/CRT/ Thread - Stadium Edition

[Anonymous No.3992971]

Previous thread >>3948179

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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[Anonymous No.3992987]

>>3992971
I'm on R2 and am burned out
How can mere children have beaten this I don't know

[Anonymous No.3992995]

>>3992987
I'm playing the first one, and still didn't make it to the R2. Very hard.

[Anonymous No.3993003]

>>3992995
I beat R2 for Stadium 1 a few years back
I ended up completing the pokedex for Blue and abused the shit out of rare candies, tms, and drugs to make level 100 mons to stand a chance
some things to consider
>AI is a cheating dick
>using Gen II can be useful for moves and under leveled mons
>Under leveled mons can rock the lower cups
>Psychic is king

[Anonymous No.3993115]

In trying to get scanlines out of my CRT monitor, and managed to get decent results with nvidias resolution utility (top). But for some reason it's fine when I'm testing it, but that all goes out of the window when I actually set it to that resolution (bottom). I also tried CRU(1.3), but it seems to do a whole lot of nothing when fiddling about with it.

What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.3993175]

>You will never aquire a 2070sb monitor

[Anonymous No.3993235]

>>3993175
Reading all the bad user reviews out there begs the question why would you want one in the first place?

[Anonymous No.3993272]

>>3993115
How are you playing Sonic Mania?

[Anonymous No.3993278]

>>3993115
Run it at a lower resolution. 480p is going to have scanlines out the arse.

[Anonymous No.3993291]

>>3993272
It's just a still image at the resolution the game runs at. (424 x 240, the latter bumped up to 318 when setting the monitors resolution to keep the 4:3 aspect ratio.)

>>3993278
I /want/ the scanlines, and I'm running it at 424 x 318, but the monitor by default seems to have some sort of weird scaling before it actually hits the monitor, making the image look a bit like it does when enlarging a picture with some sort of filtering applied in a image editing program.

[Anonymous No.3993408]

>>3993235
I was hoping you'd bite anon, could you tell me why its a bad CRT Monitor? I want one because of how high the CRT's hz & resolution can go. Do you know a better alternative?

[Anonymous No.3993437]

>>3993408
Almost all the reports I saw cited poor corner sharpness and purity issues. The SB models came very late in the day as far as CRT production is concerned and I suspect things were winding down by that point.

That said, the previous (non-SB) Diamondtrons are supposed to be very good indeed so perhaps pin your hopes and dreams on one of those instead?

[Anonymous No.3993457]

>>3993437
I see thank you for telling me this anon!

[Anonymous No.3993587]

Hey /crt/

Can you explain to me why this shit here with the left edge of the screen is happening? I noticed it today and while it's not this big issue I'm gonna spring to solve, it does have me curious.

apologies if this is already covered here in some capacity or if it's some super basic shit everyone should know. I skimmed through the thread and don't think I saw anything and am also retarded

Thanks

[Anonymous No.3993590]

>>3993587
wow that picture could not have come through shittier

[Anonymous No.3993604]

Just wanted to share something that some of you might not be aware: I've been looking for PVMs for a while now, and recently found out that many Trinitron consumer TVs can be modded to receive an RGB signal. Those who have done it say it turns common sets into PVM-like quality TVs.
Just a heads up for those who have been looking for PVM/BVMs and have been coming up short.

[Anonymous No.3993614]

>>3993604
All colour TVs use RGB at some point, generally near the electron gun itself.

You can either tap directly into the neckboard or, preferably, into the OSD subsystem.

[Anonymous No.3993731]

>>3993291
Seems to be the drivers being stupid, updated 'em and it's working now.

[Anonymous No.3993798]

>>3993731
...Or at least it did, as long as I didn't touch it. I tried to set other resolutions for other consoles/games and it's broken again. Oh drivers, why do you have to be so easily broken?

[Anonymous No.3994236]

>>3993175
>You will never aquire an F980 monitor

[Anonymous No.3994260]

What's the best image I can get out of a NES, SNES and N64 without modifications and without native SCART input?

One of those S-Video cables?

The only other choice I can think of would be a scart-to-components mess of cables, but would it be noticeable better if I go through those conversion? Wouldn't it start to lag?

[Anonymous No.3994490]

>>3994260
Best video for a stock NES is composite. SNES and N64 can both do s-video stock, and it looks much better than composite. SNES mini can't do s-video without modding if I remember right.

straight RGB to component transcoders don't add any lag, you only get that with upscalers.

[Anonymous No.3994692]

>>3993798
Ffs, anon. What monitor, what PC, OS and GPU, and which utilities are you using to set what resolutions?

[Anonymous No.3994702]

>>3994490
>you only get [lag] with upscalers
or downscalers, or digital to analog conversion, or anything but 1:1 transcoding, really.

[Anonymous No.3994730]

>>3993604
>many Trinitron consumer TVs can be modded to receive an RGB signal
Some of them even have SCART inputs, so no modding necessary.
Depends on your location though.

[Anonymous No.3994924]

>>3993604
>tfw every trinitron in my country has a SCART input
for once it feels good to be europoor

[Anonymous No.3994942]

>>3994924
>tfw my main displays are a pair of 35 year old euro-market Profeels, 20" and 27", both with SCART and 34-pin RGB.

[Anonymous No.3994967]

>>3994924
>No picture needed to point out most cheap tvs SCART was just S-video or composite.

[Anonymous No.3995000]

>>3994967
that's a lie

[Anonymous No.3995006]

>>3994967
Maybe really cheap and small shit brand TVs.
Large shit brand TVs usually had two SCART inputs, and at least one was RGB SCART.

[Anonymous No.3995071]

>>3994692
Samsung SyncMaster 957DF
Windows 10
GTX 980
and a combination of banging my head between CRU(1.3) and nvidias control panel.

[Anonymous No.3995118]

>>3995071
best way to set up custom resolutions:
use CRU to delete everything, except one default resolution you don't intend to use (eg. 800x600/75Hz).
then add your own resolutions in nvidia control panel with GTF or custom timings.

[Anonymous No.3995131]

Do I need a CRT to play PS2?

Does it matter if the screen is curved or flat?

[Anonymous No.3995413]

>>3995131
Depends. If I were to flip the question, the only time you would need a non 15Khz CRT is accessing 480p output, with the exception of multiformat/multisync CRTs (Some arcade monitors, Some professional/broadcast monitors ex: Sony's D-series BVMs).

That being said, most games on the Playstation 2 output at 480i which looks like shit on an LCD without a good de-interlacer.

[Anonymous No.3995879]

Lass' Tentacruel/Gyrados is a nightmare with rental pokemon.

[Anonymous No.3996761]

>>3992971
Is this a good deal for 50 bucks? Will it deliver a quality picture for nes and playstation games?

[Anonymous No.3996763]

>>3996761
Here's the back

[Anonymous No.3996771]

>>3996761
>>3996763
Thought I pasted the specifications but clearly did not. It is a 36" Toshiba 36" CRT TV.
Hookups:
RGB
Video & R/L Audio
Antenna input

[Anonymous No.3996775]

>>3996771
There's no RGB, only S-Video.

I wouldn't pay 50 for it tbqh.

[Anonymous No.3996795]

>>3996775
Most appreciated, glad I asked here. I guess I should break down and take the time to learn something about these things myself if I really want a good one.

[Anonymous No.3996809]

>>3993590
it's not already covered. It's a bloom issue, or related, i reckon, though I've never seen it manifest quite that sharply before.

[Anonymous No.3996817]

>>3995071
...AND WHAT RESOLUTIONS ARE YOU TRYING TO SET?

[Anonymous No.3996898]

>>3996761
>>3996763
Not a bad set, would've been high end for early/mid-90s, just not even close to worth 50. Picture quality would be decent for NES over composite and Playstation would be pretty good over s-video.

[Anonymous No.3996904]

>>3996898
>not worth 50
Sure it is bud
Later on these things are gonna be a rarity
And thats a nice set>>3996898

[Anonymous No.3997050]

>>3996904
I've bought nicer sets for much less than $50. I own three Panasonics, including a similar 32 inch mid-90s Tau with composite and s-video. Picture quality is decent over s-video, I just wouldn't pay $50 for it. If that's its value to you that's okay.

[Anonymous No.3997338]

who /oldfag/ here

[Anonymous No.3997741]

>>3997338

[Anonymous No.3998185]

I'm going on the hunt today, I will let you guys know how it goes

[Anonymous No.3998217]

>>3998185
Good luck

[Anonymous No.3998223]

>>3998185

Try not to get raped.

[Anonymous No.3998232]

Thoughts on emulation shaders, or are they completely unrealistic?

[Anonymous No.3998235]

>>3998232
Different one

[Anonymous No.3998238]

>>3998232

That one looks just like the old Symphonic I used to have. Got rid of it around 2005 or so.

[Anonymous No.3998450]

>>3996809
how does bloom make the left edge of the screen disappear?

[Anonymous No.3998491]

>>3992971
You all seem cool as a witches tit. Could you please tell me if there is a method for removing screen burn in a sony pvm?

[Anonymous No.3998518]

>>3998491
literaly none

[Anonymous No.3998656]

Recently got this TV (plus the VCR, antenna, and stand) for 10$.

As far as inputs go, it has a coax and one (1) RCA on the back, and one (1) RCA on the front.

Now, I'm planning to set up more than just two systems for it (wife has NES, SNES, N64, NGC, Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, etc. in storage), and was wondering if anyone could recommend an RCA switcher that isn't complete trash.

[Anonymous No.3998845]

>>3998656
Basically any RCA AV switcher will be fine. It's analog, it's hard to totally fuck up. I got a 4 switch Sony from the goodwill for $3 a few weeks ago and it's great. Just grab whatever's cheap and aesthetically pleasing.

[Anonymous No.3998847]

>>3998656
also that is a really cute rig, i like the set and the stand a lot. reminds me of my parents' old house

[Anonymous No.3999005]

So I'm not the most well versed in exact terminology. I've noticed that some PVMs (including my own) have a "Super fine pitch" badge which means they get up to 450 lines of resolution whereas other PVMs only get 250.

How do the two types compare? Is there any real difference? I wanna get my buddy a PVM too and I was wondering if they were worthwhile since I've found a few nearby that are the 250 line variety.

[Anonymous No.3999230]

>>3998656
Do you get digital channels?

[Anonymous No.3999249]

Daily reminder to NEVER FUCKING EVER buy CRT's from eBay. Learn from my mistake. R.I.P JVC TM-A13SU.

[Anonymous No.3999252]

>>3999249
>S-Video
>320 TVL
And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous No.3999257]

>>3998845
>>3998847
Thanks. I'm probably just going to grab a cheap one off Amazon. Glad you like the setup.

>>3999230
Nope! But on the plus side, my city never jumped on the digital bandwagon, so I still manage to pick up the two analog channels.

[Anonymous No.3999310]

>>3999257
Jealous, it frustrates me that all my analog tuners are useless.

[Anonymous No.3999326]

>>3999252
It was the only thing I could find for a non-retarded price. Just needed something to display PAL.

[Anonymous No.3999410]

>>3999249
It's fine to buy from eBay. Just either pick it up yourself or INSIST on adequate packaging, preferably pallet shipping for anything over 14"

t. someone who's snagged amazing bargains over the past couple of years and never had a single issue beyond a tiny amount of cosmetic damage.

[Anonymous No.3999454]

I would love to get myself a nice SONY PVM but honestly just going through the hassle of getting all of the original systems and games puts me off that I end up just going back to lurking the internet for days on again and again

[Anonymous No.3999502]

So... I've been thinking about using a CRT projector, anyone used it?

I think it is a better alternative than the CRT TV.

I can't find too much information about it though.

[Anonymous No.3999508]

>>3999502
Curtpalme.com

They are about 5 times as hard to find, ship, adjust and maintain than CRT TV's, but provide absolutely stunning pictures.

[Anonymous No.3999535]

>>3999508
Can you see the scanlines, or the shadowmask?

I have a feeling that there is no shadowmask because each CRT just project one color.

How the color blend? Is there the Bloom Halation effect that the CRTs have?(I really like it).

[Anonymous No.3999541]

>>3999535
Scanlines yes, on low res stuff. Most data-grade projectors past the early 90's are going to be 1000+ TVL resolution, so think scanlines as big as your finger on a ~100 inch screen.

No, no shadowmask, monochrome tubes don't have them.

And it depends on how well you converge the lenses, but there is a bit of bloom effect.

[Anonymous No.3999556]

>>3999541
Nice, I don't really like the shadowmask but it helps to smooth the pixelated graphics.

I use composite cables with retro consoles because I think that the output artfacts help to blend the colors.

If I use a 90's projector, will it "blend" the pixels just like a CRT TV or will they be more defined?

And what about a modern projector?

[Anonymous No.3999570]

>>3999556
Composite will blur things a bit but you'll still have very well defined pixels and scanlines. My mid-80's Sony VPH-1020Q has a TVL count of 900 lines RGB, around 600 NTSC, which is pretty high.

Any 90's projectors still around would have been designed to work with resolutions of 1600x1200 and beyond. They were usually installed in graphics workstation setups and advanced simulators, so very sharp graphics and good picture quality were in mind.

Though if you really want a 'blurred' or blended picture, just defocus the lenses a bit. Not hard at all.

I've got 4 CRT Projectors, working on 5, so feel free to ask questions.

[Anonymous No.3999598]

>>3999570
I see...

So... you can defocus the lenses and change some configurations to create the bloom halation effects?

Can I get the same effects with a modern project, like Sony G90?

I've read that the Sony VPH-1001 has 480i resolution, would this one be better than the G90 for retro gaming if I want a blurry with bloom halation experience? I couldn't find how much TVL they output.

Also, is there any input lag? This is very important.

[Anonymous No.3999618]

>>3999598
Defocusing the lenses will get you some bloom effect, some will be present just by nature of it being a CRT tube.

You should be able to achieve the same effect with a Sony G90. The issue you're going to run into with newer stuff, especially anything with 8/9" tubes, is that your scan lines may end up being thicker than the actual lines of the image. This is where line doublers come into play. Older models should not introduce any lag into the video stream.
Experimentation with defocusing the tubes and lenses, as well as intentionally mis-adjusting convergence should produce the effect you're looking for.

No input lag at all, they are multi-scan projectors, so they will display whatever resolution you put into them natively without scaling/processing.

[Anonymous No.3999626]

>>3994942
how do you make use of 34 pin rgb? through a homemade cable?

[Anonymous No.3999642]

>>3999618
I see, thank you very much for the information, I think I'll be very glad with this setup.

I'll use the Sony VPH-1001 for now.

Can I use a common projector screen or do I need a specific one for CRT projectors?

[Anonymous No.3999659]

>>3999642
You can use a common screen as long as it's designed for video projectors. Old screens for film or slide projection have too high a gain, if I recall.

Older models are pretty easy to work with, my VPH-1020Q is only ~50 pounds so I can carry it myself, most newer projectors are in the 120 lb and up range, so a minimum two man carry.

A full analog chassis is also generally easier to work with and adjust on the fly, at the expense of not being able to get as good of a picture of a set with a digital chassis.

If you're going with a Sony, the entire VPH-10xx line is virtually identical, so don't limit yourself to just one model. And projectors aren't like TVs, Sony made good ones but other makes will be just as good.

[Anonymous No.3999671]

I originally asked this in the wrong thread, but do flat crt's warp the image more than curved?
And do widescreen crt's have the same issue? I'm considering the sony kvhr36m31

[Anonymous No.3999676]

>>3999659
I see, thank you very much for the information, you helped me a lot. :)

[Anonymous No.3999682]

I have a CRT doing weird colours.

When I turn it on I can see shades of blue, green and purple over the image being displayed.

How can I fix it?

[Anonymous No.3999698]

If I'm inserting 60 hz picture to my 50 hz television, does it show any difference? Or does it really matter?

[Anonymous No.3999708]

>>3999698
I add that the games I've tried are kof 2000 and super dbz on ps2. They have tests for 60hz and when I try it they jusy ask: Does this picture look good/Can you see this picture. I can, and I think the picture looks good, but I have nothing to compare it to.

[Anonymous No.3999709]

>>3999676
No problem. I'm probably gonna get out my 1020Q later this week and hook it up to my PS1. I'll try and get some pictures.

[Anonymous No.3999723]

>>3999709
I'm still redesigning my room, but that would be great, so everyone would have a good idea of how retro consoles looks with CRT projectors.

[Anonymous No.3999728]

>>3992971
Is that a CRT shader?

[Anonymous No.3999735]

>>3999723
Yeah. Once I get my VPH-1272Q out of storage, i want to show that off. Projectors are pretty much the only way to get real 1080p out of a CRT, short of PC monitors. Would be great for 6th/7th gen stuff.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3999741]

>>3999728
Nop

[Anonymous No.3999787]

>>3999708
>I can, and I think the picture looks good
then you're fine. A true 50Hz TV won't show a 60Hz signal. Most TV's from like the early 80's were fine with either 50 or 60Hz as long as the scan rate stayed about 15.7kHz.

[Anonymous No.3999791]

>>3997338
>>3997741
First pic no, second pic yes :)

[Anonymous No.4000471]

Are shaders for fags?

[Anonymous No.4000509]

>>3999249

does it still work if you plug in ??

if the tube isnt cracked it should still be ok ?

[Anonymous No.4000886]

>>3999618
What is a line doubler?

[Anonymous No.4000897]

>>4000471
not if they are that sxy

[Anonymous No.4000904]

>>3998656
>

clean setup, I like. Fix your window situation though.

[Anonymous No.4000973]

>>3999454
If you're not crazy into it then I would say it's not worth. Getting a 20inch is the only thing viable and even that's difficult to do. Then once you get it in your home you realize wow this is actually really huge but really small at the same time, I want more screen real estate.

Getting the systems etc isn't that huge of a deal if you know exactly what you want or would like to play. And flash carts exist if you don't really care too much about physical copies of games.

I liked my 20inch for a while when I first got it but now I enjoy my 36 SD CRT wayyyyyy more just for the screen size and multiplayer ability that it's capable of when I have friends over.

[Anonymous No.4000976]

hello, I just got a small Sylvania crt from my grandmother since she had it laying around. It's got mono sound composite inputs in the front, and an antenna coax in the back. I was wondering if I could get an original famicom working with it, or if I would need to get a different model?

[Anonymous No.4001398]

I'm considering buying a Sony 35" KV-35S66. The guy is listing it for $25. Is this a decent price? How decent will the picture be for third through fifth gen games?

[Anonymous No.4001531]

>>4000976
>>4001398
Why are you guys cross-posting?

Have a little patience. I'm sure all the serious tube-nuts are monitoring both threads anyhow.

[Anonymous No.4001547]

>>4000976
you can, absolutely. if you're able to use the cable tuner on it, you just need to set it to channel 95 (in most cases). I use my original Famis via RF on US TVs all the time. You can use an NES RF switch if you want, but a 'video game' RF cable with male RCAs on both ends and an RCA to f-type adapter is preferable.

[Anonymous No.4001769]

>>4000886
Basically an early version of a scaler. All it does is doubles the lines of a video signal, like the name implies, without any interpolation, blending, etc. So a 480i/240p signal becomes a 480p signal. They were typically analog devices so they didn't introduce any latency. Line triplers and quadruplers exist too.

[Anonymous No.4001914]

I always have these vertical bars that are visible on the left of my screen when it is displaying black. What causes that?

[Anonymous No.4001919]

>>4001914

Well, I'm retarded and that picture is rotated. The bars are now horizontal and at the bottom goddammit

[Anonymous No.4002001]

Hey /vr/ I recently purchased a 20L2MD and it blew me away with every game I tried, it just looks so good fell in love with it.
The only incredibly unfortunate downside is this horrible high pitch whine that it does. Its so loud and annoying that I can hear it even when I'm wearing headphones. And it never stops.
If someone can help me somehow pointing me to even a partial solution I'll be extremely grateful.

[Anonymous No.4002004]

>>4002001
There is no solution, the whine is the nature of the CRT display.

Seriously, this gets posted all the time. Does nobody remember the whine from TV's from when they were a kid?

[Anonymous No.4002010]

>>4002004
Most people back then had a literal deadzone in that frequency range and couldn't consciously hear it.

[Anonymous No.4002163]

Thinking about buying a CRT TV off of Ebay and was wondering if 14" was big enough to play games (Sitting at a desk), or should I go for something a bit bigger like 17" or 19"?

[Anonymous No.4002349]

>>3993291
Isn't that your card that does the scaling though? I ever put an Nvidia FX5200 in my DOS rig and it scaled everything to 640x480@60Hz.

[Anonymous No.4002368]

Anyone have a good recommendation for a model(s) similar to the Sony KV4000? I find the style aesthetic as well as convenient due to the compact shape. Not to mention the small screen is comfy.

[Anonymous No.4002856]

>>4002163
How big is your desk? A 9" PVM is good enough, I have one for my Famicom because of it's short controller wire length.

[Anonymous No.4002869]

Just got my hands on a toploader Famicom. I tried using the same SCART cable that my SFC uses and I could only get sound out of it.

I'm guessing SCART doesn't work with the toploader famicom but just asking to be sure.

[Anonymous No.4002873]

>>4002869
Fami PPU is literally incapable of outputting RGB, so unless your SCART cable is wired for composite you'll only get sound

[Anonymous No.4002891]

>>4002873
Yeah I was just hoping because it has the same AV plug that all Nintendo consoles from Snes to Wii use, time to go back into the attic and find a SCART adaptor so I can plug it into my switcher

[Anonymous No.4002923]

>>4002869
>>4002873
Whoops I just realised I called it a "toploader" even though both the original and AV Famicom both "topload" the games, that probably will confuse people

[Anonymous No.4002931]

>>4002891
Yeah, it's the same multi-out but it's not wired up for anything other than the single video out the Fami is capable of. I made the same mistake with an s-video cable before I understood anything about video signals and the Famicom.

[Anonymous No.4002937]

>>4002001
>>4002004
>>4002010
I have a suspicion that he might be complaining about something more than the crt whine. I used to have an issue with one of mine where it would start buzzing loudly.

From what I could learn with my rudimentary understanding is it was an issue of dust and other foreign particles getting on the tube and vibrating against something. I took a vacuum cleaner to the vents and after a few days it seemed to have fixed it and now I just have the normal quiet whistle

[Anonymous No.4002948]

>>3992971
What TV is that?

[Anonymous No.4002950]

>>4002869
If the SFC cable is fully and correctly wired, then it will have voltage on pin 16 and thus forcing RGB mode. Except of course AVFami doesn't carry RGB.

[Anonymous No.4003506]

>>4002937
Isn't a buzz usually coming from the flyback?

[Anonymous No.4003934]

I was thinking about buying pic related from aliexpress to play my s video modded genesis on a vga crt computer monitor. Will that do the job abs does it cause any lag?

[Anonymous No.4004110]

>>4003934
It'll probably work. It'll also probably look like balls.

[Anonymous No.4004115]

>>4000897
yeah, that's a nice pic.

[Anonymous No.4004123]

>>4001919
DESU it looks like a ringing issue you used to see in Arcade chassis when you left the remote harness plugged in and weren't meant to.

What set/monitor?

[Anonymous No.4004125]

Shit's hard to take a photo of

[Anonymous No.4004271]

Gigantic TV at the Seattle Capitol Hill goodwill for $20

[Anonymous No.4004420]

>>4003934
steer clear, those kinds of shitscalers cause a lot of input lag. it's passable for movies but not for gaming

[Anonymous No.4004423]

>>4004125
Even with the sub par photo, the TV looks really nice.

[Anonymous No.4004947]

>>4004123

It's a commodore monitor. Is the ringing issue fixable?

[Anonymous No.4005598]

Got another jvc, FUCK YEAR. Best of all, all buttons intact

[Anonymous No.4005737]

>>4000471
What shader is that?

[Anonymous No.4005784]

>>4001769
Thanks anon, I can't find anything on Google though.

[Anonymous No.4005793]

>>4005784
Forget it, I found it, thanks.

[Anonymous No.4005839]

>>4004947
Honestly. I don't know. Try shortening your cables, or using ferrite beads/rings where you can. This goes for inside the unit as well. But it shouldn't be happening like that on a fixed monitor, which may mean it's something else entirely.

[Anonymous No.4005890]

How do you tell if a crt is digital display?

[Anonymous No.4006043]

I went out and bought a random, shitty crt at a yard sale because I am tired of playing on a 52 in lcd. The hook up says uhf/vhf/catv. Is this a type of rf? It is a sanyo, looks fairly new for a crt. Unfortunately someone tore the sticker off the back with the model number.

[Anonymous No.4006090]

>>4006043

Catv should be a coaxial port which is RF. You can also buy a converter for less than 5 bucks for VHF to allow it to accept rf

[Anonymous No.4006263]

What's with this distinction between VHF/UHF/RF? Is it yet another erroneous NA thing?

They all come under the umbrella of Radio[/spoiler] Frequency.

[Anonymous No.4006273]

What's with this distinction between VHF/UHF/RF? Is it yet another erroneous NA thing?

They all come under the umbrella of Radio Frequency.

[Anonymous No.4006306]

>>4006273
VHF came first, and covered channels 1 through 13 or something.

Then came UHF, which was higher frequency than VHF, and it covered 14 through 84 or whatever.

Then Cable came along, and was on a totally different band because reasons, and had channels 1 through 100something.

[Anonymous No.4006436]

>>4006306
I get that but why are people talking about RF as if it's something totally separate?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4006659]

>>4006436
In regards to the anon right above, they're just reading what the CRT itself is labeled for.

Perhaps another case of misnomers, but when if you were to say a TV has a VHF/UHF input, I would think either just a straight up antenna or twin-lead connections where RF gives more the impression of a coaxial input of some sort.

[Anonymous No.4006713]

>>4005890
For consumer crt tvs check the back for presence of HDMI or DVI (VGA is very uncommon) connectors, or if it has component inputs check to see if they're labeled 480p720p1080i.

[Anonymous No.4006817]

>>4005890
What exactly do you mean by "digital"?

>>4006713
Only one of those (HDMI) is exclusively digital though. DVI *can* be but just as often it's simply VGA signals over a different connector. VGA is analogue as is YPbPr Component.

The upshot is Progressive Scan =/= Digital.

[Anonymous No.4007297]

>>4006817
Oops I think I meant hd... are digital CRTs even a thing? Sorry I am very new to this and still learning.

[Anonymous No.4007302]

>>4006713
Thank you

[Anonymous No.4007384]

>>3992971
Does anon have recommendations on how to turn my modern pcs vga signal into component for a crt?

[Anonymous No.4007418]

>>4007384

Some cheap electronic from aliexpress might do

[Anonymous No.4007428]

>>4007384
Pic related is what I use.

It's rather nice.

[Anonymous No.4007460]

>>4007297
>>4007302
De nada, and it's cool I knew what you meant.

[Anonymous No.4007763]

Is there any explanation for why the GameCube sometimes will give out an RGB signal that's entirely only the Blue signal and really fucked up sync?

I've had it happen to me twice and both times I fixed it without any indication of what caused it.

[Anonymous No.4008191]

>>3999709
That sounds good.

[Anonymous No.4008701]

Is it safe to put a PVM in vertical orientation?

[Anonymous No.4008805]

>>4008701
I think it's safe if you let it sit for a day before turning it on.

[Anonymous No.4009836]

My cat is a retard and fell from my FW900 while sleeping, slightly scratching the glass trying to recover.
Is there any way to repair small scratches on a CRT ?

[Abwezi No.4009923]

>>4007384
I use this cord http://m.ebay.ca/itm/141663388712?_mwBanner=1

with this transcoder https://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis/dp/B004XSSDPO

No matter who's suggested parts you use for your connection afaik you must have a CRT_Emudriver compatible AMD card so I'd check the 2.0 thread and make sure you're up to spec http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295

Good luck!

[Anonymous No.4009960]

>>4009836
peel off the anti-glare coating and all minor scratches will be removed with it

[Anonymous No.4010038]

Just purchased pic related from ebay. Will I need anything additional to get it displayed on an US Sony trinitron from the 80s? I've read online that I may have to get a US RF adapter instead. Can anyone confirm?

[Anonymous No.4010481]

ikegami htm-2050ra1

[Anonymous No.4010485]

>>4010481

[Anonymous No.4010493]

>>4010038
Channel 95 and 96 are 1 and 2 on the Famicom, respectively. You need an RF cable to connect it to the TV. You can use an NES one, or just a male-male RCA RF cable with an F-type adapter on the end.

[Anonymous No.4010502]

>>4010493
To add to that, I also use an 80s Trinitron and both channels 95 and 96 work fine. 95 is roughly the same frequency as an FM radio station that's particularly strong in my city, so 96 is cleaner. It's a matter of location, either should do the trick.

[Anonymous No.4010653]

>>4010502
thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.4010887]

>>4007418
Don't bother with these, as they default to 720p output. Attempting various other resolutions never worked for me...

>>4007428
That's interesting. I couldn't get a similar model to work, but I also may not have properly understood the various settings.

I ended up daisy-chaining a VCS500 to a RGB203Rxi because these things are stupid cheap nowadays.

>>4009923
Yeah, I wish this was an option. But I'm a laptop guy, and I bought my latest with a 970m not knowing anything about this...

[Anonymous No.4011154]

>>3999735
Did you do it anon?

[Anonymous No.4011179]

>>4011154
Not yet, lol. Might tomorrow. I just worked a 60 hour week so I haven't been feeling up for it.

On the other hand, I did get finished making a DIY OG Xbox component cable for use with my PVM-20M2MDU. I know it's not /retro/ but given how depressed ive been lately it's an achievement.

[Abwezi No.4011651]

>>4010887
I was on the same boat I didn't have a compatible gpu but thankfully have a desktop so I just got a cheap AMD off craigslist. I might have to purchase a new transcoder though I'm getting this scrolling background static using it with my tv for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.4011825]

I finally got my hands on a really good CRT. Time to get rid of that retro trio and get a really SNES.

Ignore the sad state of my room. I've been busy lately.

[Anonymous No.4011901]

what tv size to play psx?

[Anonymous No.4011976]

>>4011901
you mean the ps1 or the psx?

[Anonymous No.4011981]

>>4011901
Depends on how close you're sitting. I'm using a 13" for everything at the moment, but I live in a one bedroom apartment, and have the TV stand set up so I can sit on the side of my bed and play, it's like a foot away from the TV so it is totally workable. If you're in a living room or something, you'd want something much larger.

[Anonymous No.4012037]

>>4011976
I mean PS/model#/1/one, or to put is simple: PS-X or PSX
(Not to mistake it with the Sony PSX digital video recorder)

>>4011981
Then whats a good size ratio for a typical seat distance where scanlines and pixels blends away so it's confortable to play without noticing but not having the feeling that the tv is too small or is too far?

[Anonymous No.4012046]

>>4012037
I'm don't have any good 'seat-to-screen' ratios off the top of my head, just what feels good to me. The largest CRT I ever had was ~24", and that was in high school. That was too small as the living room TV, and I had another in my room; definitely worked better up close, but larger than that starts to get really unwieldy. Another anon will probably have some better hard science for you.

[Anonymous No.4012072]

>>4012046
al least you tried, thanks boy

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.4012128]

If anyone here lives in LA and wants to pick up a shitload of monitors for next to nothing, let me know. I've got my eye on eight NEC XP29 monitors, among many others. Most have flight cases. I wish I didn't live in Florida.

[Anonymous No.4012154]

>>4012128
USA, the country that cool things happen in / have cool things, but are completely boned if you live in nearly 90% of the country.

I would like to get stuff like this, but all of the BVM/PVM's and such only seem to exist in california.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.4012161]

>>4012154
I've paid a lot for freight shipments, thinking that I'll make the difference back up when I resell my stock on RGBCRT.com. I'm still setting up and ordering boxes though.

[Anonymous No.4012179]

>>4012161
Good to see you, hombre. Did any of your 5041Qs end up having working composite? I bought one from you that works great on RGB but the composite was sadly DOA.

[Anonymous No.4012201]

>>4012072
>>4012046
>>4011901
screen size is roughly relative to viewing distance. If you have a 14-inch monitor you'll want to be around 14 inches away during use. Same for 20/24-inch monitors.

Once you get to 27 and up you get into living room sized sets, viewing range on these is more relaxed and the ideal distance can fall within a margin of +/- several feet.

[Anonymous No.4012243]

>>4012046
6x screen height is the generally accepted minimum viewing distance

[Anonymous No.4012384]

>>4011179
No problem.

[Anonymous No.4013280]

>>4012179
I got about 8x 5041s but some need more work than others. Haven't forgotten ya bud.

[Anonymous No.4014059]

>>4013280
Aw thanks buddy, I didn't assume you had! Look forward to hearing from you, and take your time!

[Anonymous No.4015000]

so now that I have a JVC with all buttons, I'm thinking of sending them for 3d scanning and printing, so I can have replacements for the broken ones and 3d files for others having broken buttons...

[Anonymous No.4015034]

>>4015000
Cool blog

I subscribed for further updates

[Anonymous No.4015040]

>>4015034
thx
do you have a JVC too ? Does it have all buttons ?

[Anonymous No.4015048]

>>4015040
Yes and yes.

Protip, I didn't get it shipped by some bucketshop courier company.

[Anonymous No.4015059]

>>4015048
JVC buttons are prone to breaking, because of how they flex and push.

[Anonymous No.4015067]

>>4015059
I am fully erect.

Please, tell me more.

[Anonymous No.4015116]

>>4015067
When you push the button you put strain on the vertical part because the tactile microswitch is flat on the board.

[Anonymous No.4015609]

>>4011825
> Mischief Makers


Excellent choice anon

[Anonymous No.4016850]

I'm looking to output the signal from my PC to a consumer CRT television. Is this transcoder all I'd need?

[Anonymous No.4017049]

>>4016850
do you have an HD CRT or an SD CRT?

[Anonymous No.4017681]

Would I be stupid for buying a 9" PVM on ebay with free shipping?

Possible safe shipping?

[Anonymous No.4018436]

>>4017681
Yes, exceedingly so. Especially considering you're probably going to be paying through the nose for a next-to-useless display.

[Anonymous No.4018483]

I got this 27" Philips flatscreen the other day for free. Does anyone get triggered over the flatscreen CRTs? Picture looks great on it. You can tell a kid was using it, with dirty ass hands.

[Anonymous No.4018905]

I want to adjust the focus pot inside my PVM 14M2U without dying.

Can someone tell me every possible safety measure I can take in detail? I need some encouragement.

[Anonymous No.4018915]

>>4018483
I have that same TV, it's not bad at all. Surprisingly good sound too

[Anonymous No.4018969]

>>4018905
Step 1: Use an insulated screwdriver
Step 2: Try not to lick anything I guess

[Anonymous No.4019091]

>>4018969
I did it. The 14m2u lets you adjust it with a phillips screwdriver from the other side of the circuit board with the pot on it which was nice. But the plastic was so weak that I basically stripped the screw in the meantime. It can still be adjusted from the other side but I got it close enough so I don't care anymore.

Now that I've taken the plunge though I feel obligated to correct the convergence, but the magnet ring things don't wanna move when I push them with my screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.4019141]

>>4019091
>the magnet ring things don't wanna move when I push them with my screwdriver

They'll be glued in place (and brittle) so go easy. You really don't want to break them.

[Anonymous No.4019171]

>>4019141
thanks

[Anonymous No.4019175]

>>4018915
Good to know. I still need to get it hooked up, and I was worried about _having_ to get a set of speakers for it. If it sounds alright, I can postpone that

[Anonymous No.4019305]

>>4019175
The DNR, enhanced surround, and enhanced contrast features are pretty nice to turn on depending on what games you're playing

[Anonymous No.4019310]

>>4019305
>DNR
Presumably turn-based RPGs?

[Anonymous No.4019519]

Is this considered a 'PVM' ?
Its a Montgomery Ward JSA 12256
Can't find any info of it on the net.

Ports: 1x Coax. 1x UHF, 2x 'Composite' ports(named 'video' and 'audio'). Also two adjustment screws in back that are labelled 'screen' and 'focus'

Front knobs (hard to see in photo)
Contrast, Brightness,Tint, Color, V.hold,sharpness

back pic coming below

[Anonymous No.4019526]

>>4019519

back

[Anonymous No.4019538]

>>4019519
>>4019526
Monitors by definition don't have tuners.

What you have there is an off-brand TV. Nothing special.

[Anonymous No.4019847]

>>4012161
Do you sell monitors and ship to Texas by chance?

[Anonymous No.4019931]

Can someone recommend me some great sounding and fairly cheap stereo speakers for my 14M2U?

[Anonymous No.4020895]

>>4018905
>>4019091
for future reference, just avoid touching these parts. Worst case scenario: You get zapped.

[Anonymous No.4020906]

RadioShack is in the process of liquidating. Run anons and get all the supplies you need for the rest of your life

[Anonymous No.4020940]

>>4020895
If you touch those bits yeah, you just get zapped.

If you touch the big power supply capacitors to the top left, you get DEAD.

[Anonymous No.4020962]

>>3992971
wtf I remember being hype for this game coming out and now it's "retro"

[Anonymous No.4020972]

>>4020962
Individual people can't be hype or hyped though. You were excited and anticipating.

[Anonymous No.4020978]

>>4020972
languages evolve.

[Anonymous No.4021596]

>>4017049
SD CRT

[Anonymous No.4021749]

>>4021596
Don't get that one then, 9A60 is for HD tvs.

[Anonymous No.4021753]

>>4021749
So what can I do to output to a SD CRT?
I don't have to hunt down one of the rare and long outdated Extrons, do I?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4021763]

>>4020906
For all stores, or is it just certain ones again?

[Anonymous No.4021948]

>>4021753
Well yeah an Extron Emotia would be the ideal way to go. Cheaper route for an SD crt is using a softmodded Wii

[Anonymous No.4021971]

>>4021948
So there's no way to output a 240p signal from a PC to a SD CRT without buying an obscure piece of hardware that may or may not be available.

Guess I'm sticking with with CRT monitors.

[Anonymous No.4022051]

few questions:

When a tv only has 1 composite audio input, does that mean its not getting/cant get true stereo from its input? Also should I hook up the Red or White audio cable to the single input?

Is RGB better on an LCD than composite? Or is it on a console-to-console basis? RGB from my wii makes the whites super bright and poorly defined on my LCD

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4022062]

>>4021971
Depending on what sort of inputs your CRT has will determine how hard it'd be to go from a PC to said SD CRT.

crt_emudriver and the appropriate video card will get you proper 240p video right from the PC, as RGBHV; From there, if your CRT has component, you just need to get a hold of the proper transcoder; I have no experience with the one linked above, but a simple PDF for it seems to suggest it ONLY transcodes, so as long as it will actually take the low resolution properly, it should work. A somewhat harder to get a hold of transcoder, the Key Digital KD-VTCA3, I can confirm most definitely will take 240p and give proper YPbPr out.

If you feel like messing around with sync processing, a simple Extron RGB Interface(<$20), a bit of cabling and either a CSY-2100 clone or the Shinybow SB-2840 will also work; The former isn't the highest of quality and the latter is currently out of stock until July so you sorta have to pick your poison on that one.
If you need Composite or S-Video, it'd be a bit more involved due to needing to find a proper encoder for them.

A simple PC Monitor and perhaps some filters or what have you is absolutely a much simpler route to take.

[Anonymous No.4022070]

>>4022062
But either way I'd need to go out and get a separate GPU, flash a third party driver, and then mess with various hardware options.

If my GPU can already output 15kHz, could I avoid that? Or is this a completely different type of conversion taking place?

[Anonymous No.4022094]

Sage for not retro, but I wanted to ask. I have my PS2 connected via S-Video to my CRT, and in some games (not all) I'll notice a checkerboarding effect. Some PS1 games will have it and some will not, and some PS2 games will have it and some will not. I don't think it's the cables, because they're the ones sold for the PS3 and they were genuine, but maybe not. Is it possible what I'm seeing was just part of how the game was designed? I'd assume if the cables were shit every game would have it, but that's not the case. I've tried taking pictures but I don't think it would show without a capture card or something.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4022097]

>>4022051
If you don't have two pairs of audio inputs to go along with said video input, no you aren't getting stereo; At best, you may be getting dual mono if the CRT for whatever reason has two speakers but only one audio input.

RGB would be preferable to composite on an LCD, if only due to how obvious and blatant the artifacting and color smearing would be on a such a display.

>>4022070
Depending on what video card(s) you may currently have, you could just use the one you currently have.

Alternatively to crt_emudriver, if you're familiar with linux, some xrandr fuckery should be able to get you the same result without the driver swap.

Once you've got low res RGB out, any hardware outside of the PC is just there to get your CRT to properly support the signal type. If you've already got support for RGB, it's a more simple process.

[Anonymous No.4022107]

>>4022094
sounds like dithering to me.

[Anonymous No.4022127]

>>4022107
So is it just an inherent flaw of the cable type? This is my first foray outside of standard composite and I don't know all the little quirks.

[Anonymous No.4022131]

Or rather, a flaw of the games themselves because they were designed with composite in mind.

[Anonymous No.4022135]

>>4022127
No, it means the particular game is relying on composite to dither the image in order to produce the intended visuals. Probably not something you're going to have to deal with much though. I don't believe many 6th gen games relied on it.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4022137]

>>4022135
At least for the PS1, it could also just be from the "fullscreen" dithering the GPU does.

[Anonymous No.4022161]

>>4022135
>>4022137
Well as long as it's not a cable problem it's not too annoying, I'm just used to games like Resident Evil or Katamari Damacy looking a certain way and the difference made me assume something was broken.

[Anonymous No.4022203]

>>4022097

thanks for the reply

[Anonymous No.4022415]

Is this worth $30? About to buy this.

[Anonymous No.4022417]

>>4022415
Back of it

[Anonymous No.4022451]

>>4022415
Go for it, 27FS100/120s are awesome for retro. Great screen size while still light enough for one person to hoof it around. two composites, 1 s-video, and 1 component all good inputs but an a/v switch is a must-buy. Picture quality on these is excellent

[Anonymous No.4023232]

>>3998656
if you pull that curtain all the way to the wall, i'd say this looks 8/10 comfy would enjoy while silently but futilely trying to suppress my crippling nostalgia for the 90s when life was easier and better

[Anonymous No.4023250]

>>4022415
>>4022417
>>4022451
oh, you guys do advising?

considering getting a KV-29FX65E, currently at 35 euro but i'd lowball the dude at 20 and take it for 25 i guess. spanish manufacture.

does anyone have any experience with those sets? any good?

[Knuckles No.4023271]

>>4023250
Get it

[Anonymous No.4023284]

>>4023250
29FX65E is great for retro too, one RGB scart port and two composite/s-video scart ports, also normal s-video and composite ports. Has a built-in headphone jack too, very convenient

[Anonymous No.4023315]

>>4023250
>>4023284
>KV-29FX65E
AE5 chassis is 100hz, avoid.

[Anonymous No.4023330]

>>4023271
>>4023284
nice thanks

>>4023315
can you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.4023353]

>>4023330
AE5 chassis is on many other models, and is 100hz.
100hz processing will introduce visual artifacts and lag, along with lack of scanlines, just like HD models in north america.

[Anonymous No.4023358]

Best way to hook up 6 consoles via RGB (probably SCART) to my PVM 20L2MD at once?
I'd get an Extron but I'm not sure I understand how I'd hook that up either.

[Anonymous No.4023367]

>>4023358
A 6 input SCART switch, 1 pic related, 4 RCA to RCA cables and 4 RCA to BNC adaptors.

[Anonymous No.4023387]

>>4023367
My problem is that I don't want to spend $100 on a switch I guess.

[Anonymous No.4023390]

>>4023358
ghetto CBT3245 DIY switcher
>>4023367
I don't think I've seen more than 5 inputs mecanical switch. And above you have shinybow / superg switches.

[Anonymous No.4023415]

>>4023387
>>4023390
Just have 5 systems hooked up then and swap in the 6th as needed.

Is it really that much effort?

[Anonymous No.4023419]

>>4023415
depending on cable lenghts and accessibility, might be.

[Anonymous No.4023426]

>>4023419
You just leave the 6th SCART next to the switch...

[Anonymous No.4023428]

>>4023353
alright thanks, i'll think about it

[Anonymous No.4023435]

>>4023415
I mean,I could just get a Power Base Converter and then I'm onto 5 systems but it's very difficult to find a cheap switch in the US.

[Anonymous No.4023438]

>>4023428
this is a list I put up while I search for a suitable model.
Of course it is incomplete, but you can search for model chassis and see if it matches for 50 or 100hz.
>>4023435
you can get and everdrive and play SMS games on an MD.

[Anonymous No.4023443]

>>4023428
>>4023438
also note that last letter is country related so it might change, but the chassis will be the same.

[Anonymous No.4024048]

>>4023438
Very true, but either way, it's still exceedingly difficult to find non-Extron switches for RGB in America.

[Anonymous No.4024065]

>>4024048
If that can help you, this one works good, and isn't too expensive. Seller seems reasonable for shipping too.
only thing you might need is to add some audio out, very easy to do.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dencon-5-Way-Scart-Lead-Adaptor-Switch-Splitter-for-TV-/131458218335?hash=item1e9b85395f:g:62QAAOSwx2dYCjex

[Anonymous No.4024171]

Do many dreamcast games use dithering? I can't afford the VGA/Svideo box right now and it'd ease my pain a bit knowing certain titles were made with composite in mind.

[Anonymous No.4024174]

>>4024171
literaly no DC games were made with composite in mind.
Even 240p 2d games have an RGB origin, the arcades.

[Anonymous No.4024182]

>>4024174
Wonderful.

[Anonymous No.4024194]

>>4024171
there's nothing about dithering that makes it made for composite since PCs did it too.

[Anonymous No.4024231]

>>4024194
Depends on the implementation. The technique used on Genesis to artificaly increase the color space relies exclusively on composite.

[Anonymous No.4024419]

>>4021763
allllllllll stores

[Anonymous No.4024639]

Some fag goes around and grabs all CRT's from the side of the road then lists them on ebay for $50 with "PERFECT FOR RETRO GAMING NES SEGA PS1" in the title.

They were already scarce because our government gave everyone $900 and they all bought LCD's and plasmas about 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.4024828]

Okay I found a CRT monitor that is 19" apparteru grill with bnc inputs for 10 euros and can do:


1920 x1440 NI @ 77 Hz 1152x 864 NI@ 125 Hz

1856 x1392 NI @ 80 Hz 1024x 768 NI@ 140 Hz

1792 x1344 NI @ 83 Hz 800 x600 NI @ 175 Hz

1600 x1200 NI @ 92 Hz 640 x480 NI @ 180 Hz

1280 x1024 NI @ 107 Hz

is it good ?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4024832]

>>4024828
A model number would be better, but that'd be make quite a good PC monitor.

Not so much for consoles, aside from DC and maybe some 480p+ 6+7th gen.

[Anonymous No.4024835]

>>4024832

Nokia 930c

here is the manual for it

http://office.manualsonline.com/manuals/mfg/nokia/930c.html?p=12

[Anonymous No.4024865]

Does the note suggest to you guys that standard PAL signals wouldn't get framedoubled?

That's how I'm reading it.

[Anonymous No.4024867]

>>4024171
Just get a SCART cable for it.

[Anonymous No.4024895]

>>4024867
But I'm a burger with a burger CRT.

[Anonymous No.4025195]

I suspect my early 2000s Panasonic Tau CRT may have some kind of dynamic contrast thing going on. Was this common in CRTs of that era? If so, how might I disable it?

[Anonymous No.4026085]

I thought id post this here, an old 1980 black/white CRT hooked up to a PS3.
It's so old you can fuck with the verticle and horizontal hold and it cant even convert some colors properly so they display has flickering black bars

[Anonymous No.4026105]

>>4026085
and a ps3 game

[Anonymous No.4026175]

>>4026105
neat, anon. got a shot of the whole set?

[Anonymous No.4026178]

https://columbus.craigslist.org/vgm/6151404101.html

Should I go for it? Case is cracked but looks dead sexy otherwise.

[Anonymous No.4026201]

What are some god-tier LARGE CRTs for gaming purposes? I've heard great things about the KV-36FV310 and KV-36HS510 (does DVI too!). Which ones should I really be looking for, and which ones should I avoid? Currently using a 27" Sanyo Flatscreen CRT, but it's a bit small for a living room setup and the pixels aren't as sharp as I'd like.

[Anonymous No.4026206]

>>4021749
>9A60 is for HD tvs


I use it on SD with groovymame. It works fine.

[Anonymous No.4026217]

>>4026201
>pixels aren't as sharp as I'd like.


Larger crts are less sharp (for ones of the same model line). The sharpest consumer ones I've seen are the silver flat trinitrons. Also using a good connection like component or at least svideo, and adjusting those little pots on the transformer will make a big difference for sharpness. Tv color and contrast settings can help sharpen it too.

[Anonymous No.4026224]

>>4021971
You really have to fuck with stuff. I use groovymame/crt emudriver, and an old radeon card into that audio authority one mentioned and it works fine. I also have a little rgb to svideo board for superguns that works well too. You just have to buy some shit and see what works and what doesn't. Its still a pretty cheap hobby. Pic is using the audio authority.

[Anonymous No.4026227]

>>4026224
>rgb to svideo board

http://www.sintron-hk.com/Wei-ya-CV-04-RGB-CGA-to-TV-composite-video-converter--P2699937.aspx

[Anonymous No.4026230]

>>4026227
also have heard good things about this one

[Anonymous No.4026235]

>>4026230
So I bet a combination of the ultimate scart adapter, this scart to component adapter, and a component tv would be great for a groovymame setup.

[Anonymous No.4026267]

>>4026224
>>4026227
>>4026230
>>4026235

So there'd be no way to convert the signal from a modern GPU to do something like that?
That's a real shame, especially for 5th gen emulation and up.

[Anonymous No.4026279]

>>4026224
Used to be something called the ArcadeVGA that was a vid card made just for putting out arcade video signals. Seems it's still around and upgraded a bit, but it won't do anything fancy like Wii/PS2 emulation.

https://www.ultimarc.com/avgainf.html

[Anonymous No.4026307]

>>4026279
its just a radeon with flashed bios

[Anonymous No.4026328]

>>4026175
I can make some next thread.
Its a magnavox from 1980,dated august.

[Anonymous No.4026332]

>>4026328
rad, I grew up with a magnavox. here's my 5" b&w goodwill crt I use on my desk with RF consoles occasionally.

[Anonymous No.4027132]

The service menu on my TV isn't working. What's going on? It was working just fine a couple of weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.4027384]

What does /CRT/ think of the Sony PVM-1341? Just picked one up and I'm wondering how good of a PVM it is.

Also, how do I go about checking stuff like burn in and other benchmarks?

[Anonymous No.4027560]

>>4027384
>Sony PVM-1341
Good mid-range model. 600 line tvl and supports RGB, s-vid and composite. Good for retro, and should be pretty sharp.
Here's your owner's manual:
https://docs.sony.com/release//PVM1344Q.PDF
and this has info on running 240p test suite:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=240p_test_suite

[Anonymous No.4027589]

>>4020895
8-Bit Guy explained how to discharge a CRT in his Macintosh SE restoration video.
https://youtu.be/wXWlJFrX19s?t=267 Here's a link, in the certain time when he talks about it.

[Anonymous No.4027617]

hey /crt/, remember to clean out your TVs once in a while.

here's 26 years worth of dust inside my KV-20TS30.

[Anonymous No.4027618]

>>4027617
here's the flyback transformer

[Anonymous No.4027626]

>>4027618

[Anonymous No.4027649]

>>4027589
thats the only e celeb i watch, he admits to being cancerous in two of his videos where he shows off shit products, but later said he wont do it anymore

[Anonymous No.4027807]

How do I fix these geometry issues? Top half of the screen is slightly shifted to the left and the very top is all fucked up. The service menu isn't helping.
It's a Toshiba 30hf84.

[Anonymous No.4028302]

>>4026332
Here is a snap of the set with wild 9 via ps3

>>4027617
>>4027618
>>4027626
i bet it still works

[Anonymous No.4028310]

>>4027618

[Anonymous No.4028313]

>>4028302
And a clearer one with Ninja Gaiden 2.
The image likes to spazz out at certain colors(or would be colors) and noticed knobs to control both the verticle and horizontal holds but also a knob on each of the channel switchers that also adjust the image.


Also the image is cut off by an incredible amount

[Anonymous No.4028378]

I'm curious if anyone here has tried using an OSSC with an HDMI-to-VGA adapter to play retro games on a PC CRT monitor. Seems like a potentially interesting setup.

[Anonymous No.4028382]

All these cables and switches for RGB are too expensive.

Can I make custom RGB cables with shielded ethernet cable?

[Anonymous No.4028456]

Why does /CRT/ hate PC monitors?

[Anonymous No.4028527]

>>4028456
I don't.

[Anonymous No.4028806]

>>4028456
I just lurk here but PC monitors are way more interesting than TVs imo.

[Anonymous No.4028853]

>>4026224
Is there any risk of blowing out your TV by sending it the wrong signal from your PC?

[Anonymous No.4028867]

Before I go and pick up a remote online, do y'all think messing around in the service menu could fix this or is this going to require me cracking this open?

[Anonymous No.4028871]

>>4028456
thats a pretty delicious picture, what monitor is this?

[Anonymous No.4028927]

>>3994924
Be glad you're a european, you don't want to know the shit we have to go through.

[Anonymous No.4028937]

>>3992971
>pick up random crt off the street
>washed the fuck out colors, clearly seen 1 million hrs of use

[Anonymous No.4028945]

>Tfw only crt has a scart output
What do? I do have a composite to scart converter if that helps.

[Anonymous No.4028946]

>>3992987
What's R2?

[Anonymous No.4028998]

Is Retrogamingcables the only decent site to get genesis RGB cables from? Would prefer to buy from a US seller.

[Anonymous No.4029082]

>>4028527

>FW-900

can I have your house address and the 3 best places to break into it in descending order?

[Anonymous No.4029105]

Someone is selling one of these guys near me on the cheap
https://www.cnet.com/products/viewsonic-optiquest-v95-crt-monitor-19-series/specs/
How would a 5:4 monitor like this handle the Dreamcast over VGA? Would I be getting black bars on the sides?

[Anonymous No.4029110]

>>4028313
That looks terrible. why would anyone want to play games with that thing?

[Anonymous No.4029112]

>>4029105
it's still a 4/3 monitor. DC will be plenty fine.

[Anonymous No.4029126]

>>4029112
1600 x 1280 isn't 4:3 though

[Anonymous No.4029128]

>>4029126
CRT don't have a native res, and I'm pretty sure 5/4 CRTs don't exist.

[Anonymous No.4029136]

>>4028527
>the meme tube
absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous No.4029161]

>>4029128
Definitely 5:4

[Anonymous No.4029169]

>>4029161
I don't see any mention of tube dimensions.

[Anonymous No.4029172]

>>4029161
resolution =/= glass tube format.
At some point 1280x1024 was commonly used on 4/3 monitors, but the aspect was squished.

just get the thing, DC will be fine.

[Anonymous No.4029173]

>>4029169
Assuming then that this is 4:3 screen, wouldn't 1600X1280 look squished?

[Anonymous No.4029185]

>>4029173
see >>4029172

[Anonymous No.4029196]

>>4029172
>>4029185
So that's something that started happening in the wake of 5:4 LCDs being popular? I take it 1600X1200 will look more "correct" on this over 1600X1280?

[Anonymous No.4029223]

>>4029196
Think of it this way, a CRT monitor is limited by the horizontal frequency, not really the tube. 1600x1280@60Hz is a 80 or so KHz signal so we can deduce the horizontal frequency of this monitor is going to be 80KHz. This is going to be the factor that decides how high a resolution and refresh rate you can use on this, like 800x600 is gonna run at 120Hz but just barely.

[Anonymous No.4029224]

>>4029223
oh and this does mean you can technically go over that 1600x1280 number. you might be able to do 1920x1440@50Hz but enjoy the headache.

[Anonymous No.4029340]

>>4029196
this exactly.

[Anonymous No.4029420]

>>4028867

I just picked up one of these tvs, pretty decent picture. You talking about the geometry? It looks like the yoke is tilted just ever so slightly. There is pincushion/horizontal * vertical overscan adjustment but no rotation that I know of.

[Anonymous No.4029432]

>>4029420
I've never made adjustments like this before. Excuse my terminology, but would is be simple enough to atleast pan everything down a bit so the top edge isn't being almost entirely cut off like that?

[Anonymous No.4029435]

>>4029420
>but no rotation that I know of.
looks doable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udj24W366Sk

[Anonymous No.4029446]

>>4029432

Yes you would adjust horizontal position/hsize if it is too wide, vertical position/vsize if too big or small.

Keep in mind a lot of games use overscan so most of the time cutting off the sides isnt that bad unless developers were asshats and put it at the furthest edge.


here is how to get into service menu. Please make sure before you adjust shit you write down the values, it is very easy to mess up a value and then it is a pain in the ass to get back without professional equipment.

http://www.riddledtv.com/forums/toshiba-tv-service-menu-codes-crt-lcd-t297.html

here is the service manual I used for my 27A40, it is for the 27A50 but same concept.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1101595/Toshiba-27a50.html?page=13#manual

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4029456]

>>4028998
http://www.ebay.com/usr/retro_console_accessories

Wait a day or so, and check in relatively early on in the day, and she should have stock up.

[Anonymous No.4029458]

>>4029446
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4029561]

>>4020895
tfw as a kid always fucked around with crt's. literally how am i not dead

[Anonymous No.4029571]

>>4029435
I think he meant there's no tilt option in the service menu...

Also, does anyone know someplace where I can purchase like 20 of those rubber wedges you use around the yoke for the final adjustment and to keep it from sagging over time? I currently only have 5 on each of my 36" CRTs, and I could use at least a couple more but don't want to cannibalize any particular set.

[Anonymous No.4029579]

I wish I had fallen for the PVM/SCART meme a few years ago so that I would have been able to get a sane-sized TV for under $500

[Anonymous No.4029602]

>>4029579
Nobody played on pvms back in the day tho
Use rf for the authentic experience

[Anonymous No.4029659]

>>4029571

Yeah I meant tilt, but sometimes it is used interchangeably.

[Anonymous No.4029774]

>>4029602
This and DID YOU KNOW posting never fail to make me laugh.

[Anonymous No.4029783]

>>4029774
Did you know MegaMan had a different name in Japan?

His name was RockMan and together with his sister Roll they were Rock & Roll.

Japanese people still know MegaMan as RockMan to this day.

[Anonymous No.4030006]

I've had some luck hunting down Trinitron TVs. I've found a couple of FV120s an hour away (one 32" and one 36"). I've also found a couple of what appear to be FV310s two hours away (at least one is 32", the other I don't know yet). Would it be going an extra hour for the FV310? The price they have listed is even cheaper ($20) than the local FV120s ($40-$50)! I'd still love to find a 36" FV310, but I could settle on a 32" for now.

[Anonymous No.4030045]

Cleaned up the setup a bit. Tomorrow it all gets taken down and rewired for an XBR i'm picking up.

[Anonymous No.4030072]

>>4028871
Some LG Flatron

[Anonymous No.4030085]

>>4028302
>>4028313
cool set, shame it's so finicky. could be cool for movies and TV if the picture sat still

[Anonymous No.4030278]

>>4030006
Correction, the KV-32FV310 actually seems to be a KV-32FS320. Is there a major difference between the two? Also the FV120s are FS120s. Model numbers on these get really damned confusing with the similar appearance of a lot of these sets.

[Anonymous No.4030315]

>>4028456
Because owning one doesn't make me better than you.

[Anonymous No.4030325]

So I have been searching around for some good CRTs, anso far I have only foudn the following:

Sony PVM 8045q for 100 USD
Sony BVM D14H5U for 240 USD
Ikegami TM14-17R for 210 USD

Are these good/fair prices? I'm still new to this whole hobby and I would like some counceling. All of them seem to be in good condition.

[Anonymous No.4030331]

>>4030325
>Ikegami TM14-17R for 210 USD
Look that shit up on eBay dude. $125 w/shipping

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4030336]

>>4030325
>Sony PVM 8045q for 100 USD
No

>Sony BVM D14H5U for 240 USD
Potentially, what cards might it have, and how much for shipping/local?

>Ikegami TM14-17R for 210 USD
Extra No

[Anonymous No.4030342]

>>4030331
>>4030336
Sorry should have added that eBay is not an option because this are what I found in my 3rd world country.
I just made the conversion to USD, but they all include shipping in the price.

Pic related is a back shot of the Sony BVM D14H5U, sorry for the low res.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4030353]

>>4030342
At the very least, it has an RGB/Component card(the one on the left). That's the one you want for most of the stuff you'll be using on it.

The one on the right is an HD-SDI card, of which you could possibly try to resell to make back some of the money, or look into converting to it from HDMI.

It's a Multiformat model, so you'll be able to use 480p. 720p, and 1080i on that as well.

Assuming it's in decent condition, I'd go for it. At this point, if you actually were in the US, that'd be a pretty good price, so you might wanna jump on that.

[Anonymous No.4030424]

Found some one selling various bosch LTC2814/90 for around 25 usd with shipping included
case is in good condition, however it's kind of a roulette some models present ghosting or burn in or both.

Is it a good idea to get one of these as a starter or are they just trash?

[Anonymous No.4030739]

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

Is this my only option for a SCART-to-BNC cable? Would prefer to buy from a US seller if possible.

[Anonymous No.4031167]

>>4030424
Here is the back of the thing just in case.

[Anonymous No.4031214]

Is interlaced supposed to vibrate the video constantly? This is why I've always hated interlaced.

[Anonymous No.4031220]

>>4031214
Yes. The screen is alternating between displaying even and odd lines rapidly, so it looks like it's vibrating. I personally can't notice it if I'm sitting 3 feet away or more, but it is pretty nauseating up close.

[Anonymous No.4031234]

>>4031220

Oh well.

As long as its normal, and not a defect of my monitor.

[Anonymous No.4031256]

>>4030278
>the KV-32FV310 actually seems to be a KV-32FS320. Is there a major difference between the two?

The FV310 is the only SD consumer model with a high voltage regulator that makes white bloom pretty much non-existent. You can also turn off the red push in the service menu, and it has much more full sound due to the built in subwoofer. The FS320 is still a great consumer SD set though, on par with just about any other, except maybe the FV300.

Personally, I have rented a van and then driven over 6 hours one-way to pick up my 1st 36FV310, and I had another shipped to me from Alabama. It's my favorite CRT. So if I saw one within 2 hours from me, I'd be all over it.

However, don't expect the picture to be perfect. Both of mine needed almost an entire day of playing with the yoke to get the focus and geometry up to snuff. One still maintains a slight horizontal bow no matter how much I fiddle...

[Anonymous No.4031274]

>>4031256
>you can turn off the red push
What!?! That's always what bothered me about FD Trinitrons other than the bottom edge bowing.

Does it save this setting or do you have to do it every time you turn it on?

[Anonymous No.4031314]

>>4031256

Are you sure there aren't other ones that have a HV to prevent white bloom? Is it only that model?

[Anonymous No.4031357]

>>4031256
yup, drove 1.5 hours and paid $200 for my first 36FV310. Would do the drive again in a heartbeat for another one. Really considering getting a storage unit to start storing 36 inchers. I want to be one of the last people to have 32 inch plus screens that aren't fucked in 10 years.

[Anonymous No.4031552]

Hey guys, what would be a decent price to pay on Craigslist for good condition PVMs?
Specifically 14 and 20 inch L or M series' or like a 2030 or 1940

[Anonymous No.4031570]

>>4031552
Decent price, under 200. Good price, under 100. Great price, under 50.

Of course it depends on your area, some places never have any pop up. Other area''s are luckier to have a plethora of PVM's pop up.

Those are just the prices I look for, I don't pay anything over 100 for something less than 20 inches.

[Anonymous No.4031581]

I have a lot of extras that I'm trying to move so thank you! That's very helpful.

[Anonymous No.4031703]

>>4031256
I'd still love to find a KV-36FV310 myself, but I haven't found one yet in GA (live in Savannah area if that helps). Haven't even seen any in Jax FL either. Know any good leads?

[Anonymous No.4031715]

Any anons in or around Charlotte NC? Where's the best place I can try to look for CRTs at?

[Anonymous No.4031792]

>>4031703
WHOA. I DID find a KV-36FV300 about 3 hours away. What's the differences between it and the FV310?

[Anonymous No.4031829]

>>4031715
I found one on Columbia SC's craigslist (the KV-36FV300 listed above). Not sure if I want to go that far just yet, but it's 2 hours from Charlotte NC.

[Anonymous No.4031835]

>>4031715
Failing Craigslist, try using FB's Marketplace. I've found quite a few close calls there.

[Anonymous No.4031880]

just end it

[Anonymous No.4031904]

Just scored a KV-32XBR100. It's beautiful.

[Anonymous No.4031915]

>>4031904
BIG BLACK CRT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUOxChV3f6Q

[Anonymous No.4031960]

Remember to use thick and short cables or you'll end up having checkerboard / jailbars, especialy with S-Video.
This is with an extra long cable (10m) so it's accentuated even more.

By comparision, with another cable (3m and nearly twice as thick), the image is pristine. Coming from a modded MD.

[Anonymous No.4032093]

>>4031792
FV310 has the high voltage regulator that controls bloom and almost looks like a PVM. I have an FV300, but I'm trying to get rid of it since I got my BVM.

[Anonymous No.4032097]

>>4031715
>>4031829
>>4031835
Saw this ad posted in another thread, sounds like the seller is scummy but I might bite if he/she has anything cheaper.

[Anonymous No.4032101]

>>4032097
Forgot link.
https://charlotte.craigslist.org/ele/6156455253.html

[Anonymous No.4032105]

>>4030739
I got mine from WookieWin on eBay

[Anonymous No.4032115]

>Local Salvation Army is always getting in Sonys and other nicer CRTs
>Always buy them for $5-10 each on Tuesdays when they sell electronics for 75% off
>Any issues with my CRTs and I drive them to the next city over to a repairman so he can replace all of the problem parts
>Get a discount because I am one of his only customers

I've made it. Life is comfy.

[Anonymous No.4032130]

Thoughts on the Sony Trinitron PVM-20M2MDU? How do I play Sega Saturn, Super Nintendo, Dreamcast, Gamecube and PS2 games on it?

[Anonymous No.4032158]

>>4032130
I have a 20M2MDU, very good set.
480i/240p only, but pretty good at it. Two sets of component/RGB inputs are convenient.

For PS2, you can get component cables, cheaper than RGB cables and the picture quality difference is negligible. Gamecube would be S-Video, but i'd recommend just getting a wii with component cables and you'll get a much better picture.

Dreamcast, Saturn and SNES you can either go S-Video or RGB, depending on how much you wanna spend on custom cables. A video switch or extron switcher would be recommended if you wanna have everything connected at once.

[Anonymous No.4032171]

Pretty slick, $14 at Seattle Dearborn Goodwill.

[Anonymous No.4032180]

>>4032171
That's awesome.

[Anonymous No.4032182]

>>4017681

My 9" PVM arrived in the mail, no damage! Wouldn't buy anything bigger than that though.

[Anonymous No.4032203]

>>4032158
Would you say it's the best set that you have?
And could you link me to a good video switch/extron switcher?

[Anonymous No.4032241]

>>4032203
I'd probably say its my favorite set. It's my first, I've had it for about 5 years. I'd call it my best SD set that does RGB, since it's my biggest RGB monitor.. I've got different sets for different things though.

As far as switches go, I have a Joytech switch, it's the best AV switcher i've seen. Does Composite/S-Video/Component/Digital Audio AND ethernet, somehow. Pretty high end unit from the mid-2000s.

As far as extron stuff goes, most people go with the Crosspoint series switchers, though I think that's overkill if you only have one display and less then 8 consoles. Otherwise, go with a System 8 if you're going the RGB route, or an MPS 109 if you're doing S-Video/Composite.

The System 8 uses BNC connectors, and will switch Composite/S-vid/Component/RGB, you may need custom breakout cables though.

The MPS 109 uses standard connectors, so you should be able to just get some regular adapters off ebay.

[Anonymous No.4032242]

>>4032203
>>4032241
Sorry, I meant MPS 112CS

[Anonymous No.4032248]

This probably isn't the best place to ask this but there's bound to be one or two people here that may have an answer. I recently bought Tales of Symponia for the gamecube(not retro) and I'm playing without component cables and it kinda looks blurry on some scenes. Would it be better to play it on a Wii(not retro) with component cables? On a crt of course. If this isn't the place to ask this just ignore me.

[Anonymous No.4032253]

>>4032248
of course it would be better.

[Anonymous No.4032259]

>>4032248
Wii, duh.
Much better, especially if you have a 480p display.

[Anonymous No.4032265]

>>4032241
Which is the more colorful and saturated version between RGB and S-Video/Composite? Thanks btw

[Anonymous No.4032270]

>>4032265
RGB will always have better color and sharpness than S-Vid/Composite, though you may be happy with S-Vid after tweaking stuff in your display. It's pretty good, bounds ahead of composite.

[Anonymous No.4032323]

>>4032270
Thanks anon, one last thing, how do you set up speakers with that set?

[Anonymous No.4032329]

>>4032323
I have a standard AV receiver set up. You can use any powered speakers, you just might need to use an adapter if they have a 3.5mm connection as opposed to RCA connections. A 20M2MDU has a built in mono speaker, but leaves a lot to be desired.

[Anonymous No.4032332]

>>4032329
Aw man mono sound is a bummer. Definitely going to have to use a speaker in that case. Mind taking a picture of your set, please?

[Anonymous No.4032345]

>>4032332
>>4032332
See >>4030045 for what I have now.

Here's >>4030045 a pic of my setup before I got the XBR.
Receiver is some Onkyo I got from goodwill, works great for driving my 4 ohm Cerwin Vega Re-30's.

[Anonymous No.4032358]

>>4032345
Nice and the tiny pvm on the right looks pretty sweet. What do you use that one for?

[Anonymous No.4032365]

>>4032358
Nothing much besides a test monitor.
Handy for making cables, etc. Came in use when making my OG Xbox component cables.

[Anonymous No.4032842]

Saw pic related being sold at the local craiglist and got my CRT vein syckening. Then I saw the title "retro TV" and got got a bad feeling. Then I saw the price. 6" TV would have been a nice toy, but not going to pay +50€ containing postage for it.

[Anonymous No.4032846]

>>4032842
Well don't then.

[Anonymous No.4032849]

>>4032846
I wont. I'm bit bitter since I rarely see small CRTs being sold in my country. Army sells their good shit, but they sell them in big auctions and you need to buy shit ton of stuff at once for a big stack of money. I'm too poor for that stuff, and I really don't have the room to buy big containers full of army stuff.

[Anonymous No.4033223]

>>4030085
>>4029110
I actually fixed it by putting on channel 3, seems it was wonky at first on 3 but fixing the settings made it clear.

Image is still to big for the screen though, you think id be able to do nes at least since this set is from the 80's

[Anonymous No.4033448]

Hey all, I was at a electronics dealer looking at some PVMs and testing them out. Now I don't know much about them but I didn't have anything to plug in and test the image. However I brought up the service menu and noticed some wicked jitter in the image of the menu. Is this normal? The intensity of the effect varied between monitors and I took the one with next to none, but is there a way to correct this issue with the other ones or are they just fucked?

[Anonymous No.4033456]

Rate my CRT
Before you sperg out I'm just stress testing the Super Retro Trio

[Anonymous No.4033479]

How much would you say an NEC XM29 that is listed as for parts or not working on ebay would be worth?

I have one that has been sitting in a trailer for about seven years now. Short green text

>get monitor from auction
>comes on but turns itself off after couple minutes
>take apart, spray dust out of fan and jiggle it around
>turn back on, hear fan spin up that wasn't spinning earlier
>works fine for over an hour, seems fixed
>fiddling around in menus
>accidentally disable front controls with on-screen menu
>unplug monitor
>plug back in
>press power
>nothing
>find out settings are written to EEPROM
>need remote to turn it back on
>have many CRTs in my possession at the time taking up space in apartment
>XM 29 had severe burn-in
>put in storage trailer at my parents house
>seven years pass
>have never gotten around to getting the remote to test it again
>been in some rough conditions in those years as trailer is not completely weather sealed

I have no idea if it works or not. I'm thinking maybe $40 with local pick up only?

[Abwezi No.4033556]

>>4026235
>>4026267
>>4026267
>

>So there'd be no way to convert the signal from a modern GPU to do something like that?
>That's a real shame, especially for 5th gen emulation and up.

Just keep your original GPU in and look on craigslist or something I found a supported AMD card for only $20 as long as your mobo supports 2 GPU's you're good it will continue to use your regular GPU as the display adapter while your CRT-Emu card just keeps doing it's thing, at least it did without any fussing in my case.

>So I bet a combination of the ultimate scart adapter, this scart to component adapter, and a component tv would be great for a groovymame setup.

I use this transcoder and it's worked great but I would recomend using this cable http://m.ebay.ca/itm/141663388712?_mwBanner=1 because it is an all in one solution this should help people save space cluttered. By all those adapter boxes

Pic related is my CRT_Emu set up

[Anonymous No.4033613]

Dumb question but this is a CRT right?

[Abwezi No.4033617]

>>4033613
Yes

[Anonymous No.4033630]

>>4033617
Thought so, thanks. I got it from my grandma because I'm pretty sure it's the same TV I used to hook up to my old N64 so it seemed appropriate now that I'm collecting 64 titles.

[Anonymous No.4033824]

>>4033223
nice, b&w tubes have the best scanlines.

[Anonymous No.4033850]

>>4033448
It's normal if they're not being fed external sync from an input. Next time take a source to plug in.

t. Anon with 3 PVMs and 4 BVMs.

[Anonymous No.4033861]

>>4033448
totally normal, for all my sonys the menu displays in 480i and the jitter is noticeable up close, but it's not an issue at all during normal gameplay

[Anonymous No.4033905]

How small is 9" diagonal. Would you be able to read text clearly from about a foot away?
What about a 5" monitor?

Anyone have videos of a small TV in action gaming?

[Anonymous No.4033950]

>>4033905
Forget it anon.

They're useless for anything beyond checking you have a signal whatsoever, white balance and brightness levels of said signal...and making clueless n00bs say "Cuuuuuute".

[Anonymous No.4033974]

>>4033950
Right now I am using an Orion 1334 13" TV that works alright. It only has composite and I want something with S-video.

[Anonymous No.4033981]

>>4033974
That's as small as you wanna go.

Trust me.

[Anonymous No.4034075]

What's the oldest CRT that can be used for games?

[Anonymous No.4034193]

>>4034075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59PjIQuSTXg

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4034263]

>>4033950
>and making clueless n00bs say "Cuuuuuute".
I mean, it wouldn't be the most playable thing out there nor would I want one as my only/main set, but a 8/9'' would be rather adorable, especially if paired with an equally small console.

5 is too small though.

[Anonymous No.4034339]

eventually I'm going to kit my 540 VW out with a 1600SW flat panel to match it, but since the multilink adapter is jew-tier I'm probably better off routing the voodoo2 into another display

since these boxes were mostly targeted at broadcasting a PVM seems like a good matching candidate to me, but would it be? or is that more of a thing for consoles?

[Anonymous No.4034539]

So i recently hooked up my old VCR so I can record some of my gameplay for my own masturbatory reasons. The problem I have is;

1. VCR's only do composite and I have everything hooked up to my extron via component

2. Hooking up something like my n64 into the vcr then having composite out go into the tv gives me weird feedback. Don't like the degradation in image quality

3. FUCK COMPOSITE!!

So basically I've thought of getting one of those DVD/VCR combo boxes. Hopefully a high end one that converts vhs into dvd's. I'm hoping that it will take component. How would I hook that up while also running everything into my extron. Not even sure if this would work as I haven't thought it through fully.

Please help!

[Anonymous No.4034546]

>>4034539
get an S-VHS VCR I guess.

[Anonymous No.4034561]

>>4034546
so use s video? I wouldn't mind wasting time and money getting some ridiculous professional s-vhs player that would be found in the national archives.

How would I even hook that shit up though/is it even possible

[Anonymous No.4034567]

>>4034561
I dunno, mitebcool and all that shit.

[Anonymous No.4034660]

>>4034339
eh, no. you'd want some usable resolution on a workstation.

[Anonymous No.4034671]

>>4034561
You would need a bunch of these, splits s-video into it's luma and chroma components over two normal rca jacks. Add some rca to bnc adapters and you could easily set up an extron to work with s-video.

[Anonymous No.4034675]

>>4034539
Oh and for what it's worth I'd recommend one of these instead of using a vcr or svhs deck, the recording quality will be much higher.

[Anonymous No.4034683]

>>4034675
>the recording quality will be much higher
Albeit black and white with an N64...

[Anonymous No.4035286]

I found one of these someone is selling. It is worth it and how much should I pay for it? It's a PROVIDEO VM-1401C 14" COLOR CCTV MONITOR

[Anonymous No.4035294]

>>4035286
It's a piece of shit.

Sorry.

[Anonymous No.4035295]

>>4035294
Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.4035306]

>>4035295
You're very welcome.

Saves you having to google the specs and languish in disappointment I guess.

[Anonymous No.4035361]

>>4033556
>mario 64
TF2
my nigga
>>4033456
The fact that you have one makes me sperg out.

[Anonymous No.4035391]

>>3992971

[Anonymous No.4035456]

>>4030424
>>4031167
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.4035470]

>>4034683
I use mine with a dvd recorder, which can take composite or s-video signals and convert them to hdmi or component.

[Anonymous No.4035524]

R8 my setup /CRT/

[Anonymous No.4035625]

>>4035524
Michael J. Fox/10

[Anonymous No.4035626]

Hey /crt/, I'm getting some nasty scrolling fuzziness on my Genesis and SFC. This is because of crappy power supplies right? If i go OEM they should go away?

[Anonymous No.4035632]

>>4035626
Like diagonal shit scrolling vertically on edges, especially reds?

You're using composite right?

[Anonymous No.4035752]

>>4035632
No, actually just hooked up RGB with my Genny and got vertically scrolling fuzz. I get the same with my SFC through S-Video. No artifacting at all, I just think my 3rd party power supplies might be introducing some interference.

[Anonymous No.4035848]

Anyone have any opinions on the Panasonic BT-H1350Y? Worth owning if I've got a 20L2?

[Anonymous No.4035882]

>>4035625
Here's a slightly better one

[Anonymous No.4035912]

>>4035848
It's an older model so it doesn't have component in like the 20L2, but it supports RGB s-vid ect, and has a higher line count compared to the L2, 750 tvl for the panny vs 600 for the sony. worth owning

[Anonymous No.4035926]

>>3992971
My parents tossed out the old 32-inch TV with s-video and RGB. Bought a PVM similar to this guy a few days back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLDo3bxGVp0
How did I do?

[Anonymous No.4035928]

>>4035926
>parents tossed out the old 32-inch TV with s-video and RGB.

RGB on a 32in doesn't sound likely, are you sure it wasn't YPbPr?

[Anonymous No.4035945]

>>4035928
That's what I meant, my bad.

[Anonymous No.4035972]

What on earth is the BKM-120D expansion card for? I understand it's a digital input but how can I utilize it?
Also, on an L series, which pair of cards would you say is the most useful? Two 129x or what?

[Anonymous No.4036002]

>>4035456
Bosch in general is a good brand, but don't know about their CRTs desu.

[Anonymous No.4036084]

>>4034660
well in case I didn't write it as well as I thought my idea was that it would be wired to my Voodoo2/VGA output and basically function as a second monitor that pretty much only kicks in for games while the 1600SW worked as the main monitor

I'll probably end up with one sooner or later anyway since I eventually want to mess around with SD editing on it some day but it would be nice if it was suitable enough to take over as a games monitor as well, but you're probably right that I just need to find something a little better, maybe another early LCD display to keep that museum piece orthodoxy I'm going for since I'm not planning on emulating older/console titles anyway on the occasion I do decide to mess around

[Anonymous No.4036201]

What would be a good max price for this monitor? Under $100?

[Anonymous No.4036256]

>>4035972
Serial Digital Interface.

It's basically YPbPr 4:2:2 but multiplexed onto a single connector and transmitted digitally. If you're not a professional broadcast guy you won't have any kit which uses it.

The BKM-20D (equivalent card for BVMs) also acts as an NTSC decoder and has connectors you can use for composite but the 120D has no such capability and will be essentially useless for you. Lose it.

[Anonymous No.4036257]

>>4036201
Good would be free ;-)

But yeah, $100 would be fair if the vendor expects payment and has advertised it publicly.

[Anonymous No.4037029]

See em cheap, buy them.
If only I wasn't so damn picky about the whole "Retro systems on retro TVs" thing for my social gaming things

[Anonymous No.4037034]

>>4037029
Think I have problems..............

[Anonymous No.4037137]

Does anybody have any clue if there's a difference between a 14M2MDU and a 14M2MDU/ST PVM? I've seen both for sale and can't find any information on how they differ. Both types seem to have the same inputs and obviously look identical.

[Anonymous No.4037171]

>>4037029
>>4037034
I didn't think Steptoe and Son did social gaming things...

[Anonymous No.4037209]

Sorry if this is not the right thread, but how much of an improvement is component over s-video? Asking because i can get an official wii s-video cable for $10, or i can get a third party component cable for $5. I dont really trust the third party option.

If component is like a good 50% or more better than s-video then ill try to go for that instead

[Anonymous No.4037225]

>>4037209
It's noticeably better. Enough that when I tried playing some games via S-Video after having gotten used to Component, I was instantly annoyed by both the loss of color accuracy (red looked particularly washed out, even after calibration) and also it's a tad less sharp overall, though nowhere near as blurry as composite.

[Anonymous No.4037234]

>>4037225
component and s-video share the exact same high quality luma channel so sharpness should be the same, its only the color that suffers.

[Anonymous No.4037246]

>>4037225
Thanks anon. Do you think 3rd party (monoprice) is a ok option for component?

[Abwezi No.4037254]

>>4035882
You should actually get closer to your tv and manually have ur camera focus on it lol the rest of the picture looks better but the game still looks bad

[Anonymous No.4037323]

>>4037246
Yeah that should be fine.

Also consider that you can only output 480p from the Wii over component, if you're into that kind of thing. S-Video is rather limiting in comparison.

[Anonymous No.4037331]

>>4037254
What he should actually do is a two-shot overlaid composite image with the camera on a tripod to balance out the lighting of the surroundings and the screen itself.

Kya (I think) does this from time to time and it looks great.

[Anonymous No.4037390]

>>4032171

I want one. Anybody know the model number on these?

[Anonymous No.4037404]

>>4037390
The tv/stand combo or the piece of shit cabinet it's stuffed inside?

[Anonymous No.4037449]

>>4037254
>>4037331
me again, took a couple pics on my phone this time, they're not great but noticeably better

[Anonymous No.4037451]

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/ikegami-TM14-17R-studio-broadcast-CRT-color-monitor-/172682908768?hash=item2834b41460:g:SNcAAOSwjqVZBbId

Is this kind of "haven't tested no refunds" thing just an attempt to scam me? Or is this something that might be worth getting?

[Anonymous No.4037459]

>>4037449
And of course it's upside down

[Anonymous No.4037564]

Not bad for composite huh? I just got my BNC adapters months after buying this 20L2

[Anonymous No.4037567]

>>4037449
Yup, it's a CRT alright

[Anonymous No.4037569]

>>4037451
It's definitely worth getting IF you have the skills to fix any potential faults.

I'd want to collect it in person though, not have it clunk its way across the Irish Sea in a van full of Albanian refugees.

[Anonymous No.4037572]

>>4037564
Shame a still image doesn't really show all the combing artefacts but hey, gotta piss with the cock you've got I guess.

[Anonymous No.4037589]

>>4037567
Not him but honestly I'm still not convinced this is a CRT.

[Anonymous No.4037606]

>>4037589
In Pyongyang it would likely be considered state-of-the-art.

In this company? Not so much.

[Anonymous No.4037616]

>>4037572
Honestly I'm still new to high quality video, so what are you trying to say? That my CRT is shit or that I need S-Video, because I know that!

[Anonymous No.4037627]

>>4037616
Don't worry about it anon, I've been up 21 hours now and was just being needlessly flippant.

Keep doing what you're doing, it's honestly fine. Skip S-Video and go straight to RGB/YPbPr though when you're ready to upgrade. That PVM has great potential and you'd be foolish not to utilise it.

[Anonymous No.4037758]

>>4037627
B-but my N64 isn't modded!

[Anonymous No.4037792]

>>4032171
guess you didn't get it lol

[Anonymous No.4037843]

>>4037792
>those fucking socks

[Anonymous No.4037847]

>>4037572
>>4037564
composite video is what the developers intended. otherwise they would have shipped scart cables with the system

[Anonymous No.4037849]

>>4037847
>implying the developer has any say in a business decision by manufacturers
>implying shipping shitty cables isn't a ploy to get more shekels from consumers
Seriously, name one console besides the Switch or Wii U that shipped with it's highest possible output cable. Doesn't count if there were no other standards.

[Anonymous No.4037854]

>>4037849
composite is the highest quality cable. It outputs more colors than you can even fathom.

[Anonymous No.4037856]

>>4037854
It outputs at least 7. At least.

[Anonymous No.4037885]

So does anyone have any idea what an ST at the end of a PVM model means? For reference I saw both a 14M2MD and a 14M2MD-ST

[Anonymous No.4037901]

>>4037885
What country are you in? Some different regions had different suffixes on model numbers to indicate monitors made for that region.

[Anonymous No.4038367]

>>4037246
I used the monoprice Wii component cables for years, they've given me spectacular picture quality and I like the build. I recently picked up psyclone brand component cables for the Wii and they're really great too. No noticeable difference to me.

[Anonymous No.4038468]

>>4037885
Does it possibly have the rack-mount kit included?
>>4037901
Unlikely. Sony's region codes are E=Europe, U=US/NA, A=Australia, J=Japan. They also appear before the second hyphen i.e PVM-14M2MDU.

[Anonymous No.4038601]

>>4037901
I'm American, the number is 14M2MDU/ST to be exact.

>>4038468
Maybe, I found it sitting on a shelf in the warehouse and visually it looked the same as the normal M2, but it's possible the mount had been there once. It's the medical variant so the cases all have these rails on the sides to hold them in carts etc.

[Anonymous No.4038709]

100Hz should be avoided, right?

[Anonymous No.4038736]

>>4038709
pretty much.
note that 480p (through component or hdmi) and above tvs are most probably 100hz too.

[Anonymous No.4038861]

>>4038367
Not going to lie, I only use Monoprice component, stereo, and VGA cables respectively whenever I can. They are cheap and rated to spec. I also use a Monoprice component switcher without any complaints. I would highly recommend the brand over shit you'd find on Aliexpress, for example.

[Anonymous No.4038870]

>>4038861
In terms of just cables sure why not but for console cables I don't mind going after some respected 3rd Party brands. Psyclone was a name back in the day and they seem to be one of the few brands that offer 10feet component cables for wii.

[Anonymous No.4039596]

>>4035361
For all intents and purposes, it seems pretty alright. Got it for a low price and no problems have arose yet. Here's it playing Rocket Knight

[Anonymous No.4039726]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uon5d7qbeuM

Does /crt/ agree with this rant?

[Anonymous No.4039734]

Just bought this guy today for $200. It's a KV-1311CR. It's in composite mode instead of RGB at the moment because I don't have the right cable yet

[Anonymous No.4039736]

>>4039726
I cringed. Is that you?

[Anonymous No.4040084]

>Start looking at monitors on eBay for first time in years
>8" models going for $75+
>Over $150 for PVMs that don't even have RGB
>20" 15khz PVMs cost hundreds
>Multiformat monitors literally over $800
>Consumer sets going in the hundreds

Jesus, I'm glad I got all my shit back when you could get a 20" with RGB for $50 delivered.

[Anonymous No.4040154]

>>4040084
Fuck nigger, I paid $400 for mine.

[Anonymous No.4040163]

>>4040154
Actually a funny story about how I got my 20M2MDU.

Ordered it in 2013 from a medical surplus seller on eBay. Auction pics clearly showed a 13" model, it was what I had room for at the time so I went ahead and got it for $25 and $25 shipping.
Seller didn't ship the unit for nearly two months, and I damn near forgot about it.
Was surprised when a giant box strapped to a pallet was waiting for me on my door. Inside was a double boxed, packing peanut crammed, triple-layered in bubble wrapped mint condition 20M2MDU. Guess they fucked something up in picking my order.
Been my main display up until about a week ago.

[Anonymous No.4040165]

>>4038861
Digital stuff like component can't really be messed up. It's their analog stuff, specifically S-Video thats frowned upon by video snobs. They're not very well shielded, causing the infamous checkerboard effect. I've heard mixed reviews about their VGA stuff, so I can't comment on that.

[Anonymous No.4040172]

>>4040165
>Digital
>Component

[Anonymous No.4040173]

>>4040165
But component is analog anon.
Good S-vid cables can be pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4040226]

>>4040172
>>4040173
i need to go to bed

[Anonymous No.4040247]

>>3992971
So I found a Sony Triniton PVM for $30

I looked it up on ebay and they go for $400

this little fucker

good find?

[Anonymous No.4040252]

>>4040247
Lol it's not even RGB.
Yeah $30 is a fair price.

[Anonymous No.4040254]

>consumer TVs known to be decent being sold as "gaming TVs" online for $80+
this pisses me off

[Anonymous No.4040273]

>>4040252
call me retarded but what is the huge difference between color tempurature and RGB though


Why am i seeing them on ebay for $400?

[Anonymous No.4040279]

>>4040273
So when you're checking eBay for prices, don't look at current listings. Look at recently sold.
Remember, objects are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. .

[Anonymous No.4040282]

>>4035524
This is just lovely anon. Great job.

[Anonymous No.4040440]

>tfw live in small town with no tech enthusiasts and managed to buy a lifetime supply of PVMs for $20 a pop a year ago
>tfw started selling them at $100+ and made tons of money off people driving literal hundreds of miles

[Anonymous No.4040573]

Wait so most if not all 2048x1536 CRTs are unable to handle 2048x1536 resolutions?

[Anonymous No.4040587]

>>4040573

[Anonymous No.4040656]

>>4040084
I decided to just settle with my old little hitachi telly.
I only use it for Gamecube anyway and occasionally I hook up a raspberry pi to watch some old chinese cartoons.

It still looks nicer than plenty of flat screens.

[Anonymous No.4040738]

>>4040573
uh
if it displays 2048x1536 then it's capable of 2048x1536.

[Anonymous No.4040879]

>>4040573
Are you asking about how lots of monitors capable of 2048x1536 can't display it due to EDID? Cause I have a monitor with a horizontal frequency that's well capable of that and higher, but EDID limits me to something asinine like 1880x1440.

[Anonymous No.4040884]

sorry for the shitty quality, but this is my "new" MD13Q41C that I got from the curb. So happy to have found a free 13" that actually works and looks good. Composite only but I'm fine with that.

[Anonymous No.4041081]

>>4040247
terrible find, i'd pay 5 bucks for that piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4041228]

>>4041081
well i didnt buy it yet

so what constitutes as a good 13 inch RGB Trinitron

[Anonymous No.4041372]

>>4041228
update

I managed to talk to someone at a local recycling center and the guy was nice enough to save my contact information as 'trinitron guy', so when they get a pallet or two he said hes going to call me and schedule when i can come look at some.

Tell me what models (with pictures) i should look out for, maybe ill sell a few to anyone at the same price i buy them for + shipping.

[Anonymous No.4041630]

>>4040247
I have that, got it for free but I would have paid $30. No RGB, but s-vid and composite look great. pic related is av famicom composite.

[Anonymous No.4041634]

>>4041630
god damn

It seems like I might just buy it? got anymore photos? how do you like it overall?

[Anonymous No.4041748]

>>4041634
I think I have a few more, I’ll post all I’ve got. I like it a lot, I mostly play in composite on a consumer 13” trinitron now, but I’m waiting til I have a bigger place to set all my tubes up. It’s worth 30$, i’d go for it. it’s a great ‘starter’ set if nothing else. Hacked wii via s-video is awesome, i’ve got some pics of that.

[Anonymous No.4041750]

>>4041634
av fami composite, same as the first shot

[Anonymous No.4041753]

>>4041634

[Anonymous No.4041756]

>>4041634
my other pics are of the same screens mostly, but theyre too large to post and editing them down on my ipad is a bitch, you get the idea though. it’s a solid set, hombre.

[Anonymous No.4041759]

>>4041756
>>4041753
>>4041750
>>4041748
>>4041630
hell yeah

fuck it, buying it

[Anonymous No.4041763]

>>4041759
mine has the color blown out in those pokemom shots, it doesn’t bleed that bad unless you adjust it poorly (as i happened to at the time), fyi. you’ll enjoy it man. post pics when you get it.

[Anonymous No.4041772]

>>4041763
it might be a week its up for bid but no one has bid on it so most likely getting it

[Anonymous No.4041774]

got this today, a 2005 20L2MD with Option card BKM-129x

[Anonymous No.4041780]

>>4041774
holy shit what a find how much?

[Anonymous No.4041782]

>>4041780
sadly i was forced to ebay so it ran me $250 with shipping included.

[Anonymous No.4041796]

>>4041780
>>4041782
for reference.

[Anonymous No.4041813]

>>4041796
heh

they are hard to find in Dallas,TX also

like almost none, checked everywhere

[Anonymous No.4041821]

>>4019847
I would like to know this too

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4042015]

>>4041782
$200 or so for a relatively recent 20'' isn't a bad price these day, and even a pretty good deal with the additional inputs you get from the 129x.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4042023]

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[Anonymous No.4042256]

>>4037792

the doors :(