What went wrong?

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Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 04:52:48 No.4042616 [Reply] [Original]

What went wrong?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:00:00 No.4042625 Oh hai Johnny I didn't know it was you

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:00:36 No.4042626 The only thing bigger than his coding expertise was his ego.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:02:50 No.4042629 >>4042616 BOB?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:05:29 No.4042637 >>4042616 Nobody wanted to be his bitch

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:14:21 No.4042643

>>4042616
he started playing too much multiplayer DOOM @ work

that was literally it

he went from being obsessed with creating games, to simply obsessed just playing them

online gaming ruined him

but with it, all the creativity was thrown out the window at Id

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:23:23 No.4042649

>>4042616
im actually friends with him. i won't divulge details, but most of us know them anyway, but basically he was hot headed, let his ego get the best of him, landed hard on his face, took a while pulling himself together and now he's just satisfied to entertain people with whatever idea interests him at the moment.

whoever he was in the 90s, i dont think he's that guy anymore. I haven't met many other people who've been so happy, humble and just glad to have been part of something classic.

john mightve been a hot mess for a while, but hes pretty cool now.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:38:28 No.4042662 >>4042626 The only thing bigger than his coding expertise was his newly appointed PR agency.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 05:52:22 No.4042680 >>4042649 >my dad works at nintendo

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 06:08:21 No.4042698

>>4042616
I can't wait to see what he comes up with for his new FPS.

People doubt him because of Daikatana but here's the difference: for Daikatana he wanted to create something elaborate and new, and obviously it fell flat on its face.

This time around he just wants to make a classic style shooter. He posted those new Doom maps he made and said that his new game would be of a similar design philosophy.

Romero KNOWS how to make a classic style shooter, and he's got Adrian Carmack doing the art style. This could be the best FPS we've had in a very long time, since 97's Shadow Warrior/Blood. Can't wait to see it. Only problem is he's relying on kickstarter (which in fairness is a pretty big negative seeing as KS projects are usually shite). We'll see if he pulls it off; really hope he does. They tried starting the KS funding but it didn't meet its target, so he said that he'll show a demo first that will hopefully get more money.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 06:12:29 No.4042705 >>4042698 I wonder how Daikatana would have turned out if he would have just stuck with the Quake 1 engine instead. And you'd think 3D realms would learn that jumping from engine to engine is not a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 06:20:04 No.4042713 >>4042616 he sucked it down himself

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 06:26:36 No.4042715 >>4042680 Do you think people would do that? Just go on the Internet and lie?

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 06:47:46 No.4042738

Daikatana, after that he pretty much went on to do nothing special or memorable, working on some 2D spess game no one cares about and that one cartoon network game for the GBA, which is quite a damn shame. I'm kinda hoping his new FPS ends up being pretty cool, but then again, it will probably end up being Daikatana 2.0 for all we know.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 06:58:11 No.4042750 >>4042649 once i met romero in the street he pushed me down, squated down my mouth and made me his bitch i was too afraid to report it to the police so it never left las vegas

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 07:39:06 No.4042806 >>4042649 people tend to become pretty humbled after creating something wildly successful only to fall flat on their face and become an industry joke later on

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 08:20:28 No.4042865

>>4042649
I saw John Romero at a grocery store in Los Angeles a couple years back. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 08:21:17 No.4042868 File: 152 KB, 1290x488, Daikatana meta fix.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Daikatana

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 08:32:29 No.4042884 File: 399 KB, 1800x880, whathappen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042616

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 08:34:04 No.4042889 >>4042884 JUST

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 08:46:43 No.4042903 File: 580 KB, 2728x880, ww.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042884

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 08:53:09 No.4042915 >>4042903 Thank God Romero didn't decide to be a little girl.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 09:19:51 No.4042941 >>4042616 Good ideas guy but just that. Most of his ideas were scrapped for Quake 1 anyways and Daikatana is unplayable without the patch that removes AI parters and after you remove it you're stuck with a mediocre shooter with a few neat ideas.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 09:26:17 No.4042948 File: 65 KB, 167x157, 1436912840708.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042903

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 10:02:03 No.4042976 >>4042865 I was gonna post this.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 10:13:50 No.4042991 >>4042976 it wasn't funny when that anon posted it

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 10:44:14 No.4043024 File: 13 KB, 480x360, LIES.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042715

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 10:56:27 No.4043041

I remember reading this article about Daikatana and the production of it, he'd drop millions on a movie theater for his staff, retarded and outrageous parties, etc. Romero struck me as one of those 90s early tech/geek stars who won the lottery but wasn't responsible enough to manage his winnings.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 11:13:13 No.4043065 >>4042616 >What went wrong? It's easier if we list what went RIGHT with John Romero: Deu Sex

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 11:33:16 No.4043101

Somebody thought it was a good idea to put a 20-something who had only developed shareware games with a group of friends at near zero risk in charge of a company that literally had to see multi-million dollar profits just to break even.

Forget the quality of any games that followed. 90% of the blame falls on the publishers who trusted this kid to get results based on his previous success with a then dead distribution model.

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>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 12:10:29 No.4043160 >>4043128 DELET

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 14:22:14 No.4043309 >>4042865 Beat me to it

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 14:27:41 No.4043319 >>4042616 He greenlit Deus Ex when Origin/EA didn't see promise in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 15:05:09 No.4043363 >>4043101 And yet John Carmack, who was quite younger if I recall; went on to be well respected in not only the gaming industry, but also programming in general and rocket science

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 15:07:01 No.4043368 >>4042698 >This could be the best FPS we've had in a very long time, Hi John, how is Ireland treating you?

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 18:42:16 No.4043802

I'm part way through Masters of Doom, and it seems to me that the guy was an egotistical asshole. He was nice to you if you were doing something he liked but if you were not you were kicked out. But since he was a good programmer and a good design guys everyone got drawn into his enthusiasm which fed his ego until e thought he was a god and could do no wrong.

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 19:09:05 No.4043861

>>4043802
I don't how people keeping reading Masters of Doom, a very humanizing and nuanced depiction of a team with lots of variables accounting for their success and failures, and coming away with these retarded good guy/bad guy black/white characterizations.

Retards always want to boil everything down to a soundbite for their tiny peabrains, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 19:14:01 No.4043873 suk it down bitch

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 19:14:35 No.4043875 >>4043861 >Retards always want to boil everything down to a soundbite for their tiny peabrains, I guess. dis

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 19:43:35 No.4043936 >>4043861 Shut up John, you were a raging douchenozzle no matter what you say.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 19:45:04 No.4043939 >>4043936 >Shut up John this meme is so cringy

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 19:52:34 No.4043948 >>4043802 >He was nice to you if you were doing something he liked but if you were not you were kicked out. Could you give some examples? Because that sentence right there sounds fairly reasonable to me, without having read the book.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 20:08:19 No.4043970 >>4043939 well /v/ is leaking once again and the autistic kids are shitposting all over /vr/, /vg/ and /tg/, so... ignore it

Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 20:29:08 No.4044005
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>>4043101
>only developed shareware games
You say that as if shareware wasn't the defacto fucking way to sell games back then. You'd be more idiotic to hire someone who didn't even make not even a shareware title but many and perhaps the most successful one in the history of gaming from both a financial and gaming standpoint that did much to progress gaming as whole.

>>4042616
Buggy as fuck game, bad enemy and AI design. The multiplayer was tight though.

It could have been a solid game with some decent code and reworking.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 20:45:22 No.4044036 >>4042616 Too much freedom. An artist needs limits.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 20:51:23 No.4044043 >>4042629 Didn't know Doopler made his money working in the videogame industry

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 20:52:39 No.4044047 >>4043319 He went to recruit Warren Spector for Ion Storm.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 20:54:45 No.4044052 >>4043128 What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 21:13:59 No.4044092 >>4044052 that you can make a blanket statement based on the bad luck of buying a faulty item. Usually you just make use of your warranty or just replace it, not so with this OC autist author also Daikatana sux lol

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jun 6, 2017 22:07:56 No.4044190 >>4042616 Adult Swim Cancelled his show, Metalocalypse, so now poor Nathan is out of work?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 00:54:59 No.4044450 >>4044005 what the fuck is up with that stuttering?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 01:23:25 No.4044490 >>4042649 am John can confirm

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 06:12:55 No.4044902 >>4043128 >this one still works >removes cover Well, that took care of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 06:29:46 No.4044917 >>4042865 Who's the celeberity in the original version of this copypasta? First time I ever saw it it was about Bruce Campbell and I assumed it was true (honestly believable.)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 06:31:34 No.4044923 >>4044490 >am John How's that holodeck game (that you wanted people to fund when all you had were scribbles on paper) coming Johnny boy?

Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 06:41:00 No.4044932
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>>4042616
I think... Nothing, just he hesitated and handled shit wrong way and worked with wrong people after leaving iD.

>>4042649
Cool story, yet I believe it.

>>4042698
Same. I hope he keeps it simple and reflex based.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 08:31:51 No.4045040 romerito pls

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 12:44:57 No.4045365 >>4044450 Recording software sucked balls.It was some time ago, probably shitting itself over the fact that it was recording 1024x768@100fps

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 12:46:04 No.4045368 >>4042698 >since 97's Shadow Warrior/Blood. So, not very.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 12:49:35 No.4045371 >>4045368 20 years is a heck of a long time, grandpa.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 20:04:41 No.4046061 >>4044917 Johnny Depp I believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 20:06:45 No.4046065 >>4042698 Also his new Doom maps were fucking awesome and were meant as a test to see if he's still got it. He's definitely still got it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 20:32:45 No.4046096 >>4044092 >he doesn't know about ibm deathstar

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 21:49:03 No.4046246 File: 35 KB, 570x328, 80f66a679eb71b6a597365a68f0b4ae36a5799da880d48c189643b8f52dc427c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042625 butt

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 21:50:06 No.4046248 File: 16 KB, 1048x173, bitch romaro.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042637

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 21:53:40 No.4046256 >>4046246 Why is a guy who love to piss off the media and liberals in the 90s so SJW? Same thing for Jon St. Jon, voiced Duke Nukem yet for some reason is anti-gun and anti-conservative

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 21:53:50 No.4046257 >>4046246 God is everyone who uses twitter a huge crybaby faggot? Social media is cancer and even Carmack sold out to Cuckerberg.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 22:17:32 No.4046294 >>4046248 >made 3 maps for Doom 1 Nope. He also made utilities for working on the game. John Romero was very much a key person for Doom 1.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jun 7, 2017 22:29:37 No.4046326 >>4046256 Liberals changed, they used to be all edgy and shit, and now they're all PC, that and Romero pretty much growing up and becoming a modern Califag programmer kinda contributed to it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 00:30:00 No.4046530 >>4046256 he's gen x. who knows what they think never meet your heroes though. nothing like making something cool and then shoving your politics down everyone's throat.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 01:03:49 No.4046573 "I came here to chew ass and kick gum, and I'm all out of ass"; Dick Kick'em

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 01:21:15 No.4046595 >>4046326 >growing up welp

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 01:40:19 No.4046616 >>4042616 R O C K S T A R L I F E S T Y L E

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 01:50:07 No.4046631

>>4046248
He layed down the key principles on making a good map though.

Provide landmarks
If you can see part of a level you should be able to get there
Provide unique details to the environment so that 2 rooms do not look same even if they use same textures
If same shit can be done in inferior engine (Wolf for Doom, Doom for Quake, etc.) Redo your shit completely.

Those principles may seem like common sense now, but look back at most 90's shooters and you will see that any shooter that did not adhere to them was inferior in level design department and got quickly forgotten.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 01:56:13 No.4046641 >>4042626 Wasn't he a level designer, not a coder?

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 03:38:58 No.4046818

>>4046641
No. He had multiple hats. He was programmer and level designer and on other games he's worked on audio, producer, design, consultant.
For Doom in the credits he's credited with design, level design, tools programming, and programming.
He knows how to code because that's how he got his job at softdisk.

He's also very likely to be the one playing in some of the the Doom Demos since he was a good player and a few are played by someone who was much more advanced player than everyone else with mouse movement (which was rarer at the time)

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 03:57:13 No.4046836
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>>4042616
tucked in T-shirts, couldn't make a game in an era when things were getting more complex with story and objectives like in Goldeneye for the 64. Doom was nothing but running and gunning to music to find keys and secrets. He got left in the past as did his weird eighties thrash metal look.

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 04:25:02 No.4046872
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Well, apparently he wanted to make us his bitch, but we were a bunch of teen boys reading video game magazines. Also, on top of being his bitch, he wanted us to "suck it down". Then after insulting us in such an egotistical, pedophile way, he released an average at best shooter for the '64 called "Daikatana".

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 04:45:03 No.4046901 >>4046872 He released shooter for PC. '64 version is a different game entirely made by different people (Kemco)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 04:53:28 No.4046913 >>4042616 His own game made him its bitch

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 06:15:38 No.4047007 >>4046872 He also didn't want any of that. Marketing did all that without his knowledge.

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 07:53:10 No.4047091

>>4046326
>modern Califag programmer
This is exactly right. The Silicon Valley programmer culture is an ungodly mix of the oversensitive and self-indulgent ("did you seriously just assume xer pronouns?!?!") and the maniacal and self-destructive ("at our company we are proud to work 100 hour weeks!"). I seriously hope the next tech company hub is going to be a saner place.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 08:07:09 No.4047102 >>4047007 >without his knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 08:11:38 No.4047110 >>4046246 Sad!

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 09:51:46 No.4047228

Romero was an idiot but Carmack isn't much better. There's a reason that Gabe Newell's has $4.1 billion while Carmack only has $40 million.

Id as a whole completely wasted their potential. They pioneered and popularized so many things, if they had played their cards right they could have been a leading giant on the gaming industry, alongside the likes of Valve and Blizzard. But now they're Bethesda's bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 09:59:13 No.4047241 i take it most of you dont care for the new Doom? I played it. doesnt feel like a doom game at all except for the obvious throwbacks.

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 10:00:09 No.4047243

>>4047228
Gabe Newell made that much money because he forced a digital distribution service down people's throats. id could have gone down the engine developer path like Epic but Carmack said he wasn't interested in providing support and just wanted to work on games and new tech.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 10:01:13 No.4047247 >>4047243 Also Gabe was rich before founding Valve.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 10:52:55 No.4047306 >>4046631 Did Rise of the Triad obey by them?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 11:00:46 No.4047317 >>4047241 It's a Serious Sam game.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 11:48:56 No.4047403 >>4047007 >>4047102 >reluctantly approved by Romero I stand corrected.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 12:01:06 No.4047417 File: 254 KB, 1000x750, romero-family.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He made a game with his wife's son.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 12:02:13 No.4047420 >>4047417 Sheeeit

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 12:14:41 No.4047450 File: 92 KB, 600x800, CgqMVp-W4AILlOF[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4047247 >>4047243 At least Randy Pitchford won the name Gearbox from Gabe.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 12:34:06 No.4047479 >>4047417 why are his nails painted

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 12:35:12 No.4047480 >>4047479 There black so I'll go with "Metal and shiet"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 13:02:38 No.4047512 >>4047228 >Carmack only has $40 million. >only has $40 million. >has $40 million. >$40 million. I'm so sad he is so poor. >>4047247 That sweet lottery money!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 13:11:05 No.4047524 >>4042616 Ego vs. Capability. Romero needed people to keep his retarded ideas in check.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 13:32:02 No.4047553 >>4047479 Cause he's a Faygo.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 13:39:28 No.4047570 >>4047553 I guess that's why he had so many divorces

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 13:42:55 No.4047579 >>4047007 dude who cares about the marketing, people would have loved it if the game was actually good.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 13:48:57 No.4047592 >>4047579 >dude who cares about the marketing

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 14:53:38 No.4047691 >>4046836 Yet Doom was still a huge success.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 16:23:44 No.4047849 Romero was a lazy fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 17:58:33 No.4048053 >>4046901 No, that's the game boy version. The 64 is just a mediocre port

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 18:18:20 No.4048084 >>4046256 It's almost as if people could distinguish fantasy power trips on your computer screen from the real world, how weird is that?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 18:39:33 No.4048117 >>4048053 no the n64 version was also developed by kemco he is right, they bought the rights and published their own versions. Its similar to the PC version but not a straight port.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 18:46:13 No.4048128 >>4048084 guns aren't autonomous objects and don't just kill people by existing. Being anti gun is retarded.

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:16:00 No.4048191 [DELETED]

>>4048128
Being so blind as to not see that America has a gun problem is retarded.
What to do about that problem is another story. It's certainly not what liberals or conservatives want and as long as they are at each others throats we will never have an actually good conversation about what is to be done.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:22:52 No.4048208 >>4042616 That swamp level, man. Fuck that.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:24:55 No.4048218 >>4048191 well more laws and taking away peoples guns certainly doesn't work just look what happened to the roman empire when they tried to take the Germanic tribes swords.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:26:48 No.4048228 >>4048218 >>4048191 >>4048128 fuck off to /pol/ you fucking retards

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:30:15 No.4048238 >>4048228 Don't send anti gun faggots to my board.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:31:55 No.4048242 >>4048238 get your /pol/ shit out of mine motherfucker

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:35:47 No.4048249 [DELETED]

>>4048242
this isn't /pol/ shit you fucking pussy it's basic god damn information. It must suck to be such a fucking cuck that everything offends you, yes I understand this is a video games board but I was talking about jon st jon, so why don't you get the fuck off my board and go back to r/ retrogaming or whatever they have on reddit.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:36:57 No.4048252 >>4048249 suck my dick bitch this is /vr/ fuck off to /pol/ and kys

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:40:39 No.4048261 File: 572 KB, 600x580, 2ec.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4048249 >so why don't you get the fuck off my board >my board Nigger you're worse than the feminists you pretend you're fighting.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:48:52 No.4048287 File: 129 KB, 960x705, 1496777235246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4048252 Did some some say this is >/VR/

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 19:52:34 No.4048297 [DELETED]

>>4048261
>>4048252
I've been on this board since it's inception and there used to be a time when you could make a controversial statement without having some 90 pound weenie throw a fit over MUH /pol/ boogeyman. I don't even go on /pol/ maybe if you think my views align with theirs it's because they're right because I am always right.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 20:07:43 No.4048323 >>4042649 This is fairly believable tbf.

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 21:45:42 No.4048449 [DELETED]

>>4048191
You know Hitler was anti-gun. Also, a lot of those gun statistics include suicides, homicides in self-defense and accidents. Not to mention that the majority of gun crime takes place in inner cities, where you are most likely dealing with an unlicensed firearm. So yeah, we have a problem with our inner cities, not guns in general.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 21:53:32 No.4048460 File: 1 KB, 300x300, SmugFaggot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042616 >Achievement Unlocked: >The Bigger they are...

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 21:53:37 No.4048461 File: 16 KB, 250x194, 1458299898602.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4047417 FUGGGGGGGG

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 21:58:14 No.4048469 >>4046530 American McGee and Sandy Petersen seem like pretty cool dudes, though. McGee had a hard life.

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 22:20:20 No.4048506

>>4046256
>>4046326
The same reason hippies became yuppies: because after you become the man after fighting the man, you get an inflated ego and become an annoying fuck who everyone hates because you have to grandstand about how self-righteous you are. It's the reason why I ignore most celebrities that try to say anything about politics in the slightest: they're ot of touch and out of their mind.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 22:23:21 No.4048518 >>4048469 yeah man its amazing how well adjusted he is for having such fucked up parents. Deadbeat dad and a dumbass hippy bitch for a mom poor guy.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 22:23:37 No.4048519 >>4048469 McGee indeed had a hard life.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 22:24:28 No.4048521 >>4048506 It's the idiots fault who inflate these celebrities egos too, I dont get why anyone cares to follow that gossip its so pointless

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 22:31:31 No.4048531 File: 24 KB, 400x400, yWRigl6B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4048519 >McGee indeed had a hard life. >McGee had a number of stepfathers when growing up until his mother finally settled into a relationship with a transgender woman. JUST

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 22:59:49 No.4048586

>>4048531
why did you stop there it gets even better

>when American was sixteen, he came home from school only to find the house empty and abandoned. The only things left were his bed, his books, his clothes and his Commodore 64 computer. His mother had sold the house to pay for two plane tickets and the fee for her girlfriend's sex change operation, leaving him on his own

Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 23:05:30 No.4048592

>>4047228
The whole point is that Carmack and Romero were a perfect storm that got together in the right place at the right time. Romero had the edgy, artifact of the times radical 90's personality and game design, but Carmack had the genius to pull tricks out of his ass to make PC games able to render crazy shit.

Take the two out of the 90's and away from each other, and Romero is just an overambitious egotist, and Carmack is a programmer freak with no clear design goals beyond rendering.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 23:07:12 No.4048595 >>4048586 Someone make a damn movie out of American McGee's life.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 23:14:39 No.4048607 >>4048595 Why make a movie when you could make it a game using iD Tech 3?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 23:34:48 No.4048640 File: 39 KB, 321x322, 1493080000366.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042903

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jun 8, 2017 23:52:27 No.4048665 File: 386 KB, 580x576, romero_psx.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >psx

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:15:19 No.4048713 >>4048592 >Carmack is a programmer freak with no clear design goals beyond rendering what a load of shit quake 3 is definitely better designed than quake 1 or doom ever was

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:23:32 No.4048743 >>4048713 >Ignoring that Quake II wasn't as good as it would been with Romero.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:26:17 No.4048747

>>4048743
when you mention quake 2 and romero, daikatana immediately comes to mind
quake 3 would have been a poorly designed mess instead of the ultra tight shooter it is now
it's also carmack's favorite game he worked on and last where he was involved in design

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:30:33 No.4048758 >>4048747 Is Adrian Carmack's favourite game, not the Carmack that is a programmer.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:33:07 No.4048762 >>4048665 To be fair this is literally a developmental copy which fully justifies "PSX"

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:33:17 No.4048763 >>4048758 wrong https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/06/15-years-of-ars-the-ones-who-redefined-gaming-music-and-tech-policy/ tired of this meme that carmack hates video games and just cares about tech

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:43:22 No.4048785 >>4048665 added to arsenal of arguments

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:50:48 No.4048813 >>4048763 There it says that his favourite is 3, not 2. So I was right.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:51:36 No.4048815 >>4048813 amazing reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:55:07 No.4048821 Absolutely nothing, Daikatana is a masterpiece and whoever disagrees is just parroting the common dumb opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:57:23 No.4048827 >>4044005 More webms please

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 00:59:30 No.4048830 >>4048821 you have to delusional to believe this the multiplayer is pretty neat but the singleplayer is only playable with fan patches that remove one of the biggest selling points of the game

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 01:20:24 No.4048873 >>4048758 What are the odds of two Carmacks working in the same studio that are unrelated?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 01:22:50 No.4048878 File: 118 KB, 800x798, id__1993-b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >id software in 1993 >would YOU have invested?.jpg

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 01:55:22 No.4048927

>>4048713
>quake 3 is definitely better designed than quake 1 or doom ever was
From a a technical perspective or a gameplay perspective? Because from gameplay perspective, no it's not. Both Q1 and Doom are better game choices for having single player which is a gigantic boon in Q3 which bot only play. Doom's multiplayer is balanced like ass though. Quake 1 has the best balance of all of them for single and multiplayer, as well as better movement. Q3's best thing is better built in level design though. Most built in maps for Q1DM are shit, there's only really two actual good ones the others are mediocre to very bad. Though you can always download better maps.

Technical wise, well yeah.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:04:21 No.4048945

>>4048927
>Quake 1 has the best balance of all of them for single and multiplayer
this is how i know you don't play quakeworld
please don't tell me how 300dps lightning gun and 80% damage reduction red armor is balanced when quakeworld is the most spawn rapey arena shooter there is

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:09:40 No.4048952 >>4048945 80% damage reduction that goes straight to 200 armor I should add.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:10:29 No.4048954

>>4048945
Oh, it's you again isn't it. That fucking retard who keeps posting that Quakeworld is unbalanced because he's shit at it and then complains that people who've played it for years never played it.

I remember you and you weren't interested in discussion before either, so go fucking troll reddit where you belong.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:11:42 No.4048956 >>4048954 lol wtf are you on about? what's your ingame name?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:17:01 No.4048958 >>4048956 xXxMLGw33dSn1p4xXx 1v1 and we'll see whose wrong bro!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:18:50 No.4048962 >>4048958 104.237.158.248:28502

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 02:41:28 No.4048985 >>4048962 still no reply or anyone connecting to the server guess you're all talk

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 04:07:58 No.4049086 >>4046256 He's Mexican, it's personal for him.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 05:11:45 No.4049183 >>4049086 Isn't Romero an Italian name?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 05:11:49 No.4049184 >>4046256 If Jon St. Jon ever quits voicing Duke Nukem because of politics they should just get LGR.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 05:21:03 No.4049196 >>4049183 Nope, Spanish. John Romero is a beaner, sorry you had to find out this way. Also, Harrison Ford is a Jew.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 05:35:44 No.4049207 >>4049196 >>4049183 I thought it was pretty obvious Romero has Indian blood. I mean, it is probably part of the reason he keeps his hair long.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 05:36:50 No.4049209

>>4046248
>Sandy gave the game character
Fuck off.

All his maps that weren't 90% done by Tom Hall are complete shit. Sandy Peterson ruined Doom II. American's maps are fun as fuck and make you think you're in for a great game and then comes the avalanche of Sandy Peterson suckage.

Fuck you and fuck Sandy Peterson.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 06:50:20 No.4049268
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>>4046246

>tfw i voted for trump but didn't unfollow him on twitter

>>4046256

Romero was always a bit liberal. I remember on him ragging on Bush on his forums back in the mid 00s. Trump's anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric probably pushed him over the edge.

And here's a fun fact: Romero and his wife are in favor of gun control, despite the man being behind several bloody games where firearms were the way you killed enemies.

>>4048592

This is true. Romero at his prime was very much a product of the early to mid 90s XTREME movement. Take him out of that time period and and he loses a lot of his luster and edge.

Current Romero is a middle-aged guy trying (and failing) to be the edgy 20-something he was back in the early 90s that loved all the over-the-top stuff that was made back then, even though the 2010s are about "deep stories", "sending a message", "emotive characters and plots", and "cinematic experiences", not "running around in heavy metal-inspired gorefests really fast, blowing up monsters that look like they came from a high schooler's notebook with ridiculous weapons". This makes him seem like an anachronism.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 07:13:48 No.4049290 >>4046248 Romero did most of Knee-Deep in the Dead which is the best part of Doom 1.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 07:15:39 No.4049293 >>4049290 Also Sandy did all of inferno and inferno was shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 07:51:48 No.4049326 File: 230 KB, 945x1154, mari23.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4049268 I want to fuck Mari Illustrious so hard

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 08:24:30 No.4049347 File: 95 KB, 600x425, romero-big.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone know which level he's working on?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 08:26:56 No.4049350 >>4048469 American got fired from ID after Carmack told him nobody liked him. He uploads videos now of himself sailing around southeast Asia. Dude turned his life around completely and is living the dream. https://www.youtube.com/user/obnard/videos

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 10:09:25 No.4049465 >>4049350 >American got fired from ID after Carmack told him nobody liked him Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 10:13:40 No.4049468 File: 58 KB, 680x661, 6ee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4049350 Perhaps he's wondering why someone would tell him no one likes him before firing him from the company.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 11:15:34 No.4049558 >>4049465 It's in Masters of Doom. Carmack called American into a room and told him they were letting him go. When American asked why, Carmack straight up told him it was because nobody liked him.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 11:24:03 No.4049571 >>4042616 I... I like Daikatana

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 11:41:22 No.4049595 File: 323 KB, 500x628, .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4049571

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 11:44:44 No.4049604 >>4049347 Looks like E1M7 but I could be wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 12:11:03 No.4049648 He was a dork who made an extremely popular game and thought that made him a rockstar, but he was still just a dork with a lot of money.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 12:15:43 No.4049659 >>4048878 can someone ID these people? aside from romero and carmack

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 12:31:13 No.4049691 >>4049571 I remember downloading the multiplayer demo and being hyped. Then I got the game years later bargain bin pricing. What a fucking joke. Still played it through with cheats though.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 12:56:35 No.4049718

>>4048586
>He also mentions that his inspiration for the macabre tone of Alice comes from his disturbing, dysfunctional childhood. For instance, on McGee's 13th birthday, his father, whom he had just met for the first time, was "stinking drunk" and assaulted the young McGee by attempting to gouge his eyes out with the intent of either killing or molesting him. McGee escaped this event by suggesting they "take both of their cars" to a bar and get drunk. Luckily, the father agreed. Shortly afterwards his father was involved in a car accident. "They got no more than 100 feet away when American's dad crashed into a telephone pole."

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 13:07:59 No.4049727 >>4049718 How did he get away with driving at the age of 13?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 13:26:55 No.4049748 >>4043101 >million dollar profits to break even

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 14:17:29 No.4049816 >>4049659 cmon son. left to right top to bottom: john romero sandy petersen dave taylor american mcgee mike abrash adrian carmack kevin cloud shawn green john carmack jay wilbur

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 14:20:44 No.4049827 >>4049816 >>4048878 Why is Mike Abrash cosplaying as Peter Gabriel?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 14:25:18 No.4049836 >>4049558 That's a pretty dick reason to fire some one, especially when he got fucked over most of his life

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:39:16 No.4049982 >>4042616 >What went wrong? Mainly the hair, the pants, the shirt, the belt, the lack of activity?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:40:04 No.4049984 >>4042616

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:41:44 No.4049989

>>4049836
>That's a pretty dick reason to fire some one

imagine you are a boss. every single person including yourself does not like an employee. the employee is replaceable.

what do you do

i can tell you from talking to him for like 2 years on IRC that american mcgee has serious serious issues and seems like the type of person who could bring a gun to work or something. I would not want to work with him either.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:44:45 No.4049992 >>4046248 outright wrong and lies but ok whatever

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:45:21 No.4049993 >>4049989 >the type of person who could bring a gun to work or something Crazies usually bring a gun to work when they get fired

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:47:55 No.4049995 File: 96 KB, 435x647, 12123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4042903

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:54:08 No.4050009 >>4049816 you mixed up abrash and taylor you IDIOT

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:57:54 No.4050015 >>4049989 >guy has serious issues >potentially dangerous >tell him he's fired because nobody likes him carmack sounds like a social retard

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 15:59:00 No.4050018 >>4046836 doom released in '93 and goldeneye released in '97.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 16:00:51 No.4050023

>>4050015
carmack definitely has the autism, have you ever heard him talk?

carmack has like definitive autism
>broke into school to steal computer at 13 so he could program on it
>simply saw programming as what he needed to do and stealing as the necessary means to the end, didn't think of obvious consequences etc, was not part of the equation

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 16:01:42 No.4050025

>>4044005
>You say that as if shareware wasn't the defacto fucking way to sell games back then.

I don't think you read or at the very least you didn't comprehend the rest of that post. Shareware is a minimal risk model, was the crux of the fucking affair. Romero had never been under pressure to secure a given number of sales to avert a net loss.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 16:01:59 No.4050027 >>4047228 carmack also spent millions on his own aerospace company, armadillo aerospace. he'd probably be in the billions if he didnt do that.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 16:02:32 No.4050028

>>4050015
>>4050023
oh, i do want to leave one funny id software irc story, since i am probably the only person here who used to irc with id software (SENPAI!!)

one time john romero made me cry laughing because he said he kept waffles (a mod on #doom) in a bottle beside his bed and only opened it to jizz on his head every now and then

these were the people who made the great vidya of yesteryear, now we have InclusiDevs

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 16:07:01 No.4050034

>>4047228
>There's a reason that Gabe Newell's has $4.1 billion while Carmack only has $40 million.

probably the fact that gabe's microsoft stock options were worth more than $40 million when he left, and then he started the worlds second biggest digital distribution platform

being a top engineer and being a visionary are two different things, carmack's vision is restricted by his engineering. gabe is a designer.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 16:32:23 No.4050059 I sometimes wonder about the alternate universe where Carmack got his way and after Quake 2 he got to make a full snowcrash-esque generalized "metaverse" product like he wanted to do next, but the rest of the company shot him down.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 19:14:35 No.4050362 >>4050028 That sounds pretty lewd

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 21:48:38 No.4050642 >>4049659 >can someone ID these people >ID these people >ID Nice.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 21:56:57 No.4050654 >>4048830 It's very playable, beat it several times. I mean, no, it's no Doom or Quake 1, but it's still fucking fun.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 9, 2017 23:34:21 No.4050753

>>4049086

Why would a Mexican dislike President Trump? It doesn't make any sense. Don't all humans, and therefore all humans with any connection whatsoever to Mexico, perpetually browse forums for socially stunted young English-speaking guys all day and somehow (despite never leaving their computers) develop an extreme aversion to "SJWs" and Muslims? It just makes NO SENSE! John Romero must be misguided and a cuck, that must be the explanation.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 03:31:47 No.4051085 >>4047479 Getting manicures and pedicures are in now for everybody.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 03:48:15 No.4051105 >>4050654 only if you disable AI companions

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 04:04:05 No.4051117 >>4042616 What music does Romero listen to?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 04:17:34 No.4051126 >>4048592 We owe to carmack the most popular online Fps protocol.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 04:21:21 No.4051129 >>4042662 If I recall he didn't even know about the "Bitch" ad until after it came out. But he was a bit of a rock 'n' roll game dev, and his deathmatch addiction caused a lot of tension at ID.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 04:28:39 No.4051136 File: 9 KB, 292x200, echs internally.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4046256 >why is this hispanic guy so angry about Trump? >he must be an SJW!

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 04:32:21 No.4051140 >>4050753 >>4051136 Now, let's not turn this into yet another /pol/-tumblr cockfest.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 07:45:03 No.4051286 When did Paul Steed start with ID and why was he fired?

Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 08:21:12 No.4051319

>>4051286
Around '97. He was credited for working on Quake 2.

As for the firing, Adrian Carmack and Kevin Cloud did that because Steed was encouraging the development of Doom 3 rather than a potential new title. Steed was ambitious to work on a Doom sequel, while the two originators were growing bored of plans for another FPS title. John Carmack used Steed's leverage to convince others to work on an FPS title. As Carmack was untouchable, Steed was the next target.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 08:57:17 No.4051361 >>4051319 I kinda wonder what it had been like if we had an idtech 3 Doom 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 09:10:31 No.4051374 >>4050018 But the concepts of complex storylines and objectives existed in 1993. Id just didn't (doesn't) know how to make good games out of their tech demos.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 09:39:58 No.4051397

>>4042698
>He posted those new Doom maps he made and said that his new game would be of a similar design philosophy.
Wish he'd make some new Doom 2 maps now too. Actually wish he'd make an entire new Doom 2 expansion.

>>4046065
>Also his new Doom maps were fucking awesome
yeah they were very good... especially that one that had the platforming requirement on the poison green. Really clever shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 10:15:05 No.4051459 >>4051397 >Wish he'd make some new Doom 2 maps now too. Actually wish he'd make an entire new Doom 2 expansion. Same. I personally love his Doom 2 maps more than his Doom 1 maps.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 10, 2017 14:23:00 No.4051834 >>4051319 steed was also an alcoholic sociopathic asshole and they had grown to despise him so canning him over an internal political struggle wasn't a hard move for them to make.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 00:38:56 No.4052719 >>4048469 Harvey Smith who worked on Deus Ex, too. His dad beat him and committed suicide in front of him when Harvey was 5 and his mom ODed when he was 6 or something like that. Made some pretty good RPGs tho.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 00:42:14 No.4052728 >>4052719 What's with id and having troubled devs?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 02:43:21 No.4052957 >>4051459 doom 2 shits all the fuck over doom 1 so yeah, despite what the memeing plebs of /vr/ would have you believe. circle of death is probably the best map in the first two games.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 03:03:52 No.4052979 >>4052957 >not spirit world D2 has a pretty large amount of meme maps (dead simple, tricks & traps, monster condo to some extend) and a bit too much bfg happy setups.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 03:06:20 No.4052985 File: 121 KB, 811x960, 1458070085368.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4049659 >can someone ID these people?

Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 07:59:10 No.4053262

>>4052979
>dead simple, tricks & traps, monster condo
dead simple and monster condo are fucking great, especially dead simple
tricks and traps is okay, definitely not bad at least

only meh/bad maps in doom 2 are factory, chasm, courtyard, citadel, suburbs. either really lazy or just plain obnoxious to play through or both.

actually you can have the objective ranking right here m8

God Tier
>11 Circle of Death
>14 Inmost Dens

Great Tier
>1 Entryway
>2 Underhalls
>3 Gantlet
>4 Focus
>5 Waste Tunnels
>7 Dead Simple
>9 Pit
>15 Industrial Zone
>17 Tenements
>20 Gotcha!
>22 Catacombs
>25 Bloodfalls
>26 Abandoned Mines
>27 Monster Condo
>29 The Living End
>30 Icon of Sin

Good Tier
>6 Crusher
>8 Tricks and Traps
>10 Refueling Base
>23 Barrels O’ Fun
>28 Spirit World

Okay Tier
>13 Downtown
>21 Nirvana

Shit Tier
>12 Factory
>16 Suburbs
>18 Courtyard
>19 Citadel

Chasm Tier
>24 Chasm

Only good thing in Doom was E1 and most of E4. Rest of the game is boring as balls. Hell even E1 is boring as balls. Yes at the time it was highly influential and it's the most important because it was first but in 2017 it's an utterly boring game to play and I don't understand how kiddies here keep replaying it. Doom 2 is a billion times better and Doom will never reach the heights that 2 reaches. Far better gameplay, far better enemy roster, the SSG, far more variety of level design (in terms of scale, close encounters, verticality, puzzles). The only thing Doom does better is atmosphere and level detail. Doom 1 is undoubtedly prettier, but gameplay wise fuck me it's a snooze.

However even Doom 2 is shit compared to Plutonia, and the Doom community wads have far surpassed the levels of all the officially released games (except NRFTL, which is fucking incredible, although I wish it was longer thats what she said).

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 13:28:11 No.4053723 File: 480 KB, 800x1612, final bracket.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053262 objective map rankings have already been done

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 13:41:03 No.4053732 >>4053723 According to whom? Doom babbies? Even if not them, fuck that shit. E2M2 is fucking boring. Doom 1 is fucking boring.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 13:56:50 No.4053745 >>4053723 >E4M2 not god tier

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 14:10:23 No.4053765 >>4053262 >kiddies Sounds like what you are. Go back to Call of Duty and leave good games to the adults.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jun 11, 2017 14:19:21 No.4053779 >>4053765 epic

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 10, 2017 23:17:37 No.4053779,1 >>4050034 He never said that about me... "I keep a bottle of Jesus next to my bed" and I'm 98% certain it was American McGee who said it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 10, 2017 23:19:30 No.4053779,2 >>4050028 He never said that about me. It was American McGee and the quote was "I keep a bottle of Jesus next to my bed"

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