/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3961098]

I have recently rediscovered the Tomb Raider series and started playing the first game on Saturn. It's the first time as an adult that I get to play a Lara-Croft game. As a 12 or 13-year-old teenager, I wasn't quite aware of anything else in the game except for Lara's quite feminine characteristics that, unfortunately, overrode any other thought-out concept the game offers. After getting over the hard time being a 90's teenager, living through the glorious digital revolution of the internet and becoming sensitized to female curves, I discovered more than just a pair of tits and naked tighs in the game. What popular media and video game platforms advertised back then in the 1990s, was a game for randy rams craving for naked skin, like a pixelated VHS porn that you paid a shit ton of money on in the 90s. On the contary, puzzles in the game are quite elaborate and I have found that I am having a hard time to find all the secrets. It's a perfect action-adventure that requests both brains and dexterity. All in all the game deserved the hype it had, but I'm afraid it would not have been quite as succesful, If you had replaced Lara Croft with an Indiana-Jones-like male character. I would have tried it anyway.

I'm sorry for my ignorance, while quite probably being the only one here that hasn't ever finished the game, and my subsequent audacity to post superfluous questions that I quite frankly hope will not remain unanswered or result in a shitstorm against the clueless.
>Is it actually worth ones while to look for all secrets, i.e. do you get a reward or something?
>Have you ever cared about the time you have taken to finish a level?
>Is it cheating when I reload the saved game, after being hit too hard by an adversary or objects that appear out of nowehere and just try the level again (no emulator/ no save-load state)?

Feel free to discuss any other retro Tomb-Raider game, as well.

[Anonymous No.3961103]

>>3961098
>I'm afraid it would not have been quite as succesful, If you had replaced Lara Croft with an Indiana-Jones-like male character.

How about a soul sucking vampire? :)

[Anonymous No.3961107]

ive been going through them for the first time too

tomb raider 2 was real good but they over did it with the combat and it goes on for a little too long

tomb raider 3 is a fuckin cruel game

[Anonymous No.3961112]

Lara's sex appeal was a big part of the franchise. This was the era of the mascot and sony desperately needed one to compete with Sonic and Mario. Crash tried but never really did it, but Lara stood out because of the politics of the era.

Spice girls were the biggest band in the world. They were on every TV show and here's your GRIL POWAH female lead in tomb raider. It became a much easier marketing point that having interesting gameplay as Tomb Raider isn't interesting to normies. Frankly Tomb raiders gameplay is quite slow and boring more often than not, it's a 3D puzzle game more than an action game. Doesn't mean it's bad but it's not what you can sell the game to the public with.

[Anonymous No.3961114]

>>3961098
Why would you pick Saturn? It's kind of a bad version. Still a very good game though.

>Is it actually worth ones while to look for all secrets, i.e. do you get a reward or something?
It's been years, but I don't think you get anything. Certainly nothing special. Only seek them all out if you really want to.

>Have you ever cared about the time you have taken to finish a level?
Not really. It's an exploration, puzzle game I was never trying to rush myself. Though I did find a shortcut that lets your skip almost an entire level and was pretty chuffed with myself back then.

>Is it cheating when I reload the saved game, after being hit too hard by an adversary or objects that appear out of nowehere and just try the level again (no emulator/ no save-load state)?

Technically no. If it helps you enjoy the game, do whatever you want.

Enjoy! Aside from a non-retro one I think the first TR is the best game in the series and one of my favorite games of the whole era.

[Anonymous No.3961117]

>>3961112
>sony
Game was designed for the saturn.

[Anonymous No.3961124]

>>3961112
>Lara's sex appeal was a big part of the franchise.
> Doesn't mean it's bad but it's not what you can sell the game to the public with.

I actually think Lara's design is one of the things that holds the game back. Just in that it gave the impression it might be a titillating easy game that appeals to pervs. When really it's a pretty serious puzzle game. If you play if for the sex appeal and a bit of action you'll be disappointed and if you wanted a real exploring puzzle game you might not have thought that's what Tomb Raider would be.

>Frankly Tomb raiders gameplay is quite slow and boring more often than not, it's a 3D puzzle game more than an action game


Very much. Especially in the first game it's really not an action game at all. It has some action to it, but it really is mostly exploring and puzzles. The sequels are a bit more action heavy though.

[Anonymous No.3961126]

>>3961103
Soul Reaver had great atmosphere and had the bonus of fun combat and the material/spectral plane stuff tho.

[Anonymous No.3961139]

>>3961117
>The first glints of the game were seen on Sega Saturn development kits.[7] However, Gard stated that though Core and Sega had a deal for Tomb Raider to be a timed exclusive for the Saturn, the game was developed simultaneously for the Sega Saturn and the Sony PlayStation.[11] Following the release of the Saturn version, a number of bugs were discovered that affected both versions of the game; because of the timed exclusivity, the development team fixed these bugs for the PlayStation version.

It was developed for both and the PS1 version is considered the default one due to it being where the game really took off.

>>3961124
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about kiddo. Might want to take a look at lad culture and girl power of the 90s. Selling the game as a dungeon adventure would have made it flop. Selling it on Lara made it one of the most iconic games of all time.

[Anonymous No.3961142]

>>3961126
TR had tons of atmosphere as well, especially the second one in the subken ship and tibet, it also had variety going for it
the combat was just shoot while jumping around and try not to fall in a hole
SR did have the interesting impale/burn/drown mechanic, and melee is always more fun than shooting imo
your health depleting in the material realm meant you were always on the move as well

[Anonymous No.3961430]

>>3961098
Tbh the old games are trash. Tomb raider 2013 is the only good one.. Actually it's great even. Rise of the tomb raider is meh but still better than the old turds. Just play tr2013 lads.

[Anonymous No.3961441]

>>3961430
>Just play tr2013 lads.
I did, it was garbage compared to the old ones, I don't know what you're smoking

[Anonymous No.3961447]

>>3961430
Put some effort in your b8, m8.

[Anonymous No.3961482]

>>3961098
>"Lara Croft is so sexualized"

FYI, this isn't even the developers' intention. They explicitly stated that they did not want Lara to be sexualized. But the marketers said fuck you and did it anyway. Then TR's progenitors could do nothing but weep as Core got restructured into a bureaucratic mess that was completely taken over by marketers, and basically did whatever the fuck they wanted with the Tomb Raider IP.

So yeah, it's not surprising that the game has considerably good level designs, since that was the exclusive focus of the development team. Lara's sexualized image is the fault of executive meddling.

[Anonymous No.3961490]

>>3961112
>Lara stood out because of the politics of the era

So what you're saying is, you're an underage faggot who has no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.3961492]

>>3961490
No, he's very likely a 38 year old faggot who has no idea what he's talking about.

[Anonymous No.3961527]

>>3961098
Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine is a game somewhat modelled after the Tomb Raider template, and it's a great game too.

Also>>3961103
>>3961142

[Anonymous No.3961537]

>>3961482
Utter bullshit revisionism.

The reason Lara has big tits is because they accidentally enlarged them and went "oh yea, big tits looks better". If they had wanted to make her non-sexual they wouldn't have put her in booty shorts and a skin tight green tank top.

>>3961490
>Spice girls have their break out single in 1996
>Tomb Raider is released in 1996

Yes, I must be underage and have no idea what I'm talking about. I must just be confusing the Spice girls being on every talk show screaming GIRL POWER with something else. I couldn't have possibly been an active gamer in this period who played through the original game at release.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to see no connection to the first main stream female vidya character and the rise of Spice girls shouting girl power at people constantly?

[Anonymous No.3961557]

>>3961482

I've always thought Toby Gard was a little weenie allergic to boobies myself.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3961561]

Holy shit this thread is terrible. I don't even know where to begin. Tomb Raider was a brilliantly designed game for its time. Saturn and Playstation didn't have the raw polygon rendering power to make a fast 3D platformer like Mario 64 on and they were also trying to corner the adult gamer market so creating more atmospheric games requiring slower more cautious progress was exactly the thing to do. Tomb Raider + Resident Evil was the revolution. Jill and especially Lara were obviously sexualized to the same extent as Bond girls etc were but if the games weren't great too they wouldn't have been successful. Basically the only demographic that would have a negative reaction to a sexy female protagonist at the time were prepubescent boys. The third wave feminists had not yet come to have any effect on video gaming. Normal feminists at the time saw Lara as a strong female role model believe it or not. It's only a decade or more later the developers are forced to backpedal and make convoluted justifications for their simple, brilliant designs in the 90s. What a world.

[Anonymous No.3961565]

>>3961441

It was great for Lara rape porn.

[Anonymous No.3961568]

>>3961098
>Is it actually worth ones while to look for all secrets, i.e. do you get a reward or something?
There's a hidden level to unlock in 3, but you mainly want to just find as many as you can for the weapons, ammo and medipacks. Don't worry about getting them all on your blind run because you won't.

>Have you ever cared about the time you have taken to finish a level?
Only when speedrunning. Most of the time I enjoy replaying 1+2 at a relaxed pace even though I know them inside and out, and I have to go slow through 3+4+5 because I'm not as familiar with them.

>Is it cheating when I reload the saved game, after being hit too hard by an adversary or objects that appear out of nowehere and just try the level again (no emulator/ no save-load state)?
Fuck it, just play it your way. Don't fret about using medipacks though, seeing as there's plenty left around, and even the small ones refill half health.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3961570]

>>3961537
>tfw if there were a spice girls reboot, sporty would be a hairy dyke and scary would weigh 300 pounds and have rainbow dyed hair

[Anonymous No.3961572]

>>3961561

No, the lead absolutely was a milquetoast who hated the sexualization.

Good riddance. Shame TR3 was so overdesigned, though.

[Anonymous No.3961574]

>>3961570
So they would look like themselves now then? :D

[Anonymous No.3961578]

>>3961572
>Guy in charge hates something
>Lets it happen any way

Not buying your story.

[Anonymous No.3961579]

>>3961537
0/10

Not adopting your trip doesn't make your shitposting any less obvious.

[Anonymous No.3961589]

>>3961139
>Selling the game as a dungeon adventure would have made it flop.

Possibly, and honestly I think the reason Underworld didn't do so well is that they really went back to the series' roots to make it more of an environment puzzle game again but toned down the sex appeal.

Even still, I would have rather the game succeeded on it's real merits rather than having to be bolstered by the titillation. Not that I have anything against sexiness and boobs, I just like content better. I wish there were more people who wanted the actual kind of game it is.

[Anonymous No.3961593]

Tomb Raider should be comfy threads where people go "dude, lara croft's boobs are awesome"

instead we get autistic tripe like the one ITT

you can goanfuckyourselves m8s

[Anonymous No.3961594]

>>3961578

In what universe do you live where executive meddling plain does not occur? If your boss' boss says "big tits are fine" even though your boss has explicitly stated he hates the concept, what do you imagine is going to happen?

Someone on the team liked a bombshell Lara. That doesn't mean Toby did.

[Anonymous No.3961597]

>>3961593

You need to calm your tits, m80.

[Anonymous No.3961598]

>>3961589
Underworld flopped because they never did shit with the marketing. Most people didn't even know any games came out after Legend. Angel of Darkness when being mentioned at all was called terrible and no one had a reason to touch Underworld if they were told the series now sucked.

Toning down the sex appeal is bullshit. You start the game in a skin tight swim suit with the camera up your asshole. It was the same stuff Lara always did.

[Anonymous No.3961613]

>>3961594
Agreed.

I also agree that tomb raider was part of the girl power thing. Not like the spice girls, but in general as a role model to young women. Too bad mostly dudes played. Theres the nude cheat code and if you hold some triggers down while climbing up a ledge, she does a sexy flip thing. Super sexualized.

But she was a good mascot, in a good game. My favorite is revelations. But theres so fuckin many of them now.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3961615]

>>3961579
I'm far from the only person on this board who has actual first hand recollection of the 90s, Anon. But for people in this thread to try to claim Lara Croft wasn't designed to be sexualized makes me think they haven't played Tomb Raider for more than 5 minutes.

The thing is, at the time THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. The pervading idea that sex appeal is somehow a fundamentally unethical thing is a very recent notion.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3961618]

>>3961574
Nah, Mel B & C are both still quite attractive.

[Anonymous No.3961620]

>>3961598
I remember it getting a decent amount of marketing. But the marketing was all "look at this new Tomb Raider! Physics puzzles! Massive levels! Exploration! Isn't that what you want out of Tomb Raider?" Then just crickets.

And yeah, she's still sexy as fuck in game but it was mostly marketing that I was talking about. Focused less on Lara being sexy (though that model they hired was) and more on the game. The result is the game kind of flopped, but again I think that's because most gamers don't really want what Tomb Raider was going for. Which is why the reboot made to be more like Uncharted was so much more popular.

[Anonymous No.3961631]

>>3961613

As far as I'm concerned the series ends with Revelations. Lara died, plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.3961637]

>>3961615

>But for people in this thread to try to claim Lara Croft wasn't designed to be sexualized makes me think they haven't played Tomb Raider for more than 5 minutes.

I never claimed anything of the sort. You're oversimplifying.

[Anonymous No.3961640]

>>3961613
There was no nude cheat it was an april fools joke by a magazine after rumours were going round on playgrounds. Same as playing as Tails in smash brothers.

The handstand was just a novelty move you could do and didn't stand out in any way beyond an easter egg. Same with the ability to dive.

>>3961620
Are you retarded? Underworld was uncharted as fuck. The reason the reboot did so well was the constant marketing for political ends.

In the UK and online I didn't see shit for it being marketed. Angel of Darkness was the last one pushed until the reboot. I think you under estimate how badly AoD flopped and how that fucked the first reboot even though it was good.

[Anonymous No.3961642]

>>3961631
>the series ends with Revelations

this, even chronicles was sub-par

[Anonymous No.3961661]

>>3961640
>Are you retarded? Underworld was uncharted as fuck.

Are you kidding me? Uncharted is basically a shooter on rails where every once in a while you solve a minor puzzle. They're completely different.

Tomb Raider is among my favorite series of all time and Underworld is beside the first one as my two favorites out of all of them.

I played the first two Uncharteds and half way through the third because a friend of mine is a huge fan and wanted to watch me go through them. I hated them more than almost any other game I've ever played. Outside of themes the two series have barely any similarities and are really in different genre. They all felt a hell of a lot more like Crash Bandicoot than Tomb Raider to me.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3961663]

>>3961640
Yep. Nothing remotely sexual here. Anyone who thinks so is just a filthy pig.

[Anonymous No.3961697]

>>3961447
why do you pretend to like shitty games?
:V

[Anonymous No.3961704]

>>3961663
He does have a point that that's a minor thing and not even the normal way she gets up from a ledge.

[Anonymous No.3961787]

>>3961663
>If I screencap it in an exact pose where it looks like she's sticking her ass out then it looks sexual.

Fucking retarded..

[Anonymous No.3961853]

>>3961663
Gymnastics aren't sexual. Maybe the point of view would be sexual, but that view is used anyways in the gameplay

[Anonymous No.3961864]

Nu lara > old lara

[Anonymous No.3961865]

>>3961864
Especially in writing. Crystal Dynamics wrecked her personality in the PS2 reboot.

[Anonymous No.3961867]

>>3961557
>>3961594
>Toby talking about Lara and her boobs.

>The marketing men just saw them as the easy route to take with their campaign. I reckon they must have thought, "How are we going to market this? Hey, look at her enormous oojahs! I have a cunning plan."

>Lara was designed to be a tough, self-reliant, intelligent woman. She confounds all the sexist cliches apart from the fact that she's got an unbelievable figure. Strong, independent women are the perfect fantasy girls - the untouchable is always the most desirable.

[Anonymous No.3961874]

>>3961867
>sexist cliches
Uh huh. I'm sure that interview isn't a modern one by a guy virtue signalling.

[Anonymous No.3961906]

>>3961640
True, but modders made it happen. Her flip may be a novelty, but it was super sexy when i was a preteen and i used it way to often. Most of my friends used it alot too. Its not like it was was put in not to sexualize her, cause thats the exact reason it is in the game.

[Anonymous No.3961915]

>>3961874
You're correct, it's from the 90's fairly soon after the first game came out.

[Anonymous No.3961918]

>>3961906
>it was super sexy when i was a preteen

This explains a lot

[Anonymous No.3961924]

>>3961631
You could say its the last game in the timeline, but prequels are still a thing and are still being made( regardless of how shitty they may be). Your opinion doesnt really matter. Its like how samus was cucked in other m n shit, doesnt mean its not canon. You can whine all you want, doesnt mean shit.

[Anonymous No.3961926]

Nothing more sexy than drowning and throwing a helpless woman off a cliff repeatedly as I hear her moaning. That was my fetish.

[Anonymous No.3961931]

>>3961924

Why do I care what some shitty corporation thinks? The creators have more standing than they ever will.

[Anonymous No.3961937]

>>3961926

I like the way you think.

[Anonymous No.3961947]

>>3961918
Sure, i guess. Doesnt mean her handstand wasnt meant to be sexual, its useless to use, whereas the dive was actually a usefull feature.

[Anonymous No.3962002]

>>3961906
>thats the exact reason it is in the game.
It's Core showing off their hand-animated motion tech, adding an elegant, but mechanically useless, move that looks nice in demos and reinforces the character's strength and gymnastic ability.

[Anonymous No.3962008]

>>3961937
Also watch her get mauled by tigers.

[Anonymous No.3962012]

>>3962008

Getting uncomfortably close to guro.

[Anonymous No.3962018]

>>3962012
It's not like we didn't all let Lara fail every event to see the death animations is it?

[Anonymous No.3962024]

>>3962012
She deserves it the fucking BITCH

[Anonymous No.3962025]

>>3962018

Wat.

[Anonymous No.3962439]

>>3962025
You didn't fail every quick time event on purpose just to see Lara die and how laughable the cut scenes were?

[Anonymous No.3963037]

I hear she's good with horses.

anyway, I sold all my tomb raider games a while ago and now I kind of want to go get the PS1 tomb raiders back, I've already found a copy of TR2 so far. honestly, are the post-PS1 tomb raiders even worthwhile? the last one I played is the 2013 one

[Anonymous No.3963042]

>>3963037
The Crystal Dynamics games are alright, platforming is like halfway term between the classic physics and scripted jumps, when you do a close dodge in combat you go into slowmo bullet time mode ala Bayonetta/Breath the Wild called Adrenaline Dodge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcY_S_NjyYs
Writing is atrocious though and they ruined Lara's character.

[Anonymous No.3963053]

>>3963042
Adrenaline dodge is only for Tomb Raider Anniversary, in Legends most enemies are armed with hitscan guns and can't be dodged.

[Anonymous No.3963063]

>>3961864
>>3961697
yeah love me some cover based shooting and puzzles even more simplistic than that of Zeldas

[Anonymous No.3963591]

>>3962439
>quick time event
lols someone only played the shitty remake.

[Anonymous No.3964321]

Tomb Raider GBC is pretty great actually.

[Anonymous No.3964329]

>>3961107
Agree. I wouldn't play it on ps with 4 save crystals per level.

[Anonymous No.3964383]

>>3961098
The PC "gold" versions came with a level editor that has thousands of custom levels (and some entire custom full-length games) with more being made daily. So there's no shortage of material to play.

TRLE.net is a good place to start finding them.

>>3961107
I liked them all except the first one.


>>3961430
I hope this is a troll

[Anonymous No.3964391]

I'm actually replaying the third one, yeah, I had to use the walkthrough a few times, sometime the answer where to go is just fucking stupidly hard. I'm an employed man, not a child, I don't have 8 hours to spend searching for how to advance the level. Other than that, I appreciate that you can save anytime and anywhere, that was sorely missing in the PS versions, shit was frustrating.

[Anonymous No.3964409]

I loved these games but I still think the controls suck

[Anonymous No.3964415]

>>3961430
I'll admit that I liked nuTomb Raider for what it was, but no.

[Anonymous No.3964431]

What do TR fans think of Prince of Persia 3D?

[Anonymous No.3964536]

>>3964329
i read about how saving works on the psx version and it sounds like a nightmare

[Anonymous No.3965121]

OG Tomb Raider games were hard as hell.

[Anonymous No.3965647]

>>3961537
it takes way more than a year to make a videogame, dumbass

[Anonymous No.3965695]

>>3961537
>Utter bullshit revisionism.

I believe Toby Gard, but I don't believe the rest of Core.

[Anonymous No.3965708]

>>3965695

This is what I was attempting to convey.

[Anonymous No.3966141]

>>3964391
The vastness of exploring is what made them fun to me, and it's something lost on modern ones including the latest one which still doesn't live up to the classics.

>>3965121
They're only hard if I attempt to play on PC using keyboard controls.

[Anonymous No.3966179]

>>3961098
her tits looks retarded on this cover wth

[Anonymous No.3966221]

Admittedly I was a knee-height when TR1 game out, but never really found her sexy.
Liked the games for what they were.

Probably explains how I ended up...

>>3961874
That isn't just a modern thing.

[Anonymous No.3966326]

>>3966141
No, they're hard in general. It got much easier when they allowed you to save anywhere, but man those failed jumps or instant death traps would always make me rage

The PS2 games were so easy compared to the PSX era.

[Anonymous No.3966426]

Posting this again.
Funny how the marketing got Tomb Raider wrong, until the developers themselves started changing the game to be more like what was marketed and more like the movies.

Tomb Raider was a methodical, slow exploration game with a modest ugly polygonal woman, not a blazing fast action game with some barely dressed 90's Image comics hot girl. There's nothing sexy about Tomb Raider, and Lara looked bad even for the time, when we had plenty of better looking 3D girls.

The movies also got Tomb Raider completely wrong. Actually playing Tomb Raider after hearing about it and watching the awful movies must had been a big letdown for some people.

Music from the games. Good, calm relaxing music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKEmoDvPqvc

Music from the first movie. The kind of shit you would expect to hear when you heard someone talking about how "sexy" and "radical" was Lara Croft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKMawHGfGAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SGo9Vjzh7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2AGbW_PJlk

Tomb Raider and "sexy" is worse than Sonic and going fast.

[Anonymous No.3966435]

>>3966426
>There's nothing sexy about Tomb Raider

The guy who designed her refers to her as sexy.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3966463]

>>3966435
It's mindboggling to me that there's even a debate about it. A person who can sit down and play Tomb Raider and ignore the sex appeal must have a brain that has literally been programmed differently from the beginning. Is this what a millenial actually is? How strange and alien.

[Anonymous No.3966483]

>>3966463
There's nothing sexy about Lara. At least in the first game.
She's just a crude model with exaggerated feminine curves more akin to a tranny than to a woman.

[Anonymous No.3966490]

>>3966463
It really, really is. I think they're so used to modern T&A games with HD cameltoe and jiggle physics that they can't imagine something blocky like PS1 Lara being sexy to anyone. But if you saw that game when it was new, you know. Even her just normal walking animation is sexy as fuck

[Anonymous No.3966501]

>>3966483
>more akin to a tranny than to a woman.
Ohh millennials!

[Anonymous No.3966521]

>>3966490
But Lara didn't looked good. We had thousands of better looking girls at the time.

[Anonymous No.3966526]

>>3966521
If you're trying to convince us you're not an underage dipshit, you're doing a terrible job.

[Anonymous No.3966538]

>>3966526
I'm not underage. Lara looked bad. Even in the renders. But she was the first female protagonist to get famous in the girl power era.
The marketing pushed hard the "sexy" side of the game while the actual game wasn't sexy, but pretty stern.

[Anonymous No.3966548]

>>3966538
You might not think she's sexy but she was definitely designed to be so from her look to personality to animations. Toby Gard has said so himself.

[Anonymous No.3966553]

>>3966426
>the marketing got Tomb Raider wrong

I wonder how that could've happened

[Anonymous No.3966604]

>>3961098
Secrets contain useful items like medkits and ammo

Never cared about PAR time. When I was a dumb kid it could take me an hour or two to figure out a particular puzzle.

Reloading if encounter went terribly wrong is alright - enemies are there mostly so you could tick the "action" box of the action-adventure genre. Platforming puzzles are the main meat of the game.

[Anonymous No.3966621]

>>3964321
looking at this I suddenly realise that Tomb Raider is actually Prince of Persia 3D done right.

[Anonymous No.3966625]

>>3966426
The first TR was the first full-3-D game in existence where you not only move left-right but also up and down in full dimension. It was brand new territory for the devs. And graphically it looked better than anything the competition (Nintendo) put out.

So you need to factor that in.


TODAY it's uglier than shit but back then it was a milestone title.

[Anonymous No.3966627]

>>3966521
It didn't matter how she actually looked in game/on the screen because people back then actually had a thing called "imagination".

Also renders with varying degrees of nudity

[Anonymous No.3966629]

>>3964536
You can blame primitive code for that. Then again TR1 is not a difficult game compared to the later ones. It was released in an era where full 3D was extremely rare and gamers hadn't developed the proper "techniques" yet.

Compared to 2 though, the game is quite trivial, even the endgame foes can be reliably taken down with the pistols

[Anonymous No.3966632]

>>3966625
>The first TR was the first full-3-D game in existence where you not only move left-right but also up and down in full dimension.

lol the underage in this thread is incredible.

[Anonymous No.3966636]

>>3966625
Someone's never heard about Descent (came out 2 years prior, full 360 movement, complex 3D labyrinths)

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3966637]

>>3966490
Do they not grasp anything beyond overt nearly obscene sexuality? Is that part of what's wrong withmodern human interaction?

>>3966521
There were some better looking female models in some fighting games. Fighting games could invest more polygons in their character models because they fought on flat empty planes. Whether she's sexy to you is irrelevant to the discussion though.

[Anonymous No.3966638]

>>3966632
That's not full 3d. That's 2d space pretending to be 3d

[Anonymous No.3966640]

>>3966629
It's also capacity of what it was played on. It took a while to know how much a PS1 and a PC would take, so there was a learning curve.

[Anonymous No.3966647]

>>3966636
Also Ultima Underworld and System Shock.

And while we at it, Driller and Castle Master.

[Anonymous No.3966654]

>>3961867
Word. Lara is strong, fast, wealthy, and is extremely skilled and knowledgable.

All games show that she is extremely athletic, proficient with guns, vehicles, and first-aid. In addition to that, she states that she built the assault course in TR2 and 3, which means she is skilled in carpentry and construction. In TR4, she reads ancient plaques in Angkor Wat and Egypt showing proficiency in multiple languages, and she very well could've been speaking Tibetan to Brother Cheng in TR2 but was "dubbed" into English as the game had no subtitles.

That last part may seem odd, but remember that the alternative is two Italian guys beating up a Tibetan guy while speaking English.

[Anonymous No.3966658]

>>3966627
It's funny how the promo material had a lot of raciness to them but in the games themselves she is hardly sexualized at all, and in the end of 2 she outright averts it by breaking the fourth wall and the camera.

[Anonymous No.3966662]

>>3966638
Many early 3D games had a concept of height, but not true 3D. Doom for instance does not allow you to go over AND under anything as the concept of a "bridge" was outright insanity back then.

[Anonymous No.3966664]

>>3966638
You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know anything about.

[Anonymous No.3966675]

>>3966662
Doom is a game that looked 3D but wasn't actually. Flight Simulator was full proper 3D.

So was Acrtic Fox, though you had to use cheats to make your tank fly like the enemies if you wanted to move up and down also.

[Anonymous No.3966964]

>>3966221
>>3966426
Lara is the most sexy vidya woman, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.3966981]

>>3966490
I really like this animation, her hips are so wide that she must spread her arms wider. Absolutely cute.

[Anonymous No.3967003]

>>3966426
Another underaged who didn't know Toby Gard made Lara sexy from the get go.

>Toby developed the model to look like his drawings," Boyd says. "I knew we'd get flak from people. But he wasn't bothered about that. He was happy with the way she was. I don't know whether he had a thing for big breasts? He was a very secretive guy. He'd never answer a question straight.

>Toby was obviously trying to make her sexy, because that was meant to be part of her character. He always claims he slipped on the mouse and made the breasts bigger than he meant to, but how true that is, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.3968061]

>>3966426
>ugly polygonal woman

Dood, it was 1996. The period technology was pretty fucking limiting. The original, gen1 single core Pentium running at 100 Mhz was the absolute best available to consumers around that time, and the game engine had to render not just the actors, but an entire, vast 3D world with that alone. Trust me, the game was being plenty generous with its graphical detail under the conditions. Lara's 3D model has nothing to be ashamed of next to the original renders of such girls like Jill Valentine, Nina Willians and Sarah Bryant.

Also, in her hand drawn concept arts she looks much better. An athletic and strong bombshell. There's a good reason why she drove hormonal teenage geeks crazy at the time. In 1996 she was the pinnacle of video game queens.

Though I do admit that they later got the new character model for the Last Revelation and Chronicles horribly wrong, like some silicone porn star who was hooked on crank. But that was already when the series had gone full retard in every other way as well.

But my point stands: The original 1996 Lara was an excellent model for its time.

[Anonymous No.3969617]

Damn, these raptors in tr3 are on par with original t-rex in terms of health. I don't even wanna talk about the new t-rex.

[Anonymous No.3969647]

>>3961112
>Crash tried but never really did it
It's pretty well accepeted Crash was the de facto Sony mascot. The only problem was that Sony themselves never officially recognized it.

[Anonymous No.3969651]

>>3969647
Accepted*, my bad.

[Anonymous No.3969912]

>>3968061
>Lara's 3D model has nothing to be ashamed of next to the original renders of such girls like Jill Valentine, Nina Willians and Sarah Bryant.
Fuck no. Compare this...

[Anonymous No.3969915]

>>3969912
To this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIFMHqCMs0I

Lara was sub-Donkey Kong-tier.

[Anonymous No.3969919]

>>3968061
>Last Revelation and Chronicles horribly wrong, like some silicone porn star who was hooked on crank.
Lookin good.
And this was in fuckin 1999! With all the money they could hire good modelers, but they shat this.

[Anonymous No.3969923]

>>3969915
You're a weabo, that's why you think Sarah looks better.

[Anonymous No.3969936]

>>3969923
There's nothing anime about Sarah, anon. VF was never animu.
Here's Pai, from 1994.

[Anonymous No.3969947]

>>3969912
>>3969915
>>3969919
>>3969936
Even in 1996 people were fucking graphic whores.

[Anonymous No.3969963]

>>3969947
Anon, look at this clusterfuck >>3969919. This shit is even scary. Those devil eyes, those plastic teeth... it's dreadful. And the last model is from 1999, when we had Tekken 3, Final Fantasy VIII, Resident Evil 3, Shenmue, Silent Hill. We had Virtua Fighter 3 with awesome renders in 1996!
Tomb Raider was stuck in the past while the Lara model was getting worse, not better.

LOOK AT THIS SHIT, ANON! LOOK INTO HER EYES!

[Anonymous No.3970620]

>>3969912
>>3969915
Oh, you meant the high-res models and not the in-game models? Well those differences have nothing to do with tech, it comes down to the skills of the individual artist. And Core's guys were never top-of-the-line in that regard. Jap artists could have without a doubt been able to produce a very cute Lara.

Still, nothing wrong with >>3969912 though.

[Anonymous No.3970628]

>>3970620
>Jap artists could have without a doubt been able to produce a very cute Lara.
Behold, Japanese Lara according to artwork included with the game in that version.

[Anonymous No.3970635]

>>3970628
lol I was just gonna post this. Once again Japs design sexier girls.

[Anonymous No.3970647]

>>3969963
>>3969919
>TR4
disregarded

[Anonymous No.3970649]

>>3970628
>>3970635
Fuck off weabs.

[Anonymous No.3970664]

>>3970635
she looks standard as shit actually

[Anonymous No.3970668]

>>3969915
that music is so good

[Anonymous No.3970669]

>>3970628
I like it.

[Anonymous No.3970801]

>>3970628
It's like she lost all the individuality.

[Anonymous No.3970986]

>>3969919
Fighter games don't have massive levels larger than any fghter gamme's levels ever made while costricted to 2mb RAM/1 mb VRAM of a PS1.

They only had so much room to work with for rendering characters.


>>3969963
She looks so much better in-game. For some reason the renders are always uglier than in-game.

[Anonymous No.3971020]

>>3970628
Not terrible, but looks like a PilotWings character.

[Anonymous No.3971051]

>>3970628
not terrible, but utterly generic like most annie may girls

[Anonymous No.3971167]

>>3970801
Lara's teeth have always creeped me.

>>3970986
We're talking about the renders and the character design. Ingame model is OK and couldn't be much better than what it is.

[Anonymous No.3971186]

>>3971167
Colgate.

[Anonymous No.3971206]

>>3970628
Jap Lara is best Lara

[Anonymous No.3971309]

>>3971167
I ignore the renders. Every time I see them I think "black boyfriend and going to trade college for a degree in being a nurse's assistant."

But the funny thing is even the merch looked better than the renders.

[Anonymous No.3971314]

>>3966483

you underestimate the lengths teenage boys went through to jack off in the pre-broadband world. you youngsters have it too easy.

[Anonymous No.3971325]

>>3971186

[Anonymous No.3971331]

>>3971314
Word. My grandmother's fucking knitting catalogues. Busty ladies in sweaters was the hottest thing I'd ever seen.

[Anonymous No.3971334]

Low draw distance

[Anonymous No.3971337]

High draw distance

[Anonymous No.3971851]

>>3971309
I like her renders.

[Anonymous No.3972510]

>>3971186
The separated ones are worse.

[Anonymous No.3972521]

>>3961098
I have a challenge to EIDOS. Create a storyline in which Lara gets breast cancer. Imagine the drama of a vulnerable Lara Croft still persisting on her worldly adventures despite her illness. It needs fleshing out, no pun intended, but I guarantee the gaming world would be shocked, stunned, and moved by the effort to make Lara's character more meaningful.

[Anonymous No.3972659]

>>3971314

I used to physically hump my mother's old fashion magazines while on the pot.

Trust me, I know what it was like. You forget the poor are always at least ten years behind everyone else.

[Anonymous No.3972970]

>>3971337
How did you do it?

[Anonymous No.3972976]

>>3972521
The cancer meme died in the early 2000s. Nowadays she'll have to struggle with gender dysphoria and how she wants to be a man

[Anonymous No.3972991]

>>3972521
George Wood could have saved video games if we only let him

>>3972976
tbqh we might see that in a popular game character, but not an ftm

[Anonymous No.3972993]

The worst thing about Lara is that she's British

[Anonymous No.3973096]

>>3972993
Would you have preferred an Aussie instead?

(Actually, not such a bad idea come to think of it...)

[Anonymous No.3973102]

>>3971337
That's the high-res patch, right?

[Anonymous No.3973393]

>>3972993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqZkz-I4nE

[Anonymous No.3973394]

>>3972993
Old Lara's fine as a Brit

Modern Lara is awful no matter how you try to spin it

[Anonymous No.3975156]

>>3972993
I think originally she was supposed to be hispanic or something, Lara Cruz

http://tombraider.wikia.com/wiki/Laura_Cruz

[Anonymous No.3975276]

>>3961107
i got really motivated to marathon the series. i stopped halfway through 3. it was too "where do i go next". and of course, i went through the frustrating "where are the tombs?" stage of boredom.

I played the ones on gamecube+ and they're solid, but they're they're more like 3rd person shooters than puzzle/adventure.

If you can go through the first 3, I think you got about 90% of the spirit of the franchise.

[Anonymous No.3975295]

>>3966654
in some of the cut scenes she makes it known she wants the D. remember when being a strong woman meant not being an asexual brute?

[Anonymous No.3975303]

>>3975156
> It was first changed to Lara due to Americans not being able to pronounce Laura
How is it supposed to be pronounced? How do Americans pronounce it?

[Anonymous No.3975306]

>>3969963
jesus is this real promo material?

[Anonymous No.3975310]

>>3975303
>How do Americans pronounce it?
Lohr-uh

[Anonymous No.3975314]

>>3973394
Old Lara was a rich trustafarian backpacking all over the world just to steal shit to add to her mansion. She's not even intellectually interested in the things she steals the same way Indiana Jones was. New Lara has better backstory and personality.

[Anonymous No.3975317]

Possibly the only TR render I really like. Lara is weird as always, but it does feel really comfy.

>>3975306
Yes.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3975328]

>>3975310
>>3975303
Just remind us Americans that it's like the feminine form of "Larry"

[Anonymous No.3975330]

>>3975310
Even with the name change Americas still pronounced it like that.

[Anonymous No.3975871]

>>3975276
Dunno, I'm playing tr3 now and watching TLR screenshots, it's literally tomb:the game.

[Anonymous No.3975876]

>>3975276
tomb raider 3 is frustrating because it has a lot of shit that i love to see in videogames but the developers were obsessed with cheap shotting the player and it drags the whole thing down

[Anonymous No.3975881]

>>3975295
What game exactly?

[Anonymous No.3975893]

>>3975317
You probably haven't seen much of them.
http://raidingtheglobe.com/gallery

[NESfag No.3975897]

I enjoyed the comic book series, though in the middle of it they switched writer and it became bad for about 10-15 issues.

[Anonymous No.3976112]

>>3975876
The only thing that bothers me about the TR games are the timed doors. They just constantly piss me off to no end.

[Anonymous No.3977213]

[Anonymous No.3978198]

[Anonymous No.3979970]

>>3961631
>As far as I'm concerned the series ends with Revelations. Lara died, plain and simple.
go look up andy sandhams reason for killing her off, then look at a photo of the guy

he looks like a smug pedo jew

[Anonymous No.3980000]

>>3975156
>http://tombraider.wikia.com/wiki/Laura_Cruz
i always thought that a tanned, auburn haired, brown eyed, big-lipped british women seemed kind of off

[Anonymous No.3980827]

>>3979970
>Jeremy and Adrian (our bosses) were very much hands off with regards what we wanted to do with the games - other than ‘greenlighting’ settings, etc. – We were all a little sick of Lara, and decided killing her might give us a chance to move onto a new project. Didn’t work – although in hindsight, I’m amazed how much freedom they gave us – these days, If you proposed killing Lara croft, you’d probably end up sleeping with the fishes…The joys of a small team are coming back though, via indie projects…
Nothing wrong really.

[Anonymous No.3980847]

>>3980000
Lara wasn't a common brit anyway.

[Anonymous No.3980849]

>>3980000
Here's another.

[Anonymous No.3980878]

>>3975314
>New Lara has better backstory and personality.
Not really.

[Anonymous No.3981005]

>>3980000
Not so much the tanned necessarily, but add her big milk fed titties into the mix and you just described a typical English woman.

[Anonymous No.3981008]

>>3961430
>Comparing Uncharted ripoff to the original Tomb Raider.

wew

[Anonymous No.3981065]

>>3961112
Anyone else who really wasn't bothered by GURL POWAH at all when they were still allowed to be sexy? It's all this puritanism with these current day feminists that really bothers me.

[Anonymous No.3981068]

>>3961124
>I actually think Lara's design is one of the things that holds the game back

Fuck off, eunuch.

[Anonymous No.3981079]

>>3981068
Eat shit baby face. Actually read what I wrote. I like her design, but it made people think it was a less serious game than it is.


Wow you're salty this morning.

[Anonymous No.3981098]

>>3966426
Wrong.

>>3966463
This shit is like the anti PSX fags all over again. What is it with all the little kids trying to tell us old fuckers what actually happened in the 90s when they were still shitting in their diapers if they had even been born.

>>3966483
Nigga, you don't understand. This was before readily available HD internet pron. We wanked it to the fucking swimwear sections of clothing catalogs. Lara Croft was a sex symbol with ridiculous mainstream coverage, exactly because it did hit the nerve of the time so well as that other guy said.

[Anonymous No.3981106]

>>3966538
>Lara looked bad. Even in the renders.
Why do you lie?

It's looks dated now but still far from bad.

[Anonymous No.3981141]

>>3981079
It was a fucking smash hit and part of that success was 100% down to Lara's sex appeal. It did not hold the game back. That's a ridiculous claim.

>Wow you're salty this morning.
That was my first post in this thread, you paranoid fuck.

[Anonymous No.3981151]

>>3981141
I still think it's part of the reason the subsequent games took a more action focused rout to appeal to the people who were playing for Lara as opposed to those playing for Tomb Raiding. I think her being a sex symbol changed the demographic the games were going for. The first game is amazing and then the quality of level design and puzzles took a nose dive over casual action and better looking boobs.

And your first post today in this thread, but on on /vr/, obviously.

[Anonymous No.3981154]

>>3981151
You're absolutely right. At least in my case.

[Anonymous No.3981184]

>>3981151
I don't think you can blame the shitty action heavy direction the sequels took on the sex appeal of Lara. I think you can definitely blame it on the franchise becoming massively popular though. And as I said, the sex appeal played a huge part in that, so I guess we kind of agree on that part. It was the combination of a great puzzle and exploration game with a very presentable and contemporary relevant main character that made the first game so successful. So again, I do not think it held the game back in any way but if you were to say that it is in part responsible for the sequels being ruined by trying to appeal to an even wider audience, I would agree.

I know I certainly wouldn't have enjoyed the game as much as I did if it had featured a male character though. There was something about being alone with Lara that made the game really special. I actually only finished the first one of the classic games. I played the second game until the venice level and decided this game wasn't for me. Never picked up another Tomb Raider game, I also hated all the new costumes. Fuck the sequels desu famalam.

I enjoyed the fuck out of Anniversary though.

[Anonymous No.3981204]

>>3981184
>>3981184
Yeah that's pretty much what I'm getting at. It's not that I didn't like her character or design in itself. But it was definitely one of the things that brought the game massive appeal. And let's face it, the kind of game Tomb Raider was going for was never going to appeal to the masses. It's much more exploring and solving logic puzzles than the running around and shooting which has always been more popular.

As a side note, I think that's exactly why the reboot did so well. Tomb Raider had been limping along for a years at that point. Underworld is an incredible game, but it's more in line with the first one being more about puzzles than action. And though it has some fans, the game essentially flopped.

But then along came Uncharted, which I think is the game many people always wanted Tomb Raider to be. It has the feeling of going on an archeological adventure and solving ancient mysteries. But the "puzzles" are all laid out for you, you can't get lost because everywhere is a well disguised tight path and the bulk of the actual gameplay is just a 3rd person shooter.

Uncharted was instantly more popular than Tomb Raider had even been able to dream of for years. So they took that idea, re-inserted Lara and *poof* it's mega popular again.

I despise the Uncharted games more than almost any others I've ever played (favor for a friend is why I played them at all) and it makes me a little sad, but I do get why the series is so popular. I also can't really hold a grudge against the new Tomb Raider even if I think it looks like a pile of shit, I'm in the minority and their job is to make games that sell well and stay in business.

Aside from the quick time events I had a blast with Anniversary as well. TR1 is among my favorite games of all time.

[Anonymous No.3981206]

>>3980827
I read that he and his team wanted to kill her off because they were tired of looking at her everyday for years, and they didnt let their higher up know until it was too late.

[Anonymous No.3981415]

>>3980827
>The joys of a small team are coming back though, via indie projects…

Small team game made in the spirit of Tomb Raider 1 when???

>>3980847
>>3980849
This guy knows what's up.

[Anonymous No.3981423]

>>3981204
devs and publishers learning that people care more about the idea of what they're doing than what they're actually doing is one of the worst things that ever happened to videogames

[Anonymous No.3981497]

>>3981415
>Small team game made in the spirit of Tomb Raider 1 when???
It would require a lot of work. There's guy who's making tr2 remake and even he not sure when will he finish it. Indie studios make games with simple technical stuff for a reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3QqhJLjytY

[Anonymous No.3981534]

>>3981497
Meh, it looks like the Crystal Dynamics games.

[Anonymous No.3981546]

>>3981497
A high res remake of TR2 wasn't what I was going for. That sounds pointless.

I mean a new game in the TR vein, could even have outdated or simple graphics if the puzzles and exploring were solid.

[Anonymous No.3982401]

>tfw not autistic and can appreciate both Playboy cover wank fest Lara and Indiana Jane Bond smooth and dangerous femme fatale Lara while knowing the real gameplay is a slow and methodical action platformer

[Anonymous No.3982723]

>>3982401
>Playboy Lara
>femme fatale Lara
It's the same thing.

>action
...

[Anonymous No.3982724]

>>3981497
Looks like Anniversary but without QTEs and gimmicky combat, I'm pleased.

[Anonymous No.3983361]

>>3981534
>Crystal Dynamics games
They are different.
LAU don't liked by both corefags and nuLara fans for some reason, unfair in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.3985065]

>>3983361
>unfair
True. What a damn shame.

It was kind of a transitional phase.

[Anonymous No.3985614]

>>3981008
>NuTomb Raider
>Uncharted ripoff

Actually, Uncharted riped off of Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary.

[Anonymous No.3985736]

>>3985614
>Actually, Uncharted riped off of Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary.

Not at all. Uncharted took from the concept of Tomb Raider, but the actual games are almost completely different.

[Anonymous No.3985904]

TR1: meh
TR2: good
TR3: boring
TR4: Best one
TR5: meh
TRAOD: bad
TR Legend: Fairly Good
TR Annyversay: Meh/boring
TR Underworld: Good but short
TR: Good but doesnt feel like a TR game
ROTTR: Already gone by the look of it

[Anonymous No.3986634]

>>3985904
TR1: good beginning
TR2: the best
TR3: boring
TR4: getting good again
TR5: meh, only good for the editor
TRAOD: nice try, still bad
TR Legend: Fairly Good
TR Annyversay: This shouldn't have existed
TR Underworld: These shitty collisions are beginning to bug me
TR: This is not my TR
ROTTR: This is not my TR either

[Anonymous No.3986737]

>>3986634
>greatest entry for getting into the series
>shouldn't have existed

[Anonymous No.3987436]

>>3986737
I don't understand how anyone could rate TR2013 and Legend higher than Anniversary.

[Anonymous No.3988510]

>>3966426
>Tomb Raider and "sexy" is worse than Sonic and going fast.

You know, when I was a wee lad playing the Sega Genesis Sonic did go pretty fast.

What is it with these newfags who feel the need to completely misinterpret a period of time and gaming that they obviously never experienced first hand?

[Anonymous No.3988515]

>>3966538
Yesyesyes. And none of the pubescent teenage kids where exchanging fake nude raider cheats, getting lara croft posters and generally obsessing over the game.

Hell, even girls who played the game knew she was sexy. Most which I knew ran into the walls on purpose for the "ugh" sound she made. It was fucking weird, but there you go.

[Anonymous No.3988769]

>>3987436
>>3986634
aod is the worst.
3 is second worst

Crystal Dynamics games are alright, including anniversary.

neo-TR is shitty crap. Also in ROTTR Lara reads completely unrelated shit from russian murals (the actual text on them is perfectly visible), and calls a passport of a KGB officer "a prisoner's ID"

[Anonymous No.3988797]

>>3988769
What's wrong with 3? Difficulty?

[Anonymous No.3988832]

>>3988797
boring level design, overabundance of timed doors that are the worst kind of challenge in any game.

[Anonymous No.3990626]

Rare Lara.

[Anonymous No.3991257]

>>3961098

Dude, you're a fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.3991269]

>>3990626

R A R E
A
R
E

[Anonymous No.3991289]

>>3990626
what a fuck ugly whore

[Anonymous No.3992219]

>>3990626
I will stick to in-game Lara, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3992235]

>>3991289

Take your shitposting somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.3992239]

>>3992235
Ehhh I think she legit looks like shit.Not him btw.

[Anonymous No.3992284]

>>3992239

To a mid-90's teen desperate for something (anything) to fap to, she was Eve herself.

[Anonymous No.3992328]

>>3991289
>>3992219
Fags.