/stg/ ~ Shmups Thread: Shooting Games Never Die

[Anonymous No.4050039]

Hello and welcome to /stg/, a thread about the 2D scrolling shooter genre.

Discuss your…
>favorite shmups
>recent acquisitions
>latest accomplishments

Previous thread:
>>/vr/thread/S3728067

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Current happenings:
Raiden V - Director's Cut to come out for PC/PS4.
http://gematsu.com/2017/05/raiden-v-directors-cut-announced-ps4-pc

M2 ShotTriGgers presents their next remaster... Ketsui!
http://www.4gamer.net/games/379/G037921/20170429007/

Degica to localize Castle of Shikigami for Steam.
http://nichegamer.com/2017/05/08/castle-of-shikigami-finally-getting-localized-via-degica/

G.Rev will be releasing Senko no Ronde DUO for PC/PS4:
http://www.dualshockers.com/senko-no-ronde-2-coming-west/

Taito offering up Darius 30th Anniversary for PS4:
http://www.play-asia.com/darius-30th-anniversary-edition-famitsu-dx-pack-3d-crystal-set

Konami put Thunder Cross on the PS4 store:
https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/25133864.html

New DOJBL world record set by WY:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS_FtpqJ9vc

New Raiden DX OLC superplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXH2rg3IezM

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Miscellaneous:
Want to be a shmup superplayer? Read Gus' "On Going Full Shmup":
https://pastebin.com/3v6hnDn4

Shmup Collection containing over 9000 MAME romsets:
https://www.mediafire.com/?48812jiax8m1c#nz0227tzb9zor

Decide the greatest shmup developer of all time here:
http://strawpoll.me/4496713

Talk with other shmup players in real-time via Discord:
https://discord.me/shmups

List of the hardest clears, ranked in order of difficulty:
http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7

Play Twinkle Star Sprites online against other people here:
https://www.fightcade.com/game/twinspri

Livestream aggregator for when you wanna watch some shmups:
http://stgrillz.appspot.com

Highscore tables for several shmups. Post your scores!!
http://www.restartsyndrome.com/boardlist.php

[Anonymous No.4050045]

[Anonymous No.4050049]

>>4050045
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4050064]

>>4050039
>Read Gus' "On Going Full Shmup":
>taking that pretentious one-trick pony seriously
Funny how he talks shit about casuals, yet ends up with playing only a single game and that's it

[Anonymous No.4050069]

>>4050064
You've actually READ all that shit? I'm actually amazed.

[Anonymous No.4050072]

Last and most harmful are the pretenders, or, to be more specific, the members of the Touhou is >Harder crew and their associated acts. These players, crowned by the former 2 groups as the best on the board have a foolish approach towards shmups, refusing to play a game longer than 2 weeks at a time and treating STGT, an utter bastardization of how shmups are designed to be played as a worthwhile venture.
LOOOL you hear that, toughoefags?

[Anonymous No.4050073]

>>4050064
Being a master of one game > being a mediocre jack-of-all-trades

[Anonymous No.4050078]

>Last and most harmful are the pretenders, or, to be more specific, the members of the Touhou is Harder crew and their associated acts. These players, crowned by the former 2 groups as the best on the board have a foolish approach towards shmups, refusing to play a game longer than 2 weeks at a time and treating STGT, an utter bastardization of how shmups are designed to be played as a worthwhile venture.
LOOOL you hear that, toughoefags?

[Anonymous No.4050082]

I think shmups are the finer genre of video games, if only because they encapsulate what makes a game so good.

>often times they barely have a story, so the "plot" is literally you having fun while mowing down enemies and fighting tough bosses
>multiple difficulty modes for replayability
>no quick time events or cutscenes, so your skill is put on full display without crutches
>can very graphically among generations, but the important part is that the graphics are never excessive. They do their job without wasting money or taking attention away from the game

I'd say it's a lovely genre.

[Anonymous No.4050086]

>>4050064
>yet ends up with playing only a single game and that's it
Wrong he played 3, espgaluda 2 to high level, mushi futari ultra 1.5 counterstop and 1.01 ultra WR and clear. These achievements take MUCH more than a bunch of shitty 1ccs in lots of games.

[Anonymous No.4050091]

>>4050086
Impressive stuff.

[Anonymous No.4050095]

>>4050073
t. one-trick pony without mastered any game

[Anonymous No.4050096]

>>4050086
>espgaluda 2 to high level
getting 50% of the wr is not "high level"

>mushi futari ultra 1.5 counterstop and 1.01 ultra WR and clear
Those two are one and the same game basically. And it's a "WR" in a game nobody plays.

If he really would like this genre, he certainly would play more than just a single game

[Anonymous No.4050102]

>>4050073
Too bad he isn't master of his game. He can't even clear it with extra lives.

[Anonymous No.4050110]

Can we all agree that Ikaruga is the magnum opus of shmups?

[Anonymous No.4050113]

Futari 1.01 is the version with the undodgeable patterns, am I right?

[Anonymous No.4050114]

>>4050110
THIS. Ikaruga is the magnum opus of shmups.

[Anonymous No.4050118]

>>4050110
>>4050114
Try not being so obvious.

[Anonymous No.4050126]

>>4050049

[Anonymous No.4050127]

>>4050118
Fuck you, I just wanna discuss my favorite shmup in piece.

[Anonymous No.4050128]

>>4050110
no

[Anonymous No.4050129]

>>4050078
>shit-talking Touhou Is Harder fags = Touhou is bad

[Anonymous No.4050132]

>>4050129
Oh I realized Touhou is Harder is some sort of name entry at the STGT.

[Anonymous No.4050136]

>>4050127
This thread is for good shmups, though.

[Anonymous No.4050141]

>>4050136
[Censored] is a great shmup, [censored] is my favorite shmup of all time!

[Anonymous No.4050143]

>>4050128
>posting the worst of the YGW Trilogy
Cum on son...

[Anonymous No.4050145]

>>4050039
i see a swastika

[Anonymous No.4050146]

>>4050143
>posting the worst of the YGW Trilogy

[Anonymous No.4050150]

>>4050146
>not posting the worse of the YGW Trilogy

[Anonymous No.4050159]

Every YGW game after batrider sucked balls.

[Anonymous No.4050161]

To be frank I haven't played a shmups in years, I only come here to shit on your stupid thread.

[Anonymous No.4050162]

>>4050159
I liked Bakraid desu.

[Anonymous No.4050163]

>>4050162
Alright fine, every game after bakraid.

[Anonymous No.4050164]

>>4050159
I like Pork, and Ibara isn't completely terrible. Pink Sweets is fun to fuck around in, but it's complete shit if you're playing it seriously.

[Anonymous No.4050170]

>>4050164
Pink Sweets was consciously designed to be impossible.

[Anonymous No.4050173]

>>4050164
Pink Sweets was deliberately designed to be impossible.

[Anonymous No.4050175]

>>4050170
>>4050173
True, but Missile-Bitch and Lightning-Bitch are fun to play until the game shits on my parade.

[Anonymous No.4050286]

1cc'd Gaiares the other day, that game was a bitch. Anyother good R-Type/Gradius clones I should check out?

[Anonymous No.4050386]

>>4050286
Last Resort and Pulstar are nice R-Type style games.

[Anonymous No.4050443]

I'm looking for a game, I'm sure it was on PS1, you played as a helicopter and the gimmick is that you could rotate on your own axis.

[Anonymous No.4050451]

>>4050443
That should be either Under Defeat, or Zero Gunner 2.
Both are on Dreamcast though.

[Anonymous No.4050458]

>>4050443
Zero Gunner 2? Under Defeat? that's dreamcast tho

[Anonymous No.4050480]

>>4050451
>>4050458
The wiki article for Under Defeat mentions an older game, Twin Cobra that had a ps1 port but I looked at some footage and on Twin Cobra you can't rotate

[Anonymous No.4050485]

>>4050480
Only other game with a semi-rotate helicopter gimmick I know of is Air Duel by Irem. That's only for arcades though

[Anonymous No.4050998]

>>4050114
Ikaruga is fine and all, but Silvergun is 100x better, especially in the boss design department.

[Anonymous No.4051008]

>>4050164
>and Ibara isn't completely terrible.
ibaras fantastic you dumb cunt, not ygws fault that westies are plebs.

[Anonymous No.4051014]

>>4050096
still with this bullshit argument, listen cunt he's better than your cookie jar ass now shut your oral gape up.

[Anonymous No.4051017]

>>4050096
>Those two are one and the same game basically.
gee logic this bad wonder who's behind this post?

[Anonymous No.4051248]

>>4050039
>stg
lmao.
Also - friendly reminder that bullet hell and waifus killed the entire genre.

[Anonymous No.4051281]

>>4050443
desert strike

[Anonymous No.4051283]

oh great another stupid fucking general

[Anonymous No.4051837]

>>4050998
>>4050118
So any post praising Ikaruga gets deleted on sight?

[Anonymous No.4051939]

>>4051837
Yep. The falseflag trolls ruined it for legit fans.

[Anonymous No.4051962]

>>4051837
I'm assuming only the one(s) that goes about how Ikaruga is the best thing since sliced bread.

[Anonymous No.4052000]

>>4051962
But Ikaruga is the best game ever made.

[Anonymous No.4052005]

>>4052000
trips of truth

[Anonymous No.4052007]

>>4052000
Enjoy your ban.

[Anonymous No.4052048]

Janitor is a fucking touhoufag

[Anonymous No.4052078]

>>4052048
Touhou is more retro than Ikaruga.

[Anonymous No.4052136]

Touou is crap, stop playing that garbage.

[Anonymous No.4052330]

>>4050143
bakraid is worse though

[Anonymous No.4052368]

>>4052330
batrider > bakraid > gayregga

[Anonymous No.4052389]

>>4052368
nah
garegga > batrider > bakraid

[Anonymous No.4052439]

>>4052389

[Anonymous No.4052492]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q91_znXE0RY

come watch a shmup god in progress

[Anonymous No.4052496]

>>4052492
>gus
>shmup god
The only thing he is a god at is attention whoring. Stupid americunt.

[Anonymous No.4052639]

>>4051281
Desert Strike wasn't on PS1 but a a couple of sequels did. Sadly they don't look like the game I'm trying to remember

[Anonymous No.4052731]

>>4052048
Nah, he's just tired of falseflagging shitposters.

[Anonymous No.4052739]

>>4052731
I wasn't falseflagging though. The (((Game))) just happens to be my favorite.

[Anonymous No.4052861]

Is /vr/ the most paranoid board?

[Anonymous No.4053747]

>>4050443
Maybe the green helicopter in Do/donpachi which let you aim your shot direction?

[Anonymous No.4054165]

What's a good game for attention-poor sods of today?

[Anonymous No.4054374]

>>4054165
1 loop of dragon blaze is 10-12 minutes long, psikyo games are short in general.

[Anonymous No.4054394]

>>4054165
Look into caravan shooters.

[Anonymous No.4054413]

Is there a shmup were you play as a bomber?

[Anonymous No.4054417]

>>4054413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZjPIAXbM6I

[Anonymous No.4054418]

>>4054413
Well you can bomb land targets in Xevious, Twinbee

[Anonymous No.4054425]

>can 1CC PCB and IN
>get my shit pushed in on easy by stage 7 in Zero Wing

Why are retro shmups so much harder and how do I get good? By stage 8 I get killed within seconds, you really need to hold onto your powerups huh? I can beat most retro platformers and action games just fine, it's just shmups that fuck me but I do love them and want to be good

[Anonymous No.4054427]

>>4054425
you don't need to 1cc checkpoint shooters
zero wing ain't even a good game

[Anonymous No.4054432]

>>4054427
I'm not trying to 1CC it, and the music is great at least

I forgot to mention I'm even playing on easy which is the default, if you die and lose your powerups for stage 8 you're fucked, they spam those homing missiles at you faster than you can move

[Anonymous No.4054437]

>>4054432
Why would you play Zero Wing of all things? Why not R-Type or Gradius?

[Anonymous No.4054438]

I think the only retro shmup I've actually beat is Steel Empire and that game is easy

[Anonymous No.4054439]

>>4054437
Played some Gradius on an emulator and it rekt me, I do own Life Force but can never make it past the sun stage when those solar flares come up at you. It's like shit right next to you pops up so fast you have almost no time to react and the ships themselves are sluggish, these games make Touhou look like a fuckin joke

I put some time in on Recca and can actually make it close to the end on that one, I thought people said that game is very hard but I find it easier than something like Life Force or even Twinbee

[Anonymous No.4054443]

>>4054439
lulz just hang in there and you will eventually snowball and start beating games left and right

[Anonymous No.4054448]

>>4054417
That is interesting but looks kind of dull.
Too bad it was never finished

>>4054418
They're not very indepth but its something.

[Anonymous No.4054502]

>>4054439
you need a route. old games and especially horis can be very memory heavy, but once you memorised them, they are easier than danmaku to 1cc consistently. also, it's easier to beat a checkpoint shmup without dying at all, since recovery can be almost impossible.
if you can't route the game intentionally, try beating the game with states, then do it again and again until you are consistent enough.

[Anonymous No.4054532]

>>4054425
There are some neato difficulty lists in the shmup forum, use those and play the 1-10pts range games

[Anonymous No.4054547]

>>4054439

Lifeforce on NES was just fuckin mean. A much better home version of that game is Salamander for PCEngine.
Way more balanced and doesn't just keep punishing you until you memorize one obscure route.

[Anonymous No.4054749]

>>4054502
>they are easier than danmaku to 1cc consistently
what? no they aren't. danmaku shmups don't have punishing deaths or any actual level designs

[Anonymous No.4054750]

>>4054749
Y'all niggas think collidable walls are the only kind of level design

[Anonymous No.4054753]

>>4054502
>try beating the game with states
Don't. Do. That.

[Anonymous No.4054762]

>Scalpers bought out every copy of Darius 30th Anniversary and are charging $450 fucking dollars
>It's just the first Darius and 7 audio disks

Literally for what fucking purpose. It would have taken them maybe an extra day to put the other installments on the game disk.

[Anonymous No.4054769]

>>4054762
That's fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.4054772]

>>4054749
loosing resources is punishing enough. are you that tard who thinks credit feeding equals beating a game with checkpoints? it's a recovery practice at best.
>>4054753
obviously you shouldn't save every 5 seconds hoping to get lucky, you won't learn much this way. it is important to get consistent.

[Anonymous No.4054778]

>>4054762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jCQYz8C1A

[Anonymous No.4054780]

So....is this thread related to /shmupg/ ?
First time I notice it in /vr/

My favorite shmup is still Fantasy Zone and I'm still a piece of shit unable to survive the 5th level.

[Anonymous No.4054783]

>>4054778
>"DEH-RI-AS GUY-DAN is my favorite"
Jesus fuck. And the mug and light-up block still don't justify the price.

[Anonymous No.4054785]

>>4054783
If you Gaiden the other way then you're a total fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.4054789]

>>4054780
>So....is this thread related to /shmupg/ ?
Sort of. Shmup generals started here first, then a lot of the posters migrated to /vg/ instead.

[Anonymous No.4054791]

>>4054785
>If you Gaiden the other way
Are you okay Anon? Are you having a stroke?

[Anonymous No.4054792]

>>4054780
No you should sage these threads they're just made by shitposters trying to get the board to accept "STG" as an actual thing and not tryhard bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4054798]

>>4054789
>>4054792
Thanks for the infos, I didn't know.

[Anonymous No.4054801]

>>4054792
Sage does nothing.

[Anonymous No.4054809]

My favorite game is Dong Dong Patchy Die Old Jew

[Anonymous No.4054818]

>>4054792
>it's that anon that gets mad when you call beat 'em ups belt scrollers and shmups STGs

[Anonymous No.4054819]

>>4054502
>but once you memorised them, they are easier than danmaku to 1cc consistently.
Top kek what a load of bollocks, go 1cc samesamesame once a day then.

[Anonymous No.4054823]

>>4052389
Nah you're a pleb, garegga has aesthetics but has like 1/5th of batriders content and expanded scoring system.

[Anonymous No.4054840]

>>4054823
>muh content
by that logic go play some AAA garbage you pleb

[Anonymous No.4054846]

>>4054819
this was more about horis. s!s!s! while not a danmaku is still not that different.

[Anonymous No.4054867]

>>4054840
Triple AAA shmups? They exist???

[Anonymous No.4054903]

>>4054867
There's game where you have to shoot on moving target, most of the time you have a first person view.

[Anonymous No.4054906]

>>4054903
Oh I see, but those are called FPSes not Shmups aren't they?

[Anonymous No.4054907]

>>4054906
You move your character to dodge and shoot bullets back at the enemies, I don't see the difference.

[Anonymous No.4055029]

>>4054907
The difference could be that you don't see your character, but you would in a TPS.

[Anonymous No.4055051]

>>4054907
it doesn't auto-scroll. that's the main difference between shmups and other genres, which is why i'd consider rail shooters and auto-scroll stages in platformers to be the closest thing to shmups.

[Anonymous No.4055053]

>>4055051
and before you say it, space invaders still counts, becouse aliens move down constantly.

[Anonymous No.4055167]

>>4055051
Fantasy Zone isn't exactly an auto-scroll either.

[Anonymous No.4055279]

>>4054425
They aren't necessarily harder, they just have different skillsets. You also didn't mention a difficulty for IN or PCB; normal is still very, very easy in the grand scope of things.

Keep playing, keep looking for ways to safely get through the stages, use savestates for practice if you think that will help, and look up replays from players that have already 1cc'd.

[Anonymous No.4055286]

>>4054780
>So....is this thread related to /shmupg/
Besides being for the same type of game, not really. I think /shmupg/ existed first when /vg/ became a board, but it died because the genre doesn't have quite the fanbase of new games or LoL. Then /vr/ was created and /stg/ started here. Then /shmupg/ came back about 2 years ago.

[Anonymous No.4055292]

>>4054819
I didn't realize SSS was a hori memorizer.

[Anonymous No.4055347]

>>4055167
probably why i can't get into it, auto-scrolling4lyfe.

[Anonymous No.4055529]

Is it standard for emulated arcade shmups to have frame rate issues when things get messy?

[Anonymous No.4055534]

>>4055529
you mean the game slowing down? yes. you can press f10 or f11 or something, to see how fast game runs, if it's 100% it's ok.

[Anonymous No.4055702]

>>4054840
come back when you have good scores in garegga and batrider which I do, batrider is much much more fun than garegga which is simple by batriders standard. If garegga didn't have that soundtrack no one would give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.4055735]

>>4055702
>I like Batrider more and that means it's better.
I even agree with you and think you're an annoying faggot. You sound like that cunt that treats Ikaruga like God's gift to shmups, and gets pissy and defensive about others having different tastes.

In case that fucker comes here again, that's not an attack on Ikaruga; game is perfectly good, you're just an irritating prick.

[Anonymous No.4055745]

>>4055735
fuck off you sack of cum i'll make you prep the bull and become resident throat yoghurt dumping vessel. Ikaruga is shit btw and you sound like an obese cunter with noodle arms and a beta beard now fuck up wet lettuce.

[Anonymous No.4055796]

Why does Garegga have such terrible pacing? It's almost Compile-tier. Even the first level drags on forever.

[Anonymous No.4055804]

>>4055796
Because you played the superior Batrider and realised there's much more going on, scoring-wise.

[Anonymous No.4055871]

>>4055796
people from compile worked on garegga.

[Anonymous No.4055901]

>>4055871
I thought Raizing was mostly ex-Toaplan + Yagawa.

[Anonymous No.4055915]

>>4055901
Also on Sorcer Striker

[Anonymous No.4056013]

>>4055702
>good scores in garegga
>garegga is simple by batriders standard
fuck off cee your score in garegga was like half of Kamui's score? lmao

[Anonymous No.4056054]

>>4050039
Idinaloq still fun after all these years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pnREFDz0fk

[Anonymous No.4056086]

>>4056054
Bullet hell trash where you can absorb most of the screen. Pass.
The penguin girl in your picture is fucking garbage by the way, weeb.

[Anonymous No.4056109]

>>4056013
>ywn get a higher score than some tranny degenerate

[Anonymous No.4056113]

>>4056109
Icy Calm was right, scoring is for degenerates.

[Anonymous No.4056527]

Was this faggot supposed to be an Ultraman Tiga reference?

[Anonymous No.4056657]

>>4056054
Never heard of it before, reminds me of Silpheed.

[Anonymous No.4056680]

>>4056013
you're too pussy for ygw games bnm so why are you even replying? go back to sucking off ikedashit

[Anonymous No.4056684]

>>4056013
>>4056013
>fuck off cee your score in garegga was like half of Kamui's score?
I played garegga for less than 100hrs in my life compared to kamui the frankfurt smuggler who played 10 hrs a day for years and over 15 yrs in total because he's mentally ill. I'm proud not to play garegga to that level.

[Anonymous No.4056984]

>>4050039
What's the closest thing to River Raid on SNES?

[Anonymous No.4057408]

>>4056684
Oh so the game isn't that simple and your score isn't that good. Even Yagawa said garegga was the superior, more serious game.

[Anonymous No.4057439]

>Rob will never make another STG review
Feels bad, my dudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbts2qTrbAg

[Anonymous No.4057805]

>>4057408
>Even Yagawa said garegga was the superior, more serious game.
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4057839]

>>4057805
>For people who like shooting games or are interested in them and want to have a lighter experience, Armed Police Batrider is preferred, whereas Battle Garegga is more for when you want a disciplined, focused experience.

[Anonymous No.4057853]

>>4057839
He's just implying that Garegga has less casual-friendly options, such as no Strawman or Normal Mode. Not necessarily implying that Garegga's scoring is superior to Batrider's. Besides, Bakraid's scoring is more complex than either.

[Anonymous No.4057885]

>>4057853
>Not necessarily implying that Garegga's scoring is superior to Batrider's.
Batrider is definitely more silly though, stuff like the team edit while a novel are also its own weakness since everyone use the same generic teams as the ships are pretty unbalanced. Also the game has many bosses but a lot of them are downright boring and kill the pace of the game. While it gives you some more freedom in ways to play, it ends up being a more unfocused game just like Yagawa implied.

[Anonymous No.4057892]

Am I the only one who prefers the original YAMAHA soundtrack for Battle Greggor instead of the arranged Saturn one?

[Anonymous No.4057948]

PARODIUS games are such comfy games to credit feed. Even if you suck if you die a bunch of times the difficulty ranking PLUMMETS. Anyone could beat it with a little perseverance.

[Anonymous No.4057980]

>>4057948
Credit feeding is the one true way to play STGs that developers originally intended. 1cc'ing is try hard and degenerated

[Anonymous No.4057981]

>>4057980
try creditfeeding gradius then faggot

[Anonymous No.4057984]

>>4057981
You and I know that Gradius 3 forbids continuing.
It's totally possible to credit feed Gradius 1 and 2 and actually quite fun since the ranking system decreases to adapt to your skill level.

[Anonymous No.4057989]

>>4057984
>ranking system
Is that some new meme?

[Anonymous No.4057991]

>>4057989
Rank is an invisible system in a game that automatically (without explicit difficulty switches or operator input) and dynamically (is different according to different circumstances) controls how hard the game is.
A very simple (at least on the surface) example is the Gradius series. The more powered up you are, the harder the game gets. How rank is determined, implemented, and what it affects varies wildly by game.
http://www.gradiushomeworld.co.uk/forumvb/archive/index.php/t-3432.html

[Anonymous No.4057994]

>>4057984
>It's totally possible to credit feed Gradius 1 and 2
No it's not you dumbass

[Anonymous No.4057998]

So the other day I was playing Oshaberi Parodius PS1 port, and I kinda expected to spend an afternoon stuck repeating the later stages of the game.
Turns out to my surprise after dying a couple times in a row the ranking system kicked in and adapted itself to my skill level. I ended up beating the game without breaking a sweat. That was eye opening to how entertaining credit feeding can be.

[Anonymous No.4058003]

>>4057994
Wait a sec, I'm gonna download the rom and check.

[Anonymous No.4058008]

>>4058003

[Anonymous No.4058013]

>>4057994
Sheeit, you're right, you can't continue on Gradius 2. My bad. You can still sort of simulate credit feeding by turning on infinite lives cheat on Mame.

[Anonymous No.4058018]

That's correct, you can't credit feed on the Gradius trilogy. Oh well another good reason to prefer Parodius over that try hard shit.

[Anonymous No.4058023]

>>4058018
I want to see you credit-feed the second loop of Parodius da, must be fun to watch a retard getting rekt in the same checkpoint for hours

[Anonymous No.4058024]

>>4058023
>second loop
Can you even access that shit by credit feeding? I thought the game kicked you out upon continue.
I usually give up after beating the final boss once, second loops are artificial difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4058025]

>>4058023
Second loops are degenerate. If you've already beaten the game once you've got nothing to prove.

[Anonymous No.4058027]

>>4058024
>>4058025
oh yeah I forgot you would be raped in the first loop already

[Anonymous No.4058029]

>>4058027
>oh yeah I forgot you would be raped in the first loop already
That's not a problem, because you see that is the magic of the ranking system, if you keep dying in a row the game adapts itself down to your skill level. It's brilliant, anyone can beat Parodius as long as they have enough money.

[Anonymous No.4058030]

>>4058029
You don't beat a game unless you 1cc.

[Anonymous No.4058035]

>>4058029
The rank decrease isn't enough for plebs like you to clear the game by creditfeeding, especially considering the later stages

[Anonymous No.4058036]

In Parodius the more you die the easier it gets, there's a lot of incentive to keep trying since it only keeps getting easier.
Meanwhile Gradius locks you in a checkpoint just before an impossible boss fight with no reasonable way to recover your powerups. It's bad design.

[Anonymous No.4058039]

>>4058035
>The rank decrease isn't enough for plebs like you to clear the game by creditfeeding, especially considering the later stages
It totally is, I've cleared all Parodius games on the first loop at least once.

[Anonymous No.4058042]

>>4058039
Post that Parodius da ac run, it will be fun to watch. And the other games removed the checkpoints so it's irrelevant if a retard like you cleared it by creditfeeding.

[Anonymous No.4058045]

>>4058042
I'm gonna download a rom and see. I expect parodius da to be the hardest game since it released real close to the old Gradiuses.

[Anonymous No.4058067]

>>4058042
>And the other games removed the checkpoints
Sexy is the only Parodius to have no checkpoints by default though.

[Anonymous No.4058226]

POAST HI SCORES

[Anonymous No.4058334]

>>4056109
>He couldn't even get a high score of three
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.4058379]

>>4057408
>Oh so the game isn't that simple and your score isn't that good. Even Yagawa said garegga was the superior, more serious game.
no he didn't + better scores than you and i've barely played it instead opting for superior batrider. You don't even know what context is do you? garegga is simple in terms of understanding it, it's muh strats got blown way out of proportion when in reality after you have a route established you'll realize it isn't complex at all especially compared to batrider.

[Anonymous No.4058381]

What is with this batrider meme? Nobody even cared about that game until a few weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.4058383]

>>4057885
>everyone use the same generic teams as the ships are pretty unbalanced.
Wrong, they're 2 mixed teams which are used, there's garegga team runs and then carpet solo, these are the accepted competitive fields as stated by wr holder tateha.

>>4057885
>it ends up being a more unfocused game just like Yagawa implied.
You don't get his point at all, it's unfocused means it has options where as garegga has a limited way to play, the stages are always the exact same as are the bosses. Batrider advanced is much harder than garegga no one who's played both (not you pleb) disputes this.

[Anonymous No.4058385]

>>4058381
Probably some youtube celeb made a video on it saying it's a hidden gem.

[Anonymous No.4058393]

>>4058381
what? it's always been popular you donut.

[Anonymous No.4058394]

>>4058393
Never saw people arguing it was better than Battle Greggor before.

[Anonymous No.4058430]

>>4058394
People are finally coming to their senses, it seems.

[Anonymous No.4058483]

>>4058226
work in progress

[Anonymous No.4058510]

>>4058394
When i first got into shmups around 10 yrs ago no one said anything about battle garegga either but then they realised it was popular in japan and as typical of weaboo fuck ups they began to praise it. The western scene has no mind of it's own at all, largely populated by beta conformist echo chamber enthusiasts.

[Anonymous No.4058613]

Just beat Crisis Force

[Anonymous No.4058893]

>>4058613
grats, second best NES shump after Recca

[Anonymous No.4059118]

>>4058379
Again, if Garegga is so simple then prove it with a decent score for once, half of wr barely proves anything.

>>14058383
>Wrong, they're 2 mixed teams which are used
Most mixed teams come down to the same generic choices, Carpet, Flying Baron, and the 1 or 2 Batrider ships that aren't shit, even if there is some variation to that it still counts as the same mixed category.

>there's garegga team runs and then carpet solo. these are the accepted competitive fields as stated by wr holder tateha.
Oh so then we only have 2 or 3 competitive categories compared to Garegga where all 8 ships are fairly competitive and count as their own category, not really an improvement in options if you ask me. Kamui for all the time he's spent only holds the wr for one of these ships.
>it has options where as garegga has a limited way to play
See above, Batrider has more options on paper but not on competition, how many people score with the shitty ships solo? Batrider team? Mahou team?, there is no doubt that the main competition is limited to mixed Advance and everyone move on there eventually.

>the stages are always the exact same as are the bosses.
Yeah while Batrider's customization actually weakened the game in terms of categories for competition, which is the reason the WR had to invent arbitrary categories like those you stated to focus on something else than just mixed Advance. That's precisely what Yagawa meant with Garegga being more focused.

>Batrider advanced is much harder than garegga
Only if you go for all the bosses honestly, and while maybe that is right Garegga on high level is no joke. And since you like to add arbitrary categories let's add Harder mode and Extended mode in Garegga which are played by some top players.

[Anonymous No.4059119]

>>4058379
Again, if Garegga is so simple then prove it with a decent score for once, half of wr barely proves anything.

>>4058383
>Wrong, they're 2 mixed teams which are used
Most mixed teams come down to the same generic choices, Carpet, Flying Baron, and the 1 or 2 Batrider ships that aren't shit, even if there is some variation to that it still counts as the same mixed category.

>there's garegga team runs and then carpet solo. these are the accepted competitive fields as stated by wr holder tateha.
Oh so then we only have 2 or 3 competitive categories compared to Garegga where all 8 ships are fairly competitive and count as their own category, not really an improvement in options if you ask me. Kamui for all the time he's spent only holds the wr for one of these ships.
>it has options where as garegga has a limited way to play
See above, Batrider has more options on paper but not on competition, how many people score with the shitty ships solo? Batrider team? Mahou team?, there is no doubt that the main competition is limited to mixed Advance and everyone move on there eventually.

>the stages are always the exact same as are the bosses.
Yeah while Batrider's customization actually weakened the game in terms of categories for competition, which is the reason the WR had to invent arbitrary categories like those you stated to focus on something else than just mixed Advance. That's precisely what Yagawa meant with Garegga being more focused.

>Batrider advanced is much harder than garegga
Only if you go for all the bosses honestly, and while maybe that is right Garegga on high level is no joke. And since you like to add arbitrary categories let's add Harder mode and Extended mode in Garegga which are played by some top players.

[Anonymous No.4059345]

>>4059119
Jesus fucking christ you can't even read properly, no one's saying gareggas simple as in to get a wr it's simple in terms of grasping what to do. Now fuck off you annoying cunt, i legitimately would stab you to fucking death now fuck off.
>>4059119
>which is the reason the WR had to invent arbitrary categories
Garegga also has wr's for each individual character, this in essence is no different that the categories of batrider, you are fucking dumb as a fucking ROCK. if anyone can tell me this cunts location that'd be grand i want him fucking dead.

[Anonymous No.4059346]

>>4058226
I ain't got nothing to prove, my man.

[Anonymous No.4059535]

>>4059345
>i legitimately would stab you to fucking death
>i want him fucking dead.
Take your meds my man

>this in essence is no different that the categories of batrider,
The difference is that people actually play and compete with the other ships in Garegga, while Batrider's real competition is focused on mixed advance, rarely the japs take seriously something else.

[Anonymous No.4059580]

>>4059535
>while Batrider's real competition is focused on mixed advance
Yeah, this. Nobody does solo runs because mixed provides a better score since you can spawn more bosses that way.

[Anonymous No.4059582]

I don't normally emulate my games, but when i do, i prefer shmups.

[Anonymous No.4059712]

Why is ZUN such an unoriginal hack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgkeDdGK1Z0

[Anonymous No.4059717]

>>4059712
Wow, what a hack fraud.

[Anonymous No.4059770]

Got a no miss 1-ALL in R-Type 3 days ago! Feelsgoodman.

[Anonymous No.4059773]

>>4059770
nice, go for the 2all

[Anonymous No.4059803]

>>4059712
Holy shit! Color me surprised, a series with a ton of different enemy attack patterns has some that are similar to attack patterns in other games!

[Anonymous No.4059957]

>>4059770
I wish R-Type 3's first level didn't drag on for over 5 minutes just to show off RADICAL MODE 7 DUDE.

[Anonymous No.4059961]

>>4059803
Nice try, but they are downright plagiarism.

[Anonymous No.4059976]

>>4059961
Some of them are but most of it is just autism

[Anonymous No.4060240]

>it's been over ten years since we last got a good new shmup
Feels bad, my dudes.

[Anonymous No.4060243]

>>4060240
Pic unrelated?

[Anonymous No.4060798]

>>4060240
Treasure... was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.4060815]

>>4057994
pretty sure it's actually possible to creditfeed gradius ii but only in the renamed western version

[Anonymous No.4060852]

>>4060243
Nah, V is the best Gradius game.

[Anonymous No.4060854]

>>4060852
Incorrect. That would be II. V is a casualized cinematic abomination, and a blight on what would have otherwise been a perfect series of games.

[Anonymous No.4060857]

>>4060854
Also, no moais.

[Anonymous No.4060865]

>>4060240
did you miss darius burst, raiden 5, battle garegga rev 2016

[Anonymous No.4061136]

>>4060865
>darius burst
outsourced trash

>raiden 5
bullethell trash

>battle garegga rev 2016
bullethell trash

[Anonymous No.4061158]

>>4061136
This is why nobody makes shmups anymore faggot. Enjoy your rehashed 80s hardware.

[Anonymous No.4061352]

>>4061158
thanx, i will (:

[Anonymous No.4061353]

>>4061352
Shove that PCB up your ass, nerd. See if you reach a high score on it. Fuckface.

[Anonymous No.4061361]

>>4061136
gradius 5 is more bullet hell than battle garegga, tbqh

[Anonymous No.4061384]

>>4061361
Danmaku is more than just the bullets, it refers to shmups that have empty levels and use enemies and bullets for "level design". Gradius V still has stage structures you have to navigate through, so it is not really a bullet hell.

[Anonymous No.4061386]

>>4061384
>, it refers to shmups that have empty levels and use enemies and bullets for "level design".
Those are just Vertical shooters.
Ikurrga and Desu Smiles were bullet hells but they still had walls.

[Anonymous No.4061620]

>>4061384
No walls isn't exclusive to danmakus you silly, it's just a different style that's more akin to vertical shooters where manipulation of enemies/bullets is more important than 100% static structures (walls)
If you don't like both styles you are just a pleb.

[Anonymous No.4061645]

>>4061620
Fuck you, bullet hell is the cancer that kill STGs.

[Anonymous No.4061738]

>>4056984
bump

[Anonymous No.4061765]

>>4061738
I don't know, man, Firepower 2000.

[Anonymous No.4061771]

>>4061738
Sanic Wings

[Anonymous No.4061805]

>>4061645
Not all vertical shmups are bulelt hell you retarded piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4061816]

post your favorite bullet hells

[Anonymous No.4061862]

Castle Shitgame just came out on steam.

[Anonymous No.4061864]

>>4060798
>>4060857
You just never give up do you

[Anonymous No.4061885]

>>4061805
The majority have NO WALLS, therefore are bullet hell by your own definition. FAGGOT.

[Anonymous No.4061886]

>>4061862
What the fuck, it's the very first one. They should have made a compilation pack with all three games. At least they translated the voiced cutscenes, those are hilariously bad in a good way.

[Anonymous No.4061889]

>>4061862
Shitgame no Shiro 1 is actually /vr/ related as it came out on pre-1999 Playstation based hardware.

[Anonymous No.4061890]

But again that's not exclusive to bullet hells you fucking retard, vertical shooters with no walls was a thing way before bullet hells. Oh and also there are some bullet hells with walls like this anon stated >>4061386
way to prove you know jackshit about the matter

[Anonymous No.4061892]

>>4061890
>>4061885

[Anonymous No.4061895]

>>4061890
I'm done talking to you, POST HISCORES.

[Anonymous No.4061897]

GALAXIAN is bullet hell, it has no walls.

[Anonymous No.4061901]

>>4061895
WR and counterstop in all your favorite games you silly cuck

[Anonymous No.4061902]

Walls = goodgame
Nowalls = kusoge

[Anonymous No.4061905]

>>4061902
Limits like walls in shmups is for limited people

[Anonymous No.4061906]

Castle Shikigami has absolutely brilliant dialogue
https://youtu.be/vDORuIwmR-U
LOUD VOLUME WARNING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVOZai8cFRI

[Anonymous No.4061916]

>>4061906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jXfQVJJDj0

[Anonymous No.4061931]

Fumiko is my waifu.

[Anonymous No.4061938]

>>4061931
She looks like PC98 Marisa

[Anonymous No.4061945]

>>4061931
>>4061938
Touhoufags, get the fuck back to /jp/

[Anonymous No.4061946]

>>4061931

I liked her appearance in the third game.

[Anonymous No.4061983]

>>4061645
The cancer that killed stg is the popular style of stg. Who'da thunk.

[Anonymous No.4061990]

G-Darius is great, just wish the PSX port didn't have so much slowdown.

>>4061945
Nah.

[Anonymous No.4061997]

>>4061990
>G-Darius is great, just wish the PSX port didn't have so much slowdown.
Oh it's fixed in the PS2 port in one of the Namco collection thingies.

[Anonymous No.4062001]

>>4061983
I'd rather Shooters straight up died than turned out into the pathetic effeminate shit they did. Not that it matters since bullet hell eventually died too anyway.

[Anonymous No.4062003]

>>4062001
>I'd rather shooters died than become something I personally don't care for that much.
Autism.

[Anonymous No.4062010]

>>4062003
If I can't enjoy it, why should anyone else? I'm glad they're dead now.

[Anonymous No.4062017]

>>4061997
Might have to pick up Taito Legends 2 sometime. Didn't realize it also had Metal Black and Darius Gaiden, though that's my fault for not looking into it sooner. Shame the PS2 version doesn't have RayForce on it as well.

[Anonymous No.4062019]

>>4062001
Bullet hell didn't die, it just started infecting other genres

see: Binding of Isaac, Undertale, NieR

[Anonymous No.4062039]

>>4062019
>Undertale
lol a fitting death for a faggot genre

[Anonymous No.4062041]

>>4062019
All those games are better than CAVE shit.

[Anonymous No.4062058]

FUCK danmaku and FUCK autistic weeaboos

[Anonymous No.4062060]

>>4062058
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.4062064]

>>4062017
that's basically the biggest flaw
what's weird is that it does have gekirindan, which ran on the same arcade board

it's a pretty damn good collection, really

[Anonymous No.4062861]

Who hype for Hidden Star in Four Seasons?

[Anonymous No.4062879]

>>4062861
Fuck off to /jp/ Touhou is not welcome here.

[Anonymous No.4062882]

>>4050039
You got my hopes up that the Darius 30th was available again op

[Anonymous No.4063054]

>>4059580
wrong.

[Anonymous No.4063161]

Ketsui was Cave's last good game, prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.4063231]

>>4062861
I'm looking forward to it! Doesn't seem like the scoring will be as interesting (to me) as PCB or IN, but the only other game in the series with that is MS so I won't hold that against it.

All the new Cirno art I've seen has been pretty great, too.

[Anonymous No.4063248]

>>4063054
explain.

[Anonymous No.4063286]

>>4063161
b-but muh ibara

[Anonymous No.4063290]

>>4063286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwKFnTwEDUo

[Anonymous No.4063292]

>>4063286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSj5z8L9AjM

[Anonymous No.4063309]

what an awful episode of stg weekly

[Anonymous No.4063314]

>>4063309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42HKcdsmt1s
What's so bad about it?

[Anonymous No.4063326]

>>4063314
not that one, the shikigami stream they just did

[Anonymous No.4063509]

>>4063161
I can't.

[Anonymous No.4063820]

>>4060854
found the pleb, 2 is alright but extremely easy the first loop is a complete snorefest on hardest. Gaiden is alright but over powered ship and same easy first loop. iv is the best for classic formulae, the challenge is perfect, the dynamic rank is refined so every recovery is possible and aside from questionable 3d it's amazing with the best moai ever in a gradius game. Naturally it's to hard for most westie shites so they don't know what's actually good about it. V stray to far from gradius, is to long and a snooze fest in certain parts.

[Anonymous No.4063841]

>>4063820
>found the pleb, 2 is alright but extremely easy the first loop
Playing only the first loop in a Gradius game is indeed pretty pleb.

>on hardest
Hardest dips barely do anything to the difficulty you pleb, it doesn't even add revenge bullets, looping makes the game 100x harder.

[Anonymous No.4063845]

>>4063820
>first loop
>first loop
>no mention of III
That's all you can clear, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.4063886]

>>4063841
>Hardest dips barely do anything to the difficulty you pleb, it doesn't even add revenge bullets, looping makes the game 100x harder.

Implying i haven't 2 looped gradius 2. Fuck up ya wee fanny.

[Anonymous No.4063894]

>>4063845
>That's all you can clear, isn't it?
No and hilariously you prove you're the actual pleb because the reason i mention first loops is because those of us who loop these games regularly know we have to sit through 25-40 mins of boredom every fucking time to get to the actual challenge, you stupid cunt. I've looped 2,gaiden (3 loops),V and 2-7 pb on iv which im working on atm for a 2 loop clear. I've almost 2-alled salamander 2 aswell (2-5).

[Anonymous No.4063901]

>>4063886
Then stop saying retarded things like the game is easy just for a shitty 1-All

[Anonymous No.4063928]

>>4063901
He's saying the games are shitty because it takes a whole loop in order for the games to finally start kicking your ass.

[Anonymous No.4063931]

>>4063928
Which can be said 95% fucking loop games, if you think the first loop gets too easy then try doing more risky score strats instead of play the sake way over and over

[Anonymous No.4063934]

>>4063928
Which can be said about 95% fucking loop games, if you think the first loop gets too easy then try doing more risky score strats instead of play the same way over and over

[Anonymous No.4063956]

>>4050039
Anybody got a recommended starting point for the Darius series for an anon? I've been playing Gradius Gaiden on through emulation on my ps2, and I'm just looking for something a bit different.

[Anonymous No.4064026]

>>4063934
>risky score strats
>gradius
shoot an extra enemy once in a while to have 100 more points? that's some scoring.
>Which can be said about 95% fucking loop games
except that non-dad games have real scoring depth even in the first level, making first loop as hard as you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.4064034]

>>4064026
Show me your 800k loop 1 in Gradius II then retard.

>muh danmaku crap is better than your old games
fuck off to your shithole on /vg/ already

[Anonymous No.4064041]

>>4064034
>Show me your 800k loop 1 in Gradius II then retard.
you can push any shmup to the limit, even most primitive ones, doesn't mean it's not going to be boring.
>fuck off to your shithole on /vg/ already
far more danmaku were made before 00s than after

[Anonymous No.4064048]

>>4063956
Did you mean Darius Gaiden, or not? If not, I would start with either Darius Gaiden or the first one.

[Anonymous No.4064049]

>>4064041
>making fun about "primitive" games even when he is completely shit at it
yeah that's your typical tryhard danmaku fag

[Anonymous No.4064061]

>>4064049
sorry, i don't enjoy mindless grind like milking, running after every little enemy or whatever goes into scoring in dad games with no scoring systems.
>>4064049
doesn't take a cook to see that dish is past expiration date.

[Anonymous No.4064067]

>>4064061
> don't enjoy mindless grind like milking
Don't you like a mechanic present in 99% shmups? what a special fucking retard you are.

>dad games with no scoring systems.
Your shitty scores in some danmaku don't even compare to 10m in a Gradius game you tryhard shitplayer

[Anonymous No.4064071]

>>4064067
>Don't you like a mechanic present in 99% shmups?
yep, it's shit. luckily in games with score systems it doesn't affect your score that much, might as well ignore it, plenty of other ways to raise score.
>Your shitty scores in some danmaku don't even compare to 10m in a Gradius game you tryhard shitplayer
nobody here is saying it's easy, but looping until the second coming of christ is not my idea of fun scoring, sorry.

[Anonymous No.4064079]

>>4064071
>yep, it's shit. luckily in games with score systems it doesn't affect your score that much, might as well ignore it
Except some danmakus are worse than Gradius in this regard you uneducated retard, stuff like Esprade's boss milking drags forever.

>but looping until the second coming of christ is not my idea of fun scoring
Not like a cuck with no stamina nor talent like you could do it anyway.

[Anonymous No.4064094]

>>4064079
>some
some.
>Esprade's boss milking drags forever.
at least milking is not all there is to it.
>cuck
>when you get so mad you start spewing underage buzzwords

[Anonymous No.4064117]

>>4064071
>>4064094
You are the epitome of the western scene of danmaku weeb faggots always dissing old games, it's not like you are relevant in either style of shmup anyway. The good players like WTN and DBS play both modern and old because they aren't one trick ponies crying about older games instead of playing the games.

[Anonymous No.4064190]

>>4064117
>The good players like WTN and DBS play both modern and old because they aren't one trick ponies crying about older games instead of playing the games.
that's good, but i don't see what i have to do with those allergic to older games, they are fine and playing them is fine, i played raiden for 3 hours a day just recently. yet they aren't such flawless, timeless masterpieces as you make them out to be.

[Anonymous No.4064228]

>>4064190
>yet they aren't such flawless, timeless masterpieces as you make them out to be.
Just because some shitter can't into multilooping or less tryhard scoring? nah I don't think so. And if you want more demanding scoring just play Raiden DX

[Anonymous No.4064261]

>>4064228
raiden dx is 94, by then, most developers realised that a shmup needs some kind of scoring system, so you pretty much confirmed my point.
>Just because some shitter can't into multilooping or less tryhard scoring?
you can't be seriously expecting that someone who doesn't like "less tryhard" scoring would even bother with it? even if i would, you'd still cry that i'm not good enough to judge, what a bullshit "argument", could've just said git gud.

[Anonymous No.4064740]

Which is more overrated: Ikaruga or Touhou?

[Anonymous No.4064789]

>>4064740
Bullet hell destroyed the shooting gender.

[Anonymous No.4064820]

>love the aesthetics of shooters like R-type, Raiden, Progear
>can't finish then without save states or infinite credits
>try to git gud
>fail miserably in every possible way

Shame on me. The only I have finish without dying is STG for Snes.

[Anonymous No.4064834]

>>4064740
ikaruga doesn't have endless supplies of fangames, remixes, and porn
but on the other hand, no one actually plays the touhou games

[Anonymous No.4064838]

>>4064740
I've never met a 2hufag unironically saying any Touhou game is "the most genius shmup of all time".

[Anonymous No.4065004]

>>4064261
>most developers realised that a shmup needs some kind of scoring system
Raiden DX's scoring isn't overly different to Raiden though, it has more demanding medaling but it still mantains infinite looping where you are just to pleb for it.

Tryhard scoring was thing even in old games like Omega Fighter., Caveshit did nothing new

[Anonymous No.4065012]

>>4064740
At least Ikaruga is actually pretty good.

>>4064820
>>love the aesthetics of shooters like R-type, Raiden, Progear
On that note, what are some less-old (late 90s+) Shoe Ting Games that aren't faggy as hell?

[Anonymous No.4065040]

>>4065012
>On that note, what are some less-old (late 90s+) Shoe Ting Games that aren't faggy as hell?

Triangle Service's games, maybe?

[Anonymous No.4065854]

>>4050039
Why is DX superplay playing Journey band I do not understand

[Anonymous No.4065861]

>current year
>not playing P2 Darius GX

[Anonymous No.4065868]

>>4065004
>Raiden DX's scoring isn't overly different to Raiden though
I've never read a more incorrect claim in my life, go actually learn how it works dildo.

[Anonymous No.4065880]

>>4063934
Jesus you are dumb as a fucking rock. Gradius 2 is fucking boring as fuck easy as shit even with all the scoring tricks which surprise surprise don't get hard UNTIL THE FUCKING LOOP. 3 and 4 are the only challenging first loop gradius games from the classics.

[Anonymous No.4065905]

>>4065880
>IV
>Challenging first loop
You can do 2 loops in II in the time it would take to clear 1 in IV. The real challenge is not falling asleep. Quite similar to V in that regard.

[Anonymous No.4065909]

>>4065880
>muh first loop!
Yeah just like I said only casual shitters play Gradius games for the first loop, unless you have a multiloop clear of Gradius II don't reply to me ever again you retarded babby.

[Anonymous No.4065921]

>>4065868
It works mostly the same you retard, it has some additions like I said like the flashing medals, but stuff like the end stage bonus and the focus on multilooping is largely the same to previous games

[Anonymous No.4065943]

>>4065909
>Yeah just like I said only casual shitters play Gradius games for the first loop
and like i fucking said you have to sit through the first loop every time and try to stay awake.

>unless you have a multiloop clear of Gradius II
I do you fucking thick cunt that's the point.

>>4065905
>You can do 2 loops in II in the time it would take to clear 1 in IV.
Literally what? it's 30 mins which is average and the pacing is superb, you haven't even played it you pleb cunt. You know 4 is a remake and improved 2 right? 2 is fucking EASY until at least loop 3 you joker.

[Anonymous No.4065946]

>>4065909
>i can't read

The post.

[Anonymous No.4065957]

>>4065943
>I do you fucking thick cunt that's the point.
Post it here then you lying fuck.

>>4065946
>I'm a retard baby who play only plays first loops: the post

[Anonymous No.4065959]

>>4065943

Improved how? All it did was simplify everything by making only one ship good and the rank system easier, so the kiddies wouldn't have to pop in so many quarters. The stages are the same rehashed shit, but I guess if you call it a "remake", it's okay.

[Anonymous No.4065980]

>>4050039
>that pic

[Anonymous No.4065989]

>>4065880
>>4065905
>>4065909
>>4065921
>>4065943
>>4065946
>>4065957
thank god mods delete posts about ikaruga to make room for quality discussion

[Anonymous No.4065994]

I didnt like Axelay (SNES) as a kid, but I hear its good. I still have a copy. Is it worth it to dig into for a spell?

[Anonymous No.4066013]

>>4065994
Let the man himself tell you about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_D5qAwerOk

[Anonymous No.4066080]

>castle shikigami steam
>no practice mode
>no replays
>broken tah-tay

what the fuck degica

[Anonymous No.4066217]

>>4065957
>I'm a retard who can't read and can't grasp that first loops are an important aspect because sitting through to get to loops can be boring as fuck like gradius 2 which is fucking easy.

Admit it you can't loop a single gradius and think 2's hard so you have to defend it like a retard, go put your nappy back on you tit feeding cunt.

[Anonymous No.4066224]

>>4066080
That's the developer's fault. Degica are just publishers, not devs.

[Anonymous No.4066408]

>>4066217
>Admit it you can't loop a single gradius and think 2's hard so you have to defend it like a retard
OK, you're right, I'm sorry. I don't know why I pretend to be better at these games than I really am. It's just that Gradius is really hard and I get frustrated. I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.4066615]

Not really shmup but the Wild Guns remake is gonna come to steam on july 5th. Fucking awesome co-op cabal-style shooter by Natsume.

[Anonymous No.4066618]

>>4066615
is this from the ending? i've 1cc'ed this game not long ago, but don't remember this picture.

[Anonymous No.4066628]

>>4066618
I think it's just OC.

[Anonymous No.4066775]

>>4066217
Admit you can't do more than 1 loop in Gradius II so you have to attack it like a retard

First loops aren't that important, it's just the way the game attracts less skilled player while looping is the real challenge . If anything Gradius II increases the difficulty faster than IV, loop 2 of IV doesn't even have revenge bullets and checkpoints are for babies, lame af.

>>4066408
cool samefag nigger

[Anonymous No.4066795]

>>4066615
>remake

Would you people stop calling every single re-release a remake? The game's assets were ripped, put into a new engine, made 16:9, and then some new content added. That's a remaster if anything.

[Anonymous No.4066852]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tytBpigSrQ

this game look like shit

[Anonymous No.4067006]

>>4066775
>Admit you can't do more than 1 loop in Gradius II so you have to attack it like a retard
>First loops aren't that important, it's just the way the game attracts less skilled player while looping is the real challenge . If anything Gradius II increases the difficulty faster than IV, loop 2 of IV doesn't even have revenge bullets and checkpoints are for babies, lame af.
I've cleared 2 loops of 2 for the last time and stop proving you can't read, the first loop matters because if it's dire boring it makes it extremely painful to play through every time to get to the loops.

Top fucking KEK you just proved you're a dumb cunt who knows nothing, gradius gaiden has suicide bullets in loop 1 on hardest and even then is still 5 times easier than gradius iv, the loop of graidus iv is completely remapped with scenary rearrangements and lots of tight spaces combined with lots of enemies, it's fucking 10 times harder than the gradius 2 loop which is a fucking joke the hardest bit of which being powering up on stage 2-1. Go watch a gradius iv loop 2 moai stage to see what an utterly clueless CUNT you are, that shit will eat your pleb ass for dinner now stop replying to me you beginner shit.

[Anonymous No.4067075]

>>4066775
Disregard that, I suck cocks

Is US or Japanese Gradius better? I tried both and they're both much too hard, but the J one is at least a little easier.

[Anonymous No.4067081]

>>4066615
>mfw is true
>mfw I see the fat girl

[Anonymous No.4067094]

>>4067006
Whatever hipster retard keep wanking over some shitty rehash of II nobody cares about

[Anonymous No.4067126]

>>4066852
Pretty excellent graphics for a master system.

[Anonymous No.4067129]

>playing 2nd loops
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
>smuganimegirl.jpeg

[Anonymous No.4067138]

>>4066618

You get it for 1 credit clearing hard mode.

[Anonymous No.4067207]

What does /vr/ think of the Steel Empire remake on 3DS?

[Anonymous No.4067410]

satazius is breddy fun

homing balls are a little too op though

[Anonymous No.4067613]

*blocks you're path*

[Anonymous No.4067756]

>>4067410
really great game, the homing balls are actually garbage. Best weapon combo is the laser and homing laser + spread missiles secondary.

[Anonymous No.4067769]

>>4067094
>Whatever hipster retard keep wanking over some shitty rehash of II nobody cares about

The wr holder is SWY-yusemi i'd say he has pretty good taste wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.4068446]

>>4056527
be praying

[Anonymous No.4068854]

I never got into Gradius IV because the graphics look like puke but I'm gonna give it another try, what am I in for?

[Anonymous No.4069143]

Anyone know when super hydorah is gonna be on steam?

[Anonymous No.4070382]

Post cute ships.

[Anonymous No.4070391]

>>4065012
Kamui

[Anonymous No.4071169]

Just beat Parodius Da on Famicom tonight. Is there a cozier shmup?

[Anonymous No.4071197]

>>4071169
>Is there a cozier shmup?
I assume you've already played the Twin Bee games.

[Anonymous No.4071231]

This guy dimension hops in the club and slaps you ship's ass.

What do you do?

[Anonymous No.4071286]

>>4067410

Astro Port games are good, but nothing mind blowing. Also check out Gigantic Army, Wolflame, and Zangeki Warp.

>>4068854

Skip it. It's during the blah period of 2D games where everything looks bad.

Gradius V and Gaiden are the best.

[Anonymous No.4071442]

>>4071286
>Skip it. It's during the blah period of 2D games where everything looks bad.
Oh look its a MUHHH aesthetics pleb, no talk of gameplay whatsoever because you're shite and a cunt and no fuck all about mechanics or why it's good. V is barely gradius and a snooze fest with hr long loops and gaiden is way to fucking easy even no hardest, plebian faggot.

>>4068854
>I'm gonna give it another try, what am I in for?
The most refined version of the classic formulae, it has dynamic rank like a yagawa game that drops upon each death a lot making every recovery in the game possible, it's a hard beast to tame but always fair and requires a strong sense of planning and good option use skills. It has the best moai stage ever of any gradius and a great sound track to, its one of the best gradius games ever but you have to put effort in to see why, if you're to shit for it try 2 which is really easy.

[Anonymous No.4071447]

>>4068854
I have no faith in you btw because cunts who avoid games because muhhh grafix are nearly always shit players who make excuses for being shit and put no effort in at all before quitting, in hindsight the best advice is skip it and try something more your speed because you're simply not good enough.

[Anonymous No.4071478]

>>4071169
Keio Flying Squadron is pretty dang comfy.

[Anonymous No.4071763]

the trick that let's you choose mid-boss/boss in level 7 doesn't work in jap version? or is it me doing something wrong?

[Anonymous No.4071801]

>>4071763
>the trick that let's you choose mid-boss/boss in level 7 doesn't work in jap version? or is it me doing something wrong?
it's not a trick you fucking retard and yes you're doing something wrong. You line up with the score digits before they spawn to choose which you get. Each line of choice is 2 digits wide ie first 2 digits middle 2 and last 2 etc.

[Anonymous No.4071897]

>>4071447
>blah blah muh casuals
the graphics must be fucking terrible huh

[Anonymous No.4071904]

>>4071801
>You line up with the score digits before they spawn to choose which you get
that's what i'm doing and there is no difference
>Each line of choice is 2 digits wide
on shmupsfarm they say it's only 1 digit wide
>1000000 look at this 1 million score, then study this example 1*0*0*0 where you see the *, is the digit you line your fighter before the boss appears on screen. do this successfully and get one the three random mid or final bosses
but i've tested it with states and it doesn't matter with what number i align to, it's random. i have only tested it with mid-boss though, but it seems like jap version doesn't have this secret or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4071906]

>>4071904
you can see i'm aligned to the exact same number but the mid-boss is different.

[Anonymous No.4071940]

>>4071906
Stay at the bottom, left digits alien, middle dogū, right doll

[Anonymous No.4071945]

>>4071897
nah it's actually mostly quite pretty if your setup is right.

>>4071904
>on shmupsfarm they say it's only 1 digit wide
i couldn't give a cows cunt what they say, it's 2.

[Anonymous No.4071960]

>>4071940
thanks, it works. i rarely stay at the very bottom.
>>4071945
>i couldn't give a cows cunt what they say, it's 2.
guy who says it is some dad who did 2-all on a cab, but yes he's wrong.

[Anonymous No.4072080]

R-Type 1 is great. Which other R-Types are great? Do I have to get a PS emu to play Delta?

[Anonymous No.4072236]

Fuck Batrider. Too much RNG (looking at you, Gob-Rob and Bashi2) ruins an otherwise excellent shump.

[Anonymous No.4072261]

>>4072080
R-Type Final is an absolute must

[Anonymous No.4072285]

>>4072080
Elder God Tier:
R-Type

High Tier:
R-Type III

Mid Tier:
R-Type Delta

Low Tier:
R-Type II

Bottom Tier:
R-Type Final

Shit Tier:
R-Type Leo

[Anonymous No.4072346]

>>4072261
Final is trash, though.

[Anonymous No.4072367]

>>4072346
R-Type in general is trash.

t. Dariusfag

[Anonymous No.4072375]

>>4072367
But Darius is the worst of the Big 3 Horis.

Gradius > R-Type > Style-Over-Substancius

[Anonymous No.4072383]

>>4072367
darius is the plebest of the three series, makes sense you like it

[Anonymous No.4072392]

>>4072375
>RC Cola is the best
Makes sense. Gradius is too sweet and R-Type tastes like shit.

>>4072383
>Mad that our series still gets new installments
Drop dead like your favorite shmup, nerd

[Anonymous No.4072395]

>>4072392
>new
Dariusburst is like 8 years old you retard.

[Anonymous No.4072405]

>>4072375
>Gradius > R-Type > Style-Over-Substancius

but we need every entry of all three series in one big tier list

[Anonymous No.4072415]

>>4072395
>An enhanced release titled Dariusburst Chronicle Saviours was released for PlayStation 4, PlayStation Vita, and Microsoft Windows in December 2015.[5]

Not to mention the physical release and the Anniversary box that came out.

[Anonymous No.4072430]

>>4072415
Which is just a port of the old arcade with some console filler, nothing special.

[Anonymous No.4072437]

>>4072430
>He didn't buy the DLC

I'm sorry you never got to enjoy Metal Black and Space Harrier in it.

[Anonymous No.4072449]

>>4072437
I don't buy shit games to begin with

[Anonymous No.4072465]

>>4072449
So you don't play R-Type?

[Anonymous No.4072473]

>>4072465
Your just mad you can't credit-feed through it like Darius and have to come up with actual routes for the level designs.

[Anonymous No.4072483]

>>4072473
>Credit-feeding
Anybody who does this is cancerous.

[Anonymous No.4072727]

>>4072392
Dude what. It's Coke that tastes great, Pepsi that's too sweet, and RC that tastes like shit.

[Anonymous No.4073235]

Best M-KAI shmup?

[Anonymous No.4073264]

>Thunder Cross and Raiden V still aren't out for the North American PSN

I bought all their jewish NeoGeo and Arcade Archive ports. What more do these people want from me?

[Anonymous No.4073398]

>>4072236
gob robos completely easy as fuck though so it doesn't matter, bashi2 can be a plum but again if you have a plan he's nothing really and more of an ass as to whether he gives you great scoring or shit milk. If carpet solo gob robo matters for milk for everyone else though just fuck him off after he gives the arm orbs.

[Anonymous No.4073493]

>>4072375
>>4072375
>food analogy
fucking americans

[Anonymous No.4074347]

>>4073398
Yeah, Rob is an easy fight, it's just that you have to reset every time he decides to not do his spinning arm attack. Also, Carpet Solo is dumb because you skip all the sweet BG bosses.

[Anonymous No.4074364]

Do Batrider stages get easier/harder depending on the order you play them?

[Anonymous No.4074393]

>>4074364
The only thing that gets affected by stage order is which boss you fight on Highway.

If stage 2 is sewers: Sobutt
If stage 2 is sky high: Blunt
If stage 2 is airport: Envy

You can also trigger all three in a row by getting special level ups.

[Anonymous No.4074408]

>>4073493
What's the matter? You upset you were reminded your third-world shithole doesn't sell sodie pops?

[Anonymous No.4074435]

>>4074408
>compares everything with food

[Anonymous No.4074437]

>>4050039
I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something about your image I really really like.

[Anonymous No.4074449]

>>4074364
Generally yes but not by the stage order per se but the dynamic rank.

[Anonymous No.4074524]

>>4073264
>buying emulation from Sony's PSN

[Anonymous No.4074532]

>>4071286
>Astro Port games are good, but nothing mind blowing. Also check out Gigantic Army, Wolflame, and Zangeki Warp.

Steam sale is a great time to pick these up btw.

[Anonymous No.4074542]

>>4074435
what you got against food, nigga?

[Anonymous No.4074594]

>>4074542
>Go into this new restaurant just down the block from my apartment
>It's a sushi joint
>Not very busy, but whatever
>Sit down at the bar and the bartender asks for my order
>Glance at the menu
>Iron Fossil, Mother Hawk, Grand Octopus
>what
>Bartender recommends the "Golden Ogre"
>Fine, whatever
>Wait ten minutes after ordering that and a gin and tonic
>Bartender hears a thump and looks up from the counter
>"Oh, looks like your food is ready"
>Suddenly a loud, deafening noise fills the room
>Sounds like a siren being scraped against a chalkboard
>WARNING. WARNING.
>GOLDEN OGRE FAST APPROACHING
>My god damn order starts firing laser blasts and tiny homing missiles at me
>Run out the door as fast as I can before I get plugged by some faggot space fish
>mfw

[Anonymous No.4074775]

Strange, the Psikyo SH2 games are using 100% of one CPU core in sdlmame 0.182

[Anonymous No.4074876]

>>4074532
Those look neat

It's tough finding anything that doesn't have anime girls

[Anonymous No.4074904]

>>4074524
This is the wrong reaction image. She's not laughing, she's satisfied by the beer.

[Anonymous No.4074908]

>>4074532
If you're looking for something really good in the sale, get Battle Crust. It's a fantastic traditional vertical game that plays a lot like the IREM vertical games, like Image Fight or Thunder Blaster. Right now it's under five bucks.

[Anonymous No.4075068]

Eschatos is really neat, reminds me of those old Hudson/Compile STGs.

[Anonymous No.4075171]

They're playing G-Darius right now at HEY.

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv301143555

[Anonymous No.4076173]

Twinbee is cute! CUTE!!

[Anonymous No.4076823]

>>4074775
Fixed it by compiling it from source. Debian maintainers are just retarded and fucked something up, I guess.

[Anonymous No.4077070]

[Anonymous No.4077085]

Reminder that it's not arcade real unless the stick centers half way to the left and one of the buttons feels gluey and only works every third time you press it

[Anonymous No.4077384]

is there a coop shmups that supports 4 players?

[Anonymous No.4078204]

>>4077384
no

[Anonymous No.4078521]

>>4074364
>>4074449
Thanks, I'm fucking terrible at this.

[Anonymous No.4079016]

>>4077384
Aegis Wing for the X360. Not an incredible game, but it's free last I checked.

[Anonymous No.4079048]

>>4074904
Yeah but it's funnier if you take it in the context that she's laughing with tears in her eyes at the thought of someone buying ROMs on PSN.

[Anonymous No.4079486]

>>4077384
Darius CX
Jamestown

[Anonymous No.4079779]

>>4079016
See that planet, that's where Ikaruga took place

[Anonymous No.4080163]

>>4076173
Does any game have a more aggravating power up system

[Anonymous No.4080280]

>>4077384
And as >>4079016, Aegis Wing is free on the 360. It's pretty fun when everyone fuses their ships together.

[Anonymous No.4080356]

what decides the piv of the bells in parodius?

[Anonymous No.4080381]

>>4050039
Best Shmups is axelay. Best graphics, best music, best sound effects, best level and weapon design, best boss designs :3

And the best thing is, lots of people never heard about it xD

[Anonymous No.4080397]

>>4080381
axelay screenshot

[Anonymous No.4080410]

>>4080381
>ironic smilies
Eh, I don't know what to make out of this post, but yeah Axelay is pretty cool and lots of people know about it, in fact it's fairly popular and on SNES, so a lot of /vr/ contrarians hate it automatically.

[Anonymous No.4080472]

>>4074908

>please buy my game

[Anonymous No.4080567]

>>4080410
Fun to go through the system11 BEST OF lists. Old ones have a bunch of filthy pleb console games, now it's all Cave Burakkaru Raberu and gay rank/scoring systems.

[Anonymous No.4080834]

>>4080410
Oh look, a defensive Nintendo fan that assumes people hate it just because it's on a console, not due to it being a poor game.

[Anonymous No.4080839]

>>4080567
Caveshit was really popular in 2008, not anymore. Now the whole gender is dead. Good riddance though, I'd rather the gender die than see it flooded with bullet hells.

[Anonymous No.4080840]

>>4080834
>being a poor game.
Is it? It's about as good as it gets on the Super Slowtendo.

[Anonymous No.4080846]

Shmups are so fucking basic anyway, you just dodge shit and shoot things, eventually fire off a bomb, how the fuck can some game be good and another one be bad when it's all the same shit.

[Anonymous No.4080853]

Why are you faggots so elitist?

[Anonymous No.4080854]

There is literally nothing wrong with credit feeding.

[Anonymous No.4080907]

>>4080846

Platformers are so fucking basic anyway, you just dodge shit and attack things, eventually fight a boss, how the fuck can some game be good and another one be bad when it's all the same shit.

[Anonymous No.4080910]

>>4080907
Well, platformer fans don't fucking DEMAND that all games play the exact same

[Anonymous No.4080913]

>>4080907
How the fuck is axelay a bad game you fucking autist faggot sack of monkey cum autist son of a bitch piece of shit bacteria ding dong penis tits faggot homosexual fairy communist idiot dumb fuck fag

[Anonymous No.4080918]

>>4080907
Is Axelay too easy for you? Can't you fucking enjoy an easy game? Why does everything need to be a pissing contest in your desperate try hard mind.

[Anonymous No.4080928]

>>4080913
you called him a faggot twice

[Anonymous No.4080935]

>>4080913
The hori stages are nothing special and the vertical stages look retarded.

I'd rather play R-Type III or Thunder Spirits.

[Anonymous No.4080971]

>>4080935
>Thunder Spirits
hot garbage

[Anonymous No.4080980]

who wore it better?

[Anonymous No.4080981]

>>4080935
Ionno man the vert stages mode 7 look great in my opinion. Still you're only judging a game by its graphics. Fucking shitty pleb opinion.

[Anonymous No.4080987]

>>4080980
NES version.

[Anonymous No.4080990]

>>4080980
Yeah I really prefer the Sega remake, arcade looks dumb and childish in my opinion. It ain't even nostalgic childish like Wonder Boy it's just bad and gay.

[Anonymous No.4080997]

>>4080980
Oh look, it's hibachi

[Anonymous No.4081006]

>>4080997
Fuck off, CAVE babby.

[Anonymous No.4081027]

>>4080834
>if you don't hate Axelay, you are a "defensive nintendo fan".
Okay.
It's not a secret that people here have a lot of bias for brands, both positive and negative. The wonders of marketing.

[Anonymous No.4081041]

>>4080840
The other konami games on the console were better, but Axelay is ok

[Anonymous No.4081048]

Axelay is cool gateway game.

[Anonymous No.4081156]

>>4081027
But all retro games are easily accessible now. There's no reason to still have brand wars over them, except to ironic shitpost.

[Anonymous No.4081251]

>>4080935
>I'd rather play R-Type III
I was just playing that for the first time

I'm surprised it's not total garbage, Super R-Type sure as hell is

[Anonymous No.4081272]

what is your opinion of MUSHA for the sega mega drive also known as the genesis?

i think it is fun and the music is cool, and good

[Anonymous No.4081280]

>>4081272
It's amazing. Compile shooters are amazing.

[Anonymous No.4081284]

>>4081272
It's just okay. A bit overrated.

[Anonymous No.4081285]

>>4081272
>inb4 somebody tries to trash this obviously god-tier game because it was released on a console

[Anonymous No.4081287]

>>4081272
Also look up Robo Aleste it's the sequel on Mega CD.

[Anonymous No.4081295]

>>4081272
It's alright but nothing special aside from the presentation, there are better verts on the console and even Compile has better games

[Anonymous No.4081297]

>>4081295
>even Compile has better games
Such as?

[Anonymous No.4081303]

>>4081297
Super Aleste

[Anonymous No.4081328]

>>4081272
Not bad, but has erratic difficulty and terrible pacing (like most Cumpile shooters). I appreciate it for innovating the aimable option setup though, and it has amazing FM synth music.

[Anonymous No.4081634]

>>4080980
i've watched footage, arcade is proven to be superior again.

[Anonymous No.4081649]

>>4081303
it's like the most boring parts of musha where nothing happens are combined into a long-ass game. music and graphics, while ok, are nowhere near musha.
>>4081297
GG Aleste 2.

[Anonymous No.4081653]

>>4081634
It's really not, but the MD game is just marginally better anyway

[Anonymous No.4081665]

>>4081649
>it's like the most boring parts of musha where nothing happens are combined into a long-ass game.
Yeah maybe if you are a retard who plays it on default difficulty, on Wild the game is 10x more hectic than Musha.
Forgot Robo Aleste which is also better than musha

[Anonymous No.4081676]

>>4081665
musha and their other shmups are more enjoyable even on defaults, difficulty can't fix a fundamentaly boring game.

[Anonymous No.4081679]

>>4081665
>Yeah maybe if you are a retard who plays it on default difficulty, on Wild the game is 10x more hectic than Musha.
That's interesting, what's the difference among the difficulties anyway? Everything above and below Normal seems to unleash a million revenge bullets all over the screen.

[Anonymous No.4081681]

>>4081676
Difficulty is a fundamental part of shmups you newfag retard, most compile games have baby difficulties on default for consoleplebs so you have to increase the difficulty if you want something more on par with arcades.

[Anonymous No.4081685]

>>4081679
The typical stuff, enemy agressiveness (faster bullets/rate), density + tons of revenge bullets, it makes a huge difference however. Musha even on hard isn't all that exciting to play.

[Anonymous No.4081705]

I wonder if Compile was the first company to invent revenge bullets with Gun-Nac.

[Anonymous No.4081710]

>>4081705
No they aren't, their revenge bullets method seems kinda cloned from Gradius

[Anonymous No.4081712]

>>4081681
>Difficulty is a fundamental part of shmups you newfag retard
Difficulty is a fundamental part of videogames you newfag retard, but it can't make a shit game better.
>so you have to increase the difficulty if you want something more on par with arcades.
it's still going to be nowhere near arcade-tight, super aleste of the most consolized shmups there is, absolute garbage pacing, yeah you can die on hardest difficulty wow, but it's still repetetive and padded out.

[Anonymous No.4081713]

>>4081710
Ah yes that is correct. Thanks for clarification.

[Anonymous No.4081714]

>>4081712
>super aleste of the most
is one of the most

[Anonymous No.4081715]

I much rather have higher difficulties selectable from a menu than having to sit through an entire fucking loop to reach it. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.4081716]

>>4081712
You already proved you didn't even play it on Wild you retarded fuck, why are you even replying, Even if you don't like it saying Musha is better is absolutely delusional, that crap has way worse pacing and many more dead time

[Anonymous No.4081718]

That's a good point about the pacing in Super Aleste, though. There's actually an in-game cheat that shows the in-game rank value going up and down all the time and some of the later sections and undoubtedly much easier than the earlier ones. The difficulty curve is more of an oscillating wave than an upwards one.

[Anonymous No.4081721]

>>4081716
i've played it a bit and i saw full run on wild with player's commentary, total snoozefest
>Even if you don't like it saying Musha is better is absolutely delusional, that crap has way worse pacing and many more dead time
look at this traveler from alternative universe. musha is far better paced, if only becouse it wasn't designed for snes. while it's overrated, it's still better than this methodical crap.

[Anonymous No.4081726]

>>4081721
>if only becouse it wasn't designed for snes
Oh so you are one of those fanboy little shits who judge a game's quality by the console it's on, no doubt you think Musha is better you fucking drone.

[Anonymous No.4081730]

>>4081726
>who judge a game's quality by the console it's on
nope, snes while a good console, wasn't good for shmups, there is reason why it has so few compared to md. and there are good shmups on it, but this isn't one of them, becouse crutches can't make a game designed for console players by purely console dev more arcade.

[Anonymous No.4081739]

>>4081730
>snes while a good console wasn't good for shmups
I love how retarded Sega fanboys keep forcing this meme, the SFC has some of the best horis out there, it lacks in vertical shooters but stuff like Aero Fighters or Super Aleste (which is way more hectic than Musha) proves the console has no problem handling them. The MD is pretty solid at vertical ones like Toaplan stuff, but their horis were mostly mediocre and few compare to Konami or Irem games

[Anonymous No.4081742]

>>4081739
>but their horis were mostly mediocre
You don't like Toaplan games, I take it?

[Anonymous No.4081749]

>>4081742
I love Toaplan but they were bad at horis, Hellfire turned out a little better in the MD due to Masaya's help but Zero wing is meh.

[Anonymous No.4081750]

>>4081739
horis are basically platformers with flying and auto-scrolling, of course they did well on snes.

[Anonymous No.4081758]

>>4081750
>he proved me wrong so I'll reply with another meme
segafags never change

[Anonymous No.4081759]

>>4081758
>he doesn't think nintendo/super alest is perfect so he must be sega/musha fanboy!
retards never change

[Anonymous No.4081765]

>>4081759
You already proved you are a retarded fanboy many posts before when you said Super Aleste was bad because it was a snes game you autistic piece of shit, no point in rationalizing with retarded drones like you

[Anonymous No.4081767]

>>4081750
This is advanced shitposting.

[Anonymous No.4081775]

>>4081765
>when you said Super Aleste was bad because it was a snes game you autistic piece of shit
i said that it's designed with snes hardware in mind, not that it's shit just becouse it's on snes.

[Anonymous No.4081778]

>>4081775
Come on you lying fag you said Musha was better than Super aleste just because it wasn't a SNES game which is complete fanboy bullshit

[Anonymous No.4081785]

>>4081778
Oh and again if you want a good aleste game on sega play Robo aleste which is way better than the overrated crap that is musha

[Anonymous No.4081793]

>>4081778
>you said Musha was better than Super aleste just because it wasn't a SNES game which is complete fanboy bullshit
nope lol

[Anonymous No.4081796]

technically super aleste much better than musha
musha is simple game, but has unique setting

[Anonymous No.4082627]

>>4081297
Blazing Lazers

[Anonymous No.4082637]

>>4081739
>but their horis were mostly mediocre and few compare to Konami or Irem games
>Thunder Force IV
>Battle Mania 2
>mediocre

Fucking SNESfags and their garbo taste.

[Anonymous No.4082760]

>>4067613

[Anonymous No.4082782]

>>4082637
>>Battle Mania 2
Ehhh that game is casual as fuck, I can easily counter stop the core and gain a million extra lives and I'm horrible at shmups.

[Anonymous No.4082909]

Stop fighting guys, why don't we just accept that both SNES and Mega Drive had good shooters, independently from the on-spec papers and marketing campaigns of each system?

[Anonymous No.4082926]

>>4082909
Because fuck slowdown and fuck Super Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.4082961]

what do people mean by loop. Like certain segments of a level?

[Anonymous No.4082968]

>>4082637
Thunder Force 4 is good, Battle Mania is casual shit with good presentation. Thunder Force 4 alone can't compete with Parodius series, Gradius III, R-Type 3, Area 88, Axelay, Macross, Biometal, Sorry segafag

[Anonymous No.4082975]

I can't stop playing this game. It's the hardest thing I've ever played in my life. Nothing else in life seems to matter.

Also people who say level 9 is harder than level 7 and 10 need to get their heads examined. Just learn to dodge the cubes bro

[Anonymous No.4082978]

>>4082637
TF4 is good, Battle Mania 2 is casual shit with good presentations. But TF4 alone can't compete with Parodius series, R-Type 3, Gradius III Area 88, Macross, Axelay, Biometal etc. sorry segafag.

>>4082926
>muh slowdown
Tons of MD games have slowdowns too you delusional fanboy retard

[Anonymous No.4083139]

>>4082978
>Parodius series
da and gokujo are better in arcades, jikkyo is better on the saturn/psx

>R-Type 3
worst r-type after final

>Gradius III
better in arcades

>Area 88
better in arcades

>Macross
ok

>Axelay
trash

>Biometal
ok

meanwhile md has good horis like gaiares, biohazard battle, fantasy zone 3, wings of wor, hellfire, darius 2, etc.

>Tons of MD games have slowdowns too you delusional fanboy retard
not as severe as snes though

also lay off the madhoms

[Anonymous No.4083142]

>>4082926
Stop being a drone and enjoy games for what they are, not the console its released that you personally have a hateboner with.

[Anonymous No.4083247]

>>4083139
>gokujo are better in arcades

SNES version has Goemon and Kid Dracula

[Anonymous No.4083302]

>>4083139
>da and gokujo are better in arcades
No they aren't you uneducated faggot, Da's arcade version is absolutely retarded and was severely improved in the console versions with fixed issues and more content.

>worst r-type after final
Nah fuck you R-Type Leo and Final are way worse than 3, 3 is a bit worse than 1 and 2 but still a quality title.

>Area 88 better in arcade
Are you retarded? the SNES version has a lot more content is also much more challenging than the piss easy arcade, you are just proving that you know jackshit about what you are talking about.

>Axelay is trash
Said who, some faggot that is still stuck in 16-bits console wars? lmao

>meanwhile the md has good horis like
>Gaiares
Gaiares is damn average, more on par with EDF or Phalanx than the top horis on the SNES
>Gynoug
Same case as Gaiares, the game has some cool presentation but gameplaywise it's nothing special and can't compete with the top SNES ones.

>Darius 2
Better on arcade, plus the snes has Darius Force which is a pretty good exclusive.

>Hellfire
It's alright but Toaplan horis were never as good as Konami/Irem ones, they knew that.

>Biohazard battle
Fun Irem clone, not outstanding though.

sorry megafaggot but you lose again

[Anonymous No.4083325]

>>4083302
>complains about console wars
>acts like a pretentious SNESfag

Oh the irony.

[Anonymous No.4083339]

>>4083325
Nah I can admit the MD has an awesome selection of vert shooters and a decent but not great selection of horis, for the other faggot anything coming from the SNES is just shit, learn the difference

[Anonymous No.4083385]

>>4083325

Who wants to bet he's the same sperglord that goes around spamming "Treasure is overrated" whenever one of their games is mentioned?

[Anonymous No.4083392]

>>4083385
That guy must have made you really butthurt, you're always calling him out at random people.

[Anonymous No.4083395]

>>4083385
No I'm not you paranoid piece of shit, but I bet you are the sperg spamming threads about them being the best retro company every week

[Anonymous No.4083398]

>>4083395
>accuses ME of being the anti-treasure
Yeah not paranoid at all.

[Anonymous No.4083401]

>>4083385
kys Treasurefag

[Anonymous No.4083407]

treasure isn't bad but treasurefags are a cancer bunch

[Anonymous No.4083415]

>>4083407
They're just so incredibly easy to bait. Guaranteed that they're outsiders from reddit or some other safe space community.

[Anonymous No.4083442]

>>4083415
>They're just so incredibly easy to bait
It's the other way around, the anti-Treasurefag is the easy one to bait. Just mention Ikaruga.

[Anonymous No.4083448]

>>4083385
I don't know if it's just one or more anti-treasure guys, but I remember when asked why did he hate Treasure so much, months ago, he said that Nintendo fanboys overrate them or something (despite many Treasure games being on Sega systems, I don't know why he said that), so it's a possibility.

I just think the anti-treasure shitposting is just typical internet contrarianism. It's not meant to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.4083456]

>>4083442
Both of you are easy to bait and should be exiled from /vr/ tbf

[Anonymous No.4083465]

I don't think anyone here is legit anti-Treasure or anti-anything related to shmups. It's just shitposters being shitposters. Except for Australia-kun, he's been proven to be anti-Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.4083473]

>>4083465
>you will never know Australia-kun's dark past and how he developed that irrational hatred for Nintendo

[Anonymous No.4083475]

>>4082961
Loop = New Game
2nd Loop = New Game Plus
3rd Loop = New Game Plus Plus

Except it's continuous without interruption unlike other genres

[Anonymous No.4083479]

>>4082961
When you beat the last boss the game repeats from first stage with higher difficulty. That's a loop.

[Anonymous No.4083480]

>>4083473
>Jade will never give you two rides

[Anonymous No.4083730]

>>4083339
but md horis are cool monster games like insector x and wings of wor

[Anonymous No.4083790]

What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.4083882]

Is there such a thing as a good euroshmup?

[Anonymous No.4083919]

>>4083882
Aye, there be.

[Anonymous No.4083927]

>>4083919
But that's japanese.

[getting bit by a duck No.4083970]

>>4080846
I disagree, because axelay has stellar athmopshere a bit of creepy horror if you are a kid. It's the contra3 of shmups

[Anonymous No.4084589]

>>4083927
Regardless, it feels a bit euroshmuppy in design, like U.N. Squadron.

[Anonymous No.4084643]

>>4061862
>>4061889

>castle shitgame

Does the shmup community dislike this game?
If so, what is wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.4084782]

>>4084589
it's a console, not euro design, euro design is retardation like undodgable patterns.

[Anonymous No.4085294]

Holy hot damn, why did nobody tell me about Eliminate Down? This game is fuckin good.

[Anonymous No.4085812]

Ikaruga is babby's first bullet hell. Also, fuck Treasure.

[Anonymous No.4085894]

>>4084643
nothing wrong with it, it just pales massively in comparison to 2 and 3 to the extent they should of skipped it.

[Anonymous No.4085908]

>>4083247
Right, but it has that shitty slowdown-when-you-shoot effect that Gradius III SNES had.

[Anonymous No.4086609]

>>4085812
Agree