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3825956 No.3825956 [Reply] [Original]

Non-American here, how did this game manage to sell that much? Aside for SM64 (which was a pack-in so it doesn't really count), this is THE best-selling game of 5th gen in North America, way ahead of any PS title (let alone 64).
What did it? Was it the relatively early release, when PS didn't yet take the whole market? Was the hype big for it? Was it remembered in a year-two after its release? Because frankly, I've never seen this game mentioned anywhere before Internet.

>> No.3825963

Best Bond in his own game, and the slundtrack i guess

>> No.3825968

>>3825956
spread by word of mouth, plus the n64 really didn't have many great games at the time.

4-player goldeneye was THE party game for much of the late 90s and early 2000s. The only other games we played were Mario Kart and Smash Bros.

>> No.3825969

>>3825956
>how did this game manage to sell that much?
Because we played multiplayer with our friends. You remember those right?

>> No.3825982

>>3825969
Where I lived it was all Counter-Strike, I have no idea how popular it was in the West. I guess it was huge, I was surprised when I saw the game recently shown on Conan for an ebin '90s kids throwback.

>> No.3826000

>>3825956
Goldeneye actually outsold Halo Combat Evolved, which is something a lot of people don't seem to be aware about.

The reason it did so well is twofold. Firstly, people were sick of Doom clones by then and the game had an accessible and high quality single player that wasn't a Doom clone. Secondly, it made FPS multiplayer accessible, you didn't need a complicated computer setup with multiple computers, just plug in four controllers and you're ready to go.

>>3825982
>Where I lived it was all Counter-Strike
Goldeneye was released 18 months before even the first public beta of Counter Strike.

>> No.3826003

>>3825982
It wasn't counter strike at goldeneye time 1) cos it didn't exist 2) your eastern euro technology means you played cs years after it was first conceived, thus 3) your time line is also invalid 4) don't speak on issues that occured in more civilised and up to date places

>> No.3826005

>>3825968
Still doesn't have many good games in 2017

>> No.3826006

>>3825956
>how did this game manage to sell that much?
Multiplayer.

>> No.3826008

>>3826000
>Firstly, people were sick of Doom clones by then
What about Quake? Guess it wasn't on consoles, but then again Doom didn't do extremely well on consoles either.

> Goldeneye was released 18 months before
Yeah, I'm aware of that. The other anon just said that "4-player goldeneye was THE party game for much of the late 90s and early 2000s."

>> No.3826010

>>3826008
>What about Quake?
Quake is a Doom clone.

>Guess it wasn't on consoles
It received a release on Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64.

>Doom didn't do extremely well on consoles
The PS1 version had quite reasonable sales.

>> No.3826012

>>3826006
How many fps was it again? 60 / 4 players = 15?

>> No.3826015

>>3826012
nobody cared about fps back then

>> No.3826020

>>3825956
Console owners were starved for a good multiplayer FPS, so this fairly mediocre, comically delayed game came along and people ate it the fuck up

Probably more responsible than any other game for starting the console FPS trend that emphasized multiplayer, which is ironic given how its multiplayer was a last minute idea

>> No.3826031

>>3826020
>mediocre
Goldeneye's single player is better designed than Quake's.

>> No.3826038

>>3826031
There were a lot of mediocre games back then

>> No.3826039

>>3826031
Not a big achievement to be honest

>> No.3826040

>>3825982
>Where I lived it was all Counter-Strike

That's actually a great way to explain this, then. Say you weren't a PC gamer, for whatever reason. You wanted something like Counter-Strike, but all you had was an N64.

That's why GoldenEye was such a big deal. Imagine something like a fun Counter-Strike LAN party with your friends, but it's all on one TV, and you only needed one machine and copy of the game.

You might say it's an inferior experience, but for a lot of people this was easy and accessible, so it was a go-to multiplayer game for parties.

>> No.3826046

I hate to sound hipster-y, but I genuinely enjoyed The World is not Enough more

>> No.3826073

>>3826040
What about Quake 2 on PS? Played it with a friend, was surprisingly fun. I know there were other multiplayer shooters on PS too, but they weren't very popular. I wonder why

>> No.3826076

>>3825968
I used to bring Dr. Mario 64 to gatherings and nobody was interested. Feels bad man.

>> No.3826079

>>3825956
>this is THE best-selling game of 5th gen in North America

Pokémon was bigger IIRC.

>> No.3826080

Why was Perfect Dark never as popular as GoldenEye? Was it just because it was released so late in the N64's lifespan?

>> No.3826083

>>3825956
>how did this game manage to sell that much?

multiplayer

>> No.3826093

>>3826080
That and it needed the expansion pack,

>> No.3826095

>>3826079
Oh, my bad. Should've said "console" games. Of course Pokemon was bigger than anything.

>>3826080
This and also expansion pack. Plus no 007 license (which I guess did have some impact)

>> No.3826132

>>3826073
Even though the port of Quake 2 on PSX was very good, it literally was the PC version just watered down.

Goldeneye's multi was a bit more unique due to gadgets like remote mines.

>> No.3826138

>>3825956
Back in a time before terrorism and dreadful nights slaving at the computer for a marketing division you have zero personal contact with, you went to your friends house down the street and played this game for six hours. If you owned this game, six or seven people would come to your house on average three or four times a week, and you were probably the first kid in your clique that had a girlfriend.

One of the best attributes of GoldenEye 007 was its ability to conjure pizza almost everywhere it went. It was almost as if a beacon that signaled directly to the local Dominoes went off whenever this game was in. I don't have any other theory to explain how many memories I have that connect pizza to this game.

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3826141

>>3825969
>implying i had friends
I used to just roam around multiplayer maps by myself.

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3826163

>>3825956

Tip of le reddit cap to you too, m'lady. Le Bond is indeed trendy to mock, but put your mind to these facts fortwhit sir:
It received multiple sequels and is still sprecaned about even this fortnight.
It has more complex FPS gameplay than modern shooters like the ruffians COD and Halo. Features like escort missions, civilians, stealth, co-op, and numerous maps and weapons to customize for fun.
That you are indeed the gayest of faggots.

>> No.3826164

>>3826163
What's that a map of in the background?

>> No.3826168

>>3826163
Where did I call it bad, faggot?

>> No.3826170

>>3826073
I'm honestly not very familiar with the Quake games, so I wouldn't be able to tell you.

This is something I should fix.

>> No.3826174

It was the best fps going at that time in my opinion,

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3826198

This shit mystified me

>> No.3826201
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3826201

I loved the objective based single player, for me me it was really different from the "go from point A to point B" FPS games of the time, in fact, after replaying it recently I still think it is way better than Half-Life. The multiplayer was awsome as well, used to play all the time with my brother.

>> No.3826209

>>3825956
It was a great game with great multiplayer based on a popular film. What don't you get?

>> No.3827042

>>3826164
That is the Oblivion map, definitely Elder Scrolls

>> No.3827186

>>3826138
If this isnt pasta, it needs to be

Bravo anon

>> No.3827212

>>3825956
Mario 64 was not a pack-in, and yeah, it does count.

>> No.3827265

>>3826198
ah yeah there's a lot of really weird unused shit in that game

>> No.3827329

It was also absolutely huge in europe. The suggestion that NAs appreciated this game so much more is just bullshit.

>> No.3827372

>>3826012

Is this a serious question?

>> No.3827426

>>3825956
SM64 was not a pack in. isn't this board 18+?

>> No.3827480

>>3826010
Semantically speaking, Quake is credited with being the first FPS. Things like Hexen, Strife, Ken's Labyrinth were "Doom clones."

>>3825956
It was budget multiplayer-focused in an era when PC gaming was a huge fucking investment and the concept of required 3D graphics cards pushing their prices up into the thousands of dollars.

It was far easier to convince mom and pop to shell out $250 for an N64 and some games for Christmas than $2000 for a bleeding edge Pentium 2 and an internet connection to play TCP/IP 16-player Quake that would invariably get dropped when grandma tried to call Midge to talk about their soaps.

>> No.3828772

>>3826080
By the time perfect dark came ou half life, TFC and counter strike were up and running. Most of us switched to those

>> No.3828791

>>3828772
>by the time this N64 game came out, a bunch of games that weren't on N64 were out

>> No.3828795

Pretty much the best 4-player couch FPS that generation

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3829980

>>3825956

>multiple diffiuculty settings per level
Different difficulty, different objectives - adding more challenge

>variety of weapons
Sure, you can unlock them all per stage, and use only a few; but, per level, no two levels have the same weapon loadout

>weapons themselves
Golden Gun, one shot one dead, hopefully the enemy.
Moonraker Laser, fuck yeah bzzz bzzz
Gold PP7, cheap ass Golden Gun with 7x bullets
Silver PP7, pass through all walls
Tank, fuck yeah shoot tank the RGB and Rocket Launcher are if you're a scientist
Taser, to kill while not killing.
Slappers Only, the TRUE JACKIE CHAN EXPERIENCE

>unlockable cheats
Want more diversity, there you go! Make things easier, or harder, or sillier.

>the AI
Fucking scientist from Caves that tossed a grenade at me the fuck I make sure to kill him.
Beyond that, enemies react and so do civillians.

>improvised multiplayer
Share the fun with everyone else except the one that plays Odd Job, best done with Jaws

Pic Related.

>> No.3830372

>>3825956
One of the best n64 games

>> No.3830420

>>Dem hit location reactions

And they got even better in Perfect Dark.

>> No.3830837

>>3826079
As where a number of other games.

>> No.3830979

>>3825956
Anyone like Nightfire better?

>> No.3831058

>>3825956
It was a first person shooter that wasn't a mediocre port from PC and arguably has the first modern singleplayer FPS campaign