Retro SD Display Thread of Dreams

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Retro SD Display Thread of Dreams Anonymous Sun Apr 7 21:46:27 2013 No.386832 [Reply] [Original]

What kind of SD display setups are you all using?
Are your systems hooked up through the supreme and superior RGB?
Post some photos of your setups!

This is my setup -
White NTSC-J Saturn running through RGB Scart on a Sony PVM-14M4E. Japanese saturn is the only system I actually physical collect for right now.
Everything looks absolutely astonishing on this monitor but great 2D 32bit sprite work is gotdam jaw dropping. Everyone should strive to get themselves a PVM or comprable broadcast monitor.
I've got this sitting on my desk and I love it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 21:49:57 2013 No.386859 File: 224 KB, 761x538, jDLABQu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OP Still, Silhouette Mirage looks astonishing on the PVM.... Scan-line heaven immaculateness.

>>	The Big GameHunter !!gazZQ5+LXiP Sun Apr 7 21:59:57 2013 No.386928 >>386832 I've had a PVM for around a year now and I can't believe I've never had a RGB monitor up to this point. Such a shame they're so difficult to come by in america.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:18:27 2013 No.387049 SCART's like the PAL version of VGA, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:20:57 2013 No.387063 >>387049 "SCART" usually means RGB SCART, which is similar to VGA and works at both 50Hz and 60Hz.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:21:57 2013 No.387071 >>387063 Remind me again why it isn't used in the west...

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Sun Apr 7 22:23:57 2013 No.387085 File: 1.11 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2652.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>387071 RCA be ballin', yo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:24:27 2013 No.387090 oh hey internetflexin, caught you in the wild

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:24:27 2013 No.387091 >>387071 Because it was invented by filthy Frenchmen.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:28:27 2013 No.387134

Is there a bigger version of that screen available? About 24-30 inches? I'd love one in my room. Where could I get one for dirt cheap? I have a low quality RCA POS right now in my room, and an LCD in the living room, and I'm sick of it. Or is the LCD just fine?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:28:27 2013 No.387135 >>387090 V secretè ~ Who you!? hmu on the blog bru

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:31:27 2013 No.387163 >>387134 I think you can get 20", 24" and 27" versions. I wouldn't advise going much larger than 20"-24" though once you start getting larger than 22" you start seeing some geometry weirdness depending on how large you go...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:32:27 2013 No.387170 >>387135 this is shonendump. I figured you were a /vr/ dude hahaha

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Sun Apr 7 22:35:57 2013 No.387193 File: 1.36 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2769.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>387134 PVMs tend to get quality issues once you go past 24 or so inches.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:06:57 2013 No.387482 I have this 32 inch crt flat screen that was my main screen for awhile, now I use it for games. Mostly I use composite input for my systems and it comes out fine but I'd love to get some better cables or mod some backups for better output

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:13:27 2013 No.387537 File: 95 KB, 869x625, wega.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sup Avoid Hi-Scan or Fine Pitch models. They're HD models and will perform scaling on your SD content. It looks ugly and causes input lag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:17:27 2013 No.387554 Is that a Hackintosh, OP?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:18:28 2013 No.387558 don't buy sony

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:18:58 2013 No.387561 File: 30 KB, 800x600, amiga1080.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:21:27 2013 No.387575 >>386832 That feeling when i get cristal clear quality video thanks to the scart cable with a common orion or mivar tv

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 23:52:58 2013 No.387879
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I picked up a Sony PVM-20M4U recently, but it worked for only 5 minutes before I lost all picture and the orange tally lamp stays on now.

I don't know what to do with it. All the local TV repair places don't deal with PVMs, especially not CRTs. The seller refunded my money so I could go look for another (like a Sony PVM2950 in my area. Worth a look at?), but I don't know what to do with this one now.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:27:27 2013 No.390215

I dropped my sony widescreen, currently burning a test card dvd so I can fix the purity, looks like the deflection yoke has moved away from the tube.

inb4 shadow mask damage, it's aperture grille. Even if it was shadow mask damage that can be fixed with some permalloy strips and patience.

>>387071
The cables are expensive, they need to be properly shielded to avoid crosstalk. The ypbpr colour space used on 480p component transmits colours as differences between signals, so any noise added is subtracted by the instrumentation amps at the other end. Hence you can use a cheap shitty cable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:28:27 2013 No.390225 >>387537 You can turn it off so it just enlarges the electron beam like an sd bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:41:27 2013 No.390294 >>387561 This nigga know what's up.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:50:58 2013 No.390354
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My CRT died on me and I need to figure out what it is still so I made pic related in the meantime to play using a samsung syncmaster monitor I have. It feels cozy to play with it actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:55:27 2013 No.390382 >>387879 did it squeal before it died?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:57:57 2013 No.390394 File: 138 KB, 352x338, the time has come.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>386859 >>386832 I really want to pick one of these up butmy only option is through ebay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 04:58:57 2013 No.390401 Do modern CRT's receive RGB directly, or do they digitally process the signal first?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:00:28 2013 No.390406 File: 45 KB, 240x320, 1352059317784.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >playing retro games on a CRT instead of a modern TV via a decent upscaler

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:01:27 2013 No.390409 >>390406 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip6WuOvK8EU

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:05:58 2013 No.390439 File: 861 KB, 2048x1536, 1364763597042.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>390401 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SZkjF1RDI

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:07:27 2013 No.390443 >>390439 it's fucking beautiful

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:14:27 2013 No.390478 >>390409 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip6WuOvK8EU The only thing you can't do with an upscaler is play light-gun games. What you can do is play your games on a big image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:25:27 2013 No.390513 Hey OP, what converter are you using?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:33:57 2013 No.390545 >>390439 Does that address the question I asked? I know CRT's look better for retro games, but it's possible that some new CRT's process the signal rather than being controlled by the voltage directly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:37:57 2013 No.390558 >>390513 OP, I'm using http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:44:27 2013 No.390584 >>387085 what is the depth of your PVM. I'm trying to figure out spacing issue right now.

>>	script writer kibe Mon Apr 8 05:54:28 2013 No.390615 >>386832 Seriously, that thing is so fucking beautiful looking and borderline cyberpunk. Found an ebay listing for it under computer monitors, any of you gents ever used it as one?

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 06:03:27 2013 No.390632 File: 640 KB, 1312x984, Antique Roadshow 4.0 - Console.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>390584 ~19in deep, ~18in tall and wide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:06:57 2013 No.390643 >>390558 Dude they ripped you off, the scart connector isn't even shielded by the looks of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:09:58 2013 No.390658 >>390632 Thank you very much my friend

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:14:57 2013 No.390676 >>390632 Where did you get the scart to BNC cable?

KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 06:18:57 2013 No.390687
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>>390676
I don't have one currently; I'm either going to have to wait until http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?233296-Interest-check-Scart-to-BNC-adapter-cables-for-RGB-monitors starts making them again, or learn how to make one myself.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:31:57 2013 No.390726
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Oh hey, PVM thread?
I just picked mine up recently, and after a couple of weeks of working at this consolized MVS project, I finally got it up and running on it!
Now I've just gotta wait for controller ports/controllers to come in the mail and I'm in business. SNES and Saturn look gorgeous on this thing, also. I can't go back to anything else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:34:57 2013 No.390739 File: 535 KB, 1280x1707, waku.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>390726 Cellphone pictures don't do it justice whatsoever. It's so much more vibrant than my old cabinet even was before the monitor crapped out

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:57:57 2013 No.390830 >>390726 wht sizee

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 07:16:58 2013 No.390872 I just found someone in my town selling a 28" Trinitron for £20, going to collect it today. It's fucking beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 07:20:58 2013 No.390881 Finally got an s-video switch box for my setup i'd like to have a PVM in the future but i can't justify the price atm

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 07:48:58 2013 No.390954 >>390830 It's only a 14", but I got it locally for $1.50 (plus $40~ shipping...)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 07:50:59 2013 No.390968 >>390954 hnnnnnggg dat deal. I can't really tell from the photos but I think it looks like a 14N6U

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 07:51:29 2013 No.390970 >>390954 >locally >$40~ shipping I don't even

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:27:58 2013 No.391143 >>390643 How much woud that matter? The picture looks flawless still

>>	NeoGeo Collector Mon Apr 8 13:10:59 2013 No.392453 File: 507 KB, 986x739, IMG_4740.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Although I have a 32" Panasonic CRT I also use a Framemeister for my LCD-TVs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 13:53:29 2013 No.392691 >>390406 >not playing retro games on a retro display

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 15:50:00 2013 No.393596 >>390687 >losing your right audio channel Dude.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 15:56:30 2013 No.393643

>>386832
I have the same setup as you, though mine is the US model (14M4U), and I just finally ordered a SCART->BNC adapter and some SCART cables (was using component, s-video and composite for my consoles).

What are some good Saturn games that won't cost me an arm and a leg?

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:13:35 2013 No.393779
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I have an old CRT exactly like this one, a Sony KV-21FX30E with an FD Trinitron tube.
I don't see any "HD" options on it, and it supports both RGB and S-Video via SCART, so I guess it's okay. Should I keep it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:25:31 2013 No.393870 File: 12 KB, 283x213, hdmi_m_dust_cap.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HDMI cables have these convenient caps for when you need to switch cables and keep the unused ones protected. Is there an equivalent for SCART cables?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:28:01 2013 No.393901 I keep waiting for something decent to come up on Craigslist near me Right now there's a Sony PMV 14L1 but it's $150 and I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money on a 13" screen

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:32:30 2013 No.393915 >>393901 I saw a PVM-14M4U go for $55 shipped on eBay just a couple days ago. If you look long enough you'll find one. I got mine for about $75 shipped a year ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:33:00 2013 No.393928 I used to have a huge 20yo old Trinitron, but the color bleeding got really bad after a while so I ditched it. I have to admit I really miss it though... My games looked great on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:33:00 2013 No.393931 >>393901 >Sony PMV 14L1 it doesn't even have RGB dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:37:00 2013 No.393959 >>393870 No but you can use a female scart socket if you have one. Or desolder some from old VCR's if you have the skills.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:39:00 2013 No.393971

I don't know the technical aspects of why CRT is better for older games, but I do know it is, and I collect SNES/NES games for now, what's a good/affordable/reliable crt for a beginner who doesn't have a good eye for perfection? I'm moving soon, and the person I'm moving in with has a really tiny toshiba tv on a desk in her room, it's OK but the picture quality is all washed out and shit, and I'd like to buy a new one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:39:00 2013 No.393973 >>393870 Just keep'em in a box and they're good. The pins on SCART are much chunkier and hold up well. I have an adapter that's maybe 25+ years old, was kept in a drawer and it still works with no problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:41:01 2013 No.393995 >>393973 I want to be able to switch between my consoles quickly, though. I'd get a SCART switcher but to get one that won't reduce picture quality would cost a fortune.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:41:31 2013 No.393991 >>392453 >Framemeister What is this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:42:00 2013 No.394007 >>392453 Is there anything similar to a Framemeister that isn't $500?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:44:00 2013 No.394025 >>393959 That's a good idea actually. I can just buy a coupler and then it will protect 2 unused scart cables from dust.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:51:30 2013 No.394087
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Are the Trinitron Wega CRT's (like pic related) any good? There are several 27" and 32" in my area that people are basically giving away because they're moving and would rather just buy a new LCD than move their fuckheavy CRT

Some Random Guys Mon Apr 8 16:55:00 2013 No.394138

>>393971

Try some cheap little tv screens first, try to stick to known brands first. Alway visit the guys who's selling the set to test it, because first you can see if the screen have flaws, second, because shipping will cost you both your testicles and your right arm, third, because shipping can cause damage to the display.
If you find a good Sony monitor, it's great, because they were kings back then and most of their TV sets are well made.
You can also check RGB monitors for Amiga & Atari (they're not too expensive), then Studio/Field RGB Monitors like PVM or BVM from Sony.
I have to admit that I only really owned Sony TV sets, aside from my Amiga monitor (But I only use it for my Amiga).

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:56:30 2013 No.394153

>>394087
I have one and they are pretty good if you hook up RGB. The only problem is that they age pretty badly. You may need to adjust some of the distortion (barrel distortion etc), but mine doesn't have digital controls on the remote which means I have to open it up and adjust an internal potentiometer...

>>	Screwy !BDcKesnEik Mon Apr 8 16:56:30 2013 No.394156 >>386859 >>386832 You are my fucking negro!

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 16:58:31 2013 No.394168

Please enlighten me.

I'm under the impression that P/BVMs are used by americans because they support rgb. I guess they are maybe a bit better in some way. But coming from glorious sweden, almost every tv has rgb, so I dont really need to shell out the extra cash for it.
Is this apriori statement true?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:00:00 2013 No.394213 >>394168 PVM's are production-quality machines. They simply last longer and perform better than consumer-grade electronics. Given the migration to digital monitors, the market is ripe for picking one up for a fraction of the price.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:01:00 2013 No.394229 >>394168 PVM is a designation, and it indicates monitoring equipment. That means that everything inside is very high quality. PVMs nowadays use OLED screens if I'm not mistaken.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:01:00 2013 No.394231 Anyone know anywhere in bongland that sells these kind of TV's? I live in the middle of no where and everyone on eBay only does collection only. Also what should I be looking out for when getting one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:05:00 2013 No.394263 >>394231 made after January 2000 or has low hours compared to its life and has RGB. That's all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:06:00 2013 No.394276 >>394231 This >>394263 plus no HD-ready screens or TVs that have any kind of post-processing. That shit introduces input lag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:15:00 2013 No.394376 File: 89 KB, 800x533, tenderChicken.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just want an old wooden zenith like my parents had when I was little I want to have a TV that doubles as a bar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:26:00 2013 No.394480 >>394263 >>394276 Recommend any brands or models that are <£50? (<$80)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:29:30 2013 No.394508 >>394376 couldnt you just get a furniture that encloses the tv

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:37:30 2013 No.394571 File: 10 KB, 194x250, 1358766030099.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have some shitty daytex crt that cuts off the edges of the display and no settings to fix this I dream of PVMs everynight, with no opportunity to purchase one in sight

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:41:00 2013 No.394614 >>394376 there's one of those outside like a block away. been there forever. likely dosnt work anymore but man its nostalgic walking by it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 17:44:00 2013 No.394641 >>394480 As far as consumer sets go, nothing beats a Sony. Look for a WEGA model (not HS or XBR, though, because those are HD).

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:01:01 2013 No.394780 >>386832 >>390632 Where the fuck can you find these things?

>>	Some Random Guys Mon Apr 8 18:03:00 2013 No.394793 >>394780 Craiglist, eBay, LeBonCoin when you live in france -- I do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:09:00 2013 No.394843 >>390970 Old tv's are heavy nigga

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:10:00 2013 No.394856 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p89I-HVqU28 Discuss

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:10:30 2013 No.394854 >>394793 >Check all these places >Nothing >Check ebay >200-500$ shipping Im never ridding myself of daytek.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:14:00 2013 No.394895 >>394843 that shit is only like 35 pounds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:16:01 2013 No.394913 >>394895 It's TIME TO GET RIPPPPPPPPPPEDDDDDDDDDDD

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:16:01 2013 No.394920 >>387561 Is it ok to use a CRT Computer Monitor. Not sure if the Amiga is similar to mid to late 90s PC monitors, I was thinking about buying a scaler/converter and attaching it to my vga pc monitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:17:30 2013 No.394924 One of you guys tell me exactly what I need to do to get my N64 looking better on my Bravia. Please. Even just a little bit. All my older systems are on my SolidState, so dont worry about those. Just the n64 to the HDTV.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:18:30 2013 No.394934 >>394924 Move the N64 to the TV that your other consoles are on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:19:00 2013 No.394945 >>394920 see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SZkjF1RDI

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:20:30 2013 No.394949 >>394934 Ah shit. I was afraid of that sort of response.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:22:30 2013 No.394976 >>387193 When Pikachu used to be fat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:23:01 2013 No.394993 File: 84 KB, 640x377, ey6n5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:26:30 2013 No.395014 File: 1.08 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_20130311_181750.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>394920 If it's a 15KHz monitor, it can look really nice with older games. Don't use a scaler. Set your VGA to output 240p natively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:27:30 2013 No.395030 >>394993 >VHS. I go for laserdisc myself >Yellow on bottom of snes Ive always seen only the top. Huh. Is that a swap job?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:27:30 2013 No.395037 >>394087 HS and XBR Wegas (the 1080i models) are not that great for older games. They line-double everything to 960i or 480p. Standard-definition Trinitrons are amazing 240p displays though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:29:00 2013 No.395058 >>394856 blurry as fuck and still has input lag

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:29:00 2013 No.395061 >>395014 yummy

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:32:00 2013 No.395096

>>395030

To be honest I go with VHS because it's so goddamn cheap. I can go to the Goodwill and get great movies for like 50 cents. Plus it has a DVD player on it for obvious reasons. Laser Discs have pretty awesome quality and options, my buddy has one and is obsessed with LD format.

It's the weirdest thing. This is my SNES that we got at launch without any modifications or anything to it. My guess is that at one point it was exposed more on bottom than the top, or perhaps this model was made when they were transitioning from the plastic that would yellow to the kind that didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:32:00 2013 No.395098 >>395014 any more like that ? Where can I buy those ? What are the best model ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:33:00 2013 No.395108 >>395096 Laser discs are awesome because they are an analog format and the weirdness from that is just cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:36:30 2013 No.395158 >>395108 I'm not one of those "analogue master race fuck digital" types because I love digital for it's simplification, but analogue will always be superior in retaining 100% accuracy in playback. I like both for different reasons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:53:31 2013 No.395337 We need a Crt Tv/Monitor chart pic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:01:31 2013 No.395421 >>393643 http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/saturn/the-best-sega-saturn-games-under-25

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:02:30 2013 No.395440 >>395158 Nah, its just the insanity of giant CDs that are actually analog that's really cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:05:00 2013 No.395472 >>395440 >CD stands for compact disc >It's compact in relation to the LaserDisc the moar u kno

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:05:00 2013 No.395474

Oh I was gonna ask about this.

got some new ps2 games, they look like shit on the HD TV, of course.

However, I hear component cables will do wonders and some games allow 480P usage.

Are there any CRT TVs that have component capabilities? How would I go at this?

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:08:31 2013 No.395504

>>395474
>Are there any CRT TVs that have component capabilities?
Most CRTs made after 2000 have component inputs. Nearly all (since the 80s) in Europe have RGB inputs, which you can get from component with a simple decoder.

It's rare to find a CRT that does 480i and 480p natively. Typically you'll either get a 480i SDTV or a 480p/1080i HDTV. In Japan, NEC (I think) made a line of sets that would do 480i/480p natively. They're typically advertised as "EDTV" or "Progressive-Scan capable".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:09:01 2013 No.395521 >>395504 Schweet Thanks man, you saved me a LOT of trouble, I sadly understand guns more than TVs

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:10:00 2013 No.395529

>>395504
As an aside, arcade monitors advertised as "Tri-Mode" will do 480i and 480p natively, as well as the crazy Sega/Midway 384p mode. They're usually RGB-only and require 4v signals, though. With some simple electronics you can turn one into a nice monitor for home video games, but it's a pain in the ass otherwise.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:12:00 2013 No.395551

>>395529
One important thing, though, these monitors aren't meant for consumers and will come without any kind of casing or protection. That's dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

I don't see it mentioned enough in CRT threads, but exposed tubes are dangerous, and you're likely to injure or kill yourself unless you're careful and know exactly what you're doing.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:18:31 2013 No.395620
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This is what I play my old consoles on, an old 13in RCA whose left side is partially melted because it used to sit next to a stove top. I'm considering a PVM but I'm not too familiar with them. Which model is generally considered the best, or should I just look for something under 24in?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:21:31 2013 No.395651 >>395620 Any PVM with RGB/Component inputs should suit your needs. They made some that only have composite inputs. Avoid those.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:23:00 2013 No.395684 File: 16 KB, 600x449, 3Ec3F13He5E45H45J7d3p1799cb1339391615.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I can get this for $25...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:24:01 2013 No.395692 I bought a Trinitron computer monitor, is there any way I can figure out if the scan range is low enough to display video from retro consoles? I don't want my monitor implode if I send it a 15KHz 240p signal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:25:00 2013 No.395702 >>395684 Does it accept RGB?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:26:00 2013 No.395705 File: 26 KB, 600x449, 3G13Mf3N75Ne5Eb5Ked3p81a3bae1d96f1ca9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>395702 Yes it does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:27:00 2013 No.395710 >>395705 Then go for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:29:30 2013 No.395728 The thing that always bugs me about PVMs, and the reason I never really bothered looking for one, is the size. They're just so... tiny. I mean really, is the picture that much better than a Trinitron to justify half the size?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:32:01 2013 No.395757 File: 310 KB, 1440x788, Untitled-1 copy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >That feel when this is pick up only

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:33:30 2013 No.395758

>>395728
The thing to keep in mind is that it's a monitor, not a TV. If you try to sit on your living room couch and play from ten feet away then yeah, it's way too small, but if you're sitting at a desk directly in front of it fourteen or nineteen inches is fine.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:33:30 2013 No.395762
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I got a PVM-1442QM for free - it was being thrown out by my college (along with an RGB video printer which would may have been cool to have but very likely non-working). I'm in Europe so have been living with RGB SCART for many years but the picture quality on this is better than any consumer-grade CRT I've ever seen, though I don't think they sold Sony XBR series over here (never seen one anyway).

This is much older than the others posted here - it's from 1991 and has up/down buttons for picture settings instead of knobs (and no way of telling how far you're going up and down with the controls outside of counting light flashes). I don't think it's as good quality as the HR Trinitrons (this one says Trinitron Super Fine Pitch) but it's still great.

The purity and convergence is a bit off in the corners but it seems to get better after warming off - another disadvantage of the older models like this is this shit can only be fixed by physically moving magnets around and shit.
Sorry all my pictures of the actual screen suck

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:36:30 2013 No.395803

>>395692
I don't know of any Trinitron computer monitors that support 15 kHz, unless there's some obscure Japan-only model. I doubt sending it 15 kHz will kill it, you'll just "out of range" if it has an OSD.

There's some NEC MultiSync monitors and other stuff designed for 16-bit micros like the Amiga which will take 15 kHz and 30 kHz+, and there's some that only take 15 kHz, but these would all be quite old at this stage.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:39:00 2013 No.395832

>>395757
>PVM-8044Q
You know that's 8"?
Looks well used - the problem with heavily used PVMs is that they can have timecodes and other graphics burnt in, or be fucked in other ways. Something from a lab/college with little-no use would be a better option if possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:42:30 2013 No.395862 >>395803 Hm, alright. Thanks for the info. It's still serving its purpose as a Dreamcast/Emulation monitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:42:30 2013 No.395865 >>395692 Option 1: Look up the model number, get the manual from Sony's web site, check the scan range Option 2: Plug it in and try

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:43:31 2013 No.395876 File: 61 KB, 640x480, toshiba timm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anybody else remember the TIMM?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:15:00 2013 No.396256 >>393870 Man, I just threw out 25 of those things. So useless.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:17:00 2013 No.396282
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>>393995

Not sure if they're available in the states but I use a Holdan HSR-1000 which is perfect. Has 6 SCART inputs (4 of which support RGB) and one RCA and if you plug two phono leads in the back it will route left and right audio to your amplifier or whatever (I do this because my PVM only does mono). It cost me £5.60 on ebay, £14.59 incl delivery

I took a few pics recently to show my friend the clarity. It's brighter and nicer in person but you get the idea

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:24:00 2013 No.396356 >>395876 >no exposed penis in reflection are you even trying?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:26:30 2013 No.396373 >>395762 >>396282 here - this is exactly the same monitor I have. I bought the service manual for $1.50 while trying to fix something and was trying to include a download link for the PDF in my post but 4chan keeps telling me I'm spam posting. Oh well

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:27:30 2013 No.396384 >>395876 >Looks 40+ Get off the internet

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:29:30 2013 No.396407 >>396356 >>396384 Sorry kids, not my picture. It's just the first one I found.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:35:00 2013 No.396492 >>396407 >>396384 >>396356 >>395876 this thread went to shit fast

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:35:00 2013 No.396493 >>396282 >thunder force 2 >not 3 or 4 mah nigga

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 20:50:30 2013 No.396684 File: 1.11 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2729.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>394843 I paid $40 in shipping for mine, which weighs ~70lbs, and it had a 400 mile trip. >>395728 20in isn't that small, is it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:52:00 2013 No.396717 >>396684 >20in isn't that small, is it? I guess not, but most that I'm seeing are 14" and smaller. When I've got a 32" Trinitron, you're going to need some damn perfect display quality to make it worthwhile, s'all I'm saying.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 20:57:31 2013 No.396770 File: 1.45 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2306.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>396717 >you're going to need some damn perfect display quality to make it worthwhile Assuming it hasn't been abused too much, that's what a PVM "should" give you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:00:30 2013 No.396804 >>390382 I don't recall. I just know the screen kind of had a seizure for a second before it went dead. Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:03:00 2013 No.396835 should i? http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/pho/3717733308.html or http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/pho/3695814102.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:03:00 2013 No.396836 >>395684 Saw that exact same listing on ebay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:06:31 2013 No.396865 >>396836 I saw it on Craigslist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:09:00 2013 No.396897 What's a good size for a PVM monitor anyways? Does it really matter? I'm trying to decide if I want a 14-ish inch monitor to put on my desk, or if I want to go all the way and grab a 27-incher and find a nice setup for it. Big or small?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:10:30 2013 No.396904 >>396835 >Howell Sorry bud, I might snipe that one from you.

KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 21:16:30 2013 No.396969
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>>396897
PVMs can get weird geometry issues on sizes over 24in or so.

As someone earlier in the thread said, 20-22in is about as large as you want to go.

As for what size, it's really all up to what fits your setup.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:17:30 2013 No.396986 >>396904 feel free

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:33:00 2013 No.397175 >>395684 jump on it, if it works

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:36:31 2013 No.397187 >>397175 That would just break it, silly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:36:31 2013 No.397189 File: 4 KB, 304x244, 1364973593861.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>396770 Final Fantasy 9. You have good taste in monitors and games my friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:39:31 2013 No.397217 File: 988 KB, 350x197, 1363477679114.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>397187

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:09:00 2013 No.398028

>>396897
I think you'll find you get a much better picture from a smaller one - I had to make the same decision as you recently. I opted for a 14" PVM first and I'm going to keep looking for a 20-24" (20" is ideal)
and once I eventually find one use that as my main monitor for all my console and then just TATE the 14" and keep it purely for shmups.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:12:00 2013 No.398049 File: 19 KB, 253x450, magnetbox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is on my local Craigslist should I get?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:14:30 2013 No.398073 >>398049 Looks kinda old and junk. You can do better. Save your money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:19:30 2013 No.398121 >>398049 I would hold out for a flat tube like a trinitron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:21:31 2013 No.398143 >>398049 >wood paneling It's probably coax only. Just hit up your local thrift stores, you should find something reasonably priced eventually that has component.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:32:00 2013 No.398243 >>398143 I did that today All they had were those shitty 480p flat panels form like 2002

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Mon Apr 8 23:49:01 2013 No.398375 >>398243 >mfw a buddy of mine at the local fleamarket has 3 SD Trinitrons with Component for no more than $30 each

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 23:54:30 2013 No.398409

>>387879
1. Read about properly servicing CRTs without killing yourself
2. Open it up, perform any discharge procedures
3. Remove circuit boards
4. Write down specs of all capacitors, buy replacements
5. Laboriously replace every damn capacitor in the box
6. It should work like brand new

First lesson in dealing with CRT problems: It's always the fucking capacitors. They leak and die like bitches all the time. Failing that, it might be a flyback problem. New flyback transformers are expensive though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 00:02:00 2013 No.398489 >>398409 >tfw sourced a new flyback for my Amiga monitor Thankyou Ireland.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 01:44:30 2013 No.399349 File: 25 KB, 600x450, bvm 1910.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what do you think about this thing? it's on craigslist, etc it looks kinda cruddy and i can't see a power cable in any of the pictures

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 01:45:30 2013 No.399360 >>399349 That looks like a sony BVM bro. if it works theen go for it

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 01:54:30 2013 No.399443 File: 23 KB, 400x399, !BqOULhQBGk~$(KGrHqEH-DcEubC90f+FBLu2oW)EMw~~_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>399349 >>399360 Try to find out what decoder boards it has. Unless it has component/RGB, it's not really worth it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:25:00 2013 No.399617 >>390632 turn off the underscan

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:31:00 2013 No.399643 >>395337 this

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:34:00 2013 No.399654

There's a PVM-2030 on my local craigslist in great condition for $125. What does /vr/ think? Are they really worth it?

I need an RGB cable, I suppose too. I primarily play on Saturn, PS1 and N64, what other accessories do I need for optimal performance? And what should the settings be like for best picture?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:38:00 2013 No.399673 File: 43 KB, 604x453, 1304038437582.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>390225

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:42:30 2013 No.399693 >>393779 Yep. Good TV.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:43:00 2013 No.399702 >>390225 At least on Sony sets, you can only turn off scaling for 31KHz and 34KHz modes (480p, 960i, 1080i). 15KHz (240p, 480i) will always be line-doubled.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:44:00 2013 No.399704

>>399654
Thats a great PVM - one of the nicest models imo. $125 is a little steep considering you see people getting some amazing deals but honestly it is certainly worth that price. I love PVMS and and i'd happy pay up $150 for one. It just depends how hard you think it will be to find one cheaper. I tihkn you should go for it though.

I suggest you get one of those Euro Scart to PVM BNC cables linked earlier in the thread, then pick up RGB SCART cables for each of your consoles.
In terms of settings more than likely it will look great right away but you can can always mess with the picture settings and service menu a little to fine tune it.

You won't be disappointed though, I promise you that!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:45:00 2013 No.399707 >>390354 That's impressive. It actually takes those tiny 0.2V sync signals? I've fed the Y part of component video into my giant Sony GDM at times (all green, but who cares). It doesn't like 15KHz though. What model do you have that goes down to 480i?

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:49:00 2013 No.399721

>>393779
To everyone reading this thread - If you can't find a Sony PVM or BVM, Commodore 1084 or Amiga display (with scart rgb); something like one of these sonys with scart rgb is certainly a highly worthy alternative. The main plus being the built in speakers are normally pretty good compared professional monitors that normally only have mono or nothing at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:52:01 2013 No.399740 >>399704 sorry you will need one of these cables with the PVM 2030 - http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:56:00 2013 No.399760 File: 771 KB, 853x480, professionalism.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>399740 > Customer Reviews (2) > Juan from USA >mfw

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 02:58:30 2013 No.399772

>>399707
>Sony GDM
You have a Sony GDM-FW900 or the F520?
People should be aware these are spectacular CRT's also and well worth buying if you have the chance. I've wanted one for at-least a decade now but have never seen one locally... As they are PC monitors I'd love to have one hooked up too a emulator pc box through vga with an SLG3000.
That would be a gorgeous setup.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 03:00:31 2013 No.399782 File: 1.17 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2503.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>399617 I had been fiddling around with somethings when I took that picture, I guess I forgot to turn it off.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:01:30 2013 No.399794
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>>399772
FW900.

No point to having intermediate video devices if you're outputting from a PC. Anything a dedicated device can do, a decent Radeon or GeForce card can do better.

Also I can frame-double to get a 240-line video mode synced, but it's blisteringly bright and full of giant scanlines. Ouch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:03:31 2013 No.399798 >>399782 God damn that looks sexy.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:06:30 2013 No.399815

>>399794
You lucky bastard. Of course your right about not needing the SLG when your outputting from a video card, I should of thought of that.
I guess the best function of something like an SLG would be if you wanted to hook up a 360 too that monitor through VGA and enjoy all those cave shmups in glorious CRT scan-lined perfection

Hows your monitor setup and what are you primarily using it for? post some pics of your setup bro!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:08:00 2013 No.399837 >>399721 Is there anyway to get a PVM to have stereo?

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:10:00 2013 No.399851
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I'm looking at some of these PVMs and I'm seeing on some of them that the RGB input looks like they take smaller-sized pins than the regular component plugs. Is it just the blurry picture or would I have to hunt down different cables if I were to invest in one of these things?

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 03:10:00 2013 No.399853 >>399837 External speakers

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:12:00 2013 No.399867
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>>399815
>I guess the best function of something like an SLG would be if you wanted to hook up a 360 too that monitor through VGA and enjoy all those cave shmups in glorious CRT scan-lined perfection
360 VGA is full of ghosting at high-res. I've got an HDMI cable going from my 360 to a Monoprice HDMI decoder, and then into the BNC outputs on the back.

It's mostly just my desktop monitor, though.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:13:31 2013 No.399869

>>399837
If they only have one built in speaker - then clearly nope. But there are some that have 2 stereo speakers though they are gerneally external and mounted on too the side.
And of course you can just get an RCA to aux cable convertor and hook up some pc speakers to whatever console / switcher you like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:14:30 2013 No.399875 >>399851 >trying to buy that cracked piece of shit that's on ebay. These PVMs have what are called BNC connections.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:15:01 2013 No.399882 >>399851 Those are BNC jacks. They're very common in professional AV stuff. You can get RCA->BNC adapters for like $1 apiece (you'll need 4 or 5 of them though).

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:16:00 2013 No.399887

>>399851
Yeah unless there is SCART input you will almost always need some kind of convertor cable to connect straight RGB.

90% of the time the euro scart to pvm bnc cable linked in this thread is your best bet (and is the case with the display you've posted.)

KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 03:16:31 2013 No.399885

>>399851
>regular component plugs
Those are RCA/Phono Connectors

PVM/BVMs have BNC connectors. You can get adapters for RCA female to BNC male for cheap.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G5S4JI/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

see>>390687

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:17:30 2013 No.399893

>>399867
...and I should mention that 640x480 has enough visible scanlines already. This monitor is intended for 1920x1200 or 2304x1440 modes, so it's focused very tightly. That screenshot is an emulator, with no scaling, in the middle of a 640x480 display (giant bars on all sides - but still pretty big because it's a 24" monitor).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:18:30 2013 No.399906 >>399885 >>399882 foreal though if u have PVM and your hooking it up through RCA your knida missing the point... RGB SCART all day....

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:21:01 2013 No.399927 >>399893 ahh beautiful. That screenshot looks perfect! looks like the perfect all purpose monitor. I'm sure with all the scanline filters and shit you can get for MAME though it look stunning on that display.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 03:21:30 2013 No.399921 >>399906 RCA Connector=/=RCA defined "color compatible" NTSC signal i.e Composite.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:21:30 2013 No.399924

>>399906
Oh god, not this idiot again.

RCA JACKS DO NOT IMPLY COMPOSITE CONNECTION

YOU CAN CARRY RGB OR COMPONENT THROUGH RCA JACKS

WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT HE PLUG AN RCA COMPONENT CONNECTION INTO HIS BNC COMPONENT INPUT VIA PLUG ADAPTERS

>>>/v/
>>>/vg/
>>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:21:30 2013 No.399925 >>394376 >dose handles

Some Random Guys Tue Apr 9 03:22:30 2013 No.399931

>>399851

BNC connections are mainly used by professionals. You won't get a blurry display because they're well made and most of the time they are actually "armored" (don't know how to say it in English, in French we just say that there is "blindage").

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:23:30 2013 No.399936 >>399931 "Shielded," maybe, if you're talking about the wire mesh that surrounds the cable.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 03:23:30 2013 No.399938 >>399931 Shielded

>>	Some Random Guys Tue Apr 9 03:25:00 2013 No.399950 >>399936 >>399938 Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:28:00 2013 No.399961 >>399924 Yo i'm aware dude. Relax. Just that this is /vr/ and how many retro consoles support component? N64, PS2, XBOX and Gamecube. Is that it? I don't really even consider last gen retro...

>>	Some Random Guys Tue Apr 9 03:31:00 2013 No.399980 >>399961 Well if your console can output RGB and is using a SCART cable, you could alway make your own adapter: http://www.epanorama.net/faq/vga2rgb/scart.html

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 03:31:00 2013 No.399982 >>399961 PSone PVMs also need an adapter to use SCART, so the conversation is comparable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:31:30 2013 No.399978 >>399961 >how many retro consoles support component? Most of them, when modded, you ignorant fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:33:30 2013 No.399984 >>399961 Nearly all retro consoles support RGB. PVM monitors have combined RGB/YPbPr jacks, and no SCART. For most people, this means they will immediately plug in BNC->RCA converters and feed component signals into them.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:33:30 2013 No.399986

>>399906

RCA hookups can carry any type of signal. It's just wire.

You're not getting RGB out of an old NES regardless of connector type though without a PPU swap, but that also changes the palette and fucks up the colors.

A lot of older consoles will at best do composite or s-video.

>>399931

Also BNC connectors have very solid engagement.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:43:30 2013 No.400042
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Finally picked up my old tube TV from my parents, as they finally have moved into the 21st century and bought a HDTV.

All the talk of tube TVs is really making me feel stupid since I don't understand any of it. All of these conversions and standards for stuff. But hell, I can play my old games without it looking like a scaled-up YouTube video.

It's a 24 inch Dynex, bought it from Best Buy five years ago for like $30.

http://www.dynexproducts.com/products/televisions/DX-R24TV.html

Discontinued, looks like the world has moved onto flatscreens...

Don't know if it's up to par with all of your guys' standards, but good enough for me. I actually have motivation to play through my old games now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:46:30 2013 No.400059 >>400042 Does it have component inputs? If so, you ought to get a RGB->YPbPr encoder/amplifier and SCART cables for your consoles.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:54:01 2013 No.400103

>>400059

You guys know that SCART is just a connector form factor, right? The whole idea is that you'd have one standard connector that carries all common signals, which you can daisy chain to a single port so you don't end up with the gigantic mess of oozing sores you see on the back of US TV sets.

If you're already breaking out the adapters or have a TV with component ports, it's pointless going back and forth an extra time just to run SCART at some point in your rat's nest of cable.

RGB carried over a SCART cable is no different than component over a set of RCA or BNC cables.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:54:31 2013 No.400095

>>400059
>http://www.dynexproducts.com/products/televisions/DX-R24TV.html

I know the TV and It does have component - so you should do exactly what this dude said.
Its certainly a really nice display, and once u get rgb running directly too it you will be even more well off!

Its just once you see a pvm irl you will understand the difference. Its honestly astounding.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 03:59:00 2013 No.400128
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>>400059
It has one for YCbCr, which Google tells me is the digital version of YPbPr, right? Any difference in that?

Using two composite and then that one component for my Wii. Maybe just a link to what I need for the best possible picture? Hah.

Or I wouldn't mind spending a little dosh on an entirely new TV, but I'd rather make do with what I got.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 04:01:00 2013 No.400138 File: 1.04 MB, 3280x2460, 100_1976.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>400128

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:02:00 2013 No.400150 File: 256 KB, 960x720, 65ABFA0F-9083-4B08-93CE-8E27F58B22F2-3147-000003C810A768EF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is howww we do it now ~

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:02:30 2013 No.400146 >>400138 G-get out of my bedroom

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:06:00 2013 No.400164 >>400150 ...I just came a little.

KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 04:08:31 2013 No.400172
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>>400146
No

>Hooked my old CRT which only takes composite, but has god tier audio to the Green out of my PVM
>Works perfectly fine, just in black and white
>Unhook old CRT, but leave adapter in
>PVM's colors are suddenly washed out, have to crank up chroma to get it to look normal
>"Oh fuck what did I do"
Turns out chaining off of it lowers the chroma internally; All I had to do was remove the adapter and it went back to normal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:09:01 2013 No.400182 >>400128 You can hook multiple systems up to the component input if you get a switchbox. Or monkey around with the wires every time you want to use a different system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:21:00 2013 No.400224 File: 1.05 MB, 320x240, approved.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>400150 >dat tate mode

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:23:01 2013 No.400230 File: 1.34 MB, 1920x1218, 1364076108817.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] After many googles and many uninformed opinions, I finally find this thread. I now know what my new CRT will be. Thank you all, that is all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 04:58:31 2013 No.400375 >>400150 glorious

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 05:05:02 2013 No.400408

>>400128
>It has one for YCbCr, which Google tells me is the digital version of YPbPr, right? Any difference in that?
They're equivalent. It's also sometimes called "YUV". The distinctions are important when you're working in film/TV production (or anywhere else that REALLY cares about proper colorspaces). In consumer sets, they all mean the same thing. It's one wire that carries a black+white image and synchronization data, and then two wires that each carry one "color axis" (blue versus yellow, red versus cyan).

It's simple to buy or build an adapter that will encode an RGB signal into this format.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370695549265

This one supposedly works well, but I don't have one myself. You want to specifically AVOID anything that's called a "scaler", "upscaler", "HD converter", etc. None of these work properly with video games (240p signals). You just want a raw, analog, RGB->YPbPr encoder.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 05:19:31 2013 No.400479

>>396373
Thanks for trying but I already got a scan of the service manual. It's just stuff like moving the magnet rings or moving the deflection yoke sound like things that I could easily fuck up so I'm kinda scared of touching anything around there (not to mention the LIVE CHASSIS and 25 kV and all that)

Don't suppose anyone knows how to adjust the bias and gain properly? And specific test cards I need to do this? The service manual doesn't explain.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 05:29:01 2013 No.400512

I have a CRT that was made right before the advent of flat screens.

Would it work well for retro gaming? I'd like to dig out my old consoles but first I need to know if I need to cruise around second-hand stores and pawn shops for something better.

I tried using my Sanyo flat screen but it's not the same at all.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 05:34:31 2013 No.400527
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>>400408
Hmm, alright. So get the box, then I get a SCART cable for my consoles, hook to the box, then male-to-male component cables to the TV?

Seriously considering doing this, as I've Googled some comparison pictures and can definitely see the difference in color quality and just the clarity of the picture in general.

Stupid question, but where does the audio fit into the equation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 05:37:01 2013 No.400537 >>400527 They sell a second box that pulls the audio out of a passing SCART connection. (It's such a scam. I'd just rip open the box and solder some plugs on.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 07:24:01 2013 No.400818 File: 528 KB, 1920x1080, IMG_20130320_022448.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Daewoo flat, widescreen 28" crt. RCA for nes, everything else RGB/scart

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 08:04:01 2013 No.400916

>>400818
Those late cheap flat CRTs always have terrible geometry - I can see from the top of the picture on that it's not horizontally aligned and vertically janky. The slim CRTs (Samsung made some, not sure about others) completely suck balls at geometry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 08:04:14 2013 No.400914 >>399837 See my post here >>396282 Yes, you can have stereo using a PVM - if you use something like a SCART router to separate the audio

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 08:19:31 2013 No.400972 >>400914 >to separate the audio From the video signals before they go in to the monitor* to clarify (not to separate the mono into left and right channels)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 08:22:31 2013 No.400986 >>386832 I run everything through S-Video except the Wii, which is on Component.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 08:31:01 2013 No.401023 File: 686 KB, 1920x1080, IMG_20130409_145549.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>400916 Its barely issue, or at last I dont have problem with it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:01:02 2013 No.401151

>>386832

>Silhouette Mirage

My nigga OP. I played it on the PS1 though. It was on some bootleg 3 in 1 disk and there was no music for some reason. When I found an iso for it, the same problem occurred. At first I didn't even know it was supposed to have music. I thought it was an atmosphere thing. But I've only ever heard music on the Saturn version. Did the PS1 version even have music?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:06:32 2013 No.401176 >>401023 People dislike those because the display is a little too good. The resolutions are much larger, causing the picture to letterbox, and they always had a really tight pixel pitch which enhanced the noise caused by uninsulated video wires.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 09:57:32 2013 No.401514 File: 1.69 MB, 2700x2302, 100_2837.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really need to get some phono extensions so I can set this up right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:58:32 2013 No.401526 >>400916 >Buy a Panasonic Tau >goodbye, straight lines

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:59:02 2013 No.401535 >>401514 Maybe you should clean up the shithole you live in first?

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 10:00:02 2013 No.401543 >>401535 It's clean, just very cluttered.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 10:01:02 2013 No.401553 >>401543 That's the point...

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 10:02:32 2013 No.401556 >>401553 But muh video games.

>>	Some Random Guys Tue Apr 9 11:21:02 2013 No.401880 >>401514 What is the model of your Screen? Also, which Gundam is on the set? From which show? I only watched the U.C. ones before CCA

KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 11:31:03 2013 No.401924
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>>401880
PVM is 20M2MDU, one on the floor is a Samsung GXE1395.

Gundam is GF-017NJII, i.e God/Burning Gundam.
Main character's gundam from G Gundam, set in Future Century.

>>	Some Random Guys Tue Apr 9 11:38:32 2013 No.401952 >>401924 Thanks for the answer.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 11:41:33 2013 No.401969 File: 18 KB, 576x432, G_Gundam_02.mp4_snapshot_19.10_[2013.04.09_11.41.11].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>401952 No problem

>>	OP Tue Apr 9 12:00:33 2013 No.402096 File: 563 KB, 972x726, sonic1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this display never ceases too astonish me - nothing compares.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 12:04:32 2013 No.402120 >>402096 That looks beautiful. What is the display?

>>	OP Tue Apr 9 12:06:32 2013 No.402135 >>402120 >Sony PVM-14M4E

>>	OP Tue Apr 9 12:10:32 2013 No.402164 File: 439 KB, 778x581, casonic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 12:10:32 2013 No.402172 >>402135 Preesh

>>	MFGreth !W0pvjj7SLM Tue Apr 9 12:41:32 2013 No.402353 >>402164 Jizzing everywhere. I wish I had the dosh to find a PVM. One of my old film teachers was offering me one for free then some kid whined and bitched and he gave it him instead.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 17:35:32 2013 No.404741
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Here's my PVM-1442QM from >>395762 in action.

Unfortunately my camera is ancient and SUCKS BALLS, hence all the horrible blue bleeding around bright areas. IRL the convergence on the monitor isn't 100% but it's fine if you're not an autist and >3 feet from the screen.

Taking photos of fast motion was probably also the worst idea.

It's the PS2 port

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Apr 9 17:47:02 2013 No.404830 >>404741 Composite, Component, RGB?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 18:00:02 2013 No.404961 For emulating, how can I upscale? And what filters can I use to make my games look like as if they were going through an slg-3000?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 18:29:33 2013 No.405245 >>390354 I read online that this schematic is for connecting VA (like a laptop) to a TV through composite. Not the other way around. Will it work the other way around?

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 18:53:02 2013 No.405490
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>>404830
RGB with ghetto SCART adaptor - pics related.

This is how the late '80s/early-mid '90s PVMs go:
The 1442QM (what I have) doesn't have YPbPr, but the 1444QM does both YPbPr and RGB through the same inputs (switchable?). The 1440QM has RGB but no loopthrough, no EBU-grade phosphors and analogue pots for picture controls (instead of buttons on the other two)

Q = multistandard (PAL/SECAM/NTSC 3.58/NTSC 4.43)
M = 220-240V?

I believe the US equivalents are:
PVM-1344Q (RGB/YPbPr)
PVM-1342Q (RGB)
PVM-1341 (NTSC only, RGB with loopthrough)
PVM-1340 (NTSC only, RGB with no loopthrough and less inputs/controls)

1344Q and 1342Q have Trinitron Super Fine Pitch tubes (predecessor to HR Trinitron I guess) with SMPTE-C grade phosphors, and the other two like the 1440QM have lower spec Trinitron Black tubes. They're 14" tubes like the Euro equivalents but at the time in the US they had to market them by visible area, or something? Hence PVM-13xx

All of the above have two composite BNC inputs, s-video mini-DIN (labeled "Y/C") and 8-pin "VTR" (composite + audio, some ancient Japanese standard I believe, might see it on U-Matic decks or something).

I don't know exactly when they were in production but mine's built in 1991 and the Trinitron logo is like what is seen on late '80s consumer TVs (plain uppercase Helvetica with RGB ovals)

Don't suppose anyone knows what the "Digital RGB" 9-pin D-SUB input can be used with? Old CGA/EGA video cards? Is that even 15 kHz?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 18:54:32 2013 No.405494 >>395684 Actually, another one popped up that isn't taped up for $75.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 18:59:32 2013 No.405530

>>405245
>I read online that this schematic is for connecting VA (like a laptop) to a TV through composite. Not the other way around. Will it work the other way around?
If the laptop is outputting a 15KHz signal, it could conceivably carry it (in black+white) to a composite-only TV. It could also carry a composite signal (in black+white, with visible NTSC chroma patterns) to a 15KHz-capable VGA monitor.

Anonymous Tue Apr 9 19:28:02 2013 No.405790

I recently picked up a Sony PVM 20L2. It's made in 2004, and was well taken care off.

If anyone is on the fence about getting one of these to play your retro games be it Ps1, Ps2, SNES, etc, believe me it is worth every single penny. You really have to see it to believe it.

Colors are sharp, lines look crisp and the image oh lordy the image is beautiful. Try playing Star Ocean the Second Story or Grandia or even FF7 and you will be blown away at how good RBG makes things look.

For a real treat, boot up a graphically intensive game such as Valkyrie Profile 2 and you will cream your pants. It's honestly that good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 19:42:33 2013 No.405908 >>400818 can you take screenshots of you running something w/ RGB?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 00:27:03 2013 No.408560 >>405530 Is there a way to modify that to display it in colour? I want decent colour display though my fairly decent and colourful monitor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:01:05 2013 No.408795 File: 2.19 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20130124_152707.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>405908 here, my camera sucks though

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:05:04 2013 No.408828 I want a nice CRT for my games but old ones give you eye cancer and new ones might as well be LCDs.

KyaDash !kDashing02 Wed Apr 10 01:11:04 2013 No.408870
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>>408828
>old ones give you eye cancer
Anything made in the last 25 years is well with in safety limits.

Found 2 relatively okay priced 20M2MDUs on ebay; Second one seems a bit battle work though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM20M2MDU-20-Trinitron-Medical-Hospital-Monitor-/271181096135
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM20M2MDU-20-Trinitron-Medical-Monitor-/271181035863

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:13:05 2013 No.408889 >>408828 >but old ones give you eye cancer That's hippie new age boomer bullshit. Unless you have a link to a peer reviewed study that says CRT's cause any eye damage at all.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Wed Apr 10 01:13:05 2013 No.408892 File: 1.35 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2736.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>408870 battle worn*

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:19:34 2013 No.408938 File: 19 KB, 750x750, demoman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are there any recommended Scart to RGB converters that also have audio putputs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:19:34 2013 No.408948 This is a dumb question, but my tv has component inputs. Could I use a Wii component cable for my snes/n64/gamecube?

Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:20:34 2013 No.408958

>>408948
The Wii component cable is a different shape from the SNES/N64/Gamecube cable, and GameCube only supports component out from the digital port that only some cubes had.

SNES and N64 don't support component out. The closest you could get is RGB out from SNES/GCN with a RGB to Component adapter.

Anonymous Wed Apr 10 02:14:34 2013 No.409385

>>404961
You upscale by the mere act of setting the desired resolution. However, there are many upscaling algorithms, and everyone has their preferences regarding what looks best.

As for a filter, I assume you're asking for a scanline filter? There's many, actually, but keep in mind none of them are truly perfect in recreating a CRT, as faithful CRT emulation requires extremely high resolution and dpi, much higher than 1080p.

Anonymous Wed Apr 10 02:17:04 2013 No.409404

>>405490
AFAIK 9-pin D-SUB was typically used by CGA and EGA, and I'm pretty sure it was 15KHz. However, like it says, it's digital, so very few devices can make use of it, and almost all of them are ancient, so for all practical purposes it's a pretty useless port.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 03:29:05 2013 No.409849 File: 165 KB, 938x1042, Putt-Putt_Goes_to_the_Moon_-_1993_-_Humongous_Entertainment.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>408938 >putputs

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 10 03:32:34 2013 No.409860 >>409849 *output Oh no! I made a typo. Time to commit sudoku.

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