/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3847736]

Is this the best way to play Majoras Mask and Ocarina of Time?

[Anonymous No.3847740]

The best way would be on an N64.

[Anonymous No.3847741]

>>3847736
3ds remakes, also not really retro
fuck off

[Anonymous No.3847747]

>>3847741
But all 4 games are retro.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3847772]

>>3847736
I actually have that collection for GameCube and N64 carts too but if I were going to start a new game it would probably be the VC versions on Wii.

[Anonymous No.3847782]

>>3847736
The GCN ports are really good and run better than the originals. Master Quest is particularly fun.

[Anonymous No.3847786]

>>3847736

don't waste your time on those 2 games if you've never played them before. They both suck.

[Anonymous No.3847808]

>>3847736
>Is this the best way to play Majoras Mask and Ocarina of Time?

They're both executed using an N64 emulator designed for the GC. Although OoT runs fairly well, some of its graphics effects aren't emulated at all, and there's very infrequent stuttering, especially when exiting from an underground area via a warp.

Majora's Mask suffers the most. It chugs along at something like 15 FPS, and has further frame drops when there are a lot of characters on the screen.

Both games are prone to random lock-ups due to poor memory allocation.

OoT was also released on another disc that contained OoT, the "Master Quest" / rearranged version of OoT, and several video demos of various GC titles. I think this version runs a little better.

Unfortunately, you aren't going to find a better N64 emulator for PCs. N64 emulation has an incredibly long way to go, and it looks doubtful that anyone is going to make any significant advancements in the new future. However, you also have the choice of playing OoT through Nintendo's own Virtual Console service. I believe that version emulates fairly well since the Wii has more available power.

[Anonymous No.3847826]

>>3847736
This is the WORST way you could possibly play Majora's mask. It freezes every couple of hours (and since it's MM you can't save all the time so you're super fucked).

[Anonymous No.3847835]

>>3847782
>run better than the originals

"no"

[Anonymous No.3847850]

>>3847736
Use a wad manager on a softmodded Wii, and use the VC version of Majora's Mask. That was how I did it.

A ton of wads can be found from this link:
https://mega.nz/#F!WRcEybiS!XkS89zjkXlgscw9AJjXwrQ!XVsnVLRZ

[Anonymous No.3847856]

Collector's Edition is the best way to play Ocarina of Time. It's the worst way to play Zelda 1, AoL, and Majora's Mask. Actually, it doesn't have Master Quest, so it's not the best way to play OOT either. But it is the same version of vanilla OoT that comes on the MQ disc.

[Anonymous No.3847860]

>>3847736
Assuming you don't have an N64, if you want to play Ocarina/Master Quest, play the GC version (especially if you want to use the Stone of Agony); if you want to play MM, play the Wii VC version. They both run at a higher resolution, which may or may not be desirable depending on who you ask.

[Anonymous No.3847864]

>>3847736
Yes. Also includes Master Quest iirc.

[Anonymous No.3847880]

>>3847808

The GC versions are actually so poorly optimized certain cutscenes have FMVs in their place, presumably as they'd drop to 2fps in-engine or something. Do not play.

Remember you can play the Virtual Console versions through Dolphin though, it's a lot more stable/accurate than Project64 if you're using a PC.

[Anonymous No.3847934]

>>3847856
What's wrong with the NES games? And IMO the worst way to play them is the Classic NES Series for GBA. They basically cut like 25% of the pixels on screen.

[Anonymous No.3847943]

>>3847934
The GBA releases are flickery and the original Zelda has a long lag to pause, but Collector's has a brightness filter over it and the games and something is off about the aspect ratio. Also, the GBA ports have revised text, but that's a moot point.

[Anonymous No.3847980]

>>3847741
This.

I assume no one else itt has played the 3ds versions of these games? I can't think of a single reason to not consider them each game's definitive version. Both play at a decent framerate (unlike their console counterparts), have visuals that are updated in an objectively good way, and utilize the touch screen for several objectively good quality of life enhancements over the originals.

The only gripe I can think of would be no muh sand nigger shit in the fire temple and on the mirror shield in OoT, and only original prints of the game had these things intact anyways

[Anonymous No.3847989]

>>3847741
Non-retro collections of games that exclusively contain retro games are allowed on /vr/.

Also yes, the 3DS remakes are the best way to play OoT and MM.

[Anonymous No.3848014]

>>3847980

>have visuals that are updated in an objectively good way

Well, everything except the final boss now taking place in the fucking daytime. Yes I know, 'handheld games should be bright', whatever, it still looks shitty.

[Anonymous No.3848024]

That is literally the worst way to play Majora's Mask.

[Anonymous No.3848049]

OP, I own this. As was stated earlier, the performance is pretty rough at times. If your goal is Majora, I would look elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.3848054]

>>3847850
No wads, just neo geo!

[Anonymous No.3848098]

>this literal shit-tier collection sells for $40-$80 second-hand

[Anonymous No.3848103]

>>3847980
MM3D is shit. It sacrifices some of what made MM great for the sake of being casual friendly. and the boss changes are just terrible.

[Anonymous No.3848106]

>>3847980
>playing OoT hunched over with a tiny illuminating your face from 3 inches away

[Anonymous No.3848130]

>>3847980
>Both play at a decent framerate (unlike their console counterparts)

who cares pc fat, both are a stable 20 FPS, unlike breath of the wild which consistently fluctuates

[Anonymous No.3848145]

>>3848130
Have you played Breath of the Wild?

I hear this complaint often but when I played it I didn't see any framerate issues, so I feel like it's people who haven't played the game repeating a meme.

Now the 3DS Pokémon games, those are games with blatant framerate issues. You start one of the totem battles or multi-battles, and the rate drops to <10fps.

[Anonymous No.3848149]

>>3848145
I've played it pretty extensively since it leaked, it definitely plummets in certain situations. In a snowy area fighting multiple moblins I literally had my Wii U stall on a single frame because a mob had exploded into too many items for the system to handle.

[Anonymous No.3848156]

>>3847736

I've been replaying Majora's Mask for the past week a couple hours a day on my N64. The scaling on my 1080p TV is attrocious no matter my scaling choice. That being said, it's still fun to play.

I know OOT has HD texture packs on emulators. I've played that before. It works nicely. Being able to quicksave your state can save a lot of time too when trying difficult shit.

[Anonymous No.3848157]

>>3848149
Ah, the WiiU version. I was talking about the Switch.

It's pretty clear that Nintendo wants to forget about the WiiU asap, no wonder they didn't bother making Zelda run smoothly on it.

[Anonymous No.3848162]

>>3848157
The Wii U version runs better than the docked version with the exception of towns and *big explosions of shit*.

It doesn't get as many random drops in the field as docked Switch. Considering BotW looks a lot better than your typical 360 or PS3 game, and the Wii U is in that ballpark of hardware power, I think they did a pretty decent job with the version desu.

[Anonymous No.3848264]

>>3847835
I wasn't aware of the issues with MM; I stand corrected. I had the OoT / Master Quest disc and played those that way, I assumed MM was the same and I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.3848268]

>>3847880
>emulators emulating emulators

[Anonymous No.3848296]

>>3847850
Related to Wii homebrew, any idea how multi-disc gamecube games work with Nintendon't?

Thinking of playing Twin Snakes, but no point if I get up to disc 2 and can't go any further

[Anonymous No.3848297]

>>3848157
I've got about 25 hours logged into the wii u one at this point. Only ever noticed slowdown once in a town for like ten seconds. Besides that performance has been pretty sublime.

A lot fucking better than most open world games, honestly.

[Anonymous No.3848301]

>Play Majora's Mask on GCN
>Game freezes just as I'm about to play the Song of Time after wrapping up all the Great Bay stuff in one cycle.
>And then it does it again halfway through upside down Stone Tower Temple
>and once when i smacked the laundry pool bell just for the hell of it

[Anonymous No.3848312]

>>3848301
The GCN version also froze for me at Great Bay.

I dropped it for years after that.

[Anonymous No.3848367]

>>3847741
The lighting in the 3ds games nearly blinded me. I think the best way is project 64 with Djipi cel shade retexture. I can handle playing oot at 19fps

[Anonymous No.3848368]

>>3848296
I think you just boot disk 2 once you're save is at that point, if I'm not mistaken. Also make sure you have it labelled correctly, Nintendont has really specific/dumb naming conventions.

[Anonymous No.3848617]

>>3848368
sorted?

[Anonymous No.3848623]

>>3848297
You are either being dishonest or simply don't have an eye for it.

I started playing the game before most, thanks to WiiU piracy. In most heavily forested areas or areas with a lot of grass, the performance isn't great.

Kinda already sick of people pretending the game is a gift from god tbqh. It's a 8/10 at best

[Anonymous No.3848958]

>>3847980

I hate handhelds

By default, to me: If it is on a handheld it isn't "definitive". Plus, going off screens they really fucked up the atmosphere of those games and that point right there isn't subjective dude. You cannot say with a straight face that its the same.

[Anonymous No.3848962]

>>3848958
>You cannot say with a straight face that its the same.
You're right, it's not the exact same. But it's not that big of a deal either.

[Anonymous No.3848967]

>>3848962

It isn't a big deal but between that and just not liking handhelds/small screens I'm on the camp that it just can't be definitive.

I'll stick with the originals but I will say that I always hoped for a real remake. Not a stupid handheld remaster.

[Anonymous No.3848976]

>>3848967
So even when 3ds emulation reaches dolphin status you're still going to turn up your nose to it.

[Anonymous No.3848980]

>>3848967
>all good games need to be remade

Good goy.

[Anonymous No.3848985]

>>3847741
>also not really retro

What the fuck are you talking about? Remakes of retro games are allowed on vr so this certainly is. Stop trying to fit in with the autists.

[Anonymous No.3849051]

>>3848106
Don't be a fucking casual and play it on Citra in as big a screen/resolution you can handle. It's one of the few games that don't need a monster rig, I can play it fullspeed at 1080p on an i5 4460. Looks cash

[Anonymous No.3849068]

>>3848106
>hunched over
How the fuck do you play with handhelds?

[Anonymous No.3849092]

>>3848014
Looks fine to me. Then again, I'm not autistic.

[Anonymous No.3849151]

>>3848296
Just label disc 1 disc1.iso, and disc w as disc2.iso nintendont should handle the rest.

[Anonymous No.3849253]

>>3848976

I don't really like emulating either but maybe I'd give it a shot if it got that good. Don't put words in my mouth. Advice for next time: make a suggestion. don't be a passive aggressive bitch that assumes shit.

[Anonymous No.3849304]

>>3847786
Go play your call of duty faggot

[Anonymous No.3849316]

>>3849253
I was going to put a question mark at the end, but I really don't care about what pleases you and didn't want to encourage you to respond.

[Anonymous No.3849357]

>>3848623
I honestly might not have an eye for it, frame drops never usually bug me in games unless they're REALLY egregious so that might be it. But I can honestly say I've only noticed it once. I still stand by the performance being leagues better than something like fallout or elder scrolls. Not that that's saying much since those games are absurdly buggy, but still.

I don't know if playing on the Wii u controller screen instead of the tv is similar to docked vs undocked switch performance, that might also have something to do with it.

And yeah the game isn't perfect but it's solidly enjoyable. The nonlinearity is a big deal for some people so I can see why it's got them so hyped up. Also skyward sword sucked and the DS games didn't appeal to a lot of people, so for many this is the first new decent Zelda in a long time. Give it time, in a while people will be talking shit just like they do for every game in the series.

[Anonymous No.3849361]

>>3847736
Yes, by far. Especially if you have the 480p cables, as I do.

[Anonymous No.3849372]

There's definitely an argument to just play the originals. Just because it's an official emulator doesn't magically mean it runs as originally intended, it's not only what you notice, lots of things you might not be able to put your finger on but just don't play quite right, including sometimes timing events.