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3858282 No.3858282 [Reply] [Original]

In your opinion, which N64 games had the most impressive graphics?

>> No.3858323
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3858323

I'm a real N64 hater but the quality of its 3D is clearly superior to PSX and Saturn thanks to SGI. I wasn't a big PC gamer back in the day but now that I've built a retro gaming PC and see games like Half-Life on native GPUs it makes me sad all over again that Nintendo opted against mass storage with the N64.

>> No.3858327

Conker for special effects (better than many 6th games IMO)

World Driver Championship for polygon count (double Ridge Racer R4 and 20% higher than Crash 3)

>> No.3858328

>>3858323
Do what?

Are you saying use CDs?
Because Conker wouldn't be possible with CDs.

>> No.3858331

>>3858328
>Conker wouldn't be possible with CDs
There's really just no point in trying to discuss these things rationally with you people

>> No.3858370

>>3858328
it just uses pcm/midi files, saturn and PS1 both use pcm/midi perfectly fine. You don't know how this stuff works.

>> No.3858383

>>3858331
>>3858370
I'm not talking about audio you mongoloids, I'm talking about how the game pulls textures off the cart real time, rather than keeping them all in RAM.

A CD drive would have far too high of a latency to do that.

>> No.3858396 [DELETED] 

>>3858331
Get off you high horse, tripfag.

>> No.3858403

>>3858383
>I'm talking about how the game pulls textures off the cart real time, rather than keeping them all in RAM.
That would only prevent loading times, but it wouldn't increase graphically quality or anything. The N64's cartridge bus doesn't have enough bandwidth (50 MB/s max, but realistically about 5 to 10 MB/s) to refresh the textures in RAM mid-frame.

>> No.3858405

>>3858383
I think what you mean is that Conker wouldn't be possible on CD without load times and/or the console being considerably more expensive to produce.

>>3858396
Sorry, Man. Nintendo was being petty and greedy. The only thing that kept N64 (and Virtual Boy on top of it) from wrecking the whole company Dreamcast-style was a few brilliant first and second-party studios and a lot of money built up from past successes.

>> No.3858413

>>3858403
>That would only prevent loading times
Not if the volume of textures needed per scene is higher than the amount of system RAM available.

>> No.3858414

donkey kong 64 had pretty good graphics imo, perfect dark & zelda (both, but ocarina more so) too

>> No.3858415

Ocarina of Time has the best aesthetics and art direction. Nothing until the Gamecube comes close to Inside Ganon's Castle and the final boss fight's ambiance. Objectively, Star Fox 64 and Goemon's Great Adventure had the best all-around graphics though.

>> No.3858420

>>3858415

It's pretty crazy how sophisticated OoT looks - especially in the Forest/Fire/Spirit temples - compared to other N64 games. The game also has really cool lighting effects at some points, like the glowing shield and attacks during Twinrova and the ice cavern

>> No.3858421

>>3858413
>Not if the volume of textures needed per scene is higher than the amount of system RAM available.
But that was exactly my point. The situation you describe is only remedied by refreshing RAM with new textures in the middle of a frame. I'm saying that the cartridge bus bandwidth isn't high enough to do something like that. Maybe if you were doing 2D graphics, but 3D involves lots of overdraw and needs a lot more bandwidth.

>> No.3858425
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>>3858415
Not when it cheaped out on Hyrule Town and half of some 1 roomed buildings.

Majora's Mask wins x10 over.

>> No.3858426

what n64 games are 60fps? i know F Zero, any others?

>> No.3858427

>>3858425

i often like the paitned background look thought. the screen before the temple of time is cool looking as are the back alleys

>> No.3858452
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>>3858415
>>3858420
IMO OoT isn't that good looking overall. I mean sure for 1998 it looked great, but N64 graphics did get better over the following years.

Only place that really really held up is the final battle with Ganon, because the lighting effects and graphical detail is just so cool. That the 3DS version fucked it up is an absolute travesty.

>> No.3858456
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>>3858452

>> No.3858478

>>3858452
panzer dragoon series of games all look better than oot.

>> No.3858486
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3858486

>>3858478
I've got that one too

>> No.3858495

>>3858486
PDZ episode 3 is a real visual treat, the hacky reflection in ep1 of PD still stands out as a visual treat, combine that with stage 2's first 30 seconds showing you the game still has plenty of tricks is a real killer. Oh, and PDZ's episode 4 boss with all the moving, shifting geometry and ground movement really blows the competition away. Mario 64, which came out later that year couldn't compare to what was going on there.

>> No.3858497
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>>3858478
>>3858486
Why you faggots try to force this shitty game in every N64 thread?

>> No.3858507

>>3858425
Personally I liked that style, and it looks much better on OG hardware than that emulated screenshot. And I think it was used sparingly enough where it didn't get too old (unlike FF7).

>> No.3858509
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>>3858495
Well if you like looking at water then...

>> No.3858513

>>3858509
it's not impressive when I know exactly how it's done

>> No.3858519

>>3858427
>painted

Looks more vaseline smeared to me.

>> No.3858525

>>3858509
>meanwhile at the arcade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y5nqM83dLw

>> No.3858531
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>>3858495
I did some console capture of PDZ just for you

>> No.3858534

>>3858531
thanks m8. Shame this isn't 8/v/ otherwise there'd be sound, it'd be 12MB, and it would be 4 times as long.

Are you capturing RGB? How are you doing it direct from console?

>> No.3858541
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>>3858534
RGB SCART it's not actually my capture though, i've just converted somebody else's into webm

Here's stage 4 boss

>> No.3858543
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3858543

>>3858282
Forgot to post my game. The N64 version of Rayman 2 was really good.

>> No.3858546
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>>3858513
How is it done, anon? I've been wondering this my whole life.

>> No.3858585
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>>3858541
Ah. I was considering getting a capture setup to record RGB from my saturn. Was hoping I could use my monitors out signals, but I don't know if any more affordable capture devices do RGBS capture.

>> No.3858591

>>3858546
do ya know much about sine and cosine son? also its not checking for collision on every frame so it's easy to get that sort of sunken-in the moving water look, combine that with really simple IK and you're good to go.

>> No.3858671

>>3858591
This post is complete nonsense

>> No.3859138

>>3858421
>only remedied by refreshing RAM with new textures in the middle of a frame
To clarify, I didn't mean "frame" when I said "scene." Scene is probably not the right word.
Why can't you load textures in the background as the camera moves around in a 3D area? As long as you plan it well it seems like it would work. Load the textures for a building right before the building comes into frame, and then when the camera moves somewhere else, dump those textures and begin loading some other ones.

>> No.3859150

>>3859138
That's exactly how it works.

>> No.3859158

>>3858543
Second this, the art style was really beautiful and on par with MM.

>> No.3859161

>>3858282
>>3858282
By a landslide. 3D games on N64 looked terrible and there were only a handful of 2D games most of which also don't look very good.

>> No.3859163
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>>3859161

>> No.3859196

I can't find any good pics of it, but you gotta give credit to Forsaken for having real time lighting effects.

>> No.3859213

>>3858282
Paper Mario

>> No.3859727

>>3858525

It's AM2 so of course it looks great but if we're talking water alone, Wave Race does it far better.

>> No.3859730

>>3858543

The N64 version is THE original version, that's why. I still say they perfected it with the Dreamcast one but this is a close second.

>> No.3859734

>>3858591

Oh so you're just talking shit, good to know anon.

>> No.3860816 [DELETED] 

>>3859730

No it isn't. Michel Ancel (the lead designer for Rayman 2) stated in an interview with Tim Schafer of doublefine productions that the PC version was the original.

You can see the interview on youtube, doublefine productions Rayman 2. They talk about much more in the interview, such as level design, particle effects, etc.

>> No.3860849

Turok 3 hands down and I can't believe nobody has mentioned it.

>> No.3860870

>>3858456
>>3858452
That transformation was so beautiful and unexpected to me. Damn.

>>3858478
Sin and punishment rapes panzer dragoon meme graphically.

>> No.3860882

>>3859730
original or not, the n64 version kinda sucks. dreamcast or bust.

>> No.3860887
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3860887

>>3860870
wow

>> No.3862239

>>3858543
PC version looks WAAAAAY better the colors are brighter and there is no fog.

>> No.3862265

This game son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEPZjStDUU

>> No.3862283

Top 3 best looking n64 games

1 Turok 3
2 Majoras Mask
3 Conkers Bad Fur Day

>> No.3862293

>>3858282
Every game had SICK LENSFLARES

>> No.3862425
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3862425

Lots of irrational N64 hate itt.
And I fucking love Panzer Dragoon series, the art direction is amazing, but you guys are making PD fans look like delusional fanboys.

Anyway, pic related is my pick for N64 game with best graphics. The polycount and use of textures in this thing is incredible, and without any extra RAM.

>> No.3862431

>>3858426
Super Smash Bros., Mischief Makers, Yoshi's Story, Bangai-O

>> No.3862449
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3862449

Surprised Kirby 64 wasn't mentioned, it looks gorgeous.

>> No.3862690

>>3860849
Surprised I had to scroll this far for this. Turok Rage Wars looks great, Turok 3 might be the best looking game on the system.

>> No.3862694
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>>3862690
It is, it was the closest thing to half life quality graphics on the n64.

>> No.3862793

>>3862431
Bangai-O was on N64? Fuck, I never knew. I had it on Dreamcast. I loved that game.

>> No.3863085

>>3862239
N64 version of Rayman 2 doesn't have distance fog though

>> No.3863168

>>3858405
>without load times and/or the console being considerably more expensive to produce

yeah, ergo, not possible

jesus christ, tripfags eh?

>> No.3863172

>>3863168
>It's not possible to get up on the other side of the bed

>> No.3863243

>>3862425
>hate
there's that word again. Just because you like something more doesn't mean you hate the other thing. Stop being so thick.

> you guys are making PD fans look like delusional fanboys.
the people above are right about panzer dragoon looking much better than the competition.

>> No.3863342

Jet Force Gemini. I also consider that the best game though so I may have some bias

>> No.3863354

>>3858396
>Post calling out tripfag for being retarded gets deleted

>> No.3863420

>>3858282

At least at release:
Wave Race 64
Star Fox 64
Ocarina of Time


Generally:
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Jet Force Gemini
Rogue Squadron
Rayman 2
Majora's Mask
Perfect Dark
World Driver Championship (480p Mode)
Donkey Kong 64
Turok 3

Many of the later good looking titles needed or at least used the Expansion Pak. So yeah.
Some dev's really got a lot out of the N64 over time as well and it is kind of impressive what this thing could do in the right hands (and how awful it could look in incompetent hands as well).

>> No.3863423

>>3863420
Banjo-Kazooie.
While playing the XBLA version a while ago, I was really surprised how good it still looked considering that they just upped the resolution.

>> No.3863453

How has nobody mentioned The World Is Not Enough yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ParpYG-TMCY

>> No.3863480

>>3863453
Because the game is a technical mess on real hardware.

It has mipmaps turned on (which is expensive for old 3D hardware like N64) and not only doesn't use them for any real benefit, it actually makes the textures look worse because it's permanently fixed to a low mip-level.

Ironically this means the game looks better in poorly coded emulators since they don't even have mipmaps working.

>> No.3863645

Is there anyway to improve frame rates on the n64? I know that sounds like a silly question but I remember a few years back hearing about a gameshark code that disabled some of the texture filtering. Does that actually take any load off the CPU or does the code just stop the effect from being displayed.

>> No.3863652

>>3858525
that water looks far worse, dumb ass

>> No.3864135
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>>3863243
>the people above are right about panzer dragoon looking much better than the competition.

Panzer Dragoon series has amazing, creative art direction, but technically it doesn't look better than many of the N64 games people are mentioning. You can notice how the Saturn struggles to keep up with the 3D in many cases, and how many of the effects (explosions, etc) are actually 2D sprites. It's still impressive though, what they did especially with Zwei is amazing, but only in the context of the Saturn, which forte was 2D and not 3D.

>> No.3864175
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3864175

It's old, but I thought Pilotwings 64 was nice to look at. Except for the ice island.

>> No.3864193

>>3860887

wow64

https://youtu.be/k8Ee-G9R_JI?t=6m10s

>> No.3864212

>>3858486
watching those water textures slide around reminds of when I took mushrooms

>> No.3864213

>>3864212
DUDE

>> No.3864421

>>3863645
Those Gameshark codes just disable post-processing which gives you dither and jaggies up the ass.

Since it's just post-processing, it doesn't take up much system time. People have reported a few extra frames, but that's about it.

>> No.3864428
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>>3862449
I always loved how clean it looked.

>> No.3864447

>>3864213

You're a fag.

>> No.3864536

>>3864447
Not really.