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Anonymous Sat Apr 29 22:47:39 2017 No.3957609 [Reply] [Original]

Do people really complain about the PSX having full-screen dithering?

I find it Charming

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 29 22:49:39 2017 No.3957615 >>3957609 >Charming Just emulate without dithering, with 32 bit colors...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 29 22:51:08 2017 No.3957618 COME ON BABY! COME ON BABY!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 29 22:53:05 2017 No.3957623 >>3957609 There wasn't a 3D chip back then that didn't use dithering. 32-bit rendering didn't come viable until later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 29 22:55:17 2017 No.3957626 >>3957609 PS dithering is awesome as long as your output is 1:1 and not stretched so the pattern doesn't look uneven and deformed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 29 23:51:30 2017 No.3957716 I've never had a problem with dithering. Never noticed it on console+CRT and it never really bothered me when emulating.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 29 23:55:59 2017 No.3957721 >>3957609 GT1 sucks. Play GT2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 02:01:47 2017 No.3957910 I honestly like all the PSX graphical artifacts some games like Tenchu or Silent Hill used the grittiness to great effect

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 02:04:25 2017 No.3957915 >>3957910 The peculiarities of PSX rendering grew on me the longer I played. I now love them as much as any N64 tex blurring or trifilter.

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 02:35:45 2017 No.3957941

>>3957609
People who didn't main one during the 5th gen complain about it. That includes people who just weren't there.

When emulated it looks loose and disjointed, and LCDs make the overall image look like a pixelated mosaic. A real PS1 on any typical '90s consumer TV makes the dithering look smooth and motion blurred.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 02:48:57 2017 No.3957956 >>3957941 Then how come I'm enjoying every minute of emulating it today? I was too poor to afford one in its heyday; according to you I shouldn't find anything good to say about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 04:14:54 2017 No.3958042 Even back in the day i noticed the dithering on Silent Hill on an extremely bad CRT hooked up with an RF lead. I don't understand how people couldn't notice it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 04:54:21 2017 No.3958081 >>3957609 At least it had proper transparency effects.

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 07:31:26 2017 No.3958228
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>>3957609
full-screen dithering is absolutely disgusting, especially in dark scenes or scenes with many lighting effects

but there are much worse effects out there, chromatic aberration is modern games is an example

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 08:29:38 2017 No.3958293
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>>3957615
16-bit assets wont magically become 32bit because of the changed render. And without dithering game color palette will be pretty washed out.

>>3957910
This.
Though proper anti-dithering filter wouldnt hurt

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 09:02:03 2017 No.3958331

>>3957609
PS1 actually does support 24 bit -> 16 bit dither filtering. It's just that games like Gran Turismo use a framebuffer that is even smaller than that, hence the copious dithering. The console also supports true 24 bit color mode, but only in 2D.

N64's dither filtering is more aggressive at removing banding than PS1, but it also results in more blur (arguably it causes more blur to the image than anything else). However, the console supports true 24 bit color in 3D, but only one 3D game used it - Quake 2.

Virtually every single Dreamcast game had a dither filtered 16 bit framebuffer, but the console's dither filtering was some of the best ever implemented. Effective at removing banding like N64's but without the blur side effect, and it also did alpha dithering better than other consoles, even newer ones like GameCube, cause the DC always internally worked on 8 bit alpha.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 09:16:15 2017 No.3958342 File: 32 KB, 640x400, uhxdt0U.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Real dithering coming through, don't touch me plebs

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 09:25:42 2017 No.3958351

>>3957609
>Do people really complain about the PSX having full-screen dithering?

No, because people at the time played on CRTs with composite cable, and dithering was not visible on that. The people who had access to RGB Scart were just jazzing over how good it looks compared to composite, and how good it looks compared to anything else anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 09:37:12 2017 No.3958364 >>3958351 But 16bit color without dithering looks shit

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 09:53:41 2017 No.3958395
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Even later and more powerful consoles use dither, GameCube and PSP for example. Thankfully, the higher resolutions help to hide it better.

>>3958342
It's not exactly the same thing, though. 16-bit games used dither as way to improve shading and gradients with limited color palettes and sub-palettes, it's an artistic approach.

PS1-style dither is a much more agressive automatic process and it's usually done to save VRAM.

Anonymous Sun Apr 30 14:31:12 2017 No.3958925

>>3958228
The top picture looks better. The bottom is higher-res and lacks dithering but the colors are off and the headlight lighting effects are totally fucked.

This is like arguing that filters like HQ3X are better because they're smoother, even though they're less accurate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 15:05:58 2017 No.3958998 >>3957609 Thanks to certain Japanese porn game machines I find dithering arousing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 15:09:12 2017 No.3959004 >>3957618 Royal Canadian Blended, the spicy aroma hath mended me!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 30 23:56:07 2017 No.3960257 File: 90 KB, 615x593, 1377556283394.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3958228

>>	Anonymous Mon May 1 00:04:46 2017 No.3960274 the dithering in spyro looked like the texture of a canvas

>>	Anonymous Mon May 1 15:31:28 2017 No.3961759 >>3960274 This is another good thing about dithering. It can add a certain textured look to surfaces. This isn't great in every game, but it works very well in some.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 1 20:19:49 2017 No.3962443 File: 96 KB, 602x618, 1488098401297.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Que?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 1 20:32:12 2017 No.3962456 File: 20 KB, 250x250, TN_Burning_Road_pal-front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3957609 Burning Road is the shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 1 21:47:02 2017 No.3962619 >as heaven is wide intensifies

>>	Anonymous Tue May 2 00:52:49 2017 No.3963006 >>3962443 It this for real? I had a launch PlayStation and I don't recall having that kind of banding in Tomb Raider.

Anonymous Tue May 2 18:07:31 2017 No.3964717

>>3958395
current game engines use dithering, deferred rendering require it for transparency. dithering is not a bad thing, it depends how its used. aka. the vent in MGS1, it looks dark, but its actually just a dithered black mask over the screen to emulate darkness in a game with no real time lighting

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