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Anonymous Mon Mar 6 08:07:40 2017 No.3842052 [Reply] [Original]

>In 1985, artist Akira Yasuda (Akiman) showed up to a Capcom job interview dressed in pajamas and a tie. He left his portfolio at home, saying fans stole his work because it was too good. Asked why he chose pajamas, he replied he wanted to look presentable and that was the only thing he owned with a collar.
>Capcom developer Yoshiki Okamoto sat on the other side of the room, amused by Yasuda's antics. Okamoto, himself known for pranks and outlandish behavior, liked Yasuda's work.
>Yasuda got the job.
This is the coolest part about retro games, IMO. Games still had low budgets, and the creators could still have fun. Like hire a guy like Akiman or Kitamura. Or base a hero on their boss (see: Kunio-Kun, Takahashi Meijin). Or take a literal diagnosed sperg like Tajiri because he had ideas and was full of enthusiasm. Not to mention devs' personal sensibilities (see music/design in Doom, Chun-Li's thighs), countless easter eggs, etc.
Nowadays game companies are 1000 people sweatshops, with marketing division having all the creative control. The average budget per game ballooned from $50–300K in 4th gen to $60 million today. I think they wouldn't let Yasuda near the building.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 12:03:28 2017 No.3842350 http://www.polygon.com/a/street-fighter-2-oral-history Great article.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 12:08:16 2017 No.3842358 >>3842350 don't read polygon, don't even visit the URL. http://archive.is/WegtM

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 12:21:59 2017 No.3842383

Parasol Stars
>The game was also planned for the Commodore 64, but it was cancelled as well. Ocean initially explained that the developer's computer was stolen in a burglary, but it was later revealed that the game was scrapped after the freelance developer's wife destroyed said computer in a drunken rage, along with the backups of the work.

Alberto Jose Gonzalez
>After finishing the game he noticed that the company was just a couple streets a way. He went there, showed them some sprites he drew, was hired and turned into the best chiptune artist ever.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 16:59:40 2017 No.3842950

>>3842052
>[Years later] we were working on Red Dead Revolver and we were in the same apartment. And he basically always slept in the closet when there was a huge bed in his room. I just saw his legs coming out of the closet. And I asked him, why is that? And he felt much more peace of mind when he slept in the closet. ...

>In some of the rooms [in Capcom's game Resident Evil], you would see a really dirty, beaten up toilet or bathroom or something. ... That's the kind of place he lived in. And he continued that way for a month or two months. And then he started cleaning his room like a maniac. He's a crazy guy. He just cleaned it like 100%, just so perfectly clean. And then he started making trash again. So that's kind of his lifestyle. And he also does the same with his diet. He keeps eating and eating — he's like a pig, right? Then one day he starts all the exercises and the diets like crazy and gets back to normal shape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:01:21 2017 No.3842956 >>3842052 you hit it on the head man. there is a special ethereal something about the late 80s early 90s games. small team + japanese culture a big part of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:58:41 2017 No.3843031 >>3842358 wow thanks for the link that takes 30 minutes to load. how about we just use an adblocker and/or tracking blocker and go wherever we want?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:08:13 2017 No.3843131 >>3842956 Why you must never be ashamed to be a 80's- 90's nostalgia creep. The rest of that era excluding better climate and a non-retarded burgerstanada tho...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:06:15 2017 No.3843421 >>3842358 I'm fine with visiting the site if it's for something good. It's almost like rewarding good behavior.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:07:18 2017 No.3843423 >>3842350 see >>3842358

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:21:46 2017 No.3843438 >>3843131 it was very early childhood years. games felt like a blessing ... I distinctly remember being amazed by the graphics/artstyle of chrono trigger. Best explanation i can give atm

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:47:40 2017 No.3843480 if small team + low budget is the key to good games, why hasn't the indie scene produced anything good since cave story?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:14:32 2017 No.3843508 Cave story is was barely a game

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 02:59:13 2017 No.3843872 >>3842052 okamoto, funamitsu, akiman, nishtani... when they left capcom turned to shit. Capcom owes these guys everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:04:00 2017 No.3843879 Even less organised and more interesting was the British game coding scene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:04:35 2017 No.3843880 >>3843480 you didn't like Shovel Knight?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:08:02 2017 No.3843885 >>3843880 I'm not into meme games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:10:33 2017 No.3843887 >>3843885 You're missing out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:10:37 2017 No.3843889 >>3843480 >contrarian

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:12:26 2017 No.3843892 >>3843480 Because production costs were still a barrier to entry, so not every idiot could get their game on the market. There's plenty of good indie stuff, its just buried under so much fucking garbage

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:14:33 2017 No.3843897 >>3843892 Games were really cheap to make on cassette.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:15:35 2017 No.3843901 >>3843897 Still costed more and took more effort than getting a game on steam

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:17:01 2017 No.3843905 >>3843901 You could just put the BASIC code in a fan magazine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:20:27 2017 No.3843908 >>3843905 There's a clear difference between a commercial release and code in a fan magazine Not to mention the OP was clearly talking about japanese games which were all on consoles

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:24:52 2017 No.3843915 >>3843908 Were they? Why are Japs so shit with tech?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:44:48 2017 No.3843937 >>3843480 because nobody really knows what they're doing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:28:32 2017 No.3843960 >>3843897 Point proven. There were far more, far shittier games on cassette based computers than there are in the indie scene today

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:40:33 2017 No.3843972 >>3843880 Shovel Knight isn't very good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:02:34 2017 No.3843984 >>3843480 I know we have to maintain our anonymous nerd cred but there actually has been some really good indie games over the last few years, they just don't come out in the double digits for any year.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:05:00 2017 No.3843987
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>>3843480
Because indie games are still cheaply made with insufficient an unqualified staff.
We started talking about Street Fighter II; the game's budget is estimated by some at $2.5 million, roughly—that's just for paying the staff (!). That's above the average even by 5th gen standards. For 4th gen, the average game budget was around $50–300K; and "average" means average game, from mahjong to movie tie-in.
Now take a look at indie games, and it quickly becomes obvious they get way less than that from Kickstarters. Simply put, at 10–50K$, how many people can you pay and for how long? Can you afford a team of at least 10 people for a year on that amount? I guess the sane answer is, "you can only get 1 person for 3 months or so".
And it's not Apple II times we live in: Richard Garriott could have doodled Ultima enemies by himself, but ever since NES, nearly no good games were made by single inexperienced devs, they had separate people for planning, programming, music, character design, etc. The project sizes have only grown with years.
And indie games have what? 1–2 artists barely qualified in code, and often with NO IDEA of game design—let alone any experience in it. They need to be jacks of all trades: make levels, draw characters, program, and all that—and all in a matter of a few months (unless you want to live for your kickstarter money the whole year). Subsequently, their games look like rushed sprite packs with some semblance of a game attached, put up by a total amateur as training. Which is what they actually are.
Last but not least: most indie games don't make much money at what they sell; they can't ask $50 for their games. Their situation is not like on NES or SNES, it's more like Spectrum or Amiga: games are sold for very cheap (way below $50), while piracy is a big issue.
So it's no wonder you get quality on Amiga level or lower.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:19:18 2017 No.3844001

>>3843480
To put it shortly: not even in NES times games were made by single devs. At what indie games costs/sell for, their creators cut all the corners and make games as quickly and low effort as possible. Only totally committed enthusiasts can devote all their time and effort to it, but they are very few and far between.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:20:06 2017 No.3844003 >>3843987 Fuck off with your Apple shit, faggot. Why do yanks suck Apple's dick so much? >inb4 it was in le schools We had BBC Micros in our schools and no one gives a right toss about them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:21:37 2017 No.3844005 >>3844003 why can't you communicate like a human being

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:25:24 2017 No.3844010 >>3844005 This is how humans speak outside of your plastic country.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:29:42 2017 No.3844017

>>3844003
You havin a violence fit m8?
My point was, Apple II had great games developed by literally 1–2 people: Wizardry, Ultima and Might & Magic, just to name a few. But this was in the era when games were by far less complex. First and foremost, they had very basic graphics—hence Wizardry's monsters could be simply doodled. Also, these 3 games built on already existing tabletop games; the game design was still pretty basic at the time, and also, they didn't focus much on plot/atmosphere. You can see that even in NES era, this wasn't the case anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:32:54 2017 No.3844019 >>3844017 The C64 was more powerful than the Nes yet it had a multitude of games by single coders. The Amiga was more powerful than the Snes and had games by single designers. Maybe Americans just weren't very good at coding.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:36:42 2017 No.3844028 There are still games that happen to come out of small tight-knit teams. They're just the exception nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:37:51 2017 No.3844030 >>3844019 >The C64 was more powerful than the Nes I can smell the rotten teeth from here >The Amiga was more powerful than the Snes and had games by single designers. That's why I mentioned Amiga quality™

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:38:11 2017 No.3844031 >>3844028 Lots of mobile phone games are made by a small team or one person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:39:26 2017 No.3844035 >>3844031 Yes but mobile games are shit. I won't post the examples because it'll turn into a shitshow, but either you know what I mean or you don't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:39:34 2017 No.3844036 >>3844030 >I can smell the rotten teeth from here How can anyone say the Nes is more powerful than the C64? That's ludicrous. >That's why I mentioned Amiga quality™ As opposed to the great shit Nintendo put out, right? lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:41:08 2017 No.3844038 >>3844035 >Yes but mobile games are shit. That doesn't mean they're not games. If you only like AAA games why are you complaining about the lack of indie games?

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:44:30 2017 No.3844041

>>3844038
I'm not complaining about the lack of indie games.
My initial point was that OP is right and that generally small to mid sized teams allow for more individual creativity and more fun games.
How does me not liking mobile games mean I only like AAA games, is English a new language for you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:46:03 2017 No.3844043 >>3844028 Yep, see >>3844001 You can go some way on enthusiasm alone. But that means you still need day job. Book writers can maybe settle for this, but with big commitment project like a game it's too hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:46:41 2017 No.3844046 >>3844041 So why are you bitching about all mobile phone games being bad? That contradicts your supposed aforementioned point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:48:34 2017 No.3844050 >>3844046 It doesn't. It's a different market, good games don't sell on mobile, skinner boxes do. Also the platform being absolute ass for usability doesn't help. Developing mobile games is hell.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:49:14 2017 No.3844053

>>3844043
But people have never stopped making games by themselves for little to no pay. That claim is totally false. Just because a console with obscure development tools that charged publishers a premium just to have the honour of putting a game on their system didn't have an active indie scene in 1986 doesn't mean that more accessible machines didn't.
As long as there has been a way to make games people have made them independently of financing companies.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:51:05 2017 No.3844058

>>3844050
>good games don't sell on mobile
That is totally irrelevant, as you made a statement of quality saying
>Yes but mobile games are shit.
So you're contradicting yourself by saying that good games exist to not sell on the platform.
>Also the platform being absolute ass for usability doesn't help. Developing mobile games is hell.
Irrelevant. Just retract your statement that phone games are shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:52:39 2017 No.3844061 >>3844031 When mobile game copy each other to a T and resort to DLC and IAP for profit, you know they are even worse than AAA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:53:19 2017 No.3844062 >>3844061 That doesn't go against anything I've said.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:56:51 2017 No.3844068
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>>3844038
3 strawmen in one post! Combo!
>That doesn't mean they're not games.
No one implied otherwise.
> If you only like AAA games
There's a difference between AAA Hollywood and small yo mid-size old games.
> why are you complaining about the lack of indie games?
Not lack, quality.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:00:33 2017 No.3844078

>>3844068
>No one implied otherwise.
Yes they did. To say they shouldn't be considered with games because you don't like them is implying they aren't truly games.
>There's a difference between AAA Hollywood and small yo mid-size old games.
Then stop acting like every game has to be made by some big time arcade publisher.
>Not lack, quality.
That's your personal taste.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:01:16 2017 No.3844079

>>3843987
>Because indie games are still cheaply made with insufficient an unqualified staff.
Cave Story was made by one person. Touhou is made by one person.

>So it's no wonder you get quality on Amiga level or lower.
If only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWrGA-g17qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1R7Pd329Bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubwuJGS-Jxg

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:01:42 2017 No.3844080 >>3844053 >But people have never stopped making games by themselves for little to no pay. Yes they didn't. The problem is, what comes out is usually not worthy of mentioning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:02:08 2017 No.3844081 >>3844058 >>3844078 I don't know what you're smoking but I can assure you it's some good shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:03:24 2017 No.3844082 >>3844080 >The problem is, what comes out is usually not worthy of mentioning. In what way? Because you aren't aware of anything outside of the most popular Japanese consoles?

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:06:51 2017 No.3844087
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>>3844079
>Cave Story was made by one person. Touhou is made by one person.
That's why they're called exceptions from the rule.
>>3844078
>Yes they did.
He said "they're shit" and he was right.
>Then stop acting like every game has to be made by some big time arcade publisher.
>That's your personal taste.
That's what every person outside of the Amiga bubble agrees upon, for a very good reason.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:09:42 2017 No.3844091
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>>3844087
>He said "they're shit" and he was right.
And he dismissed them as not in the same class as other games.
>That's what every person outside of the Amiga bubble agrees upon, for a very good reason.
They agree that it's your taste?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:15:44 2017 No.3844094 >>3844082 1 strawman is enough bro. Do you understand what "exception proves the rule" means? Please name me your dozens of console-quality games made for free by enthusiasts. Don't mention Touhou, Cave Story, Yume Nikki, Knytt and AM2R.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:21:26 2017 No.3844097

>>3844091
>And he dismissed them as not in the same class as other games.
And was objectively right, because free-to-play cookie clickers on a platform without buttons are not in the same class as normal console video games since NES times.
>They agree that it's your taste?
Yuropeans always imply every thread is about themselves

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:25:36 2017 No.3844103

>>3844097
>And was objectively right, because free-to-play cookie clickers on a platform without buttons are not in the same class as normal console video games since NES times.
Why? They're still games.
>Yuropeans always imply every thread is about themselves
Yankees think every thread is about Jap shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:28:33 2017 No.3844107 >>3844094 You clearly just only like Japanese console games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:36:00 2017 No.3844116 >>3844107 Why, yes. Also PC games too. Are you surprised about such an uncommon taste for /vr/? I'd care about Western consoles if all of them didn't flop for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:51:59 2017 No.3844131 >>3844116 What about western HCs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 06:58:13 2017 No.3844138 >>3844131 You mean home consoles? They've been forgotten for a reason, you know

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 07:10:46 2017 No.3844146 >>3844138 Home computers, home consoles are still popular.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 07:24:24 2017 No.3844157 >>3844146 They're alright when we're talking about good old RPGs, adventures and such. They also had some OK arcade ports and generally arcade style games. That's about as much as I can say

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 07:28:05 2017 No.3844161 >>3844157 Which computers? The CPC had the best RPGs of any computer, including PCs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 08:20:58 2017 No.3844196 >>3844087 What fucking "Amiga bubble" and what does it have to do with modern indie games?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 08:38:56 2017 No.3844210 >>3843885 >not into meme games >likes cave story

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 08:43:30 2017 No.3844216 >>3844210 I don't like cave story.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 10:39:10 2017 No.3844334

>I've been told I was fired twice in my career. First, back when I was working at Konami [in the '80s], I was supposed to make a driving game but instead I made a shooter: Time Pilot. [That later contributed to them firing me].
>Then the second time was when we were making Street Fighter [2]. I was having an argument with my boss, Mr. Sakai. The argument was really heating up and I threw my pencil at him and hit his forehead. ... I was sure I was right in the argument, but since I threw my pencil at my boss I acknowledged I was wrong. So I went to [Capcom president and founder] Mr. Tsujimoto and asked him to put me in the sales division instead of the development division ... though that didn't end up happening. They actually put Mr. Sakai in the sales division instead.
I'm getting a feeling that Capcom was just hiring freaks in the '80s

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:22:50 2017 No.3844376

>>3842052
>Games still had low budgets

Have you not noticed that "indie games" are massive now? That's basically the same as these early developers where it's just a handful of people making games for the fun of it. The great thing is that these days there's room for everyone. Huge multi-million dollar games with teams of hundreds get made and are successful and tiny creative games made by just a couple people can get made and be creative.

You can go for big budget refinements or indie experimentation and no matter what you choose to spend your time on there's tons of options.

Gaming is so fucking awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:50:50 2017 No.3844420 >>3844376 I really wish I could share your enthusiasm.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:51:27 2017 No.3844423

>>3844376
No it's not, and don't try to play smart when you say something so dumb.
Indie/mobile is shit because they have no skill and shit out games aimed at quickest profit. AAA games are shit because they're Hollywood movies, rehashing literally the same concepts as 20 years ago but with better graphics. What's left good only proves the rule, you get one good game in years like Dark Souls or AM2R and everyone treats it like a miracle.
Video games have been in a rat race for better graphics for their whole story. While it opened new possibilities in the beginning, it has done nothing but inflated game making cost over 20 times just in the last 20 years. And the market is only ready to pay for better graphics, because it's been trained to do so over 8 generations of consoles. So small games can only compete in budget category, meaning they will forever stick with shovelware. No one cares about ideas anymore; old industry visionaries have long been fired, quit or formed their own barely thriving studios.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:55:24 2017 No.3844431

>>3843480
>why hasn't the indie scene produced anything good since cave story?

>Risk of Rain
>Spelunky
>La Mulana
>Shovel Knight
>Salt and Sanctuary
>Hotline Miami
>Resogun

>Bad

Maybe because you don't like good games, the indie scene is getting better and better.
I'm playing more indies than big names nowadays since at least four years, it's like we're back in the 80's when everyone could pick up a C64 and make a game, it's wonderful.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:56:37 2017 No.3844434

>>3844423
>Indie/mobile is shit because they have no skill and shit out games aimed at quickest profit.

I think you have a very limited experience with them. I play many small budget games I really enjoy and was happy I played. Sure there are also endless Candy Crush clones but those are easy for me not to play.

My main problem these days with gaming is that I don't have enough time to play everything that I want to, not that there's not enough to play.

>No one cares about ideas anymore
This is what I fundamentally disagree with most. I look around and see tons of people who are trying out all kinds of new things and I love it.

>>3844420
It's sad to me that so many can't. I think it's amazing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:04:08 2017 No.3844448 >>3844434 >I think it's amazing. Good for you. Take your silly hippie ass out of here. If you don't know what's bad about modern gaming, you don't know what's good about retro gaming. Try to make actual arguments, except on some other board.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:08:44 2017 No.3844453

>>3844431
>It's like we're back in the 80's when everyone could pick up a C64 and make a game
The horror. The last thing I wanted is for that atrocity to come back from the grave. Can't wait for indie game market crash
>I'm playing more indies than big names nowadays since at least four years
Ah, I see, nothing to argue about here anymore. If you had any brains, you'd know that the only worthwhile things now are 3DS and PSV, maybe with some occasional Japanese PS4 titles.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:08:55 2017 No.3844456

>>3844448
Why does it upset you so much that not everyone is as miserable as you? That you actually have to toss insults around and get upset because I happen to still like games.

What's crazy is that so many of the old games that get praised here are basically "indie games" and everyone loves them.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:22:23 2017 No.3844471

>>3844456
You can like what you like, that's not my problem. My problem is that you try to sell me and other people on the idea that all those games are good, based entirely on subjectivity and authority of others, like "I like this" and "I know many people who like this". You show that you absolutely know nothing about games and don't make a single factual claim about game design, graphics, or anything of sorts. Your empty replies just show how really vapid you are to even try and engage in an argument.
You are the one saying "why don't you like what I like"? It's you who just can't take it that people don't like indie. That's what makes you a pansy faggot, imagine that. And you will get called this a lot more because you act like a pansy faggot. Keep your shit taste to yourself, just don't argue about what you know shit about and then pretend your personal shitty opinion must be respected.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:26:31 2017 No.3844481 >>3844431 Alwa's Awakening, Creepy Castle, Odallus, the entire Touhou franchise, everything by Klei...

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:26:42 2017 No.3844482

>>3844453
>The last thing I wanted is for that atrocity to come back from the grave.
So you want games to be exclusively made by corporations? Enjoy your movies I guess, I am much happier with more and more people having access to the medium, and it was all for the better really, no day one 20GB patches, wide availability on almost any platform and focus on gameplay first and story second.
>If you had any brains, you'd know that the only worthwhile things now are 3DS and PSV
In fact I play 90% of my games on my Vita, many of those are indies, actually, all of my western games on it are indies, the 3DS is a MH machine and it's totally irrelevant in anything else when the Vita outclasses it in any genre, for all the rest there's my PC.

I don't really get your hate towards indies, they're literally the new generation of devs in the making, how do you think people like Garriot, Romero and the rest worked back in the days? Hacking away as indies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:27:34 2017 No.3844484 >>3844068 There isn't, AAA doesn't mean anything, and until someone lays down a concrete definition it's a pedophile shill's favorite term

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:32:13 2017 No.3844496

>>3844471
>My problem is that you try to sell me and other people on the idea that all those games are good

Actually maybe that's the problem. I don't try to sell people on those games. I am not interested in trying to convince anyone they should like any sort of game.

Any time I mention this it's actually in response to people like you who go on and on about how all games now suck and the industry is dead. I chime in to say that as someone who has been actively gaming for almost all of my 40+ years I still find a ton of new games I love playing.

And I have, in the past tried making actual conversation about how I think gameplay has come a long way and the incredible variety in games these days. But all I ever get back is insults (usually kid, cuck, pussy, faggot etc) because I have a different opinion. Then I'm told to leave and keep my opinion to myself.

Well sorry, but I'm not going anywhere and your vague insults aren't a real argument. It's just meaningless drivel. I don't know why you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even talk like a normal person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:33:15 2017 No.3844501 >>3844482 >So you want games to be exclusively made by corporations? No because he thinks those are even worse. Basically he thinks they should just stop making games period because they will never live up to what he wants them to be.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:58:08 2017 No.3844539

>>3844482
>So you want games to be exclusively made by corporations?
Aaand we're back to strawman arguments. Did you actually read the thread?
>In fact I play 90% of my games on my Vita, many of those are indies, actually, all of my western games on it are indies, the 3DS is a MH machine and it's totally irrelevant in anything else when the Vita outclasses it in any genre, for all the rest there's my PC.
Wow, I only had to pinch a little, and you just bursted with your shit laughable opinions. What a normie westaboo. Go back to /v/, you only fit in there.
>>3844496
> muh 40 years experience proves muh authority
>you're wrong, because I like new games!
No one asked if you have games or not. You're dumb enough for 40+ year old manchild to not know what's an "anecdote" and "appeal to authority".
> I don't try to sell people on those games.
You try to sell them on the idea that new games are all objectively wonderful and if they don't like them they're miserable in your overly smart head.
>I have a different opinion
No, you think you're a special snowflake. Also, you've made another fallacy. You push your subjective feels like some objective argument and expect respect for it. You get none and blame others, because in your head you're sooo right.
In fact, that's exactly why you needed tomention that you're over 40, just to have some weight to your pathetic non-arguments. It's you who are truly miserable, you're simply in denial and that's why you keep your own reality in your head where you're always right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:02:11 2017 No.3844551 >>3844501 You can put dicks in your own mouth, but you shouldn't put words in others'. Anyway, what you reply to is a strawman argument, made by some buttblasted opinionated fag who thinks everyone should like what he likes.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:09:19 2017 No.3844565

>>3844539

I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but I hope you realise that all of this stuff you're accusing him of is especially true of you. You're the one insisting that no new game is good and that there hasn't been a single good indie game since cave story. It's you forcing your subjective opinions as if they're subjective facts.

And honestly, the whole thing is extremely transparent too. How many of the indie games that people have reccomended as good examples have you actually played? How many newer indie games have you played in general? I'd bet my left nut that the only reason that you think that cave story was the last good one is because it's the last one you actually played and you refuse to play any of the newer ones, probably out of contrarianism. Don't go acting like the dude you're arguing with is in the wrong here for calling you out on this shit. You're coming into this thread and making this massive blanket statement about years and years worth of indie games of various different genres and from different devs and insisting that every single one of them is bad. This kinda absolutism reminds me of when I was a teenager and everything either sucked total balls or was, like, the best thing evar. It's a worthless, childish outlook and you're not actually impressing anyone by acting like some uber-purist who venerates everything retro and despises everything new.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:10:49 2017 No.3844568 >>3842052 Speaking of Akiman, I was aboutto start a show he did designs for. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9m3LOUzZs4

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:21:08 2017 No.3844582

>>3844539
>You try to sell them on the idea that new games are all objectively wonderful and if they don't like them they're miserable in your overly smart head.

All I get from this is you can't read because I don't say anything of the sort. There are plenty of not great games now, the same way there were plenty of not great games in the 80's and 90's. But there are also many great games and those are the ones I care about.

>No, you think you're a special snowflake.
I actually don't think I'm special at all. Tons and tons of people still love games and like many games that are being made now.

I think I am right because I am talking about my personal experience. I have always loved video games, I still love video games and there hasn't been a single year that's gone by when at least a few new games have come out that I love.

The only reason I now mention my age is how often that is called out and I'm so tired of it I now stick it up front.

Again, you don't have to like modern games. That's fine by me. But if you try speaking on my behalf, implying no one likes modern games I am going to disagree.

Speak for yourself and your own opinions not everyone else and we're all good. But don't try to tell me that my personal experience is meaningless and to shut up just because it's different from yours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:22:44 2017 No.3844586 File: 189 KB, 298x450, a003c500fa55466f3ddf173ead128e59.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3842052 love akiman. dude is living the dream

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:34:49 2017 No.3844595

>>3844539
>Aaand we're back to strawman arguments.
No we're not, you don't play indies yet you say they're garbage, the only one pulling strawmen here is you. If you don't play indies then you either play exclusively big names or you don't play at all.
>What a normie westaboo.
I know japanese, my main account is a JP PSN and as I told you before, the only western games on my Vita are Indies, indies are the only western thing I play excluding retro stuff.
And the only one who belongs in /v/ is you, given your /r9k/ lingo and hate for videogames
You don't even have a point and it shows since you bring nothing to the discussion but pathetic efforts in criticizing an argument's form instead of its point.

You're the kind of sad folk who'd dismiss a game on petty reasons such as its engine or who made it, there's plenty of capable people who do great stuff with next to nothing.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:38:17 2017 No.3844601

>>3844565
>I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but I hope you realise that all of this stuff you're accusing him of is especially true of you. You're the one insisting that no new game is good and that there hasn't been a single good indie game since cave story. It's you forcing your subjective opinions as if they're subjective facts.
That's probably different people in this thread you're taking me for. I actually didn't speak much bad here about indie games, more on Amiga and C64.
Really, my point is, there are good games still being made. I even have guilty pleasure indie games I won't name. I was talking more about bad trends in games, and the general drought of BIG good games driven by new ideas.
I actually backed all of my statements with facts. That $100 mln budget mark is when the creators take the back sit, and marketing division comes in the front. It's when they start focus group testing, measuring market and generally playing it extremely safe. The industry is literally the second Hollywood now.
I also know from others' testaments that most indie games are made for profit first now. The key word: "first". Every game is made for money, and only some part of it is for art (let's call it that); but when it's 99% for quick money from Kickstarters, 1% "I like Outrun", it just doesn't feel like old Capcom games I brought up.
> How many of the indie games that people have reccomended as good examples have you actually played? How many newer indie games have you played in general?
Not many, several Outrun clones and other '80s games, Sword and Sworcery, some other stuff. Of everything, perhaps I liked Ridiculous Fishing the most, but even then it was meh to me.
But again, I really only reflected on the majority of indie games, the bad ones. Of course there will be good ones, even great ones. I was just reflecting on the state of things today and the current market conditions, where it's either AAA or indie and both aren't having it too well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:41:48 2017 No.3844608 >>3844568 Good to know Akiman's active.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:44:25 2017 No.3844614 Good HR people hire oddballs all the time, so long as it is not for a public facing role.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:44:49 2017 No.3844615

>>3844601
>I was just reflecting on the state of things today and the current market conditions, where it's either AAA or indie and both aren't having it too well.

Again that's your opinion, and it's fine to have that opinion. But not everyone agrees. I think the gaming market is generally better now than it was in the 80's and 90's. Far more in terms of volume and variety in terms of genres.

Even if there is a worse ratio of good to bad games (which I don't think there is) the amount of different ones and different types makes up for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 13:46:13 2017 No.3844617 File: 631 KB, 800x1122, akiman_sensei00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844608 guy still does art for SF. so yeah he gets paid to draw his waifu/daughter

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:38:22 2017 No.3844695

>>3844615
>But not everyone agrees.
That's why I said "reflected". I just stated my own point of view, simply communicated it to others. I'm not in a need to impose my point of view on others, neither am I defensive of it. It's just my own personal view, my own observation I hoped to share with /vr/ in hope other people might relate.
Then that other guy came by and apparently he understood it that someone didn't like what he liked. So he needed to insert his preachy advice that we just need to keep an open mind and keep positive about things. People like this annoy me a lot, so I just decided to piss him off for fun. And well, I got my share of it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:43:44 2017 No.3844702

>>3844695
> I'm not in a need to impose my point of view on others

Sure, which is why when I disagree you say 'Take your silly hippie ass out of here. If you don't know what's bad about modern gaming, you don't know what's good about retro gaming."
" That's what makes you a pansy faggot, imagine that. And you will get called this a lot more because you act like a pansy faggot."

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:50:27 2017 No.3844709 File: 18 KB, 194x214, 1328818023204.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844617 >those hips&thighs Truly, a man with the right priorities

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:53:49 2017 No.3844717 File: 10 KB, 320x213, fishing1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844695 Your butthurt entertains me.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:55:04 2017 No.3844721

>>3844702
Because that self-righteous attitude is annoying. The guy's obviously in belief he has some authority and therefore he must be respected. I have 0 problem with his personal taste, only with his attitude.
And in case you forgot, we're on 4chan. If you took the whole conversation too seriously, I wonder how you even browse the site.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:56:54 2017 No.3844728 >>3844003 sup australia-kun, missed u bb ;)

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:01:57 2017 No.3844739

>>3844721
How is it even self-righteous? I'm just giving my opinion and that I strongly disagree with his and that makes him lose his shit and start spewing random insults.

All I really pointed out initially was that OP was wrong about modern game budgets because of the massive market of independent games.

Then he had a tantrum when I didn't agree all indie games were as shit as he thought.

And yeah, this is 4chan, you can swear if you want. But if your only real argument is weak insults and child tier shitposting I'm not going to take anything you say seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:10:29 2017 No.3844751 >>3842052 And half of those ridiculous 50+ million budgets are just for marketing suits to line their pockets with

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:15:27 2017 No.3844771 >>3844751 I think you have an extremely limited understanding of what is involved in game development and marketing. Possibly economics in general.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:39:05 2017 No.3844808 File: 55 KB, 477x421, yoko and akiman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844709 indeed. apparently he almost caused the game to get delayed just to get chun-li's legs just right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:48:52 2017 No.3844824 >>3844808 I find strong thighs extremely attractive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvZwYadmgPw

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 17:18:29 2017 No.3844972 >>3842052 There's a series of books about the history of Japanese game development since the 70s and I'm pretty sure you can find it on LibGen (if your post wasn't lifted from one of those books in the first place, since I haven't yet read then).

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 17:40:23 2017 No.3845003

>>3844972
vola<delete_this>file (dot) io/r/ahdx06m0

The spam filter is retarded, Jesus Christ. Delete the brackets and the spaces around "(dot)" and put an actual dot there.

It's not on LibGen, but I had good things happen to me today so I want to pass the good karma. Here are two of Szczepaniak's books on Japanese game dev. Volume 2 is still uploading, so check back in around 30 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 17:41:46 2017 No.3845006 File: 11 KB, 356x27, VolaFile.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3845003 Alternatively, see pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 17:45:38 2017 No.3845017 If an indie developer did that, /v/ would call them pretentious and accuse the company of being too cliquey.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 18:24:26 2017 No.3845093 >>3845003 Thanks, anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 18:37:06 2017 No.3845115 >>3845017 If small devs had money to hire better staff, I'd wholeheartedly welcome that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 19:44:36 2017 No.3845226 >>3845115 If small devs didn't spend all their money smoking pot when they should have been attending classes at the art school their parents were paying for they'd have money and wouldn't need it to hire better staff because they'd have skills.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:37:53 2017 No.3845550 Recommend me a good weapon pack.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:47:04 2017 No.3845570 >>3843480 do not compare "indie games" to doujin games

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:50:56 2017 No.3845579 >>3845570 make me faget

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:57:32 2017 No.3845595 >>3843480 Cave Story isn't even that good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 00:23:49 2017 No.3845694 >>3844471 Why are you so bitter?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 00:30:11 2017 No.3845706 >>3842383 >Alberto Jose Gonzalez >best ever Fuck off, Alberto. Dumb bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 02:09:17 2017 No.3845817 >>3845595 t. phil fish

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 03:42:07 2017 No.3845921 >>3845694 To annoy butthurt crybabies like you

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 03:51:23 2017 No.3845931 >>3842052 $50mil 100 people team AAA games are only necessary for games that try to use photorealistic graphics. You can always make a video game for free on a 1 man team easily.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:03:00 2017 No.3845943 >>3845921 "I'm 14" would have sufficed and would have taken less time for you to type.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:13:05 2017 No.3845949 >>3845931 >You can always make a video game for free on a 1 man team easily. Go ahead, anon. Show me your dozens of free vidya games made in your spare time. >inb4 "well of course I can't code, it's people who code should do this lol"

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:28:10 2017 No.3845960 >>3845949 programming is a bitch to figure out but its not THAT hard if you watch videos and examples. Ive made shitty games I never finished before but I have nothing to show. What masturpieces have u made?

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:45:22 2017 No.3845978

>>3845960
>its not THAT hard if you watch videos and examples.
>Ive made shitty games I never finished before but I have nothing to show.
It's almost like, you know, a definition of hypocricy. No offense intended
>What masturpieces have u made?
Me? None. But I never claimed "making a video game for free on a 1 man team" was easy.
The burden of proof lies on you. At least give examples of people who really make game after game, all for no charge. Not just half-assed attempts, but games of acceptable quality, which one would actually play (no puzzle game clones, etc). Like side-scrollers with actual sprites, or beat 'em ups, etc.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:59:50 2017 No.3845994

>>3845978
but dude a 5 year old can make a undertale/earthbound (retro) game clone. Indiedevs have no talent, they are lazy and want to get free money from donations.

>sprites
>side scrolling belt scrollers
not hard to make those. A retard could do it in a day for free. Thats why you see so many metroidvania indie megaman games shitted out of kickstarter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:03:16 2017 No.3845997 File: 1.15 MB, 1360x840, doujin indie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3843480 >if small team + low budget is the key to good games, why hasn't the indie scene produced anything good since cave story? >indie scene First mistake

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:06:57 2017 No.3846000 >>3845997 doujin means indie in wapanese, there is no difference

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:12:19 2017 No.3846003

>>3845994
>but dude a 5 year old can make a undertale/earthbound (retro) game clone.
Are you being sarcastic, or not? Because if you're not, how come have you not made anything like it? So by your own logic, you're worse than 5 year old?
>sprites
>side scrolling belt scrollers
>not hard to make those. A retard could do it in a day for free.
That's wrong. Making a good sprite pack by yourself takes a lot of time, it depends on quality/quantity but it can range from several days for most basic stuff to months. Making a good game can't take a day, period.
I think you have very confused idea of what it takes to make a game. No offense but you greatly oversimplify this task. If it was piss easy, you'd get way more great games made by enthusiasts.
>Indiedevs have no talent, they are lazy and want to get free money from donations.
> Thats why you see so many metroidvania indie megaman games shitted out of kickstarter.
That's not "for free". I don't like indie devs who work only for profit and I see many problems with most of these games, but thinking that making them takes no work and at least basic artist skills is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:14:44 2017 No.3846009 >>3846003 >Are you being sarcastic, or not? Because if you're not, how come have you not made anything like it? So by your own logic, you're worse than 5 year old? i'm less interested in making a game than 5 year old

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:21:24 2017 No.3846014 File: 30 KB, 599x134, s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3846000

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:23:45 2017 No.3846015 >>3845997 touhou is shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:28:19 2017 No.3846025 File: 8 KB, 581x666, GS Mikami smug.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3846014 So "doujin" means literally "samefag"?…

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:34:49 2017 No.3846030 >>3846025 Still a more accurate translation than "independently published"

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:36:29 2017 No.3846031 >>3846014 >fans or hobbyists who produce their own magazines, manga, software, etc. if only there were an english term for that . . . .

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:38:08 2017 No.3846034 >>3846031 Faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:40:43 2017 No.3846036 File: 49 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3846034 Not an argument.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:45:40 2017 No.3846041
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>>3846000

>doujin means indie in wapanese, there is no difference
indie game developers: beg for money, hype up your product, blog about very facet of development and your personal life, attract a cult of personality, release your game and become a rich internet celebrity.

Doujin game developers: spend years working on a project in silence or with occasional (technical) updates, release it, "This is my game. I hope you enjoy it."

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:47:47 2017 No.3846047 >>3846041 Naw that is bullshit. Might be true for Cave Story but most doujin games are pantsu moe moe kawaii fests that sell on the cuteness of the main characters alone rather than quality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:47:58 2017 No.3846048 >>3846041 so we agree they all make games independently. fantastic.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 05:58:25 2017 No.3846061

>>3846048
Not him, but IMO these words have come to have two different meanings, which reflect the big difference in their approach and the 2 "scenes". Anime is cartoons too, but there's a big difference between who makes them and for what target auditory. And that's why they've come to mean 2 different things. Same with the case of indie/doujin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 06:01:50 2017 No.3846067 >>3846061 Only dweebs complain about anime not being cartoons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 06:02:40 2017 No.3846068 >>3846061 >Anime is cartoons too, but there's a big difference between who makes them and for what target auditory not any more, they're both for autistic permavirgins instead of children now

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 06:14:52 2017 No.3846101 >>3844423 I'm sorry you're so fucking bitter at everything

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 06:14:54 2017 No.3846102

>>3846003
maybe not in 1 day. but you make it sound like producing a quality game is impossible without a team of hipster. There are easy to use tools to make games easier today more than ever before. I agree it is nice to have 1 programmer and 1 artist but more than that is very unnecessary and can produce simple arcade type games. sure its hard and takes hours of dedication but is still possible.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 06:41:40 2017 No.3846143

>>3846102
Still it's not "a 5 year old/retard can do it in one day" kind of task. It's not a total hackjob/grabbing money for literally free. Yes, you can put up a quick and dirty game in relatively short time; but that's kinda my point—you need time to make an actual quality game. With level design, fleshed out ideas, etc. Not just "atmosphere", checklist of buzzword features and a pack of pixelated sprites looking nothing like actual retro consoles.
Sure, there are examples of indie games that got ridiculously popular, and it's easy to assume that all indie devs get money that easily. But it's not true at all. If your game doesn't become a meme, you're just the 10000th indie dev competing with the rest of the shovelware on an oversaturated market, striving for exposure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 09:35:14 2017 No.3846382 >>3846041 Nice oversimplification.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 09:38:34 2017 No.3846393 >>3846041 >spend years working on a project in silence or with occasional (technical) updates, release it, "This is my game. I hope you enjoy it." Tons of japanese big devs do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 12:54:49 2017 No.3846694 >>3846393 But it's not terrible if it's Japs doing it fucknuts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 13:44:46 2017 No.3846773 >>3846041 fucking weeb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 14:36:55 2017 No.3846849 >>3845931 >You can Yes I can. I have a massive skill set and decades of experience. You'd be out of your depth in a puddle. That's why they start you off on an island in rpg maker. lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 14:40:08 2017 No.3846858 >>3846849 You're trying too hard Kiddo.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 14:57:18 2017 No.3846884

>>3846858
>>3846849
But he's right. I'm repeating myself, but a game isn't made in a day. You either:
a) forget about substance and rush the game, barely finishing the presentation and make a shallow, basic quick product—that's your commercial indie way;
b) Forget about profit altogether, and spend months or years for free on making your game at your expense—that's free game way.
Needless to say, the latter is not for everyone. I think most people actually choose hacking, RPGmaker etc. over making a game from the ground up for a very simple reason: making assets on your own takes a hell of a long time. From code to physics to sprites to bugtesting, it's just a load too heavy to lift alone.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 15:18:02 2017 No.3846924
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>>3846884
Obviously, the amount of time and effort one puts into anything will show in the final product and games are no exception. I was really just mocking that guy's try hard troll attempt.

Either A or B could be an approach someone has to making a game though and more likely it's somewhere in between. A seems more about doing as a form of income and B is more doing as a passion project.

Pic related is a good blend between passion for something he wanted to do in specific while at the same time trying to make it profitable. It was unpopular with many, but those who liked what it was and was going for really liked it.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 15:39:02 2017 No.3846971

>>3846924
It's funny but many times in this thread I wanted to mention Fez as an example of how long it can take to develop a seemingly simple game. 5 years is no joke.
I agree with what you say though and that's why I always had big respect for Fez. The creators actually had an idea, and they balanced the commercial/passion project in the game with some degree of success.
But it's one of the very, very few indie games to reach success on its own terms. And with all its rocky story, the reception it got, and no promise of future games, it looks more like an exception that proves the rule.
Such is the long-overdue "indie/mobile gaming renaissance" that never actually happened. Media promised the new golden age, but what came of it was mostly cancerous fandom games and Angry Birds.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 15:50:52 2017 No.3846989
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>>3846971
Well I'm the guy who gets yelled at a lot because I tend to like a lot of indie games. But Fez does stand out from the crowd, and when you play it you can really see why it took 5 years to make.

But also I don't think every indie game needs to be or even necessarily should be like Fez. There are a ton of Roguelikes for example that are pretty bare bones or look unimpressive because they were just made by one guy in his spare time but they're very fun regardless.

Last time I was at one of my friend's house we played some physics based tetris block tower building game that where me, him, his wife and young daughter all played and had a blast with. It wasn't an amazing game on the level of a Fez, but it was cheap and great fun for an afternoon.

By the same token my own wife plays a lot of word scramble and Candy Crush clone games on her phone. Some of the word ones have actually been interesting and although I don't give a shit about the CC clones, she enjoys them. Most actual retro games she doesn't care for much unless they're other puzzlers like Dr Mario.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 15:56:53 2017 No.3847001 >>3846034 lmao@at you're life, anon

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 16:43:42 2017 No.3847083

>>3846989
There's just one thing though: the games you listed are mostly clones in simple genres. I agree it's not necessary for a game to be unique or complex to be enjoyable; heck, I enjoyed a lot of similar clones on mobiles, and I'm glad I did.
But on the other hand, there's a reason why people complain so many titles on SNES are mahjong. These games are good to kill time, but they're the analog of pulp fiction in gaming. They aren't very memorable and get stale over time. And it would be cool if games were like books. But no one needs a company to write a full-fledged novel.
When there's either A or B, to produce something truly new and outstanding requires a miracle, pretty much. And it won't get better as the big game industry obviously demonstrates that it's the new Hollywood and it doesn't need any visionaries anymore. Kojima, Inafune, Iga, Mikami, Suzuki, Naka… The list goes on, and one is left to wonder who will leave next to create a studio making great games that go unnoticed.
So I imagine that occasionally we will see some El Mariachi rise from the gutter, and maybe some Spielberg making fun big-budget movies that everyone likes; but otherwise, it seems to me that the time of talented freaks making what they wanted has passed for video games, and it's pretty sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 16:46:30 2017 No.3847086 >>3846989 It's too bad that Fez is barely a game, and does not even have a game over state. All of that work and the author of that game stripped it of the most crucial parts of what makes a game good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 16:48:26 2017 No.3847092 >>3844036 more colors, more colors per sprite without losing resolution, more than 1 button on the controller. less ram, arguably weaker sound chip (but more channels so it's easier to have music+sfx)

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:12:26 2017 No.3848393

>>3847083
>but otherwise, it seems to me that the time of talented freaks making what they wanted has passed for video games, and it's pretty sad.

This is where I disagree with you the most actually. I think it's the polar opposite now with incredible amounts of innovation. There are tons of talented creative weirdos out there making things they want to make.

Even in niche genres. Every year now even just the 7 day roguelike challenge produces more and more weird and interesting stuff.

>>3847086
Fez is very much a game, it's just not a platormer, action game or Cave Story clone which is what a lot of people thought it was or thought it should have been. Really it's an exploration puzzle and cryptography game. Much closer to something like Myst than Cave Story or a platformer.

And I get why people hated it, it's an odd game. But for me it was a wonderful gem.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:25:17 2017 No.3848412 >>3846047 You should seriously consider psychiatric treatment for your "moe" hysteria. >>3846061 Anime and cartoons have practically nothing to do with each other. >>3846068 This is meme horseshit, completely detached from reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:28:08 2017 No.3848419 Thread should be a pinned one

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 10:05:45 2017 No.3848471

>>3848393
>incredible amounts of innovation
Show me please. Maybe it's so in roguelikes, but admittedly I don't play them.
But I don't really see how it contradicts anything I've said. Yes, roguelikes, puzzles and such aren't graphics-heavy genres, they take less expenses and so more enthusiasts may attempt to make them on their own. Don't know how it is for commercial games though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 10:09:06 2017 No.3848476 1985 was also the year of Japan Air Flight 123 :(

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 10:42:57 2017 No.3848538
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>>3848471
>Show me please.
Even just look on Steam... if you don't see the wealth of creativity and variety we're either living in different worlds or talking completely different languages. And that's just one platform, as I mentioned my wife plays a ton of mobile games and I've even seem some interesting puzzle mechanics in Candy Crush clones.

Maybe you don't like those games, I mostly don't, but what I do like is that they're there for the people who do want them. You said yourself, looking the 16 bit libraries puzzlers and other genres were very limited. Some block dropping games and a ton of majong variants and not a heck of a lot else.

When I would try to find retro games my wife would dig there's not a ton that interests her, but every week or two she's playing something new on the tablet and some of them have even interested me.

Even some simple games that look like they were made in a week or two have been surprisingly fun or interesting. I don't know what else to say really... maybe we just fundamentally disagree.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 13:51:37 2017 No.3848813

>>3848538
And you provide a picture of what? A Breakout clone?
All of this stuff has been there for years on PC and mobiles, before iPhone and even internet—as shareware. All of those puzzlers "with a twist", the said Breakout clones, solitaire, etc. Do people remember any of that shareware today? Not really. Did it produce any important games? Few, if any. You could buy CDs packed to the brim with them.
I wouldn't call this "the wealth of creativity and variety". In fact, this indie feels like new shareware, except with better exposure. What's "creative" about following the very same basic formula? Was all the innovation of 3rd-6th game simply in vain? Are we forever stuck on cellphone-grade entertainment?
>When I would try to find retro games my wife would dig there's not a ton that interests her, but every week or two she's playing something new on the tablet and some of them have even interested me.
That's called casual gaming. Yes, a lot of people play solitaire and minesweeper all their life and they love it. My mother used to do it too. And?
If everything revolved around casual games, we wouldn't need /vr/. There's a reason people say getting Nintendo 64 or other console was the best moment of their life. Not playing another Breakout clone all over again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:02:11 2017 No.3848827 >>3843480 because hipsters/sjws took it over the old shareware "scene" in the 90s was AMAZING and Japanese "doujinsoft" developers have made countless awesome games

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:13:28 2017 No.3848856 >>3848827 >the old shareware "scene" in the 90s was AMAZING Examples pls. Doom/Heretic don't count.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:31:02 2017 No.3848889
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>>3848813
>That's called casual gaming.

Yeah and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. That was a breakout clone, but it was a fun and interesting one, which is why I picked it. I have a feel it doesn't really matter what I picked you would have poo pooed it somehow.

But also clearly we're very different gamers. The N64 is one of the few consoles I never got because it didn't have much that interested me. Even though I had a PS and Saturn (which I still do) I was more into PCs at the time. And there's nothing wrong with that, but I disagree with you dismissing my opinion and tastes just because they're not the same as yours.

At least you made it through without a tirade of swearing but I think it's safe to say we just have polar opposite opinions.

And with that, it's time for some Monster Hunter.

>>	Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Thu Mar 9 14:34:25 2017 No.3848894 >>3845570 >Actually mom it's called ANIME, not cartoons

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:36:07 2017 No.3848897 >>3848856 You had to be there, man. There were hundreds, probably thousands of games. And Doom 100% does count. So does Wolfenstein 3-D.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:54:01 2017 No.3848927

>>3848889
Ah, so you're the same guy from before? That's bad, I wasted all of this time on a pointless argument. I should've realized it though, "my wife doesn't like it so your argument is invalid" sounded indeed very strange.
Let me give you a serious advice though: go to /r/eddit. No, seriously, I'm not kidding or anything. I had the misfortune to spend time in there because I didn't know any better and 4chan didn't load on my ISP for some time. Your opinion is exactly like what I saw while I was there. You'll just fit right in, and I'm not kidding.
In any case, I seriously don't see what you're doing on /vr/, except maybe coming there for PC game discussion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 18:42:42 2017 No.3849298 >>3848897 >There were hundreds, probably thousands of games. but could you like name a couple

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 18:53:02 2017 No.3849315 >>3849298 "Nah you just had to be THERE man" T. every nostalgic "scene" guy who seems to have amnesia about what made his favorite things so good in the first place

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 18:56:07 2017 No.3849318 >>3849298 I have so many examples I can't show you just one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 18:58:39 2017 No.3849321 >>3849315 i mean, i get it. it happens when you get old. but i am curious about the shareware scene

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Anonymous Thu Mar 9 19:04:57 2017 No.3849339

>>3849321
I have long had an idea of a running joke about that certain type of guy though. That one guy who always talks how awesome it was in some Philly club in the '90s or whatever. When you ask him, the answer is always the same: "you just had to be there man, you had to see that".
The question is, why the fuck bring it up then? It's just awkward, like laughing at something but you can't explain what it is. It's like druggies who laugh with each other about their trips, when literally no one aside them has any idea what they're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:41:38 2017 No.3849973 >>3846989 yo bitches love Dr mario. I never got that shit.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:13:29 2017 No.3850021

>>3849298
Shareware/PD games I played or remember others talking about: Jazz Jackrabbit, Inner Space, Abuse, VGA Planets, Nahlakh, Nethack, Liero, Epic Pinball, Soldat, MoleZ, Raptor, Commander Keen, Alien Carnage, Tyrian.

Duke Nukem 3D and Quake were shareware too.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 11:13:07 2017 No.3850679
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>>3848927
>Ah, so you're the same guy from before? That's bad, I wasted all of this time on a pointless argument. I should've realized it

Yeah, you really need to work on your perception, I recognize you immediately. We've had almost this exact conversation probably half a dozen times already. And no I'm still not going anywhere, certainly not to somewhere like ruddit. I've been on 4chan a long ass time and I like it. You're the one who sounds like he needs a hugbox, it doesn't bother me at all that we disagree.

As for /vr/, I post on most boards here but I'm an oldish fart and there are a ton of "retro" games I still love and love to talk about.

> "my wife doesn't like it so your argument is invalid" sounded indeed very strange.

You also need to work on your reading comprehension because nothing I've said amounts to this.

Gold star for not going full on tourettes this time though. Maybe we are getting somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 11:19:21 2017 No.3850690 >>3850679 Ans you really need to work on not being such a condescending faggot. Leave

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 11:24:18 2017 No.3850696
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>>3850690
>Leave

Why does it upset you so much to have to interact with people who disagree with you? It makes no difference to me if you stay or go, but I'm surprised you like 4chan in the first place.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 12:21:11 2017 No.3850756
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>>3843131
>Why you must never be ashamed to be a 80's- 90's nostalgia creep

nostalgia faggotry is "everything was better when you're a kid and olny turned to shit when you grew up"

hell, we already have people who grew up in the 2000s talk about things were better when they were kids and only went to shit when they grew up

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 12:33:08 2017 No.3850772 >>3844808 stop hiring women

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 12:34:11 2017 No.3850774 >>3845997 FEZ is fantastic though..

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:00:22 2017 No.3850814 >>3850756 Well, truth is things like Hollywood movies have actually turned shit in the last decades.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:09:17 2017 No.3850830 >>3850756 Pretty much. Nostalgia is the preferred opiate of losers and failures who wish they could just curl up and be children forever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:34:43 2017 No.3850872 >>3844431 Man we have such different tastes. I've played all of those games for an afternoon before dropping them. I really can't think of a single indie title in the last 5 years that held my interest. Maybe KSP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:38:27 2017 No.3850884 >>3844496 Why do I get the feeling you're an active reddit user..

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:41:10 2017 No.3850892

>>3850756
There's nostalgia, but sometimes you may actually realize that some fundamental shifts occur in entertainment industry and they influence quite a lot. Times do change, contrary to what you might believe.
4th gen average game budgets were at $50-300K, as I've already mentioned. The average cost of development for PS1 was around $1 mln. PS2 was at $5–10 mln, PS3 raised it even further to $20–30, and PS4 is estimated by the industry guys at ~$60 mln per game. And this is only the averages: e.g., GTAV cost ~$140 million just to develop, and around the same amount to market. That's more than your Hollywood blockbusters.
To say that all of this never had any effect and it's just "nostalgia goggles" is just not noticing your own bias.
Here's one interesting quote from PS2 times:
> Sierra founder Ken Williams argues that high production costs hinder risk taking and video game innovation.
>"Here’s the problem as I see it: Production values have risen to a level that games are starting to cost $3 million to $10 million to produce. Double this amount to get the true cost to a company, by the time they promote and manufacture the product. At this level, companies can’t afford to take chances on defining new categories."
And this was 6th gen. Mr. Williams didn't even know where the industry was heading to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:09:22 2017 No.3850932 >>3850884 No clue, I've never posted on there. Maybe you're stupid.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:50:22 2017 No.3851001
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>>3850892
>And this was 6th gen. Mr. Williams didn't even know where the industry was heading to.

Makes sense for him to have been discouraged then. 6th gen was the worst for it, when it was only big budget games that could afford physical production and distribution. Before digital with XLBA, Indie games, Steam and before mobile really blew up.

Now everything thrives, from big budget retail games to tiny one man projects. If you can think of a game idea now, it's much easier to make it and get it out to people who can play itt than ever before. It's such an awesome time to be into gaming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:06:14 2017 No.3851027 File: 22 KB, 400x300, Onizuka_Smug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3846068 >tfw you're handsome and your encyclopedic knowledge of anime is seen as a cute quirk instead of a degenerate lifestyle

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:08:20 2017 No.3851035 >>3851001 Are you that "3DS is MH machine guy again"? You're repeating yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:10:34 2017 No.3851039 >>3851027 that trick only works on vagina niggers you retarded faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:13:56 2017 No.3851047 >>3850932 Probably the walls of text with little content and bitchy attitude. You'd fit well over there. Be succinct.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:29:18 2017 No.3851089 >>3851001 Modern indie games and modern triple A games are mostly derivative garbage. I can't believe there is actual someone that thinks that we're living in some kind of gaming golden age. It's actual just delusional.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 16:07:12 2017 No.3851192
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>>3851035
Repeating one's self is par for the course around here I'm afraid. That whiny guy who hates modern gaming repeats the same things almost daily... Whatever.

Monster Hunter is indeed an incredible series that's currently on the 3DS, but I'd hardly call it an MH machine. That thing has a boatload of amazing games on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 16:11:15 2017 No.3851198 >>3851192 Oh, no, you got me all wrong. I meant that you should fuck off /vr/ to your wife and play retron 5 with her bull.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 16:14:33 2017 No.3851206 >>3851192 So are you that same wordy anon who plays with wife on her iPad or not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 16:20:25 2017 No.3851217 File: 2 KB, 48x97, Joe-moon1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3851206 Isn't that obvious? Or are you really that dense? >>3851047 Okay. Grow the fuck up. :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:43:24 2017 No.3851719 >>3851089 Hot opinion, Kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:13:55 2017 No.3851772 >>3850772 she did all the music though.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:12:07 2017 No.3851858

I don't think we are in anything close to a Golden Age and I also believe that games have gotten collectively worse, but does anyone actually believe there has not been any good games released in the last 5 years from indie or otherwise devs? That just seems like trying to hard to impress strangers on the internet with your refusal to like more recent things.

It would also be nice if everyone arguing here actually went into the details of mechanics as to why older games are better/newer games are worse. 200+ posts and the whole thread literally consists of YEAH HUH/NUH UH. Somebody make an actual fucking argument already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:18:46 2017 No.3851869 >>3851047 >walls of text What's it like to find a handful sentences too much to read?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:40:11 2017 No.3851915 >>3851858 Old vs new game design is more of a /v/ subject. There's no real arguments to be made. One guy is buthurt about how much he hates games and everyone else is making fun of him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 23:00:10 2017 No.3851939 >>3842052 this would be OK nowadays as well but akiman would have to be a mulatto with a septum piercing and purple hair

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 23:23:29 2017 No.3851971

>>3851858
I think it's because, ironically, the more expensive Triple-A games have become, the cheaper they end up on the whole. Games are often put-out half-finished, with flawed mechanics and half-hearted execution. They end up being undefined, lacklustre experiences which attempt to pander to as many people as possible, you end up with vapid, by-the-numbers game selling large quantities and being adored despite their inherent mediocrity. Skyrim is a great example of that; a great which lacks the world of Morrowind or the combat of Oblivion, but is adored because it is so dry and accessible to everyone. Hell, there are people in their 70s and 80s who play the game because it's just so simplified.

The main problem is that very few (if any) games or companies are really innovating in any meaningful way. Part of that comes down to the fact that they just won't be profitable. The problem is that the odd companies we used to adore are effectively denying (Konami, Capcom, SEGA for a while now, and even Nintendo), but very few companies are coming into replace them. The only two I can think of are From Software (who have been around for a while, but only really became big in recent years), as well as PlatinumGames. And PlatinumGames are already going to shit because, surprise surprise, they're being forced to put out quantity over quality just to make ends meet. As a result, though we do get some good games every year, the main problem is that games which SHOULD be good, just aren't. In the past they would have gotten the time and dedication they needed in order to be finished properly, but now they're shoved out the door unfinished because the publishers or the developers just really need to make money. High-cost gaming is it's own trap, and effectively it's own downfall. It's the exact same shit happening with the film industry, too. (1/2)

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 23:31:14 2017 No.3851980

>>3851971
(2/2) As for Indie titles, they rarely if ever innovation, and are usually just an amalgamation of things people are nostalgic for in old games, often leading to a mediocre and underwhelming experience which many people will lap up because they have nostalgia for things they never experienced. The perfect example of this is Shovel Knight; a mediocre platformer which rips pretty much everything in it from some retro game or another. It's heavily based on Duck Tales, with a SMB3-style over-world, Castlevania-style checkpoint-system, etc etc. There's no real sense of innovation there; it's just people crawling back into nostalgia in order to find something meaningful again. The thing is though, those days of gaming are gone, and that's fine. Those games are a product of their era, and should be recognised as such. They're great games, sure, but think of all the great games from beyond 3th gen. Developers continued to innovate and to build newer and (usually) better games. Shovel Knight is the very epitome of playing it safe; it's so inoffensive and derivative as to have next to no actual worth, as it is just a Frankenstein's creation of a product. And there in lies the problem. The industry is fucked, and many people will bank on Indie games as a sort of alternative, not realising that they are in fact the culmination of just how stagnant the industry is.

I'm not saying there aren't good newer games, of course. The problem is that they tend to have next to no influence. And, if they do have influence, they then are usually milked to death by their developer/publisher ad nauseum, or they are copied ad nauseum. Just look at what happened to Assassin's Creed II; a game which was a fantastic sequel to its mediocre original. What happened? The franchise was milked to death and now is effectively a joke. The industry is so innately greedy that it kills all growth before it can begin.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:34:24 2017 No.3852074
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>>>3851971
>>3851971
And you call me long winded!
Capcom still rocks. SFV is a special case, it was released early for the enthusiast crowd. Anyone who's paid attention to the series knows the first release is always a little shitty, so unless you're an SF nut you wait till they refine it.

Monster Hunter is one of the biggest games ever and with good reason. It's complex, high intensity action with tons of content and has just been getting better and better with every release. Also the current one has been out for almost a year and a half and still gets regular DLC releases. That's free DLC, by the way.

Resident Evil just knocked it out of the park as well.

Zelda is taking the world by storm again, and Splatoon's still huge Atlus is makingsome of the best dungeon crawling rpgs ever and SMTIV was incredible. King of Fighters is back to being good, heck even Mortal Kombat is good these days.

And that's just the barest tip of some of the stuff off the top of my head I happen to love, not even getting into indies. With those I think you just have your head in the sand or are on another planet. On top of it almost everyone I talk to about games both loves playing them and are into totally different things. I can't not see it as a golden age.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:41:28 2017 No.3852087 >>3852074 you just have incredibly low standards

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:45:53 2017 No.3852095 >>3852087 Snarky reply from a 40-year-old reddit enthusiast incoming.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:47:29 2017 No.3852097
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>>3851980
>The problem is that they tend to have next to no influence. And, if they do have influence, they then are usually milked to death by their developer/publisher ad nauseum, or they are copied ad nauseum.

You're both contradicting yourself and pretending like that hasn't been the basis of game and genre development the whole time. You might have loved the glut of mediocre 8 and 16 bit platformers but I never did and they're no different from the iterative genre games of today. Except now there are a lot more games in a lot more genres.

But we always end up at the same place, it's glass half empty or half full. Sure not everything's great. But everything was never great. If there's more good than bad then I'm happy and I think there's way, way more good than bad.

You see it differently, but that's your choice. From what I gather there are a great many things we see fundamentally differently.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:49:54 2017 No.3852107 File: 3.60 MB, 320x320, 1464192325032.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3852095 I'm 43 axctually and have still never posted on reedit, but somehow it doesn't surprise me that still hasn't sunk into your thick hillbilly skull.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:54:58 2017 No.3852115 File: 21 KB, 400x463, 1487649942471.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3852107 And I'm 44. You just can't help but inanely respond, can you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:56:40 2017 No.3852119 >>3852115 You literally asked for it Kiddo. :^)

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 01:01:06 2017 No.3852129

>>3851971
>>3851980

This is a pretty thorough answer which I appreciate.

I notice though that you seem to put a lot of emphasis on innovation though. For example your criticism of Shovel Knight's 'mediocrity' seems to derive from how it does not invent any new concepts but merely synthesizes ideas from games in the 3rd gen. Is this necessarily a bad thing? For example when it comes to literature or movies it has been deduced that there are about 7 basic plots in various context or themes. Fact is, you can draw nearly every story ever made after Shakespeare to a basic trope which he has already covered. As games get more established, similar sort of mechanical 'themes' arise and after a certain period of time many of the potential interaction formats will be covered eventually, especially for the 2nd Dimension.

How much does it matter that a game invent a new kind of interaction? If only games that brought new interactions into the medium are worth anything, that would mean the only games worth anything are Pong, Super Mario Bros, Doom, Super Mario 64, a few other innovators and that would be about it.

Some more recent games for example which have been well liked such as the Souls series don't even really invent anything either. They're basically modern dungeon crawlers building on a lot of reliably established concepts but not really inventing anything new. Are all the souls game trash because they didn't reinvent the wheel? I guess my point is that there are a lot of solid tried and true game mechanics which can be mined for more enjoyable games. Should we really abandon all new "retro" games because none of them will make you feel the way they did when your ten? I would rather have a plethora of mechanically solid (read: challenging and engaging, not just minimally functional like modern AAA junk) but non-revolutionary games than to have no more new games because anon on /vr/ will never feel the same as he did as when he first started playing video games.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 01:48:10 2017 No.3852182

>>3850872
>>3844431
Also Rabi-ribi, Aquaria and recently Hollow Knight. Two later games have amzing drawn graphics and style (not pixelshit).

>>3843480
Good Idea/concept + Small team of people who actually know what they are doing = good game

Fags who try to cash in on the nostalgia often do not know a thing about what made the old games good.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 06:35:37 2017 No.3852468

>>3852074
>And you call me long winded!
>two posts

It's an explanation on what is wrong with the modern game's industry, it's not going to be simple.

>Capcom still rocks
They don't. They're practices are scummy, their games mediocres. Resi Evil might have finally gotten a good game again, but it was 10 years since a previous good title in the series anyhow. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, as they say. They put out a really shitty RE game in the exact same year, too.

Anyway, all you've really listed are a bunch of good titles. It's still not very many though.

>KOF is back to being good
It never stopped.

>even Mortal Kombat is good these things
That's an anomaly.

Zelda will be praised to high-heavens for a while, and then people will come down from their high and re-evaluate it, calling it much worse than they thought at first, mark my words. It's what happens with literally every new title in the series.

Splatoon is the epitome of what is wrong with modern gaming; a game with a short lifespan which profits off of a particular moment in time, before being a dead, meaningless game soon after, just like a Fifa game or a CoD game.

Atlus are beyond overrated, but that's a thread for another day, perhaps.

And Monster Hunter epitomises a series being milked to death. It's the exact same game over and over again, without, again, any real innovation.

>Stuff...I happen to love

low-standards and confirmation bias. Not an argument.

>almost everyone I talk to about games both loves playing them

Anecdotal evidence =not an argument.

Effectively what you're saying is "I like this stuff and therefore everything is good", when quite clearly it isn't. It's pretty clear you're of the ones with your head in the sand if you think all these practices means that everything is fine, when it quite clearly isn't. There were barely a handful of good games last year, and it'll be the same this year as well. A few good games won't magically prevent that.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 06:46:42 2017 No.3852479

>>3852129
Shovel Knight comes across as a mediocre compared to, say, Dust: An Elysian Tail for instance. I don't expect games to not take inspiration from one another; Dust was a metroidvania through and through, but it took a different and unique enough spin on it to make it very much its own game. Shovel Knight, as with Guacamelee, is a bit too obsessed with saying "Hey, remember this thing from this game?" for me to really enjoy it. I agree there's only so much developers can do, but as I said before I admire a game which tries and fails than one which doesn't try at all.

>How much does it matter that a game invent a new kind of interaction?
Innovation =/= whole new invention. Innovation just means improving on and refining a game and/or genre. Panzer Dragoon was an innovation on Space Harrier. Was it innovative? Definitely. It didn't re-invent the wheel, but it improved on its predecessor drastically, and then with each subsequent release improved on itself even further.

Did you read the whole of my argument? I stated that From Software (the makers of the Souls series) are one of the best developers nowadays. But as I said, innovation isn't reinvention, it just means improving something to the next level. Dark Souls was so mindblowingly good, it was honestly a bit too good for 7th gen. It encapsulates my exact point. It was shoddy in places, had certain framerate issue and could be dickish and unbalanced in its execution, but it was an extremely solid and well put together game otherwise. But the main point is, it tried. And it didn't back down from trying to be what it was. It wasn't afraid to be this hard-as-hell game, and that coupled with solid mechanics and an incredibly refined combat system made it so much better than everything else. Hell, it was released around the same time as Skyrim, and unlike that game it actually has soul and personality. (1/2)

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 06:51:39 2017 No.3852483

>>3852129
(2/2)

I don't think you're quite getting my point about indie titles. I don't have nostalgia for the majority of retro games which I play, but I can still tell when they're more innovative and mechanically superior to modern titles, or indie or modern titles which shamelessly copy them. And again, I'm saying that this is what is wrong with the industry. Mediocre games aren't necessarily a bad thing, but they are detrimental on whole to the industry at large, because they inevitably cause a slump on the whole. Innovation also doesn't mean revolutionary, it just means improving upon and refining. Just being different or unique in some way, which the majority of titles, indie or not, lack nowadays. I know there's always been a problem with people attempting to capitalise on popular genres (fighting games, platformers, FPSes, etc), but the majority of those titles, even when derivative, at least attempted to differentiate themselves in some way. Now we've ended up with carbon copy, design-by-committee games which attempt to appeal to everyone to maximise profit, and so end up being bland and dull experiences as they have no real focus or heart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 08:40:37 2017 No.3852606 >>3842383 >Gonzalez >best chiptune artist ever AHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAHHAAAAAAA!

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 09:27:29 2017 No.3852639

>>3852468
>their games mediocres.
I completely disagree.

>It never stopped.
XII and XIII were complete garbage.

>That's an anomaly.
Okay...

>Splatoon is the epitome of what is wrong with modern gaming

A fun multiplayer game that a ton of people are enjoying is everything wrong with modern gaming? Okay.

>Atlus are beyond overrated

Everyone's favorite buzzword. "Overrated" is a completely worthless word.

>And Monster Hunter epitomises a series being milked to death. It's the exact same game over and over again, without, again, any real innovation.

Said by someone who doesn't play the series. What Capcom is best at is taking a strong idea and refining it continually. Monster Hunter keeps the core idea of what made it great but has been steadily getting better with release.

>low-standards and confirmation bias. Not an argument.
You can say low standards, I honestly think you don't really like video gaming. You like the nostalgia you still hold for the games you played when you were young and everything you look at is clouded by that.

>Anecdotal evidence =not an argument.
>when quite clearly it isn't.

It's not clear at all. That's your opinion. And it's okay for you to feel that way, but it doesn't make you right. And you can stamp your feet and tell me I have low standards, but I think you're a fool. All you do is try to make arguments about how the things people are having fun playing shouldn't be fun and they shouldn't be enjoying them.

And it always comes down to the same thing. You say everything sucks and there's nothing or barely anything good (anecdotal) and I say I think there's so much great stuff out there my problem is finding time in the day to play everything I want (also anecdotal).

The reality is we just completely disagree, and I think that's fine but we clearly see things from a completely different perspective.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 11:15:09 2017 No.3852784 >>3843480 because it's small team + low budget + no women

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 11:57:56 2017 No.3852847
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>>3852483
>Innovation also doesn't mean revolutionary, it just means improving upon and refining.

And incidentally this is exactly what Capcom does with Monster Hunter. And why your claim that the series is stagnating is part of the reason I find everything you say so hard to take seriously.

The first game was already incredible. Like a glorious blend between their D&D brawlers and PSO with an amazing aesthetic and fantastic control scheme. It blended very high skill ceiling intense action with fun loot progression.

But for all that was good it was also rough around the edges in a lot of ways, with some mobs that were just not fun to fight and some weapon types that were clearly better than others. As well as some bad AI, camera control and broken hit boxes.

The PSP years were a little dark just because the PSP design is kind of shitty and not quite fit for the complexity of the control scheme. But they refined everything else and the game got better.

And I'll be honest, when they announced that the series was moving to the Nintendo DS, not Xbox360/PS3 I was super, super pissed. I ranted and raved and thought they'd flushed the system. But in reality it ended up being a great move. The DS (and now 3DS) with it's touch screen actually proved to be exactly what was really needed. They also further refined the weapons, making everything better and your characters able to have more skills and creative ways to build different sets. But to balance it the monsters keep getting harder and more complex.

The flagship badass monster that was such a pain in the first game when you met him is now actually much harder in terms of variety and nastiness of attacks, but he's also very tame compared to most of what you have to fight.

cont

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 12:00:00 2017 No.3852857
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>>3852847
Likewise when they announced that in the new version they were adding a super gauge and special arts I did worry it was going to ruin the series. But again I was proven wrong by them and it's ended up being by far the best game in the series ever.

And it's not like I see everything through rose tinted glasses. King of Fighters, one of my favorite series of all time faltered from not great to downright terrible for a while. Tomb Raider released an incredible game (Underworld) that was largely ignored and is now replaced with a near clone of Uncharted, a series I despise.

But even at that there's so much amazing going on that I find it hard for even the worst of it to bother me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 12:15:21 2017 No.3852897 >>3852468 >Splatoon is the epitome of what is wrong with modern gaming; a game with a short lifespan which profits off of a particular moment in time, before being a dead, meaningless game soon after You have have really hated arcades then.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:06:18 2017 No.3852994

>>3842052

Yes, I think it is somewhat accepted that games were at their best when the studios had grown above bedroom-tier, but not yet into a massive industry.

I don't know exactly when I would say that games were generally best, but I'm tempted to say somewhere from about 94 (release of X-com) to 2001 (release of Operation flashpoint).

Then the studios were small enough that the teams could be heavily involved in most aspects and passionate, and the studios had enough money to realize their ideas in a presentable way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:12:35 2017 No.3853008 >>3843480 First, Indies are amateurs. Second, the 'Indie-scene' or whatever you'd call it is basically the only source for interesting games nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:19:10 2017 No.3853019 File: 174 KB, 700x446, DSCF6548copy_zps0881c003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3853008

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:23:20 2017 No.3853027

>>3852129
>>3852483
You need to look in the fucking dictionary, because you clearly confuse innovation with evolution.

"Improving" and "refining" somthing established is evolution by definition.

Innovation by its definition is "new idea" or "new method"

In VG context that means either inventing something completely new (new idea), or doing somthing with old concepts that no one ever done before (new method). For instance, one of the first games recognised as modern "indie", with all its attributes is Gish. The innovative idea in Gish's case was protagonist that is made of a simulated liquid, and interaction with world consists of altering liquid's properties (slick/sticky/condensed).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:27:26 2017 No.3853032 >>3853008 I don't think you know what an amateur is.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:39:30 2017 No.3853046

>>3853008
Indies by definition, are independant. Meaning no executives telling them what they can and what they can not do, but also no publisher to give them money before they actually release the product (that's why they are asking Kickstarter most oftenly).

It has nothing to do with professionalism, and even professionals can sometimes go indie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:48:03 2017 No.3853062 File: 311 KB, 409x500, How-to-Talk-to-an-Autistic-Kid-Daniel-Stefanski.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3852107 >>3852115

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 14:35:03 2017 No.3853135 >>3844808 >I can't believe you don't see the appeal! Akiman confirmed for most based man in the business.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 14:50:58 2017 No.3853168 >>3852095 Nigger, you're the only one in this thread who belongs there, or ob /v/. It's incredible how much of an ass you made out of yourself multiple times in this thread alone, you are truly insufferable. >cue memebuzzwordtroll reply

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 15:10:10 2017 No.3853216 >>3853032 If I bake cookies and sell on the street I'm not a baker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 15:23:09 2017 No.3853238 >>3853216 If it's a hobby then no, not necessarily. If it's your vocation then you are by definition.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 15:55:04 2017 No.3853374
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>>3853062
I honestly hate ever having to mention it, but that guy was baiting hard and I was having fun. I don't think age actually matters at all and miss the days when "I disagree so you must be underage!" was the go-to rebuttal to virtually everything.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 16:14:55 2017 No.3853445

>>3853238

Yes, when I'm referring to indies I mainly mean people who make games who do not have it as a main job. Perhaps I'm using mistaken terminology, but it feels wrong to label for example the studio that did 'No mans sky' as an 'Indie-studio' in my mind, since they have so much funds.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 17:18:36 2017 No.3853572

>>3851971
>>3851980
I agree with all of this.

>>3851858
>It would also be nice if everyone arguing here actually went into the details of mechanics as to why older games are better/newer games are worse.
For me the big point is not some specific mechanics the games had. It's the very focus on mechanics, refinement and depth of those.
I think that in old games, the gameplay mattered way more, because games focused way less on graphics then they do today. Heck, look at Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Tetris, to name a few. They didn't have very advanced graphics, if at all. You couldn't really make anything to truly wow outsiders in 3rd gen. It was still bleeps and bloops, pixelated sprites and all that.
Then 4th gen opened the door to "dude graphics lmao" games. But it wasn't bad at first. Starfox tried new and cool gameplay ideas. DKC, though it's not my favorite by any means, was at least a solid platformer.
Heck, even SF2 definitely owes a lot of its success to the graphics. The thing is, it was only a part of its success; the other part was the iconic gameplay formula.
Other games actually used new possibilities brought by technology. Sonic 2 made a full use of Blast processing. Polygonal 3D made Quake possible. And Shenmue tried to be a game of unprecedented proportions and immersion.
But as hardware evolved, graphics started approaching photorealism, and suddenly it became apparent that games were new action movies, and graphics were the new special effects. Look how almost every Hollywood action has incredibly recycled, cliched actual substance, because that's what has been proven to sell. It's deliberately made as dumb and cliched as possible, to cover the largest demographic and make sure any idiot gets it. But still, without a failure, every year new action movies get profit, due to hundreds of millions in special effects.
And that's exactly what most AAA games are: special effects with casual game attached.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 17:53:00 2017 No.3853647

>>3853572
(cont.)
And the thing is, it would be great if gameplay also got up to the graphics and became far more complex. But it's been exactly the opposite: games went backwards. It's good if you at least get decent FPS today, living by the standards laid by Goldeneye etc.; sometimes it's a non-game like physics simulator.
That's because every game is painstakingly focus group-tested to death. If some mouthbreather says he can't figure out where to go, the game will be made a rail shooter. If some 12 year old says he can't go 10 minutes without dying, you will have a game with no health.
In other words, the customer is always right. And when you need to sell 1 mln copies of a game to break even, you have to make sure no one's demands are left unnoticed, no one gets turned off by high difficulty, complex mechanics, confusing plot, etc. So… you just dumb it down to the bare basics, and give people what they're most familiar with. Don't you dare challenge people, try anything new, or god forbid some millennial won't understand how Water Temple works. That's how the stupidest part of players dictates what the rest will play.
But back in the SF2 times, Akiman could say, "fuck your deadlines, and fuck your tastes; I'm gonna draw my waifu with best thighs, and put it in the game, because I'm fucking Akiman". Back in the '90s, Nintendo would tell Shiggy to make Yoshi's Island pre-rendered like DKC, but he would make the game look like crayon art out of spite—and it'd get accepted. Later that decade, people in Nintendo R&D1 could develop what would become WarioWare in secret from their manager, and then other people would come and give then their ideas for microgames.
It was just about who was "right". When creator is the dictator, you get Takeshi's Challenge. When it's the dumbest players, you get casual games. When you find a compromise and the creators and players are willing to understand each other, you occasionally get something like SF2 or DQ.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 22:00:20 2017 No.3854117
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>>3853647
But fighters are a perfect example of a genre that's been just getting better and better over time and the opposite of more casual and accessible.

And DQ1 though remarkable in it's day is ultimately a pretty simple game.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 22:49:20 2017 No.3854205

>>3852994
>the studios had grown above bedroom-tier, but not yet into a massive industry

The biggest problem with modern gaming by far is that this middle-ground has been driven out from the high end and still isn't supportable from the low end, and what I'm afraid of is that the lower end won't ever get a consistent pool of expertise to sustain something like the DS boom.

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 07:56:25 2017 No.3854776

>>3850756
The difference is that you can identify quantifiable examples of how each decade flowed, though.
In other elements, I mean, the 80s and 90s were shit, or they had hints of shit to come.

I wouldn't consider it an exaggeration to say the 90s were the last chance we had to save the west and we blew it. Bill Clinton, Blair, etc, all wasted the left's chance to overturn neoliberal reforms.

Still, we had small dev studios as a major thing which was nice. Gas was cheap, cars were still cool looking and boxy, airplanes weren't all a variation on "white", and sonic wasn't yet a by-word for autism spectrum disorder.

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 10:00:09 2017 No.3854889 [DELETED]

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>>3854776
>I wouldn't consider it an exaggeration to say the 90s were the last chance we had to save the west and we blew it. Bill Clinton, Blair, etc, all wasted the left's chance to overturn neoliberal reforms.

So it's not just video games you're this batshit crazy nostalgia blinded about everything. But a con man tv personality who can barely make it through a sentence without making random shit up or lying through his teeth who tells you global warming is just weather and not caused by humans is right on the money? Your overwhelming stupidity puts us all at risk.

At least it makes the retarded things you say about modern games make more sense...

>>3854205
That was a problem of the PS2 era, now mid-budget games are thriving and where a lot of creativity and innovation are coming out. It's part of why gaming is so incredible these days.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 10:54:06 2017 No.3854940 >>3853168 That was my first post ITT, big guy. Jesus, you newfag lefties are easy to trigger.

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 12:00:58 2017 No.3855012

>>3854889
>But a con man tv personality who can barely make it through a sentence without making random shit up or lying through his teeth who tells you global warming is just weather and not caused by humans is right on the money?
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 13:06:25 2017 No.3855097 >>3855012 He's referring to frog man not being able to keep his facts straight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:25:32 2017 No.3855346 >>3853572 >I think that in old games, the gameplay mattered way more, because games focused way less on graphics then they do today. Heck, look at Dragon Quest Nigga Dragon Quest was boring as fuck tho and Pokemon 1 is broken.

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:34:12 2017 No.3855367

Todd Howard
>after being on the chess club and being bullied by Jocks, Todd worked hard at his craft and created the greatest game series of all time. period. no questions asked. and anyone that disagrees with me is blatantly stupid and deserves to be Necked until death. dont reply to me with any negativity faggots or your mother will die in her sleep tonight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:37:48 2017 No.3855373 >>3855012 >>3854940 Please just hide his posts and don't answer to that /r/eddit cuck. He'd rather play games with his wife and her son.

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:41:13 2017 No.3855382

>>3854205
>The biggest problem with modern gaming by far is that this middle-ground has been driven out from the high end and still isn't supportable from the low end, and what I'm afraid of is that the lower end won't ever get a consistent pool of expertise to sustain something like the DS boom.
Basically this. Nothing to add, pretty much.
I'm kinda grateful now that Nintendo's handhelds stayed pretty backwards for years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:41:17 2017 No.3855383 >>3855373 lol this bitch be triggered

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:42:30 2017 No.3855385 >>3850772 You know lots of women were heavily involved in the development of all of Capcom's classic fighters, don't you? Vega was designed by a woman. Many of the backgrounds and character sprites were drawn by women.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:49:37 2017 No.3855402 >>3855382 Steam says hi

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 16:22:32 2017 No.3855446 >>3855402 Console kiddies can't into Steam

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 17:13:08 2017 No.3855526 >>3854117 this might be the wrongest post i've ever read on /vr/, cheers

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 17:42:16 2017 No.3855601 File: 35 KB, 89x129, 9906.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3855526 Fighting games are a genre I take very seriously and have been playing for many, many years. This isn't a matter of opinion, in this case you are objectively flat wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 17:59:56 2017 No.3855645 >>3855601 >fighters are a perfect example of a genre that's been just getting better and better over time explain how this can be possible when there hasn't been a good fighting game released since cvs2 then

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:04:33 2017 No.3855651 File: 30 KB, 475x533, 1423004472938.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3855601 >taking video games seriously in current year

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:08:57 2017 No.3855659 >>3855645 >since cvs2 then cvs2? really??! I don't even know where to start with you people anymore...

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:13:04 2017 No.3855669 >>3855659 start with naming a good fighting game released after cvs2, thought that was obvious it shouldn't be hard since fighters are a perfect example of a genre that's been just getting better and better over time

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:24:27 2017 No.3855683

>>3848538
>>3848889
Ha I actually played alphabounce, and many other games from the same studio, they blended breakout with rpg elements or something, Its fun

Im not a big fan of casual games, just like the guy you were talking with, but I can appreciate a good casual game
If you are interested, check out PopCap, they excel in casual gaming

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:34:40 2017 No.3855698

>>3855669
CVS2 is a bit of an unbalanced clusterfuck. EO is a little better but still not incredible...

KoF2002 was better already, but Ultimate Match is even better because time went by and it was refined. Ditto with Street Fighter IV. That's the point of all this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:37:02 2017 No.3855706 >>3855698 >EO is a little better >02UM >SFIV ok, so i was right and you have no idea what you're talking about. just checking. carry on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 18:47:07 2017 No.3855727 File: 34 KB, 420x140, Whip_whip.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3855706 lol okay at least you didn't stick with sf 2

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 03:02:38 2017 No.3856596 >>3855385 Symphony of the Night composer was a woman unrelated, But Darker than Black and Cowboy Bebop composer was also a woman

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 03:13:27 2017 No.3856603

>>3844423
>>3844448
>>3844471
>>3844539

mboy's right. Great points, exactly what I would've said. I really don't like that pretentious reddit fake positivity.

"Gaming is so fucking awesome".. I really had to hold back my vomit when he said that. That's marketing yes-man talk if I ever heard it. Corralled idiot.

Point out anything he's doing and he'll just say "no, I wasn't doing that" I've met many idiots who spend the arguments defending themselves instead of making an arguemnt. That's called insecurity. And it's very telling. If he tried to make an arguemnt, it would fall apart completely. That's where they start pointing out the obvious in an attempt to deflect/throw you off, like saying "that's your opinion".. as if that fucking means anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 06:05:31 2017 No.3856746 >>3842052 yogi

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 08:02:50 2017 No.3856867
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>>3856603
Sorry you hate fun. Hope the amazing gameplay of Dragon Quest 1 keeps you going for all these years. :)

>"Gaming is so fucking awesome".. I really had to hold back my vomit when he said that.

This gave me a genuine belly laugh. Poor baby! You get upset so easily....

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 08:22:10 2017 No.3856882 Hey whats going on in this thread Lots of shitposts i see

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 09:35:20 2017 No.3856954 >>3856882 /vr/ crying about how mad they are that games are popular now.

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 09:38:44 2017 No.3856961

>>3856882
Brief synopsys: a somewhat fractured talk on how back in the day creative/freaky guys could be hired in game companies and helped make good games. The actual discussion gets constantly shunned and interfered by some not-redditor who needs everyone to agree that current year is gaming golden age, and if they don't he gets all defensive and jumps at them insisting he's right because he thinks so.
He can't make a single argument, while mostly justifying everything by blanket statements, clais without any evidence/examples, and opinions of other people "he knows". Not being able to make any substantial point, he constantly resorts to fallacies, lampoons others, and demands that he isn't called mean words.
Meanwhile he admits to being called "cuck" and "fag" a lot which really hurts his feelings and shows how he really is a smart guy with a different opinion, and also says he likes playing casual iPad games with his wife most of all and plays indie games on his PSP more than anything.

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 09:49:44 2017 No.3856975
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>>3856961
I love how I'm the one having a good time through all this and all you can do is cry and name call day in and day out, but somehow you till try to paint like I'm the one upset.

Sorry that my wife also likes video games and the PSP is a handy emulation device? I don't know why that bit gets your panties in a twist so much, but it's entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:07:56 2017 No.3856994 There were no SJWs in the 80s and 90s. Internet was a mistake.

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:15:28 2017 No.3857004

>>3856994
No, there were tons. In the 60's and 70's too. It was when hillbillies finally got the internet they suddenly realized not everyone was as backwards as they were so they started calling them social justice warriors.

Because you know, fighting for social justice is the one thing that backwater retard bigots hate more than anything.

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 12:25:14 2017 No.3857145

>>3856867
>This gave me a genuine belly laugh. Poor baby! You get upset so easily....

You've just underlined how pathetic you are. That was a joke. And you actually getting upset over it to the point that you have to mock me, makes me laugh. Insecure idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 12:55:49 2017 No.3857182 >>3857145 lol

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 18:36:14 2017 No.3857757
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>>3856994
SJWs really have little influence on the quality of games though.
Speaking of which… picrelated was the initial sketch of Claw in SF2. It was rejected because of Western "religious sensibilities".

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 22:43:41 2017 No.3858198

>>3850756
Lel I was in like 5th grade when this movie came out and have 00's nostalgia. I remember my cousins showing it too me for the first time at their old house and I fucking loved it.

Nostalgia for the stuff from your childhood is fine but plenty of losers on here seem to autistically hate anyone who didn't grow up in the same decade as them, as if the effect of that matters at all when you're looking at the ovetall personalities of individual people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 23:20:09 2017 No.3858256 >>3855383 Really seems to be the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 23:42:51 2017 No.3858279 >>3851971 >>3851980 Good posts.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 00:00:29 2017 No.3858314

>>3842950
>And he basically always slept in the closet when there was a huge bed in his room. I just saw his legs coming out of the closet. And I asked him, why is that? And he felt much more peace of mind when he slept in the closet.
I've never related to someone so much

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 00:02:49 2017 No.3858317 >>3843480 Because they take game design classes instead of actual programming and math classes

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 07:11:15 2017 No.3858846 >>3857757 ...that's a case of "sjw" I feel like everybody who says sjw are just pulling it out of their ass how else do you explain a bunch of idiots getting upset over a series of average youtube videos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 07:13:45 2017 No.3858849 >>3857757 ...that's a case of "sjw"? I feel like everybody who says sjw are just pulling it out of their ass how else do you explain a bunch of idiots getting upset over a series of average youtube videos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 07:37:01 2017 No.3858872 >>3858849 Not really, no. Just a pretty cool sketch of Vega which a certain board would have liked

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 07:45:05 2017 No.3858878 >>3858872 it is pretty cool

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 09:27:40 2017 No.3858987
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>>3858256
Real talk, I don't even know what you think I'm supposed to be upset about. It's him/you frothing at the mouth with rage over how much games suck now that I find funny so I poke. If I'm the one who's supposed to be butthurt at least give me something to work with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:29:30 2017 No.3859235 >>3858987 >real talk Take it to reddit. You have no idea who you're even replying to you colossal newfag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:34:19 2017 No.3859242 >>3859235 but anon, he posted some carefully picked images to prove his point!! aw give him a chance!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:36:26 2017 No.3859246 File: 51 KB, 430x250, las-bolas-spheres.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859235 lol come on, you can do better than that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:37:25 2017 No.3859250 >>3859246 yeah you're pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:43:34 2017 No.3859262 File: 39 KB, 604x422, Baby99718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859242 Give me a chance man! What am I supposed to be butthurt about? >>3859250 That's still not much to go on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:44:52 2017 No.3859263 I see a response and click minimise lol It's time to stop this. This retard has full autism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:47:05 2017 No.3859269 >>3858279 I agree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:47:15 2017 No.3859270 >>3859263 Maybe you can convince someone else that DQ1 was the best RPG ever :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:48:21 2017 No.3859273 >>3859270 wtf is DQ1?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:49:51 2017 No.3859276 >>3859270 does this autist keep thinking he's talking to the same person? I've seen this a few times. What a fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:51:23 2017 No.3859280 >>3859273 That's right, deflect. Ignore that DQ1 while impressive for it's day is ultimately a pretty bare bones and boring game compared to what came after it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:51:31 2017 No.3859281 >>3859263 I told you about the faggot bro. >>3855373 >>3856961 I told you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:52:33 2017 No.3859283 >>3859276 It doesn't make any difference to me if you're 1 or 10 people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:54:03 2017 No.3859286 >>3859280 WHHHAAATT I never fucking talked to you about DQ1 what you want from me XD >>3859281 yeahh, I'm really starting to see that.. well at least I got a laugh >>3859283 LOL!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 12:56:15 2017 No.3859292 >>3859286 >what you want from me XD Entertainment.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:00:17 2017 No.3859303

>>3858987
I don't get why everyone's picking on you, but I think they're just a bunch of meanies

ignore them, they're not worth it ;*

Honestly, I think Gaming is so damn cool these days, Skyrim is still one of favorite games and I bought it the day it released and it was flawless. I never experiened all the complaints and glitches people talk about when they talk about modern gaming, maybe they're just jealous of the success of bigger companies and they just want a piece of the action.

Games are super ambitious and creative now, and I like how actors are coming into games too, which makes games on par with hollywood movie quality and finally will be taken seriously as a narrative medium. I like you, am so happy and excited for the next gen of games. And all these losers can stick to their ancient consoles, but you and I will enjoy our games at 4k at 60 frames per second. :)

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:10:14 2017 No.3859320
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>>3859303
I don't even think they're picking on me. If anything I'm the one picking on them for whining all the time.

I hated Skyrim though. Not that any of the Elder Scrolls were that good, but to me Skyrim is boring as fuck. I am however genuinely happy that it exists out there in the world for all the people who do like it and what it brings to the table.

That's just a small part of what's so great, the variety.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:13:24 2017 No.3859326 File: 19 KB, 886x78, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859320 HAHAHAHA I serious response from you you piece of shit!! This is the level at which your brain works, you fucktard.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:18:57 2017 No.3859334
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>>3859326
I'm actually more or less seriously responding all the time. And have never been subtle about the point that I am just mocking you and your ilk for bitching about how upset modern games make you.

That doesn't make my love of modern games (games of all eras really) any less real. But your pissing and moaning about how upset DLC makes you is funny to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:20:11 2017 No.3859337 >>3859334 don't try to save yourself.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:21:36 2017 No.3859342

>>3859326
Incidentally if you kept talk to /vr/ and didn't pepper so many threads here with diatribes about how everything sucks now and modern games and ruined by whatever buzzword is coming out of you today I never would have started.

Now it's just fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:22:38 2017 No.3859343 >>3859337 From what? lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:26:19 2017 No.3859354 >>3859342 >>3859343 I swear this guy has multiple disorders.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:31:30 2017 No.3859362 >>3859354 Welcome to 4chan :) It also entertains me when you babies think I'm from Ribbit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 13:41:57 2017 No.3859378 File: 13 KB, 300x200, 300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859362 >Ribbit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 14:05:05 2017 No.3859445 File: 1.73 MB, 297x222, salty frogso1_400.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3859378

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 15:47:52 2017 No.3859640 >>3858872 >>3857757 That looks so much better than in game Vega.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 16:06:03 2017 No.3859669 File: 930 KB, 200x133, 1483481104133.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3842052 >see op >expect cool tidbits from game companies >receive 300+ posts about indie scene oh, /vr/, you crack me up

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 16:16:23 2017 No.3859687 >>3859669 Did you even read OP's post to the end? It was never supposed to be about cool tidbits, just bitching.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 16:21:03 2017 No.3859701 >>3859687 It was never about the indie scene either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 16:24:00 2017 No.3859708 >>3859701 It was OP and them that tried to make it about that as well. It's just yet another /vr/ thread that's not about retro games, it's about how upset they are it's not the 80's or 90's anymore.

Anonymous Tue Mar 14 18:06:18 2017 No.3860014
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>>3859669
well here's something.
the writer of terranigma, soul blazer, illusion of gaia, and granstream saga, who was also vice-president of quintet vanished off the face of the fucking earth.
he and the president of quintet just disappeared.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 18:21:43 2017 No.3860036 >>3858317 implying old games were well-programmed? lol? i think you mean gender studies classes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 14 18:26:10 2017 No.3860045 >>3852129 >>3852483 This post makes no fucking sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 02:02:06 2017 No.3860852 >>3850021 >Tyrian My nigger

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 08:48:34 2017 No.3861152 File: 768 KB, 1578x877, superhot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3860045 Even when something is new and interesting and fun it still doesn't matter because reasons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 12:38:03 2017 No.3861558 >>3844617 I don't think I've ever saved a pic quicker than this one!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 17:40:54 2017 No.3862030 >>3860014 What's weird is that Quintet still existed as a company last time I checked but it just... doesn't ever do anything.

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 18:13:36 2017 No.3864016

>>3843987
I get that it's hard to understand but just because someone overpays by a huge amount for something does not mean that's the cost of that thing. If you convince a retard to hire 50 lightbulb analysts to do the same work, then throw out 49 of them and use one light-bulb for your house it doesn't mean it's worth more than a few bucks despite the fact that you spent thousands over-addressing the issue with a bloated staff and then threw out the work.

The actual cost of being able to make games at the quality these days is nowhere near as high as they give now. It's in many cases not that much higher than it was in the 90s. Cheaper possibly because it's significantly easier and cheaper to produce the assets needed. Computers are faster and easier to work with, digital art is faster to create as well as audio being cheaper with full CPU based studios basically being inexpensive enough to put in the lap of even the worst amateurs for a pittance compared to old cost. Hell, DIY soundbooths are simple enough to make by a single competent person. Scanners aren't overly complex expensive pieces of equipment assuming you don't just use a camera and rigging to that. Access to documentation for this is way more readily available at your fingertips. Most AAA titles are actually fairly poor quality in many areas, and definitely in the gameplay department and it often doesn't take more than an indie studio to basically shit on AAA engines in many ways. It's cheaper and easier to make games than it ever has been before.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 23:42:39 2017 No.3864537 >>3850772 >he doesn't fucking know who Yoko is

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 11:42:21 2017 No.3865305

>>3864016
>Most AAA titles are actually fairly poor quality in many areas, and definitely in the gameplay department

What do you base this on? I see the opposite. Control schemes are on the whole more complex now than they used to be.

Monster Hunter again is a prime example of an extremely popular series that has always been based around strong, complex, interesting fast paced and fun action mechanics. And it and the game get consistently better with every iteration.

Can you give a concrete example of a AAA game now that exemplifies your claim of most of them being of fairly poor quality, and definitely in the gameplay department"

Indie games are doing incredible things though, that part I agree with you. And it's inevitable that young bright kids with new ideas will come up with cheaper or better solutions than large corporations will. But one being awesome doesn't make the other garbage.

Anonymous Sat Mar 18 00:32:08 2017 No.3866542

>>3865305
>Can you give a concrete example of a AAA game now that exemplifies your claim of most of them being of fairly poor quality, and definitely in the gameplay department"

Games released from
EA
Ubisoft
Activision
Square Enix
and more

At this point it seems like you are playing stupid on purpose to not realize how dumbed down games have become over the last 10 years

>What do you base this on? I see the opposite. Control schemes are on the whole more complex now than they used to be.

Control schemes aren't game mechanics. It's looking more and more like you are casual pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 08:32:21 2017 No.3866917 >>3866542 He calls monster hunter "fast paced" so, he's definitely not well acquainted with video games. Curious why he's even on a /vr/ board if he apparently doesn't even play them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 13:37:58 2017 No.3867308 >>3866542 So I ask for specifics and you give me a list of companies and the implication of what that means is universal. This is why I don't take you seriously. >>3866917 You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 18 16:04:15 2017 No.3867519 >>3860014 >Y's fucks sake

Anonymous Sun Mar 19 20:08:10 2017 No.3869926

>>3862030
They ended up taking refuge under another company over the 2000s, I forget the name of them, they had an active message board community constantly asking about quintet's next project for years, then like between 2006 and 2009 that company disappeared.

Pretty sure quintet doesn't actually exist anymore, just the paperwork telling people it doesn't was ever filed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 09:58:58 2017 No.3871068 >>3867308 >This is why I don't take you seriously. No need to repeat what your mother tells you, fella. We've all seen her Facebook.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 10:14:30 2017 No.3871072 >>3871068 What kind of a comeback is that even supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 23:32:17 2017 No.3872524 >>3843031 >how about we just use an adblocker and/or tracking blocker and go wherever we want? thats not why

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 09:50:03 2017 No.3873236 >>3842358 >don't read polygon Why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 09:52:59 2017 No.3873240 >>3873236 They are feminists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 09:55:48 2017 No.3873246 >>3873240 Lol okay, I thought you were going to give a real reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 10:05:31 2017 No.3873263 >>3873236 They're all that's left of Joystiq

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 10:14:51 2017 No.3873274 >>3843480 These days most indie teams consist of all "ideas guys".

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 10:36:31 2017 No.3873306

>>3873246
they constantly give lower scores to games featuring women in skimpy outfits, complain about how every japanese game is sexist, is a microsoft propaganda site (microsoft partly founded Polygon in its day with $350,000), it shoehorns politics everywhere and their concept of a "masterpiece" is gone home

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 10:38:21 2017 No.3873308 >>3873274 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:08:11 2017 No.3873354 >>3865305 >Indie games are doing incredible things though Such as? All I see are decent at best games centered on one or two interesting gimmicks and a sea of uninspired puzzle games and medroid clones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:09:48 2017 No.3873360 >>3873354 I'm sure you do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:13:03 2017 No.3873367 >>3873354 the only interesting "indie" games are japanese doujin games, which aren't "indie" in the Western sense. Western indie games are an embarrassment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:14:28 2017 No.3873372 >>3873367 >the only interesting "indie" games are japanese doujin games AH HA HA HA HA HA A HAH HA HA HA HAHA

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:17:08 2017 No.3873378 >>3873372 they are, give me some examples of things you'd find interesting in the western indie scene. I'm very excited to hear about night in the woods and undertale.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:20:27 2017 No.3873386 >>3873360 Please refrain from responding to me with reddit shitposting, thanks.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:23:53 2017 No.3873397

>>3873378
I was more laughing at the part about doujin games being good. I would mention things like Darkest Dungeon, but you'd likely poo poo because it's a roguelike and they all look the same to you. Or Rive, but you shoot things in that so you'd pucker up like you ate a lemon and declare it derivative too. Just like any puzzle game must be a mindless clone even though you never played it.

At this point talking to you is basically a joke to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:25:03 2017 No.3873406 >>3873386 If you can't handle it you're on the wrong site, Kiddo. :^)

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:27:38 2017 No.3873410

>>3873397
darkest dungeon? son I have every c88 game, including darkest dungeon. No need to act "smugly superior" when you're talking about old games. I enjoyed darkest dungeon for playing like a nice throwback to kings field. I'm talking about games like Sakuna, annika & giraffe, skylens, NSHG, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:28:35 2017 No.3873414 >>3873410 That's nice :)

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:30:28 2017 No.3873418

>>3873414
so you have nothing to contribute and are just a shitposting retard who thinks talking about old comiket releases is something to feel superior about.

remember how this stemmed from a disagreement over how western indie games were shit, japanese doujin circle releases were far more interesting, and you went on to name japanese doujin releases as your case for interesting western indie games?

this sure was constructive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:31:57 2017 No.3873421 >>3873418 actually, my mistake. I thought darkest dungeon was dungeons & darkness, a c88 game which is far better than yet another roguelite rehash. shit happens when names are similar. Oh well, feel free to think mediocre games are anything special.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:32:10 2017 No.3873423 >>3873418 Yeah this whole thread is basically a comedy mine at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:33:12 2017 No.3873424 >>3873421 >a c88 game which is far better than yet another roguelite rehash. And you wonder why all I ever do is make fun of you anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:33:46 2017 No.3873427 >>3873423 western cucks ruined yet another fun thread, what a shame

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:34:49 2017 No.3873430 >>3873424 >he doesn't want a successor to ultima underworld & kings field enjoy your random generation flash game I guess

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:36:15 2017 No.3873439 File: 955 KB, 500x273, mileena-mortal-kombat-animated-gif-13.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3873427 Yeah this great /vr/ thread that was only ever a screen to piss and moan about how upset modern gaming makes you. Such a shame!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:37:26 2017 No.3873441 >>3873439 it doesn't bother me, just bores me

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:40:15 2017 No.3873449 >>3873441 >it doesn't bother me Your eternal asspain says otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:44:51 2017 No.3873452 >>3873449 nothing makes a person madder than entry level steam baby garbage like darkest dungeon lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:47:16 2017 No.3873459 File: 32 KB, 226x196, fishbushperch.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3873452 :)

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:11:43 2017 No.3873506

>>3873441
Same. I've played FTL, Isaac, Fez, Owlboy, and pretty much every other acclaimed indie game that releases. I always pirate them to see what the hype's about and get very bored with each of them after an hour or two. Shovel Knight had ok gameplay but man I find the whole quirky retro humor tired and bland. SRPGs are probably my favorite genre of game so I tried Banner Saga too because I heard it's amazing, but nah it was just as uninspired as everything else and the combat was barebones. Oh well, at least Ace Combat 7 is coming out and Nioh was fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:15:17 2017 No.3873518 >>3873506 >I always pirate them to see what the hype's about and get very bored with each of them after an hour lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:23:10 2017 No.3873543 >>3873518 Did you finally break?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:30:13 2017 No.3873552 >>3873246 oh never mind I thought you were smart

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:30:43 2017 No.3873553

>>3873543
That bit was just extra funny to me. He played FTL for an hour at best. It's like the reverse of all those 15 year olds who download a ROM dump of every NES game ever. Then play each for a few minutes, not enough to learn the game, just enough to get annoyed and then declare the whole system is shit.

It's great. This is all great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:50:45 2017 No.3873605 >>3873553 Actually I beat the game twice. 100%'d Isaac, too, which is an alright game but I put it down after that. But yeah, we're all raging mad 10-year-olds for finding indie games less than stellar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:55:37 2017 No.3873619 >>3873605 Why did you beat FTL twice and 100% Isaac if you got bored after an hour or two?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 12:56:04 2017 No.3873620 >>3873605 >But yeah, we're all raging mad 10-year-olds for finding indie games less than stellar. Nice reading comprehension.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 13:57:02 2017 No.3873737

>>3873620
See >>3873439, your bantz needs work.

>>3873619
Beating FTL twice only took a couple hours and Isaac was an example of an indie title I actually liked for a while. I beat Shovel Knight, too. The vast majority I drop an hour or two in out of boredom. And no, there are no super amazing mechanics I'm missing in these games I drop. I just don't like them after an honest try.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 14:04:30 2017 No.3873754 >>3873737 lols those were both me. You suck at reading, Kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 14:10:08 2017 No.3873765 >>3873754 Ok, I see you've devolved into full newfag shitposting. You've been replying for a fortnight, buddy. Take a break and check on your whale of a wife and the newest epic pixel metroidvania. You clearly don't belong here.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 14:20:15 2017 No.3873790
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>>3873765
>You clearly don't belong here.
Still trying that eh? I simply stopped putting as much effort into my replies, but I still find your upset entertaining. A fortnight goes by fast on 4chan. Time flies when you're having fun, as they say.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 15:07:58 2017 No.3873884

>>3873790
That's good, you're learning. Your inane walls of text ITT are embarrassing. I can only imagine what a pathetic visage you and your wife must make. Perhaps it's time to put down those silly indie games and join a gym. Be warned though, unlike that new walking sim, it will take some work.

This post is by an anon other than the one you previously replied to. I know you struggle with this. Consider suicide ;^)

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 15:15:50 2017 No.3873896

>>3873884
lol neither of us are fat, but gold star for coming up with a new random insult to throw around at least. If you actually just talked about retro games here and not "retro games are good because modern games are SJW faggot cancer!" I wouldn't mock you so much. But you do, and it's fun.

I still don't care if it's 1 or 10 people, you're all the same to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 20:55:26 2017 No.3874673 File: 331 KB, 640x480, 1364361076283.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This might be the most /v/ thread I've ever seen on /vr/ God damn this place has gone to shit.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 06:28:56 2017 No.3875539

>>3844481
>Odallus
My negro.

Vagante is also pretty fun in multiplayer, think Zelda 2 (play the knight) but vertical and with equipment variety.

Bot Vice has a terrible title and YMMV on the voice acting (cringe?), but play it on hard and it's a joint wrecking 180BPM heartrate kind of bullet hell game. It's like a really good modern Wild Guns. But seriously, play it on hard.

I also put 70hrs into Dungeon of the Endless. Good obscure game from smallish studio, or at least they were. It isn't vr but the pixel art is a throwback.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 07:24:17 2017 No.3875594 File: 77 KB, 384x384, 1485661597302.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3873896 >neither of us are fat

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 19:28:33 2017 No.3876661 >>3875594 lol so you're upset random insult #982 didn't work either?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 03:10:32 2017 No.3877451 >>3873367 And you are a "weeaboo"

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 03:18:13 2017 No.3877458 >>3874673 It's probably because numale /v/irgins read that we had a thread about this here

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 09:08:26 2017 No.3877845 File: 29 KB, 480x720, Kagemusha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3877451

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 09:16:47 2017 No.3877858 >>3877458 I know, right? Who defends indie games THIS hard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 09:21:27 2017 No.3877864 >>3877858 People who enjoy them :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 09:48:00 2017 No.3877884 File: 31 KB, 598x448, 1490275426861.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3877864

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 10:24:10 2017 No.3877913 File: 157 KB, 1600x912, 1490279050387.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3877884 Give me one good reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:03:09 2017 No.3880380 File: 42 KB, 520x416, 1399461726156.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This whole thread Sure is /v/ in here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:08:48 2017 No.3880391 >>3880380 It's 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 04:16:36 2017 No.3881905 >>3843480 D E V I L D A G G E R S you fucking mongoloid

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 09:18:01 2017 No.3882257

>>3848393
You're a fag. Fez is literally plagiarized from Tower Toppler and a few other games. That's what REALLY gets me about you "BUT INDIE WILL SAVE DA GAMEZ INDUHSTRY" faggots. Most of this shit is all derivative of popular games when these so-called devs were kids. There are very few real original ideas coming from the modern indie scene. For fuck sake, how many 2D dark souls clones have been squatted out on Steam lately? I'm not even saying they're all shit, but your post makes you sound like you're underaged and lack the necessary gaming experience to even have a qualified opinion on the subject.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 09:19:34 2017 No.3882261 >>3849315 You're an idiot, and you're both obviously fucking trolling. Anyone who grew up with a DOS based PC doesn't even need to ask that question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 09:21:04 2017 No.3882263 >>3881905 ahahaha he said good not disposable indie shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 09:24:33 2017 No.3882268 >>3850021 Before that, Wolfenstein 3D, Jill of the Jungle, Duke Nukum, Secret Agent, One Must Fall, Solar Winds, Blake Stone, Overkill, Zone 66, Sango Fighter, Hocus Pocus, Captain Comic, Bushido, etc, etc, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 09:26:06 2017 No.3882270 >>3850774 Only if you're an easily impressed moron who's never played the games Fish ripped off to make it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 14:40:52 2017 No.3882648 >>3882270 Which games are those?

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 14:49:21 2017 No.3882659

>>3882257
Tower Toppler is a platformer, FEZ isn't. Aside from a similar aesthetic they have virtually nothing in common at all. Idiots like you who talk about the game and dismiss it like you know everything about it when you clearly never even played it.

It's a puzzle solving/crytography game. It's not a platformer or action game in any way. You just happen to navigate it's world by walking and jumping. You could replace every jump with a bridge or ramp and it would barely change the actual game. Despite outward appearance, it's much, much, much more like Myst than Tower Topper.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 17:20:32 2017 No.3882892 >>3858317 Game design courses are 90% programming, much less art base than you probably think. They sound like a lot of fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 18:49:20 2017 No.3883045 >>3842052 I still laugh whenever I remember that story of the id crew having to break down a door in the office that they couldn't get open, and Carmack running off to fetch his battleaxe to do it (because of course he owned one)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 20:02:00 2017 No.3883232 >>3882659 >myst suck shitpost incoming

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 01:54:49 2017 No.3883891 >>3882659 Fez and Myst are totally different faggot

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 11:08:00 2017 No.3884545
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>>3883891
Indeed Myst and Fez are very, very different. But that's the the thing, there really isn't anything else quite like Fez, but Myst is at least a similar kind of game. You explore an environment and use what you gather from your surroundings to solve puzzles and move forward. Where as Tower Topper isn't really similar in any way.

I do understand some of the disappointment people had with it. I think because the aesthetic is reminiscent of Cave Story and you navigate the world in a old school platformer style that many people expected that's the kind of game it was going to be.

People were expecting a standard action platformer with a perspective shifting twist, but it could hardly be father from that. I love it, but puzzle games like this were never as popular as platformers and the kind of game it is was never going to appeal to the masses.

This is what I love about indie games development though, you can have a game like Fez that's pretty weird and maybe doesn't appeal to a lot of people and even get panned by many, but it's still a success and adored by those who did want that kind of game.

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 12:05:25 2017 No.3884664

>>3843480
Because indie devs aren't company men. The missing ingredient is "Your skills are new and will not get you a job in any other industry but this one; if you fuck up, you will be fired and have zero job prospects. Best have this game ready by holiday." being yelled at you every day.

As much as people try to pretend that "doujin game" is different than an indie game, most indie games are made by enthusiasts and not people whose complete livelihoods are based on creating a relatively new niche product in a climate where you had to come up with something completely new. Even if Shovel Knight/Cave Story had come out in the 80s/90, there wouldn't have been anything TOO revolutionary about them; they'd just be Top 50 Games material.

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 12:35:50 2017 No.3884724

>>3884664
>Even if Shovel Knight/Cave Story had come out in the 80s/90, there wouldn't have been anything TOO revolutionary about them;

That's in large part because they're throwbacks by design. Shovel Knight could almost be a massive Mega Man romhack and Cave Story is a retro love letter. If a magical downport of something like Terraria appeared on SNES in 1993 it would have been very revolutionary.

It is hard to make something that's both completely new and good at the same time though, it's true. Most people try for a mix, and as with all things the result is often less than perfect. But the more stabs there are, the more chances there are for one to get it get it right on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 05:30:28 2017 No.3886218 >>3883045 Id was a crazy fucking place back then. Game dev needs more cocaine again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:30:11 2017 No.3886563 >>3844617 >tfw I thought this was a picture of Chun Li the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:44:33 2017 No.3886667 >>3850772 most of the greatest japanese /vr/ musicians were women though like a big part of capcom's sound team were women

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 15:18:47 2017 No.3886976 >>3886563 It is though

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 15:44:50 2017 No.3887039 >>3882268 >Solar Winds Damn I used to play that on school computers!

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:06:08 2017 No.3887647

>>3886218
The rockstar lifestyle and paychecks are what killed development. Money was made and larger teams were created to make more money and the fun was over. You have the occasional rogue dev team but all the code bros that can make it happen fucked off into more lucrative fields like search engine design and data analysis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 09:35:38 2017 No.3888678 >>3887647 >Money was made and larger teams were created to make more money and the fun was over. Holy shit you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:02:43 2017 No.3888936 File: 529 KB, 600x600, carmork.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3883045 Ohh to be a fly on the wall.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 09:17:21 2017 No.3890630 >>3873506 >I always pirate them to see what the hype's about and get very bored with each of them after an hour or two. >>3873605 >Actually I beat the game twice. 100%'d Isaac, too, >in under and hour each This thread was so great.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 09:27:08 2017 No.3890641 >>3890630 Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 10:01:57 2017 No.3890680 >>3890641 Are you going to claim that's two different people with the second just happening to reply as if he's the same person? Go for it.

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