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Previous thread >>3817601

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x (embed) (Update ETA - Soon™)
An Anon's Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ (embed)
An Anon's Guide to differentiating Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ (embed)
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W (embed)
BKM-10R Protocol Information : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J (embed)

/crt/ Discord Server : https://discord.gg/EFWPCYE
/crt/ Thread Master List : http://pastebin.com/GPqvkwX5 (embed) (Links to be updated soon)

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Collaborative Consumer CRT Project Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd3_OraDPRRN_OzQ4r_-CqoNPR9J0r2KtFrpV6iuXdxM3DDJg/viewform

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Captain PVMeme reporting, sir. Remember to always fall for the meme.

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Transcript of 1986 RCA product development meeting:

>CEO: So, the Dimensia range. What have we got?
>Chief designer: Well sir, it's big. Real big. We'll have to lay on extra shifts at the simulated woodgrain to satisfy production demand...
>CEO: Great! I love big wood. Keep it up!
>Chief designer: Thank you sir. Just one issue. It's the back. I can't seem to fill it. We need bigger connectors on there. RCA jacks simply can't cut it any more.
>CEO: Hmmmm...
>CTO: I think I may have a solution. In Europe they have a connector called SCART. It's big. Real big, and can do all sorts of things.
>CEO: Tell me more.
>CTO: Well, it can carry composite video in and out simultaneously for VCRs and such. It can automatically switch on connected devices and select the appropriate input when those devices are switched on. It can also work in reverse to switch on and configure the TV when a connected device is powered on. It could be used in the future to configure the TV for different aspect ratios when fed an appropriate signal. It also has support for RGB and enough pins left over to accommodate future signal standards. I hear Matsushita is developing an enhanced VHS standard using separate luminance and chrominance signals. Rumour is it will be called Super Video and we need to future proof. This connector could make out sets the envy of the world.
>CEO: Big...okay, I like the sound of it. Does the EIA have this thing on their books yet?
>CTO: Not yet. Would you like me to speak to them?
>CEO: Most certainly! Make sure they simplify it though. Take out all that artsy fartsy stuff you talked about. We only need composite and don't want to confuse our user base. Tell them it needs to be BIG.
>CTO: Errr...
>CEO: Great seeing you guys! Pencil us in 9 months from now for the launch meeting. Now, where are my golf clubs...

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>> No.3854961

Does anyone know how to switch to overscan on a BVM 1315? I started a thread about it but it didn't get very far...the monitor has faint white lines toward the top of the screen

Also if anyone has the service manual for this monitor I'd be eternally grateful

>> No.3854989

The flyback transformer on my PVM-20L5 is dying :(. How fucked am I? Repairable? Replaceable?

>> No.3854993

Will you end up looking like that if you get a PVM because I'd rather not risk it

>> No.3855074

what's it doing?

>> No.3855110

Second button down on the left hand panel switches between regular and underscan.

If that doesn't help i.e they still show when set to regular then you need to manually adjust the vertical raster size for normal operation.

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These were brand new in their boxes sitting in a closet at work. They were gonna throw them in the trash. Two little TM-910SUs, a TM-A101G and the bigger TM-H1375SU. Nice to have backups.

>> No.3855152

On full white or bright screens (or any scene if the contrast is set high enough:

Whining/grinding noise
Picture blinking off and on rapidly
Scanlines "shaking" or flickering

Everything looks great and with a low contrast setting but it will freak out of i crank the contrast or on all white screens.

Upon further research replacing the flyback looks fairly simple but now I need to find out which part I need and edre to get it.

>> No.3855184

Nigga is that Mystic Towers?

>> No.3855193

Is it worth it to get one of the old apple RGB displays, and cobble together a cable to connect it to a console?

>> No.3855226


Switching scanning modes didn't help. Can the vertical raster size be adjusted from the pullout board or do they need to be adjusted inside the monitor?

>> No.3855275

Gonna go out on a limb and say yes.

>> No.3855292

>Can the vertical raster size be adjusted from the pullout board

You tell us. You have the thing in front of you and that model is so old there are no details of the internal controls available on t'interwebs.

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what it doooo

>> No.3855370


Ahh this is going to be fun. I'll see what I can find.

>> No.3855458

You posting that in the last thread is what prompted me to post mine.

There's one crucial difference between them. Can anyone tell what it is?

>> No.3855464

It ought to be fairly obvious. You're looking for a v.size control or something very similar.

Could you also post an image of the problem you're seeing? I can think of a couple of separate issues which would cause what you seem to be describing. One would benefit from being hidden but the other might need some more drastic action to remedy in a proper fashion.

>> No.3855509

You need X-4560-177-1

As for where to get one I seem to recall Anonymous of Jacksonville recently got a couple of faulty L5s he was looking to fix up. Not sure if they were 14s or 20s but it may be worth asking him if he's willing to part one out.

>> No.3855545


As it turns out, v size is adjustable; however it doesn't seem to have any effect. Sure, I'll post a pic. Let's see if I can get a good one...

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I turned up the brightness to show the effect more clearly. With brightness turned down only one line is visible

>> No.3855571

Yeah it is. If it's a 1st generation like a damn IIGS monitor or some shit. But get the system if the faggit has it also so that you can go to /mu/ and shine them on with the most recent Apple audio hardware.

>> No.3855589

you got it.

>> No.3855614

I believe your G2 needs adjustment.

It's open heart surgery time I'm afraid. The control will be either on the neckboard or flyback itself.

>> No.3855715


I suspected that. Honestly I'm just happy to know what the problem is.

If I don't die I'll post back, hopefully with the problem solved. This monitor looks nothing like the interior of my PVM, and I'm not sure if it even has a g2 trim adjustment...but here I go.

>> No.3855725


RGB vs composite?

>> No.3855731
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asking this from last thread
is this a good sony crt for mostly playing snes games? it is $30 at the local thrift shop

>> No.3855740

I'd say it's the ideal way to play SNES games.

>> No.3855742

thanks i really wanted to get it to start retro gaming but it's a really big and heavy tv the workers at the thrift store would'nt help me carry it and i have no friends to help me reee

>> No.3855752


It's $30 too high. You can get free (and better) trinitrons on CL any day of the week.

>> No.3855758

what makes this one worse than other trinitrons?

>> No.3855802

Mine >>3855138 is RGB.

Can't vouch for the other anon.

>> No.3855816

Take this. You may need it.


>> No.3855820

Just picked up a very pristine Sony Trinitron KV-PG21P10.

I have an issue with it though that I can't find a solution to. While using/playing, the brightness will randomly slowly go up and down. Is it a problem with the tubes/lighting itself or just a settings issue?

Pls help.

>> No.3855823

Capacitors somewhere in there are shot.

Pristine on the outside is no guarantee in this game.

>> No.3855830


I'm not a trinitron scientist or anything, so maybe some are more suitable for retro gaming, but you can get newer, larger, and better condition ones. They seem to be pretty common.

Seriously. Get on the free section of craigslist and check it out. Check the electronics section as well for some too, but I'd wait for a nice free one to pop up in your city or nearby.

>> No.3855848

You mean that flat tube rubbish?
Not much larger than a 32" 4:3 unless you start looking at presentation monitors. Add a zero to the price at the very least and be prepared to travel/ship long distance
>better condition
Condition of that one looks fine

>I'm no Trinitron scientist
No shit

>> No.3855851

I know, but was still hanging onto slim hope it was pristine inside and that I just needed to change a setting. Thanks for answering. I'll just hang onto it regardless, a solid upgrade to what I originally used even with the brightness issue.

>> No.3855854


This is incredibly helpful. Thank you very much, anon.

>> No.3855861


Hey friend. I conceded that I did not know if others would be more suitable for retro gaming. Thanks for your input though!

>> No.3855865

Perhaps you should lurk more then

>> No.3855867

Someone sells several new PVM-20L2MD in original box:


I`m a kraut so not risking the shipping overseas but burgers who are still looking for a PVM should jump on this.

>> No.3855930


They're common and free... but by all means, people can pay what they want, when they want to, for whatever they want. Personally, I would get a free one instead of spending $30. I understand that since you spend more time in a CRT thread that you know more about them, except in this case, that they are free.

>> No.3855937

Anyone know any good references on analog video signals? From the electronics side, like actually generating one.

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>quibbling over an hour's wages

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>> No.3856081

Dumb Question is Dumb:
Since the pinout for the genesis 1 is so simple, and it's just a standard DIN8 connector, why wouldn't you just buy the parts from mouser and build your own RGB cable? Wiring it to bnc or rca connectors is pretty trivial. What am I missing here? Why do I see so many people chaining breakout cables to scart cables, wasting loads of money doing so in the process?

>> No.3856089

md/gen is a rarer U din, and you need resistors and caps on the lines.
They fit easily in a scart plug, not so much in a bnc plug...

>> No.3856090

keep it in /g/. in the future, try and make it make sense too.

>> No.3856091

rgb meme autists actually have no idea what they're doing

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Mine is RGB to Component on a Genesis 2.

>> No.3856146


Updating on progress so far:

I found the G2 trim. Just need to take apart the entire fucking monitor just to access the trim without killing myself. It's going to be a long night.

>> No.3856372


Okay. First I'll start off with tldr; I adjusted the G2 trim and the problem persisted. I'll check the caps.

Now with the detailed response...

This bastard of a monitor was NOT designed with maintenance in mind. It was possibly an afterthought; the trim is directly below the flyback, which usually isn't a problem. On all the PVMs and some of the BVMs I ever repaired, the component boards would either fold out or were easily removable, to some extent. Over here there are two MASSIVE pieces of metal attached to the front of the monitor, as well as with a bunch of unnecessary screws throughout the rest of the chassis, separating not only the component boards with a ridiculous amount of space but also my hopes and dreams of accessing the G2 as they were just close enough to make accessing any part of the flyback awkward and unwieldy.

So, after shocking myself on the power supply for the fifth FUCKING time I went gorillamode on the metal barriers. I completely destroyed them just so I could get access to the trim...only to find it was already adjusted. So, the quest continues...now to check the caps.

I'm just glad I got the monitor for free. For the rest of you: DON'T BUY A BVM 1315. DON'T EVEN TAKE A FREE ONE. Christ.

>> No.3856376


I will say the quality is about as good as you could expect from a 700 line BVM. But if it's not the caps I would be VERY hard-pressed to NOT throw it in the trash.

>> No.3856383

>the workers at the thrift store would'nt help me carry it
What type of garbage thrift store is that? Anywhere selling furniture and appliances I've ever went to at the bare minimum will help you load it into your vehicle. It's only once it's there that it become solely your problem.

Really all depends on the area. You can still find larger FD models (at least near me), but they're even heavier and more difficult to move than the equivalent sized models from the 90s, and not a definite on being free. $30 for a decent sized 90s Trinny with S-Video is by no means a bad buy, and is going to have better chances of not having (major) linearity/geometry problems than the flat models.

262 Horseshoes aren't too difficult to find. Valid point on resistors, but you could technically just have a little box riding inline if you really wanted to go that route.

>> No.3856404

tell me about refresh rates /crt/
why do jamma arcade monitors use 15hz?
why do regular consumer tv's and monitors use 60hz?
what's the difference?
when is my dad coming home?

>> No.3856407

>but you could technically just have a little box riding inline if you really wanted to go that route.
at that point it's reinventing the wheel to make it square just to be that special flower.

>> No.3856417

you're mixing up khz and hz.
15khz is a sync range for low resolution.
60hz is a refresh rate.
dad will be home in 10min go to bed.

>> No.3856418

There are other ways to go about it, that's just the simplest.

(Standard Res) Arcade monitors don't use 15hz, they use 15.6khz(horizontal frequency) and (usually) ~60hz (vertical). That's the same as the consumer stuff and professional monitors use.

There are some games that run at a lower vertical refresh to get a slightly higher resolution, like R-Type and Mortal Kombat, but the horizontal frequency stays the same

>> No.3856429

thanks guys i'm gonna pretend i've been asleep this whole time :o)

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gunbird is very cool.

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closeups are nice too.

Monitor is an Ikegami HTM-2050RA1.

>> No.3856510

I made my own cables, using multicore minicoaxial cable I had for Megadrive, PC Engine Duo and consolized MVS. No audio hum, like cheap cable has. Also it's really thick, which is a plus.
Used SCART sockets at the end though, for compatibility with OSSC snd consumer set though (still can use SCART-BNC breakout for RGB monitors).

Now I got Extron matrix switch with VGA connectors, and want to build custom cables for all consoles I own. VGA socket still can fit caps and resistors, I can omit 5V line and use separate cable for audio output.
Unfortunately, I have no idea where I could get proprietary console AV connectors. Like PS1, Dreamcast or Nintendo systems use. Buying cheap Chinese cables to cannibalize is an option, but there must be some other ways.

>> No.3856519

Could always just toss VGA connectors on the consoles themselves if you really wanted to.

You could possibly try hitting up some of the various cable makers out there to see where they source their connectors from. I sort of suspect they may resort to some cannibalization based on the connector the PS1/2 SCART cable I have (I believe from r_c_a) seemingly matching up with a third party one I saw at some point.

>> No.3856556

that's really pretty, anon. great game, too.

>> No.3856673

So we've established that both are RGB (or functionally identical equivalent). So what could the difference be?

Hint: It's something which could save a lot of people here money and hassle if implemented intelligently.

>> No.3856702

The 15 is horizontal. The 60 is vertical. At a given vertical refresh, the resolution will be determined by the horizontal refresh. Say 57.018 fps (vertical refresh) at 320x240 will be about 15.4 Hz horizontal

>> No.3856708

It doesn't stay the same. Horizontal changes with resolution and framerate. Arcade monitors and PVMs can do 45 to 62+ Hz vertical and something like 14 to 17 horizontal.

>> No.3856712

KHz typo for horizontal

>> No.3856793

I dunno. Are you emulating or something?

>> No.3856797

I really doubt these cable makers would even answer request like this. Unless they are interested in losing profit.
I also couldn't find anything at taobao.

>> No.3856805

I wish I had kawaii teacups. Im jelly.

>> No.3856806

>Horizontal changes with resolution and framerate
I was specifically referring to a situation such as with R-Type, where you're both lowering the refresh but also increasing the resolution, balancing the change out.

Dropping just the refresh will obviously result in a (more sizable) change.

Never know unless you try, and specifically request the info for personal use.

>> No.3856929

My CRT burnt out or something
Will this work for playing an N64 on an H D T V?

>> No.3856973

Dead link; it it's a Composite to HDMI adapter; it will work but you won't be happy.

>> No.3856991

N64 is tricky because it's the hardest to get a clear picture out of. S Video isn't even much of an improvement for it

>> No.3857117


It's running on metal (Mega Drive II, VA4 mainboard)

>> No.3857226

What's the deal then?

>> No.3857229

Why do CRTs have to be so fragile? Mine's got some dumb issue where the screen occasionally gets a green tint, when it's really bad I can see the flyback lines.

Guess it's back to waiting around on eBay for a cheap one to pop up again.

>> No.3857435

Is there a noticeable difference in quality going from random 3rd party gc/wii component cables to Nintendo ones? Using cheap ones now and 240p games (rondo mainly) look really good, close to my genesis/snes/psx outputting RGB. Any input?

>> No.3857482

R-Type runs at a resolution of 384 × 256

55.017606 Hz vertical

15.625 kHz horizontal

>> No.3857486

Bad Dudes runs at a resolution of 256 × 240

57.392103 Hz vertical

15.668 kHz horizontal

>> No.3857489

DoDonPachi runs at a resolution of 320 × 240

57.550645 Hz vertical

15.654 kHz horizontal

>> No.3857495

Note that horizontal frequency certainly does not "stay the same"

>> No.3857573

LCDs die from stupid things, CRTs like yours die from extreme use over a long period of time. When they go out, they go out with a bang. When LCDs go out, it's a crash, silence, and mystery at what part of the board went wrong, so it comes to replacing the entire board or the entire screen. either way better off just getting a new set. CRTs can be maintained pretty well, and it does sound like you've got some bad caps.

>> No.3857685

I'll keep y'all in suspense for the time being.

The thread is too young to withstand such a bombshell.

>> No.3857838

>>>3857226 (You)
>I'll keep y'all in suspense for the time being.
>The thread is too young to withstand such a bombshell.
It's an LCD probably.

>> No.3857847

Or magic / super resolutions on a 31 kHz+ CRT

>> No.3857852

Getting a Sony Trinitron soon, what do you guys look for in component cables? Do you buy 3rd party or OEM?

>> No.3857869

depends on the console. PS2 looks fine on the 3rd party component cables I have

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>> No.3857979
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So I have a magnavox TS2753 C103 It has Coax and composite input, but I can't get composite working. I'm forced to use a vcr connected via coax to use rca.

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trying this again with a more interesting picture to see if somebody has any input.

i got a 1354Q pvm in the mail and have been using it for RGB, however it has a BKM-101c SDI Kit installed.

i want to know how viable it would be to use a hdmi to sdi converter for that older 259M input so i can plug whatever i want into this like a retropie.

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front if anyone cares, turned contrast down so my camera would play nice.

>> No.3858259

i watched like 5 minutes of some pretty gross porn today because there was a nice tube in the background of the shot

>> No.3858289

couldn't you just get a pi2scart and some bnc cables for rgb?

>> No.3858301

That's the one I've got, with the SMPTE170m phosphors. What's this BKM-101c SDI kit you speak of?

>> No.3858312

You're correct, but I mean relatively speaking. You're not seeing a massive change in the horizontal sync rate, especially when you have a change in vertical resolution.

Rewrote the first post few times, and essentially said that in it. My fault for not keepin that bit in.

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>> No.3858321

They're related mathematically. As related as watts, ohms, and amps. Take any two and the other can be determined.

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What's causing the shadows to look like that bros, is it the FOV or the crt resolution making it look like that?

>> No.3858349

those are very expensive tea cups.

>> No.3858438


can you try super-sampling? Might help with the uh, low res.

That's not the kind of game that looks better low res lol

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the big metal box on the right is the SDI kit.

it's option and is a digital input accepting 480i. i noticed some moderately cheap adaptors let you convert hdmi to sdi and supposeably has compatibility with the 259M standard this 1354Q supports.

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Just purchased this space exploring microwave. Has component/RGBHV/YPbPr option board installed. Board is also compatible with late run Ikegami and Panasonic monitors. Cost me about $145.

19 inches, my god this is my best score yet.

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small picture i found online showing a removed bkm-101c

it was an optional accessory you could add to the 1354Q, it's also works on some more noteworthy models of pvm too.

>> No.3858646

also my first JVC monitor - I only buy RGB ones. Now I have monitors from Sony, Panasonic, JVC, and the best of the best: Ikegami.

I just want an NEC, 3Q, Bosch, and Mitsubishi RGB monitor now. That is, if Mitsu and Bosch made mid-late 90s or mid 2000's RGB CRTs.

>> No.3858652

absolutely could, i just figured if i could make hdmi input work via converter it would be useable with more than just the retropie.

>> No.3858696

Nice. Ikegami are my favourite too. I only have a 10" one, but there's something about it that keeps me coming back over my larger sets.

You also want a Barco set, btw :)

HDMI-to-HD SDI though? The option card is probably only SD SDI capable.

That first shot actually looks pretty awesome. The shading and light are amazing. The second shot might have been bad luck, as it doesn't look anywhere near as good.

What game btw?

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my HTM-2050RA1 is my holy grail, I love this monitor. I may use my 19" JVC for a tate setup. I imagine it would be awesome for dreamcast with RGBHV on there, I can easily use VGA.

>> No.3858738

>What game btw?
Anon, are you messing with me? Its Doom4, the second pic wasn't meant to be a pretty pic more of a question about some ugly shadows that seem to appear on the CRT, you can sort of see it below the yellow cylinder

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>> No.3858960

Hi, does anybody know whether the Electronblue22II is capped to 160hz refresh?

It can theoretically support more but can't find much info on it.

>> No.3859180

it is SD-SDI, as the converters i am looking at claim to support SD-SDI as long as i feed it a 480i source i would assume it would work.

>> No.3859260

Nice find, Jay.

>> No.3859341


Thanks the one! Thank you so much. Now to track one down...

>> No.3859374

I have a mid-80s PVM that displays what format the input is but when I use my PAL GameCube it displays the image but it doesn't display the format. Is this because PAL GameCubes use PAL-60 and the monitor has no idea what's going on? Should I try forcing 480p instead?

>> No.3859548
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What is this game? It looks super comfy!

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Keio Flying Squadron 2 on the sega saturn, it's not really comfy, it's pretty difficult all things considered, but it's a very good game. Play the original too.

>> No.3859590

There's no such thing as a format with a PVM. Tell it to use PAL colors with the buttons, let it sync how it wants. It can handle 45 Hz sync up to 65 Hz or so. Clearly it's either 50 or 60 in this case. Just rock it.

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>> No.3859659
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Displaying the color is fine, it automatically figures it out and it will show PAL or NTSC on the side panel depending on what signal it is. I'm just being autistically triggered by how the monitor doesn't show PAL when it should which is making me question what output I'm getting, PAL60? PAL50i? PAL480p? REEEEEEEEE

>> No.3859820
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In time.

>> No.3859841

There was no PAL 60 in the '80s probably

>> No.3859940

Are there any miniature CRT computer monitors? Like, 10 inches at most? Just a monitor that looks like a bigger computer monitor, but is small.

>> No.3859970

Apple //c monitor? But it's greenscreen

>> No.3860061

There are certainly small industrial monitors for >15khz operation.


>> No.3860073

>always just ran my consoles through composite
>get around to softhacking a wii and emulating through component
>shit's fucking night and day

What do I need to get this quality video out of a real NES/SNES/Genesis?

>> No.3860109

Buy a cable and, if not in RGB land, a transcoder.

>> No.3860119

just emulate it on wii. otherwise you will have to buy scart rgb cables & scart rgb to component converter. plus you cant beat free roms.

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>> No.3860131

I already have flash carts.

I mean, the Wii emulation is surprisingly good on a CRT, but I'd still rather play on real hardware. I'll probably use it for games that aren't compatible with flash carts, though.

>> No.3860153

you need a breakout and audio cables as well. Add a scart switch too if you don't want to swap cables all the time. Looked into this to step up from s-video and it was multiple $100s for 4 consoles worth of interconnects and a switch. About $60-80 tied up as is

>> No.3860608

This is a stretch, but does anyone have the default service menu settings for a 24fv300 Trinitron? I fucked all mine up.

>> No.3860625

Every set is adjusted before it leaves the factory. There are no "default settings" for any given set, just the factory defaults which are the values before this initial adjustment.

This is why you should write down all of the values you're changing before you go meddling around in there.

>> No.3860643

Yeah. I'm looking for the factory defaults. Thanks for every thing you do here kya.

>> No.3860731
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This game is HARD

>> No.3860776

go to manualslib and get the service manual. there will be an initial settings section in the eeprom replacement instructions

>> No.3861138

I had a 9" 31khz VGA monitor when I was younger. It was pretty rad but it eventually ate it.

>> No.3861437
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r8 my new TV /CRT/

>> No.3861559
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Gorgeous anon, nice find. Pic related was my Goodwill find on my lunchbreak to-day. Paid $10 too much for it, but I liked the look a lot, here's hoping it doesn't have any major issues.

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I picked it up for about $3

I was at the end of an estate sale and I bought that TV, along with a '65 RCA New Vista (that needs new caps), a VGA monitor and a box of misc computer stuff all for just $12.

I also ran into a guy who is wanting to sell his Macintosh IIci for $25. Gonna try and see if I can pick it up over the weekend.

>> No.3861712

Awesome. That's a ridiculous deal for a IIci, good luck with that.

>> No.3861738
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ironic that the original post uses an image of Carmack, he tweeted this today

>> No.3861747

>no hue knob
bull. fucking. shit.

I have the same monitor and it's right behind that flipdown front panel.

>> No.3861771
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lol what a pleb

>> No.3861772

More like John Cuckmack. I agree that crt emulator shaders look like shit tho.

>> No.3861786
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anyone know the best way to move a 2-ton Zenith 1000+ miles?

It's an all tubed combo TV + AM/FM HiFi Phonograph

>> No.3861789

tweet him :^)

>> No.3861798
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Bought a storage unit full of old Broadcasting Equipment this weekend with tons of PVMs and BVMs! lots of 8044Q/8045Qs and 14F5Us as well as a few other larger ones and some other B&W monitors. I'll have to gather it all in one place once I get it all moved out and post pics of a wall of PVMs.

>> No.3861815

As cool as that is, don't.

>> No.3861818

auction ? how much ?
were you the only one interested ?

>> No.3861847
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It's happening anyway

My grandpa died, and my parents are moving some furniture & stuff back home, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to move it without it getting damaged moving it out of the house and the trip in the uhaul

I think the best way is to remove the TV assembly and stereo chassis and pack it in a separate box chock full of pillows and soft packing materials. I might even remove all the tubes and pack them separately too.

>> No.3861850
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Worlds shittiest craigslist ad. Thought dude had like 4 as the storage unit was not mentioned at all in the ad and there were only pictures of a few. He won them all in auctions from CBS a while back but got tired of reselling them so he had them sitting in a unit and his garage for years. Took me to the unit and told me he had to have it emptied out by the end of the month, so I offered him 300 bucks for the whole thing. Now I have tons of PVMs and a few sales lined up to completely cover the cost of purchase. Testing & moving all of these has been a huge pain in the ass though.

>> No.3861852

I just snagged a big silver Sony Wega off craigslist and got the Nintendo component cables to hook my wii up to it, but whenever I select 480p in the wii settings my screen gets fucked. It works fine on 480i, but otherwise its a big mess of diagonal lines across the screen and its just all fucked up. Anyone have any idea why this happens?

>> No.3861859

>whenever I select 480p in the wii settings my screen gets fucked. It works fine on 480i
Your TV does not support 480p.

>> No.3861867

that's pretty sweet. congrats

>> No.3861871

Personally I would just wrap the whole damn thing in shitloads of padding and wedge it hard as I can into the back of the uhaul I was using so it doesn't shift around, strap it down if there's hooks in the truck/whatever.
If you think you have a good handle on disassembly go for it, I wouldn't try it myself but you very well could be more adept at that sort of thing than I.

>> No.3861896

Zenith made some great tvs. Good on you for trying to save it anon.

>> No.3861903

You just need to run 480i over component for rad video, your TV isn't progressive scan,

>> No.3861908

gotcha, thanks bros

>> No.3861926

I agree with this doom maker guy.

Retro games look much crisper and nicer emulated on my PC monitor than on rea hardware using my PVM.

>> No.3861935

the replies to his tweet gave me cancer. there's a reason I don't talk about CRTs outside of this general.

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>> No.3862010

clearly a flat screen, they all are.

>> No.3862152

Thanks for making my life easier, John "how to wipe a hard drive" Carmack. The more people deluded into thinking all CRTs are shit, the better chance I have of nabbing the good ones.

>> No.3862209
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>be kid
>playing games over RF video on a literally broken low end CRT where the top 25% of the screen didn't even display
>was perfectly happy
>grow up

How do I unredpill myself on video quality, /crt/?

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>> No.3862217

How are plasma for handling 240p content? Do they line double to 480p correctly? Looking at getting a Panasonic TH-37PA20

>> No.3862258

Just get a nice consumer TV and plug in an NES. Shit's dope.

>> No.3862276

>be kid
>Grow up playing games over RF on an old, small, static-y TV
>Miserable because I could hardly see shit
>Discover emulation and marvel at the backgrounds and details I've never saw before
>Discover modding and enjoy the process. Get the best of both worlds.
>Cringe every time someone ejaculates their nostalgia juices over RF and composite

I don't want to go back.

>> No.3862296


I have the same crt, It has weird white balance issues, so be prepared to mess with the contrast alot

>> No.3862457

Whatever anon told me about SVGA monitor thing, thank you. I picked up what seems like a New Old Stock Dell today and got retroarch set up with the 3840x480 res and tvout+interlace config. Looks really great.

>> No.3862742

Anyone have any experience with these HD Retrovision cables? Thinking about picking one up for the Genesis when they come back in stock. The composite video output is just so bad...

>> No.3862869
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Whats a good price for a 1354q? Or actually, whats a decent cheap PVM I can find on ebay? It dosen't need to be the best ever made I'm just looking for something at a decent price that will get the job done. I'm gonna be using it to play N64 and PS2 mostly.

>> No.3862892

like 80 bucks or so, maybe 100 depending on condition.

>> No.3863062


Carmack got you all BTFO

>> No.3863104

you're a bit late to the party

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Can someone correct him please?

>> No.3863465



You could take it appart and transport it piece by piece, is in my opinioun the best way to go

also does it still work ??

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>also does it still work ??
Yes (to a degree)

The stereo works perfectly. FM and AM are very clear. The turntable's motor works, but it needs a new belt.

The TV does work and I even had a portable DVD player hooked up to it using an rf modulator, but it looks like it has weak caps. The image doesn't fill the whole screen. It currently has sort of a "logarithmic" raster (widely spaced lines at the top, and crowded lines near the bottom). I tried messing with the v. size and v. linearity which did help, but it still didn't fill the screen completely.

I checked the Sam's photofact website and they do have documentation for this model. I'd probably just go through and replace all the electrolytics.

>webm of me changing channels and turning it off. I really like the spotlight projection dial it has.

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>> No.3863663

Those aren't crts.

>> No.3863703

Get ready for skyrocketing inflation on meme monitors.

>> No.3863705

in a van.

>> No.3863713

>another scalping reseller happens upon another reseller's horde of TVs
>decides to sell them at an inflated price on eBay

Of course.

>> No.3863714

didn't all his fans decide they hate him now? maybe no one will notice.

>> No.3863716

hopefully. But a lot of normalfags still worship his cock.

>> No.3863725

So some guy an hour away from me is selling a few PVM-1944Qs for $200. Is that a decent deal or should I try to find something cheaper?

>> No.3863741

All of them for $200 or $200 each? And how many is a few?

>> No.3863754
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$200 a piece and there looks to be about 5 of them. There's an 8 inch pvm in the picture but the price isn't listed

>> No.3863784

wew that's a little rich imho; but others may disagree. Based on the framemeister and weird PVM hoard, this guy either lurks here, reddit, or is a YouTuber

>> No.3863824
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What is this TV? Its some sony tv

>> No.3863832
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another photo

>> No.3863842

u must be new here

>> No.3863861

>with some abortion of a RetroClone hooked up

>> No.3863864

Yeah, it seemed a bit much. It's "cheap" by comparison to the prices on Craigslist and eBay but I could probably do better hitting up local stations or editing places

>> No.3863870

oops, replied to myself

>> No.3863885
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Update on this situation: forced it into 480p with an SD launcher but unfortunately the game I picked can't do 480

But it did change to 240p so I have glorious scanlines to boot! It just WERKS!

>> No.3863889

He's selling off his bunk PVMs and keeping the good stuff. Has the 600- and 800-line HR Trinitrons hidding somewhere. They've got that RGB though. And are almost 30 years old.

>> No.3864070

as if you fucks here aren't responsible already. This will make it worse.

>> No.3864073

It's an Analog NT Mini. Not technically a clone. More expensive than a legit console though

>> No.3864432

Yeah good luck with that. People that know what they are worth are buying them to resell them. Better start the hunt now before it's too late.

Better features too. I prefer physical discs but I get the appeal of emulation. Personally I feel I'm more obligated to beat a game and play it longer if I pay for it and have physical copies. I'm the same way with books as well.

>> No.3864474

The amount of money you need to invest in hardware these days is autistic to the max. With a CRT monitor and an emulator I feel like you get a close enough feel at a reasonable price. I'll never ruin shit for myself by looking at a PVM/BVM.

>> No.3864734

As someone tired of emulating, with a shitty CRT, I'm considering buying a SNES flashcart so I can collect games more slowly/preserve them more easily. I'm not super into a/v stuff but just wondering if it's worth spending the extra money for a PVM/SCART switch etc or if I should just find a decent CRT for S video support?

I do plan on expanding my NES, Pc Engine and Saturn libraries (and actually using my Saturn once that cart is out, fuck that motor) which is why I'm considering RGB, but dunno if it's worth the effort for a non-super enthusiast

>> No.3864763

some systems have cheap rgb solutions. You don't need a PVM. Sony aren't the only ones who made professional quality monitors.

>> No.3864783

Where do I find Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB CRTs lads?

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>lcd fags spend thousands of man hours working on shaders to make their games blurrier
>crt fags spend thousands of dollars on hardware to make their games sharper

>> No.3864865

>Tfw can afford a 24" bvm after 80 work hours thus getting the better value

>> No.3864923
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>mfw you have to shell out another 80 hours wages to get it fixed when the tube inevitably shits the bed.

I'll be over here enjoying my tank of a 20F1E which cost me two hours of burger-flipping. I don't flip burgers, just expressing things in terms you guys might understand.

>> No.3864971
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What do you mean? LCD screens display SD games blurry as fuck by default.

>> No.3864975

Stop playing games the way they were meant to be played

>> No.3864981

$130 but if you're on eBay it will be loads more because of shipping etc.

Speaking of PS2, does anyone know why a game will be off centered? I thought it was limited to PS1 games because I was using component cables. But today I popped in silent hill 2 and I was losing a good inch of the screen from the top. Luckily you can make in game adjustments for this. But I'm curious why it happens and if it's my fault

>> No.3865005

I got an HDCRT I got from my grandfather few years back. I play my consoles on there and it's pretty good. I don't think I'm going to search for CRTs anytime soon. I feel I got a good balance between support for more modern and retro game systems.

>> No.3865015

HD CRTs are shit for retro systems though.

>> No.3865017

I played PS2 on it before and it looked pretty okay to my eyes. inb4 not retro. About to play PS1 game on it now.

>> No.3865023

1% better than LCD since they can support interlaced signals without having to deinterlace them.

>> No.3865024

You should look into GS Mode Selector so you can get a progressive signal from more PS2 games.

>> No.3865040

>GS Mode Selector
Just looked it up. Knew about PS2 being able to support 16:9 in some games but I never knew it made them look this good.

>> No.3865071
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Are there any tips for playing on an old crt monitor (not tv)?

>> No.3865080

The PS2 is able to support 16:9 in a lot of games thanks to the patches that you can convert

>> No.3865107

I mean, it is a clone. It's not a NOAC, but 100% FPGA hardware certainly qualifies as a clone.

>> No.3865136

Read the wiki

Set your CRT in windows to 640x480 @ 120hz

Use this config in retroarch and use the tvout-interlace shader preset

>> No.3865147

you need to be aware however that the PS2 uses a rendeirng technique that works in conjunction with the interlacing called field based rendering. Not all PS2 games can output a progressive signal, and forcing one in these types of games will give you a horrendous render. There are few games that really support 480p on the system.

>> No.3865148

There's even a few that support 1080i, pretty cool for such an underpowered box.

>> No.3865180

it's not proper 1920x1080i. It's a weird 640x1080i. Not very interesting all things considered. The Xbox does have a small number of true 1080i games and the dashboard can be ran in 1080i, but I prefer 720p or even 480p for the majority of the games. All of which except for one in the entire library run at 480p.

>> No.3865208

With that config I get a black screen, while with the shader alone i get fake scanlines

>> No.3865213

Not unless you have a v1.5 or 1.6 console, which has trouble with 480p in some titles.

Unfortunately, Panzer Dragoon Orta is one of those titles. Only runs in 480i.

>> No.3865218

what i meant was edit your config with those options. That said, depending on your crt it may not accept some of the options, i had to set things manually. Try without the shader if you can't get the shit to work

I'll post my exact config in a couple hours since the wiki is a little unclear on things. You're basically turning the 480 into 240p with that strange resolution and the shader.

>> No.3865258

Oh I don't disagree, it's just an interesting piece of trivia. Xbox was certainly better suited for it; and interlaced 1080 is pretty brutal.

>> No.3865476

there is a patch for that.

>> No.3865541
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Anyone else prefer left over right

>> No.3865549

left you can see the phosphors and grill. right looks like an lcd emulator.

>> No.3865553

One is free on the street, the other is hundreds of dollars and hard to find. Smoke em if you got em.

>> No.3866024

They'll both look the same when you're 6 feet away from the screen.

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>> No.3866234

>Not technically a clone
But that's wrong.
They stopped stealing chips from actual Nintendo consoles and are now just using clone parts.

It's literally just an overpriced Famiclone.

>> No.3866245

Any recommendations for a teensy tiny CRT?

>> No.3866260


>> No.3866307

black and white or color?

>> No.3866310


>> No.3866326

Pvm 9045qm or 8045qm?

>> No.3866418

composite through wii, rgb cables are in the mail

>> No.3866456

Anyone got any ideas on how to restore an antiglare coating, or at least make a 1" missing patch less visible? From everything I've read it's not quite possible so this may be a lost cause.

>> No.3866464
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search "portable tv" in craigslist. Most of the portable ones are 5 in, B&W and RF only (like it should be). They are very cute and look cool. Small pvms are cheap but more rare.

>> No.3866475


Leave it to motherfucker mike to increase the demand for pvms tenfold. Enjoy struggling against rebbit kids for the shittiest pvms .

>> No.3866483

He must have people help him hook up the video cables. There is no way that dumb ass even knows how rgb works.

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i prefer right and I'm not even that /vr/

>> No.3866515

So my PVM Trinitron arrived today and I'm trying to play my GameCube on it, for whatever reason this is the only console I'm having an issue with because the screen is completely dark. I can only see an image if I turn the brightness all the way, and it's still only a colorless tint.

>> No.3866517

>Enjoy struggling against rebbit kids for the shittiest pvms
You're a bit late for that sort of snark. /r/crtgaming has been around for well over a year.

Post photos of the screen and where you have the cables connected.

If it's an NTSC Gamecube, and you're trying to use RGB (SCART), that's your problem. NTSC models don't have RGB available on the Multi Out, only Composite and S-Video. Only being able to see something with the brightness/contrast cranked all the way up and it just being a feint outline sounds like what happens you you trying to display RGB but only have a sync signal, and to be specific, composite video as sync.

>> No.3866527

Not even going to bother posting pictures because I'm sure you're right about the NTSC model with the RGB scart, what would I have to buy to make it show up? Excuse my stupidity/lack of knowledge, this is my first serious venture into retro gaming.

>> No.3866550

PAL Gamecube has RGB, but you'll have to look into homebrew/hardmod to run NTSC stuff and/or 60hz junk.

What model is your PVM? Depending on whether it supports Component/YPbPr or not, you could just grab a Wii and grab a set of Component cables for it.

You could go the same route with the Gamecube you already have, but then you have two choices:

Buy the stupidly expensive official Component Cables/D-Terminal Cables(DOL010/DOL009) at $200-300.


Look into the GC Video project. Someone managed to put together an FPGA setup to generate RGB, Component, and HDMI/DVI from the same signals the official cable uses. Downside here is you either have to look into modifying you Gamecube or wait until a simple Plug&Play solution comes around(BadassConsoles is working on this, but it still isn't out yet). Upside is either route is going to be cheaper than the official cables, the ability to get Component/RGB/HDMI out of the later GC consoles(DOL101), and the ability to have to separate signals running simultaneously(Have RGB/Component run to your PVM, and then a second one, possibly HDMI, to a capture card or what have you)

>> No.3866568

all these images are made by pro display owners to how their superiority though, left doesn't look calibrated well at all. composite looks better on my old '89 tv

>> No.3866570

A PVM-20L2MD. What way would you think to be the most cost-effective?

>> No.3866580
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L2MD takes Component no problem.

Most cost-effective route would be ~$40 Wii + ~$10 Component cables. Softmod, and pair with external HDD for lodsegams. Pic-sort of related; Neo Geo VC running from a Wii over Component.

Next would probably be a PAL GC, but possibly more trouble than it's worth.

3rd would be GC Video, and comes with the upsides of the first post.

4th is official cables. Only case I think these are a good idea are if you already have them and got them while they were "cheap" (sub $100) or somehow find some twit to sell you theirs at that sort of price.

>> No.3866581

So a lot of older videos (DVD, OG xbox, etc) are 720x480 4:3. How are LCDs supposed to do this with square pixels?

>> No.3866586

That's actually really nice, I already own a Wii too. Thanks for the help, can you link me to some quality components?

>> No.3866595

I can't personally give any suggestions for quality Wii cables, as both sets I have are generic 3rd party ones, and one pair I haven't even had a chance to test yet.

You are less likely to run into terribly large issues with cheaper Component cables than you would with SCART cables, such as with audio buzzing and the like.

>> No.3866606

Energizer 3-1 component cables are the fucking best.

>> No.3866617

I think right looks best but left most developers intended.

>> No.3866619
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>An entire week just running together cables, boxes, consoles, and a lot of bitter-tasting spray around the room in order to complete the final setup
Well now I'm curious as to how you other assholes do it. Post diagrams of how you hook up all of your shit together.

>> No.3866631
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Too late for those fuckers, I already got a breddy gud one and it's not even Sony
And this N64 isn't even RGB

>> No.3866704
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This is the way I previously had things setup.

Actually just re-did my wiring a week or so ago as well. The consoles into switch side of things has stayed mainly with a couple exceptions.

Main changes are, essentially everything is routed to the Megaview first, and just sent down the line from there. SCART breakout connects to the Megaview, then passes to the Ikegami, and then terminates at the PVM's RGB2 input. Alternatively, with the transcoder swapped in, the RGB output follows the same path, but the Component Passthrough goes to the PVM's RGB1 input, and then out to the SD Trinny.

Only composite currently being run is the NES, which goes to the PVM, then Megaview, next to the Ikegami, and then to the HD Trinny; Only reason it doesn't head to the SD is in adjusting convergence, it's composite picture has become literally fucked and I haven't gotten around to figuring out what's wrong yet.

Wii U just goes to the HD Trinny at the moment over HDMI.

>> No.3866706
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Photo of current setup, only difference with last one is the second Dreamcast actually being properly setup. One on shelf is setup for running through the SCART switch, and the one on the Megaview is just straight VGA to the Megaview's RGB2 input.

>> No.3866715
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And an aerial view of the "new" rat's nest.

>> No.3866768
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NES (Comp), Famicom (Comp), N64 (SVid), Saturn (SVid) all go into my Sony SB-V40S

Genesis, SNES, PS2, and Wii all go into a 4-Way YPbPr switch (With the help of HDRetrovision cables, if they ever return.)

Both of these splitters are fed into my Sony KV-24FS120, filling all ports except for RF.

I have an Amiga 1080 at my desk I typically use for any composite/svid consoles, working on getting a custom SCART adapter for that. I usually will just bring a console over and plug it in just to have at my desk. I also acquired a Commodore 1702 recently and I would love to have a separate set up somewhere else in my house like my room for a console or two, just to get rid of the congestion of my entertainment center.

>> No.3866781
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>PVM meme is unstoppable
>people are willing to spend over 500$ for a miniature 9 inches PVM
>most have been used for ten thousands of hours
>they're hardly better than a Trinitron WEGA

I can understand why you would pick up a PVM years ago when the price was worth it. But at this point, it's merely for hipster cred, right?

>> No.3866892

lol at

>> No.3866916

Pretty much. It has hit the point of diminishing returns now. This is what happens when you have fanatics of a niche that tout what is the absolute greatest experience to everyone they have the chance to speak to.

>> No.3866993
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>> No.3867106
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>> No.3867119

Anyone know what model this is? CL ad claims it's a 40", but i know thats not true. Messaged the seller asking what the model # is, they're takinga while to get back to me.

>> No.3867123

was meant to reply to >>3866619

>> No.3867124
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forgot pic

>> No.3867149
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>> No.3867212

If you use that config without modification, you need to create a 3840x480 at 60Hz display mode using your your video driver's custom resolution editor.

If your driver doesn't have any way to add custom resolutions, then use ToastyX's Custom Resolution Utility to add the resolution as an EDID override for that monitor.


>> No.3867216


Is the NTSC Hardware palette accurate?

>> No.3867217
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>> No.3867245
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looks pretty good tbqhwy my famalam

>> No.3867263
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not the same screen, but if you look at ground and girders, they're much more brown (as they should be) than orangy.

>> No.3867264

So I should create that resolution on the CRT monitor? I can do that through the nvidia control panel, will try later

>> No.3867271

If you find an old camcorder in a resale shop, they often had tiny CRTs in them, since that's all that could hit the resolution, refresh rate and price they needed.



And after reading those articles, I'm dying to go spelunking in my parents basement to find the old camcorder.

>> No.3867494

what do people use 480p pvm for?
they are way more expensive but all I ever see are pictures of them playing snes games.

>> No.3867593
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Ok, I may onto something. With 640 x 350 I was able to force scanlines

>> No.3867594
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>> No.3867595

Going to be upgrading my Dell p1100 to a 514 this monday but there's an issue bothering me.
I play older games in 800x600, cs in 1024x768
everytime I mess with the screen options it messes up the other resolution, therefore I never get a perfect image without manually changing it every time, is there an easy fix?

>> No.3867657

Just do [email protected] faget

>> No.3867670

It doesn't work, it gets all squished.

But if I do that, and then revert to another resolution (like 640x350 or 640x480) I get scanlines

>> No.3867698
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how does one go about getting a PVM?

>> No.3867705

Get a time machine and go back 2 years, where you could find them for 5 bucks each.

Resellers have killed the market.

>> No.3867784

you don't.
you get XC, XM, TM-H, DT-V, BT-H...

>> No.3867842
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Anyone here have some Neo Geo RGB pictures? I need them for reasons.

>> No.3867847

There's a pastebin guide for finding high end video monitors in the OP. Basically make a list of places that might have them in your area, and start making phone calls. Monitors you find this way will be way cheaper than if you were to try getting one off of ebay (plus you don't have to worry about it being damaged in shipping).

>> No.3867863

>It doesn't work, it gets all squished.

That's because you have to set up the emulator's aspect ratio to stretch to the full length when you do a superwide resolution.

>> No.3867909

Stop being a fucking sperg like this guy >>3854614 and just play the games.

>> No.3867925

Step 1. Don't.
Step 2. Buy a WEGA.
1/10th the price, 9/10ths the quality.

>> No.3867936

/v/ is going to buy up all the meme monitors off ebay

>> No.3867939
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i dunno i think it pretty neat finding an unorthodox monitor that provides the best picture quality for old gaming systems while providing an aesthetically pleasing gaming setup. id like to get my hands on a pvm.

>> No.3867957
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WEGAs are flat screen meme trash for poor people

>> No.3867958

>mmm that fucking BOX shape is soooooo aesthetically pleasing to my eyes.
>mmmm those thiccc as fuck scanlines that are distracting as fuck and burn my eyes.
Oh yeah this overprice meme monitor is making me cum!!!

>> No.3867961

>disliking space efficiency

>> No.3867973

enjoy playing on your 9 inch screen bruh.

>> No.3867976
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Anything I could offer would be emulated, or ports.

What games are you looking for?

>> No.3867978

>2 multiformats
>0 480p capable consoles

Fucking damn shame

>> No.3867990

how do thinner scanlines burn, if they don't emit light...

>> No.3868146

You can look online if you're willing to spend hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars.

>> No.3868152
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How do you avoid checkerboard patterns with S-Video?

>> No.3868153

Find the cure for autism

>> No.3868156

Checkerboarding aside, the right is actually sharper.

>> No.3868182

which 480p systems would you use with it? ps2 and GameCube?

seems like going for 480p pvm is a waste

>> No.3868191

arcade, xbox, ps2, dreamcast, gamecube, western pc games, japanese pc games, browsing /vr/ the authentic way on your crt.

I mean you could just get a pc crt for 480p stuff and a normal tv for retro 240p games. pvms are a waste.

>> No.3868196

A properly shielded cable should do the trick.
You mostly get that pattern with those cheap china cables.

>> No.3868257

What state are you in?

>> No.3868261
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Is it normal for the screen to be a little off center with PVMs? I mean, it isn't actually cutting off the game but I just want confirmation that it's normal, or at least a way to fix it.

>> No.3868278

To put it in simple terms it's basically a bezel(if you wanna think of it like that for easy understanding). You can't fix or change that at all. It's totally normal for the majority of CRTs.

>> No.3868295

Different consoles, and even different games on the same console start their active area at different points of the screen. Depending, you can end up with games that get cut off on the left, or the right. On top of this, with the older ones where they have one set of settings(or in this case, potentiometers) to dictate h-center or otherwise, the very minor delay from chroma decoding can cause the same sort of centering issue with RGB vs Composite/S-Video.

If it bothers you too much, you can go into the service menu on that monitor, and adjust h-center(H Phase I believe?) to move it more towards the center. Only issue with this is then you'll have to worry about what it might do to another console you use; Might have to mess around a bit to find the happy medium that keeps them both as close to centered as possible.

>> No.3868357
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20-inch BVMs have nicely accessible test points for probing, even without an extender board.

One of the test points on this board (H.OUT) is 650V, so know what you are doing first.

>> No.3868359

are the Trinitron v300 good if I just want to play saturn and PS2? do they go for cheap?

not having a car sucks for getting a crt

>> No.3868362

I got one by mail and paid out the wazoo

still cheaper than owning a car

>> No.3868373

guess I will get one then
I see might as well do the same unless i can get a friend to drive me to one

>> No.3868421

yeah, it sounds like it. The consoles that would benefit from it don't really need the scan lines like the older stuff. and for the price you could get an actual arcade cabinet

>> No.3868427

You wouldn't actually get "scanlines" in 480p (sans something like the 24 and 32'' BVMs), it's more that it's just an all in one solution; Just being able to pipe everything together into a single display.

>> No.3868434

I got mine for 600 dollars, I'm a huge visualphile so it was worth it. Never used, manufactured in 2005, basically sat in a warehouse for a decade. You could probably find a used one for much cheaper.

>> No.3868448

thanks for increasing the price bubble.

>> No.3868469

>thanks for buying something you wanted

Wow dude you're welcome bro

>> No.3868470

I read that some Japanese company is going to start producing brand new CRT displays specifically for retro gaming?

>> No.3868492

I read that all CRT factories on the Earth have been closed for months now?

>> No.3868495


>> No.3868497

>$13,000 dollars

Seems reasonable

>> No.3868519

considering ikegami made quite plainly the best CRTs the world ever saw, yeah, it's pretty reasonable.

>> No.3868524

Wow, when you put it like that, even $100,000 sounds reasonable!

>> No.3868529
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if you can't afford it, don't buy it directly from them, buy it second hand from a film studio. Got my HTM-2050R for about 200.

>> No.3868530

It would be.

>> No.3868680


GCN, PS2, Xbox, DC. It would mainly be for anything single player that I want to play and look very nice.

Also you can just run component cables into a PC CRT. Right now I play everything on my 36'. My 20inch bvm is just chillin until I get GCvideo. Still looking for a multi format though. Maybe one day

>> No.3868726

>not buying the materials and making your own PVM in your garage

>> No.3868925

Is there a noticeable shift in quality going from s-v on a 32" crt to scart-to-component on the same tv? Is the converter box worth it?

>> No.3869000

Do HDMI to YPbPr converters exist, and if so are there any which aren't shit?

>> No.3869010

If you're going from digital to analog it's never easy

>> No.3869013

There are quite a few.

>> No.3869016

The quality is a crap shoot, though

>> No.3869045

You ever think about how someday, people will be tracking down and keeping 720p/1080p screens because their 'classic 7th and 8th gen games' will look like shit on their 4K TVs?

>> No.3869048

It shouldn't have a problem upscaling

>> No.3869081

I only bring it up because I've noticed that playing 720p/1080p console games on my 1440p monitor doesn't look very good, but perhaps being a monitor is doesn't care as much as a TV would, or alternatively the game looks like ass anyway.

>> No.3869083

Monitors don't have scalers, probably part of it

720p-1440p should be fine, 1080p->1440p doesn't scale exactly

>> No.3869086

right, so that's part of it admittedly. I'm thinking particularly about the numerous games that came out for HDMI-enabled systems but were locked to 720p for performance reasons. I imagine those will look really off on 4K screens.

>> No.3869172

those 720p consoles might still have issues if your console is sending a 1080p signal based on your consoles system settings.

>> No.3869234

Hi /CRT/. So when I was a kid my aunt from America sent me an NTSC SNES and I never got it to work because I was like 7 and had no idea about the difference between PAL and NTSC systems.

Recently I bought a converter and hooked it up to an old Sony Trinitron I have. It worked, but there were some pretty big problems. The screen would sometimes be aligned correctly, but other times it would would be completely off. Also the refresh was all messed up, like the screen was noticeably flashing, pretty much unwatchable. I got an RBG scart and it mostly fixed the flashing, but it's still not perfect.

Should I just give up trying to get an American SNES to work with my PAL CRT? I can't seem to identify where the problems are occurring. I know the monitor is good, so it's either the console, the cable or maybe the power converter. Anyone else have a similar experience? Sorry for the long post

>> No.3869245

which pal region, europe or australia ?
what input does you trini have ?
if you use scart, now that you need a cable for the appropriate console region, you can't use a pal cable on an ntsc console.

>> No.3869304

>Composite, RBG SCART

Yeah the SCART cable I bought was for NTSC consoles

>> No.3869391

are the pvm a meme or are the owrth it if I find one for less than 100?

>> No.3869431

Doesn't 720p scale to 4k perfectly? Whereas 1080p doesn't?

>> No.3869435

I think there's a plant in India making CRTs from recycled CRT glass.

>> No.3869463

sure they are worth it for a reasonable price. Just dont buy the 14 inch ones off ebay.

>> No.3869470

just stay away from ebay in general or are the 8 ir 9 inches ok?

>> No.3869502

if you plan on having it on a desk in front of your face, 9" is solid. Try not to buy on eBay in general, it's really risky and extremely overpriced. Wait for one to come your way, once I started looking I found one. That said, nice vintage consumer Trinitrons are also really rad, imho.

>> No.3869578

If you get a $400 HD Fury you'll be set. They're expensive, but they're the best on the market. They use an actual RAMDAC, which is the same sort of DAC that would be in a graphics processor, so latency is pretty much nil.

>> No.3869653
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Could very well be true. On one hand scaling will be more advanced by then. On the other, 1080p and under might be as unsupported as 240p is now.
Scaling on modern tv's and monitors makes the image softer than native resolution 90% of the time.
funny, scaler went out in my syncmaster. pic related
4k is 2x 1080p
4k is really only 2k
we got 4g'd

>> No.3869663


>4k is 2x 1080p

Dimensionally, yes, but it has 4x the pixels of 1080p.

>> No.3869816

So if it blocks 4 pixels into one, it scales 1080 perfectly

>> No.3869853

Dude I've been looking for an easy access power strip with individual switches like that, which one is that?

>> No.3869878

no you dont want a 9 inch anything. now a 5 inch one would be cute tho.

>> No.3869880
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Forgive me if this has been answered before. I am not super serious about my gaming setup and use the standard AV cables the systems come with. How much would a CRT benefit me if I don't plan on modding my consoles? Keep in mind I mainly play NES, N64, and PS2.

>> No.3869892
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Ibiza Light LC806S, has shuko plugs behind
The main limit is 1.5A per channel (350W at 240v), ok for 99% of stuff but the biggest crts, the XC37C is right at the limit...

There's a 10 channel version that has 6A per channel

I don't know if non-euro versions exist.

>> No.3869906
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Has anyone here owned an Insignia CRT? How are they? Currently using a small Trinitron with only RF / Composite.

Pic is the only TV I've seen in my area with S-Video in over a year, but I don't know if the geometry might get messed up with the screen being so flat.

>> No.3869919

Depends what you're normally gaming on, but assuming it's an LCD, it probably doesn't handle 240p very well and your NES/N64 probably look like shit. If it doesn't bother you, don't worry about it.

>> No.3869924

It's a cheap wal-mart/best buy house brand, if i recall. The geometry isn't that bad on flatscreens, people usually blow that out of the water.

>> No.3870408

insignia is decent I rocked one in my teen years when I played Gamecube and PS2 games but there are better brands out there.

>> No.3870415

I bought some cheap chinese component cables and I was wondering if quality of the cables actually matter? or is it like HDMI where they are all the same no matter what?

>> No.3870531

Get a good cable
I just realized that's gonna be motherfucking hard when it comes to the aftermarket if you don't want to pay out the ass for OEM ones if they even have those.

>> No.3870535

>I don't plan on modding my consoles?
Where does the misconception come from that you need to mod consoles to get better picture quality from them?

>> No.3870539

Best Buy's house brand

>> No.3870541

Just component? Should be fine, but some cables suffer from bad shielding and have weird artifacts.

>> No.3870543

what's the best way to hook up a Dreamcast to a pvm like the 20l5? can you convert the vga to component?

>> No.3870549

look up vga to bnc breakout cables.

>> No.3870597

I picked up a small one for a few dollars, it emits a much louder pitched whine than any of my trinis.

>> No.3870618

Didn't even know those were a thing. Is the conversion comparable to RGB to YPbPr or is there a noticeable loss in quality using that?

>> No.3870635

no loss in quality it doesnt convert the signal. But since you have a pvm those usually have only 1 sync input so you will want a breakout cable with 4 leads or RGBS. The sync is combined into one composite sync input.

>> No.3870641

You can also use a bnc tee to combine the sync signals. It's technically "wrong" but works perfectly on my BVM.

>> No.3870786

Does NTSC Dreamcast work with EuroSCART?

>> No.3870798

yep all euro scart cables work with ntsc consoles.

>> No.3870805

>RGB input starts at over $2,000

It's sad that dealing with PVM scalpers is more financially viable than buying directly from a manufacturer.
They're gonna get like 5 serious customers max, and they're all going to be Youtubers with autism bux.

>> No.3871032
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did a 480i test on my 1354Q half an hour ago, what does /vr/ think?

i don't really play on using it for anything other than 240p content but found ps2 to look very nice on it.

>> No.3871301

>Try to find ~14" professional shadow mask without paying ebay prices

>> No.3871334

It's hard to see past the JPEG compression blocking and lack of focus.

>> No.3871604

>i don't want to have to pay $200 for a quality CRT! a company should start making new ones again!

>>RGB input starts at over $2,000

This is why PVMs will NEVER be cheap again.

>> No.3871670

Pvms and all crts in general will never be cheep again thanks to normalfags like mike matei paying $1000 on eBay just so they can own a meme monitor immediately. What they can't and look for a better deal so they buy them from resellers just like other retro games on eBay pretty soon everyone's charging those prices.

>> No.3871692

like all things wrong with gaming, it either came from PC or nintendo. this is probably from nintendo.

>> No.3871736

Oh hey, that's my TV.

>> No.3871737
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>tfw can't find any good stand or wall mount for my cute 14" bvm

>> No.3871743

hmm try the floor.

>> No.3871753

I want to get comfy on my bed

>> No.3871756

lay on the floor like me. its pretty comf.

>> No.3871760

I've got like 5m2, not much room to lie on the floor + cat

>> No.3871761
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here this is what I use for stands.

>> No.3871765
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not bad, but I want something with room for 1 or 2 consoles.
Like under the tv

>> No.3871785

You can stack them aniki. Milk crates even have holes in the back for plugs to fit. Milk gives you strong bones to lift heavy crts for working out.

>> No.3871870

>i'm not the only one stacking milk crates as compartments for my consoles

>> No.3872081

Balance it on the tip of your penis

>> No.3872146

I actually balance weight with my penis to gain width

>> No.3872147

Are genuine Sony PlayStation scart cables worth shelling out for over good third party alternatives?

I've had less than good experiences with generic ones from eBay.

>> No.3872450
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I love my Trinitron and my Toshiba, but I just have a warm spot in my heart for these blurry old pieces of junk. Got this one for free.

>> No.3872493

I think composite look best because of how nostalgic they are

On a 14 inch screen you can hardly tell the difference beside the apparent color depth.

>> No.3872498

Unless it's PSX I suggest just using component; the ps2 isn't the best at component output but it's so much more convenient.

>> No.3872513

are pvm that only go until s-video ok if you can't find any rgb stuff or should I not be a pleb and wait for to find/afford a rgb pvm?

>> No.3872538

a pvm with only s-vid is basically the same as a normal trinitron tv with s-vid. A normal trinitron tv will usually be larger and cheaper as well.

>> No.3872550

never mind the guy showed me another pvm that is an inch smaller but has rgb.

how do I know if the pvm needs sync?

>> No.3872559

look at the inputs?

>> No.3872619
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this is very cool, I like the individual switches mainly because I like switches. But in my situation I need everything on for the most part. What do you need the individual switches for?

>> No.3872648
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I use a rolling rack for my 20". (Not with the rack mount kit, it's unobtanium). Had to remove the feet and use some nonslip silicone sheet instead.

Still filling out the actual rack, need to head to the local surplus store again and find some power strips and drawers.

>multi-tiered lighting

>> No.3872650

Underrated post

>> No.3872658

it's so comfy in person. Too bad i only have my shitty phone camera

>> No.3872796

my camera is complete shit, the pictures really don't do the image quality justice.

i tried taking a good picture i really did.

>> No.3872805

it looks pretty good for 480i. puzzle bobble is comfy.

>> No.3872829

What's that equipment in your setup?

>> No.3872831

I just saved the fucking shit out of this image

>> No.3872914
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I want to get a gscartsw, but I noticed it has a female scart port for output (I only have a BNC-to-female scart breakout cable).

Would something like the link below suffice?:

Or should I get a regular old male-to-male scart cable to make do with what I have?

Thanks in advance.

>> No.3872917

turn your iso down

>> No.3872918

>Or should I get a regular old male-to-male scart cable to make do with what I have?
Just do this.

>> No.3872928

We're on /vr/ and I did specify PlayStation. I have a genuine PS2 component cable already.

Just want to know if a genuine Sony SCART is higher quality than say a Blaze Ultimate SCART cable or whether I should go with Retro Console Accessories or retrogamingcables.co.uk. The chinkshit ones I have tried are exactly that.

>> No.3872931

I would recommend upping your power level before shelling out for a PVM. You're clearly not ready yet.

Read the sticky. In particular retrorgb.com's comprehensive guides.

>> No.3872934

I'm planning to do the same for my BVM but using a sturdy Ikea bedside unit which is rack-adaptable much like a lack rack.

>> No.3873006

How do y'all find these carts/racks. Specifically ones that are made for housing PVM's? Do you just walk around and find them or Craigslist search? If the latter what are some keywords to use. I'm enamored by them. It's like next level autism.

>> No.3873024

Where did you get these settings?

>> No.3873034

Tbqh I'd recommend setting the timing drop down box to GTF (general timing format) then just enter the hori & vert resolutions and refresh rate. The porch values etc will be filled in automagically.

>> No.3873118

>What do you need the individual switches for?
not having all power bricks powered all the time

>> No.3873307

How are 8-inch PVMs for 5th and 6th gen consoles? I found near me for a decent price, but I'm worried that might be too small

>> No.3873309

Don't buy the fucking tiny meme screens. They're alright as a portable checking tool for video output, they're worthless as something you might want to use on a regular basis. 14 is the absolute minimum, 20 is the minimum for sane people.

>> No.3873323

Don't listen to people like >>3873309. You can play on any screen you're comfortable playing on. If you're right in front of an 8 or 9" screen, they're totally acceptable if the price is right. I played games on a 9" screen for a very long time as a child, that's just the TV I had and it was fine. I play games on a 5" or a 14" display now, and I like both equally at different viewing distances, obviously.

>> No.3873373


The guy wants $80 for it but I'm going try and talk I'm down, most I'm looking to pay is around $60, plus it's a only a 20 minute drive from me. Every other pvm in my area is $150+ and at least an hour and a half drive.

Im moving to a smaller space so I'm looking for something kind of easily portable.

I'd like 14inch but they're pretty much non existent around me unless I wanna pay meme prices

>> No.3873381

don't buy a sony then? Sony's pro shit is way overrated. Ikegami is far better, Panasonic is solid and JVC is good too.

>> No.3873391

I meant pvm as just a general acronym for professional video monitor. It's the same case for other brands. Anything ikegami is at usually more expensive then the Sony stuff I've found

>> No.3873394

You know you probably won't even notice the RGB quality on a screen smaller than 20 inches

>> No.3873401

not true.

m8 I order them buy the pallets. Paying $200 for 4 RGB monitors of varying sizes, you just gotta get gud.

>> No.3873407

I know I didn't when I had my Pvm-1353MD. I replaced it with a PVM-20M4E. Unless you're just taking pictures of your CRT it's really pointless to me.

>> No.3873425

I wouldn't say overrated, they're just way overpriced

>> No.3873569

$60 would be totally reasonable. I mean, I paid $20 for a 13" consumer set I really liked the other day and I paid around $40 for my 5".

>> No.3874001

$80 is a lot, $60 is a lot. I got my 5 inch on eBay for $25 by telling the seller that she was asking too high for a 5 inch and normally 8 inch monitors sold for $30.

I guess I'm pretty good at negotiating or haggling? I've been told it before by people I've bought from.

>> No.3874125

And then paid $25+ to ship it?

>> No.3874175

Local pickup

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Gotta mitsu

>> No.3874209

How long ago was this?

All of the 8" PVMs I'm seeing on eBay are at least $50 before shipping

>> No.3874217

Like a month ago. And it was a 5incher. I'd say don't go for eBay. 9/10 times the item will be overpriced and then you have to pay for shipping.

Just sit back and wait for email alerts about anything that even resembles a CRT. eventually you'll get yours.

>> No.3874259


Yeah I could always wait it out, I'm in no rush.

What are good places to set up alerts for? Auctions and Craigslist?

And has anyone had any luck cold calling video editing places?

>> No.3874591

Craigslist. It doesn't hurt to setup alerts for eBay.

If you know video editing places that might have that sort of stuff then definitely give them a call.

I'm in an area where basically any place that does video editing has since upgraded to newer displays. Anyone who has professional monitors around here are super grass roots or just old folks who never let go.

>> No.3874648

Looks perfect

>> No.3874709

I'm trying to fix the geometry on my pc-crt (514) and it's beginning to drive me insane, I can't get close to perfect, is there a guide somewhere I can follow?

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My little CRT has some problems, it used to display fairly well but now
>image seems a bit more blurry
>warping in top and middle
>image is slightly rotated
>black bars on top and bottom sometimes even adjusting v-hold
>speaker makes farting noise
>image twitches and sometimes turns into a rectangle if bumped

Should I try and fix these issues? I don't know what to do anyone who can point me in the right direction?

>> No.3874717

Well, for the image being blurry, you might be able to adjust the focus on the flyback, everything else you might be SOL for. These were super cheap and never had many adjustments.

You can mod it for composite, that will clean up the picture if you're just using RF.

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It actually uses composite, surprisingly.

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Just a 1U monitor speaker and a Laserdisc player for now (the TV is showing a Patlabor OVA LD). The monitor speaker sounds better than you'd expect - it has a digital crossover and DSP correction, also a headphone amplifier. I'm working on getting the 10R remote rack mounted too, I don't have the original racking kit so I'm 3d printing new ones. I also plan to get at least 1 drawer for game controllers and keyboard. A power strip and video switch too, if I find one at the surplus store.

I don't have all the stuff I want in it yet. When I do I'll take a better pic.

Yeah I considered a lack rack but after going to ikea I determined it would promptly turn to dust. The other stuff looks a lot sturdier but approached the cost of an actual rack IIRC.

I searched for nearly a year on Craigslist, local monthly flea market and surplus store. I finally caved in and bought a new one. It's pretty nice but I had to drill out a few misaligned holes

>> No.3874760

Dump some contact cleaner into the pots and see what happens. For my old b&w monitor that was all that was needed for the twitching and shaky v-hold issues.

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Found a small Trinitron on craigslist (its like 10 inches) the quality on 2D games is amazing the only problem it has is that it dosen't handle dak colors very well (I already tried messing with the picture settings) dark colors are way too black and light colors are eye blindingly bright if I turn up the brightness, so I can't play games like like Silent Hill. Not bad for the price though.

>> No.3874768

>Dark colors are way too black
That's kind of the point? Black is black, not washed out grey.

>> No.3874793

>laserdisc anime
Thanks for reminding me that I need to spend all my money on this

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I meant contrast (pic related), here you see Link's tunic completely blending in with the dark background meanwhile the clock at the bottom is way too bright. I have to adjust the brightness and picture setting for each game or else I acnt see shit in dark areas.

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Prepare to get murdered by shipping costs, but you should be used to that by now. Also, my 20kg surface mail package showed up the most destroyed I've ever seen a package get, but all the laserdiscs inside were fine.

>> No.3874823

Usually "brightness" is black level and "contrast" is the multiplier. Do you not have both settings on your TV?

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>> No.3874851

Well, that's annoying. It might have some sort of pot inside to adjust this. Another option is to check if it can be set to US or Japan NTSC standards - setting it to Japan should bump up the black level.

>> No.3874985

Shit, I might open it up then I hope it isn't too complicated seeing as pretty much opening any TV can possibly kill you.

>> No.3874990


what model? try putting bnc terminators on the outputs, some of mine look similar without them

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Anyone know why I can't change my phase on my PVM? it's just highlighted blue in the menu and I can't do anything to select it.

>> No.3875002

Yes, read Sam's CRT troubleshooting and repair guide, and don't do anything you're not comfortable with.

You're using RGB input, so chroma phase doesn't have any meaning. Use H position if you want to shift it left/right.

>> No.3875014

What's H-position? Sorry for my retardation with CRTs, really new to them.

>> No.3875018
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its a KV-13FS100, I'll look into those. Thanks

>> No.3875026

Horizontal position. What exactly are you trying to adjust?

>> No.3875036
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Screen is a little off center, wondering if I could fix it.

>> No.3875047

Terminators would only apply to PVMs and other professional sets. I'm not even entirely sure whether the FS100 would have any outputs, and even if it does, they should affect things like an unterminated BVM would.

While it's possible the set has just seen a hard life and is just having issues with contrast, I think you may be able to fix or at least remedy your issue a bit with some service menu tweaks, primarily to Gain and Bias settings.

That may be more than you're willing to do though; If you decide to go that route, getting a copy of the service manual would be handy, but it's not something you want to just dive into and go changing everything.

That's absolutely fixable; That would be a setting in the service menu; Depending on the model you have, it might have different names.

Just a note; Fixing it for one console can lead to it being thrown off for another, so I'd suggest testing multiple systems when doing the adjustment so you can find a happy medium.

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Is 60 bucks okay for a JVC TM-A13SU?

>> No.3875085

I just got a Sony KV32-FS100 from friends of family who have been saving it for me. It looks great and has component and S-Video, but I'm kind of disappointed. I already had a Sansui 27" SDTV that was perfectly fine, and I was hoping that the sony would be HD (at least 720p) so I could run my 6th/7th gen games on it. PS3 looks okay on it from my tests, but it's not quite what I was expecting.

Still pretty happy with it, just not sure what I'm gonna do for my TV setup. I was gonna have the two CRTs next to each other, and use a 1080p LCD when I needed to play HDMI games. Now I'm not so sure. One thing's for sure, the sony isn't going anywhere once it gets set someplace. I can barely slide the thing across the ground, forget lifting it.

Advice welcome, sorry for blogpost

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I use s-video to play N64 games on my PVM-1350, and was wondering if using the y/c "out" port would cause any damage to the PVM or console. The colors in the "in" input are wrong, for example the alarm switches in golden eye are yellow instead of red.

>> No.3875110


>> No.3875112

It won't cause any damage at all. When I first got my JVC monitor there was an s-video plug broken off in the y/c input, and I plugged my N64 into the y/c out and it was fine.

>> No.3875119

You could have one permavertical if you like shmups. But yeah neither of those is >15khz which is annoying.

>> No.3875150

I've been told it could send small amounts of voltage back to the console, causing little things like lighting up the console led light when it's off. Hopefully that is unrelated to using the y/c out, and was just a faulty switcher.

>> No.3875230

need some advice on hooking stuff up. I've got one set of bnc rgb/ypbpr inputs on my pvm. i want to connect multiple sources to these, some through component video, but my scart switch is bnc. What kind of switch could handle this?

>> No.3875376

How exactly do I go about connecting a PC to a CRT TV? I want to use it to emulate PS1 games at native resolution. I just need a VGA to Component cable right? or do I need a specific video card for it?

>> No.3875389

Might be extremely off topic but...

Anyone know what media I'd be looking for if I wanted to see old sporting events in nice quality. Particularly boxing, doesn't have to be ancient 80's boxing is fine. I know CED's have a best of Muhammad Ali.

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>my scart switch is bnc

>> No.3875451


You are correct anon.

It's a Pioneer PDP-428XD with RGB SCART hooked up directly. No external scaling fuckery is required. With game mode enabled it gets 1.5 to 2 frames lag and motion is smoooooth with no horizontal blurring or stuttering whatsoever. Obviously being an 8th gen Kuro panel colours and black levels are as good as you're going to find on any display, CRT included.

This beauty cost me £80 in basically mint condition with low hours and doubles as a pretty effective room heater in the winter months.

>> No.3875472

Try connecting your N64 to the "in" port like normal, and then connect an s-video cable from the "out" port to the in port of something like a dvd recorder or another monitor/television. That might correct your color issue.

>> No.3875481

You can go the old graphics card route + crt_emudriver + groovymame + ect

you can get an extron emotion and run that between your pc and tv.

for emulating on a consumer crt tv you'll have an easier time using a soft-modded Wii, but I dunno how well it does PS1

>> No.3875489

I'm with yah man. I think PVMs are nice but old school CRTS that use RF and Composite are my favorite.

>> No.3875501

>dunno how well it does PS1
Not very well at all.

>> No.3875551

How do you fix poor geometry on a pc-crt?

It's getting extremely frustrating.

>> No.3875568

Every PC CRT I've owned has had geometry settings in the menu.

>> No.3875569

I think that "Picture" is your contrast setting and "Color" your saturation.

>> No.3875612

He's kind of got a point, most CRT shaders for emulators are far blurrier than original hardware being played with RGB+PVM

>> No.3875617

Turns out that the N64 actually had terrible dithering hidden behind it's blurry anti-aliased image, it's even more noticeable with RGB and HDMI modded consoles

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It's hard to believe its from the dithering, I've never seen a dithering pattern look that before.

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While here's the zoomed in dithering pattern from a voodoo 1.

>> No.3875675

Yeah, I can fix the geometry at desktop res but I want to play games in 800x600 at 200hz, upping the refresh rate fucks with the geometry hard.

>> No.3875712

Are you sure its simply not a sign of those refresh rates being unusable?

>> No.3875764

I know of a lot of people playing with this particular monitor at those refresh rates.

>> No.3875820

i just bought a used, but brand new looking, tm-h150cg for 25 euros

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I want to connect my PC (probably VGA out) to a PVM (which has S-video in) for a project that I'm working on, will one of those VGA-to-Svideo converters work? Or will the signal be shite?
(pic related)

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What's the best s-video cable for n64/snes? I bought one for $2 on ebay but the quality turned out to be shit, with weird ghosting that I don't even get on composite.

>> No.3876017
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I have a $20 RCA to VGA adapter and it seems to work fine for my N64 PS2 and OG Xbox, they might make an S-Video Version

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>this guy walks up behind your CRT and slaps it on the ass

what do?

>> No.3876196

check SCART cable

>> No.3876257


>> No.3876349
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The one that's literally called "Best s-video cable for snes"

It's actually properly wired unlike the cheapo third party wires. Friend got one a couple weeks ago and it looks great

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>> No.3876982

Isn't laserdisc the standard for good pre-DVD video?

>> No.3878220

>I was hoping that the sony would be HD
You do not want an HD CRT TV. Just use an LCD

>> No.3878734

I actually stopped at a video place on my way home from work. At least 5 PVMs of varying sizes out in front and apparently they have more in the back. They were closing up so I'm coming back Saturday to go through them and make a deal on them

It's owned by a laid back old couple so I probably won't get ripped off

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