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4100679 No.4100679 [Reply] [Original]

What are the best CRT to own in the year 2017?

>> No.4100681

Depends on your application

>> No.4100682

>>4100679
For what?

LaCie, Sony and NEC VGA monitors.
Meme Sony PVM and BVM monitors.

>> No.4100685

I'd like;
A consumer-grade TV (not a monitor)
Reasonably large (>20")
4:3
Preferably curved screen, although flat is fine if it doesn't have bad geometry issues
Component input
A good Japanese brand
That hasn't been thrashed out to the point of near death

>> No.4100691

>>4100682
>>4100681
>>4100685
For what else would it be? for playing retro consoles.

>> No.4100697

>>4100691
Consoles? What consoles.
Narrowed it down slightly.

>> No.4100702

>>4100679
Get a Trinitron.

>> No.4100706

>>4100697
PS2, SNES/NES, Genesis, etc.

>> No.4100709

>>4100691
I suppose it could have been for a PC or arcade cabinet but I meant more like how far away you want to sit, how much space you have etc. Do you want a little screen for your desk or do you want to VJ raves?

>> No.4100716

>>4100706
>etc
Well, it depends on how much etc but probably a consumer Trinitron with YPbPr "component" inputs and some of those new component cables for the SNES & Genesis with built in transcoders.

>> No.4100721

>>4100716
>>4100709
I'm very ignorant about this stuff, so could you be more specific with the model of the Trinitron? Also, recomendations for an arcade cabinet would be great too. I plan on building one eventually. But this one is for playing Games at a reasonable distance. Just want to make my wife happy an play some retro co-ops and my usual JRPG.

>> No.4100736

>>4100721
Just a regular consumer Trinitron from your local Craigslist equivalent or thrift store that's the right size for your space and has component inputs. I personally prefer the black ones with round tubes and speakers in the bottom but these days it's easier to find "flat screen" Wegas with component inputs. They'll be silver and have the speakers on the sides.

You should be able to easily find one for $0-$20. Save your foldin' money for that arcade project someday.

>> No.4100781

Either a Sony Trinitron or PVM/BVM or a Commodore monitor. Something with RGB SCART is preferable, though Fatmericucks never got much support for superior colours and signals.

>> No.4100785

Anything that costs 10 dollars or under on craigslist

>> No.4100795

>>4100781
If he uses a PS2 too, then SCART RGB won't cut it, YPbPr.
Even though RGB looks better, the PS2 can't do higher resolutions on RGB like it can with YPbPr. Totally a PS2 restriction.

>> No.4100796

>>4100785
>people buy huge ass 3D super HD TVs
>they buy 4k displayport 3D gsync gamying monitors
>then they turn around and go "hurr, this random TV I found with RF is okay for my S-Video/RGB compatible console"
never understood it

>inb4 hurr elitist

>> No.4100804

>>4100795
PS2 isn't retro.

>> No.4100809
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>>4100721
100s/120s are good entry level crts for retro. They're FD Wegas, standard def, 4:3, support component, s-vid, composite, and rf, and have a service menu. In good condition and properly adjusted picture quality is A+. Model # would be something like KV-27FS120 or KV-32FS100, ect with the first two numbers relating to screen size. Pic related is a 32FS120 over s-video. The step up from these models would be the FV300 series and FV310 series, which are a bit more difficult to find. The ##FV310s are usually regarded as the visually best consumer sd trinitron Sony released.

>> No.4100810

>>4100691
I'm >>4100685
It would be for SNES & N64

>> No.4100813

>>4100795
Actually, you can do 480p, 720p and 1080i with RGB (Hell, you can even do this with SCART cables) if you use a feature called sync-on-green.

Here's some more info:
http://retrorgb.com/playstation.html

Also, PS2 isn't retro but there are some PS2 games which are in 240p like ICO.

>> No.4100814

reminder that some kid on here paid $150 for a 14" CRT the other day

CRTs are trash, not desirable items, to the vast majority of everyone, and you should be paid for taking them off

>> No.4100837

>>4100814
Yes, anon. PVMs are trash that people should pay you to take off their hands. Sure.

>> No.4100868

>>4100804
What has this to do with it? We are talking about >>4100706

>>4100813
>Actually, you can do 480p, 720p and 1080i with RGB (Hell, you can even do this with SCART cables) if you use a feature called sync-on-green.
Find me a SCART TV with SoG. This is not relevant to the topic. We weren't talking about VGA displays.

>> No.4100869

>>4100814
>CRTs are trash, not desirable items, to the vast majority of everyone, and you should be paid for taking them off
Sure, give me and pay me also.

>> No.4100870

>>4100868
Because the PS2 isn't relevant on this board. You could easily make a SoG cable and pretty much any tv made after y2k will display up to 720p.

>> No.4100872
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>>4100804
>>4100813
>guys what CRT should I get
>I play PS2 too on it together with my 8.bit and 16-bit consoles

>PS2?! THAT'S NOT RETRO
>HOW DARE YOU MENTION PS2 IN /VR/

>implying people where discussion PS2 games or the console
/vr/ makes me cringe so much

>> No.4100874

>>4100870
>Because the PS2 isn't relevant on this board.
We are talking about CRTs not PS2s anon.

>You could easily make a SoG cable and pretty much any tv made after y2k will display up to 720p.
Nope. Give me one CRT TV with SCART input that will do SoG.

>> No.4100876

>>4100874
Pretty much any CRT made after y2k, you autist. It's not uncommon. Fucking hell.

>> No.4100880

>>4100876
Source? I hope you have it ready if you're going to call someone an autist.

I think you are confused here.
Because you're mixing something up. TVs don't support SoG, VGA and professional monitors do.
Maybe there are a couple of CRT TVs that have VGA input and can use a SoG signal, personally the ones I've had didn't. This is not related to SCART however.

>> No.4100883

>>4100872
Because it's going to degrade even further into a shouting match about video formats retro consoles don't even use that's why I try to answer questions like OP's quickly and as simply as possible but I may still get dragged into it.

>> No.4100885

>>4100880
Of course a yank has no clue.

>> No.4100886

>>4100870
>>4100874
>>4100876
>>4100880
Not to mention, this magical SoG TV, would it have a good tube? Would it be good for hes NES and SNES too? He isn't looking for a TV for his PS2, he's looking for a TV for he's consoles, the PS2 just happening to be one.
As you said, PS2 isn't a /vr/ topic, we aren't looking for a TV for his PS2.
Sure as Hell I know YPbPr TVs that would be and work also great out of the box with a PS2, instead of a make belief SoG TV.

Tell me again why he should get a magical SoG TV if YPbPr would work too?

>> No.4100887

>>4100885
It's 10:11AM here, pretty sure that's not the time in 'murifag land.
How is that related anyhow? A BNC monitor with RGB input has a much higher rate of accepting SoG instead of a SCART TV.

>> No.4100891

>>4100837
>>4100869
you've both misunderstood what he was saying. This board astounds me sometimes

>> No.4100893

>>4100891
don't expect modern 4chan to interpret a sentence with multiple clauses bro you're asking too much

>> No.4100895

>>4100891
I understand what he said perfectly. He just said something very stupid. Deal with it.

>> No.4100896

>>4100891
>>4100893
reminder that if your going to samefag at least try to change the way you type

>> No.4100897

>>4100896
This, the faggot made me kek

>> No.4100902

>>4100886
>Tell me again why he should get a magical SoG TV if YPbPr would work too?
Because PS2 component output is kind of garbage. With SoG you can use 480p and 4:4:4 subsampling

>> No.4100904

>>4100896
>>4100897
oh no i'm being "keked" at by people who cry samefag when getting blasted for being stupid

same people who buy crts in the 2010s and buy old plastic shit to keep around their dirty house intentionally

>> No.4100907

You need two different TVs for PS2 and actual retro consoles.

>> No.4100910

>>4100907
Or you could get any CRT monitor that can sync to 15 khz and 31 khz.

>> No.4100915

>>4100910
I don't live in a 3rd world were a 15" TV is acceptable.

>> No.4100917

>>4100902
Yes, on a proper monitor, but I doubt OP will buy extra shit to use his other consoles with a VGA monitor.

>> No.4100918

>>4100915
What do you mean?
21" inch monitors exist that are like that.

>> No.4100919

>>4100918
Link one.

>> No.4100936

>>4100883
Then tell him to go to the crt general.
>muh board integrity
You don't have to post in almost every single thread there is.

>> No.4100964

>>4100919
PVM20L5. 20", not 21" though.

>> No.4100968

>>4100964
>pvm
4:3 and 19" viewable. Don't think so, kiddo.

>> No.4100972

>>4100968
>4:3 is a problem
I think you fucked up, kiddo.
We actually prefer 4:3 here, go to >>>/v/, they love widescreens.

>> No.4100973

>>4100972
PS2 and 6thgen no, champ.

>> No.4100974

>>4100915
>he thinks only 15" PVMs and BMVs exist

>> No.4100978

>>4100973
Did you even read the thread? He will mostly use it for older consoles, just that it has to properly support PS2 too.
All PS2 games are 4:3 by default, by the way. But obviously you weren't born at the heyday of the PS2 to know that, kiddo.

>> No.4100979

>>4100978
A lot of games supported 16:9, kid. Sorry you're fucking 3rd world shithole didn't get 16:9 TVs till 2015.

>> No.4100980

>>4100979
This is relevant how?
Not only did less than half support it. There is no requirement to play in widescreen.

Using a display that only half of the games can take advantage off and the other half will suffer in one way or another seems rather retarded thing to do.

>Sorry you're fucking 3rd world shithole didn't get 16:9 TVs till 2015.
What are you so mad about? Is this some kind of SCART envy again?

>> No.4100982

>>4100980
>citeing the entire PS2 library
A lot of GOOD games had 16:9 support, child.

>> No.4100984
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>>4100982
Again, guess you didn't properly read, relevant how?
All PlayStation 1 games will suffer, most PS2 games will suffer on a widescreen CRT and your GOOD games with widescreen support don't require to be in widescreen to be enjoyable.

There is no need to get angry just because you're young and didn't experience the consoles first hand back in the day.

>> No.4100985

>>4100984
Hmm lets think kid? Think real hard. Maybe...maybe that's why I said you need two TVs? Ya. Dumb child.

>> No.4100993

>>4100985
Again, this is relevant in this thread, how?
OP pointed out he needs ONE CRT for all those applications, maybe he space restrains?

>Ya. Dumb child.
>Says the guy who misses the obvious

>> No.4100994

>>4100985
At this point just get some modern monitro with 15 khz support, SoG and widescreen.
Like Dell U2410
http://15khz.wikidot.com/

I also think there should be pro CRT widescreen monitors with SoG, maybe something by NEC, but I'm not sure.

>> No.4100996

>>4100993
he has*

>> No.4100998

>>4100993
>What are the best CRT to own in the year 2017?

I said he needed two, kid.
>>4100994
Good luck with 240p

>> No.4101001

>all those "kiddo" "child" posts like it's trying to be an insult
>all those insecure faggots
This is a 18+ board. Anyone 18+ and interest in old games can post here.
No need to be a obnoxious assole.

>> No.4101003

>>4100998
>Good luck with 240p
>15 khz support
From my understanding, it should work though?

>> No.4101004

>>4100998
>>What are the best CRT to own in the year 2017?
That's what he said, he wants to pick a CRT.
He just wants to know his options.

>I said he needed two, kid.
That's irrelevant, you can say that but that's not an argument. The discussion was about a single CRT that suits best all those applications.

>> No.4101005

>>4101003
>>4100998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo6-kA3MeIo
Not in correct aspect ratio, but switchable anyway.

>> No.4101006

>>4101003
He's literally a tryhard, you think he understands what you mean?

>> No.4101010

>>4101003
>>4101004
>>4101005
>>4101006
You tried.

>> No.4101014

>>4101010
>you
BVM-A and BVM-D series monitors.
Available in 24 and 32 inch. Crt. Widescreen. Multisync. Can sync on green.
Now you're happy?
BVM-D32E1WU for example.

>> No.4101015

The one that works and has the inputs necessary for you to play video games on. Stop jerking off over pixels, just play vidya.

>> No.4101017

>>4101014
Good job on google kid.

>> No.4101019

>>4101017
Well I'm sorry I don't know all specs of all CRT monitor lines.
At least I'm not dumb enough to claim shit like "you absolutely need two different TVs for that" .

>> No.4101021

>>4101019
You do though.You could get away with a 16:9 set.

>> No.4101023

is it still to this funking day some midcunsommer goldstar tv that a single person on ebay sells?

>> No.4101024

>>4100796
What are you on about? Composite is how they were intended to be displayed and that's all you need. Anything else is a meme.

>> No.4101395

>>4100936
He had a simple question that could be answered simply. Telling a noob to fuck off to the general doesn't bring back the thread this one pushed off.

>> No.4101546

>>4100795
>even though RGB looks better
Shut the fuck up, people need to quit saying shit like this. There is absolutely no reason anyone should use anything but component cables on their 6th gen consoles/Wii.

>> No.4101551

>>4101546
PS2 has substandard and noisy YPbPr output.

RGB is appreciably better quality for SD on that console.

>> No.4101554

>>4100685
>a good japanese brand
Weeb

>> No.4101659

>>4100796

Those $10 TVs used to cost more than double of a gshit moniotor

>> No.4101681
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4101681

The best CRT is the NEC XM29/37. They have literally every feature you could possibly desire, including multisync, multiformat, and VGA support.

>> No.4101697

>>4101554
Fuck off Jewtin ass kisser.

>> No.4101724

>>4101681
whats the dot pitch on that thing

>> No.4101726

>>4100685
go check out all the goodwill's in your area if youre an 'mericafag. If youre euro trash... then find some albanian cleaning out his apartment or something.

>> No.4101741

>>4101681
im still so fucking jealous of your find

>> No.4101747

>>4101024
What are you on about? Composite is shit compared to RGB and RGB output is how they were intended to be displayed and that's what you need. Composite SD CRT is a meme

>> No.4101750

>>4100837
>PVMs are trash that people should pay you to take off their hands. Sure
To 99 percent of the unwashed Burger public, a tube display is outdated garbage in an era of "muh flat panelz!". Garbage that dumps charge for because of the toxic CRT. Old videogame players are a tiny minority unknown to the Burger at large, so many wouldn't even look up this shit on eBay.

So, it is not unrealistic to find tube displays for free to a pittance still.

>> No.4101762

>>4100702
even those are getting expensive now

>> No.4101761

>>4101724
The MultiSync XM29 Plus

Users will notice marked improvements in overall image quality in the MultiSync XM29 Plus monitors for several reasons. First, its industry-leading, remarkably fine 0.60mm dot pitch provides the best possible display of 1024 x 768 images in this class of monitor. when combined with a new Microfilter(TM) technology CRT, the monitor delivers 20 percent better brightness and contrast than previous offerings in this category. Plus, improved dynamic beam focus capabilities enhance image sharpness up to 30 percent.

The MultiSync XM29 Plus operates at horizontal scan rates from 15, 31-64 kHz; vertical scan rates range from 40-120 Hz and incorporates a higher 60 MHz RGB bandwidth to support the display of high-resolution images.

As with all NEC Technologies MultiSync presentation monitors, the MultiSync XM29 Plus is Plug and Play-compatible and EPA EnergyStar-compliant and includes a universal power supply.

Monitor SRP
MultiSync XM29 Plus $3,295

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEC+Technologies+enhances+CRT+presentation+monitors.-a019462649

>> No.4101763

>>4101750
to 99 percent of the unwashed burger public you cannot find a PVM/BVM except luckily through recycling centers and video production companies still holding onto old stock

>> No.4101764

>>4101681
The best actually is the NEC XP37 Plus. The XM29/37 doesn't do 15khz, IIRC, only the Plus models.

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4101768

>>4100804
>N-NOT RETROOO!!

>> No.4101773

>>4100679
Those L5's. Too bad the cat was out of the bag years ago.

>> No.4101779

Apologies beforehand if this is a fucktarded question but is it possible to just rig up one of those nanao arcade displays to consoles?

>> No.4101803

>>4101750
my whore neighbour tried to sell a CRT for 3K. No joke. She's no gamer.

>> No.4101807

>>4101803
That's just someone who smoked too much crack. I would say that physical, onsite auctions are a good thing to check out too - weird shit like old tube displays can show up as they liquidate businesses and shit, and the typical in person auction "flipper" is interested in "smalls" that are easy to flip on eBay and not some 100 pound fragile thing.

>> No.4102023

Would love a BVM-D32 but a BVM-24E1WU is already at $2800 on ebay with 2 bids and 5 days left.

Apparently big money has entered our hobby

>> No.4102062

>>4102023
Before the CRT meme caught on, even those 32 inch ones were maybe $1000 and only that much because they were still useful in video production houses. The smaller ones went for literally nothing like 5-6 years ago.

Ebay used to be absolutely saturated with Megaviews coming off rental, in road cases, for dirt cheap. That coveted NEC was chump change on there 10 years ago. It's sad to think about how many were just thrown out as obsolete junk when they failed to sell for so little.

>> No.4102343

>>4100685

Sony will usually have the best geometry, since their (pre-flat) screens were cut from cylinders, while everyone else's were cut from spheres.

>> No.4102458

>>4102062
Less than 1000 D32 exist now. Prices will only go up

>> No.4102482

How good is a sony trinitron 36fv310? Some anons were saying it was the "best CRT", but I'm not so sure. Not saying I hate the TV or anything like that, but best? That's a tall order. I payed 30 for it, btw.

>> No.4102495

>>4102458
Almost $6000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PROFESSIONAL-Monitor-Model-BVM-D32E1WU-32-inch-/252858569862

You could have had one of these, any given week, for a sixth that much a few years back. They seemed to always be available on eBay back then, so it's probably not as rare as the massive 38 inch HDVS display (HDM-3830) but still uncommon as D32 was very expensive new.

>> No.4102897

>>4102495
They've gone up a little since August 2016 http://www.ebay.com/itm/BVM-D32E1WU-Ultimate-Retro-Gaming-Monitor-/112112514592

>> No.4102939

>>4102897
It's always great when a Buy it Now is way undervalued and someone jumps on it. Seller would want to kill themselves if they saw a few auctions complete.

This supports the view that most normies will undervalue a CRT, not even making a half assed effort to get top eBay dollar.

>> No.4103418

>>4102897
>>4102939
You probably would believe me if I told you I passed one up for 1/5th this price late last year.

Granted it had issues but still. Too heavy for me to transport and I had no real use for it.

>> No.4103456

>>4103418
Makes sense though, as there are some very well off people in vr who have no problem paying $6k for instant gratification on eBay, while you can still get this shit in the real world for peanuts if you dig around like that.

The weight is an issue, very true. You can easily get hurt by something that size, and palletizing, crating, and dealing with freight to sell it on eBay is a lot of work, but man for $5-6k profit it could be worth it.

>> No.4103471

>>4103456
The one I saw actually was on eBay. £200 buy it now but like I said it had issues and had to be collected from a sub-street location.

The listing was active for at least a week before it got snapped up. This rather surprised me considering its worth in spare parts even if the worst came to the worst and the tube was lunched.

>> No.4103560

>there are actually autists fighting and raging in this thread
wew


pathetic as fuck

>> No.4105508

>>4100679
A 15khz shadow mask with either RGB/Component inputs.
PVM's are stupid & Trinitrons are too sharp for 240p. If you want an image that sharp and scanlines that thick then you're better off just using a PC monitor and one of the million scanline shaders.

>> No.4105720

Anything decent (that can be actually available at ebay) under 200? I don't even pay more than that for an LCD screen.

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>>4105508
My 560tvl Profeel really doesn't have visible scanlines at all, neither is it excessively sharp in any way.

You need to stop thinking every Sony is a 1000tvl broadcast monitor which displays like an LCD with retroarch scanline filters applied.