/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3928396]

Do you appreciate Byuu's efforts in emulation?

[Anonymous No.3928402]

>>3928396
Yes.
That being said I wish he permanently lost that package of PAL games.

[Anonymous No.3928405]

>>3928402
Why wish for bad things to happen?

[Anonymous No.3928410]

>>3928405
Because he backed out on his original goal of 100% accurate SNES emulation.

[Anonymous No.3928432]

Is he a cuck?

[Anonymous No.3928532]

>>3928396
Byuu, is that you? If it is you then I wanna say thanks for Bsnes and Higan. It's cool stuff. I do think you're overreacting sometimes, though.

[Anonymous No.3928696]

his effots — yes, amazing work
him as a person — no, he's a turboautist :D::D:DD

[Anonymous No.3928714]

Is he autistic?

[Anonymous No.3928732]

>>3928396
not particularly, no. and the ROM hoarding he's doing so he can release hashes just so everyone knows only he has good ROMs is reprehensible.

[Anonymous No.3928792]

>>3928732
Fucking this.

Calling it a preservation project is a disgrace.

It would be like if I said "Send me all your books so I can preserve them" but then I only released their ISBNs.

[Anonymous No.3928825]

>>3928432
be wary with using words like that in /vr/, I've got banned from all boards for using "SJW" to describe an external organization not related to 4chan or any user here. It's incredible to see how low this board has fallen

[Anonymous No.3928831]

>>3928792
That's a great example, very succinct.
>>3928825
there's a containment board for a reason, hombre.

[Anonymous No.3928839]

>>3928825
It's not just /vr/, posting political comics on /co/ gets you banned too.

[Anonymous No.3928849]

>>3928831
>>3928839
I didn't post anything political, just stated that a somewhat well-known, games related organization, turned SJW a few years ago. I didn't even say it out of context, I was responding a user who wondered what felt different about them nowadays. I don't think that warrants suspension from ALL BOARDS. I mean, I'm pretty sure I can't talk in /pol/ about vidya stuff, so don't tell me about containment boards. This is pretty much stifling free-speech because there's not way I can't bring the matter in any board without being punished. Nowadays one feels like walking in eggshells because you don't know what will get you banned here.

I just wish that some other known imageboard had a somewhat active vr & sp boards so I could gtfo from this goon-moderated place

[Anonymous No.3928861]

>>3928825
I thought it was a valid question. Please, don't kick me.

[Anonymous No.3928870]

I'm not surprised of this >>/vr/thread/2456806..

[Anonymous No.3928918]

>>3928861
Serves you right for calling those games God-tier.

[Anonymous No.3928930]

>>3928825
>i got banned for acting like a shitposting little kid
What's the issue?

[Anonymous No.3928934]

>>3928930
>3 letter acronym is now shitposting
yeah because /vr/ is full of meaningful, adult discussion

[Anonymous No.3928941]

>>3928849
>just stated that a somewhat well-known, games related organization, turned SJW a few years ago.
No one cares. Really. Maybe people might care enough to have an opinion on /v/, so maybe just go back there and leave the idiotic /pol/ crap off this board.
>This is pretty much stifling free-speech
You don't have free speech here, or on any other private venue.

>>3928934
>yeah because /vr/ is full of meaningful, adult discussion
No, but it tries. It makes a pretty valiant effort despite people like you being here -- trying your very best to drag the discussion down into what you think is "board culture" with "le ebicc dank meemayz" and "le ironique funposting xD!". Or constantly trying to derail a topic into a shitflinging session about whatever "social justice" issue and/or group triggered you this week.

[Anonymous No.3928967]

>>3928941
Personally I'm really glad more Muslims and/or Africans immigrate to Western Europe. Either by dating white women, or just by directly raping them, they make sure less white males will be born.

[Anonymous No.3928995]

>>3928941
>No, but it tries. It makes a pretty valiant effort despite people like you being here

It really doesnt. Ive had my posts deleted while shit posts stay around all the time.

[Anonymous No.3929001]

>>3928396
Not really, no. Seems like no one but byuu ever benefits from his efforts.

[Anonymous No.3929023]

>>3929001
You get to emulate games better (more accurately).

[Anonymous No.3929025]

>>3928396
I don't know who's more autistic

Byuu
or >>3928432
>>3928532
>>3928696
>>3928714
>>3929001

[Anonymous No.3929132]

>>3929023
Yeah, with a poorly optimized emulation solution that uses what can best be described as, well, let's just call it a "custom" image format that I neither need nor want.

So what am I left with? His ROM preservation efforts? The ones that only benefit him, as he has absolutely no intention of releasing his "correctly" dumped titles?

[Anonymous No.3929143]

>>3929023
>muh accuracy

[Anonymous No.3929159]

>>3928396
we need more people like him. People who actually make great emulator.

[Anonymous No.3929174]

>>3928396
No, fuck his snowflake emulator. Snes9x all day.

[Anonymous No.3929178]

>>3929174
>not ZSNES
I mean i get it it has that emulator escape ACE exploit bug but come on

[Anonymous No.3929273]

Yes, but Higan's library system is retarded and bsnes should have never expanded beyond SNES emulation. No reason for it to reinvent the wheel by poorly emulating NES, Game Boy, and other systems.

[Anonymous No.3929304]

>>3928396

No. I don't follow him closely, but these threads always make him sound like a silly person who doesn't deserve a lot of respect. I use whatever emulator works well enough, and I know which one works well enough because either I've played the game before (so I can notice any significant errors), or I don't have enough interest in it to deeply care whether it's presented 100% accurately.

[Anonymous No.3929407]

>>3928402
Why are you wishing for things that already happened?

[Anonymous No.3929428]

>>3928396
He is an autistic moron, but with that said, he is still better than most of the MAMEDevs.

[Anonymous No.3929451]

>>3928410
>backed out on his original goal of 100% accurate SNES emulation
Name a specific inaccuracy involving 100% official hardware in as-new condition.

[Anonymous No.3929453]

>>3929304
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Super_Nintendo_emulators

Pick your poison

[Anonymous No.3929472]

>>3929428

This. Nothing is worse than MAMEDevs, they're like the anti-Byuu when it comes to accuracy.

[Anonymous No.3929476]

>>3928396
Not really. I think he is just a pretentious dev who like to belittle others so he can appear as superior and lives to hear people praising him about his lifetime obsession . Also, Higan SNES emulation is not even that much accurate or special, it's only focused on getting 100% compatibility with commercial titles, still fails with many tech demos and test programs.

[Anonymous No.3929480]

How, exactly, is he dumping SNES games?
Because I have dumped roms directly from the mask roms for most of my games using a Teensy++ 2.0 and they match up just fine against good rom sets from ages ago.

Dumping the "entire memory map" is literally just dumping the contents of the fucking mask rom.

This is not a complicated process.
You send a read command for each address bit, and write the contents to a file.

Any EEPROM reader can do this.
Teensy is the cheapest way to do it, and you can use a pogo pin setup for any standard DIP or PSOP mark rom.
SNES does not use TSOP or fine pitch packages for ANY game, so these are all inexpensive to set up.

My teensy cost $35, the pogo pins are $8 for 50, or $10 for 100.

The costs of a jig are about $5 in materials, and you only need to make TWO jigs.

One for 36 pin DIP, one for 44 pin PSOP.
You put the cart into the jig, read the rom, and move on to the next one.

Each read should take less than 3 minutes.

[Anonymous No.3929496]

To a degree, yes. However, since the core emulation has reached 100% accuracy, I think the focus should shift towards optimization. I'd like to be able to run an emulator with Higan's accuracy on a Raspberry Pi.

[Anonymous No.3929584]

>>3928396
I wish guys like him would focus on making a decent N64 emulator instead of "perfect" SNES emulation, a console whose emulation was more than adequate for any non-autist 10-12 years ago.

[Anonymous No.3929593]

>>3929584
Byuu values accuracy over any optimization.

You'd need a i7-8700k with a GTX1080 to get 8 fps while playing Super Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.3929613]

>>3929472
>Nothing is worse than MAMEDevs, they're like the anti-Byuu when it comes to accuracy.

It's not that, it's that they are pretentious as fuck. Take Byuus autism, turn it up to eleven, act like you are entitled to everything for free, and then not even manage to shit out a half-decent emulator for any hardware more complicated than Pacman. Then blame lack of ambition on the rom kiddiez who keep bothering you about Neogeo/CPS2 bugs..

[Anonymous No.3929619]

>>3929480
He has some "complicated" setup that reads the entire address map, due to different mappers and extra hardware used on the carts.

It's actually not that stupid, but for all of this you'd just need photos of the disassembled carts and 1 each of every different PCB type + mapper chip type. From that you can extrapolate how every ROM chip maps up in the address space.

You don't need to redump every single cart.

But it's his money, so bully for him if he wants to. The only people losing out on it are the retards like that guy who sent him hundreds of PAL games for free.

What really irks me isn't this, but how he is bitching about scalpers and resellers when HE is the one driving up prices by going into completely idiotic bidding wars. Of course a $50 cart will go up in price if you are willing to pay $650 for it!

[Anonymous No.3929706]

>>3928410
When and how?

[Anonymous No.3929725]

>>3929001
He's released the few ROMs he ever found that were different versions or corrupted (as diffs, and there were less than ten of them so far out of hundreds of games).

I do get the impression that he suffers from OCD and thinks future historians will judge him for not preserving enough.

[Anonymous No.3929873]

>>3929178
>zsnes
>ever
how new are you?

[Anonymous No.3929979]

>>3928396
It's the best emulator I've ever used. That guy Byuu puts a lot of attention to detail, convincing me to finally get rid of my SNES and my games.

[Anonymous No.3930021]

Tried higan on my linux (i'm using xubuntu) but for some reason the frame was completely fucked up. Tried ZNES and worked 100% perfect but sometimes glitches my laptop. Been thinking of looking for a better emulator but then I met Roguelikes and my life is done.

[Anonymous No.3930101]

His efforts have resulted in a much more complete understanding of the SNES hardware and its various expansion chips. I don't use his emulator (I mostly use real hardware, actually), but I'm grateful for his work, without which Snes9x would probably still have shitty, inaccurate sound.

Now if only someone would direct that level of autism at the PC Engine...

[Anonymous No.3930104]

>>3928396
This thread is nothing else but bait. Welcome to neo /vr/. The mods from back then would have deleted such threads instantly. Sigh..

[Anonymous No.3930121]

>>3930104
I wish people would realize that janitors and mods are the exact same people who shitpost here. When your moderation staff is drawn from the exact same pool of newfags, shitposters, and children obsessed with "memes" how can you expect anything but newfaggotry, shitposting, and memes? It's exactly what they want, so they don't see the problem with it.

[Anonymous No.3930712]

>>3929132
>The ones that only benefit him, as he has absolutely no intention of releasing his "correctly" dumped titles?
It benefits everyone.
He can't just go around handing out other peopels IP.

But he can release hashes of the good ripped roms, so others can try to replicate his efforts with roms and know that their rips were/are in fact accurate.

[Anonymous No.3930716]

>>3930712
He'll be the only one to even get the chance to dump many of the rare games he's making hashes of.

[Anonymous No.3930729]

>>3929476
>who like to belittle others
Any example of this?

[Anonymous No.3930895]

>>3930712
And just what's stopping anyone from doing the entire process themselves, and then *not* being an actual faggot with the end results?

>and know that their rips were/are in fact accurate.
And he's the only person capable of "correctly" dumping carts? Fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.3930917]

>>3930712
>He can't just go around handing out other peopels IP.
he literally can though, 100s of others have done it with no repercussions. What he's doing is the ultimate 'fuck you' to the people who actually care about this shit. "Oh you actually wanted to play some of these PAL games? Pfft, they're only for me to hoard and never play, here's some hashes so you can see how shitty your ROMs are, unlike my superior flawless ROMs for myself. I'm a preservationist after all!"

[Anonymous No.3930950]

>>3930121
>lurk the super secret IRC chats
>mfw the kinds of trash I have witnessed

This post is 100% accurate.

[Anonymous No.3930973]

I actually like the idea of game folders. I think he screwed it up though, and he forced it on people who didn't want it and they shat on it.

But the idea itself has value.

[Anonymous No.3930991]

>>3930121
I wish people would realize that 4chan is 4chan. It's surreal how many people choose to come to somewhere like this and then bitch about it day in and day out.

[Anonymous No.3931016]

>>3928792
It's all he can do without getting nailed by Nintendo. In your analogy, he'd be stockpiling a database so you would know that your copy of a book has all the right words in it instead of being a shitty knockoff.

[Anonymous No.3931026]

>>3931016
Just don't post the nintendo games then.

It's not like there's any bad images if them.

Besides, if I do wind up getting a copy of a book with the wrong words, what then?
There's not always another copy.

[Anonymous No.3931057]

>>3931016
Bullshit, when have ROM dumpers been 'nailed' by anyone? Why are sites like emuparadise still up? Because no one cares and it's all anonymous. Maybe if byuu wasn't so hell bent on reaping the e-fame and e-fortune for his 'preservation' he could do it. But he has to be center stage and getting Kotaku articles about his meltdown to the USPS.

[Anonymous No.3931060]

>>3929619
>He has some "complicated" setup that reads the entire address map, due to different mappers and extra hardware used on the carts.

This is not how SNES carts work.

The mask rom chips are straight up binary code hard-baked into a READ ONLY chip designed to an exact standard where there are x number of 1 byte banks of binary data.

In a 32mb/4MB cart (like, earthbound or FF6 or whatever), you'd have 4194304 banks of 8 bits each, and you access the banks by setting the address legs high or low to set what exact address you need, then reading the data by the high/low states of the data legs.

In order to dump a 32mb mask rom, you just load every single address sequentially from 00000000000000000000000 to 11111111111111111111111 and read the address pins to a binary file.

It's not difficult at all, and there is no need for weird memory bank voodoo.

[Anonymous No.3931073]

>>3930104
>Is obviously not using the report button

Go the fuck back to /sthg/ and stay there, you complacent piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.3931360]

>>3930991
And what's surreal to me is how many people come here later in the website's life and then promptly ignore any past, culture, or established userbase it might have, shit on everything as hard as they can, post the lastest "dank meemays" (whatever that means), and then have the audacity to find it surreal that anyone might bitch about it. More so when it's on a board that was, at least partially, created to avoid all of the aforementioned crap.

[Anonymous No.3931381]

>>3931360
lol/lmao

[Anonymous No.3931406]

>>3931381
Exhibit A

[Anonymous No.3931426]

>>3931060
That's reading the mask rom only, not the entire SNES cart. There might be mapping hijinx or whatever the fuck going in on them. What the guy is doing is reading the cart, as the SNES sees it. Not just reading the ROM chip. Any monkey with a Willem can do that, but it might not get you shit like hardware copy protection where a part of the address space returns different data, when checked by the SNES, compared to what is on the ROM chip.

Granted this is a hypothetical scenario since I don't know if any games do such a thing. But the point is, there is a point to what he is doing, he's just doing it in the most stupid, overkill, autistic method, and then bitches about why him being autistic enough to buy every title suddenly jacks up prices.

[Anonymous No.3931512]

>>3931426
Except that's literally how every normal cart dumper works, and is generally less accurate than popping the ROM off and reading directly.

Besides, all of the mappers and expansion chips are fairly well understood already.

[Anonymous No.3931936]

>>3929613
Not to mention hiding source
They have the source code for the Model 2 emulator but they won't release it, or even use it to improve their version of it.

I'll never be able to play daytona usa on linux because of these fucks

[Anonymous No.3932532]

>>3929472
see if you can care about accuracy of tens of thousands games for several hundred different platforms if you were to write your own emulator

[Anonymous No.3932536]

It's hard for me to pick the bigger asshole.

Byuu or squarepusher.

They both have quite a storied history.

[Anonymous No.3932626]

>>3930121
>Make a thread to compare LoZ and Botw
> "Not retro"
>Make a thread about a new cool emulator
> "No baits"
>"I hope you guys enjoy licking some emufag balls"
> "Proceed"

[Anonymous No.3932638]

>>3931512
That's exactly what the problem is with Byuus stupid autistic redump crusade.

[Anonymous No.3932695]

>>3931426
>That's reading the mask rom only, not the entire SNES cart. There might be mapping hijinx or whatever the fuck going in on them

Then you figure that out by reverse engineering the extra hardware, and implement it on a clean ROM dump in emulation.

You don't dump the byte swapped fucked up rom file and try to push the square peg into a round hole for eternity.

Besides, the memory mapping of the SNES is very well understood, and the only memory mapper hardware on SNES carts is simple 74xx series logic, and the MAD-1, which do simple bank swapping (they tie the highest address line high or low to chop large chips into smaller banks the SNES can address directly).

SA-1 does the same thing, as does GSU, CX4, and SPC7110.

The SNES's memory map is not that complicated.

[Anonymous No.3932695,1]

thank black jesus