70s-90s Retro Computer General

[Anonymous No.3938159]

AESTHETIC edition

Helpful Links : http://pastebin.com/UdmipND6

Welcome to the 70s to early 90s Computer Gaming General. We talk about games and the hardware they were made for, either micro, mini or mainframe computers, desktop, tower or all in keyboard package, from Japan, the US, Europe, or anywhere, if the platform came out before 1999.

Don't hesitate to share tips, your past (or present) experiences, your new machines, your already existing collection, emulation & hardware advises, as well as shots, ads & flyers, videos, interviews, musics, photos, that kind of stuff.

Allowed : Computers made from the 70s to Windows 98 and their games (of course), peripherals for these computers from any time period (MIDI expanders included)
Tolerated : Unknown, unsupported or not really popular stuff (BeOS, old Linux, stuff like that).
Discouraged: Europe vs America shitposting

IRC Channel : #/g/retro @ irc.rizon.net

[Anonymous No.3938194]

Have you ever felt sad you were too young/not yet born to experience the golden age of personal computing just to remember your country was a communist shithole and all that joy would have been denied to you anyway

[Anonymous No.3938217]

>>3938194
No?

[Anonymous No.3938219]

>>3938194
Yes except the last part. But then I remember that it's not so bad because I'll live long enough to see some crazy shit that I wouldn't had I been born 20-30 years earlier.

Anyways, I got a stupid question for you guys. Would a Duron be suitable for DOS gaming? I tried it out with 98SE and it seemed to work fine for that but I'm worried it might be a bit fast for DOS. Can't remember the specific model but I think it's an applebred.

[Anonymous No.3938240]

>>3938194
Didn't eastern europe had clones of western machines left and right?

[Anonymous No.3938247]

>>3938159
Man, that artist is so based. Though I don't agree with ALL of their ideas they can still make some pretty cool crap.

[下げる No.3938254]

>>3938159
>tumblr faggot art

Sayj.

[Anonymous No.3938298]

>>3938247
>>3938254
What's the deal with Arne?

[Anonymous No.3938330]

Best computer coming through

[Anonymous No.3938517]

>>3938240
>western
Yes.
Japanese? No.

[Anonymous No.3938579]

>>3938159
Didn't expect that thread to come back. I hope it won't become the shitshow it became last summer.
Anyway,
>Not posting the REAL Gallforce Hit-Bit MSX ad
>>3938219
Games made for 386 and later won't have speed issues, and older titles would have had speed issues with a 486 anyway. If you're planning to go full DOS, you'll need a compatible soundcard , and a good one cause some that have SoundBlaster 16 compatibility can cause games to malfunction (SoundBlaster Live! and some Yamaha PCI cards for example). Personally I had the best experience with an Ensoniq audioPCI card on a Pentium III machine I used for DOS uses untill I fixed my 486.

[Anonymous No.3938715]

>>3938579
I doubt I'll go full DOS considering 98SE can just boot into DOS. As for a soundcard it just so happens that I have an ensoniq audiopci laying around and some other similar cards of the era, so I doubt that will be an issue. Thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.3939293]

>>3938579
what happened last summer?

[Anonymous No.3939323]

>>3939293
Some heavy shitposting at first with the dude pretending real hard to be a huge weeaboo and the naruto avatarfag, then spergs from /g/ alway talking about the 2~3 same subjects all the time and ignoring vidya-related discussion, some newfag spamming ebay links and lemon64 screenshots, another one trying so hard to fit in using the same spongebob reaction pics, stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.3939387]

>>3939323
All boards really need to implement thread-specific IDs.

[Anonymous No.3939562]

PEACHUP has good music and lewd you will enjoy. Disc Station is also pretty sweet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhRLnZEMio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ALUoeI0qZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guUVihIYBy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glOmggyd1dg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xPDm3A83Ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-Zofz_A8Q

[Anonymous No.3939585]

>>3938579
Gal Force mecha design is god tier

[Anonymous No.3939836]

>>3939323

[Anonymous No.3940530]

>>3938159
why the forced art?

[Anonymous No.3940802]

>>3939562
>includes Momoko's pure panties
Was this the first game to include a character's underwear in the box?

[Anonymous No.3940831]

>tfw the msx3 never existed
Kill me

[Anonymous No.3940837]

>>3939562
The girl on that cover is qt.
>>3939585
Agreed.
>>3940831
The Turbo-R came out instead, and was far from being a success compared to it's predecessors.

[Anonymous No.3940864]

>>3940802

No, because Japan existed before that game.

[Anonymous No.3940941]

>>3940802
"Screen Cleaner" kek

[Anonymous No.3941227]

What are /vr/ thoughts on vapourwave aesthetics? Asking because finally got a (shit) crt from a shop that upgraded after 17 years. Was thinking of doing some spray painting over it to have that kind of feel.

[Anonymous No.3941234]

>>3941227
>What are /vr/ thoughts on vapourwave aesthetics?
It's pure garbage. Actual 80s/90s stuff looks way better.
>Was thinking of doing some spray painting over it to have that kind of feel.
That idea is equally bad.

Why are you asking that question in this thread specificially?

[Anonymous No.3941242]

>>3941227
You want to spray paint a tv pink is that what you're saying?

[Anonymous No.3941773]

first for Siberian super kit madness

[Anonymous No.3941797]

>>3938330
Those keyboards look mushy as fuck

[Anonymous No.3941816]

>>3941773
>Aleste
Can it run the game too?

[Anonymous No.3941838]

>>3940802
Absolute degenerates

[Anonymous No.3941885]

>>3939585
>Yeah, I'm Big Boss. And so are you.

[Anonymous No.3942591]

IT LIVES.

I picked up an Atari 600XL a while back for about 50 syrup bucks. Is SD2SIO the best way to go about loading floppy images? I also found out by opening up the machine that someone back in the day upgraded it to 64K with a Applied Engineering daughterboard, but the ?FRE(0) command only shows 37K. Anyone have any idea what's going on?

[Anonymous No.3942814]

>>3942591
>I also found out by opening up the machine that someone back in the day upgraded it to 64K with a Applied Engineering daughterboard, but the ?FRE(0) command only shows 37K. Anyone have any idea what's going on?
Ded chips maybe?
Anyway, you better post some pics of it running ballblazer or something.

[Anonymous No.3942961]

>>3942814
unless you got the entire thing in BASIC, that's a no go. I don't have any games or software carts, just Atari BASIC Version C.

[Anonymous No.3942978]

>>3942961
>>3942814
addendum:
I thought there were dead chips too, but I ran the self diagnostic built into the ROM and everything checks out okay, which is worrying. The reason being that I counted 16 4kB static RAM chips on the board.

[Anonymous No.3943019]

Which old Japanese computers are your favorites?

I've always been partial to this beauty.

[Anonymous No.3943074]

>>3938517
I was under the impression that the MSX (or at least clones) was pretty popular in Eastern Europe.

[Anonymous No.3944173]

>>3943074
>(or at least clones)
You can't really make clones of a computer standard that was a standard to begin with (unlike IBM PC compatibles that only made IBM PC compatibility a "standard" because everyone started to imitate it). But yeah, they did have quite a lot of MSX machines in the USSR.
>>3943019
Sharp X1 and X68k computers really are nice looking machines.
>>3942961
>>3942978
>not typing the whole game in hexadecimal from the BASIC interpreter using DATA instructions then running it
Well anyway, at least it's a good news to know that the board's not dead.

[Anonymous No.3944203]

>>3941227
I can't believe you had the balls to ask these questions on /vr/. you better not fuck up a crt for a mid-2000s tumblr meme that's not even cool anymore. seriously, do not fucking do that shit.

[Anonymous No.3944620]

>>3944203
>mid-2000s

confirmed for not knowing what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.3944759]

>>3943019
for games the MSX and the X68000
the other computers make games too choppy

for the aesthetics this one

[Anonymous No.3945185]

>>3944173
I mean, I could type the whole thing in, but the keyboard is kinda a bitch to type on. The keys are way too resistant to pressure and require way more force than necessary. I'll look for someone's ancient pirated copy of ball blazers written in BASIC or something anyways.

[Anonymous No.3945231]

>>3938330
>tfw been on a really early Sega machine kick lately, so I've been into loads of SG-1000 games
>tfw I kind of want to get an SC-3000
the only thing stopping me is that the MSX is the same machine but better in every single fucking way, from sound, to RAM, to support

[Anonymous No.3946016]

>>3944620
>giving a fuck about tumblr memes
confirmed for being a tumblrbabby

[Anonymous No.3946392]

Computers were in competition and constantly changing back in the early-mid 90s, right? I know every fucking game I try to emulate, I have to set up with different DOSbox settings, anyway.

So no matter what retro computer I get, I'll only be able to play a small percentage of the games even from its era, right?

What would be the ULTIMATE retro gaming PC?

[Anonymous No.3946454]

>>3945231
You can play every SC-3000 software on an SG-1000 or Sega Mark III if you have the SK-1100 keyboard.

[Anonymous No.3946578]

>>3945185
Well I posted it as a joke to begin with but yeah, trying to find some type-in games on old magazine scans and the likes isn't a bad idea.
>>3944759
The FM-77AV is pretty, but to be fair I find that monitor to be sexier than the computer itself.

[Anonymous No.3947929]

>>3946392
>What would be the ULTIMATE retro gaming PC?
For DOS gaming socket 7 build is IMO the best option. Something like early Pentium/K6 CPU, S3 trio/Virge graphics card, 16-32 megs of ram, SB16/32 sound card.
For general late 90s gaming - slot-1 build. Motherboard with 440bx chipset (Asus, Abit, Chaintech), wide range of CPUs form early celeron to 1GHz PIII (or even 1.4 tualatin PIII if you soldering skills high enough), 256mb ram, GF256 is the ultimate card (because everything above 1999 NOT_RETRO) + Voodoo2 12mb SLI setup, Vortex2 sound car, 3Com network adapter (optional).
Also, I know Athlon was a thing in 1999 and was faster than PIII, but working on early athlon rigs is a giant pain in the arse (glitchy drivers, high temps, fragile CPU die, +5V rail heavy).

[Anonymous No.3948139]

>>3947929
early athlon used cartridge cpu package like the p3

[Anonymous No.3948161]

>>3941773
this thing is a clone of what?

[Anonymous No.3948189]

>>3938254
>hating on Arne

[Anonymous No.3948212]

>>3946578
http://www.vintage-basic.net/games.html
I'm really tempted to try out star trek, but the amount of lines that need to be entered is scaring me

[Anonymous No.3948306]

So, what's the general thoughts on the Sinclair ZX81/Timex 1000? It seems like the cheapest computer I can get that I can poke around in BASIC on, and they're kind of charming and small. I'm about to pull the trigger on one, but I was wondering if anyone has any fond/not fond memories? I've come to terms with the membrane keyboard.

[Anonymous No.3948309]

>>3948306
There's clone kits for the Spectrum available, try one of those maybe.

[Anonymous No.3948314]

>>3948309
Thanks, anon, I didn't know that. While those look badass, I have the opportunity to get a boxed Timex 1000 and 16kb RAM pak for around $50 shipped. I'm basically math illiterate, and think that goofing off in BASIC on a period machine might be good exercise. I don't want to spend too much and then put it away forever, but if I end up getting into it I would certainly be down to upgrade to a real speccy or an Atari, etc.

[Anonymous No.3948380]

>>3948139
My bad. Completely forgot about them.

[Anonymous No.3949947]

>>3948212
You know what's left to do m8.

[Anonymous No.3951639]

>>3948161
It's an Amstrad CPC clone apparently, and even though it ran MSX-DOS, you can't play Aleste on the Aleste.

[Anonymous No.3953660]

Anyone still have games they wrote when they were kids?
I made stuff on my Atari 800 in BASIC in the 80s but I lost it all over the years.

[Anonymous No.3953709]

>>3938194
Sorry polandball, I am singapoor and killed commies for le CIA USA Illumanti NWO in the 80s!

[Anonymous No.3953712]

>>3953660
I made a "game" which printlined lewd sentences with the names of my female classmates each time I press spacebar if that counts.

[Anonymous No.3954452]

>>3939562
>Peach Up Special II (Momonoki House, 1991) 003
Is this a scanned book I can find somewhere?

[Anonymous No.3954487]

>>3954452
That's a disk magazine.

[Anonymous No.3954973]

ZX manuals – covers by John Harris

[Anonymous No.3955714]

>>3954973
Looking good, looks like the kind of art you'd expect on new-age, progressive synth music or Fusion jazz album covers.

[Anonymous No.3956595]

>>3954973
>>3955714
More like sci fi novel covers
It blows my mind this is a book of BASIC programming

[Anonymous No.3956687]

>>3938194
well tiped

[Anonymous No.3956693]

I wish I could just replicate it for my pc case.

[Anonymous No.3956771]

>>3956693
Is that yours? It's pretty sweet.

[Anonymous No.3956786]

>>3956771
It's a pic that've been floating around for quite some years.

[Anonymous No.3956818]

>>3938194
It's not like the other end of the spectrum is any better
>don't grow up with Star Trek like other tech/science people in any other country because Star Trek was banned for being communist propaganda
>mfw

[Anonymous No.3956901]

>>3956693
Just noticed how slim the case actually is for it to have 3"1/2 drives take almost all the place horizontaly.
But yeah, that vertical CD drive on the front panel makes it sexy as hell.

[Anonymous No.3957630]

>>3956595
>sci-fi novel covers

"John Harris (born 29 July 1948 in London, England) is a British artist and illustrator, known for working in the science fiction genre. His paintings have been used on book covers for many authors, including Orson Scott Card, Arthur C Clarke, Isaac Asimov, Frederik Pohl, Ben Bova, Wilbur Smith, Jack Vance and John Scalzi."

[Anonymous No.3958127]

[Anonymous No.3958156]

>>3958127
>EVO
Pretty sure the name of the PC-98 title isn't EVO. Is that a hack?
Also, the LCD used on the PC-98DO looks kinda crappy. A couple of NEC KD displays would have looked better imo.

[Anonymous No.3958163]

>>3938159
If this were real I would totally develop games for it. Is the main problem with this sort of thing that nobody would develop software for it?

[Anonymous No.3958171]

>>3958163
Far from it, even after hardware manufacturers stopped making MSX computers by 1993, there were still a pretty sizeable community both in Japan and Netherland making new content.

[Anonymous No.3958815]

>>3958163
I will like to design my own 8 bit computer and make games for it but the project is still too complicated for me.

[Anonymous No.3958851]

>>3958156
fan tl

[Anonymous No.3959903]

>>3958815
why not start by building your own z80 homebrew computer? plenty of resources out there to help you with it. You could also try your hand at building a 6502 computer.

[Anonymous No.3959947]

I would have killed for an Amiga or X68000. Unfortunately, by the time they came out Apple and IBM clones had the US market. Atari 400/800/XL/XE and Commodore 64 were the closest we had to gaming computers. Games on Macs and IBM compatibles were absolute dogshit.

[Anonymous No.3959967]

>>3958163
Raspberry Pi and Arduino/Gameduino exist. Why not develop games for them?

[Anonymous No.3960012]

>>3958163
If it were made by Sony you know it would have some special snowflake proporietary media format which would probably hurt development.

[Anonymous No.3960135]

>>3959903
Not enough experience with electronics or programming on the first place.

>>3959967
Too high level

[Anonymous No.3960142]

>>3960135
a z80 homebuilt computer is pretty much the perfect starting place for a beginner that knows nothing about electronics or programming. You don't even need to know how to solder, cause you can breadboard a z80 computer.

[Anonymous No.3960194]

>>3960142
Sounds sweet.
Where do I start?

[Anonymous No.3960196]

>>3960194
http://www.z80.info/homebrew.htm
this is probably the best resource on getting into homebuilt z80s, ranging from absolute beginners to advanced. You'll still need to source components yourself though.

[Anonymous No.3960273]

>>3960196
Dunno how the homebrew section can help me but the other info on the page about the architecture may come handy

[Anonymous No.3960278]

>>3960273
the nice thing about the z80. It's very well documented, due to how many applications it found itself being used for over the years, even today. There's so many tutorials and guides on how to program it and how the z80 actually works internally available on the Internet.

[Anonymous No.3960280]

>>3960135
>not enough experience
>too high level
Pick one

[Anonymous No.3960509]

>>3959947
Well the x68000 is a Japan-only machine
>>3960012
Talk about spouting things with your ass. Sony already made MSX machines with none of the shit you've said. Instead they tried to push that format that everyone else ended up using too, you know, 3"1/2 floppies. Keep your /v/ shit in /v/.

[Anonymous No.3960515]

>>3960509
Amiga was basically a European only machine. I'm sure they tried to sell them in the US, but good luck explaining to your dad why a 68k machine is better than a 386.

[Anonymous No.3960519]

>>3960515
It did sell in the US, mostly 2000 and 3000 machines, because of expansions that allowed it to have it's onw niche market in the US. Quite a few video producing studios used them because of the video editing and 3D modelling stuff released on it.

[Anonymous No.3960530]

>>3960519
Had Apple not released the Macintosh, I'm sure the Amiga would have done well in the US. Apple had the AV market wrapped up until Adobe and Macromedia went multi platform. SGI had the 3d market even though there were some quality 3d modelers on MacOS. People were too strongly pro USA back then. I know Commodore 64 was popular as fuck across the world, but I only ever knew one person who had one growing up.

[Anonymous No.3960571]

>>3960530
>>3960515
It still had some kind of following, the American Amiga community was far from being inexistent, and American game companies did release games on this platform until the early 90s.
The x68000 in comparison wasn't even sold in there, hell you wouldn't even know about it unless you were importing japanese computer magazines.

[Anonymous No.3960646]

>>3960509

[Anonymous No.3960656]

>>3960646
And what does it have to do with sony making MSX stuff?

[Anonymous No.3960669]

>>3960656
Nothing. It has to do with Sony making proprietary formats.

[Anonymous No.3960672]

>>3960669
Okay you're just retarded and just feel the need to post shit that doesn't have anything to do with that thread then.

[Anonymous No.3962414]

>>3938579
>Didn't expect that thread to come back. I hope it won't become the shitshow it became last summer.
Dude, the the threads where still up daily less then three months ago

[Anonymous No.3962419]

Holy shit these threads are ass like always, thank God at least /g/ now has a permanent /retro/ general again.

[Anonymous No.3962431]

>>3938159
>Tolerated : Unknown, unsupported or not really popular stuff
why? then you say no EU vs US shiposting, while rules like that will obiously support such shit with the board being 90% US

[Anonymous No.3962706]

>>3962419
>thank God at least /g/ now has a permanent /retro/ general again.
Is it sperg general with everything resolving around C64 chips and powersupply and a dude spamming ebay links? Cause that's all I recall when I think about /g/ anons coming here for the retro thread.

[Anonymous No.3962750]

>>3962414
>Dude, the the threads where still up daily less then three months ago
Last time I checked the threads died in october/november 2016. See how OP didn't include the last thread's link.
>>3962431
Because it's only tolerated, it ain't accepted as the main subject of the thread. Actually the ruleset have been mangled since last year's /g/ & newfag's appearance, Post-95 shit isn't "Not allowed", EU vs US shitposting either, and now for some reason Win98 shit is allowed while it wasn't before.
>then you say no EU vs US shiposting, while rules like that will obiously support such shit with the board being 90% US
Except it doesn't and never did, and such shit was usually cleaned quickly in the rare occasions it did occur. Not every US posters are on the lookout for that kind of shit, most of the time it's only a handful of shitposters .

[Anonymous No.3963280]

>>3962706
>Is it sperg general with everything resolving around C64 chips and powersupply and a dude spamming ebay links?
Nah, that shit's only on /vr/, C64 isn't that common there, /g/'s retro threads are about actual computer instead of whiny faggots crying why nobody talks about games in a computer general.

[Anonymous No.3963292]

>>3962750
didn't /g/ get a new /retro/ going in spring 2016? because /g/ was mostly here in 2014-2015 when there where no /retro/ threads in /g/

[Anonymous No.3963358]

>>3939562
>>3939585
>>3943019
>>3944759
>>3956693
>>3958127
What's up with all that weeb shit?

[Anonymous No.3964125]

>>3963280
>>3963358
I see that the cancer came back. Well, time for the thread to die again.
>whiny faggots crying why nobody talks about games in a computer general.
Maybe because that's a computer GAMING thread on a video game board you mongoloid?

[Anonymous No.3964146]

>>3963292
Some of the bad elements of these threads admited coming from /g/ because they didn't like the /retro/ thread and prefered shitting up this place. Maybe not all /g/ anons are like this, but the one that have been the more vocal for the last year have been a cancer to this thread.
Anyway, time to post some more nip stuff, they're irrationally triggered by this.

[Anonymous No.3964171]

>>3964146
/g/ is a pretty terrible board. It's nothing but shilling, shitposting and brand wars. Basically /v/ only slightly more technical in nature.

[Anonymous No.3964171,1]

good thing the mods banned the only anon on /vr/ capable of using the report button, can't let the non-/v/ and non-/pol/ enjoy things ever

[Anonymous No.3965208]

>>3964125
>Maybe because that's a computer GAMING thread on a video game board you mongoloid?
>We talk about games and the hardware they were made for, either micro, mini or mainframe computers, desktop, tower or all in keyboard package, from Japan, the US, Europe, or anywhere, if the platform came out before 1999.
>Allowed : Computers made from the 70s
Have fun talking about mainframe games from the 70's then

[Anonymous No.3965313]

>>3964146
>Anyway, time to post some more nip stuff, they're irrationally triggered by this.
I don't even browse /g/, I just find it funny that you people worship weeb shit, you don't even have those machine yourself, nor did you have them in your childhood and everything else is automatically shit for you

[Anonymous No.3965315]

>>3965313
Kek, you're just buttblasted because we Americans always had first party Japanese games that are superior to your 3rd world shit in every way, go back jerking off to your spectrums and amigas that are toys compared to the Japanese machines.

[Anonymous No.3965316]

>>3965315
>Japanese machines
>Better then Amiga's
Bitch please

[Anonymous No.3965318]

>>3965313
>>3965315
>'Murica got cucked so hard by the japanese market they still suck their dick

[Anonymous No.3965320]

>>3965318
That's only because they never had their own gaming market. They also hate everything else that isn't their nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.3965327]

>>3964146
>Some of the bad elements of these threads admitted** coming from /g/ because they didn't like the /retro/ thread and prefered shitting up this place.
Wut, this is literary /g/ retro but 100x slower and 10x more circlejerk, but about things you don't even own or understand. You don't even see any games or talk about them, at least talk about the hardware instead, better than jerking off to pictures.

[Anonymous No.3965330]

>>3965327
fuck off yuropoor, go to /vr/ front page, what do you see? this is a weeb site to begin with

[Anonymous No.3965335]

>>3964125
>I see that the cancer came back.
What cancer? Did someone ruin your safe zone?
4chan isn't your safe zone you know, why can't you do a proper discussion instead of "stop calling things I like shit!"

[Anonymous No.3965339]

>>3965315
>spectrums and amigas
What's wrong with the Speccy or Amiga? I never called your things anything bad, now you are just as retarded as any other shitposter.

[Anonymous No.3965342]

>>3965339
topkek, you serious? please just leave

[Anonymous No.3965372]

>>3965208
Are people really this ignorant of computer history?

[Anonymous No.3965390]

>>3965339
Just report and ignore blatant shitposting. Especially that one redditard you can easily spot with his spongebob and south park reaction pics.
Amigas are good machine, and Nips produced some good computers too. This thread aint about nostalgia or shit like that, it's about old computers & their games.
>>3965327
>at least talk about the hardware instead
What about you talk about hardware on the /g/ thread where it actually belongs and leave these threads for good?

[Anonymous No.3965402]

>>3965390
>This thread aint about nostalgia
But you didn't own a x68k as a kid

[Anonymous No.3965416]

Time to post some more nip stuff to trigger those cancerous scum.

[Anonymous No.3965417]

>>3965402
Not as a kid, I mean now*

[Anonymous No.3965424]

>>3965416
>trigger
You seem like the one who's getting triggered by all this

[Anonymous No.3965425]

>>3965416
>Look at me, I'm American and suck Japans cock, I bet this triggers you
Bitch please

[Anonymous No.3965429]

>>3965372
>Are people really this ignorant of computer history?
Matter of fact, no, but I don't see any here though. So why bring it up in OPs post if people get mad when you talk about it?

[Anonymous No.3965430]

>>3965425
>>3965424
Like a clockwork.

[Anonymous No.3965434]

>>3965416
>>3965430
>implying I don't own a PC-98

[Anonymous No.3965437]

>>3965416
>cancerous scum.
>wants 4chan to be hes safezone
>calls other cancer
back to plebbit with you

[Anonymous No.3965443]

>>3962706
>Is it sperg general
Why are you bashing on /g/ now? Then you cry that people shitpost in your general.

[Anonymous No.3965457]

>>3965437
>h-he called me cancer!
That's because that's what you are maybe.
>b-back to plebbit!
Too bad that's how we alway called your kind after you started coming here.

[Anonymous No.3965470]

>>3965457
>he thinks hes talking to one person

[Anonymous No.3965471]

>>3965457
What are you talking about, I haven't said anything in hours except that I noticed "cancerous scum" and wanted to call you out on that because it's newfag tier shit. I also don't browse /g/ you pleb.

[Anonymous No.3965474]

>>3965457
>your kind
what kind?

[Anonymous No.3965480]

>>3965339
>What's wrong with the Speccy or Amiga?
They are fucking toys compared to nip machines like the X68000, just leave you cancerous faggot and go talk about your toys on /g/ if you wish.

[Anonymous No.3965481]

>>3965480
Ignorant much?

[Anonymous No.3965558]

>>3965429
The post I responded to was either written by a retard or a shitposter. There's obviously more to 70's computers than mainframes, I don't understand why the poster brought them up or why you even responded to me.

[Anonymous No.3965574]

>>3965558
read OPs post

[Anonymous No.3965575]

>>3965558
Yeah, but OP brought out mainframes and not him, there really isn't any games on microcomputers until the early/mid 80's.
I guess when people would talk about computers from that period it won't be about games and that makes most people here mad, so why even include it as "allowed".

[Anonymous No.3965592]

Just stop shitposting guys, it ain't that hard.

Anyone got any recommendations what you could play on a Z80 CP/M machine with 64k RAM and 52x24 character screen? I guess the screen size limits it quite much, probably only text based games and no games like Ladder? I can't try it right now so I tought I'll ask.

[Anonymous No.3965601]

>>3965575
The Apple II, TRS-80 and Commodore PET all had games. Sure game development was very late 70's to early 80's, but the computers are still 70's microcomputers so it's important to recognize the decade.

[Anonymous No.3965716]

I'm also not sure why it matters whether we owned any of the Japanese computers from the time period. They're retro computers with retro games on them, which makes them of interest in general. Also the fact that we've never heard of or played them before now makes them even more interesting. Not sure why that's hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.3965729]

>>3965716
But you lack any inside knowledge of the machines, you like them for the sake of being Japanese and running Japanese games, or even worse, you like them for the sake of being retro, which is called being a hipster and disliked by anyone who actually takes those things seriously, not to make things worse, then you start calling out anons from /g/ who usually are much more educated on such machines in the first place and not just weaboos or hipsters, it's a shitstorm waiting to happen and always does

[Anonymous No.3965730]

>>3965716
Just kind of stupid when it's just circlejerking off to pictures of things you don't even own or know much of anything about.

[Anonymous No.3965737]

>>3964171
I dislike /g/ too mostly, but /vr/ is the same shit, mostly retro console wars and EUR VS USA shitposting, not to mention most people here with big mouth actually don't know shit what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.3965765]

>>3965730
>>3965729
This was my first post in this thread, so telling me I've called out people from /g/specifically or anywhere else is kind of just putting words in my mouth, you know? You're also telling me that I can't like things because the only way I'm allowed to like them is through nostalgia (growing up with them) or having extensive knowledge about them in general. All you're really doing is saying people can't take part in your hobby because they're not as into it as you which makes you come off as super childish.

I like the games on the PC-98 series of computers. I've played quite a few and enjoyed them. There's a lot of interesting titles that I'd never have enjoyed if I hadn't taken an interest in the system. Games are fun to play, who knew?

I'll also never own a real PC-98 because emulation is more convenient than having a massive brick sitting around in the little spare space that I have. That being said, I've been tinkering with all of the known emulators, contacting active developers for them as well as tools and other related software developers to report bugs and shit and try to in general do what I can to improve the scene.

But because I'm never own a real machine, that makes me not worthy of taking part in a hobby that I enjoy. I'm sorry I took an interest in the thing you like.

[Anonymous No.3965774]

>>3965765
>This was my first post in this thread, so telling me I've called out people from /g/specifically or anywhere else is kind of just putting words in my mouth, you know?
it wasn't specially about you but because you jumped in a ongoing discussion

[Anonymous No.3965775]

>>3965765
>But because I'm never own a real machine, that makes me not worthy of taking part in a hobby that I enjoy. I'm sorry I took an interest in the thing you like.
Good, now fuck off, this is for serious people only.

[Anonymous No.3965780]

>>3965765
nah, it's just called being an hipster and hipsters are cancer

[Anonymous No.3965782]

>>3965765
Don't feed the trolls.
Just post content. They hate this the most.

[Anonymous No.3965798]

>>3965775
>>3965780
Nah. I think I'll stay. I like these here old-fangled retro computers and their vintage games. Maybe I'll buy some hardware and games after all but never use them so they retain their intrinsic value.

>>3965782
Plan to do so. Just wanted to see how bad they'd get. They responded super quickly which is fun.

Speaking of games, for the PC-98, anyone ever have a chance to play Freewill - Knight of Argent? It's pretty fucking neat. Basic JRPG, but you can recruit into your party or kill practically any NPC in the game, including quest NPCs. The art style is also pretty solid.

[Anonymous No.3965805]

>>3965798
>Maybe I'll buy some hardware and games after all but never use them so they retain their intrinsic value.
They are made to be used though.
Don't step in the collector bucket. You don't buy them for their value like you buy gold.

[Anonymous No.3965806]

>>3965782
>>3965798
>They hate this the most.
>They responded super quickly which is fun.
>Anything I don't like is trolling or bait

[Anonymous No.3965809]

>>3965782
This. These threads are for posting content and discussion not criclejerking to random Nip computers.

[Anonymous No.3965812]

>>3965805
I agree, they deserve a proper retirement.

[Anonymous No.3965827]

>>3965798
That art style reminds me a lot of an Amiga game I can't recall

[Anonymous No.3965869]

>>3965592
Holy shit, is that an actual Osborne 1?

[Anonymous No.3966048]

>>3965869
Yeah. Just a little something I have been working on.

[Anonymous No.3966049]

>>3966048
Those things are fucking rare and expensive, nice

[Anonymous No.3966052]

>>3966049
They actually made quite a lot of them, so I wouldn't say they are that rare, depends where you are mostly, also don't let JewBay prices fool you, just because some reseller thinks it's expensive and hipsters fall for it, dosen't make it so.

[Anonymous No.3966056]

>>3966048
no keyboard/cover?

[Anonymous No.3966057]

>>3966056
If you would actually look the keyboard is taken apart and the bottom part is not on the picture.

[Anonymous No.3966738]

>>3965592
Star Trek, Zork and Adventures?
>>3965729
>But you lack any inside knowledge of the machines
Except the specs of japanese machines are usually well known and their buses documented (and all that stuff translated).
>>3966049
>Those things are fucking rare
They're not. They're a mass-produced computer and had some success in their early years.
>>3965798
>Freewill - Knight of Argent
No, don't know about that game. The concept seems pretty fun, I'll give it a try one day.

Anyway, seems like there's a port of Time Gal for AGA Amiga models:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGziGepmwfk
The video's kinda blury compared to the arcade and Mega-LD versions, but still, the game's still nice to watch.

[Anonymous No.3967064]

What's the cheapest I could reasonably set up a socket 7 build for all my DOS gaming needs?

[Anonymous No.3967806]

>>3967064
I have no idea where you are and what prices are there, here I could locally get all the parts for probably less then 20 bucks.

[Anonymous No.3967891]

>>3967064
For the base system itself you can recover it for free or a very little price. The rest is up to where you supply yourself (you can find stuff like an S3 Virge for 7 bucks, or an SB 16 for 6 bucks).

[Anonymous No.3967901]

>>3967891
Isn't a SB16 a little too old for a Socket7 build? A AWE64 would probably do better.

[Anonymous No.3968230]

Were old PC games that cam in cartridges, cassette or floppies able to save like console games with a battery?

[Anonymous No.3968242]

>>3968230
Floppy or cassette tapes just saved on the same medium if they had a save function, like some tape and PC booter floppy games saved the highscore, other floppy games saved your progress straight on the floppy, like on the Amiga mostly. I don't think there are any cartridge games that saved though for microcomputers (ZX, C64, PCjr).

[Anonymous No.3968269]

>>3968230
AFAIK Atari carts and tapes couldn't be written to. If you made a program in BASIC, or you wrote some text, you could save it on 5.25" floppy or print to dot matrix printer with a box of this laying on the floor. Many worthless Borderbrund Printshop banners were printed on this.

[Anonymous No.3968274]

>>3968230
starfire is such a cumslut

[Anonymous No.3968280]

>>3968269
Looking at the tape deck, it had a record button. I guess I should say the option to save games never came up on the few tape games that we had.

[Anonymous No.3968386]

>>3963358
>>>/leddit/

[Anonymous No.3968707]

>>3968386
reddit is full of that shit

[Anonymous No.3969124]

>>3968230
>cartridges
Most of the time they didn't have a save feature cause they were pretty small, but some MSX carts like Xanadu, Dragon quest and the likes.
>cassette and floppies
Many floppy games allowed you to use save disks to keep track of your progress, especially RPGs and Dungeon crawlers. You could technically save on a cassette tape, but I don't know if many games did allow that.

[Anonymous No.3969132]

>>3968230
>cartridges
Most of the time they didn't have a save feature cause they were pretty small, but some MSX carts like Xanadu, Dragon quest and other RPGs did have a save feature.
>cassette and floppies
Many floppy games allowed you to use save disks to keep track of your progress. You could technically save on a cassette tape, but I don't know if many games did allow that.

[Anonymous No.3970075]

Tell me about Apple Desktop Bus.

Does it have more input lag than PS/2 because it functions by polling rather than interrupt?

What conversion adapters exist for ADB?

Are ADB peripherals hard wired or do they have a mini-din port on the device (meaning you can substitute S-video cables)?

[Anonymous No.3970178]

>>3967901
If you've got a waveblaster board or an external MIDI expander hooked on the Sound blaster 16 then no it won't be too old for a Socket7 build. There's also the Ensoniq soundscape way too, just be aware that some of the later models can have issues in a pure DOS environement, and that OPL2/3 is emulated on them, so it won't really sound that great when trying to play FM tunes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1QgzzHLRXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cKiz2ad5PA
Seeing that there are not that many games with good FM soundtrack on IBM PC & clones, it might not be that important to you though.

>>3970075
A quick search on google and you'd have the answer to your two last questions in no time.

[Anonymous No.3970197]

Are there any decent 90's Japanese computers that can be had for under $100?

[Anonymous No.3970212]

>>3970197
The computer itself won't be what will be expensive.

[Anonymous No.3970272]

>>3970212

Understandable, but my holy grail is an FM Towns, and I'm not going to be able to get one of those for a while, but I would really like to get some kind of Japanese computer for the time being to play with.

[Anonymous No.3970308]

>>3970075
>Does it have more input lag than PS/2 because it functions by polling rather than interrupt?
For keyboards? Theoretically yes, but in real world the differences are so small, you can't notice them, we are talking about sub-millisecond speeds.

[Anonymous No.3970320]

>>3970197
>>3970272
Does it have to be Japanese? I mean if you ask it to be ANY then you really don't care what games it has.

[Anonymous No.3971265]

why are western computers so inferior to japanese?

[Anonymous No.3971769]

>>3970272
When it comes to 90s nip machine, the 486-based PC-98 models and the PC-9821 series comes in mind when it comes to cheap and decent machines, so I guess you could try to emulate those at first (unless you're already emulating those and know which games you're willing to get).
Have you tried emulating the FM town too? Do you know which model you might get when you'll be able to?

[Anonymous No.3972757]

>>3968230
Small note on C64/128. Most single load games that supports saving also supports cassette (you can select device). For example Moonfall or Stunt Car Racer for game save and Rally Speedway for custom tracks saving. I've never used this myself but I believe it was important in UK when casettes were more popular.