Ikaruga

[Anonymous No.4003189]

Explain the 'babby's first shmup' meme. What shmups are *supposed* be people's favourites? There isn't even anything quite similar to Ikaruga.

[Anonymous No.4003192]

DUDE BLACK AND WHITE LMAO

[Anonymous No.4003201]

>>4003192
Nice maymay, fag. Never heard that one.

[Anonymous No.4003203]

>>4003189

The hilarious irony about STG elitism is that I always see Gradius being hailed as the most hardcore game series in existence when it's obviously just nostalgia stemming from watered down NES/SNES ports of the 1st and 3rd games that keeps their image so strong with Western players lol.

[Anonymous No.4003212]

>>4003203
Gradiusfags aren't the ones shitting on Ikaruga though.

Usually the elitists that hate Ikaruga for being "normie" are autistic fans of Touhou and other bullet hell games from Cave and the like.
Ikaruga kind of falls under the "bullet hell" genre, so they probably get triggered by the fact that a game that's popular with what they call "normies" (i.e not their nice) can be on a list of bullet hell games.
And people like Ikaruga a lot, so they get triggered even more.

[Anonymous No.4003224]

There are 160 people total on 4chan that play shmups actively and they are all on #shmups discord.
Everyone that is not there is considered not a player and his opinion is disregarded.
I for example like more physically intensive/skill based shmups like Aero Fighters and less bullet hell pastern learning repetitions smups.

[Anonymous No.4003230]

>>4003189
That's not a meme it's just retarded contrarian opinion.

[Anonymous No.4003238]

>babby's first puzzle

[Anonymous No.4003249]

R-Type>>>>>Darius>Ikaruga>Gradius>shit>2hu

[Anonymous No.4003253]

>>4003189
>There isn't even anything quite similar to Ikaruga.
Radiant Silvergun says hi.

[Anonymous No.4003258]

>>4003253
RS is a mess with too many options given to the player who has to literally guess which weapon is the most effective. Ikaruga streamlined the system and made it not only more accessible but also more visually appealing and dynamic. The fact Ikaruga exists is like the devs admitting that they went too far in RS.
>inb4 they made the system casual
No they made it more fun.

[Anonymous No.4003265]

>>4003189
lol stay mad, treasurefag

[Anonymous No.4003273]

>>4003224
>There are 160 people total on 4chan that play shmups actively and they are all on #shmups discord.
>Everyone that is not there is considered not a player and his opinion is disregarded.
Are you guys planning a mass suicide anytime soon?

[Anonymous No.4003284]

Touhou is fucking gay

[Anonymous No.4003286]

>>4003273
Your point?

[Anonymous No.4003287]

>>4003189
Basically because it's hyped to the extreme for being "rare" and that also makes it expensive in ebay which is already /vr/rage fuel in itself.
Then it's a rather easy game but not one easy to get good scores because it's actually a huge puzzle that makes autism or hate rose if you want to actually play to get the best scores.

>People's favorites
Can't speak for everyone but I've seen that most people prefers great soundtrack and variety of stages/enemies in horizontal shooters and huge scoring mechanics/hard patterns in vertical shooters.

Ikaruga in my opinion is great but it's so different and strict it's hard to like it the same way to other pure action shmups.

[Anonymous No.4003297]

Ikaruga isn't even the best shmup on Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.4003305]

>>4003189
>bullet absorption is a shitty gimmick
>stage 2-4 boss designs are retarded looking
>enemy patterns are too static and dull
>3x chaining system is a stupid idea
>aesthetics are too fugly brown and grey
>stage 5's level design is lazy and easy

Just about sums it up. Most overrated STG ever. Silvergun is a better Treasure shmup, aside from the scoring system, which still blows like Iky's.

[Anonymous No.4003313]

>>4003297
Mars Matrix isn't even a top 10 DC shmup.

[Anonymous No.4003319]

>>4003189
Ikaruga was legitimately the best and most well designed shmup around when it came out, and there were entire communities dedicated to it back in the 00s, sharing videos manually and so.

A few years later, YouTube and other streaming services got big, and dozens and dozens of e-celebs got big by parroting Wikipedia "facts". Ikaruga was a victim of this too.

The "babby's first shmup" meme stems from the fact that there is an influx of normies who never played shmups before. They saw their favourite e-celeb praising the game for hours and they decided to "get into" the game.

Ikaruga is also widely available thanks to XBLA and Steam re-releases, so you don't need to set up your 90s console and a CRT or some obscure emulator and all of its plugins to play it. This contributed to the "babby's first shmup" meme.

The other part of the meme is that all the other shmup fans who played it in the 00s have already moved away into other games, and they want to discuss those, because they already did anything in the game that can be done (skills permitting). So it is part elitism; add in the fact that they are salty that what they bought for $50-200 new is now $20 on steam.

>>4003253
RS is boring and slow as fuck and REQUIRES you to score high to be playable. Unless you play the Saturn mode where you can grind levels repeatedly for score.
It's a good game but not as simple and well designed.

[Anonymous No.4003320]

>>4003297
>bullet hell shit

[Anonymous No.4003323]

>>4003212
Ikaruga isn't even bullet hell mind you, it just requires you to think 3 steps ahead as the polarity system penalizes indiscriminate shooting. This makes it so difficult that people take the "easy" way of playing by memorizing every route down to the pixel, like how you'd play bullet hells.

[Anonymous No.4003327]

>>4003189
It's the Halo 3 of shmups

[Anonymous No.4003336]

>>4003305
>>stage 5's level design is lazy and easy

You deserve your eyes stabbed.

[Anonymous No.4003348]

>>4003319
>Ikaruga was legitimately the best and most well designed shmup around when it came out
Dodonpachi and Battle Garegga came out years before it and were far superior though.

[Anonymous No.4003462]

>>4003189
>There isn't even anything quite similar to Ikaruga.

dimahoo had a polarity element a whole year before the release of that piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.4003494]

Tyrian master race. That game was so generous.

[Anonymous No.4003497]

>tfw you play shmups with save states where you give yourself 1 credit per level and don't even care about the scoring system

[Anonymous No.4003516]

>>4003348
oh take that bullshit back to system11.org.

[Anonymous No.4003570]

Ikaruga is remembered so fondly mainly becouse it's sombre serious art style, graphics, gameplay, music, and any semblance of story/plot resonate with each other to create a memorable experience. It's not a disjointed mess like Gradius and it's out of place Moai levels or any STG featuring flying humans. Ikaruga is the perfect well balanced package that catches the eye of shmup pleb and vets alike.

[Anonymous No.4003636]

>>4003189
It's a great game. Bullet hell and waifus killed the genre. Just like waifus killed the JRPG.
>>4003203
>STG
Tell us all what each of the letters in that acronym stand for?

[Anonymous No.4004051]

>>4003249
accurate

[Anonymous No.4004059]

>>4003224
>Everyone that is not there is considered not a player and his opinion is disregarded.
Yeah I'm sure some gay 4chan discord is the authority here.

[Anonymous No.4004065]

>animu art design
>bullet patterns requiring autistic level memorization
>complex, poorly explained mechanics
>incredibly arcane scoring system
>traps

This is everything a shooter should be.

[Anonymous No.4004097]

>>4003189
Ikaruga being bad is a meme just like "Ikaruga is the best stg" is.

[Anonymous No.4004129]

i feel the game seems easier than most because with just the press of a button youre immune to half of whats on the screen and you're even charging up for extra damage at the same time, with no risk involved and not having to dodge goes against what makes most shmups hard.

[Anonymous No.4004136]

>>4003319
Wait basically just a bunch of elitist neckbeards who got possessive when "plebs" finally started to play their genre again and had to disown it despite it being one of the best games?

Wish I could be surprised...

[Anonymous No.4004143]

What the flying fuck is STG

[Anonymous No.4004158]

>>4004129
Well that's why hard mode is a thing.

[Anonymous No.4004171]

>>4004136
>despite it being one of the best games?
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4004173]

>>4003189
It's just shmupfags mad that Treasure has a monopoly on the only worthwhile shmups.

[Anonymous No.4004182]

Ikaruga is babbys first schmup and coincidentally that very same opinion is babbys very first contrarian 4chan opinion.

I swear, people just love to hate on it because it got attention. It's a great game.

[Anonymous No.4004187]

>>4003189
>how is ikarugababby formed
born mid-90s, grew up on cod and halo on xbl, is memeing about ikaruga now since he found this board and thinks he's special for playing a game that every faggot ever played back in the day. he believes this gives him 'gamer cred' and makes him 'hardcore' when it's really no big deal and ikaruga isn't even a difficult game. appears to be lonely and friendless irl too, seeing as he spends most of his time circle jerking in this shitty general filled with shit tier reddit humour a la your post and >>4003494
. is also fucking TERRIBLE at ikaruga and other retro shmups, can't play modern shmups on mame or steam, goes into other threads for other shmups's and cries that they play differently from ikaruga. can also be found on /v/ occasionally memeing about ikaruga, making obnoxious threads asking other morons why they haven't played it (some of whom eventually find their way here and become the same faggot described). doesn't think for himself either and parrots whatever the meme consensus happens to be at the time he's making the post.

all in all, a highly cancerous individual and an abject tumour in the timeline of treasure's history. ikaruga babbies were a mistake. you know those 15 year old stoners that start smoking weed and feel the need to tell everyone about it? that's a good analogy for a ikargua babby.

[Anonymous No.4004458]

>>4003189
it's a retarded meme that came from the fact that Ikaruga ended up getting a fuckton more media attention than basically any other shmup in years and the bullet absorption mechanic leaves a bad taste in some people's mouth
but seriously, the only other shmups after that got so much attention were R-Type Final (which is a slow fucking piece of shit, sadly) and Gradius V (which was another Treasure game)
really doesn't help that a bunch of big media outlets went and said that Ikaruga is the best ever or something close and people took serious offense to that (and it's not)

the US GameCube cover of the game is obnoxious and symbolizes a lot of why people get pissed off over Ikaruga

>>4003305
Silvergun's chaining is more retarded than Ikaruga's and the weapon level ups (and thus your survival) depends way too hard on scoring.
It's also a lot more plodding as a whole.
it's long as fuck for a game that wants you to memorize as much as it does (since scoring is a hard requirement if you want to be able to kill anything at all late-game), hot damn

>>4003348
wouldn't say either are far superior (also, Garegga is a clusterfuck designed by someone who literally was trying to fuck you out of your money, that game (and YGW himself) really needs to be put on less of a pedestal), but I do like both more

>>4003258
RS's seven weapon system is ace as hell and figuring out what's best in a situation is neat. The level-up system is obnoxious though.
Also, Ikaruga is made to be kind of the opposite of RS -- a shorter, simpler, more subdued game to contrast against RS being bombastic, complicated, and long. For years, Treasure shied the hell away from direct sequels, they continually wanted to do something fairly different with each game.

>>4003570
yeah, fuck off with that pretentious bullshit
It's got a neat gimmick, good graphics and music (that both continue to be fairly impressive to this day), cool stages, and was made by a well-respected developer. Also, marketing.

[Anonymous No.4004497]

>>4004173
>this is what treasurefags actually believe

[Anonymous No.4004505]

>>4004173
>the only worthwhile shmups.
I don't recall Treasure being involved with Raiden 2.

[Anonymous No.4005107]

Bad opinions time.
As some mentioned, Ikaruga got ton of media attention, which made it the entryway shmup for many. Sometimes people just dislike it for the exposure it got. I personally have similar gripes about Touhou, since I don't really get how they got so popular and how they affected the shmup doujin market.

But anyway, mechanically game is rather sound, although it has some great flaws like boss-design ( bosses 3 in particular being very uninspired and boring ) and a scoring system that resembles more a puzzle-game - I actually dislike it more than the utterly anal chaining system of Dodonpachi Daioujou, weirdly enough. The central game mechanic of polarities is ultimately bit polarizing for lot of people, I don't personally mind it, but I am not particularly frothing about it either. It is neat gimmick, but for me, doesn't really sell the game.
As for visual department, it has excellent art-direction and the game did look great when it came out.
Soundtrack is nice but tends to rely too much on its leitmotif.

Personally I am more fan of Dodonpachi series and Garegga.

[Anonymous No.4005120]

>>4005107
Actually, let me touch up on the comment about chaining again.

In Ikaruga maintaining chain requires heavy precision, and just having to stop shooting after making mistake and waiting for right colour enemy to remedy the chain is extremely obnoxious and flow-breaking. In DOJ if/when you mess up chain, it's gone, just keep shooting, no more remedying, and it wasn't so utterly about precision. Maintaining chain for most game was rather easy outside of some specific segments of stages (ex. midboss in stage 3, cannon in stage 4 and cartridges), but penalties were much higher, with single slip-up basically decimating your stage score.

>>4003636
ShooTing Game

More used by the Japanese.

[Anonymous No.4005125]

>>4005107
>I personally have similar gripes about Touhou, since I don't really get how they got so popular

anime

[Anonymous No.4005132]

>>4003224

This is why discords are retarded

[Anonymous No.4005243]

>>4005107
>>4005120
Why can't more shmup fanboys be like you?
Pretty nicely explained, anon. And good taste.

[Anonymous No.4005248]

>>4003189
anyone actually play Ikaruga in the arcade?

[Anonymous No.4005256]

>>4005107
>Personally I am more fan of Dodonpachi series and Garegga.

Oh my fucking god. Could you be even more of a tryhard faggot if you tried?! HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY LIKES DDP AND BATTLE GAREGGA DON'T FUCK WITH HIM HE'S TOTES HARDCORE YA KNOW! I mean just.... wooooooooooow.

[Anonymous No.4005258]

>>4005256
What are your favorite shmups then?

[Anonymous No.4005260]

>>4005258
Tyrian =)

[Anonymous No.4005267]

>>4003462
You can't absorb bullets in Dimahoo and most bosses are green element (neutral)

[Anonymous No.4005269]

>>4004187
hardocre projection, bro. lol

[Anonymous No.4005296]

>>4005256
garegga is easier than ikaruga though

[Anonymous No.4005317]

>>4005296
Eh I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.4005431]

>>4005296
Ikaruga doesn't have a bullshit rank system, a quasi-luck scoring system, or actually challenging boss fights. Also half the bullet types are harmless to your ship, while Garegga has poorly coloured bullets that blend into backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.4005437]

People are over-analyzing this.

Casuals like Ikaruga because half of the bullets won't kill them.

Shmup fans dislike it for a ton of reasons, but the real rage comes from the above point. It just underlines that most people will never play their insanely hard bullet hell games, and in the one that did get kind of popular, most of the bullets won't even kill you.

[Anonymous No.4005448]

>>4005437
Pretty much this, combined with how everyone who played it would brag about it like it was the hardest game ever made

It was truly the Dark Souls of its generation

[Anonymous No.4005495]

>>4005437
Danmaku is the most pleb genre a shmup fan can play.

[Anonymous No.4005516]

>>4005495
Traditional shmups are even lamer and more casual than most bullet hell STGs.

[Anonymous No.4005647]

>>4005437
>Casuals like Ikaruga because half of the bullets won't kill them.

I don't think it's that. Lot of people who aren't into shmups like Ikaruga because the polarity system is something they can understand right away making it stand out more from other games. You gotta put time into most shmups to fully grasp the ins and outs of them meanwhile with Ikaruga you got something right in your face to focus on making it not only easier to pick up and play but also discuss casually even if that's the only thing about the game you understand.

[Anonymous No.4005654]

>>4005647
t. 2hufaggot

[Anonymous No.4005658]

>>4005654
>>4005516

[Anonymous No.4005676]

>>4005654
I could probably beat you every round in PoFV.

Go back to wanking over your archaic garbage.

[Anonymous No.4005679]

>>4005654
I like Ikaruga and only played Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil but alright.

[Anonymous No.4005729]

>>4005676
>I can beat you in this worthless doujin trash no one seriously play
whoah you sure offended me there buddy

[Anonymous No.4005756]

>>4005431
>Ikaruga doesn't have a bullshit rank system,
It does.

>a quasi-luck scoring system,
It has a scoring system, it's just isn't luck based. That's one thing Ikaruga does right, it has meticulously detailed level design made with the scoring system in mind... it doesn't just throw shit at you at random.

>or actually challenging boss fights.
The boss fights in Ikaruga are way harder than in Garegga...

>Also half the bullet types are harmless to your ship,
Only in theory. The problem with this is that the game alternates between traps using a certain colour, so you HAVE to switch often. And if you switch often, the garbage coming your way from your previous volley will end up killing you. Ikaruga isn't twice as easy due to the polarity system, it's more like two or three times harder, and this is half the reason why people can only play it danmaku style by memorizing every pattern. You just can't make on the spur decisions, if you try, you'll get killed.

>while Garegga has poorly coloured bullets that blend into backgrounds.
Haha, I remember the Saturn port having an option to change the bullet graphics because of this.
Also don't forget that a lot of the bullets are 1 pixel wide stripes.

[Anonymous No.4005786]

>>4005756
>Only in theory. The problem with this is that the game alternates between traps using a certain colour, so you HAVE to switch often
Only on hard, on Normal the patterns aren't really demanding.
Garegga is harder than Ikaruga even with the easiest ship

[Anonymous No.4005805]

>>4003212
No clue, I love touhou but I think Ikaruga is pretty fine.
Then again most touhoufags don't even play the games, so feel free to ignore anything you hear from them.

[Anonymous No.4005854]

>>4003212
Touhouffags generally don't give a shit about other shmups outside of their series so I doubt it's them.

[Anonymous No.4005881]

>>4003212
dudes just wanna feel special and get triggered by other people enjoying the things they enjoy.

[Anonymous No.4005891]

>>4005854
It's funny. As noted one post above yours, most touhoufags don't play the games, in fact they actively shit on people that play the games.
The only few people I know that *actually* play the games like shmups in general, even stuff like Thunder Force, as a contrast.

Talk about a shit fandom. They are just in for their headcanon waifus and assorted fanon, so, yeah, ignore them.
99% of them never touched a shmup, not even the ones they claim to be fans of. If they did, they would realize their waifu is not a yandere or a lesbian, so they avoid them like the plague. Pure cancer.

The games are actually pretty competent. Not the best shmups ever, but they are fun. It's such a pity that shit fandom gives them such a bad rep.

[Anonymous No.4005894]

>>4005891
>in fact they actively shit on people that play the games.

But they don't. They never even glance at anything that isn't Touhou because they're into those games solely for the characters and plot not the actual gameplay. I doubt most of them even know Ikaruga exist.

[Anonymous No.4005907]

>>4005786
>Only on hard, on Normal the patterns aren't really demanding.

If you accidentally shoot a matching colour enemy once on Normal, at any time you need to switch, you'll die.

>Garegga is harder than Ikaruga even with the easiest ship

That's because it has a bullshit difficulty curve where the game automatically becomes impossible to beat if you pick up 1 power up.

[Anonymous No.4005908]

>>4005894
Yeah, they actually do man. I started playing the games back when the second windows one came out and by then there was no fandom, and there was an irc chatroom dedicated to the games.
It was pretty good, the regulars would discuss the strategies, how to avoid dying against the toughest patterns, sharing replays, good stuff.
Then the "fandom" started to flock in and they were all like "stop talking about the games we are trying to share porn here so kawaii ^_^", until all the players were driven out of there.
Everywhere I go where the games are namedropped I keep seeing people disregard the games, or say shit like "what do you mean X character is a boss? you mean you can't play as everyone?" or "what's an extra stage" or "lol only autists play the games" by people who were just circlejerking about the characters being yanderes or some shit. A lot still think the games are rpgs or that there are no games whatsoever.
Of course, expecting them to see the many references to other shmups contained within the games is futile, as well. Because they don't play.

[Anonymous No.4005909]

Honestly Bangai-O did the switch bullet thing better.

[Anonymous No.4005926]

>>4005908
No, they actually don't.

[Anonymous No.4005929]

>>4005907
>That's because it has a bullshit difficulty curve where the game automatically becomes impossible to beat if you pick up 1 power up.
This is laughably ignorant, you can max out shot from the beginning if you want, just don't pick up extra shit you don't need.

[Anonymous No.4005936]

>>4005926
You even said they are just in for the characters (or their insanely warped headcanons, rather), so isn't that like contradictory?

[Anonymous No.4005937]

>>4003189
Treasurefags were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.4005939]

>>4005936
That doesn't mean they run around and shit all over something they pay absolutely no attention to.

[Anonymous No.4005948]

>>4005939
So they don't play the games.
The thing is that they hate people who play the games because they can point out how character X isn't a yandere (what the fuck is their thing with yanderes anyway, jesus) and they'd rather not have their headcanon challenged. Or at least that's what I keep seeing all over the place.

[Anonymous No.4005952]

>>4005948
No they don't and no you don't.

[Anonymous No.4005954]

>>4005937
>Treasurefags
No such thing. Just people who have good taste in and can enjoy videogames.

[Anonymous No.4005958]

>>4005952
Why in the name of fuck you are defending those assholes for is beyond me. The games deserve better.
And, yes, I do, otherwise I wouldn't bring it up, nigga.

[Anonymous No.4005974]

>>4005958
Because making up boogeymen doesn't solve anything and just brings in more conflict. And no you don't my dude.

[Anonymous No.4005981]

>>4005954
>good taste
laughingwhores.png

[Anonymous No.4005983]

>>4005981
>my taste is better than your taste

You're just a contrarian little guy and nobody cares about your taste, opinions or needs.

[Anonymous No.4005985]

>>4005974
You must be trolling. It's impossible for you to not have seen it. Even in places like MoTK it's a thing.

[Anonymous No.4005987]

>>4005985
Stop this isn't funny anymore.

[Anonymous No.4005991]

>>4005987
Fuck you. I'm not going to say that a thing I've seen for over 12 years doesn't exist just because you say so.

[Anonymous No.4005995]

>>4005991
>F*ck you

Ok now you're just being rude.

[Anonymous No.4005996]

>>4005983
>reddit spacing
Why am I not surprised?

[Anonymous No.4005997]

>>4005995
Sorry Mr "your experience is invalid because I disagree".

[Anonymous No.4005998]

>>4005997
It's not disagreement it's straight up fact.

>>4005996
Hi /tv/.

[Anonymous No.4006007]

>>4005996
>if you use the spacebar, it means you're from Reddit
This is probably

The

most

stupid

meme

I've seen

in months

[Anonymous No.4006012]

>>4005998
Whatever you say. Turns out I'm wrong and they never mock people who play or buy the games. Never ever. I guess it was all trolls I found over time.

[Anonymous No.4006014]

>>4006012
You gotta chill out man.

[Anonymous No.4006015]

Just when I thought /vr/ couldn't get more shitty

[Anonymous No.4006020]

>>4006014
It's pretty annoying when someone comes at you saying "your experiences never happened, you must be making it up" over and over.

[Anonymous No.4006023]

>>4006020
So stop making stuff up.

[Anonymous No.4006028]

>>4006023
And how can you be so sure? I got nothing to gain by making it up. Your credibility is as good as mine. And assuming *no single touhoufag ever said anything wrong about the ones that play or buy the games* is kinda...optimistic.

[Anonymous No.4006030]

>>4006028
>I got nothing to gain by making it up

You're a sick man who gains thrills by trying to create conflict between communities and I for one will not standby and let that happen.

[Anonymous No.4006034]

>>4006030
Oh so you are just trolling. Okay, that makes more sense.
Okay white knight, you can drop the act.

[Anonymous No.4006035]

>>4006034
>Oh so you are just trolling.

I'm not the one trying to get people to fight each other over nothing.

[Anonymous No.4006041]

>>4006035
That'd be a nice theory, except I'm just a fucking anon, and they are already fighting over nothing, so there's nothing I can accomplish here.

[Anonymous No.4006046]

>>4006041
All it takes is one guy if they're dedicated enough.

[Anonymous No.4006047]

>>4006046
Not even the most skilled wizard can turn bread into bread.

[Anonymous No.4006048]

>>4006047
You obviously don't know many wizards.

[Anonymous No.4006053]

>>4006048
Talk about missing the point. I'm done.

[Anonymous No.4006057]

>>4006053
>I'm done.

No you're not I guarantee you're going to start more infighting like a month from now because you're a horrible person who can't let people be at peace.

[Anonymous No.4006058]

>>4006057
Go complain in your tumblr. I'm outta here.

[Anonymous No.4006061]

>>4006058
Why would I go to an entirely different site to stop issues that occur on here? Do you have donkey brains or something?

[Anonymous No.4006210]

>>4003224
>There are 160 people total on 4chan that play shmups actively and they are all on #shmups discord.

Fuck you, I'm not on it.

>>4003497
>don't even care about the scoring system

That's weird, but whatever floats your boat.

>>4005495
I love caravan games and scoring, I thought that made me pretty pleb. Then again, I sit crosslegged and with my head cocked, you know what I mean?

[Anonymous No.4006221]

>>4005908
Fuck, you just told the STG version of 4chan's history.

[Anonymous No.4006313]

What the fuck did I miss? Defensive gimmicks in shmups not doing it for some folks?

[Anonymous No.4006317]

>>4005107
>frothing
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.4006504]

>>4006313
Best game ITT

[Anonymous No.4006512]

>>4003249
FUCK U!

[Anonymous No.4006550]

This far in and nobody's posted the xoxak vid yet?

It btfo's the Treasurefags.

[Anonymous No.4006627]

>janny is a treasurefag
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.4006636]

>>4006627
No, I just delete any low-effort shitposts. Try to be less of a retard next time and you won't get your posts deleted.

[Anonymous No.4006647]

>>4006636
>he gets triggered
>for free
LOL

[Anonymous No.4006669]

>>4006636
>putting the blame on the victim

[Anonymous No.4006702]

>>4006627
Kinda surprised they didn't notice my copypaste of the doombabby pasta usually that results in a swift deletion and ban request.

[Anonymous No.4006708]

>>4006636

does calling someone a retard not qualify as a low effort shitpost?

[Anonymous No.4006739]

>>4004059
>implying you know shit
KevinDDR joined few weeks back.
When you are able to play garegga on that level call me back I would love to see it.

[Anonymous No.4006740]

>>4005132
>he thinks shump community guys are retarded kids like the rest of the people on 4chin
This is where you are wrong.

[Anonymous No.4006989]

>>4006627
>anyone who doesn't treat Treasure as the enemy is SURELY a "treasurefag"

You should go see the shrink.

[Anonymous No.4006992]

>>4006627
>BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Can't tell if elementary schooler or grown up retard.
Sadly it's probably the later.

[Anonymous No.4007050]

>>4006989
>>4006992
The Treasurefags are upset. You better do your job, Mr. Custodian.

[Anonymous No.4007053]

>>4007050
>everyone but me is a treasurefag!

[Anonymous No.4007101]

the only shmups worth playing are twinkle star sprites and the touhou phantasmagoria games, tbqh

[Anonymous No.4007107]

>>4004065
>Espagaluda 2
Is there a way to play this that isn't on a 360 or am I SOL?

[Anonymous No.4007114]

>shmup
>babbies first

I am yet to find a shmup that doesnt require absolute memorization or savant-tier autism to beat even on easy on one coin.

Think i may have found a community even worse than the elitist dark souls community.

[Anonymous No.4007121]

>>4007114
TwinBee is a fun cute 'em up that's easy to 1cc (at least the first loop, it's short), it doesn't require a lot of memorization, it's more like juggling with bells, tons of fun.
And yeah most shmup fanboys are autistic, but many of the shitposters aren't even good at games themselves, they just shitpost. It's cancer from the general at /vg/.

[Anonymous No.4007124]

>>4007053
Clearly the treasurefags are the ones who are triggered enough to respond with a reaction image.

[Anonymous No.4007128]

>>4007124
>if you post a reaction image on 4chan, then it SURELY means you're a treasurefag

This is getting kinda fun.

[Anonymous No.4007131]

>>4006504

I really find it funny how the Tale of ALLTYNEX games are fucking brutal despite the generosity with lives/hits and bullet-defeating abilities the games give the player.

[Anonymous No.4007141]

>>4007131
Are they? The only one that gave me anguish was Alltynex second which isn't too generous with lives.

[Anonymous No.4007145]

Is there actually any way for a skilled player to beat a bullet hell shmup on the first try?

I looked at some gameplay and it looks to me like sometimes you need to know the pattern of the enemy attack ahead or you run into a dead end.

[Anonymous No.4007149]

>>4007121
is this something on mame or?

[Anonymous No.4007150]

>>4007145
Look at this purple bukakke garbage. How could anyone find this fun?

[Anonymous No.4007154]

>>4007149
MAME for the arcade version

[Anonymous No.4007159]

>>4007149
Detana Twinbee and Twinbee Yahoo are on MAME

[Anonymous No.4007160]

>>4007154
which one should i play, i have mushihimesama and deathsmiles etc already on mame

[Anonymous No.4007162]

>>4007159
thank you and thanks to the other cat in advance, gotta go back to work now

[Anonymous No.4007164]

>>4007162
Neither, play R-Type 2 instead

[Anonymous No.4007168]

>>4007107
it's also on ios and android, which is better than nothing i guess

[Anonymous No.4007169]

>>4007168
>touch controls
Nah, you're better off stabbing your eyes with a fork

[Anonymous No.4007172]

>>4007141

Yeah, ALLTYNEX Second is the least forgiving with lives, and demands some patience from the player in order to attack bosses properly.

RefleX is still my favorite out of the three though.

[Anonymous No.4007174]

>shmup fiend faggot online friend
>start playing vertical bullet hells with me there brah
>buy ikaruga and install some mame roms
>have huge screen but only half is used with bordershit on the side
>just tilt your screen sideways brah!
>my screen doesn't have these meme mounts

promptly deleted him immediately after this, some of the admin screens at work do but fuck this guy for asking me to do that, he knew i couldn't do that.

[Anonymous No.4007180]

>>4007164
He wants to play a game that isn't about memorization, thus I suggested TwinBee.

[Anonymous No.4007238]

>>4007107
MAME?

[Anonymous No.4007239]

>>4007238
It doesn't work on MAME

[Anonymous No.4007241]

>>4007164
that's a rude as shit answer, R-Type 2 is the most obnoxious memorizer of them all
people enjoy it for that, but it's still obnoxious as fuck

>>4007150
the game specifically warns you that it's going to be a bit absolutely bullshit when you pick this difficulty and lets you back out, like when playing Doom on Nighmare

>>4007238
CV1000 emulation still runs too fast overall, making the later Cave games much harder than they should be. There's hacky ways to bring it more in line with the board (setting blitter delay in custom mame builds), but you're in for a bad time.

>>4007239
it boots, and works, and looks fine at a glance even though there's a bunch of chip timing related stuff that isn't emulated

[Anonymous No.4007243]

>>4007174
>not useing a crt monitor with it's huge ass so you can have it sideways

[Anonymous No.4007250]

>>4007239
>>4007241
Well honestly I have barely played it but I assumed it had no issues, game didn't look out of line with other cave shmups in terms of difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4007256]

>>4007250
Stop using MAME, kiddo. Buy an Xbox 360 if you're too poor to afford a cabinet

[Anonymous No.4007257]

>>4007238
that's a big emulator

[Anonymous No.4007259]

>>4007257
If I remove the mask, will he die?

[Anonymous No.4007264]

>>4007114
Try the original Gradius. That was the first shmup I 1cc'd. Learning how to recover when you die can be an issue, but once you've got that down it's an easy clear (Or you just never die and bulldoze everything with full powerups).

[Anonymous No.4007271]

>>4007256

Ikaruga is on steam too

[Anonymous No.4007298]

>>4005256
It's matter of preference. I just like flow and pacing of DOJ/DDP (DOJBL beiing my favourite shmup in general) a lot, and have affinity for Garegga's weird bullshit and amazing soundtrack, although I might just prefer Ibara gameplay-wise.
Those are just my two go-too shmups.

[Anonymous No.4007313]

>>4007145
Yes, there are easy ones. Depends on game.
ESPGaluda is very, very easy. Touhous as well on easy/normal.

Mind you, image you posted is the biggest fuck-you in the game on hardest difficulty, plus player is triggering the anti-bomb retaliation pattern.
Usually people handle that patttern by manipulation and resource management.

[Anonymous No.4007316]

>>4006739
>KevinXXL
>good at garegga
lmao

[Anonymous No.4007320]

> Game doesn't play like most games in genre at all
> Typically clueless videogame journalists suddenly give special attention to game over much better "traditional" games in the same genre they usually just ignore or give confused mediocre scores to
> People who never play shmups mindlessly parrot how it is best shmup because it is pretty good and they don't have any context of better games in the genre anyway

That was how Ikarugababby was formed and a collective butt was forever hurt

[Anonymous No.4007328]

>>4007159
>>4007159
Detana Twinbee and Twinbee Yahho are even less beginner friendly than R-Type 2, though, just recommend him the original.

[Anonymous No.4007329]

>>4007313
>ESPGaluda is very, very easy.
That's until the second half of stage 5 kicks your ass with the killing meidos.

[Anonymous No.4007330]

>>4007259
it would extremely crashable

[Anonymous No.4007331]

>>4007328
In that case recommend him Pop'n Twinbee for extreme babby mode

[Anonymous No.4007338]

>>4007331
That's a good suggestion, 2nd loop of Pop'n twinbee is still one of the most anal thing in console shmups however.

[Anonymous No.4007339]

>>4007316
nobody said he was good

and let's be honest here, can anyone truly say they are "good" at garegga? to say so would be an insult to the game's infinite depth and challenge.

[Anonymous No.4007360]

>>4007339
it was implied that he had a high level or something which is far from true. And 2bh garegga's scoring is rather straightforward compared to a lot of danmaku tryhard scoring

[Anonymous No.4007508]

>>4007339
As much fun and enjoyment as I've gotten out of Garegga over the years, I have two complaints.

One, the bullet coloration. Sorry, modern danmaku has spoiled me with visible and colorful bullets. Even in my "obsessed with caravan" days I never had an issue with bullet visibility. It's just Garegga. A poor choice of color palette I'd say.

Two, the damned scoring system. I hate systems that incentivize counter-intuitive play, and Garegga is the king of this nonsense. That rank system is nightmarish.

[Anonymous No.4007576]

>>4007114
Shmups in general are actually pretty easy. It's the exceptions like Psikyo and Cave that are hard.

[Anonymous No.4007582]

>>4007576

>Cave

>hard

[Anonymous No.4007592]

>>4007582
post you're scoarz

[Anonymous No.4007604]

>>4007576
Ehh, this is kind of an overgeneralization. There are plenty of nastily difficult STGs out there that weren't made by Psi or CAVE. And while I'll gladly concede that Psikyo titles are balls hard across the board, difficultly has always been hit or miss with CAVE.

[Anonymous No.4007608]

>>4007316
Better than you pal.
Again post your scoring with video proof.

[Anonymous No.4007646]

>>4007508
>Two, the damned scoring system. I hate systems that incentivize counter-intuitive play, and Garegga is the king of this nonsense. That rank system is nightmarish.
Have you even played it for score? it makes the actually easier because you earn a shitton of extends to help you. You never need to push the rank unless you want to achieve WR-tier scores. Hell I like the scoring of Garegga due to how intuitive it's

[Anonymous No.4007647]

>>4007608
go back to TGM lad, you aren't any good at stg

[Anonymous No.4007685]

>>4007647
Tetris takes more skill than the memorizer crap you play anyway

[Anonymous No.4007689]

>>4007685
then why are you completely shit at anything that isn't tetris

[Anonymous No.4007693]

>>4007685
>>4007689
Zing!

[Anonymous No.4007694]

>>4007689
Anyone can learn a memorizer, you just need to spend some time with it.

[Anonymous No.4007735]

>>4007685
Tetris is babby's first puzzle game. Why haven't you stepped up to a real challenge, like competitive Puyo Puyo or Money Puzzle Exchanger?

[Anonymous No.4007854]

>>4007735
>competitive Puyo Puyo
This nigga serious? Nobody plays that outside of japan

[Anonymous No.4008454]

>>4007508
There's a board revision with bright yellow bullets. I dunno if it fucks with anything else, but it does have bright, round, yellow bullets.

>>4007694
not that guy, but that's fairly true
Shit, that's a lot of the appeal -- time put in directly correlates with progress in a good memorizer. It's very rewarding. Take a game like R-Type or Shadow Dancer, you learn what's ahead, then you learn what to do, then you actually learn how to physically do it and it's just a great feeling.

personally not quite as much a fan of danmaku games since they're fairly hard to read and memorize in comparison, but I still play a bunch
>>4007250
A bunch of shit looks completely fine in MAME, and then it turns out unemulated bits make the game behave wildly differently (there's some games with undumped/mis-emulated security or co-processor chips that end up throwing completely different enemy patterns with the wrong AI and the lot). IIRC, until a few years ago, one of the bosses in RayForce was missing an attack (I think it was supposed to shoot lasers at you, they just never appeared when run in MAME).

That being said, the only real issue in the more recent Cave games in MAME is that they run too fast under load -- many of the patterns were designed with the expectation that the board would slow down with all the shit being drawn (the board is kind of oddly underpowered), and they become wildly obnoxious since MAME will gladly run it at full speed.
The 360 version's slowdown isn't really arcade exact either IIRC, but it's better than fucking around with blitter delay and hacks like that in MAME if you want the later levels to be particularly playable.
if you just want to get a general feel for the game to see if you might be interested, go check it out in MAME anyway

[Anonymous No.4008473]

>>4008454
>There's a board revision with bright yellow bullets. I dunno if it fucks with anything else
It does, that revision is a broken piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4008531]

>>4007735
>Money Puzzle Exchanger
I played this by chance in a Japanese arcade. 10/10, dunno why I never hear about it in the West

[Anonymous No.4008550]

>>4003212
I don't hate Ikaruga, but I really don't get whats supposed to be so special about it.

The polarity thing is a gimmick, a really fucking annoying one if you play the game "correctly" and try to kill enemies of the same polarity in sets of 3. Its just superfluous bullshit I'd rather not throw on top of killing everything and surviving like in every other shmup. I have more or less the same problem with Radiant Silvergun.

As someone who's more of a hori fan though, I definitely like that both Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun have decent level design, as opposed to most vertis where you just autoscroll through a featureless void.

The first time I played Ikaruga, it was on a burned copy I downloaded off the internet that also had a copy of border down on the disc. Border down turned out to be in my top 3 favorite shmups of all time. I highly recommend it.

[Anonymous No.4008572]

>>4008531

It was on GB a while ago which gave it some good coverage, but c'mon bro you played it so you should know why it isn't mainstream in the west even if it is a 10/10 puzzler

[Anonymous No.4008581]

>>4005805
How do you make touhou games play at less than 6 gorillion fps? I like shmups but my backlog of console shmups is probably 100 games thick so I haven't really spent a lot of time looking into touhou, but I downloaded one of the games one night out of curiosity and it was unplayable because the game was running at about 6000 frames per second which made the game run at like 1000% speed

[Anonymous No.4008619]

>>4006739
>Destructive autistic tetris player
Wow.

[Anonymous No.4009634]

>people still wonder where the attention for Ikaruga came from

[Anonymous No.4009657]

>>4008619

[Anonymous No.4009981]

Are the DC original and GC version different from each other (like Bangai-O on N64 and DC) or it's pretty much the same thing?

[Anonymous No.4010025]

>>4009981
GC has no slowdown and some minor differences like the ability to start a stage at any point in practice mode

[Anonymous No.4010043]

>>4010025
But it's virtually the same game (assets, game system, music)? it's a port then, not a remake like DC Bangai-O?

[Anonymous No.4010063]

>>4010043
Yeah it's the same game

[Anonymous No.4010065]

>>4010063
Thanks for the clarification anon.

[Anonymous No.4010128]

How is the 360 port of Ikaruga (and other Treasure games)? As good as the originals? Better? Worse?

[Anonymous No.4010187]

>>4007174
>needing a mount

Just use your arms and some boxes brah.

[Anonymous No.4010201]

>>4010128
Apparently it has some altered stages, but I don't know if it's better or worse.

[Anonymous No.4010346]

>>4010201
Apparently no one does because I can't find any comparisons online.
Has anyone where played the 360 port and the original Ikargua? Which do you prefer?

[Anonymous No.4010365]

>>4010346
I THINK the 360 verison is what they used for the Steam port.

[Anonymous No.4010375]

>>4010201
>>4010346
As I recall there are 2 differences in total, one is that the sub-boss at the end of stage 3 is rotating its 4 cannons in the other direction, and I think the other change was the giant bonus ships on stage 5 having a slightly different hitbox.

[Anonymous No.4010402]

>>4010375
Doesn't sound like a dealbreaker.
The 360 port is on sale for $2.50 right now if anyone wants to give it a try. It's also backwards compatible so it'll play on the Xbone too.

[Anonymous No.4010425]

>>4010402
>Doesn't sound like a dealbreaker.

You don't realize how autistic the shmup community is about small details like that. Someone once made a 3 page long rant on why Dodonpachi on Saturn is a complete unplayable trash of a port that doesn't deserve to be called Dodonpachi because it runs at 60hz instead of the arcade originals 57.31415654987123456798 Hz.

[Anonymous No.4010436]

>>4010425
I meant for humans. Not living memes. They'll REEEE if someone isn't using the right brand of AV cables.

[Anonymous No.4010438]

>>4010425
Good thing the shmup community isn't interested in IKURRGA, then

[Anonymous No.4010442]

>>4010438
/shmupg/ != shmup community

[Anonymous No.4010569]

>>4010425
there are plenty of actual reasons why not to bother with the Saturn version (namely, that it looks fucking shit for a Saturn port and runs a tad choppily since I think it's actually doubling frames to match arcade speed -- PS1 version looks nicer although IIRC the PS1 version has some major scoring issues, and it runs at actual 60, which does make it a tad harder, and 3hz speed increase is enough to make you die on accident more)
a 3 page rant is kind of embarrassing, all the issues can be listed in like three sentences

The semi-recent Ikaruga port's changes kind of make no sense and seem to be there just to annoy people who've played the game heavily before.
they're all really minor bits that no one else would really notice

>>4010436
wew

>>4008473
Details? I did a little looking, but didn't find any writeup or anything on what Garrega's "New Version" changes other than bullet visibility.
also, make sure the game says "use only in Nippon," on boot the settings are fucked otherwise

[Anonymous No.4010595]

>>4010569
Isn't the only difference in scoring that bees don't fill the combo gauge? Not exactly the end of the world, unless you were planning to get world record on a console port.

[Anonymous No.4010625]

>>4010569
>Details?
Fixed formation ruins half the strategies in the game and the rank is more fucked up iirc.

[Anonymous No.4010627]

>>4010569
>Details?
Fixed formation ruins half the strategies in the game and the rank is more fucked up iirc, nobody plays it for a reason.

[Anonymous No.4010792]

>>4003192
It's not blue and red?

[Anonymous No.4010909]

>>4010627
Also forgot, the "bright yellow bullets" seem to have a bigger hitbox as well, so playing this version is also more annoying because of this.

[Anonymous No.4011348]

>>4003189
normie shmup

[Anonymous No.4011396]

>>4011348
So it's actually good?

[Anonymous No.4011532]

>>4011396
That's what Treasurefags believe.

[Anonymous No.4011595]

>>4011532
>he's still whining about his Treasurefag strawman

Seek mental help.

[Anonymous No.4011716]

>>4011532
>muh normies!

Can't you come up with something different for once?

[Anonymous No.4012474]

Are hipsters still butthurt over Treasure making better shmups than their favorite company ITT?

[Anonymous No.4012631]

>>4011595
>>4011716
Same Treasurefag

[Anonymous No.4012652]

>>4012631
>Treasurefag

[Anonymous No.4012684]

>he reports posts he doesn't like
Treasurefags in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.4012694]

>>4012684
I actually hope the mods don't delete your posts, it's funny.

[Anonymous No.4012705]

>>4010569
>it looks fucking shit for a Saturn port

How so? I thought the graphics were pixel perfect, as long as you rotated your TV. The squashed mode probably indeed looks shit, but you can't do much about that.

[Anonymous No.4012712]

>>4012694
Thanks, I'll be here all summer! Enjoy the show.

[Anonymous No.4012757]

>>4012684
>he's upset his low-energy posts get deleted
Come up with something better than ad hominem and maybe we'll start taking your opinion seriously.

[Anonymous No.4012764]

>>4012757
>they can't shit on your opinion if you're too stupid to actually have one

[Anonymous No.4012801]

>>4012652
the fuck is wrong with his teeth?

[Anonymous No.4013581]

>>4012705
loads of the graphics are decidedly not pixel perfect (in either version), but the Saturn version is full of downscaled graphics that have been stretched out more than on the PS1 (most visibly, the explosions)