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Does anybody here speedrun any retro games?

I watched a video of four speedrunners racing in Super Mario World last night and it was... surprisingly cool.

I'd like to try Super Mario Bros. 3 speedrunning. How do I get started on it beyond just "try and beat the game fast?" I mean, I know that's part of it but it seems like there's a broad gap between being good at a game and being insanely fast at beating it.

>> No.3967216

>>3967213
>speedrun
no

>> No.3967228

>>3967213
>How do I get started on it beyond just "try and beat the game fast?"
try to copy stuff you see in a run and practice/memorize it. if a certain part is too hard, make something up yourself that you can do until you're good enough for the faster strats. go to http://www.speedrun.com/smb3/forum and ask questions. join the discord, make friends in the community, people are usually eager to help.

getting into speedrunning is pretty easy.

>> No.3967235

>>3967216
thanks for the help anon
>>3967228
Thanks for the help, anon!

>> No.3967239

>>3967213
Original hardware and a CRT is your first step to reduce the input lag for frame perfect glitches and jumps.

Also look at guides and other runners to see what their strats are, if you want to practice specific levels or areas emulator and savestate until you get the technique.

>> No.3967253

>>3967239
Thanks. I'll practice on an emulator and on my sister's NES Mini until I can get my NES from my grandparents' place and buy a copy of SMB3 and a CRT.

>> No.3967278

> Speedrunning
> Not having Autism

Choose one.

In all seriousness, the best way to get into this "hobby" is to start with a speedrun of a game that no one gives a shit about. Pick a random NES game that only has a few levels and start from there.

Anything that has any notoriety (any mario game, zelda, sonic, etc.) has thousands of speed runners who have worked out every single method to speed up their runs. The well is pretty dry for these games as far as records go.

To put this into perspective, the guy who has the current Mario 1 world record has played the game over 50,000 times.

>> No.3967289

I don't speedrun. Most I'll do is a no death run, where I just play until I die, until I can clear a game with no deaths. But only for games I like playing enough to look for an excuse to keep playing.

Speedrunning doesn't even feel like playing a game for enjoyment anymore. There's no fun in it. Only frustration.

>> No.3967294

>>3967278
don't listen to this faggot. speedrunning a game you don't care about just to get an easy record is fucking retarded.

speedrun a game you have fun playing. focus on improving your own personal best.

>> No.3967308

>>3967294
This fuck is a liar. Find a random game you like that isn't popular and go from there. You will have to spend 8 hours a day for months to get anywhere near the speedruns on any popular game.

>> No.3967316

>>3967308
>You will have to spend 8 hours a day for months to get anywhere near the speedruns on any popular game.
not at all, you can speedrun any game without putting anywhere near that amount of time in. obviously to be the best you have to put work in, but acting like anyone who picks up the hobby is obligated to get a record is fucking absurd. the vast majority of speedrunners are not top runners.

>> No.3967327

I started speedrunning after transitioning. It helped me focus on something, no matter how trivial and pointless it might seem. You have to get to know the name and practice many times, learn the routes and necessary tricks. It's frustrating, so it's better to play a game you actually enjoy, which sometimes isn't necessarily one of your favorite games. Being a part of a community helps, most games have at least a few people willing to help other players and just take a collective effort to bring the times down rather than go for personal "world records".

>> No.3967334

>>3967327
>I started speedrunning after transitioning
oh please.

>> No.3967337

>>3967278
Why would you speedrun and hold the record to some game absolutely no one gives a single fuck about?

Hey guys i got the top record on Robopon. Wew no one fucking cares, no one is gonna watch it on stream or youtube, even your friends who play games will serious not give a shit.

He wants to play Mario 3, probably wont ever hit the top 100 or even 200 runs, but if he wants to show off how good he is at least people will kind of care or think its a cool achievement.

>> No.3967345
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3967345

Is medievil a retro game?

>> No.3967359

>>3967213
I do some Super Metroid runs from time to time. The key is not to take it so seriously that it stops being fun. Just take it easy, improve your times, and don't worry about competing with the top runners.

And I'd disagree with the advice to play something unpopular unless it's a game you really love, because it means you'll be going it alone. In my opinion it's much more fun to be bad at a popular game because you have the support of a big community behind you.

>> No.3967390

>>3967337
Hey, I like Keizaron's Robopon runs.

>> No.3967397

>>3967278
>Anything that has any notoriety (any mario game, zelda, sonic, etc.) has thousands of speed runners
Wrong. Only very few games have over a thousand runners and even then the majority of those are casuals who contribute nothing.
>the guy who has the current Mario 1 world record has played the game over 50,000 times
more like 20000 times

>> No.3967471

>>3967345
It certainly is! I take it you are a fan of Brescaz and Alowishus as well?

>> No.3967745

NES Super Mario Bros. 12 min. Not world shattering record but I did ok.

>> No.3967776

>>3967308
>you have to be competitive on the world record level and use top-level strategies in order for playing a game fast to be fun

How do people get into this mindset

>> No.3967787

>>3967776
>How do people get into this mindset
autism, ironically.

>> No.3968507

I started speedrunning after I assumed my real gender.

>> No.3971053

>>3967213
Only losers

>> No.3971062

>>3967213
I can barely beat games, let alone do them fast

speedruns of final fantasy games and other long ones are weird to watch

>> No.3971067

>>3971062
>speedruns of final fantasy games and other long ones are weird to watch
they're terrible games for speedrunning; basically auto-scrollers with a diceroll here and there. no real tech or skill ceiling.

>> No.3971074

>>3971067
I know, that's why

it's like a competition of who can skip through dialogue fastest

sometimes you get crazy diamonds like the morrowind speedrun tho

>> No.3971098

>>3971074
Morrowind is a terrible game for speedrunning too. Literally as bad as any JRPG.

>> No.3971118

>>3971098
SMRPG is pretty much the only JRPG I know of that's decent for speedrunning.

>> No.3971503

I enjoy the hobby, I even managed to get a run in this year's AGDQ

>> No.3972607

>>3967213
I run MegaMan 2 about 3 minutes slower than the world record purely on repetition. This is literally the only game where I can go fast. Need to learn some haxx to really improve tho.

>> No.3972641

>>3967235
So you use an exclamation mark to signify non-sarcasm?

>> No.3972654

>>3967308
If you're not a massive autist then personal bests are enough for most people.

>> No.3975232

speedruns are great! even shit games can be potentially fun in a speedrun
doing them yoursself is extremelly time-consuming and you must REALLY like the game

>> No.3975245

Speedrunning is fine, but I like this kind of "performance" stuff better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWgvPSkgMzY

>> No.3976527

>>3967213
I did the same thing about 3 years ago. Super Mario Bros 3 is really fun to speedrun, but if you play on an emulator (which is where you should start) the timing is a lot different than on a real console hooked up to a CRT. Even hooking up to some LCD screens will give you a delay that is only noticeable when speedrunning.

Mario 3 is a good start, and very satisfying to be able to beat the first 3 worlds (I am talking about any% NO WARPS) so quickly. All I did was play the game casually for a few days to get the hang of the mechanics and then I watched a couple speedruns on youtube and tried to copy the little tricks they use. I did the same thing for Super Metroid which is also really satisfying to speedrun when you remember how much trouble you had as a kid playing it.

Good luck and remember it's all about having fun, some of these speedruns still take an hour if youre good so if that's too long then look up a game that can be beaten a lot quicker, my favourite is Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel that can be beaten in about 16 minutes easily.

>> No.3976550

>>3971098
The best morrowind speedrun is hilarious tho

>> No.3977184

>>3976527
>if you play on an emulator (which is where you should start)
I don't run SMB3 specifically, but why wouldn't a real console and a flashcart be better? Won't throw off your timing when switching from emulator to console, and you can use save states and Game Genie codes for debug mode, reentering levels, etc. to practice.

>> No.3977212

I dont like wasting a HUGE amount of time in video-games. speedrun requires preparation, planificacion and a strat to play games faster.

Fuck speedrunning.

>> No.3977220

>>3977212
>I dont like wasting a HUGE amount of time in video-games
Well, here you are on 4chan wasting time arguing about videogames with teenagers. It's a waste of time all the same.

>> No.3977226

>I DON'T LIKE WASTING TIME ACTUALLY PLAYING GAMES TO IMPROVE MY SPEEDRUNS!
>I'D RATHER WASTE TIME SHITPOSTING ON 4CHAN INSTEAD

>> No.3977247

>>3977212
I don't really spend more time on speedrunning than what I would spend on playing games anyway. It's just sort of replaces my casual game time for a few months at a time until I get bored. Then I swap back to casual gaming (or no gaming) for a few months, then back to speedrunning, etc. Rinse and repeat.

>> No.3977259

>>3967213
Not seriously, but Donkey Kong 94. I could get it to 4-5 hours I think. Been a few years though, so I don't remember exactly.

>> No.3977551

donkey kong is the ugliest pre-rendered 3D usage ive ever seen.
very few games use pre-rendered 3D properly. handcrafted sprites are usually ssuperior

>> No.3977576

>>3977551
Really nig

>> No.3977582

>>3977551
Are you referring to dkc? I've always thought it looked like ass, I hate that clay model look

>> No.3979256

>>3967213
"Pro-level" speedrunning kinda kills the game. It's like skinning and dissecting your pet cat.

>> No.3980216

>>3979256
And then rebuilding it into a badass crime-fighting cyborg cat with a jetpack and laser eyes.

>> No.3980236

>>3980216
a cat which does the same thing over and over --
oh gotta reset ! lol

>> No.3980898

>>3980236
haha yeah imagine grinding in a video game. only speedrunners do that.

>> No.3980918

I have made a 25mins speedrun of Exhumed, aka Powerslave, Saturn version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfxUZqHWcw

I used the PAL Saturn version of the game which is the fastest version (I'm not considering EX because it's a fan made remake and it's bad).

I used bomb jumping (like rocket jumping) to the max of its potential for sequence breaking, and also used other glitches and exploits.

>> No.3980927
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3980927

>>3967213
I used to speedrun Hexen. Then I got the best time and quit for a few years. When I came back to it my time was beaten and I had gotten rusty as fuck, then when I was approaching my prime again a new game breaking glitch was found that completely turned me off.
Now I don't speedrun anymore, but I would be open to trying a new game if I ever find one.