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4066830 No.4066830 [Reply] [Original]

>literally every game that runs in high res mode performs worse
What were they thinking?

>> No.4066835

Who are you quoting?
>What were they thinking?
Who is they?

>> No.4066839
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4066839

>>4066830
>literally every game that runs in high res mode performs worse

This is literally true for any 3D hardware in existence. Obviously when you render in higher resolution you put more pressure on hardware. Why the surprise?

>> No.4066859

>>4066839

we're talking degrees here, some of those n64 titles becaome unplayable due to graphical chugging, something most pc players would never put up with

>> No.4066865

>>4066859
>something most pc players would never put up with
Most did since they didn't have $400 to spend on This Year's Latest GPU™, which made last year's GPU obsolete for this year's games.

>> No.4066874

>>4066859
Like what?

>> No.4066876

>>4066865

too bad there was only one gpu option for the n64 amirite

>> No.4066878

>>4066839
>game runs at 18fps in lowres mode
>15fps in high res mode
If the game already runs like ass, why would they include a mode that makes it even worse? For a barely noticable increase of graphical fidelity.

>> No.4066889

>>4066859
>unplayable due to graphical chugging, something most pc players would never put up with
In the 1990s, PC players weren't this dumb "pc master rice" meme and played a lot of games regardless of performance. Overpriced NVidia cards weren't the norm.

I don't think you know what "unplayable" means.

>> No.4066894

>>4066889
Kids don't know what software mode is. You're getting into advanced territory here. The OP is obviously some signposting child.

>> No.4066902

>>4066878
What games does this happen in?

>> No.4066903

>>4066876
Yes, but because it's a console every game was designed for it. It wasn't like when Voodoo 2 came out and every new game started doing multitexturing out the ass making the original Voodoo run at one quarter of the framerate of the second model.

>>4066878
>why would they include a mode that makes it even worse?
Because it was the easiest and laziest way to take advantage of the Expansion Pak. It's akin to how PS4 Pro games went down in framerate when people set the resolution higher - most developers didn't really optimize their games for it. Just a token effort.

Some games like Shadow Man, Battle for Naboo, Top Gear Overdrive, Vigilante 8, and The Infernal Machine actually were optimized for the Pak so they don't lose many frames at all in high-res. And yes, they look much much better in high-res than low-res.

Honestly if developers couldn't be fucked optimizing they should have just done what the Quake 2 port devs did, and make the Expansion Pak not give higher resolution but higher 24-bit color depth. Half of the reason N64 is blurry is because it has an ultra-aggressive post processing filter that tries to purge dither from the normal 16-bit color mode. Put the console into 24-bit color mode and there's no need for that filter, so you immediately get sharper visuals. Also, obviously, your colors become ultra good too.

>> No.4066908

>>4066903
>>4066878
There aren't many games that have a high res mode.

>> No.4066926

>>4066903
This

Also, Rogue Squadron is a lot easier to play in high res mode because you can see enemy ships from further away, and it doesn't take much of a performance hit.

Turok 2 and Perfect Dark are the big offenders when it comes to high-res mode. Those games definitely require it turned off to be enjoyable.

>> No.4066929

>>4066902
Castlevania:LoD, Turok 2, Perfect Dark for starters

>> No.4066949

>>4066894
>signposting

phoneposter detected

>> No.4066959

>>4066949
It auto corrected. Fuck off.

>> No.4066967

>>4066959
You first phoneposting child.

>> No.4066972
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4066972

>>4066967
I'm on desktop, kiddo

>> No.4067016

>>4066830
>literally true of every system ever
>posts about it
What was he thinking?

>>4066835
He's quoting the god of last summer. You wouldn't get it. Before your time.

>> No.4067017

>>4067016
Ok but who are you quoting?

>> No.4067023

>>4067017
>didn't use quotes
>but who are you quoting

ITT failed memes

>> No.4067024

They ensured the existence of Perfect Dark.

>> No.4067031

>>4067023
I just want to know who you're quoting, new friend?

>> No.4067041 [DELETED] 

>>4067031
>new friend
been here longer than youve been alive kiddo, HAHAHAHA

how's summer

>> No.4067048

>>4066865
I think this post single handedly convinced me that pc gaming is a meme

>> No.4067061

>>4067041
Summer has been fine. So who were quoting? Sorry if I missed it.
>>4067048
Can you describe to me how something can be in the state of meme?

>> No.4067063 [DELETED] 

>>4067061
>So who were quoting?

Youve been talking to an imposter this entire time :>)

luv fucking around with autists, holy kek

>> No.4067068

>>4067063
I don't understand? You've been intentionally posting inferior quality posts as a gag?

>> No.4067082

>>4067063
>luv fucking around with autists, holy kek
Look, it's babby's first day on 4chin.

>> No.4067087
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>>4067061
>mfw reading this fag's posts and realizing that this was me on /b/ c.2006
Should I just end it now? Not like I'll ever complete my Saturn collection, either.

>> No.4067093

>>4067087
I still don't get why your kind is posting here.

>> No.4067098

Rayman 2 and Re-Volt play great in high-res mode, just off the top of my head. The Tony Hawk games do too though the N64 versions are best avoided otherwise. Don't let Perfect Dark and Turok convince you it couldn't be done.

>> No.4067104

Do N64 emulators support Expansion Pack modes?

>> No.4067107

>>4067104
They'll probably report an expansion pack to be present by default.

>> No.4067108

Wait, so, should I not use the expansion pack with games like MKart64, etc, because they run better on the jumbo pack?

>> No.4067431

>>4067108
Mario Kart doesn't even use the Expansion Pak.

Even if it did, there's always a setting to disable high-rez mode.

>> No.4067451

>>4066830
So Perfect Dark and DK64 required it to play the full game

For the games that this was optional for, did any receive an objective improvement without drawbacks?

>> No.4067459

>>4066972
Desktop doesn't have autocorrect, idiot.

>> No.4067467

>>4067459
Actually chrome does have an autocorrect feature and I'm sure other browsers do as well. Sage because off topic.

>> No.4067479

>>4067467
No it doesn't

t. using chrome as we speak.

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4067484

>>4067479
How 2 chromee

>> No.4067486

>>4067479
>t.
Underage idiot.

>> No.4067489

>>4067484
Oh, so you have to physically change it to a different word? Where's that AUTOcorrect?

>> No.4067494

>>4067104
lols

>> No.4067495

hybrid heaven is unplayable in hi res

road rash is perfectly fine

>> No.4067501

>>4067489
Oh you're a tablet baby and never encountered a word processing software that needed to be right clocked to auto correct. It's a hold over from older versions of word, champ.

>> No.4067509

Any opinions on overclocking to play perfect dark zero?

>> No.4067510

>>4067501
Yes, you need to PHYSICALLY RIGHT CLICK IT TO CHANGE THE WORD. You PHYSICALLY AND INTENTIONALLY changed the word to signposting. It wasn't AUTOMATICALLY corrected, you MANUALLY changed it to the wrong word.

>> No.4067514

>>4067510
Look at this tablet baby.

>> No.4067520

>>4067510
fucking kek, IM IN TEARS!!!

>> No.4067530

>>4067514
>This butthurt about being called out on being a phone poster

You realize this is an anonymous image board and you can just stop replying, right?

>>4067520
I know, right

>> No.4067540

>>4067514
kek, just stop

>> No.4067551

>>4067520
>>4067530
>>4067540
>kek
Look at these tablet babbies.

>> No.4067557

mods please delete this thread and ban everyone

>> No.4067567

>>4067551
Stop derailing the thread, phoneposter.

>> No.4067569

>>4067557
>mods
there too busy shitposting on the internet pranks thread

>> No.4067570

>>4067567
What's the hierarchy you kids have? Are your tablets better than phones or?

>> No.4067571

>>4067104
You can set the memory to be 4 or 8 MB, that's about it, I think

>> No.4067648

>>4067017
a retarded summerfag

>> No.4067776

I can't be bothered to dig out my N64 to check. Is Turok 2 fully functional without the pak? How much of an FPS improvement do you get without it?

>> No.4067780

>>4067776
You don't need to remove the Pak, just set the game to low-res mode for the same thing.

Quite honestly the framerate still isn't smooth in low-res. They went a bit crazy with the graphics.

>> No.4067783

>>4067780
You can get stills of Turok 2 that look Playstation 2 launch title quality. Of course, in movement, and when you get a good look at the draw distance, it is clearly an N64 game. The frame rate is really, really bad.

>> No.4067784

>>4067557
This please holy shit, I just wanted to see some comparisons between 64 games using and not using the expansion port and there's a page-worth of retarded semantic circlejerking

>> No.4067798
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4067798

>>4067784
you got it bro

native framebuffer captures

high res mode

>> No.4067801
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4067801

>>4067784
>>4067798
low res mode

>> No.4067802

What a shitshow of a thread

>> No.4067809
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4067809

perfect dark uses expansion pak either way but whatever

low res mode

>> No.4067831

>>4067809
I forget, do you need to be in high-res mode to do widescreen mode?

>> No.4067843

>>4066902
>>4066929
I think it also happens in Hybrid Heaven.

>> No.4067850

>>4067783
>>4067798
>>4067801
>>4067776
>>4066926

If you really care about playing Turok 2 with a high (and consistent) framerate and resolution than you shouldn't play the N64 version anyway because there are more options in that regard for the PC version anyway, both older and the recently re-released digital version.

Spoilered because I don't want to put up with those "Not retrooo! Go back to /v/!!" cunts.

I still enjoy the N64 version myself because I don't care that much about framerate if it's from older 3D games.

>>4066830
Not every game that uses the expansion pak used it to increase the resolution. Some of them just increased the drawing distance or made stages load faster.

>> No.4067891
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4067891

>>4067809
high res mode

>> No.4067892

>>4067850
The only good reason for playing the N64 version of Turok 2 until recently is because the original PC version had inferior lighting effects. And the lighting in Turok 2's N64 version was sexy, so the PC version felt a bit limp there.

Though of course the new re-release would have better than what the N64 did.

>> No.4067894

>>4067891
PD's widescreen is stretched widescreen then?

>> No.4067895

>>4067451
bump

>> No.4067897

what the fuck?!

>> No.4067905

>>4067894
or is the normal format squished????

>> No.4067913

>>4067894
>>4067905
The normal format is like that. This isn't widescreen. PD's widescreen doesn't change resolution anyway, only FOV.

The N64 will just scale the picture vertically so it doesn't appear squished.

>> No.4067916
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4067916

>>4067894
>>4067905

>> No.4068154

>>4067570
It's funny you keep saying I post from a tablet when I've already proven you don't know how browsers work.

>> No.4068210

>>4067798
>>4067801
>>4067809
>>4067891
On-topic posts are best posts, thanks anon.

>> No.4068230

>>4066926
Perfect Dark requires the 360 version to be enjoyable.

God it runs so bad on n64 even at low res.

>> No.4068245
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4068245

>>4068230
I remember how there were children screaming on here not so long ago that Goldeneye ran at 10 FPS "on a good day" (even though that could only be said to be partially true on exactly one level).

So excuse me while I take people's complaints about N64 games with a grain of salt. I'm sooner just to regard it as millennials whining.

>> No.4068249

>>4068245
Goldeneye runs fine enough to be able to aim. Only the citadel is laggy.

However with all the effects in perfect dark(and bodies staying around for a long time) the framerate can go to shit fast.

Besides, the 360 version has 60fps, framerate is a priority in a shooter.

>> No.4068263

>>4068249
360 version would be good if not for the very imprecise analogue controls

>> No.4068285

>>4067570
tablets and phones are both equally bad
but not as bad as arguing on 4chan

>> No.4068607

>>4068245
If you were born after 1984 you're a Millennial.

>> No.4068642

>>4066874
Hybrid Heaven
DK 64 Widescreen Mode

Those come to mind. Use google you fucking faggot.