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What went wrong?

>> No.3916653
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3916653

>25,000 arcade cabs sold in 1992
>$50,000,000 opening weekend on consoles

>> No.3916665

>>3916637
Kintaro being so hard to beat that you had to cheat just to beat him

>> No.3916668

The 50 junior high schoolers that mobbed around the cabinet. They deprived Midway of my three quarters. What a disaster.

>> No.3916681

>>3916665

t. scrub

>> No.3916684

>>3916637
No Kano or Sonya Blade. Otherwise it was the best pre-reboot MK.

>> No.3916687
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>>3916684
I'm pretty sure they're in most versions
okay sorry

>> No.3916695

Pretty much nothing, it was damn near perfect. Especially for 1993! Goddamn! 2 or 3 more characters could have been nice. Babalities and Friendships were kinda lame. Reptile being able to do Subzero's slide also lame.

>> No.3916726
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>>3916637
The ports. Except pic related, and IIRC the winblows version for some deranged reason.

>> No.3916775

>>3916665
Using jump kicks is not cheating.

>> No.3916880

>>3916726
You mean the Saturn and the DOS version?

>>3916637
Jump kicks and leg sweeps. But I love MK2.

>> No.3916883

Nothing, it was a huge leap in quality from the original game. MK3 and UMK3 don't seem as impressive because MK2 did most of the work of getting MK to where it should have been.

>> No.3916898

>>3916684
i don't care much about sonya but the lack of kano is bad indeed. to me he's the heart of this series

>> No.3916916

>>3916898
CARLOS!

>> No.3916956

>>3916916

>not Ultros

things are too different around here

>> No.3917076
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No arcade perfect ports until emulation.

Saturn and psx came close except loading and shitty music, snes was lower res yet some how almost there, genesis version was developed for 3 button in mind.

None were arcade perfect.

>> No.3917096

>>3917076
32x was the best port not saturn or psx.

>> No.3917115
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>>3916637
They kept the block button.

>>3916665
If you can't beat Kintaro you completely suck balls. Even a retard can flawless him with Sub and one special. And that's if you can't even just jump kick him to death like with everyone else.

>> No.3917118

americans making fighting games.

>> No.3917342
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AI was fucked

>> No.3917349

>>3917342
This is what people who are terrible at games believe.

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>>3916916
i just understood my own joke

>> No.3917437

>>3917349
It's the objective truth. MK AI cheats.

>> No.3917450

>>3917349
The MK II AI is so legendarily fucked up that it could throw you back even when it was under FINISH HIM! state. The developers thought that was just a little too much and removed it in the next version of MK II.

Mortal Kombat AI was made to eat quarters and make people cry. Not to play against. You either exploited the hell out of the AI (Kitana is a favorite for this), or you were going to get OUT FUCKING SKILLED everytime.

Not MK II, but there's the equally fucked up Jade counter in UMK3. If you throw a projectile her way, she does all of these in less than one second:
- run
- activate invincibility move
- pass through your projectile
- combo your ass

She does all of this as the projectile is leaving your hand.

>> No.3917452

>>3917076
The PSX port of MK II was pretty shit, what are you talking about?

>> No.3917457

>>3917437
All AI cheats. It's the only way to make it even semi-challenging. People who cry about getting thrown by MK AI all the time suck at video games though.

>> No.3917458

>>3917457
No, all AI button reads. MK AI blatantly will perform a throw even when they're knocked down flat on the ground and do moves faster than it's possible for the player's character to do.

>> No.3917464

>>3917450
>You either exploited the hell out of the AI

That's any fighting game in single player and why they suck. You just find what it can't handle well and spam it. I used to be able to beat MK2 with just sweeps. No exaggeration. Fighting games single player just suck.

>She does all of this as the projectile is leaving your hand.
It's because she started doing it before the animation for your fireball even started.

>> No.3917468

>>3917458
Well I consider input reading cheating. SF will have characters do charge moves without charging them as well though. But yes, MK is particularly lame. Really unless you're practicing inputs there's no reason to waste your time single player in a fighter.

>> No.3917474

>>3916880
>You mean the Saturn and the DOS version?

The Saturn version was an abomination that stopped to load when you did a special move. If you allowed Shang Tsung to morph, then the game used half resolution sprites. It also used MIDI music from the PC with the most awful soundfont imaginable, it had worse music than the Genesis.

32x port was okay.
There was no MK2 Windows ver, only a DOS one.

>> No.3917481

>>3917468
>there's no reason to waste your time single player in a fighter

I like the challenge and beating the computer at its own game. MKX in particular has fantastic AI that can put up a fight but plays by the same rules you do. It can be done well but most devs are too lazy to give a damn.

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>>3917474
Wow and I didn't think there could be a worse version than the GB port.

>> No.3917486

>>3917349
It's like you never even played MK2.

In MK2 the AI has bigger throw range than Zangief in SSF2. They can throw you in the middle of a combo or a special attack. They can throw you from half a screen away. They can throw you while they are frozen by Sub-Zero. They will end up throwing you whenever you do a throw move against them. And if you do an uppercut at any times they are on the ground, they will crouch to dodge it and uppercut you back, all in a single frame.

I don't remember seeing Scorpions AI ever do air throws, though.

>>3917450
Yeah, that's bloody hilariously broken.
Also, UMK3 also had the fucked up throw priorities. You could only land a throw against the first two enemies. Every one after that would end up throwing you, whenever you wanted to do a throw.

The only thing that has a more cheating AI was Virtua Fighter 2. Jeffry could do his atomic power bomb throw on you (it only works on crouching opponents) while you were STANDING.

>> No.3917498
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>>3917481
>I like the challenge and beating the computer at its own game
To each their own

> It can be done well but most devs are too lazy to give a damn.

Completely untrue on both counts. Devs try very hard to make decent AI, it's impossible with current technology. NRS is no exception, I'm very familiar with their games.

>>3917486
>It's like you never even played MK2.

I've played fuck loads of MK2. >>3917464

>> No.3917504

>>3917498
The AI in MK2 arcade can and will throw you while sweeping unless you do it from half screen distance.

>> No.3917507

>>3917504
I didn't say sweeps were omnipotent lol

>> No.3917514

>>3917507
The AI throwing you in MK2 is omnipotent.

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>>3917514
It's cheesy and lame yes, but far from omnipotent.

Anyways, if you or whoever enjoys playing it knock yourself out. But for my tastes it's a waste of time. MK2 was the first game where I really saw through the AI curtain to all the stupid shit it had to do to try and win and I've found fighting the computer boring ever since. So I only do it now if it's required to unlock shit.

To each their own though. The world would be boring if we all liked exactly the same thing.

>> No.3917549

>>3917118
fag

>> No.3917597

>>3917498
>Devs try very hard to make decent AI

Not Capcom

>> No.3917607

>>3917549
Skull Girls is actually pretty decent if you don't lose your lunch at the visuals.

>> No.3917610

>>3917597
No they try, they just suck at it like everyone else. Computers can't think like people yet, that's the root of it all so the only way to make it challenging is with input reading and similar bullshit.

>> No.3917618

>>3917610
No they literally don't try anymore. SFV has no arcade mode. The half-assed attempt at survivor or story mode doesn't count.

>> No.3917627

>>3917618
Meh, that's because it was sent out early for the tourney crowd. When they get around to it, it'll have it's pointless single player mode again. The first entry in a new numbered Street Fighter series is always a little shitty. 2, Alpha, 3 and 4 were all like that.

>> No.3917630

>>3917627
first entry of SF4 was actually pretty solid (compared to the shitfest that was SF2/3 original versions).

>> No.3917639

I thought people loved SF2 vanilla?

>> No.3917641

>>3917639
No, people love Super Turbo.

>> No.3917718

>>3917474
Oh I never played the Saturn version, but I did play the 32X version, which was a bit of a disappointment (not much different than the Genesis version). The Saturn version supposed to be better than the JP PSX version.

>> No.3917738

>>3917718
PSX MK2 has to be pretty goddamn awful if it is worse than the Saturn one.

32x one is okay, it IS the same as the Genesis one but with much better graphics and voices. I think only the music is the same as the Genesis one.

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>>3917639
They did, but Capcom didn't have any idea what else to do other than just making bug fixes and letting you use the bosses.

>>3917641
And game changes in general. World Warrior and Champion Edition got boring after a while.

>> No.3917785

>>3917464
>That's any fighting game in single player and why they suck. You just find what it can't handle well and spam it. I used to be able to beat MK2 with just sweeps. No exaggeration. Fighting games single player just suck.

>People actually gave legit concerns that are veridical and stone cold fact about the game's problems
>BLEEEEEH GIT GUDD FAG YU YUS SUCK, MEH NO CONTRARIAN, YU SUCK WAAAAAAAGH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkEMT4RXa5E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCnZuJpFoM0

SHOVE IT.

>> No.3917786

Am I the only one that loves the Genesis version's music?

>> No.3917794

>>3917498
>'ve played fuck loads of MK2

Confirmed to be the same fagposter who will derail threads claiming that he could beat MK2 by using sweeps only on the highest difficulty.

GET REAL!

>> No.3917796

>>3917786

no. it's at least as good or better than the arcade, but in different ways.

>> No.3917867

>>3917785
>BLEEEEEH GIT GUDD FAG YU YUS SUCK, MEH NO CONTRARIAN, YU SUCK WAAAAAAAGH

Your reading comprehension sucks. I didn't say the game didn't have problems or that the AI isn't a steaming pile of shit. I said wasting your time trying to beat AI that has to cheat just to be competitive is pointless in my opinion.

But also, >>3917528
>To each their own though. The world would be boring if we all liked exactly the same thing.

>>3917794
Yes I've posted in many of these threads. Are you the guy who can't beat it at all on medium?? :)

>> No.3918554

>>3916665 <---This is bait


>>3916681 <-You fags took his bait
>>3916775 <-
>>3917115 <-

>> No.3918625

>>3917076
The DOS version was pretty damn close except for the music.

>> No.3919353

>>3916898
I get it. Nice one.

>> No.3919354

>>3916695


You are crazy, friendships were the best thing ever. I played johnny cage pretty much excd to make everyone salty as HELL when you used it. to make everyone salty as HELL when you used it.

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>>3918554
I'm always amazed when people act stupid or incompetent. What do you get out of it? Is there a special thrill you get for being told you suck?

Also joke's on you because one of the people who posts in almost every single MK or fighting thread here legitimately can't seem to beat him. So what you said just sounded like a typical comment here about Mortal Kombat.

>> No.3921091

>>3916684
Fucking this.

>> No.3921098

>>3917452
Only bad thing about it were the loading times. The music could be a point, but I personally hate how the music was managed on PSX's MK3 and MKT.

>> No.3921234

>>3916665
literally beat the game when I was 7/8 years old on Genesis you shitter

>> No.3921942

>>3916637
Pretty sure you meant to ask what went so right.

>> No.3921962

>>3917076
>genesis version was developed for 3 button in mind.

What makes you say that? I play it just fine with my six button controller.

>> No.3922073

>>3916653
I always wanted that Kung Lao to fuck me really hard.

>> No.3922589

>>3918625
With a Gravis Ultrasound it sounded a lot closer to the arcade version. The Roland options didn't sound dark enough.

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>>3917607
The visuals are good though.

>> No.3924319

>>3924282
The visuals are better than the gameplay.

>> No.3924323

>>3924319
This is complete bait. It plays better than it looks.
>>3919434
People have a lot of time on their hands.

>> No.3924492

>mortal kombat
Well there's your answer

>> No.3924497

>>3916898

He's a bad guy, but you feel for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNFFTeAepw8

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>>3916637

>> No.3924563

>>3917867
>Your reading comprehension sucks

LOLOLOLOL NO NERD IT'S YOURS THAT SUCKS GET A LIFE BOZO AND MAYBE SOME GLASSES TOO LMAO

>> No.3924710

>>3924282

First time I've seen this game, and honestly it looks like complete shit. Like a modern kids cartoon or something.

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>>3924323
>This is complete bait. It plays better than it looks.

No, it plays like a poor copy of MvsC2.

>>3924710
>Like a modern kids cartoon or something.

Modern kids cartoons look 10x worse.

>> No.3927047

>>3924282
They're well done, I just hate the style. I'm also not interested in an MvC style game either though so it's all good. It's fan's like it, that's all that matters.

>> No.3927084

>>3927047
It's fans like it because every character is a waifubait, not because it is a good game.

The animation is awesome though. Shame about the gameplay.

>> No.3928418

>>3927084
>It's fans like it because every character is a waifubait
Bait again. Fags on /v/ like it for that. Fans like it for the gameplay, which is good, story, which isn't bare bones, and the characters.
>>3927047
Funny because I like SG, but hate MvC.