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Previous thread >>3901468

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x (Update ETA - Soon™)
An Anon's Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
An Anon's Guide to differentiating Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Information : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J

/crt/ Discord Server : https://discord.gg/EFWPCYE
/crt/ Thread Master List : http://pastebin.com/GPqvkwX5 (Links to be updated soon)

Thread Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1HF1jPaNTZDupCn_GGtFuB3DxW5WFFd3yT4znmLA_cuU5oA/viewform
Collaborative Consumer CRT Project Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd3_OraDPRRN_OzQ4r_-CqoNPR9J0r2KtFrpV6iuXdxM3DDJg/viewform

>> No.3926897

Source on why grief counselling is open :
https://www.twitch DOT tv/videos/135854774?t=03h45m11s

Jump at 03h45m11s if the link doesn't do it

>> No.3926903

Since this is basically Sony The Thread, have you ever owned something more exotic? I remember our family had a Nokia crt, and it didnt look that bad.

>> No.3926912

Is it possible to connect either a GTX 1070 or R9 270x to a CRT by converting DVI-D to VGA, then getting one of those $50 boxes off Amazon or eBay to convert VGA to Component, and have my PC output [email protected] to said CRT without it catastrophically fucking up?

>> No.3926921

There isn't any obvious reason you couldn't. DVI-D output to active DVI->VGA converter, active VGA to component converter. passive cable adapters will not work unless you use a DVI-A output, which your cards might not support

>> No.3926940

I've got a B&O Beovision 8902 at my parents' place.

Non-Sony CRTs in my immediate possession include an Amstrad CTM-644, IBM P260 (admittedly this is a rebadged Trinitron) JVC VM-R150E-K and Viewsonic G90f.

Sony-wise I have 2x BVM-20F1E, 1x BVM-20G1E, 1x BVM-20G1A, PVM-2950QM and a KX-27PS1 Profeel.

I should really look to thinning out my collection.

>> No.3927048

How common are sets with native 21 pin RGB input? I'm looking to import one to the states. Any good models?

>> No.3927220

In europe?

You'd be hard pushed to find an SD set which DOESN'T have it tbqh.

>> No.3927223


Threadly reminder this needs to go in the OP. Fantastic resource.

>> No.3927291

Does anyone have a sort of compatibility list of the different PVM/BVM expansion cards and what they provide?

>> No.3927347

youtube capture

>> No.3927378

For which particular line of monitor?

Broadcaststore.com has loads of brochures available for download which contain the information you seek.

>> No.3927529

i had a esa and a apex but they both had really bad color bleed and geometry
the picture on the esa was ass too

>> No.3927857

In response to the guy who asked about 6th gen gaming. >>3926832

Get any trinitron that has a component output and then just get a switch that you can run all your 6th gen component cables into. It's pretty tough/impossible to find a set with more than 1 component input so the switch is your best option.

I would say avoid professional monitors entirely unless you can get a hold of a multiformat set. If it's not multiformat then just go the consumer route and get a nice 27+ inch tv. The picture will be spectacular and if one day you ever happen across a multiformat monitor scoop it up and enjoy your 480p.

>> No.3927862

And I responded to the wrong guy, great.

>> No.3927934

How do you get component video into a crosspoint? I thought they needed a clean sync, does having the sync on green work and you don't need to plug in anything else?

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hey guys, I recently broke out my shitbox component transcoder after a year (pic related) and it's fucked. The white balance shifts radically toward yellow.

Is it worth opening it up to mess with the pots, or will my greasy fingers just make it worse? It's not like I have the equipment to calibrate. Maybe something is wrong with cable seating or something of that nature?

t. retarded burger who just wants to play 4th gen + n64 in component video again.

>> No.3928024

If it's already not worth using, you can't lose anything by fucking with it further

>> No.3928031

Try to fuck around with the pots, see if any of them have broken. The values are printed on the board, replace it if everything else fails.

>> No.3928037

these things are never configured properly.
Find something that will display pure white and use that to fix the color balance.

I have one, and I needed pot adjustments.

>> No.3928057

21pin RGB =/= SCART

>> No.3928069

yeah, that's true
thanks dudes

>> No.3928296

So you want to import a heavy CRT across from Japan and then scrabble around for vanishingly rare cables?

Yeah, good luck with that...

>> No.3928364

You just plug it in. as long as the input matches the output it works, so make sure you keep the cables in the same order. You can even pass composite video through it if you want. Just make sure yellow input matches yellow output.

if you aren't using sync it just ignores it. but the big thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't convert shit. the output only works if it matches

>> No.3928797

Alright, so a whole day of searching has led me to find only one VGA to YPbPr converter, and it doesn't output anything lower than 480p (my CRT only goes up to 480i, despite having Component inputs)


How do you guys feel about an HDMI to Component converter like this?

>> No.3928819

they're typically not great quality, but that's not particularly expensive. you're going to want to make sure your PC is willing to play along and actually output 240p.


>> No.3928827

Apparently, a GTX 970 can output 240p with only the stock drivers, so I feel like my 1070 is good to go. If not though, I have some ancient AMD/ATI cards in my closet I can dig out

Ty for the heads up though. Guess I'll bite the bullet and see what happens.

>> No.3928830

I recently switched back to nvidia, so if you find a solution do post an update

>> No.3928837

googling gtx 970 240p got me this
i'm guessing it'll work with all modern nvidia cards and hopefully not just the 970

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>tfw have to learn how to fix up my own shit because finding someone to do it for me is impossible in 2017

oh god i have no idea what the fuck im doing and all im hoping is that i dont break something or accidentally kill myself

>> No.3929109

These are exactly the same feelings I have.

>> No.3929157
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Somebody tell me what the fuck is going on.

I opened up my CRT to have a look at that, and found this shit on the side of the flyback transformer. It looks like some kind of goo? Is this normal?

>> No.3929297

>not looking forward to learning something new

>> No.3929303

With no context about what your CRT is doing, we have no idea how to help you.

>> No.3929332

>Looking forward to learning something new where if you fuck up it'll kill you instantly

>> No.3929341

That's a bit of a stretch. It might sting like hell, but unless you have a weak heart it's unlikely to kill you.

>> No.3929345

Would wearing rubber gloves help?

>> No.3929373

It certainly should.

>> No.3929375

Just wax, totally normal left there from factory to keep stuff in place, don't remove it.

>> No.3929392


Just so you know people that Trillion of volt that can kill on a crt is 99% a myth. Just unplug the electric cord and dont even bother more than that.
It can sting you maybe a millisecond but more then that you are safe.

>> No.3929393

Is there any way to completely discharge them first?

>> No.3929405

Some have an build in discharge system. (some also recharge after sometime)
But really removing the anode cap is not going to kill you. Shock you, make you fall or anything.

>> No.3929409



There's a piercing whining coming from my CRT and I know it's not the usual 15khz noise. I have other CRTs and none of them sound as bad as my PVM. I've heard that maybe it's a capacitor that's fucked or the flyback transformer that's fucked, and i'm trying to figure out what's going on.

>> No.3929421 [DELETED] 

It's probably not something that isn't visible. Turn it on while it's open, and try to listen for exactly where the sound is coming from. It might be an extremely whiny coil.

>> No.3929425

It's probably not something that is visible. Turn it on while it's open, and try to listen for exactly where the sound is coming from. It might be an extremely whiny coil.

>> No.3929427


I see. Any kind of guide that can tell me how to fix that if it is the problem?

>> No.3929440

That is the exactly same problem I'm having. Please, If you survive, tell me what did you do to fix it.

>> No.3929442

If you find that it is just a coil, either some capacitors nearby need replacing, or you could try fucking with the coil in some way to make it stop. Lightly poke suspected coils with a plastic stick or something and see if the pitch changes.

>> No.3929445


Okay, I might as well keep /crt/ updated.

>> No.3929446

Whining = buzzing ?

>> No.3929459


Yeah. Just a high-pitched noise.

>> No.3929463

It is the year 2017 ans I'm going to die from an electric shock from a CRT.

>> No.3929471

You would be the first

>> No.3929498


Well shit, i'm not very good at trying pinpoint where the fuck the noise is coming from. It's also really fucking hard to listen to especially because i have tinnitus and i dont want to fuck up my hearing even more

I'm thinking maybe it's the flyback transformer. Is there any way to test that out? Should I just say fuck it and replace it anyway to see if that works? Any good links on how to replace this shit?

If that doesn't work I guess I gotta replace capacitors. I know there's a way to test those, but does that work if they're already in the board? Can I just take some kinda device and keep testing caps until I find one that's fucked?

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also does this look normal? i just noticed how some of the coils were horizontal and was wondering if it's supposed to be like that.

>> No.3929591

A PVM that clean is clearly wasted on you.

Please do us all a favour and apply the anode lead to your anus.

>> No.3929604


Hey now, he's just trying to learn.

Yeah dude, it's normal. The gooey stuff is just to keep components from shifting and adjustments locked. If you aren't having any issues with the set, you should be fine.

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got a pvmeme in the mail and it has this green and red splotch at the top
this is the kind of thing that can fix itself if i turn it off for awhile and turn it back on right? other than that i love the picture so i hope it sorts itself out

>> No.3929819

Sometimes that problem goes away. But if it's still there after a week of turning the monitor on and off 2 times a day then you should look into getting a degaussing coil. Or move the position the set is facing

>> No.3929895

Looks like what happens when you place a magnet near the set.

>> No.3930103

My CRT is mono. What device would you use to get stereo sound?

>> No.3930118

Some speakers maybe?

>> No.3930149

External speakers

>> No.3930153

keep any magnetic devices away from your monitor. open it up and check the boards and check if there's any dry solder joints especially by the degaussing probe.

>> No.3930172

>and check if there's any dry solder joints especially by the degaussing probe.
It's a degaussing coil.

It's a purity issue, either from getting bounced around a bit in shipping or just the change in location.

You should be able to open it up and clear the issue up by adjusting the purity rings on the yoke; What model is it?

>> No.3930175

you're a degaussing probe.

>> No.3930179

How can I tell the number of lines a CRT has?

>> No.3930182

don't pascal cards lack a ramdac?

>> No.3930186
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If you have a few numbers regarding the dot pitch of the tube and size, you can math out a theoretical TVL, but it is also dependent on how precisely the gun can focus in on a point of the screen.

There are test images out there for testing and finding said number, but it's not going to be 100% accurate; Also not as straight forward with TVs, since you can't as easily throw a full-screened pdf file up on them.

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>> No.3930220

I'm expecting an Ikegami HTM-1700RA soon. My first flat screen CRT since I had the misfortune of putting up with an HD Sony Wega with HDMI. I have the Component option board, so I'm excited to see how a later run 2004 CRT handles 240p.

>> No.3930221

There's not much bullshit with computer monitors compared to TVs and their composite/rgb/aperture grille/etc drama right? I had a 17'' Samsung Syncmaster circa 2008 and found the exact same model for some pocket change

>> No.3930237

31khz vga monitors are pretty clean cut, rgb, no 480i/240p natively, rgbhv, limiting in a sense but the quality is great.

Aperture grille pc monitors are pretty common, sony made them and the trinitron tech was licensed to a few manufacturers and they usually used the -tron suffix.

I think they are great and handle a lot of arbitrary resolutions but you do need to do some work arounds when sending a consoles 15khz signal to them.

That said, perhaps a 15khz crt would conpliment it well.

>> No.3930242

I see thanks.

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Do i pull the trigger?

I've only ever messed with PC CRTs though

>> No.3930250

without hesitation

>> No.3930329

If you degauss it a few times when power cycling (on/off two times a day) and it doesn't go away, it's probably not going to be fixed with a degaussing coil. It's a purity issue. This means the set has been rotated from where it was, and the Earth's magnetic field is different around it. That sort of thing can kinda get locked in if you rotate a set while it's on, or tate it and turn it on straight away, rather than leaving it a day or two. East/west/pitch/tate can all have this effect. It can be a pain setting up an arcade monitor on your bench, then putting it into a cab where it's laying back a bit and watching the purity go to shit.

The proper fix is to re-do the purity. This is the first step in the convergence process - you loosen the yoke and... see this video, that's easier than me typing it out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmrrf5hiYQI

A ghetto fix is to use a magnet or two on top of the set. Use the weakest magnet you can, that still does the job. Fridge magnets first. Most electronics stores (radio shack is dead, but Jaycar, if you're in Aus) will sell rare earth magnets, if you need more oomph. I got some from Officeworks. Remember to turn the magnets over and stuff, to find the best position. And to use something like 240p test suite so you can get a white mage up, and also the grid because the magnets might move the convergence just slightly - which is normally manageable.

>> No.3930446

Compaq V720 for 20USD, good deal or not?

>> No.3930481

can also meant deformed/damaged grille

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Are my coils OK?

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I like SNK too!

>> No.3930791

Well, do they work?
Anyways, the cracked 'glue' would result in louder whine.

>> No.3930824

My tv works, but it does whine.

>> No.3930828

Cover it in hot glue

>> No.3930831

Sounds dangerous.

>> No.3930834

Don't actually, but it can fix coil whine depending on the situation


>> No.3930848

>$50 for a # Series
Maybe the medical warehouse spoiled me.

>> No.3930850

It was already sold, ended up not turning on anyways ;_;

>> No.3930871

Well at least you dodged a bullet my man.

Say, do any /vr/ posters have any interest in the PVMs I have at my disposal? I can give you guys a good price + shipping if so.

>> No.3930908

Is there any difference between using a universal remote on a modern tv and a crt? I have one, and I just tried to get it working on my crt, but it didn't work. It did work on my modern tv though.

>> No.3930913

No, there's no difference

t. Logitech Harmony / Sony KX-27PS1 user

>> No.3930921

KV-25C5E here. Can't get it to work. Any tips.

>> No.3930923
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What do you guys think of this crt filter I just made for shits and giggles?

>> No.3930928

I presume you've tried all the available Sony codes?

There was a major protocol shift right around the release of the Bravia range. Most basic functions previous to this date back to the early 80s.

>> No.3930969

Shouldn't there be some kind of sign when the remote and tv contact? Like the "mute" picture showing up in the screen or the tv turning off? I can't even get that.

>> No.3931058

Universal remote guy here. Never mind, found the real remote for 5€ literally 100 meters away.

>> No.3931059

If you're having difficulty you may be better off just looking for an OEM Sony remote, they're basically universal within the brand. My PVM's remote works on my WEGA, and the remote for my WEGA can also work the PVM.

>> No.3931087

>PVM's remote
Is that the RM-854 by any chance? Been looking for one of those for ages.

Granted I have all functionality covered by my harmony but it's a bit of a pain to use for service menu navigation.

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Forgot pic

>> No.3931193
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Anyone have any recommendations for a general purpose RGB to component circuit? I'd like to integrate one into my Dreamcaat (15khz scart mode) and one into my N64 (after the rgb amp).

>> No.3931224
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Negative, RM-739. It's an older PVM, remote's p. bare-bones.

>> No.3931238

Sure, post some details on the models you own and pricing. My Toshiba 27 inch is starting to get really bad phosphor decay.

>> No.3931405

Is it a good idea to open my CRTV and use compressed air to spray away the dust especially on the capacitors to protect them from overheating and drying out or is this pointless?

>> No.3931415

Don't know, but I did that. Dust and electronics are never a good duo I guess.

>> No.3931440

you can copy paste the conversion circuit from here


or you can go with a cheaper, probably worse quality solution from here


>> No.3931479

Well I've got no fucking clue what the shipping is like on these babies. Also never bought one online where I've seen them sell for $200 plus, so I really don't know what they're worth on the open market; All of mine were either free, from people desperate to rid themselves of it or simply bought when they weren't hugely sought after by retro gamers.

List of models is something like:
20L2 with BKM129x
20L2 with BKM28X
Olympus 203, 142 and 143

>> No.3931485

It's exciting to see that someone else is using this, because that circuit is in the image I posted.
Thank you for the reassurance.

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kitty on monitor, cute and harmless or cute and deadly? what's the consensus?

>> No.3931520

adorable, cats did that for decades prior to lcd displays

>> No.3931529

Is it possible I might make things worse by spraying the dust into a sensitive part of the CRTV?

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Pvm-14n6u checking in. When I find the tripod I might take some shots with a real camera

>> No.3931562

fine as long as you don't turn off the antigrav

>> No.3931570

Would a PVM-8042Q be worth getting for $20 or is it too small to really get that much use out of?

>> No.3931587

I'd say if you have the room and the 20 bucks to spare then why not? If it works fine then it's a neat novelty item to have and it's still a PVM, right?

>> No.3931592

$20 for RGB? Absolutely.
Only you can decide whether it's too small for you, it most certainly wouldn't be useful for large space situations.
At such a trivial price, it's a good starting point.

>> No.3931639


Yeah I got it\. It's a cheap starting point for me to see if i wanna start on the full rgb route.

At the very least it'll be a nice little desktop monitor I can use for gba/gb games

>> No.3931642

someone's put a 0.7 inch crt on ebay and put it together so you can plug in composite video, tempted to get it

>> No.3931652

how much is it?

>> No.3931656
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like one of those camera viewfinders?

>> No.3931661


>> No.3931662

bidding is at £31 at the moment, got 2 days left.

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Raspberry Pi throwing out 240p mame.

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So, wanting to feel nostalgic with some old shows.

Whats the best way to get some older anime on my PVM that I can load off USB or SD?

I know PS2 will play DVDs but I want a faster solution than burning to DVD. Would PS3 display in proper resolutions? that can do MKVs even right?

>> No.3931925

really interested in getting one of these rpi 240p boards for this reason exactly. How is it working out for you?

>> No.3931939

I'm interested as fuck for a good price. I know I'd get absolutely fucked on shipping though thanks to living in Canada.

>> No.3931954

Wii with a homebrew video program. Forgot what it's called but it works pretty nice.

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PS3 will do 480i, if that's what you're asking.

I want to say it's a bit picky with exactly what files it will play outright, but transcoding on a PC and streaming it to a PS3 is really simple and clears up pretty much any issues you could run into.

Wii is okay if you're dealing with old divx encodes, but chokes pretty easily otherwise.

>> No.3931984

WiiMC or MPlayer CE would be my picks.

>> No.3931992


got a keyword for me to google for the type of PC to PS3 streaming I should be using? this sounds like a good solution cause then I can run all the codecs...

>> No.3932002

PS3 Media Server, or Universal Media Server if you're looking for something still seeing updates.

I'm sure there are other options, but those are what I'm using.


>> No.3932013


will try these, thanks

>> No.3932230

ive got a 14m2u and whenever i turn a console on while the pvm is on the screen goes into a full red tinge
turning it off and on or turning it on after the system fixes it but does anyone know why it would do this?

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There is are two TV repair shops minutes away from me lol.
One of them even makes house calls,that way I dont have to carry anything.

>> No.3932292

just tried out a svideo switcher box and if im not on the systems slot when i power it on and then switch to it afterwards it works fine
really tinkers my thinker

>> No.3932352


never ship a CRT


altough if the tube itself wasnt broken inside(neck), then Im sure he couldve gotten it working again, but still

>> No.3932405

What adjustments are there actually inside the crt. I only found one screw inside my trinitron on the flyback transformer.

>> No.3932438

It's working great. It does take a little bit of tweaking the overscan for it to be just right but once it's set you're golden. I'd recommend buying a rpi 3 then buying a set of zune composite cables. You can have the whole set up for under 50 dollars.

>> No.3932447

I got a 19" JVC monitor with a broken remote board so I can't really use it. I know it works otherwise but without controls I can't do much except send an SDI signal and power it on - not very useful. The board was broken in half so I was wondering are there any services where I can get a board printed and just solder on the buttons and everything?

>> No.3932493

How much would you pay for a working VCR? I remember you got that shit for free few years ago. Now when I look at the local "craiglist" the prices are between 20-80€. Wtf. There's no fucking way I'm going to pay +10€ for a god damn VCR.

>> No.3932503

No more than $30 and for $30 it had better be a damn nice JVC Super VHS deck.

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This is the supply of my city, and the neighboring (close) cities. Why.

>> No.3932519

mee kirpparil jonne

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En oo vielä löytäny.

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Lacie Electron 19 Blue IV displaying at 320x240 120fps (in order to achieve min 31khz)


>> No.3932784

Well what model would you be looking at?

>> No.3932901
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Oh shit, i have one of these on my desk at work. What condition is yours in?

>> No.3932963

Finally got my first pvm: a 20L2MD new in box, delivered all the way to my turd world country, they tore me a new anus with the shipping cost.

Will post some sexy pics in some hours.

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C-C-Can I join the club?

>> No.3932997
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Want to play Mega Man and the NES disney games on my Xbox One but on a CRT.

I mean i'll have other games too but thats not /vr/ related; my situation requires me to be at a place now and then that only has a CRT.

How good do these HDMI to RCA converters work? I see some videos on youtube of them in use but not many. Is there one that converts HDMI to s-video? Is there an importance in getting one that has to be powered or is it okay to get one like the radioshack converter that is pictures?

>> No.3933000

If it's not powered then it's not going to work in most cases. You're taking a digital signal and putting it into an analogue socket. Without a powered converter it's still just a digital signal which composite isn't.

>> No.3933001


Doesn't power go through HDMI? I am assuming that's how it works for the one pictured.

>> No.3933004

Going to look worse than trash. There is no reason to use a CRT unless you're going to actually give it the correct resolutions for the games you're playing.

>> No.3933006

I would hate VHS tapes less if I had one of those beauties.

>> No.3933009

You can set the system output to 480i

>> No.3933012

Homeboy said sometimes he has no option BUT a CRT. In that case, anything is better than no video games at all.
Just get one of the cheap HDMI2AV adapters on Amazon. They're USB powered, and there's a few videos up on YouTube about how they work (which it sounds like you've seen). They're functional, and when you're in a situation with no other option but a CRT and an HD console, they should get the job done.

>> No.3933013

That is not the correct resolution.

>> No.3933015

>Doesn't power go through HDMI? I am assuming that's how it works for the one pictured.
No, unless HDMI started supplying 5v in recent iterations. That's a passive converter, similar to a DVI to VGA converter. The other anon is right though, it's going to look like shit even if you do get it working, unless you've got an HD CRT that can do 1080i.

>> No.3933017

What? If you're trying to downscale something from HD to SD, how is that not the right resolution? Especially since the Xbone can do 480i natively.

>> No.3933020
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>unless HDMI started supplying 5v

>> No.3933024

I think he means the NES isn't 480i, but since it's a port for the Xbone it doesn't matter.

What TV do you have?

>> No.3933026

Oh shit. Shows what I know. Still a shitty connection though.

>> No.3933030

I'm not the downscaler guy; I just knew what he was asking would be at least playable with the right adapter, in the specific circumstance he mentioned so I didn't get all the shitting going on.

>> No.3933123

do you have any knowledge of the pvm-14L2 I am new to this general and have little knowledge. basically, is it a good one for using RGB?

>> No.3933182


P22 phosphors and 600tvl makes it more like a really, really nice consumer set but with all the relevant inputs. 480i content will have far less flicker than on supposedly "better" monitors which generally use reference-grade high-decay SMPTE or EBU phosphors depending on region of sale.

>> No.3933256

One of the 20L2s or 20M2s

>> No.3933260

>max 50 mA

>> No.3933283

That's not enough to power a dac?

>> No.3933293

more than enough.
Some devices are deliberatelly underpowered like the ps4.

>> No.3933330

Don't get too enthralled, they're from the late 80s, and some rubber rings in the VCR tend to rot away. I had to replace something in mine just so it would play properly, and it still doesn't fast forward/rewind, just manual forward/back. Not a bad unit, though. All the controls are easily accessible, and it's not hard to make it look decent

>> No.3933701

Alright, what's it worth to you? As I said I have no inkling of general prices and such. Would $60 USD+shipping be excessive?

>> No.3933727

60 USD plus shipping is fine. I'd prefer the L2 though.

>> No.3933739

I'm in Toronto by the way.

>> No.3933786

>via USPS, UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc.


However, there are other options. One is freight shipping, ideally strapping the CRT to a wooden palette. Another, more expensive option is hiring a white glove courier using uShip.com. Don't do either until you have completely exhausted all local options, and only then for your dream CRT.

>> No.3933828

>I will never EVER own a BVM or PVM
It hurts bros

>> No.3933832

Why not?

>> No.3933834

Why not?

>> No.3933835

I'll address this later on

>> No.3933838

they are neither readily available, nor affordable in australia. Even if i could get one, it's probably gonna be close to dying

>> No.3933859

I am fed up with my YPbPr input WEGA and its shit flat screen geometry.

Are bowl screens always better in the geometry department? I want to pick up a 30+ inch CRT and hack in RGB like so


but I've also never opened a CRT before and I understand they can be very dangerous. Are there any precautions to take while doing the work? Is there any suggestions for quality, large, bowl screened aperture grille tubes?

>> No.3933864
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Even palettes can be improperly handled, especially if the seller doesn't know how to properly brace things.

That said, if properly packaged, a CRT can safely make the journey, even with UPS. That's how my Ikegami ended up getting here.

This is the outer layer of the cocoon that it showed up in; The inner layer was 3 or so layers of heavy duty bubble wrap completely engulfing the monitor to the point where you couldn't see anything of what was inside. The box itself was 3-4 times larger than the CRT itself.

>> No.3933915

You'd need an active converter and they're expensive

>> No.3933916

Just emulate them on a PC

>> No.3933925

>no one has decent crt monitors locally
>shipping understandably is hundreds of dollars from ebay.

Fug. This hobby is killin me.

>> No.3933978

If you're willing to RGB mod a fishbowl, I would recommend attempting to adjust the geometry issues which your WEGA is presenting first. If you have not yet manually adjusted the yoke, you may be surprised by how easy it is to do.

Convex can still have geometry issues, and they typically don't have as many options to fix them in the service menu either. Which will leave you in the same situation you're in currently.

If you still would rather RGB-mod a convex CRT, read through the thread over at the shmups hardware forum to get a better grasp of what that entails. Many success stories and dudes willing to help there.

>> No.3933980

Does anybody have a good picture of a mega drive/genesis game showing on a shadow mask TV via composite?

>> No.3933982
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The yoke? I have a lot to learn I see.
I have accessed the service menu on my set, but I've been unable to correct this issue. See pic, notice the lower middle horizontal lines pull in into the center.

It also has a really slight flicker to it, in that all the vertical lines twitch left and right to a small degree.

>> No.3933995

Dude, that"s just the PAMP (Pin Amp) setting in the service menu.

Do yourself a favor and search for a service manual at manualslib.com. If your model number is not listed, find a similar model which used the same chassis. It will help a lot.

>> No.3934004

Whoops, upon closer inspection, that is not necessarily PAMP. You might be able to remedy that by adjusting UPIN (Upper Pin) by a smidge.

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I have this photo and this video to offer; Still haven't fixed the GXTV, otherwise I'd take something new and fresh for you.


These are both from a Model 3; Audio buzzing is mainly from using a cheap SCART cable as my composite cable; Don't actually own a standard AV cable for the Model 2 style connector.

>> No.3934041

I've played with UPIN, but look at the fourth horizontal white line from the bottom. It bows upwards in the middle. What do I do there?

>> No.3934054

Thanks, this is useful

>> No.3934082

Yeah, looking harder at your image, I don't know what the heck that non-linear distortion is. You might need some magnets to fix that wavy geometry. I only had to fix tilt and bow on my sets. Good luck man.

>> No.3934083

They're cool, but they're small, and only have mono sound.

VHS tapes are also terrible video and audio quality. DVD's are better across the board.

>> No.3934158

>DVD's are better across the board.
No love for Laser Discs audio quality?

>> No.3934225

But what about VHS cameras? Nothing like lugging around one of those giant things and taking some family home movies.

All I want are high quality boxing matches on something like a laser disc

>> No.3934537

LD audio quality was completely unmatched until BluRay came along, and that's pretty wild.

>> No.3934626

hello crt anons

I have a nice one that I saved from being trashed at a university I used to work at, but it's specs I remember are

>1900x1440 @ 72hz
>1600x1200 @ 85hz
>1024x768 @ 100hz

I currently haven't been able to play anything on it since my desk is actually too weak to support it at the moment (lel I know) but I have a dilemma: my current GPU is a 980ti which has DVI-I output (and comes with a vga adapter in the box) but I'm afraid about wanting to upgrade to a new GPU because analog output is dead

bottom line is I want to know how you guys have faired with Displayport-VGA adapters for gaming. Almost everyone I see seems to say they only support up to 1920x1200 @ 60hz and that kind of pisses me off. I don't want to have to be locked to a 980ti fucking forever because I'll lose high quality analog output. Can anybody here confirm they use high refresh rates and decent resolutions from a Displayport adapter?

>> No.3934714

How is that possible?

Isn't LD audio just Redbook (same as CD)?

Are you saying that DVD has compressed audio and that Bluray has enough space for uncompressed audio?

How much radius does the the audio take on LDs compared to the video?
Are the audio tracks on the center of the disc or on the edge?

My understanding is that for video quality:

VCD=shit like VHS but with digital dirt on the screen instead of analog dirt, also can have several subtitle tracks unlike VHS
Betamax=1.5x as good as VHS
LD=2x as good as VHS
DVD=4x as good as VHS
BD=??x as good as VHS

But I don't know how that list goes for audio quality.

Do B&W VHS have better picture quality than color tapes because such video requires less bandwidth?

Do B&W VCD have better picture quality than color discs because such video requires less bandwidth?

>> No.3934746

Yeah, exactly. LDs have straight-up, uncompressed Redbook CD audio which is way higher quality than the heavily compressed, lossy audio that a DVD uses. Video quality is technically better on a DVD over an LD, but audio is far inferior. BDs have uncompressed hi-res audio, which, finally, is even better than Redbook.

As far as video goes, LDs have analog video, so while DVDs have a higher theoretical TVL resolution, they still suffer from MPEG artifacts during high motion scenes, etc. LDs have their own issues (Laser Rot is a bitch), but since it's analog video, some purists will argue that the picture is more 'film like' than digital video can provide. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Based on the digital vs. analog argument, it's hard to really draw direct, accurate comparisons between formats like you're doing, but you're roughly accurate. Sorry for the reddit spacing, I don't usually type this much and wanted it to be readable.

>> No.3934749

DVD has LPCM in the specs, it's just that it makes more sense to have multiples AC3s.
Musical DVDs typically use LPCM.

>> No.3934763

You are correct, but DVD-Audio is a different format and incompatible with most DVD players so I didn't mention it. Steely Dan's Gaucho in DVD-Audio at 24/96 though? Bliss.

>> No.3934779

no, regular dvd. 48khz/16b stereo is in dvd video specs. It is sometimes also used for the stereo track in movies.

>> No.3934791
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I got it.

>> No.3934798

Interesting, thanks. I've never seen a video DVD with audio quality that high.

>> No.3934804

good thing my crt has built in VHS player

>> No.3934805
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This discussion is now getting way off topic but I will say that VHS Hi-Fi and the Betamax equivalent were renowned for being truly excellent audio formats back in the 80's and 90's - rivalling DAT for professional usage.

If you wanted digital tape then, you could do a LOT worse than pick up a digital processor/encoder from Sony or Matsushita. I have pic related, bought from an auction of Alan Wilder's excess inventory (Depeche Mode, Recoil and successful producer in his own right).

>> No.3934812

bumping this, and tldr:
>Can anybody here confirm they use high refresh rates and decent resolutions from a Displayport adapter?

>> No.3934819

That's super ill. It takes analog audio, converts it to digital so you can output to a Beta or VHS deck?

>> No.3934825

>LDs have straight-up, uncompressed Redbook CD audio which is way higher quality than the heavily compressed, lossy audio that a DVD uses.

How does DVD audio quality compare to that of VHS tapes (HiFi stereo, not the early Linear mono)?

I have heard that some garage bands and other artists short on cash used VHS tapes to record their master version of their songs.

What if I use this to record live game music?
Will a cheap VCR record better audio quality than a good quality tape deck?
Does it matter what quality of tape I use?
Will it sound better than Youtube?

>> No.3934842
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Indeed. Using the full bandwidth of the tape which is pretty enormous.

>> No.3934923
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So there's these indie games I've been looking to play but if I play them on anything other than a CRT I feel like i'm missing the aesthetics factor.
Is there some way I can hook up my PC to my CRT TV and pretend it's actual retro shit? Help me out bros yes i have a crt monitor already but i want that garbage composite feel if you know what i mean

>> No.3934926

get an old mid-2000s graphics card with composite output.

>> No.3934927

wew, lots to unpack here; I'll do my best:

>How does DVD audio quality compare to that of VHS tapes (HiFi stereo, not the early Linear mono)
You can't directly compare analog and digital audio, it really needs to be heard. A clean, new tape on a clean new deck would arguably sound better than a lossy DVD audio track. Very subjective.

>I have heard that some garage bands and other artists short on cash used VHS tapes to record their master version of their songs.
My band did this as late as 2014, it was a very common practice, and is still done.

>What if I use this to record live game music?
I'm not sure I understand this question.

>Will a cheap VCR record better audio quality than a good quality tape deck?
This ties in to my answer above and the answer is no. A regular VCR does NOT use the whole tape for audio, it uses a tiny portion of it and the rest for your non-existent video track. On top of that, most VCRs compress the SHIT out of whatever you pipe into them for recording, like it's a very, very severe compressor. Some VHS decks have special audio recording modes for using the whole tape, though it was way more common (at the consumer level) on Betamax decks.

>Does it matter what quality of tape I use?
If you are going to do it, you need to use good quality tapes on SP mode, or whatever the shortest recording time is. Longer modes equals slower tape, which equals poorer sound. Longer tapes means thinner, poorer quality tapes.

>Will it sound better than Youtube?
Again, way too many variables. Will a 1080p YouTube video have better sound than a random Goodwill VHS tape? Probably. Will a 240p YouTube video? No.

>> No.3934930

That's super rad, if I had space for more gear I would be looking into one of those.

>> No.3934931
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So my extron came in along with the RCA cables I ordered. I know I'm going to have to strip the tips of the cables and feed them into the phoenix 5 pin connectors but I'm not sure what else.

I get that the second slot is for left audio and the fourth is for right but could anyone help me out with what the tip ring and sleeve are? I tried looking up the words in relation to wiring but got some stuff that seemed irrelevant to what I want to do.

Never really wired my own audio stuff before but one anon said it wasn't too difficult but even he had something else running into the empty slots of his connector.

>> No.3934935

Do you have any recommendations?

>> No.3934936
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it's literally this. to use that with unbalanced audio I think you can just wire ring to sleeve.

>> No.3934951


I know that most of you could answer this question

>> No.3934959
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right so I'm using these. So I would be wiring ring to sleeve(center)?

>> No.3934964

with rca plugs, "tip" would be the center pin, and "ring/sleeve" the surrounding ring.

>> No.3934973
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Is this tv worth $25? It's the 27" version and in "perfect condition" according to the listing. It only has s-video but I don't intend to use it for anything newer than an n64.

>> No.3934976

I wish I could, but I have no experience with those adapters. Still stuck on gtx780 myself.

1440p at 72Hz is like 200MHz pixel clock though? That doesn't seem too high, maybe some adapters would support that.

>> No.3934985

just fyi, if you can reach 72Hz at 1440p you should be able to push ~135hz at 768p.

>> No.3934989

Alright that helps, will there be any distinction between all that when I end up cutting it?

>> No.3934992
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That was possibly me - I posted a pic of the leads I made up.

For a start you'll want to be using unbalanced wiring. Balanced is for XLR connectors.

Use pic related and >>3934936
as a guide and simply run jumpers between the grounds as shown.

>> No.3935008

Speaking of DVDs, ive been wanting to watch some on my trinitron seeing as my sister has amassed a gigantic DVD library, what is a top tier dvd player I can buy?

They should be cheap now that blu-ray is the standard right?

>> No.3935018

Want to insulate yourself against electric shock?
Follow these steps:

1) Dont ground yourself. Wear rubber-soled boots and consider using a non-conductive floor mat (like a neoprene foam mat).
2) Use rubber or plastic tools to touch suspected High Voltage components and move things out of your way
3) Keep your non-working hand in your damn pocket to prevent yourself from grabbing anything, and try to prevent your body from touching anything that has a path to ground.

A CRT TV is unlikely to outright kill you unless it's huge (like 42+ inches might do it), you have a heart problem, or you leave it plugged in. You WILL get a shock, and it will be painful, and you might get knocked back, but it's unlikely to kill you.

Stun guns usually deliver more voltage, and they pulse it several times a second.

>> No.3935019

any pc can do the job beating most hardware, plug it into it.

>> No.3935024

Just use your ps2.

>> No.3935027

Those are nice sets, a lot of my wealthier friends had them growing up. If it works 'perfectly' as they say, $25 is totally reasonable for a 27" Hell I paid $20 for a 13" Trini recently just because I thought it looked cool.

>> No.3935028

You risk making the laser die sooner by playing dvds 24/7.

>> No.3935036

PS3 or X360 are great DVD players. PS3 and 360 have more media options as well, flash drives, PLEX streaming etc.

>> No.3935038

yea pretty sure that was you, it didn't look crazy tough so I was hoping to mimic it.

So for output I would use the tip(center pin) on the first and fourth slots then use the sleeve(outter ring) on the third slot.

And for input I would use the tip on the first and fourth slots. Then sleeve on second and fifth. And finally have a jumper go into the sleeves and empty slot. Not entirely sure what a jumper is but I'll look it up.

When using the sleeve or tip for multiple slots is it difficult? Like will I run out of sleeve or something? Sorry if this sounds dumb

>> No.3935042

Why would the PS2 laser die sooner?
Aren't DVD movies easier on the laser assembly because they simply read it sequentially instead of rapidly moving all over the disc to load different parts of the game into memory while streaming audio and FMV?

>> No.3935074

Oh, very nice.
I got my PVM from a medical supply place in Oregon, and they shipped it similarly with those self-fitting foam packs.

they double boxed it, too. Smaller box for the TV with lots of bubble wrap, then they put down a foam pack inside a larger box, put the smaller box in, and put 4 foam packs on each side, and a final one on top before sealing it.

UPS managed to punch a hole through the box, but due to the superb packing, it didn't penetrate the second box.

>> No.3935082
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The toughest thing was remembering to slide the heatshrink on BEFORE connecting everything. That's totally optional though so don't sweat it if you don't have / can't get any.

Pretty sure you've got the TRS to slot configurations right. I just used a multimeter to trace continuity between the different sections of the connector to the bare wires but again this is just because I had the tool to hand.

A jumper is simply a short piece of wire. I used wire from a freezer bag wrap with the plastic burned off, believe it or not.

>> No.3935087

I still wouldn't risk it as someone that has had their PS2 laser die.

>> No.3935096

Yea i figured i'd get the heatshrink from home depot or radio shack possibly. Although I don't have a heat gun so I may throw that idea out the window.

I'll for sure be posting more questions once I find the time to start doing it. I guess my first question would be where do I cut on the cable to start off? or is that not what I should be doing?

hmm any other household items that can be turned into a jumper?

thanks for the help btw!

>> No.3935106

yeah I'm remembering the specs wrong im sure, but it's mostly spot on

I just need to be able to break 60hz at 1900x1440 and at least 80hz for 1600x1200. I just don't wanna fucking buy a displayport adapter that's shit; I need to know where to get a good one to hold onto for future GPUs

>> No.3935107

better idea: play PS2 games off of an external HDD and only use the disc drive for dvds

>> No.3935115

you still rely on the laser to boot into the HD loader. laser dead, cant run games off HD.

>> No.3935126

Why do you need a laser? I thought FreeMCBoot was the standard PS2 exploit.

>> No.3935127

I think you can just use two graphics cards, with the old one just for video output.

>> No.3935130

The exploit works by reading a ps1 disc.

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I don't have a heat gun either, I used a cigarette lighter at a sensible distance.

Cut the cable wherever suits you. Stripping the insulation...there are recommended lengths in the extron guide sheet.

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Now you're just clutching at straws.

Only to get it loaded onto the memory card / hdd in the first place. Once that's done you literally don't need the optical drive ever again. Heck, you could buy a memory card with FMCB already loaded if your drive is stuffed.

>> No.3935147

i guess you dont actually own one of these things? without the disc and files on the memory card the exploit doesn't work. it won't boot with just the files on the memory card, period.

>> No.3935148

If you have a phat, you can install it with only a harddrive.

>> No.3935152

You probably have an old version or are using a different method. FMCB works without a disc on two separate PS2s.

>> No.3935153

once fmcb is installed you don't need any disc.
and fcmb can be installed on another console altogether

>> No.3935154
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I do actually own one of these things you dunce. I've had it set up over 3 years and use it pretty much every day.


>> No.3935156

*for me. Not just two specific models.

>> No.3935159

i see the ps2 scene has progressed beyond using the independence exploit all the time, my bad.

>> No.3935170
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>independence exploit

Fuck man, have you been living in a cave? You know that we've had a black PUSA and now it's some guy off tv who used to say "You're fired" a lot.

>> No.3935295

>On top of that, most VCRs compress the SHIT out of whatever you pipe into them for recording, like it's a very, very severe compressor.

It it worth recording gameplay to regular VHS tape on a basic cheapo brand VCR or will the quality be shit (worse than commercial Hollywood movies VHS tapes)?

This guy managed to record higher quality video on VHS than commercial tapes:

>> No.3935301

Buy it now without hesitation.

These are the best curved CRTVs, don't let trolls tell you otherwise.

Their curve is very gentle and makes other brands look like fishbowls.

>> No.3935310
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The fact that they're only curved in one plane is obviously a factor.

It is worth saying though that spherical section tubes are still better from a purely technical standpoint. Ikegami's best regarded models are a case in point.

>> No.3935329

I was referring specifically to audio compression with that quote. I mean if you want to tape your gameplay, go for it. It's easy, and if you did it in your youth it might be nostalgic or whatever. I don't see the point with USB capture cards costing about $3, but that's just me, you do you anon-kun.

>> No.3935473

this might be a bit much to ask, but when you get round to doing this would you mind making a video of it? I'm gonna get an extron at some point and I just can't get my head around how stripping these wires and where to wire them all in works.

>> No.3935503

>BDs have uncompressed hi-res audio
Most only support PCM up to 5.1 channels
There's very few 7.1 PCM encodes(most being DTS)

Either way neither of those are uncompressed. They're still compressed compared to the analog master audio

>> No.3935513

DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD are lossless.

>> No.3935518

yeah >>3935503 is what I'm referring to

>> No.3935519

>It it worth recording gameplay to regular VHS tape
Well, it will retain the smoothness of your CRT monitor's Motion Clarity at least unlike digital capture cards

>> No.3935523


>> No.3935532

We're talking about things you hear, so it's going to be subjective at any rate. Lossless vs uncompressed is pretty negligible, as is the whole point of lossless. All I was trying to say in my original post >>3934746 is that BD was the first format to meet or exceed LD in basic audio quality.

>> No.3935550


What the fuck are you going on about? Digital audio on LD is practically identical to CD Audio, and DVD audio tracks are more or less within the capability of CD-A. LD is certainly a step up from VHS, but you have to be ignorant to claim it's objectively better than DVD

>> No.3935568

It's not 'practically identical' it is literally CD audio on an LD. DVD audio on the vast majority of commercial video releases is compressed, low bit-rate junk. It's not ignorance, LD audio is actually, objectively better from a pure 'audio quality' standpoint. There's no two ways around it. DVDs have some advantages like digital surround, which LDs do not have, but the stereo audio quality is, simply, better.

>> No.3935583

I stand corrected, NTSC LDs actually have marginally better than CD quality sound, PAL LDs have CD quality. Laserdiscs can support AC-3 audio for digital surround but it was late in the formats life. DVDs, while technically capable of higer quality audio than LD, by and large used AC-3 which is lossy by definition, with the big exception of DVD-A discs as other anon and I discussed earlier.

>> No.3935609

do you listen to music from laserdisc

>> No.3935610
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dude you are fucking dumb

>> No.3935670 [DELETED] 

>knows literally nothing about digital audio
>posts the back of a dvd box
>dude lmao

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>> No.3935685

the fucking point was regular DVD (video) can use PCM, it's decently common in musical themed DVDs (NOT DVD-A) because musical material is already PCM.
it was also fairly common at DVD launch. It's also used by small studios because no dolby royalties.

Also, what part of L-PCM Stereo or PCM Stereo did you not see on pic.

>> No.3935694

sorry for being a dick, I know what you're saying and I don't wholly disagree. DVD is a much more flexible format so direct comparisons are difficult due to the breadth of audio formats theoretically available on any given disc.

>> No.3935709

You've admitted it yourself that DVD is just as capable with audio as CD or LD in the form of LPCM. How are they not functionally equivalent in that respect? Just because AC-3 is available doesn't make DVD a lesser format, and you've presented no evidence that these forms of lossy compression are audibly worse anyway, bad masters or otherwise. LD was no more immune to bad sound mastering than any other format. On the same grounds, you might as well accuse LD of being an inferior format because it had the option of analog audio. DVD's sound like shit? Get DVDs that weren't produced like shit.

>> No.3935748

ok so i stripped both left and right. I see that there is wiring within insulation and outside of it. I twisted them so I could easily identify which is in and which is out.

Now I'm not sure what really to do from here... is the wiring inside the insulation the tip or sleeve?

>> No.3935751

Also I could definitely do a video about this once I've done it a few times. Maybe I'll make a webm out of it. I'm probably going to make six or seven. So i'm sure I'll start pumping them out quickly once I get a handle on how to do it.

>> No.3935775



>> No.3935783

Rank the following formats by sound quality measured in SNESes:

VHS (linear mono)
VHS (HiFi Stereo)
CD (redbook)
128bitrate MP3
Youtube music vid at 480p
Type I cassette tape with Dolby switch on

With the assumption that:
CD (redbook) = 4 SNESes in sound quality

>> No.3935785

you made this way too complicated

>> No.3935795

SNES sound quality is determined by the quality of its sound sampled.

One could, theoretically, make an SNES cart with a 4MB high quality sample set and have a custom decoder to have the game data addressable as needed, and have redbook quality music.

>> No.3935830

along with this, What should i try making my jumper cables out of? I'm trying to look it up online but for the most part i only see the clamps called jumper cables. Would love some help so i can test out my extron tonight

>> No.3935953
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Rip /CRT/. Welcome /VHS/LD/.

>> No.3936000

To the anons attempting to make Extron audio patchcords:

First off, I have neither the facilities nor time to make a tutorial video at the present moment. Sorry.

Second, nobody has specified which type of connectors they are intending to hook up. RCA? 3.5mm jack? Something else? Stereo? Mono pairs The following link may be of some further help:

Third, jumpers can be ANY conductive material which physically fits into the connector and will reach between the points you wish to bridge. Paperclips would work in a pinch.

Lastly, I can see why everything has moulded plugs these days and people are no longer advised to wire their own appliances...

>> No.3936007

I would use cat5 cables, but i have alot of it hanging around the house. use blue for left+, white/blue for left-. Orange for right+, white/orange for right-. The wires in cat5 are paired, and twisted, the twist reduces crosstalk and interference like a shield does with rca cables.

Or any shielded cable you could find, like a good rca cable. Just cut the end off, strip the jacket and shove the shield in the channels- pin, and the center into the +.

>> No.3936013

Oh, you just want a jumper between Pins.

Like anon said earlier, literally anything conductive. You could just cut a piece of scrap off the wire you're working on and use that.

>> No.3936035

>Browsing every thrift store, big and small in my area
>None of them carry CRTs anymore (Over half of them won't even accept one)
>Check Craigslist in my area, nothing but shit tier, poorly kept tubes for 150-200 bucks

What the fuck, I thought you guys said people would practically -pay- me to take CRTs off of them

>> No.3936041

Yes, I use one with one of my pc crt monitors. Ya gotta question?

>> No.3936070

Wikipedia indicates display port doesnt have real vga pins. It's sending a signal and the adapter has to do the dac shit.

Don't cheap out on your dac obviously, but I have no recommendations.

>> No.3936098

I want to kill you right now

>> No.3936109

Thank hipsters and retards for fucking up the retro gaming market

>> No.3936131

It ended up not turning on, someone else had bought it

>> No.3936141

I ended up testing it out without the jumper and it worked fine. Although I'm sure the jumper is needed for better sound quality or something else important.

But so basically I can just run anything so long as it fits

>> No.3936186

Anyone have any experience with Panasonic BT models? How are they compared to their PVM counter parts?

>> No.3936501

panasonic = jvc basically
BT-H are multiformat, flat, aperture, but they have no stock inputs and RGB input card is rare and expensive.

>> No.3936532

resolution and framerate you run at? have you maxed it out?
thanks, this helps a bit

>> No.3936567

Yeah you might be at risk of a ground loop if you run without the jumper.

Listen for 50/60hz hum in the output. If you get some, install the jumpers.

>> No.3936568

I got my crt which I've used the most from a exchange student neighbor who was moving away. Think out of the box anon, CRTs are so shit that people wont even try to sell them on fleamarkets anymore. You need to go to the source, not the middleman.

>> No.3936675


Continuing on this theme, this is why if you are persistent you can get really nice sets for cheap. To the vast majority of people, even a PVM/BVM just looks like worthless old junk. Keep at it. I got two matching PVM-20n5u (admittedly non-RGB but still) by posting a picture of one on Facebook and asking if any of my friends had seen something that looked like that lying around their offices or schools. The response was "yeah but why would anyone want a shitty old beige TV". People don't know.

>> No.3936685

people have been doing this with NES

>> No.3936708
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>tfw I wasn't quick enough

>> No.3936717


A matched pair with cases and they're only 50 Good Boy Points?

I'd think monitors would be cheaper in the UK since your normal CRTs have SCART. Eliminates one of the big reasons to buy one that we have here in the US. Is that the case?

>> No.3936756

I see some for retard prices on craigslist, and a few are reasonable, but I see far more tubes for free on the side of the road.

At this point, all the rich and middle income people alhave already upgraded so it's in the poor neighborhoods.

>> No.3936991

I'll run some paper clips as a jumper, or maybe cut up some old shitty earbuds. Would the earbuds wire work?

>> No.3937062

That's fucking tragic. I once missed out on a XP37 Xtra (for $100 locally). I was even in contact with the seller, but then they took money from somebody out of state.

I couldn't bring myself to look for CRTs for over a year after that.

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If the conduct electricity they will work.

Are you hard of hearing or did you simply not believe me the first three times I told you this?

>> No.3937071

It's not like I'm lacking large CRTs (have a 27" Profeel and 29" Profeel Pro "cube" already) but having a pair of big ol' multisyncs for next to nothing would have been the icing on the cake.

Guess I'll have to keep looking...

>> No.3937306

Yea I heard you, I'm just super paranoid when it comes to things like this so I always try to triple check with people. Bad habit I suppose

>> No.3937395

i couldn't source 5POS connectors cheaply and happened to already have 3POS...

i chopped off one and glued it to an unaltered one to get my five bangers.

such a pain.

>> No.3937480

I have one of these and IMO with the right desktop config settings the games will look about exactly like they seem with a wii doing 480i composite, but with some color bleeding here and there but nothing too terrible. I still prefer it to letterboxing on an lcd sometimes but if you're like me it won't take you long to want the real deal

>> No.3937590
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was going to go in and mess with the rings to see if i could fix this purity issue so i open my pvm up
and it looks like all the rings are glued together

>> No.3937681

gotta break the seal, that's standard issue.

>> No.3937686

can you put a lot of pressure on it without the whole thing breaking? when i first tried to move them it made a bunch of creaking noises i didnt wanna put anymore force into it

>> No.3937687

cut the glue between the rings

>> No.3937689

>>3937687 has it right, razor blade the glue

>> No.3937778
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well dicking with the rings didnt affect my purity issue so maybe its just really really magnetized and my degauss wont fix it
i dont want to spend 60 bucks on a degauss ring

>> No.3937780

mate, i saw those before they were sold but couldn't afford them at the time.

>> No.3937998

see if you can put a magnet somewhere that fixes it.

>> No.3938028


Fucking sexy "RGB" and "Y/C" buttons

If I get one of those will it also work with my WEGA flatscreen?

>> No.3938086
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Your basic stuff like power, volume, channel select etc will but most likely not some of the more specific functions.

I'd much rather you sent it to me to use with my 2950QM though...

>> No.3938253

I also want to split an HDMI signal, and have one go to a composite capture card I have because I am a cheap bastard; I know that this isn't /vr/ related though.

You have the radioshack one? Does it need any powering? How does it handle things like emulated NES or GBA games?

>> No.3938321

My pvm 20L2 does this sort of intermittent horizontal waving at the edges of the screen, Is it a voltage problem?

>> No.3938703
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>found out about using a magnet and a drill to fix the issue
>did this until it looked pretty much perfect like on the left
>turned pvm off and turned it on 20 mins later to degauss just to be safe
>most of the patches of impurity came back

>> No.3938719

Turn it so the screen faces either east or west.

Shortbof opening 'er up and messing with the yoke it's the only way to effect a permanent fix.

>> No.3938721

Short of*

>> No.3938723

i dunno ive been magnetting it and resetting it for the last 30 mins and it seems to get a little better each time its getting my hope up

>> No.3938761

Believe me you're not going to beat the earth's magnetic field but feel free to keep trying.

>> No.3938769

The magic of a CRT.

>> No.3938783
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Aunt came into some old stuff and among it was this, managed to get it from her

It says it's a Hitachi Instavision RGB computer display but aside from that i cant find a model number?

I'm quite new to CRTs and can't find much on it, anyone got an idea on pricing and if it's considered a good CRT?

It's in near mint condition I'd say

>> No.3938807

considering that really high end brands like barco used hitachi tubes my guess would be that it could be quite decent. If it says RGB - what connectors are on the back? If it has RGB go for it and send some pics

>> No.3938816
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It's only got rf i think and that other connector for monitor mode

Either way I'm gonna use it for my consoles, just wanted to try and find out if it was worth much/any good

>> No.3938843

Must be pre-1982 then.

I've heard bad things about the Instavision tubes in terms of reliability. That said if it's still ticking they must have replaced it back in the day or it was a good 'un straight from the factory. Not had much luck turning up a pinout for that DIN connector or a service manual in general.

Please don't mention pricing if you intend to keep it, or at all for that matter. All you'll do is rustle the anti-scalper brigade...

>> No.3938874

Much older than i thought then, my aunt bought a house and the previous owner died but they didn't remove his stuff, he was into radios and electrical engineering and had about 900 radio valves so it's possible he replaced the tube in it

>> No.3938984

whats the best way of cleaning a Cathode Rays monitor ? theres some annoying stuff

>> No.3939310

Anyone have that picture that showed how pixel art in the day took advantage of how CRT's displayed stuff? It was some dark blue scene and the shadows looked weird until you displayed it on a CRT.

>> No.3939326
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You mean the face one where RGB has grey shadows and composite blends them?

It has nothing to do with CRTs as such but rather composite false color artifacts. Much like the old CGA over composite tricks used back in the early 80s.

>> No.3939331

The filename is reversed btw. RGB is on the left, composite on the right.


>> No.3939350

Found the model number, it's a cpt 1644

Can't find anything online about it tho, would like an age estimate

>> No.3939357
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Looks like it was still actively supported through 1985 though its origins clearly predate Channel 4.

>> No.3939573

Are N64's able to display RGB on Sony PVM's without modding the console? If not is it possible for the PVM to allow both RGB and RCA cables simutaneously?

>> No.3939672

>Are N64's able to display RGB... without modding the console

>If not is it possible for the PVM to allow both RGB and RCA cables simutaneously?
Assuming you mean plug in one console with RGB and one with composite* (it's not called RCA), then yes.
Additionally, you could use s-video with the N64. there will be no problems with this setup, either.

>> No.3939683
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I have this absolute dinosaur of a TV set which was my fathers.

>> No.3939687
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These were the only connections on the back of the set.

>> No.3939697
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The uhf vhf plugs into this tuner pcb which then plugs into the main pcb on the bottom of the set. It appears to be an composite type cable, but I'm confused as to why they wouldn't have it as an option on the back?

>> No.3939698

Old 80s trinitrons are so sexy. Enjoy games in RF as the developers intended.

>> No.3939704 [DELETED] 
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This was high tech in the 60's.

>> No.3939709 [DELETED] 

No, RF is garbage. I think this predates the 80's although I could be wrong. Sony KV 1515 is the model. I was going to use it for a MAME cabinet.

>> No.3939718
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I guess you're right, it's from 81. I could have sworn it was older than that. It's strange the had the composite jack internally, but not external.

>> No.3939719

The way the screen curves is so sexy.

>> No.3939725

I think it may be just an RCA style plug, but the signal is not composite. You could try plugging a composite video cable into it but I highly doubt you'll get anything out of it.

>> No.3939754
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How do I replace electrolytic capacitors? How do I know which ones I need to replace?

>> No.3939762

Okay that sucks. The jack that goes to the main PCB is an L shaped to accommodate the tube. I'm going to pick up a female / female composite adapter anyway just to be sure.

>> No.3939768

I wouldn't mess around with the capacitors on a TV set unless you know what you're doing. It's a good way to kill yourself.

>> No.3939781
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So other than messing around with the capacitors, how can I fix pic related?
The top half of the screen is shifted slightly to the left right above where it says shuffle and the top part is all fucked up.
The service menu didn't help for this.

>> No.3939935

Attempting a MikeJMoffit style OSD hack on my trinitron to get RGB inputs. Anyone here know how to read a datasheet? I can tell that pins 59, 58 and 57 are my R G and B but what controls the OSD blanking signal?

>> No.3939936

Oh yeah, the data sheet would help:


>> No.3939984

was there a setting called "sexy"? might fix the middle.

>> No.3939997
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Pin 60, from the looks of it.

Apply a high enough voltage and you -should- get full screen blanking for your RGB input.

>> No.3940006

Ah, this was the one I suspected as well. For voltage, would you guess 3.3V?

>> No.3940043

I've never done an OSD hack of any sort, so I can't say, but if unsure, I'd start lower than higher. Since 3.3v is listed in the diagram, it'd be the safe point to start at.

Not gonna pretend I'm terribly good at reading schematics like these either, but it seems 57-60 are located in the MCU portion of the die, so they might be expecting 5V instead

>> No.3940096
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man n64 rgb is sharp

>> No.3940113

One step closer to a 0 A press run

>> No.3940232

Would a Sony KV-32V65 tube be good for nes - psx era games?

>> No.3940269

Welp, its dead now anyways. I must have bridged two connections that shouldn't get bridged or something cause it never displays video, just blinks the power light in an error code.

Feels bad man. I won't be trying this again.

>> No.3940275
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It probably IS composite tbqh.

You need to remember that back in '81 very few pieces of AV kit in the home actually used it though. That is, if you were wealthy enough to have anything beyond the TV receiver itself.

VCRs would use RF loop-through.
Games consoles and home computers were RF.
Errr...that's about it.

>> No.3940345
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I have the opportunity to get pic related (but with grey casing) for next to nothing.

Bad idea y/n?

>> No.3940362

Find information on if they use proprietary apple connectors. You might need an adapter or special cord.

>> No.3940365

Pretty good Diamontron tubes in those to my knowledge; Upset that I missed out on two of them a year or so ago.

Literally nothing in my area CRT related anymore.

>> No.3940375
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can anyone identify pic related?

>> No.3940378
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>> No.3940379

right its a sony trinitron but why type?

>> No.3940383

The one I'm looking at comes with the DVI to ADC adaptor box.

The info I've seen suggests it's a Trinitron and only the 17" models had a Mitsubishi tube.

>> No.3940384

An FD one.

>> No.3940389

32FS13/17 or maybe a 36'' of the same model.

Perhaps you're right. It'd make for a good monitor either way.

>> No.3940390

thank you

>> No.3940392


>> No.3940525
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Would there be any problems with using one of these s-video splitters with two RCA splitters for the audio to hook two consoles into a single s-video port? Any loss in quality or gain in input delay or anything like that?

>> No.3940621

What are you trying to accomplish?

>> No.3940645


Hooking two consoles into a single s-video port so that I don't have to pull my TV out and switch the cables every time I want to change consoles.

>> No.3940746

The one I'm looking at has RGB.

>> No.3940770

Thanks for the encouraging words. I ordered ten composite couplers on Amazon for the price of one at RadioShack. I'm conflicted about ripping the tube out of this thing to use for my MAME project, but it's been sitting in the garage collecting dust and all of the arcade trinitrons on ebay are so damn expensive. I really need a 15" reinforced metal frame to hold this thing in place and I don't know if they make frames to retrofit TV CRTs in arcade cabinets. I don't trust wood to hold this thing in place. If anyone knows of a place where I could buy such a thing, this would help make my decision for me.

>> No.3940916

Why not talk to a metal fabrication company?

Im sure if you got the measurements they would make you something.

>> No.3940962
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Would a degauss coil have any effect on a CRT metal shell? I only get purity issues when the shell is on but every time I take it off to adjust the purity rings it looks fine.
is my only option magnet strips?

>> No.3940975

>arcade trinitrons
Can't say I've ever seen one of those

>> No.3941123

I've tried that one and I get a staticy image. I use this one
no static. Better grounding maybe?

Rereading your post you'd actually be better off with a basic mechanical switch:
No loss of quality or input delay, and this will let you hook up to 4 consoles.

>> No.3941179

Hey fellas, quick question. Is a flat screen crt worth getting? its 40 bucks

>> No.3941223
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>paying for a CRT

>> No.3941276

Not for $40 considering how plentiful those late-models are at Goodwill and the like. Unless it's one of the Panasonic TAU models.
Maybe $25 is as much as I'd pay for a WEGA.

>> No.3941370
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I'm having a weird problem with hooking up my PAL Wii to my sony PVM over RGB.

I'm using a 3rd party scart cable to hook it up, this one exactly: https://www.amazon.de/RGB-Scartkabel-f%C3%BCr-Nintendo-Wii-Mini/dp/B016F3UBN6/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=E002NTEXHA4QDS5AKXJV

Anyway when I plug it in the video comes out like pic related.
In the thread that image came from (i can't take my own right now so i just google searched for something) that guy said he found out the problem came from the RGB connections soldered incorrectly inside his cable. I don't know anything about soldering, but shouldn't swapping around the RGB inputs on my monitor do the same? I tried this a bunch but no dice. I got a whole bunch of other trippy colour set-ups but couldn't get the colours to be normal.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I also heard some people on the net saying they had a similar problem with differences in NTSC and PAL mode... but mine is a PAL system, running on a PAL monitor. I also get no difference by launching PAL or NTSC ROMs.
Btw, my PS2 runs fine on this... so it's not the monitor.

>> No.3941375

I wouldn't pay shit for WEGA. You get those for free.

>> No.3941476


Ah, there was one combination of the cables I hadn't tried. Found it and got perfect colours. I guess the shitty cable is in fact wired incorrectly.

>> No.3941543

Bought a WEGA KV-27FS100 27", everything seems fine except the component cable jack isn't displaying properly at all on my consoles. How dangerous/complicated would it be to just fix that myself? Can anyone who is knowledgeable point me in the right direction?

>> No.3941637

>component cable jack isn't displaying properly at all on my consoles.
Can you explain exactly what is happening, and with which consoles?

>> No.3941708
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>plug in composite everything is fine
>plug in ps2 component cable
>very dull colors picture zig zags and degrades until nothing

picture of system configuration screen on ps2

>> No.3941818

from the main ps2 menu you press down then x then down 3 times then x then left then X. that should work. Also check the multi-out connector on the ps2's side, unseat and reseat.

>> No.3941898


>> No.3941906

>Björk is over 50-years old.

>> No.3942458

made it worse, component works on a different tv correctly

so it's the crts jack right?

>> No.3942489

Is there a good compromise between the picture quality of a PVM and the size of a large set?

>> No.3942514
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Does anyone here have experience with extron matrix switchers? I'm thinking of picking one up, but can this particular one for Component also do S-Video and Composite provided all of the cables for the inputs and outputs are in correctly?

>> No.3942598

presentation monitors.

>> No.3942606
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go large or go home

>> No.3942621
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large pvm
joking aside, >>3942598 is right

>> No.3942713

What models/brands of professional monitor support sync on green?

What models/brands of professional monitor have passive cooling (no fans)?

>> No.3942805

sync on green for 240p/480i or sync on green for 480p+?

>> No.3942812

Must be. If the component cable works on another set, the PS2 is not stuck in RGB-display mode, and the connector is seated correctly, then the issue is likely the tv or its jacks.

If you have a Wii or Xbox with component cables try connecting those to the tv and see if they display like the ps2.

>> No.3942815

Projectors are fucking terrible.

They're like rear-projection. You need perfect viewing conditions for it to look good, and when it's good it's barely better than a normal. Then you have way harsher maintenance costs since bulbs are fucking expensive.

Don't even consider a projector.

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>> No.3942834

CRT projector dude. Needs to be dark, and yeah setup and maintenance is a pain, but a good CRT projector looks better than pretty much anything on the market today. At higher resolutions, the picture is very smooth and natural, since you don't have any sort of pixels or aperture grilles, shadowmasks, etc. between the image and the screen.

>> No.3942835

Anything that does component can probably do anything else. If it's only SD though, it will probably only handle SD, but HD will probably do SD fine.

>> No.3942836

Later consumer Trinitrons with flat screens have more tv lines of resolution than early PVMs. They are very sharp when calibrated correctly, and dirt cheap.

>> No.3942859

Extron still offers the manuals for pretty much all of their products up front and available to anyone who feels like looking up a model on their website.

Personally just picked up a Crosspoint 300 HVA, and it'll take pretty much anything you could want: RGBHV, RGBS, RGsB, YPbPr, Y/C, or CVid. S-Video would need a somewhat specialized adapter to connect to two separate BNCs, but it wouldn't be that difficult to put together.

Do you even have a specific model you're looking at?

>> No.3942867

Basically >>3942834 and additionally: CRT projectors don't tolerate ambient light very well. Modern compact projectors can put out much more light, and that's great for slideshows and other presentations. CRTs have a much higher contrast ratio, however, it amounts to fuck-all in a room that isn't reasonably dark. Tube lifetime is something of a complicated topic. If they're configured properly and you use the set for many years, it can work out cheaper than buying DLP/LCD projectors and their respective bulbs over the same time frame. A substantial commitment in other ways, though.

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>> No.3942959

Has anybody ever experienced an NTSC game not fitting entirely on their screen when playing on a PAL console? I have a modchipped PS1 and while playing CAPCOM's JJBA fighting game a decent portion of the game screen appears below the screen's bottom border. This makes the game hard to play since the super meter is barely visible.Didn't happen with any other NTSC games, like CTR. The CRT is JVC AV-2132W1.

>> No.3943076

How fast do the electrons inside a tube move?

>> No.3943078

really fast

>> No.3943089

Nah, just want something that's gonna work well for my needs that would be able to take in those signals. Could you pass audio through the BNC ports too?

>> No.3943093

299,792,458 meters per second

>> No.3943102

To make my question shorter and simpler, is the screen offset problem caused by the CRT, the cables or the console?

>> No.3943104

okay thank

>> No.3943124

I've had the same problem with Capcom games tbqh, they don't seem to take overscan into account.

I just adjusted the raster size to fit them and let other games be a tiny bit too small. Of course with a BVM it's piss-easy as you can set up a dedicated channel just for difficult situations such as this.

>> No.3943140

Unfortunately, this is not the case for me, I just have a consumer grade CRT from cykablyatland. Finding a PVM/BVM in here is next to impossible.
The game has screen adjust option but it doesn't allow to move the screen "up" on y-axis

>> No.3943217

>Could you pass audio through the BNC ports too?
No; You'd want one of the "HVA" models in that case, which can route audio as well.
That's what those little blue connectors on the bottom of the image you posted are for.

How many inputs and how many outputs would you be looking for?

>> No.3943257

Just keep looking. Also from Australia and I have 4 or 5 PVMs and 4 BVMs, all for under $400 each. My PVM-2950QM was $250 and my BVM-20F1 was $100.

>> No.3943370

where abouts from??

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>> No.3943416

im from there too. Do you mind helping me track one?

I've been dying to get a BVM-20 forever

>> No.3943420

Are you guys gonna fuck now or what?

>> No.3943509

Let's hope so.

Anon looking for love and BVMs.

>> No.3943532

A based redditor (contradiction, I know) just posted a guide on r/emulation about configuring retroarch to display 240p on a CRT monitor.

Check these scanlines out: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPczBsT4vzRY9FXj67XKtdSj1CdGgbO-5V_7jItVEXpzN7nzrRStgT6bXsaB6ozuw?key=SFZOQjhsZmU1QTFDc3d1NHZpM2F2NHJKbFp2a0dB

>> No.3943543

/r/crtgaming has a lot of crossover with /crt/, I'm certain of it. You should join the Discord as well.

>> No.3943556

8(preferably more) inputs and 6 or more outputs.

I am aware the blue connectors are for audio, but is there really no way an audio signal could be passed through the BNC ports(like the Hue and Variance ports)? Why is that?

>> No.3943570

PVM 2030, 2530, and 1390.

>> No.3943698

anybody know a good svideo switcher? bought a generic one on amazon and it causes heavy ghosting no matter what cable i use

>> No.3943702

Big Vidya Men

>> No.3944147

How can I tell if speakers are shielded or not?

I have a pair of cheap but large Sony speakers that I want to put beside my CRTV to upgrade the audio. I think they were originally part of a stereo package, not sold as separates as HiFi components.

Is there a danger that my CRTV's picture will be be fucked up by the magnets in the speakers?
Will any distorsion be permanent, temporary, or momentary?

Is there some rule of thumb how close you can put speakers next to CRTs?

>> No.3944157

What kind of sync does a PS1 output when using RGB?

Separate sync?
Sync on luma
Sync on composite?
Sync on green?

>> No.3944168

ps1 doesn't have a pure sync out pin (and not trace to tap on the board IIRC) , so you have to use either composite video or Svideo luma for sync.

>> No.3944169

>How can I tell if speakers are shielded or not?
Many smartphones support gauss meter detector apps.

AV Surround or computer speakers from the 90s or earlier are generally shielded, HiFi speakers of any vintage are generally not.

>> No.3944181

There is a raw sync output on the VDP. You can tap into it and pass it through a 220uF capacitor + 75ohm resistor combination to the composite video pin on the multi-av port.

That said sync on luma is more than adequate unless your intended display won't accept anything but raw.

>> No.3944264

just bought a sony trinitron model KV-14V5U, anyone know anything about it? mainly want to know if it can play 60 hz and if the scart is RGB

>> No.3944267

and most scart cables are wired with composite video as sync.

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Shouldn't you have used google BEFORE you bought it?

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>> No.3944384

Oh well, the I guess you'll have to wait until it shows up broken

>> No.3944409

its ok, i already know it works

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>> No.3944484
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Its a Sony Trinitron KV32FD1E

looks almost identical to the Sony GDM fw900, but is it as good ??

and its up for around 150$, cant find much info on it on google

>> No.3944495

>HD15 input @ 800x600

Not much cop for retro gaming tbqh. The styling is cool though

>> No.3944605

This is a known concern with CRT projectors, and nintendo just didn't want liability for someone not knowing to turn down the contrast on their set when playing a game for an extended period of time.

>> No.3944632

I heard that the PS2 can output RGB with sync on green through a component cable.

Does this work for PS1 games in 240p?
Does this work for PS2 games in 480i?
Does this work for DVD kino in 480i?
Does this work for PS1/PS2 CD player mode in 480i?

I don't care about 480p.

>> No.3944635

It outputs sync on green only in progressive modes

>> No.3944638

on 480p and above I should have said

>> No.3944876

What brand/model of CRTV has the best audio quality of their built-in speakers?

>> No.3944958

nothing from the mid 90s forward. Even junk 80s sets sound great compared to later ones. You just need to get comfortable with mono

>> No.3944961

Woah this is a shocking statement. I guess it's good we all have extrons now so we can run our audio into whatever else it is we use.

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I have a Philips CRT I got in 2004, it has component video, s-video-and some other ports like a side a/v in with headphone option (lol) . It seems to have served me well but I'm wondering if I should just spring for a Trinitron with similar input options.

>> No.3944986

I suppose that's because they used one large mono speaker instead of two small stereo speakers.

I am looking at 90s CRTVs and later that have at least S-video.
Is there any difference in sound quality (SQ) between various brands, models, and sizes or are all stereo TV speakers basically junk?

>> No.3945021

oh that's that rare set with front and rear VGA ports. pretty cool, it does look like a giant fw900. Its a television so it won't do the same high resolutions as a pc crt but it should still have great picture quality

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Generally, the bigger the set, the better the speakers will probably be. Maybe look for a Mitsubishi console TV. They're pretty hard to find, but they seem to hit the right marks.

Mine's from 1988 and does have S-Video. Big stereo speakers on each side, the size of the grills are a little misleading (the actual speaker only fills about the middle 1/3rd of each pillar) but they do sound great, at least IMO.

Mitsubishi also made models like this except the speakers were on the bottom, sometimes with a little glass door like an entertainment center. I believe those are a bit more common.

>> No.3945038

that's a really broad question. the broad answer is high-end Japanese sets from the '90s-2000s, as usual. I don't think any sets have a reputation for legendary sound quality, but there are plenty of Toshiba HF series and Sony XBRs with built-in subs and high wattage speakers.

>> No.3945053

adding to this, any decent crt's speakers will sound much more powerful than a comparable LED flat screen's speakers. in theory I'd think that crts with speakers to each side of the screen would sound better than those with the speakers squashed into the bottom, but I've got a bottom blaster KV-27TS36 from 1993 and it sounds great.

>> No.3945065

I mean you can run your audio into anything you want with minimal effort, so it's not a big deal regardless.

>> No.3945068

What model number is this Phillips TV? There's a family member who wants to give me a 20-inch one from the same year except there's no AV2 on the back.

Does it output audio from all channels, not just what's in the AV port? The info I've been able to find online is vague about this(if yours does there's a good chance mine could too)

>> No.3945143


I think thats it

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I have a Sharp component mts. I don't know much about CRTs but the picture quality doesn't seem that great (though I've only played twisted metal 2 and a handful of nes games on it thus far). Would I benefit much by waiting to play these on a proper setup? I'm.wanting to play through the RE trilogy and DC games; I haven't played through many of said games since my childhood so I don't mind waiting a little longer to get the ideal setup if the consensus is it will be worth it. I plan on mostly playing nes-PS1 games.

>> No.3945353

Hey come on don't do that to good ol Philip! It's serving you well and you're going to just give him the boot for a trunk?!

That's cold

>> No.3945408

>Hue and Variance ports
Those are Horizontal and Vertical Sync, and would actually be the least likely to support anything like that because they don't just buffer the inputs, they also condition and restore the sync being fed in .

You'd want to keep audio to the inputs specifically labeled for audio.

That said, if you're looking for 8+ in and 6+ out, you'd want something labeled 128 HVA or higher. 128 is the number of inputs and outputs, being 12 and 8, and HVA notes that it supports audio routing as well. Make sure you actually check the photos for the auction(s) in question as you'll see tons labeled 128 HVA not having actually having that number of inputs/outputs or not running audio.

If you wanted to go even higher, you can get pretty silly with inputs and outputs; Extron made 12, 16, and 32ct varieties, so if you just want to go absolutely moronic, there's shit like the 3232 for 32 in and 32 out.

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DVD-Videos sometimes have LPCM audio.

I have two Taylor Swift concert DVDs and they have LPCM 2.0 in addition to Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 is also available in Journey to Fearless.

Also, the US DVD (Bandai and Discotek version) of 5 Centimeters Per Second is in LPCM 2.0 for both the Japanese and English versions in addition to a Dolby Digital 4.0 track for the Japanese version, the English dub included is the Bandai version, the ADV release only includes Dolby Digital 2.0 audio for the Japanese version and Dolby Digital 5.1 for the English dub.

I have both releases of 5 Centimeters Per Second, in addition to the Japanese Limited Edition DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-ray as well as the Hong Kong Deluxe Edition Blu-ray and the US Blu-ray.

Another example is the first release of the Japanese DVD of The Voices of a Distant Star.
The later budget release and most international releases no longer has LPCM audio and is only Dolby Digital but has an English dub and Korean dub to compensate.

Also, DVD Dolby Digital and DTS is superior to LaserDisc Dolby Digital and DTS, but the mixes are sometimes different between the two so you sometimes can't really compare.

I have an Onkyo 6.1 surround system to go with my D32E1WU BVM on my game room and it sounds and looks amazing, even for VHS tapes.

>> No.3945680

what are its limit in terms of emulation? can it do cps3?

>> No.3945745

I loved 5cmps. You are a cool person. Place Promised in our Younger Days was alright. Patema Inverted was really good.

>> No.3945746

You seen Kimi no Na wa yet?

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Yeah, I love Makoto Shinkai's films as well as Studio Ghibli.
Patema Inverted wasn't a Shinkai film and I haven't seen it yet but I am planning to since I might be interested.

Yeah, it was great.

Anyways, a test photo of a DVD player playing Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind and composite on the Samsung CRT on my bedroom.

Might plug in component next time when I buy an extra cable.

>> No.3945917

Threadly reminder that inline made professional matrix switchers with RCA ports:


>> No.3946004

Hey! I told ya already, stop impersonating me!

What's the point of namefagging if anyone can use your name?

>> No.3946007

Time to whip out those two level trip codes please.
I wouldn't want to not be able to tell which exact namefag's post i'm currently reading.

>> No.3946012

Or we could, you know, just stop namefagging?

>> No.3946015

Well, you're the one doing it right now so...

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So this is not technically retro, but no where else will have the knowledge to answer this.

I'm looking to play my new consoles (360, PS3, PS4) on my VGA CRTs. My FW900 has BNC input but my Dell P990 only has VGA. I also want to play Wii, PS2 and XBOX on these monitors at 480p. Problem is, they support 31Khz minimum, meaning if any game doesn't like progressive scan I'm all out of luck.

So my question is: What's the best way to hook all these up? I've been thinking component to VGA is the best solution. Does anyone know of any good converters at an affordable price? Are there any with a de-interlacer built in that I can switch on to get 480i only games working? And on a side note, are there any good component selector switches?

Thanks for the help. I figure this option will look even better than a BVM due to the higher TVL of VGA monitors but will be a lot cheaper.

Pic is of my KV-14LM running a measly composite signal from a Wii.

>> No.3946328

Sounds like you want an Extron VSC

>> No.3946335
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Guys my crt turned purple

Had this happen years ago to a smaller tv andI threw it out but this tv is 177 pounds and I'd like to fix it.

>> No.3946346

Any specific model? They seem to be quite expensive and there aren't any in the UK, but I'll keep a look out. Thanks.

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Hey guys, definitely not new to the retro scene, but I don't know SHIT about CRTs. I'm picking up a Sony Trinitron KV-27S40 from Craigslist (overpriced, but it's the only one in my area and I hope to talk him down). The guy says it still works like new despite frequent use, so I'm skeptical... I plan on bringing my Saturn with me to test picture quality etc, but that's no guarantee on how long it'll last me. I know commercial televisions aren't optimal compared to professional monitors, but I've heard good things about Sony even though I don't browse these threads too much. I've already blown through some old 20" JVC and Zenith CRTs from my parents' place, and I want this Sony to last me a while...

Tl;dr how much longer do you think a 1998 Trinitron will last me after frequent use? Any tips on maintaining a good picture even if the tube is worn?
I get it if you guys don't want to promote spoonfeeding, thanks for the help in advance

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I'm in the UK and got a VSC 500 for 20 quid.

I also have a DVS 510 which is a LOT more flexible. Lucked out and got it for £30 on ebay but they usually go for quite a bit more than that.

>> No.3946375

Is there anywhere other than eBay I should be looking at? While they seem affordable enough, the only ones on it right now are abroad. Maybe if I look often enough I'll get lucky.

>> No.3946379

You might find something on bblist

>> No.3946380

Can I use composite video sync for RGB connection if monitor in question doesn't support 60hz composite video?

>> No.3946398

My man. I never even knew this existed. Cheers.

>> No.3946402

At least 20 years

>> No.3946438

Ooo, this looks great! Do any of you guys have experience with Inline Matrix Switches? Any things I should be aware of or are they basically the same or better quality than Extrons?

>> No.3946530


Remove anything magnetic near it (this includes speakers).

Try rotating it in a different orientation and see if the earths magnetic field changes it. Turn it off a few times to see if it will degauss. If that doesn't clear it up, a manual deguasser might work.

That CRT looks like something magnetic was on it for a long time though, so it might be fucked.

>> No.3946686

>Any tips on maintaining a good picture even if the tube is worn?

Turn the contrast/picture down to 50%.
This will preserve the life of the phosphors keeping the picture from going dark.
It will also reduce text flicker in 480i and increase detail in bright scenes in 480i or 240p.

>> No.3946704

Tube wear is pretty much a myth, especially for non-critical applications like playing fucking video games. I have two BVMs in front of me, one with 4k hours and the other with 90k - both on the original tubes. Following simple calibration you would be hard pressed to tell one from the other.

The thing to worry about would be transformers, coils and electrolytic capacitors. These will degrade far faster than the tube itself, assuming you don't have contrast yanked up to 11 which is bad practice in any case.

>> No.3946709

I have calibrated the brightness, contrast, sharpness, color, and tint of my CRT and am pleased with the results.

I want to go further into the service menu and reduce the red amplification as consumer CRTVs always had too much red push to attact normies in the TV store showroom.

However I recall from the Crash Bandicoot documentary video the developers said they accounted for this color imbalance when they designed their games.

Can I assume other developers also knew about this and compensated for it?

Should I go ahead and reduce the red output or will it be less authentic?

>> No.3946712

How does one reverse the effects of phosphor decay?
>just turn the lights on in the room dude lmao
Fuck you, it does nothing.

>> No.3946716

It's gonna depend on the game and you'll probably drive yourself crazy trying to find the best fit or constantly messing with it for a different game.

There is a similar issue with GBA games where some devs increased contrast to account for the unlit GBA screens. Some devs stopped doing this when the SPs came out and some didn't. It's why some games like Harmony of Dissonance look garrish when played on an SP/DS/emulator.

>> No.3946854


I don't have anything magnetic near it but I'll try tilting it.

My uncle is giving me his old 60 lcd but I love this old crt for games.

>> No.3946879

Looks like you lost the green gun. When something that should be green shows up on the screen, is it mostly black?

>> No.3946880

Hit the lottery and open up a new CRT factory

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I finally got the remote control for my trinitron with the help of one fellow anon who was nice enough to tell me which was the original remote for my model. I've got rid of the scart icon that was stuck on the screen.

Now, what do these icons mean, and what do they do? (I know it's about the picture)

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>> No.3946902

You'll get another icon for tint if you use an NTSC source
manual settings preset(I think ?)
movie preset
sports preset

>> No.3946918

Why can I only change the contrast from those 4?

>> No.3946930

Aaaaah, figured it out....

>> No.3946937

Probably because you're in the movie preset mode shown in your second pic.

The first option will be fully tweakable.

>> No.3946940

you can't change color or sharpness (or tint) if you use an RGB source

>> No.3947052

How do sharpness settings work exactly?

>> No.3947085

In case some people don't know, its possible to output 240p to a VGA CRT monitor with most graphics cards, including the GTX 10 series.

If you don't have an analog port, use this https://www.amazon.com/Rankie-Plated-DisplayPort-Adapter-Converter/dp/B00Z08TZNU/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493002521&sr=1-3&keywords=displayport+to+vga

and follow this guide,


>> No.3947226

nice maplestory stickers

>> No.3947309

I'm not at home but I'll be back tomorrow and I'll put something green on snd check


>> No.3947460

i think >>3946012 is making a deeper point about tripfags

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in response to all those who claim shipping can't be done.

>Top left
two layers of large bubble wrap(side note, I prefer small bubble wrap but didn't have any)
>Top right
tightly box the monitor with front and back extra layered under cardboard
Lay a foundation of a few styrofoam boards, carefully lower smaller box into 24x24x24 box. Add a layer of air pillows to the front and rear of the monitor, fill the rest of the box with packing peanuts filling ever single crevice.
Your monitor is now ready to be shipped.

>> No.3947775

>2 layers
and you think that's enough ? good luck...

>> No.3947781

Edge contrast.

That's why they introduce light colored halos around dark objects.

>> No.3948181

Page 8, New Thread


>> No.3948437

You think so? That's a relief

Welp, that explains why my JVC died so quickly after playing House of the Dead...

Really? I called up a local TV repair place and asked some similar questions about CRT maintenance, and he treated tube wear like a legitimate issue. I've seen two sides of that coin on other forums, but you guys here seem to know your stuff so I'll take your word for it. I'll keep the transformers, coils, and capacitors in mind though

Thanks for the help, you guys!

>> No.3948846

Stop the fucking namefagging. No one gives shit about your internet persona on anonymous imageboard.

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