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4059352 No.4059352 [Reply] [Original]

It's time to settle this once and for all.
http://www.strawpoll.me/13191426

>> No.4059357

>>4059352
>not tonguing the back of your console and interpreting the game through the taste of electric signals
anything less is an inauthentic experience

>> No.4059358

>>4059352
>Component/RGB
>SCART as a video standard
Underage the thread.

>> No.4059359

RF < Composite < S-Video < Component < RGB < VGA

>> No.4059361

>>4059359
VGA is RGB dumbass.

>> No.4059365

>>4059361
VGA with separate Horizontal and Vertical sync, you fucking faggot.

>> No.4059369

>>4059365
Yes RGB H/V, champ.

>> No.4059370

>>4059358
Okay, gramps, what's wrong with me putting component/RGB as an option.

>> No.4059375

>>4059370
Some autistic shit about YUV being very slightly worse quality than RGB but still.
>SCART as a video standard
>Component as a video standard

>> No.4059382

>>4059375
None of that made any sense but whatever you say, pops.

>> No.4059383

>>4059370
>>4059375
Component isn't RGB. It also has much higher bandwidth than RGB S. Someone saying RGB is less or more quality is a fucking retard.

>> No.4059395

>>4059383
Hence, component/RGB. I never said they were the same thing. Should I have made RGB and YCbCr two separate options to please you, gramps?

>> No.4059402

>>4059395
Component doesn't carry RGB whether you're talking about analogue or digital.

The common misnomer is to call it RGB because the cables are red, blue and, green.

>> No.4059449

>>4059352
RBG Scart into a Framemeister

>> No.4059453

Sorry, but the composite being the only cable shown with the audio cables triggers my autism. You'll need the red and white for either s-video or component as well, so why only show them for composite? Either show it for all options, or just show the yellow cable for composite.

>> No.4059457

>>4059449
>Framemeister
>scart
Good luck with that.

>> No.4059468

Where's DVI? It's from 1999 so it's retro.

>> No.4059513

>>4059352
>no RF
dropped

>> No.4059520

I use RGB scart (as it is the best option on my Trinitrons) on SMS, SMD,SS, SDC, SNES, N64, PS1/2, Wii, Xbox,NG-AES, NG-CMVS and I use composite/rca on FC and PCE. I have not bothered modding the last two as they look perfectly fine on a decent screen. By my standards. Either way, gaming is about having a good time. If you are unable to play a game because a modded system upscaled with a framemeister is better than s-video, you are a tech collector first and retrogamer last. Can I get an amen?

>> No.4059601

>>4059395
YCpCr is digital you buffoon, component video cables carry analog signal and thus YPbPr.

>> No.4059634

>>4059457
Huh? It's dead easy. Had to buy a Euroscart to Framemeister adapter but it works like a charm.

>> No.4059636

>>4059634
>adapters

>> No.4059793

>>4059352
YPbPr = RGB > S-Video > Composite > RF

The only exception to this rule is the Famicom, Composite is best for the Famicom and anything else just looks wrong.

>> No.4059805

RF is the way the developers intended you to play.

>> No.4059808

>>4059352
Where's RF

>> No.4059813

>>4059352

RGB SCART into an OSSC for old consoles.

Component cables for 2001+ era consoles without HDMI into an OSSC.

>> No.4059868

>>4059352
>a retarded summerfag poll is going to settle this once and for all
>no RF as the developers originally intended long before OP was born
lel

>> No.4059986

I voted s-video and my TV does have component it's just most things look perfect in s-video so i dont even give a shit

>> No.4059994

Composite is perfectly fine. Anyone who disagrees is a faggot that's more interested in jerking off to pixels than playing video games.

>> No.4060051

>>4059457
Wut

>> No.4060079

>>4059994
In the same way it's perfectly fine to have vision problems and not wear glasses.
S-video is much better and easily available for many systems. You're either a nostalgiafag or too lazy to buy a cable.

>> No.4060095

>>4060079
Yeah, S-Video is the bare minimum if you have any standards.

>> No.4060176

>>4060095
I personally wouldn't go above s-video RGB is too clean for my tastes. with s-video you get a nice sharp picture and nice dithering

>> No.4060181

>>4059352
Composite, because I actually play games and don't really care about how it looks and RF is a pain the ass to switch consoles with.

>> No.4060193

>>4059352
Depends on the console.

You don't have that option, seems like you are a newfag

>> No.4060195

>>4060181
nobody uses composite on a console with support for s-video or rgb

>> No.4060202

>>4059358
>>4059375
>>4059383
>>4059395
>>4059402
>>4059601
RGB is component, but generally YPbPr is considered component these days when not specified.
RGB/S has higher bandwidth than YPbPr, RGB/S looks better then YPbPr.

>> No.4060207

>>4059352
>>4059358
SCART is a connector, it can either carry Composite, S-Video or Component (RGB, YPbPr).

The poll is literally like:
>Should we take a...
>Bus
>Taxi
>Train
>A motorised vehicle
SCART being the last one that could be any of the above.

>> No.4060209

>>4059994
>>4060079
>>4060095
>>4060176
>>4060181
There is no reason to not use S-Video or Component when the console supports it, it's there for a reason.
Composite for a Component capable console is like jerking off to composite artifacting and not actually playing the game.

>> No.4060246

um. how do i use a 4piece cable that is the three composite & a svideo cable? do i plug all 4 in, or just the svideo and the 2 audios (for the best output)?

>> No.4060260

>>4060246
>or just the svideo and the 2 audios (for the best output)?
that's the correct answer

>> No.4060261

>>4059352
I expected more SCART users but that's probably just me being a eurofag not realizing I'm on an (more or less) american site where it wasn't as common as it was here. Ah well, can't say I'm disappointed.

>>4060207
I'm not OP but I believe OP meant the carrier of video signals and not so much the video quality itself.

>> No.4060271

>>4060261
>I'm not OP but I believe OP meant the carrier of video signals and not so much the video quality itself.
No, he didn't mean anything, because he is an ignorant dumbass.

You can do all of the above on SCART, this has nothing to do with comments like "how the developer intended" or "the crisper, the better".
He obviously fucked up, this chart does not make sense for what it's worth.

>> No.4060275

>>4060261
/vr/ is 90% american, nothing weird

>> No.4060279

>>4059636
passive adapters, yes
but it's not like an idiot like you would know the difference

>> No.4060375

>>4060275
>90% American

>> No.4060403

>>4060375
problem? check the global stats for 4chan

>> No.4060406

>>4060403
Last time I checked they were around 50%.

>> No.4060409

Fixed your poll

http://www.strawpoll.me/13195086

>> No.4060414

>>4060409
You can only select one.
If you can only select one, then what consoles are we talking about?

>> No.4060424

>>4059352
RGB or Component is dogshit for games. It's great for watching videos like VHS/DVD where you want that kind of clarity. But it'll just make games look terrible and overly pixelated and have worse colors without proper blends.
S-video or Composite are both better choices for that reason. S-video is really the closest you want for sharpness with retrogames. The only people who whine about needing RGB are hipsters who need ultrasharp pixels that make games look extra terrible because they've never played them before.

>> No.4060429

>>4060424
>VHS
>RGB/Component
literary sub composite resolution medium, fuck off with your shitty bait

>> No.4060432

>>4060424
>hei this retro console supports Component/RGB and those game also support nice resolutions!
>FUU! STOP STOP STOP, COMPOSITE ONLY
you do know how dumb you sound?

>> No.4060438

>>4060424
I really can't tell the difference in the game's own graphics on my 22" Trinitron with Composite over RGB.
RGB just looks slightly clearer and the colours look better, things like waterfalls and transparent surfaces still look like they should with RGB, instead of being a pixel grid.

This has more to do with using a CRT then Composite.

Rule of thumb still stands, you use the best output that the console has. We aren't talking about RGB modded NES here.

>> No.4060439

>>4060438
No.

>> No.4060446

>>4060414
Just the picture, m8. Most consoles support all of those.

>> No.4060460

>>4060438
This.
RGB mods for the Famicom just look wrong compared to Composite.

I think one of the few exceptions to this rule are playing your Nintendo 64 games in RGB, they are natively in RGB, but Nintendo chose to leave out RGB output for some reason so you have to resort to modding to restore RGB output for the Nintendo 64, and Nintendo 64 games in RGB looks downright amazing.

But RGB and Component still look miles better than RF, Composite or even S-Video, even on a CRT.
If your TV supports RGB and/or Component without any frills, then you have no excuse on sticking with RF, Composite and/or S-Video, except if it's something like the Famicom or if the console doesn't output RGB unless it's modded and you haven't modded it yet.

My D32E1WU uses RGB or Component for most of my consoles, I rarely use Composite, S-Video and/or RF unless it's something like the Famicom.

>> No.4060463

>>4060460
Which retro consoles support component?

>> No.4060479

>>4060463
None, but the HD Retrovision cables are basically RGB cables with built-in RGB-to-YPbPr converters and has Component RCA outputs for HDTVs which handle 240p well and for CRTs with Component inputs and no RGB inputs.
There are HD Retrovision Component cables for the Super Famicom (which also work very well with an RGB-modded Nintendo 64 and a PAL GameCube), the Model 2 Sega Genesis (which also has adapters to make it compatible with the Model 1 Sega Genesis, the Sega Saturn, the Neo Geo AES and Neo Geo CD, as well as an upcoming one for the PSOne), they also have an upcoming Sega Dreamcast Component cable, which outputs 240p and 480i for standard CRT TVs and for games which don't support VGA, as well as 480p for games that support VGA.

>> No.4060501

VGA on a CRT monitor with emulators. Hardware cucks get fucked.

>> No.4060540

How do I RGB mod a PC-FX? The only platform I have to use with S-video.

>> No.4060556

>>4060540
Apparently you can use a very specific combination of PC-98 CanBe with PC-FXGA to switch video outputs, otherwise it doesn't seem possible.

>> No.4060590

>>4060439
Yes.

Else, prove me wrong.

>> No.4060591

>>4060446
Not _most_ of /vr/ consoles

>> No.4060698

i emulate.

>> No.4060736

>>4060698
I ejaculate

>> No.4060743
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4060743

>>4060424
I use SVideo filter.

>> No.4060816

>>4059352
>It's another "americlaps don't accept reality" thread
S-stop please

>> No.4060928

I don't quite understand the question.
I just use whatever is available and scart was most of the time just a composite adapter so the wires wouldn't hang out of the front of the tv.

>> No.4061093

>>4060195
>>4060209
I do because My crt only supports composite.

>> No.4061098

>>4059352
Fucking who cares? Just play the fucking game. If you like crisp, knock yourself out RGB. If you like RF, cool whatever. Emulation? Sure!
These threads are about the most useless ones on /vr/

>> No.4061249

It depends on what the fuck you're using, retards.
If it's a CRT comsumer television, Composite video.
If it's an older CRT consumer television, Frequency Modulation.
If it's a Dell E773C CRT monitor, RGBHV.
If it's a Sony Trinitron PVM, RGBS.
If it's a modern LCD HDTV, Component video and above.
I will say that S-video looks good on universally everything.

>> No.4061387
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4061387

VGA

>> No.4061591

>>4061249
>If it's a CRT comsumer television, Composite video.

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4061594

>>4061249
>implying there are no consumer CRTs with S-Video or Component in the US
>implying that there are no consumer CRTs which support RGB via SCART anywhere

>> No.4061595

>>4059369
RGBHV =/= RGB, retard.

>> No.4061596

>>4061594
Please don't use Eboshi-sama to shitpost, tripfag.

>> No.4061608

>>4061596
I'm not shitposting and the guys at /mu/ love it.
Also, Smug Eboshi is one of my regular pics for posting.

>> No.4061610

>>4061595
The only difference is the sync format, which doesn't affect image quality in the slightest.

>> No.4061635

>>4061608
Yeah, well, stop using Eboshi-sama. You and /mu/ are not worth to her.

>> No.4062268

>>4060590
No. I don't need to prove you wrong, reality has done that already.

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4062273

>my TV doesn't even have S-video

>> No.4062285

I use RGB over SCART because it's the cheapest and most convenient connection where I live

>> No.4062807

RGB over SCART for /vr/ consoles.
VGA for old PCs.

>> No.4062826

>>4059352
In terms of "optimum" yes, use Component or S-video.

In terms of easy functionality use fucking composite. There are diminishing returns on analog signals, especially since the actual output from old consoles was designed for RF/Composite anyways.

You could spend weeks of your life seeking out teh "best" of retro gaming. PVM's, RGB mods, making custom cables.

You have to make a choice whether you want to do that as your hobby, or playing video games as your hobby.

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4062863

>>4061608

>> No.4065109
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4065109

composite to SCART converter

>> No.4065172

>>4065109
It's an adaptor not a converter you bony bell-end