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What is Squaresoft's greatest RPG of all time?

>> No.3907357

That's a really hard question.

My personal favorites are Final Fantasy VII, Live-A-Live, and Final Fantasy Tactics.

>> No.3907365
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3907365

I was always fond of Parasite Eve

>> No.3907371

>>3907356
FFV

>> No.3907384

>>3907356
Rad Racer

>> No.3907418

>>3907357
>Live-A-Live
Why, it is generic x7

>> No.3907456

It's a 6-way tie between FFIV Hardtype, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, FFVI, FF Tactics, and FFX undub.

Square in the 1990s was just too damn good. Even the fucking Chocobo Dungeon game was better than it had any right to be.

>> No.3907478

>>3907356
Xenogears and Final Fantasy Tactics imo

>> No.3907479

tough choice between FFIV, VII, IX, Tactics, Live A Live, Chrono Trigger, Vagrant Story
Does Super Mario RPG count as a squaresoft game?

>> No.3907483

Greatest? Chrono Trigger.
My favorite? FFVII

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>>3907356
Great story and strategic gameplay

>> No.3907515

>>3907356
Vagrant Story.

That one's my favorite though.

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3907546

But I'm a fan of this era of 3d games.

>> No.3907553

>>3907356
Racing Lagoon
Quest mode in Ehrgeiz
FF5

>> No.3907580
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3907580

SaGa Frontier was a mess. There was so much incomplete content left in the game. Gameplay wise, it was very much grind-to-win. Just stick a gun on everybody, grind until you learn Boundshot, then combo your way to victory.

Pic related is the only Square game that felt like it involved any strategy. Although you can grind up your affinities, you usually do have to analyze enemies' weaknesses to know what you're getting into. And more often than not, you'll have to go out of your way to explore for elemental gems that you'll attach to your equipment just prior to major boss fights.

>> No.3907594

Xenog...erm...Final Fantasy IX.

You can see they put a lot of love in that game.

>> No.3907595

>>3907580
You can experiment with a vast repertoire of skills and items and play the game as intended rather than grind like a Korean.

>> No.3907596

>>3907456
>Hardtype
>undub

Frick off.

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>>3907357
fpbp

>>3907418
>x7
That's the beauty, you can get every single JRPG trope covered in one game

Chrono Trigger is usually a crowd favorite, it's well crafted doesn't drag and has replay value but it doesn't quite "land" for me, maybe because I don't like the mechanics and the graphics felt dated to me since I didn't pick it up until after I'd played FF7. Having a soft spot for mechanics is why I also personally rank FF5 higher than it's objectively reasonable for it to be.

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>>3907596
you frick off

>> No.3907668

>>3907595
>play the game as intended

Which is how, exactly? How do you know what the developers "intended" for the player to do? I'm going out on a limb here and saying virtually every player who discovers Boundshot or DSC sticks with those tactics and nothing else.

>> No.3907672

>>3907668
Read the first sentence.

>> No.3907694

>>3907594
My brother.

>> No.3907704

>>3907418
>>3907596
You're not here to discuss anything, you're here to start a fight.

>> No.3907708

Treasure Of The Rudras

>> No.3907709

>>3907672

That does nothing to address my post. You have no idea how the developers "intended" for anyone to play the game. The fact that the game has such a great deal of incomplete content speaks volumes about balancing and strategy.

>"I have no argument therefore I will resort to tautology"
If it was just your intention to drive-by shitpost, then kindly direct your attention to >>>/v/
I'm sure your posts will elicit much more thorough attention there.

>> No.3907710

>>3907668
why do you have to get butthurt and shit anon? someone calls you out for being boring and making the game you play boring by being boring and you get upset?

just go back and play the game without grinding, it's not a big deal. you're a big boy. maybe you can ask your wife's son to play it with you.

>> No.3907723

>>3907710
You're not here to discuss anything, you're here to start a fight.

>> No.3907742

>>3907596
Why do you even mention hacks?

>> No.3907743

>>3907723
you came here to do nothing but complain about a problem that arguably doesn't exist unless you create it for yourself

you're complaining about the dumb way you choose to play a game as if no other way exists and get upset when someone tells you to just not do that thing

How were you even getting guns for your whole party? using the scrap trick until you got a set of 10 lethal guns?

the fact that you waste your time doing something insipid and grinding unchallenging fights for hours to trivialize the parts of the game that are supposed to be challenging doesn't make it a bad game, it makes you a boring and tedious man who doesn't know how to spend his time effectively.

>> No.3907749

>>3907356
The one that sold the most.

>> No.3907759

>>3907709
>You have no idea how the developers "intended" for anyone to play the game
I do, just by looking at the manual. I can see that the developers described 10 different schools of magic, the different races, weapon types and so on. Clearly they encourage the player to use all means available.

For example, Riki's trip to Tanzer. With a bit of creativity you can stand your ground against the boss with minimal grinding, like by learning Groundhit from the local monsters. Or you could repeatedly grind gun skills, raise BR and get your precious Boundshot (even though you would find out with a little experimentation, that e.g. Trickshot + Mecsonata is vastly more damaging and cost-efficient early on).

>> No.3907951

>>3907580
>Says SaGa Frontier is incomplete
>Posts a game that is even more incomplete than SaGa Frontier
Really?
>Gameplay wise, it was very much grind-to-win.
Maybe if you play solo runs with a human character.
You'd also need to either abuse a glitch or gind like mad to make Boundshot viable and only two characters can feasibly learn DSC, which is still inferior to comboing properly.
>Although you can grind up your affinities, you usually do have to analyze enemies' weaknesses to know what you're getting into
Just to use your own retarded logic, any player who discovers Raging Ache and Reflect Damage can QTE their way to victory, in fact you don't need anything else in VS, literally anything else is not only a surplus, but an inferior strategy, at any point in the game, against any enemy, there is nothing in the whole game that can't be cheesed by raging ache+reflect damage, and to add insult to injury both can be learned in the first dungeon in the game in an hour or so.

But hey, people can do solo runs of Frontier in less than three hours, it's a grind to win game.

>> No.3907980

>>3907494
I want to kill Yoyo

>> No.3907985

>>3907356
Einhaender. You play the role of a spaceship.

>> No.3908145

>>3907759
>Clearly they encourage the player to use all means available.

Okay, you're technically right about the developer's intentions, but it's a moot point when the game ended up rushed out the door before any of these features could be adequately balanced, or even completed. Who knows how much more content Square planned to cram into the game before its untimely release.

So the point of this discussion is, "What is Squaresoft's greatest RPG of all time?" You elected a game with unfinished and unbalanced content. By all means you're welcome to your opinion, but it hardly has any merit to anyone but the most die-hard fans of this game. To anybody else, it's a glaringly unfinished product.

Did the game have a lot of potential? Sure. But that potential unfortunately never got to materialize. Maybe if SE decides to remake a more content-complete version of the game in the future.

>>3907951 (You)

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>>3907742
Well I would have just said FFIV and FFX original Japanese versions, but you fags get all triggered whenever somene mentions those.

>> No.3908328

Man, SaGa Frontier is definetely not grind to win. Grinding raises the final boss hp for just one example. It is so counterproductive. I mean, I guess you can grind in it if you are really dumb.

>> No.3908339

>>3907985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9MykWYPaKM

>> No.3908373
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3908373

Technically not RPG, but still their best game

>> No.3908401

>>3908339
Putting in the CD was very sensual.

>> No.3908530

>>3907980
She's not your waifu anon.

>> No.3908531

>>3908145
Why didn't you reply to my post anon:
>>3907743
don't you have any childish arguments for me?
:y

>> No.3908680

Gemma Knights.
Literally too good for this world.
SO WE GOT A BUGGY PILE OF SHIT CALLED FINAL FANTASY INSTEAD

>> No.3908682

>>3908530
Don't you tell him who his waifu is

>> No.3908783

>>3907515
Yep, this.

>> No.3908845

>>3908531
That will be $32 plus tip

>> No.3908846

>>3908373
why 3 over 2?

>> No.3908860

FF4 or FF6, chrono trigger, parasite eve

>> No.3909012

Chrono Cross.

>> No.3909037

>>3907456
>Secret of Mana
>FF Tactics, and FFX
>>3907478
>Xenogears
>>3907594
>Final Fantasy IX.

Christ m8, those ones are shit.

>> No.3909067

Som

>> No.3909071

>>3907365
How do I into this series?

>> No.3909073

>>3909071
From the beginning.

>> No.3909079

>>3909073
I meant in regards to its movies and novels as well as the games

>> No.3909084

>>3909079
As far as I can gather you don't need anything but the games. They stand alone just fine.

>> No.3909087

>>3909084
Thanks retro-kun

>> No.3909265

>>3908145
>You elected a game with unfinished and unbalanced content
Literally the same as Vagrant Story, Vagrant Story also has it arguably worse and you know it since you didn't even bother replying coherently to me.
>but it hardly has any merit to anyone but the most die-hard fans of this game
>Saga Frontier sold over 1.05 million copies in Japan by the end of 1997, which had not appreciably increased by 2008.[34][35][36] It was the 5th top-selling game in Japan in 1997 and is currently the 15th top-selling PlayStation game for the region.[37] In 2000, SaGa Frontier was voted the 18th best PlayStation game of all time by the editors of Famitsu magazine.[38]

Looks like it has quite a lot of merit to me.
Notice how Vagrant Story is in position 37 compared to Frontier's 18.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110805230154/http://psx.ign.com/articles/088/088060p1.html

Vagrant Story is also barely a RPG, for the records.
And I don't really get this /v/ thing of "unfinished" games, the vast majority of games are unfinished either way, some of the most appreciated or critically acclaimed games are unfinished or incomplete.

>> No.3909708

>>3909265
>the vast majority of games are unfinished either way
This, lots of things change over the course of game development and a lot of things have to be cut or compromised.

>> No.3910462

>>3909265
Very few artists would say their works are ever finished. You just have to push it out the door eventually.

>> No.3910541

>>3908846
2 was never released in the west and I don't usually play fan translations. Convince me why you like 2 over 3.