>tfw the perfect game will never truly be ruined by a shitty sequel because the rights are sitting in legal limbo Looking on the bright side of life, my friends.

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Anonymous Mon Mar 13 03:46:49 2017 No.3856629 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw the perfect game will never truly be ruined by a shitty sequel because the rights are sitting in legal limbo

Looking on the bright side of life, my friends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 05:14:14 2017 No.3856687 loving this game. And loving the description of new technology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 07:30:10 2017 No.3856837 >>3856687 Not loving it is a sin

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 09:45:42 2017 No.3856968 >>3856629 what dies game feel like playing, I'm talking about the interface, pace, etc... more like civ 2 or 3?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:11:34 2017 No.3857001 >>3856629 People said the same thing about System Shock 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 13:36:24 2017 No.3857247 >>3857001 They were right. No Bioshock can truly usurp SS2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 14:05:48 2017 No.3857280 >>3857247 How about SS3 by EA? A dream come true?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 14:54:20 2017 No.3857384 File: 22 KB, 520x390, 1475284796433.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw /vr/ never wants to participate in Alpha Centurai threads Who's your favorite Faction lads? From the base game or expansion

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 15:01:09 2017 No.3857392 File: 7 KB, 149x178, Nwabudike_Morgan_(SMAC).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3857384 Morgan Industries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdCB9yE9Hcc

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 15:09:15 2017 No.3857402 >>3856629 This would be my favorite game of all time if late game wasn't so ez-mode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 15:13:11 2017 No.3857408 >>3857402 At least those late game techs get pretty insane and interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 16:13:13 2017 No.3857520 >>3857408 Yeah, I find no matter what type of victory I'm going for, choppers and gravships just roll over everyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 16:21:46 2017 No.3857536 >>3857384 The University of Planet Also, did anyone else strongly dislike Alien Crossfire? I hated the new factions so I still exclusively play vanilla.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 16:24:46 2017 No.3857542 >>3857536 I like Alien Crossfire but I usually play without alien factions

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 22:38:05 2017 No.3858193 This is the only game that I've never seen someone talk bad about. This, tetris and pong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 01:55:30 2017 No.3858470 >>3857384 Pirates

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:26:15 2017 No.3859353 >>3858470 Embarrassing but acceptable

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 17:12:48 2017 No.3859823 >>3856629 Always look on the bright side-a yer life

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 18:05:06 2017 No.3860008 >>3857280 Actually SS3 is being made by Warren Spector and a few of the other people who worked on SS1

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 18:53:39 2017 No.3860132 >>3857536 I prefer vanilla. Also, sup Universitybro.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:11:52 2017 No.3860493
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>read the manual
>read all of the interludes
>read both of the prologue stories
>read the three books
>read the GURPS
>excitement for Civilization Beyond Earth when it claimed to be a "spiritual successor" to Alpha Centauri
>get hyped
>realize that the designers didn't understand the spirit of Alpha Centauri in the slightest
>tfw betrayal

I have the answer to the first question of
>>3857384
It's because no one answers the curious anons such as
>>3856968
Civilization II: Brian Reynolds was the lead designer on that game and this one. The actual gameplay and pace is similiar to that of a civilization game. What makes Alpha Centauri different is that it expects you to pause. It's not expecting you to think for ages about your next turn, but to think about the paragraphs you just read, the quote on tech you just discovered, the video you just watched.

Alpha Centauri has rock solid gameplay, but what makes it truly spectacular and special is how much care went into building what went OUTSIDE of the game. Every part of the universe is meticulously made and cared for, right down to the exact number of the force of gravity on Planet.

You can play Alpha Centuari like you would any other Civilization game, but you would only be cheating yourself.

Alpha Centauri is one of the greatest experiences ever made.

Please savor it.

I sit in my cubicle, here on the motherworld. When I die, they will put my body in a box and dispose of it in the cold ground. And in all the million ages to come, I will never breathe, or laugh, or twitch again. So won't you run and play with me here among the teeming mass of humanity? The universe has spared us this moment.
Anonymous, Datalinks

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:27:26 2017 No.3860531 >>3860493 Great, now I'm left paralyzed between renewed inspiration to make the most of my life, and a reminder of my intense fear of death.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:44:28 2017 No.3860560 Smac/x is a good game, but its civ 2 skeleton is terribly outdated now. Needlessly excessive micromanagement.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:51:50 2017 No.3860578
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>>3860493

Also, fuck if you ever think you'd get lucky enough to be in the pod of what faction matches your ideologies and beliefs.

Roll for your pod.

Roll the loaded dice and prepare to pray for your redemption under the light of the Almighty brought to thee by the hands of Sister Miriam Godwinson

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:55:17 2017 No.3860586 >>3860531 >left paralyzed between renewed inspiration to make the most of my life, and a reminder of my intense fear of death. You sort of summed up the entire atmosphere of Alpha Centauri... good job. >>3860578 Also rolling

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:56:42 2017 No.3860590 DRONE RIOTS IN PROGRESS

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 22:59:18 2017 No.3860595 >>3860590 It's cool we repealed the U.N. treaty ages ago nerve staple those fuckers

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:20:03 2017 No.3860632 >>3860493 Which tech/project is accompanied by that flavor text?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:24:22 2017 No.3860641 >>3860578 rolling for university, u.n., or morganites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:28:58 2017 No.3860649 >>3860632 Facility Upgrade: Hab Complex. >>3860641 >gets polar opposite of wants That's a tough break.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:35:49 2017 No.3860662 This game, its expansion, and its supplementary materials are a goldmine of quotes. I have gotten so many (you)s from shitposting them in /sci/, /out/, /an/, /his/, /lit/, and /biz/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:38:33 2017 No.3860670 File: 92 KB, 1024x512, historic ac.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] discuss

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:41:30 2017 No.3860676 >>3857392 how does one play morgan? I keep trying to do the non-interventionist merchant routine but everybody keeps fucking with me

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:42:48 2017 No.3860679 >>3857384 Gaians. I just really enjoy dancing naked through the trees. And mindworms.

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Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:48:44 2017 No.3860686
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>>3860670

Good placement but I see flaws

>Spartans not aggressive towards Peacekeepers
>University not aggressive towards Believers
>Peacekeepers aggressive towards University
>Morganites not aggressive towards Gaians
>Gaians not aggressive towards Morganites
>Believers not aggressive towards literally everyone
>Hive being the initial aggressor towards anyone

The first novel was Spartans trying to fuck up the Peacekeepers
The second novel was the Morganites and the Gaians fucking each other up while the Human Hive is slime as usual
The third novel was "everyone v. Miriam"
There was an entire comic about the Morganites and the Gaians at war.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:49:24 2017 No.3860690 >>3860676 Run free market and/or wealth so you get lotsacash. You probably want quite a lot of bases since they're going to be smaller. Probe teams. Don't expect your treaties to last very long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:52:46 2017 No.3860695 >>3860649 >That's a tough break. always my luck hah

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:54:52 2017 No.3860705

>>3860676

Rush to Industrial Automation: Supply Crawlers fucking everywhere gathering delicious energy
Enjoy rushing out all of your units and having a shit ton of cash
You start with 1-2-1 armor. Rush to Silksteel 1-4-1 armor: this will carry you through the early game
Upgrade your bases with Hab Complexes and Perimeter Defenses ASAP
Never attack first so you can ignore offensive techs

Supply Crawlers make or break games

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 23:57:02 2017 No.3860710 >>3860690 FYI Running free market AND wealth will make most of the factions hate you.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 00:00:40 2017 No.3860718

>>3860705
>Rush to Industrial Automation: Supply Crawlers fucking everywhere gathering delicious energy
Oh, yeah. I didn't mention that since it's the go-to tactic for all the factions if you allow yourself to do it. But I don't really see the point if you're playing against the AI.

>>3860710
I suppose, but you want at least one of them so you get that neat +1 energy/square. Besides, they're most likely going to hate you anyway on the higher difficulties.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 13:26:05 2017 No.3861645 >>3860578 Rolling

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 12:36:24 2017 No.3863428 >>3860578 roll

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 17:28:40 2017 No.3863925 >>3856629 snore

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 23:44:46 2017 No.3864539 >>3863925 Take this back right now

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 23:46:25 2017 No.3864546 File: 1.31 MB, 1920x1080, smac2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Puta chinga madre!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 23:55:34 2017 No.3864565 Please don't leave. The drones need you. They look up to you. I always found that a weird quote.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 23:56:37 2017 No.3864567 >>3860493 I don't find alpha centauri that thought provoking or engaging but perhaps I've already thought about these thoughts

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 23:56:51 2017 No.3864568 >>3864565 I'd get that on exit sometimes, but only rarely. Are there specific conditions that trigger it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 07:13:39 2017 No.3865010 >>3857384 Spartans. The sexy Puerto Rican girl and her super soldiers always get my attention.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 07:19:17 2017 No.3865019 >>3860578 Rolling for based Miriam.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 07:20:48 2017 No.3865021 >>3860493 Am I the only one who believes that this would have made a decent RTS? Something similar to Dune.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:03:54 2017 No.3865910 >>3860578 Rolling for cunt Santiango

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:13:06 2017 No.3865923 >>3860578 come on morgan

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:28:34 2017 No.3865946 Lal is the last sane man on the planet. Everyone else is a caricature of different aspects of human civilization.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:52:05 2017 No.3865970 >>3864568 Love to know this desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 19:20:20 2017 No.3866117 >>3857384 Gaians. I enjoy not having to waste production on building and maintaining combat units. The extra Planet rating is also nice when I inevitably sweep across the world with locusts.

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 19:47:47 2017 No.3866152

>>3860676
Industrial Automation is essential for Morgan.

Morgan starts with +1 Economy, which is means that you do not need to use the crippling Free Market to reach the +2 Economy break point. +2 Economy is important because it gives you +1 energy in every square in every base, and Morgan can reach it using Wealth, which is unlocked at Industrial Automation. Wealth will make only Santiago and Zakharov hate you (of the original factions) and Free Market would give greatly diminished returns on top of Wealth, so you might as well go for Wealth + Green for better Efficiency and to make friends with Gaians.

Your bases are capped at size 4 unless you build Hab Complexes, also unlocked at Industrial Automation. And finally if you want to break the game by abusing Supply Crawlers, those are also unlocked at Industrial Automation, but that one applies to all factions equally.

I recommend getting Formers and Police State researched first, then beeline IA if you're safe, or get laser rovers or even impact rovers to help defend if you're under threat. Then beeline IA, while keeping in mind that every tech you own increases the cost of every subsequent research project.

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 19:56:35 2017 No.3866169

>>3866152
I should add that if you do go Green, do it when your bases are stuck at population cap or are otherwise at a comfortable size. Growing populations is difficult enough for Morgan because of the low cap and since he can't use Planned for the easy Pop Boom, though I think it might be possible to get a Boom by combining Democratic + Children's Creche + Golden Age while staying out of Green to get to a total of +6 Growth.

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 20:46:23 2017 No.3866231

>>3866152
>I recommend getting Formers and Police State researched first,

Police State is shit. The efficiency penalty kills your research and money (needed to buy infrastructure and upgrade units among other things). In return all you get is 2 extra cops per base (+2 support is used to enable the +2 police).

Only the Hive should use Police State because they have inefficiency immunity.

Free Market with expert play will let you blow past everyone else in peacetime. You sacrifice exploration and extermination for boosted expansion and exploitation.
I don't use it because it's a hassle, the AI is easy enough, and I like to balance all 4X at once.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 22:30:30 2017 No.3866389 >>3865946 Lal saves a piece of his dead wife so he can clone her again in the future. He is absolutely the opposite of sane

Anonymous Sat Mar 18 00:22:39 2017 No.3866528
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>SMAC is #7 out of 1910
If this is right, it makes me happy to see this game still popular
Apolyton and Civfanatics still have forums
However, other than tweaking the text files, there aren't any major mods
Is this because of the architecture of the game or lack of a community?

Anonymous Sat Mar 18 01:06:18 2017 No.3866583

>>3866528
The changes available to modders seem to be balance and fluff, both of which are SMAC's strengths. Civ III had boatloads of mods, and it's on the same engine, so maybe it's a case of the original being too good to inspire people to change it?

Whatever the case, I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who still loves Theme Hospital.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 04:49:31 2017 No.3866727 >>3857384 Yang was always my favorite. Nerve stapling everyone and coating the planet in cities is always a good time.

Anonymous Sat Mar 18 06:02:45 2017 No.3866779

>>3866231
Police State is fantastic for everyone except Lal at the beginning of the game. The hit to Efficiency isn't a big deal at the beginning unless you're also using Planned, but being able to support all those free units is huge. You can have a ton of Formers out without it cutting into your production for secret projects, and you can delay building Rec Commons (which cost money to maintain) because of the high Police rating.

I do like to switch to Democratic eventually, but right at the start Support + Police are much more useful than Efficiency + Growth. I'd only use Free Market while I'm teching toward IA but once you have Wealth you really don't need it, and the penalty to Planet only makes it harder to kill Mind Worms for cash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 06:11:17 2017 No.3866785 >>3857384 Gaians. The game has great faction though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 09:57:52 2017 No.3867003 any HD mods out there?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 10:04:28 2017 No.3867009 File: 518 KB, 1552x873, tmp_27662-10f9b4bef79aefe1f0e82d0b56b39c2c_original1861861989.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3856629 Never say never.

Anonymous Sat Mar 18 14:26:50 2017 No.3867370

I'd have to disagree with Lal and Miriam. I understand Miriam's questioning but ultimately she is halting progress for trying to stay pure. Lal on the other hand goes too far with progression, creating workers by genome to work for the colony and never feel pain and love working.

It's interesting how you learn more about the world and characters as you progress. Were these ideas fresh at the time for video games?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 18:41:43 2017 No.3867782 >>3867003 There are some with 1080p support yes. Forget their names though. I remember finding a nice list on some wiki with links to balance mods, graphics mods, ui improvements, and unofficial bug patches.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 20:29:40 2017 No.3867940 >>3867370 lal creates workers by genome? Dude, that's Yang

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 23:48:44 2017 No.3868243 >>3867940 Ah shit I'm learning the game and messed them up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 19 06:25:16 2017 No.3868707 >>3860578 roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 19 09:27:09 2017 No.3868850 >>3857384 The Peacekeepers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 19 09:30:34 2017 No.3868856 >>3860578 Hope dice are half loaded in my favour.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 19 09:37:26 2017 No.3868863 >>3860578 rolles

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 19 09:54:23 2017 No.3868881 >>3860578 ROLL SON

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 19 11:00:24 2017 No.3868939 Great thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 14:10:50 2017 No.3871402 >>3860578 rolling

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 23:15:24 2017 No.3872497 >>3860578 Rolando

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 23:55:14 2017 No.3872562 File: 86 KB, 650x366, pravinlal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3856629 Just reinstalled tonight >ever uninstalling i know i know anyone have link to the guide(s)?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:00:37 2017 No.3874393 I reinstalled this game when I saw this thread and have been addicted ever since. That feel when I keep accepting brotherhood pacts with Skye because she's so qt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:09:31 2017 No.3874420 >>3872562 It's heroin Also what guides?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:12:12 2017 No.3874426 >>3860578 >tfw thread still alive >tfw made this and feel really happy people are rolling and using it T-Thanks Anons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:29:29 2017 No.3874452 File: 904 KB, 4000x4000, 14469823021640.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3874426 Ya did it champ. You saved the Alpha Centurai general

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:37:04 2017 No.3874464 >>3874420 >>3872562 Here's a link to a download of the most popular guide (I think) http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=91 I can't find it online anymore but this download seems to be it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:44:13 2017 No.3874489 File: 220 KB, 1611x1380, 1470258852391.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3874393 I always accept pacts with Santiago even if she'll eventually screw me over

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 19:47:44 2017 No.3874496 >>3874489 saved

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 21:51:04 2017 No.3874779 >>3874489 >behind electrons, quarks Fucking dropped. Devs are fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 21:56:30 2017 No.3874787 >>3874779 I dont know that one mistake necessarily damns the whole game but do what you want friendo.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 23:57:11 2017 No.3875056
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>>3872562
>>3874420
>>3874464

Link to the official prima guide 321pages

https://www.emuparadise.me/magazine-comic-guide-scans/Sid_Meiers_Alpha_Centauri_Prima_Official_eGuide/2525

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 00:03:40 2017 No.3875069 >>3874787 Game devs to be subatomic physicists, apparently.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 00:12:05 2017 No.3875082 >>3860493 Dat fuckin poem. Also I agree with everything you said. SMAC is an classic because it uses the excellent game underneath to build a complex, coherent future world and asks us to think about the implications of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 00:42:16 2017 No.3875138 >>3856629 >>tfw the perfect game will never truly be ruined by a shitty sequel because the rights are sitting in legal limbo /spoiler the Gal Civ series is a strong competitor

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 00:45:43 2017 No.3875143 >>3875056 McCubbin and Ladyman knocking it out of the park.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 00:50:22 2017 No.3875146 >>3875138 Gal Civ has none of SMAC's character and setting development, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 02:09:46 2017 No.3875250 >>3875069 Yeah basically. That quote may be wrong but considering the rest of the game, I dont think that one small mistake means shit when they crafted the rest of the atmosphere amazingly.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 05:20:27 2017 No.3875482

>>3864567

I seriously think that people make mountains out of molehills with its flavortext, but the flavortext is integrated far better than it is in Beyond Earth. Gameplay and lore were completely separate in that game, and although the lore was extensive, it wasn't especially interesting.

It might also depend on how much you play the game: seeing the same quotes over and over gives you more time to think them over, same as with the quotes in Civ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 09:50:27 2017 No.3875751 >>3875056 That's really useful. Especially the "Why don't the computer players like me?" page - I used to be pretty irked by how aggressive AI can be in these games but the reasons listed in the guide make sense.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:03:05 2017 No.3876407 >>3876080 Man all the different base types look pretty cool. That's the Gaians right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 18:49:10 2017 No.3876613 >>3856629 Games and series in general can not be ruined by one bad thing. This is almost worse than people who think a fanbase can ruin something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 00:22:03 2017 No.3877162 >>3876613 A game series can be ended prematurely or delayed indefinitely by a disappointing sequel. It took quite a while for enough people to forget about Deus Ex: Invisible War to make Human Revolution viable.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 00:42:35 2017 No.3877215

Don't mind me just posting best quote from best philosopher.

>And when the hourglass has run out, the hourglass of temporality, when the noise of secular life has grown silent and its restless or ineffectual activism has come to an end, when everything around you is still, as it is in eternity, then eternity asks you and every
individual in these millions and millions about only one thing:
Whether you have lived in despair or not.

—Soren Kierkegaard,
“The Sickness Unto Death”, Datalinks

>>3866152
I usually play modded Morgan with +2 Econ so you can +5 Econ with FM+Wealth, otherwise you are gimped hard in the mid/early game in Transcendent.

Also another excellent point about SMAC, you can mod/balance the factions to have the bonuses and penalties you want, say for example instead of giving Morgan the +2 Econ as a Faction bonus you give him Impunity for running FM or Wealth, improving your only strategy.

It's pretty chill if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 01:37:09 2017 No.3877324 >>3876407 Yea. I'm surprised with the detail they put in this game

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 03:02:30 2017 No.3877446 >>3867370 >I understand Miriam's questioning but ultimately she is halting progress for trying to stay pure. She wants us to question the techs that we develop so we don't do what we did on earth, which we end up doing on planet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 15:48:42 2017 No.3878438 >>3876407 I knew it was the giains because that city resembles oyster mushrooms Speaking the giains, they're called "stepsisters" to indicate the broken lineage between themselves and the rest of humanity. They're traitors to the human race and cucks

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 15:56:25 2017 No.3878453

>>3874489

Even the blurbs from each faction are enough to amaze me, the error in Zakharov's quote notwithstanding (see above.) I like that each quote is completely lost in the vocabulary and thought of the faction leader in question, to the point where its not likely that they'd understand each other at all despite the common tongue. It also fits their personalities - Zakharov is in wonder whilst Santiago's demeanour is short and straight to the point.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 18:05:43 2017 No.3878662

Mindworms are still a challenge in the late game, and even more so of a challenge depending on your actions (or maybe if the other remaining factions have heavy industry and poor ecological effects). As far as I can tell, the Civilization games haven't found a way to replicate that with their 'barbarian' units.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 18:15:33 2017 No.3878675 >>3877215 Should I mod Morgan even though I don't use him? Always thought he was underpowered. Would the mod be on effect when the ai uses him?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 18:17:19 2017 No.3878679 >>3878675 If anything I think Morgan can be overpowered - I adopt wealth and free market after cowing to the demands of other factions and securing the border settlements, then use the huge profits to speed up the secret projects or military units.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 18:34:26 2017 No.3878706 Please not Spartan Federation..

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 18:53:00 2017 No.3878727 >>3878675 I think the harsh population cap is what screws the AI over so much, maybe try reducing or removing that.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:01:52 2017 No.3878739

Is there any way to leverage the Spartans' military might to go for a non-domination strategy? For example, with Mirriam, you can use the support bonus you start with to build lots of formers and quickly terraform your cities to improve their usefulness, and with Morgan, you can leverage your massive income to quickly assemble an army from nothing. I feel like the Spartans are sort of pigeon-holed into early rush attacks because despite their military superiority, tech and industry quickly outranks veteran soldiers in conflicts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:16:05 2017 No.3878756 >>3856629 Noob here. Reading the backgrounds of the different leaders and see that some were born in the 2010's and yang was born in 1999. If the planetfall takes place in 2150 how are these nigs still alive?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:18:50 2017 No.3878760 Is it possible to manually set who neighbours who? I don't like seeing that Spartan Fed has knocked out the University and Gaia after just 20 turns.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:20:03 2017 No.3878761

>>3878756

They find longevity vaccines at some point before Planetfall. This is actually a secret project in the game itself - but in one of the text interludes, a character is referred to have been born on Planet and has been taking some sort of life-lengthening cure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:21:05 2017 No.3878765 >>3878756 Oh fuck and I completely forgot - they were all cryofrozen on the voyage to Alpha Centauri.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:48:08 2017 No.3878945 >>3878765 O I see. What year did the unity Leave earth? If yang and yakov were born in the 90's there would have to have been some life extension tech on earth right? If it was only discovered on Planet,it would be too late

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:25:53 2017 No.3879018 >>3878945 I think 2060s? I don't remember where I saw this date, but IIRC planet Earth has gone through an entire game of Civilization II and everyone is destroying each other along with Earth, so a UN ship departs - leading to the events of SMAC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:03:19 2017 No.3880240 File: 731 KB, 1920x1080, faction liberation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3878760 AI factions knocking each other out can't be helped, but at least it allows you to do this fun thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:05:15 2017 No.3880247 File: 2.97 MB, 200x180, 1467913460003.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3880240 Interesting, I had no idea you could do this.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:47:34 2017 No.3880343

>>3880247
The flavor text mentions a Punishment Sphere, but all it actually takes to liberate someone is to send a probe team to the HQ of a faction that has wiped out someone else. Faction leaders apparently never kill each other, but prefer to keep the defeated leader around as a trophy.

The liberated faction is fairly useless, but I think you get them as a little pact buddy for the rest of the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:47:58 2017 No.3880345 >>3878739 You can pop boom and then run FM for techs; but it takes a while to get going. Better than Yang really. >>3878675 Just mod him to find out; AI knows how to use the early advantage of +2 Econ and it makes for a more interesting game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:48:32 2017 No.3880347 >>3880343 They don't get a new colony pod or anything?

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:53:13 2017 No.3880357

>>3880347
They do, but the game has usually progressed quite far at that point, and I've only ever seen them respawn on some secluded island where they don't amount to much.

Maybe it's different if you can pull this off early, or on a huge map with lots of unclaimed land available.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 12:55:18 2017 No.3880365 How shit is Yang >-2 Econ >Cant pop boom >-2 Econ >Inefficient as fuck >-2 Econ >FM does shit Worst faction? Worst faction.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:57:59 2017 No.3880483
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>>3880365

That pop growth tho.

Yang is actually OP. Because of his efficiency and population growth +2, you just crank out colonies and troops at the beginning of the game then threaten for all your techs, for a fairly easy conquest victory.

Colonies. Colonies everywhere.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 21:08:40 2017 No.3881327
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I beat SMAC as Morgan via transcendence, now I'm playing Alien Crossfire (but with original factions) as Yang and trying to win via... I'm not sure. I guess its heading towards conquest victory but I always wanted to see how much butthurt I could cause. As I had read, Planet does start sending doomstacks of mindworms and spore launchers but although they did knock down a few of my cities down to size, they eventually stopped even though I'm still launching Fusion Busters (and now Quantum Busters). Is that a bug or did I defeat Planet or something?

Anyway if not for Pressure Domes everyone would have drowned by now. I even voted to have the ice caps melted a couple of times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 23:53:00 2017 No.3881575 >>3881327 That's actually pretty neat. I've never thought of purposely fucking over the environment before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 00:27:11 2017 No.3881625 >>3878756 The Unity leaves earth in 2060. They are cryo frozen until 2100

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 03:04:37 2017 No.3881821 >>3880483 >growth +2 You mean +1, right? Still hot shit. Yang a shit, A SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 11:14:45 2017 No.3882382 >>3860578 Rollin'

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 11:55:53 2017 No.3882464 >>3880365 Can't you pop boom with Golden Ages?

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 14:03:53 2017 No.3882591

>>3882464
>>3880365
Just tried it myself since I wasn't sure, yes you can.

With Planned economics and a Children's Creche, The Hive was at size 6 with 8 turns until growth. I adjusted the sliders so that it went into Golden Age, and it grew to size 7 instantly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 01:04:48 2017 No.3883802 >>3882464 >>3882591 >Golden age >Transcendent Difficulty >With -2 Econ and Zero Efficiency Not sure if serious.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 05:34:09 2017 No.3884224 >>3883802 I don't know what you're trying to say. Can you make a complete sentence instead of listing game concepts in greentext?

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 12:33:12 2017 No.3884712

>>3878739
Spartans are the most versatile military faction in my experience. Since their banned civic is Wealth, which is only rarely preferrable over Knowledge, they can go for pretty much any victory they want.

You are correct that early aggression is the key for Spartans, but after they have conquered their first or two opponents there's nothing stopping them from transitioning into a domestic powerhouse.

I'm going to assume we're playing on the highest difficulty. Democratic Planned economy Spartans get +4 Growth for population boom. +1 Police from their faction bonus lets them neutralize 2 extra drones with Non-Lethal Methods. Assuming no wonders, and only basic Recreation Commons, this gives Spartans +6 drones neutralized, which incidentally is the population cap without a Hab Complex.

Our strategy then is to conquer one or two factions with our aggressive early game bonuses. Transition into Democratic Planned economy and population boom all of your conquered cities into 7 population. Once you're population capped, switch into Police State Green economics. With +3 Police your police units now neutralize 3 drones each. This lets you grow your cities to population 12 without any drones. Add Hologram Theaters and you're at 14 pop which is the cap without Habitation Dome.

At this point you can either keep going as is, invest into a military to conquer the rest of the factions, or invest enough into infrastructure to change into Free Market mode. With the Spartan +1 Police bonus Police State Free Market only drops you to -2 Police, so you don't have to worry about any extra drones from military units.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 13:28:52 2017 No.3884813 File: 645 KB, 1680x1050, electionfraud.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it never even occurred to me this could happen. the planet will just have to live without a governor for the next 20 years.

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 18:33:19 2017 No.3885291

Im struggling with the game. Can someone give me a list of priorities to concern myself with for say the first hour or 2?

In my last attempt i was ahead in research for the 1st few years but was quickly pounced on by yang and he took a base from me and i never recovered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 18:57:34 2017 No.3885343 >>3885291 I also dont understand how the game determines how long it will take a base to complete a task, foe example one turn it will tell me a base will take 100turns to finish then a few turns later it says 60something turns

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 19:04:11 2017 No.3885362 >>3884813 Kek, that's great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 21:51:58 2017 No.3885590 >>3885343 Your city grew more population and has more production Or a unit from the city was lost or colony pod from the city settled and the city has less upkeep

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 01:51:37 2017 No.3885970 >>3860578 roll

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 02:03:20 2017 No.3885987 Anyone here plays the factions the opposite the way they're intended to be played? When I play the Gaian faction, I use planet busters and supply crawlers once they're available.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 03:34:38 2017 No.3886104

>>3885291
Always change your Research Priority on turn 1 to 'Explore' and you'll get terraforming as your first tech.

Change to 'Wealth' afterwards until you get Recreation Commons for -2 drones.

Change to 'Discover' for Recycling Tanks or go straight to 'Conquer' and keep at it until you get Nonlinear Mathematics for Impact Weapons. Impact Weapons are the largest single military upgrade in the game from 2 (lasers) to 4 attack rating. The faction which gets them first can take out its neighbors without even trying. The AI understands this and will always try to threaten, bribe and beg for for it. Never trade this technology to them.

For the first 70 turns or so, spam colony pods to rapidly expand until you hit your Efficiency soft-cap for number of bases. Your construction queues should be 1 Scout Patrol per base for protection against mind worms and police, 1 Former per base and 1 Colony Pod per base. You can then either build Recreation Commons and Recycling Tanks or just keep building more Colony Pods.

If you have a base with good production consider going for an early Secret Project. Letting the AI bully you for energy or tech in the early game is usually cheaper than getting into a war that will cripple your growth.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:14:06 2017 No.3887521 >>3886978 Environmental damage in disguise

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 10:06:27 2017 No.3888714

>>3886978
Is there actually any drawback to de-fungusing the entire planet? It was my goal as Mirriam to remove non-earth life from planet, but it keeps springing back up.

Would be neat if instead of transcendence, you could just eradicate planet instead.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 10:10:26 2017 No.3888719

>>3886104
>Letting the AI bully you for energy or tech in the early game is usually cheaper than getting into a war that will cripple your growth.

It took me so long to learn this. I absolutely refused to ever give in to any demand, whatsoever, or ally with any other faction, so I'd almost always wind up at war with the entire world while trying to remain neutral.

Turns out, 50 energy credits is pennies compared to shifting your entire industry to build rovers and slug it out with three other factions for a hundred years. And if you join a block of allies, you don't even have to pay since the world deadlocks and no one is willing to fight each other because they can't win.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 10:20:47 2017 No.3888729 Lads, just got this for the first time. What should be my first faction?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 10:28:42 2017 No.3888735 >>3888729 Miriam it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 12:59:18 2017 No.3888935 >>3856629 >>tfw the perfect game will never truly be ruined by a shitty sequel because the rights are sitting in legal limbo inb4 spiritual successor kickstarter is announced

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:12:20 2017 No.3888945 >>3888729 Zakharov, and try to build the secret project "The Hunter-Seeker Algorithm".

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:28:14 2017 No.3888980 File: 1023 KB, 852x568, pent.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you play with Blind Research ON or Off? Ive been playing with it Off and have been kicking ass this game, am i cheating?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:31:10 2017 No.3888986 >>3857001 System Shock 2 is far from perfect it isn't even as good as its predecessor

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:51:25 2017 No.3889026 >>3878438 They're Gaia's "stepchildren", because they've been "adopted" by Planet

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 15:24:45 2017 No.3889265 >>3888935 >inb4 spiritual successor kickstarter is announced Already happened, m8. Pandora: First Contact

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 17:01:38 2017 No.3891316 >>3856629 >SMAC thread still alive 15 days later. Nice

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 18:41:06 2017 No.3891464 >>3888980 Yes

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 13:33:00 2017 No.3892746

>>3888729 here. So I just finished my first run with Miriam (diplomatic victory) and it was kinda fun. Usual tales of switching sides and marching armies.

Tried the scientist next and upped the difficulty and it was like a different game. Stopped playing after rather short session because suddenly Miriam had roflstomped half a planet and I started loosing settlements left and right. Drone riots everywhere, agressive neighbours. Fun!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 14:58:40 2017 No.3892862 >>3860578 Roll

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 21:05:29 2017 No.3893586 >>3860578 rollan no morgan freeman pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 11:20:46 2017 No.3894709 >>3860578 Come on, papa needs a brand new research node.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 13:47:05 2017 No.3894919
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>>3860531
Death is nothing to be afraid of. If you need something to fear, think of the time a hundred billion years in the future.

Spacetime will have stretched so much that most of the universe we see today will have receded from sight.

The brightest stars will have died off and only a handful of new stars are born. The dim red dwarfs are impossible to see with a naked eye.

The earth and any planet habitable today will have lost it's atmosphere and the plate tectonics will have died off long ago, leaving a cooling, shrinking, frozen wasteland to orbit a bright but tiny white dwarf.

A darkness sets upon the universe, here and there lit by a short-lived spark when a star gets eaten by a black hole.

In time, all matter will burn away by proton decay and even the supermassive black holes will slowly waste away, leaving behind photons that the expansion of space will also attenuate out of existence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:03:35 2017 No.3895803 File: 177 KB, 1920x1080, 6000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eternity lies ahead of us and behind 7th page bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:11:23 2017 No.3895820 File: 119 KB, 999x800, 999px-Near-stars-past-future-en.svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3894919 25 - 30 000 years in the future AC will be around 1 lighyear close to us

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