/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3822472]

Has it aged well?

[Anonymous No.3822480]

Fun dungeon crawler even now, at least until Baya Malay Tower. The SMS Power re-translation/convenience hack helps this a lot. I wish the major late-game bosses weren't so dependent on luck, but oh well.

[Anonymous No.3822502]

>>3822472
Hell yeah.
NES doesnt hold a candle to the graphics of Phantasy Star

[Anonymous No.3822509]

>>3822502
Yeah snd Sega only needed to release 4 different consoles!

[Anonymous No.3822513]

>>3822502
>>3822509
>3 posts in
>console war already engaged

[Anonymous No.3822626]

>>3822472
I'm sure people that haven't played it before find it difficult to get into, but I think it is still ridiculously fun and has a dungeon crawling style not seen again in that genre

[Anonymous No.3822734]

>>3822472

I played it (and beat it) for the first time last summer., I had a blast, so I'd say it's held up well. didn't know about the re-translation hack when I played it.

[Anonymous No.3822752]

>>3822472
Better than the sequel

[Anonymous No.3822853]

>>3822472
it's not bad but the ps2 remake was better

[Anonymous No.3822861]

I've been playing the GBA port.

As someone without nostalgia goggles on tight I can say that it's entertaining and not the least complex of other RPGs released within a few years of it.

[Anonymous No.3822915]

>>3822513
Don't worry. It's one of those fun wars.

[Anonymous No.3822942]

>>3822861
how is the GBA port?

[Anonymous No.3822970]

>>3822472
I attempted to play recently and couldn't figure out what to do. I walked in to some woods and got in to a battle and killed in one hit.

[Anonymous No.3822974]

>>3822942
It's shite.

>no FM synth music, lower resolution

[Anonymous No.3822976]

>>3822472
The beginning of the game is really grindy, but outside of that it's pretty good.

[Anonymous No.3823096]

>>3822472
If it were possible for games to age I would have to argue that Phantasy Star did it better than any 16-bit game that tried first person dungeons.

[Anonymous No.3823162]

>>3822472

I was just thinking about this game the other day... you know, if you compare it to the other console RPGs around at the time, it's actually pretty good. 1987 was a good year for RPGs.

>Phantasy Star
>Final Fantasy
>Dragon Quest 2
>etc

"Holds up" means different things to different people. I think it still plays well. Compare it to, say, Wizardry, which was also great for its time but is a pain in the ass to play nowadays unless you have the SFC/PSX ports somehow.

[Anonymous No.3823274]

I played it again last year for the first time in 25 years or so. It's a fun game. The 3D dungeons invite comparison to more complex dungeon-focused games like Wizardry or Bard's Tale, but PS is a jack-of-all-trades RPG like DQ or FF, so no single element of it is super deep, just a bunch of elements combined to make a big adventure. I'd say it's on par with DQ2 and FF1.

[Anonymous No.3823278]

>>3822472
I'm a Nintendo fanboy and I'll say that despite the tedious grinding, the game is fun and the 3D-ish animations during the dungeon crawling areas were very well made.

Also, Myau was boss.

[Anonymous No.3823282]

>>3823096
I never played this before. Wow. This is so cool.

[Anonymous No.3823285]

Fuck no.

All the Phantasy Star games were superfluous slogs that have no reason to exist. Even IV.

[Anonymous No.3823293]

>>3823278
>>3823285
>tedious
>slog
I feel that way about every rpg ever. You may as well say, "what's the point of rpgs? They're just pointless wastes of time."

[Anonymous No.3823294]

>>3822472
It's kind of a pain to play nowadays, but its very impressive for its time. I'm still amazed by how good the battles look on the overworld. Most of my gripes come with navigating first-person dungeons without a map, always had trouble with that sort of thing.

I'd still say it's a fun game, though. I was at least able to pull through and complete it, and that isn't something I could say for II.

[Anonymous No.3823298]

>>3822472
Nope.
>no map
>beyond excessive grinding
>antiquated menus

[Anonymous No.3823305]

>>3823293
You really, really feel it with the Phantasy Star games though, in my experience. I felt myself going mad when playing through PSII, it was so tedious. If they didn't have god-tier design I wouldn't have even bothered with them.

[Anonymous No.3823362]

>>3822472
Meh. Depends if you don't mind making paper maps or have a really good memory for that kind of stuff.

I really like PSIV though. That aged super well.

[Anonymous No.3823376]

>>3822942
It's awful. PS1 has a save corrupting bug that can happen if you save when the music loops, and PS2/3 have downgraded graphics and sound. And PS4 isn't there at all.

[Anonymous No.3823382]

1 is my favorite PS game. It just has such a charming JRPG-meets-WRPG feel that I think was lost in the sequels. Not that PSIV isn't brilliant it's just a lot more similar to other JRPGs of the time.

[Anonymous No.3823410]

>>3822472
Oh yes.

I played Phantasy Star for the first time a few years ago.

I didn't use any FAQS or guides besides the instruction booklet. I used graph paper to map the trickier the dungeons.

I had a blast!

[Anonymous No.3823431]

>>3822472
I have a confession /vr/...
I think that PS3 is more fun than PS2

[Anonymous No.3823451]

>>3822472
I seem to be of the unpopular opinion that it hasn't aged well. That said I try to look at things contextually given the time the game came out. Though it looks outstanding visually given it's release date, and despite having an impressive range of equipment and enemies (animated at that) for it's time, there are some fundamental problems that make playing for the first time a tedious endeavor given modern expectations.

It starts off slow with a grindy opening, it has a cumbersome and unintuitive menu system, the game is composed of long drawn out fetch quest, constant money farming, little gameplay verity, ugly artstyle, and an unimaginative fantasy/scifi mix-mash setting

That said the first person dungeons were unique and made for paper and pencil maps. You should also look up an online version of the game's manual as it has overworld maps and hints that are needed to beat it.

As it stands now, Final Fantasy is easier to revisit

[Anonymous No.3823465]

>>3823451
>Choosing Fingal Fantasy over Phantasy Star

Eat shit and die you fucking pleb.

[Anonymous No.3823745]

>>3823362
>paper maps
I used the android PS1 mapping app last time I played it

[Anonymous No.3823768]

>>3823745
So does it reveals the map as the progress through the dungeons or is it literally just a pre-made map of the dungeon?

[Anonymous No.3823773]

>>3823431
You are literally Hitler!

[Anonymous No.3823775]

>>3823768
It's a manual mapping tool

[Anonymous No.3823865]

>>3823745
I don't get the need for maps that everyone seems to display when talking about this game. It's more fun to rely on intuition and your sense of direction. Getting lost and then realising 'Aha! I know where I am!' is what makes this stuff fun.

[Anonymous No.3824029]

What about the PS2 version of Phantasy Star 1 (with english patch)?
Never played the original, but I saw this thing and was wondering which I should play.

[Anonymous No.3824074]

>>3824029
I played it (without the English patch though) but I don't think the changes were for the better.

The Phantasy Star Collection on the PS2 did a better job but the English version on there is the original SMS release and can't have the FM sound of the Mk3 version.

[Anonymous No.3824979]

It holds well. Beaten it last month, still had a blast. Obviously, you need to treat it as a game of its time and work with it instead of throwing a tantrum because "no automaps waahhh". Get some paper, draw your own maps and you'll have fun

>>3824029

The remake (at least for PS1 which was the only i had the stomach to try) is horrid. Seriously disgusting. Stay away, far far away from it.

[Anonymous No.3824985]

>>3822472
Awesome game.

Graphics and gameplay are vastly Superior to Final Fantasy

[Anonymous No.3824996]

>>3823431
I want to marry Mieu

[Anonymous No.3825001]

This was the very first jrpg I ever played.

I'll always have a softspot for it. Fantastic game.

[Anonymous No.3825153]

>>3824996
>>3823431
Fun Fact: Mieu is a "fully functioning" cyborg.
In addition to being the body guard for the Royal children she also acted as their wet nurse.

[Anonymous No.3825262]

>>3825153
>MOMMY! BABY HUNGRY! BABY WANT MILK!!!

[Anonymous No.3825365]

>Wanted play PS1 on my PSP
>FM sound don't work
Oh well.

[Anonymous No.3825497]

>>3825153
That's right. I think it was Toyo Ozaki (I think) who penned the weird PS3 manga that explored this.

[Anonymous No.3825530]

What's everyone's opinion on Phantasy Star 3? Is it worth playing?

[Anonymous No.3825534]

>>3825497
I miss this art style.

[Anonymous No.3825536]

>>3825530
Yes

[Anonymous No.3825540]

>>3825530
No

[Anonymous No.3825549]

>>3824029
Not even the same game. Too different to be called a remake, more like a reboot. It has no reason to exist, ignore it and play the real game.

[Anonymous No.3825557]

>>3825530
For fans of the franchise. Like if you feel ' I want more Phantasy Star and I don't care if it's a little different!', sure.

[Anonymous No.3826014]

>played it on Wii last summer
>loved it
>had to stop because bike accident
>load the save few months after
>don't remember what I was supposed to do, only remember i was grinding

I was in the snow land with the city you access through some passage
It just killed my motivation, using a solution would feel so wrong.

[Anonymous No.3826059]

>>3826014
Ask around with the NPCS. They always have hints.

If probably need to enter a dungeon of some sort and retrieve and item of some sort.

Just a hunch...

[Anonymous No.3826061]

>>3824979
Generation 2 may be a better choice because 2 was more flawed to begin with. It doesn't fix the game though.

[Anonymous No.3826062]

>>3826014 #
Ask around with the NPCS. They always have hints.

You probably need to enter a dungeon of some sort and retrieve an item of some sort.

Just a hunch...

[Anonymous No.3826187]

>>3822853
>but the ps2 remake was better

eeeeeeh, not really. Outside Alis's fun faces it really didn't add or improve on much and for its time is honestly worse looking than the original was of its

I fucking love these faces though

[Anonymous No.3826746]

>>3825530
Maybe

[Anonymous No.3826794]

>>3823305
PSII is ridiculously tedious. I think PSI is on par with what was standard for 8-bit RPGs, and PSIV is on par with SNES 16-bit RPGs, though.

[Anonymous No.3826893]

>>3826794
>I think PSI is on par with what was standard for 8-bit RPGs

You thought wrong. Phantasy Star I is one of the best looking 8-bit games ever made.

It's already been stated is this thread but it bears repeating.

[Anonymous No.3826923]

>>3822480
>convenience hack
Whats this?

[Anonymous No.3827716]

>>3826923
>convenience hack

It adds a foot rest and a cup-holder.

[Anonymous No.3828475]

>>3826014
Start again, relive the journey! It's not like it will even take you long.

[Anonymous No.3828487]

>>3827716
So I can enjoy a blood clot with my retro RPG? No, thanks.

>>3826893
Damn straight m8. Phantasy Star looks better than many 16-bit RPGs even, including two of it's own sequels. Fuck, I played a Japanese Wizardry game on PS3 (PLAY STATION THREE) that didn't even have animated monsters. This 1987 game has, without a doubt, better graphical presentation than many current decade releases in the genre!

[Anonymous No.3828590]

>>3822626
I haven't played it but I'd like to try.

[Anonymous No.3828593]

>>3828487
Bard's Tale did animated monsters in 85.

[Anonymous No.3828646]

>>3826062
I will try that again, I don't remember reading anything that could be a hint but maybe I just missed it.

>>3828475
It is an option, but I'd prefer continue this one. The first run is, in my opinion, the one you'll remember everytime you'll talk about the game. And I don't want to forget some epic battle because I didn't bought any medicine.

[Anonymous No.3828689]

>>3823745
speaking of which I was actually playing this a couple of days ago before this thread funnily enough. Is there any good mapping program/website i should use? I was just using some virtual graph website. I dont have an android phone.

[Anonymous No.3828909]

>>3826893
Oh yes, I agree with you there. I meant it's on par with other 8 bit RPGs in terms of tedium and grinding, in response to the other guy complaining about how tedious Phantasy Star is.

[Anonymous No.3828952]

>>3822472
Played it for the first time last year. Had a blast. I'd say it aged well for an 8 bit rpg. It was a bit rough to play at the start but I really enjoyed the experience.

[Anonymous No.3828978]

Should I play PSII or go straight to PSIV? PSII just looks so bad in comparison to the first one, much more powerful console and no backgrounds... Was the game rushed or something? Or different team like the 3rd? Was it the lack of Kodama as "Total Design"/Director?

[Anonymous No.3828989]

>>3822472
It's a good game if you want a RPG that doesn't old your hand as there is quite a bit of exploration.
Great visuals for an 8-bit game and catchy music.

>>3823298
I'll moderate those points a bit:

>no map
If you mean overworld, the printed manual includes maps of the 3 planets.

If you mean dungeons, graph paper or >>3823745 are part of the fun.

>beyond excessive grinding
There is a bit of grinding when you're alone as Alis, but once you get to your first companion it goes smoothly.

>antiquated menus
I can't fight this, though.

[Anonymous No.3829035]

>>3828978
Play it so you can experience the dungeons. Even the very first one you have to go through has four levels that requires you to backtrack through it after you get to the top.

[Anonymous No.3829060]

>>3829035
>play it to experience the worst part of the game

[Anonymous No.3829135]

>>3826893
>PS1 has better enemy sprite animations than PS2 & PS3

Really activates my almonds.

[Anonymous No.3829158]

>>3828978
I love the characters, setting, and story of PS2.

Having said that; PS2 is the grindiest goddamn JRPG that I have ever played.

The dungeons? Ever played pokemon? Image if every dungeon in a game was like a more complicated version of the he Sulphur Co. Building.

PS2 has the best story of any PS game and the worst gameplay. Playing through one time was enough for me.

[Anonymous No.3829161]

>>3829158
>Sulphur Co

Meant Silph. Co.

[Anonymous No.3829164]

>>3829158
Why couldn't Generation 2 fix those fucking dungeons?
They could at least have added an automap because manually mapping them is practically impossible due to lack of scale.

[Anonymous No.3829179]

>>3829164
You move much faster and you can move diagonally. Also mapping dungeons in PS2 is better done with a list of instructions rather than an actual map.

[Anonymous No.3831123]

>>3822472
was this on genesis too

[Anonymous No.3831543]

>>3822472
I first played it eight years ago and thought it was the best PS game.

[Anonymous No.3831549]

>>3831123
PS1 was released as a MD cartridge in Japan but it's just the Mk3 game just like you'd get with the Mega Adapter.

[Anonymous No.3831562]

>>3829135

thanks for the unexpected kek

[Anonymous No.3831567]

>>3822472
An amazing game but Odin always disappoints me.

[Anonymous No.3831995]

>>3822626
What is SMT?

[Anonymous No.3832045]

I don't think so. Modern games have better graphics and gameplay.
>>3828978
Yes, it's a good game

[Anonymous No.3832143]

>>3831562
You think this is funny?

You think this is a joke?

Does this enemy attack animation not make you tremble in fear?

[Anonymous No.3832302]

>>3831995
Sin Megami Tensei

[Anonymous No.3832308]

>>3832302
He was doing the jeopardy meme, newfriend.

[Anonymous No.3832484]

>>3828978
Go straight to PSIV

PSI could be a bit insufferable, but it's good on the whole.

PSII is pretty much completely irredeemable as a game. Awful dungeons, mechanics, grindy as hell, and actually feels like a step down from the first game.

Just go straight to PSIV, it's a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.3832501]

>>3832484
This is good advice.
Anyone new to the Phantasy Star series should start with IV.

It combines all of the best features of the previous games...
>PSI: Animation, graphics, cuts scenes
>PSII: Story, setting, characters
>PSIII: Battle mechanics, Epic scope
...into a single amazing game.

If you enjoy IV and want to play in the Algo star system some more you can always tackle the other games.

[Anonymous No.3832508]

>>3832484
Grindy? PS2 is easy.

Or are you one of those people who don't know that the Amber Robe and Crescent Gear cast Gires for free?

[Anonymous No.3832509]

>>3832501
>Anyone new to the Phantasy Star series should start with IV.
Wrong

PSI is a perfect starting point. It lays you down the basics of Phantasy Star while being a good and standard JRPG. From there you can progress to the other games in the series according to your tastes (or your patience)

also PSIV plot suck dicks

[Anonymous No.3832523]

>>3829060
The dungeons are definitely the best part of the game, though they would certainly be more enjoyable if the random encounter rate was lower.

>>3832508
You don't have access to those at the beginning of the game, and that's the grindy portion.

[Anonymous No.3833172]

Great game!

[Anonymous No.3833181]

>>3832523
>grindy portion
If you know what you're doing PS2 is about as much of a grind as PS1 at the start

[Anonymous No.3833206]

>>3828689
so check it out:
you grab a notebook
and a pen
and you draw the maps
I know, mindblowing

[Anonymous No.3833209]

>>3833206
what's a notebooks and pens?

[Anonymous No.3833248]

>>3833209
Google it.

[Anonymous No.3833262]

>>3833248
ok i did but there was no download link

[Anonymous No.3833321]

>>3832523
Why are they the best?

[Anonymous No.3833675]

>>3833321
Not him, but I liked how they're labyrinthine and urge you to navigate prudently. However, I hated that most of the chests contained lousy consumables or outdated equipment. I stopped playing after Climatrol.

[Anonymous No.3834193]

>>3833675
That's a good place to stop.
The four dams are even worse.

I really had to slog my way through most of PS2 in order to beat it.

[Anonymous No.3834204]

>>3833675
>I like the dungeons of PS2!
>I only played through the first segment of the game

Then you don't know shit, do you?

[Anonymous No.3834218]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwMWrRXL2IQ

[Anonymous No.3834260]

>>3834204
I said not him you doofus.

[Anonymous No.3834532]

Will I like the rest of the series if I'm interested in positively portrayed female characters? PS1 was great in that regard.

[Anonymous No.3834640]

>>3834532
Yes. Important female characters are featured throughout.

One of the creator's of Phantasy star is a woman, Reiko Kodama.

[Anonymous No.3835073]

>>3834640
>creator's of Phantasy star is a woman
>pic of jap dude
lmao

[Anonymous No.3835117]

>>3834204
I'll be dam'd, that dam is nothing god dam it.

This is where the fun begins!
And by fun I mean, just give up and look up the solution online even if you do the rest of the game blind because fuck this dungeon.

[Anonymous No.3835237]

>>3834640
>Rieko Kodama
>game designer and writer involved in designing many Sega classics, ranging from Alex Kidd and Shinobi to Sonic the Hedgehog. She is considered one of the most influential RPG designers in particular, for creating the Phantasy Star series as well as producing Skies of Arcadia.

[Anonymous No.3835258]

>>3825001
Same. Played it in Jr High when it was released, Still extremely fond of it.

[Anonymous No.3835373]

>>3834640
I know, but she's only designer in PS2 I think, and she was only mentioned in "special thanks" for PS3. I want to know how those compare.

[Anonymous No.3835580]

>>3822472
Excellent title!

[Anonymous No.3836397]

Good game.

[Anonymous No.3836587]

>>3835373
Kodama's fallen into a producer role over time (right around Eternal Arcadia), but she had a lasting impact on the main Phantasy Star games up through IV.

https://segaretro.org/Rieko_Kodama

You can see how much more she did for PSIV vs. PSIII, for example.

[Anonymous No.3836664]

>>3836587
Anon, you're being great, thank you really, but as I said, I know what she did.
I just want to know if in the games where she didn't do much, the female characters still hold up.

[Anonymous No.3836793]

>>3834640
On the 360 version of Sega's greatest hits, you can unlock an interview with her. Or you can go watch it on youtube. It's a few mins long, and goes in depth. She also worked on Alex Kidd, and some other games. NOW YOU KNOW. She was on PS4 too because she goes into detail on that one too.

[Anonymous No.3836802]

>>3835237
and she's a good christian gal too.
in love/10

[Anonymous No.3836878]

>>3832509
I played PSIV first and loved it. I don't know what you are talking about...

[Anonymous No.3837367]

Alys is mai waifu!

[Anonymous No.3837386]

>>3822915
Oh yeah. NES vs. SMS. A fun console war.

[Anonymous No.3837452]

>>3822472
Yeah, I enjoyed it. Phantasy Star II "aged" a lot worse.

[Anonymous No.3837681]

>>3837452
>PS2 has no aged well.

I'm coming to terms with that myself.

Everyone used to shit on PS3 as being the worst in the series.

Due to nostalgia goggles I always thought that PS2 was one of the better Phantasy Stars.

Recently I played through PS3 for the first time and I really enjoyed it. After I got all of the endings I played through a bit of each other PS game.

I found that my opinion had changed...

PS2 is the weakest Phantasy Star game!

The clunky gameplay and mind numbing lyrics long and complicated dungeons. I can't at and them anymore!

[Anonymous No.3838028]

>>3822861
The GBA post is not good?

[Anonymous No.3838501]

>>3838028
It's cool to have PS 1, 2, & 3 on a single cart.
But the graphics are really downgraded.

[Anonymous No.3839123]

>>3837681
>lyrics
Ay?

[Anonymous No.3839132]

>>3833209
Use dirt and a stick. Might be a little messy, but thats how we did it as kids!

Watch out though, you can easily messup the dirt mapping program by sneezing or walking. Better yet, just use concrete mix to make your maps. then in 100 years when the apocalypse happens, your great great grandchildren will still be able to use them!

[Anonymous No.3839146]

>>3839132
>then in 100 years when the apocalypse happens
Aren't we the optimist.

[Anonymous No.3839343]

>>3839123
>lyrics
Auto-replace is a bitch.

>>3837681
Meant...
>mind numbingly long

[Anonymous No.3839765]

>>3823162
>dragon quest
aka the reason why HxH is taking years

[Anonymous No.3840641]

PS4 > PS1 > PS2 Text Adventures PS3 >PS2

[Anonymous No.3840649]

>>3840641
What about the GG games?

[Anonymous No.3840662]

PS4 > PS2 Text Adventures > PS1 > PS3 > PS Adventure > PS2 > PS Gaiden

[Anonymous No.3841156]

>>3840662
Patrician taste.

[Anonymous No.3841571]

>>3840662
Are the Phantasy Star II: Text Adventures worth playing?

[Anonymous No.3841754]

>>3841571
If you like text adventures in general, and you want more backstory on all the characters in PSII, definitely. The combat system is a little swingy, but it's usually not too bad.

Some of them have typical text-adventure moon logic. Most of them are depressing as hell, and some of the writing doesn't fit in with PS2's Mota (wasteland vs lush farmland), but they're reasonably well-written. At least play Shir's, even if you don't do the others - hers is a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.3841756]

>>3835117
The game had a strategy book included with all maps though.

[Anonymous No.3841821]

Did they really fuck up the sequels that bad? I only ever played the original on the Sega Mega Drive collection on Xbox and never got around to them. I was thinking it was cool having better ones to eventually get to since I enjoyed the original so much. I can't really imagine how they could have made it worse. The first is so amazingly solid. I even made paper maps and everything I was so into it.

[Anonymous No.3841823]

>>3841821
2 and 3 are pretty fucking bad

shame because 2 is cool from a story perspective

[Anonymous No.3841828]

>>3841823
>pretty fucking bad
Disappointing I could understand, but did they really manage to make legitimately bad games out of Phantasy Star? What went wrong? Are they worth a go using guides to make it quicker or anything? Is there any fun to be had?

[Anonymous No.3841830]

>>3841828
2 suffered from a rushed release because it was a launch title while 3 just had its budget slashed halfway through development, also has none of the staff from the previous games working on it

phantasy star 2 is just the same shit the WHOLE game, and it's almost impossible to map the dungeons since everything looks the same and it's not first person anymore

[Anonymous No.3841839]

>>3841830
>it's not first person anymore
What? What did they do? Are dungeons navigated top-down? It's not even really a dungeon-crawler if you aren't in first-person.

On a sort of related note. Is there significant crossover between the Phantasy Star and King's Field fanbases. I just started the first King's Field and it's pretty great.

[Anonymous No.3841843]

>>3841839
yes, it's navigated from a top down perspective and EVERYTHING looks the same

they're giant teleporter filled mazes that are impossible to map

[Anonymous No.3841856]

I'm surprised to see PS2 being called bad these days. I had a great time with 2.
Only one I was disappointed with was 3 but everyone was disappointed with 3.

[Anonymous No.3841874]

>>3841843
also i don't know if they did it on purpose to fuck with players, but the camera is awful

for the screen to actually scroll you need to be on the EDGE of the screen, so you don't see dead ends until it's too late

[Anonymous No.3841934]

>>3841856
It's just not easy to go back to. Dungeon/labrynth design was crap. The story still holds up okay though. Nowadays I can't play 2 or 3, I just do 1 and 4.

[Anonymous No.3841936]

>>3841843
Those "teleporters" are elevators, dude.

[Anonymous No.3841981]

Any romhack I should use to go through PSII? Or play the Sega generations version?

[Anonymous No.3841982]

>>3841981
The remake is very faithful to the original except for the new mechanics, but you can completely ignore them. It also has faster movement and 8-directional movement.

Phantasy Star 2 is a really slow game in just about every aspect.

[Anonymous No.3842185]

>>3841571
Yes.

[Anonymous No.3842934]

>>3841982
Very slow.

[Anonymous No.3843284]

>>3841756
Not in my country it didn't.

[Anonymous No.3843286]

>>3841571
USE SHOTGUN ON WATERFALL

[Anonymous No.3843351]

>>3843286
Miraculously I figured that bit out. Not through logic or inuition, just from using ever item on the waterfall.

For me the sticking point was...

>TOSS TOADSTOOL INTO POND!

I was stuck right at the end of Rudger's Adventure for a year.
I had all of the items, except for the key to the final boss fight.
I assumed that it was hidden somewherw in the Esper Maze.
I finally looked up the answer online and face-palmed so hard.

I still love the PS2 text adventures, but Rudger's was plagued with the most adventure game logic bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3843907]

>>3843351
Which is the best PS2 Text adventure?

[Anonymous No.3843926]

>>3822472
Nope shit like all of them except 4.

[Anonymous No.3844416]

>>3843907
Shilka's Adventure is a fun bit of fluff that doesn't really have anything to do with the plot of PS2 (just like Shilka herself).

My favorite, however, is Anne's Adventure.

Some people have commented that the text adventures get events out of order. They're mistake. Each adventure takes place a few years apart and in different places around Motavia.

Each adventure deals with adventurendrpund different aspect of Mother Brain's Malfunctioning too.

I would reccomend playing through all of them. They're pretty short.

[Anonymous No.3844435]

>>3844416
Why didn't they write 移動する and 捨てる?

[Anonymous No.3844446]

>>3822861
Be wary of the save file corruption bug. I got most of the way through the game on my GBA and lost my file

[Anonymous No.3845000]

>>3844435
Trying to make it easier for kids probably.

[Anonymous No.3845041]

>>3845000
You're right. 捨 is grade 6 and 移 is grade 5 while the rest is 4 or less.

[Anonymous No.3845532]

>>3844446
Solution: never play the gba port.

[Anonymous No.3846321]

>>3822472
I'd like to play this now

[Anonymous No.3846923]

Sorry I have no idea, can anyone point which one are the differences between shining saga and phantasy star saga?

gameplay? set? turn based? action?

[Anonymous No.3846927]

>aged
STOP THIS FUCKING MEME

[Anonymous No.3847013]

the PSII dungeons were just sadistic..

I'm surprised at myself for bothering to clear the game back in the 90s

[Anonymous No.3847616]

>>3846321
Play it then! But it's dangerous (for your ears) to play the 87 translation, take this.

http://www.smspower.org/Translations/PhantasyStar-SMS-EN?sid=0eda5fe3fbe8dbcaf2b12487f3be81fa

[Anonymous No.3847701]

>>3846321
You may.

[Anonymous No.3848227]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttM2weLt_0w

I still listen to it sometimes

[Anonymous No.3848437]

>>3848227
Noice!

[Anonymous No.3849106]

>>3848227
Love that music.

[Anonymous No.3849146]

>>3848227
Really like this remix of Phantasy Star II's overworld track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNpHhQUo9Ow

[Anonymous No.3849467]

>>3849146
why did both generation games butcher the music and art so badly

fucking sega

[Anonymous No.3849501]

Never played this before. It's good?

[Anonymous No.3849945]

>>3849501
no its shit
thats why there has been a thread about it for 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.3850437]

>>3849467
I can only thing that I can think of is because they hate Phantasy Star and want to make PS fans suffer.

[Anonymous No.3850484]

>>3850437
>Alis is COCKY
>Alis is NUTS

It's a subtle metaphor revealing that Alys is a futa.

[Anonymous No.3850486]

>>3850484
>Alis has a sword
>Sword = Penis

[Anonymous No.3850521]

>>3832501
The giant robot arm the catgirl has is so damn cool.
Please tell me that's a thing in the game.

[Anonymous No.3850562]

>>3850521
It's a worn weapon, not a prosthetic arm. Also she's a space elf and not a catgirl, although she has "feline features".

[Anonymous No.3850586]

>>3850562
>not a cat girl

It is HEAVILY IMPLIED that Neil and other Numen are Palman/Muskcat hybrids.
Examples...

>1) Nei is said to be created from the Biomonster facility, and a mixture of human and biomonster DNA.

>2) In the PS Text game Nei's Adventure, Nei interacts with muskcats and seems to have a special bond with them. They owner of the cats even makes a comment about it.

>3) In PS2 there are biomonsters enemies that resemble cat women Could they be more beastial versions of Nei/Neifirst?

[Anonymous No.3850589]

>>3850486
>>3850484
Like pottery

[Anonymous No.3851737]

Fuck Huey.

[Anonymous No.3851776]

>>3850586
Yeah, I don't buy it. Besides, Nei and Rika aren't even the same species. Nei was a biomonster-human hybird accidentally created by a power surge who had an expected life span of 2 years, Rika/Fal (the only one referred to as a Numan) was an intentional creation, a long-lived superhuman designed to breed with Palmans and create a master race suited to inhabit Motavia.

[Anonymous No.3852227]

>>3851776
>Rika/Fal (the only one referred to as a Numan) was an intentional creation, a long-lived superhuman designed to breed with Palmans and create a master race suited to inhabit Motavia.
Which, if you bothered to read the dialogue upon recruiting/meeting Rika, was 'the result of improvement on a prototype'(not exact words, but the gist).
Gee, I wonder who that prototype was?

[Anonymous No.3852328]

>>3832484

I agree with this generally... all RPGs have tedious parts but PSII doesn't even try to hide it.

PSIII is ok but feels unfinished to me.

PSI and PSIV are both very good games though, and should be in the old-school RPG enthusiast's portfolio.

[Anonymous No.3852338]

>>3822472
Yes, very much so.

[Anonymous No.3852730]

>>3851737
That cloning facility always creeped me out.
The ethical implications alone...

[Anonymous No.3853067]

>>3852730

Makes more sense than going to the space church and having the space priest revive your friends.

[Anonymous No.3853260]

>>3853067
Hey!
Don't insult my space-religion!

[Anonymous No.3853805]

>>3853067
>>3853260
i always liked the idea of mother brain somehow suppressing algo's religion to make its inhabitants even more complacent

[Anonymous No.3853817]

>>3825530
I don't know

[Anonymous No.3854015]

>>3852227
Sure wasn't the accidental humanoid biomonster shat out by a power surge.

[Anonymous No.3854162]

>>3853805
>thinking that less religion makes people more complacent

Because religions hold free-thinking in high regard, don't they?

[Anonymous No.3854506]

>>3854162
Godless life is like slavery

[Anonymous No.3854532]

>>3854506
Religion is the opiate of the masses.

[Anonymous No.3854554]

>>3854532
Slave to your vices

[Anonymous No.3855025]

Are the Phantasy Star games on GameGear worth playing?

[Anonymous No.3855613]

>>3855025
The text adventure game is short but fun.

The traditional JRPG one is pretty lame.
It tally doesn't even feel like a PS game, besides for a few names.

[Anonymous No.3855684]

>>3822472
>Has it aged well?

Absolutely

[Anonymous No.3855738]

>>3835117
I can't remember this dungeon very well. I think was I drinking when I did this one, and was drunk by the time I finished it. Just like the Green Dam.

[Anonymous No.3855776]

>>3834640
And no one cares because she didn't work for Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.3855780]

>>3855776
I do!

[Anonymous No.3855785]

>>3822472
Aged better than PSII and PSIII imo.

[Anonymous No.3855793]

>>3855785
>imo
That's basically a fact.

[Anonymous No.3856061]

>>3854015
Neifirst wasn't 'shat out' by a power surge...the power surge came because of her shenanigans(maybe even her death...or was that just the release of the water tanks/whatever the fuck?).
Face it...Nei(first) and Rika are genetically related.

[Anonymous No.3856093]

>>3825497
My moon runes isn't that great but:

"Good then, looks like everyone is in agreement."

"Yeah... looks that way."

"I..."

"probably don't need to worry."

"huh"

"Shen-sama...?"

(Art is cool by-the-way.)

[Anonymous No.3857846]

;.,sknlslkhhoifppijhsr

[Anonymous No.3857884]

>>3822472
yes, phantasy star series is always fun. Do the GC servers still work? Im sure theres custom servers anyway

[Anonymous No.3858304]

So PS4 is the best?

[Anonymous No.3858797]

>>3858304
Basically.

[Anonymous No.3859438]

>>3823451
No one will ever love you.

[Anonymous No.3859473]

Great game!

[Anonymous No.3859515]

>Dragon Quest
>Move character
>Camera keeps the character in the center focus on the screen, allowing you to see your surroundings equally.
>This keeps exploration fun

>Phantasy Star 2
>Camera only follows the player when they move enough to a direction similar to a platformer game
>This makes exploring dungeons a hassle

[Anonymous No.3859629]

>>3859515
i dont understand why they did this when even phantasy star 1 had the older style of scrolling in the overworld

[Anonymous No.3859660]

>>3823451

Hey, friend. Why don't you take a break and head outside.

[Anonymous No.3860530]

I need to play this again.

[Anonymous No.3860547]

>>3838501
Is the flickering a thing if you play it on a GBA instead of an emulator?

I never could find a copy of that when it came out.

[Anonymous No.3860574]

>>3852730
It's no worse than Star Trek transporters.

[Anonymous No.3860829]

>>3822472
I've always wanted to play this game. Maybe I'll get to it someday.

[Anonymous No.3860847]

>>3860829
You won't.

[Anonymous No.3860973]

>tfw Phantasy Star used to be a good serious before it became a billion hour grind cash shop barbie dress-up pseudo-mmo not a game

[Anonymous No.3860989]

>>3860847
Not unless that day is TODAY.
>>3860829
DO IT CUNT
Here's the link you need >>3847616 WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT YET?

[Anonymous No.3861013]

Any idea why didn't get PSV on the Saturn?

[Anonymous No.3861020]

>>3861013
Sega was focused on Sakura Taisen.

[Anonymous No.3861527]

>>3861020
Heh, I sworn years ago that there's was a brief mention of PSV back in the Phantasy Star condemium. Given the Saturn was a great system for the Japanesse market it always crossed me how Sega never attempted to revisited Phantasy Star besides giving in an compilation.

I really question what really went behind the scenes, honesty.

[Anonymous No.3861615]

>>3861013
I think the general consensus is that IV wrapped up the series really well, and Sega didn't see the point in making more Phantasy Star games; the driving force behind the series is gone after PD is killed, after all.

I personally would've liked to see something between PSII and PSIII - a game set on Alisa III during the war between Laya and Orakio, or maybe one on Mota after Mother Brain is destroyed.

[Anonymous No.3861653]

>>3860973
>the thread has gone weeks without bringing up PSO

Why'd you have to mention that crap?

[Anonymous No.3862486]

>>3861615
True, although I feel like the original Phantasy Star series was hitting its peak at IV. It would made somewhat sense from a business perspective to continue the series while it was getting momentum during that time.

But, alas it got overshadowed by Final Fantasy and now people don't know or even remember that important character deaths in RPGs can be traced back to PS among other acomplishments.

Heck, it could even spawned an 90's anime if Sega's management and marketing was a bit more organized at that the time.

[Anonymous No.3862697]

>>3862486
Final Fantasy 2 came out several months before Phantasy Star 2, so it's not like Sega won the character-killing race.

[Anonymous No.3863102]

>>3861653
Muh grindan gaems!

[Anonymous No.3863604]

Nei iz mai waifu!

[Anonymous No.3863748]

>>3822472
I'd say so

[Anonymous No.3863752]

>>3863102
u don't liek teh grindan gaems?

[Anonymous No.3864265]

>>3863752
Not particularly, no.

[Anonymous No.3864809]

>>3862697
I don't even remember who died in FF2. If I can't remember it then it can't be memorable. Got ya there, m8! But really, it's about killing them _well_.

[Anonymous No.3865337]

>>3864809
This.

Nei's heroic selfzsacrifice was an important moment of foreshadowing...
for the sacrifice the entire party made, in the end, to save the Algo system

[Anonymous No.3866252]

>>3865337
Spoilers!

[Anonymous No.3866265]

>>3864809
The plot twist comes out of nowhere after 5 hours of not even as much as a suspicion of any character development and/or its existence on Nei's part. Her chucklefuck friends just stand and watch her get slaughtered by a minor antagonist with little story relevance, who hacked the bigger antagonist to do the exact same thing that antagonist had already been doing the entire time, then all cloning facilities immediately stop working on half-humans, and then everybody goes digging through multiple dungeons for a whole heap of ancient magical artifacts that belonged to and bear the name of a genetic mistake that had only existed for a few years and who is never mentioned again.

It might be memorable for how incredibly forced it is, but even Mega Man did its tragic deaths better. The only way it can even be defended is if Sega saw the reception Final Fantasy 2 received, and had to make "tragic death" a bullet point requirement halfway into the game's development.

[Anonymous No.3866563]

>>3866265
FF-Fags are the worst.

[Anonymous No.3867541]

>>3822472

Better than FF1, but that isn't a high bar.

[Anonymous No.3867581]

>>3822752

THIS.

>have amazing vaporwave Boss theme
>Only 4 bosses, one of which is a cutscene and two of which are in the same dungeon

SAD!

[Anonymous No.3867638]

>>3867581
how is the boss theme vaporwave

what the fuck

[Anonymous No.3867845]

>>3867638

Play that shit on 0.5 and get back to me senpai.

[Anonymous No.3868375]

>game has cloning device nearly every other town
>but it couldn't be used on Alys or Nei because reasons
Other than that, I liked the games. Money cheat eliminates any need for grind. As a matter of fact, I feel like giving it a go again this weekend.

[Anonymous No.3868476]

Absolutely. It objectively stands as the greatest 8-bit JRPG ever created

[Anonymous No.3868541]

>>3868476
Maybe turn-based. Otherwise it's Xanadu.

[Anonymous No.3868689]

>>3868476
*on Master System

[Anonymous No.3868734]

>>3868375
Money cheat?

[Anonymous No.3868736]

>>3822472
Video games don't age. You do.

[Anonymous No.3868761]

>>3868375
gameplay contrivance =/= story

You have serious autism if you can't separate the two. If there really was a church that resurrected the dead in Algo system, then why didn't Alys just resurrect her brother instead of going on a quest for vengeance? Why not bitch about the fact colas and burger heal health while you're at it?

[Anonymous No.3869326]

>>3868761
Naw man. They covered that in PS2.

Nei willed herself to never be resurrected from the cloning facility.

The lives of Neifirst and Nei were intertwined, so if one wad ressurrected both would be.

[Anonymous No.3869339]

>>3869326
Except the Clone Lab Grandma outright said that they cannot resurrect non-humans which contradicts the rest of the game. Honestly it would've made more sense if the Grandma said that the DNA profile had been erased at some point. Say by Neifirst to make sure that Nei stayed dead.

>>3868761
Alis is the PS1 protagonist, Alys is the PS4 character.

[Anonymous No.3869352]

>>3869326
Have a higher res, anon

[Anonymous No.3869362]

>>3869339
>Honestly it would've made more sense if the Grandma said that the DNA profile had been erased at some point. Say by Neifirst to make sure that Nei stayed dead.
That's a result of the translation being shit. Nei's biomonster DNA profile was stored in Climatrol, and after it was blown up it took her profile with it, so you're mostly right.

[Anonymous No.3869674]

>>3822472
2 and 3 haven't

but 1 and 4 are timeless classics

[Anonymous No.3869680]

>>3847013
it was a different time

back then games were supposed to last you months

you weren't expected to breeze through a dungeon in a few hours like in today's RPGs, back then you had to take your time grinding and making your own maps

[Anonymous No.3869681]

>>3869680
I played PS2 for the first time last year and I got through it in a week. No maps. Most of the length was a result of Rolf's speed being "leisurely stroll"

[Anonymous No.3869689]

>>3869680
How do you map that dungeon? Make a convoluted flow-chart of teleporters?
I had plenty of mapping experience from Wizardry when I played PS2 and I never managed to make proper makes for it. I gave up and used a guide for the final dungeons because it was just a chore at that point.

[Anonymous No.3869902]

>>3854162

Not really, but compared to mindless hedonism a-la PS2's society, yes.

[Anonymous No.3870210]

>>3868476
I don't know why I only just realised that the cover art is just a Burgerised version of this.

[Anonymous No.3871151]

Stay alive. Whatever may occur, I will find you!

[Anonymous No.3873929]

Alys or Alis?

[Anonymous No.3874037]

>>3822472
>23 days ago

Wow.
Archive when?

[Anonymous No.3874112]

>>3873929
Aris
Japanese titles need a Japanese name for the main character.

[Anonymous No.3874246]

>>3859438
>>3859660

so it doesn't hold up

[Anonymous No.3874882]

>>3874246
Yer momma don't hold up.

[Anonymous No.3875079]

Best thread on /vr/ for nearly a month now!

[Anonymous No.3876026]

>>3867581

This.

[Anonymous No.3876030]

>>3869689
>Make a convoluted flow-chart of teleporters?
Actually yes.

[Anonymous No.3876846]

>>3822472
>Has it aged well?

This thread? Yeah, I think so.

[Anonymous No.3877786]

>>3876846
Tis like fine wine.

[Anonymous No.3877797]

>>3875079
>the PSIV crew against motherboard

[Anonymous No.3878402]

>>3877797
Mother Brain?

[Anonymous No.3879014]

Which is worse...
PS2 or PS3?

[Anonymous No.3879302]

This thread is still here?

Boards been slower than normal, huh?

[Anonymous No.3880028]

>All these newfags who don't remember when every /vr/ thread would last at least a month

[Anonymous No.3880915]

>>3880028
Iknowrite?

[Anonymous No.3881220]

>>3822472
The grinding is obnoxious, and the first person dungeons are a bit crap without maps. But it's a great game.

[Anonymous No.3882071]

>>3834204
>>3835117
>mfw I first played this on the GBA
>mfw I completed 2 without a single guide because there were no online guides
>mfw all I remember are the maps and that Nei was massive vidya dream girl for eons
>mfw

[Anonymous No.3883362]

>>3882071
Nei was my first waifu.

[Anonymous No.3884513]

>>3883362
Demi > Wren

[Anonymous No.3885575]

Awesome game.
Great thread.

[Anonymous No.3886390]

>>3884513
Who else used Demi in the final battle?

[Anonymous No.3887452]

>>3886390
I did.
Demi is kawaii!

[Anonymous No.3889305]

>>3886390

I did. She's awesome!

[Anonymous No.3889548]

>>3822472

NOPE, Ultima underworld shits all over it

[Anonymous No.3890925]

>>3886390
The first time through, I used Raja, but after trying all of the possible fifth members, Demi is definitely the most fun.

I still need to run through the game again so I can do the final dungeon with just Chaz, Rika, Wren, and Rune.

[Anonymous No.3891076]

>>3886390
Uggh, she's the shits. Dont kill me but,
>Muh Gryz
>Muh Hahn
Why do these awesome characters have to be so fucking awful?

[Anonymous No.3891146]

>>3891076
Hahn isn't awful, he's just not as good as Rune at dealing damage; and you desperately need a good healer in the PD fight, so Demi and Raja are better choices.

Gryz has the common sense to leave the party around when he stops being effective - he knows he's outclassed. Having him around for the PD fight is just a fun challenge.

[Anonymous No.3891719]

>>3886390
What about boomerang-throwing-lady-rune?

[Anonymous No.3891817]

>>3822472
>aged
you forgot to add "my wife's son"

[Anonymous No.3892334]

>>3825530
Needs a remake

[Anonymous No.3893247]

>>3891719
Not as cool as Alys!

[Anonymous No.3894296]

>>3893247
But is anyone?

[Anonymous No.3895317]

>>3891146
What about Kyra?

[Anonymous No.3895835]

>>3895317
>What about Kyra?
Honestly, it's been a really long time since I ran through the last dungeon with Kyra, so I'm not 100% positive on this, but afair she was alright. About as difficult as Hahn, but for different reasons - she's a better healer than he is, but she's harder to keep alive because her defensive stats are so much lower than his, and she doesn't do as much damage as Hahn either. She did pretty well when she wasn't getting Megid'd to death.

[Anonymous No.3895923]

>>3895317
>>3895835
>>3891146

I've found the following:

Hahn - nice help going through The Edge, as most of the enemies(save for Prophallus...yes, it's spelled that way) are insta-killable, so you can pretty much just Vol your way through. At PD, he loses steam, though he can help your offensive setup with Vision, and keep people alive after single shot attacks. Beyond that, he should be popping Star Dews.
Raja - HAHAHAHAHAHA...moving on.
Gryz - This can be a challenge. Again, good for the dungeon(Crash), bad for the boss. Extra damage isn't bad(especially after War Cry), and he can tank hits if second in the party, but again; pop the Star Dews.
Demi - Another pretty easy one to beat PD with. IIRC, she's a little faster than Wren too, so she can put up Barrier instead of him if you need to. Her Medic Power may not be enough if PD decides to bombard you with AoEs, though...
Kyra - An alternative to putting up Deban(Warla), and again, very handy to use Medice for single recoveries. If her Def is lacking, double shields are always an option. Her big gun spell, Nafoi, seems to not do as much damage during the last form, though...
4 only - You will be playing catch up every three rounds or so...accept it, and pray that you don't have your shields erased, only to take a first action Megid to the face.

[Anonymous No.3896762]

>>3895923
Cool.

So is Raja weak or what?

[Anonymous No.3896798]

>>3896762
Extraordinarily the opposite, actually. Again, you have to put double shields on him, but if you do...you will be laughing throughout the entire battle. Holy Word insta-kills enemies in the dungeon, St. Fire does decent damage(all enemies are dark based), his NaSar tech is ridiculously powerful, and on top of that, Ataraxia restores a character's TP, so you can keep spamming your techs.
Raja is beyond EZ mode, he is the literal definition of babby mode for the last boss.

[Anonymous No.3896847]

>>3896798
Now I have to go replay IV and not use Raja at the end.

[Anonymous No.3897142]

>>3895923
>Kyra - An alternative to putting up Deban(Warla), and again, very handy to use Medice for single recoveries. If her Def is lacking, double shields are always an option. Her big gun spell, Nafoi, seems to not do as much damage during the last form, though...
I'd forgotten about Medice, actually. Double-shields could work, but I remember her running out of TP when I took her, so I had to resort to her using basic attacks on rounds when I didn't need her to 'dew the party (or when she was dead). Definitely doable, though.

>>3896762
>>3896798
>Raja is beyond EZ mode, he is the literal definition of babby mode for the last boss.
Yeah, Raja is godlike. Ataraxia alone would make him broken in a game where there's no other way to restore TP outside of resting, but he's also got a large enough TP pool to spam his (very strong) healing spells, and things like St Elmo's Fire and his very good defensive stats (especially with double-shields) that just make him completely broken.

>>3896847
>Now I have to go replay IV and not use Raja at the end.
If you're looking for a challenge, save before you pick one up and try it with just 4, then give them all a shot.

[Anonymous No.3897151]

If God granted me a wish i would kill everyone who say, write or type "aged well"
GAMES DON'T CHANGE NIGGERS IT'S YOU WHO CHANGE THEREFORE A GAME DON'T AGE LIKE WINE OR CHEESE SINCE IT STAYS 100% THE SAME FOR ALL ETERNITY

[Anonymous No.3897318]

>>3897151
"aged well" is another way of saying "the way the gaming climate and conventions is today don't seem to deter the game from being a chore or annoyance to play without readjustment."

[Anonymous No.3897329]

>>3897151
Games can change via patches. Apparently PS1 had two revisions on the SMS, not to mention later re-releases.

[Anonymous No.3897951]

>>3897142
I think you might be right about Kyra running out of TP, though I'm not sure if that happened when I did NaGra, then NaFoi when I ran low, or just straight NaFoi.

>>3896847
As >>3897142 says, the ultimate challenge is going with just 4. But it's not like there's anything different about the ending depending on your party...if you only ever want to use Raja, by all means go for it.

[Anonymous No.3898864]

Neat.

[Anonymous No.3898896]

>>3897151
>muh autistic literal and limited understanding of word usage.

[Anonymous No.3898921]

Just finished a playthrough. Great game still.

[Anonymous No.3898956]

Nice.

[Anonymous No.3899417]

>>3851776
After the "great collapse" neisecond was cloned by the supercomputer Gene to create the "Neitype Model" NM-1000 series and the later improved NM-2000 series. These first mass produced newmans were created as a new human race capable of surviving in the harsh natural environment of motavia and were designed to exterminate the "lesser" humans under Gene's orders. Forren (Wren from ps4) shut Gene down and NM-1153 (a rebellious neitype that sympathized with humans and fell in love with a young Rudy(or Chaz)) armed with the Neiclaw destroyed all of the other NM-1000 and NM-2000 clones. NM-1153 then went to live with the super computer Seed who used the neitype research to create the NM-3000 series that includes Fal (or Rika). Fal is designed to breed with humanity instead of killing and replacing them, mothering a new humanity that can survive on natural Motavia.

all of this is from the official phantasy star memorial drama cd
The Phantasy Star Memorial Drama CD was released in 1995 by Softbank. It is 68 minutes and 15 seconds long in total length. The main story takes place three years prior to the events in Phantasy Star: At the End of the Millennium. It primarily focuses on Rudy and NM-1153 and their adventure together.

http://pixelkiss.com/phantasystar/translation.html

[Anonymous No.3899582]

>>3899417
Interesting read. I'll never understand those name changes though. I get that it's normally done because they thought the names were too Japanese and wanted to westernize them but most of them seemed like they should have been fine to me, and then Nei wasn't even changed and Rika sounds more Japanese than Fal.

[Anonymous No.3899635]

>>3899582
They also renamed Tyrone and Lutz in 1. Maybe Tyrone was too long but there's no reason to change Lutz.
Other companies did the same, see Roto in DQ or Adol in Ys.

[Anonymous No.3899820]

>>3899417
I knew it!

[Anonymous No.3900418]

>>3899582
>Interesting read. I'll never understand those name changes though. I get that it's normally done because they thought the names were too Japanese and wanted to westernize them but most of them seemed like they should have been fine to me, and then Nei wasn't even changed and Rika sounds more Japanese than Fal.
Most of the name changes were length limitations (japanese characters are more space-efficient than english ones), though some of them were still bizarre (Lutz has been mentioned - several of the PSII names had reasonable english versions and didn't really need changing to fit).

[Anonymous No.3900519]

>>3900418
The weired part in 2 is when they gave other characters the shortened version.
Rolf is short for Rudolf but they renamed Eussis to Rolf and Rudolf to Rudo.
Anne becomes Amy while Amia becomes Anna.

[Anonymous No.3902131]

>>3891719

[Anonymous No.3903362]

>>3902131
She's got a moose knuckle!

[Anonymous No.3904342]

>>3903362
>>3902131
It a camel toe

[Anonymous No.3904348]

>>3886390
Me.

[Anonymous No.3904968]

>>3832501
So what are the best versions that can be easily purchased nowadays? Is it better to just stick to emulators? Also, are there any dramatic changes in the Western releases; I never owned an older Sega console.

[Anonymous No.3905234]

>>3904968
It is included in all of those Sega game collections for PSP, PS3, X360 etc. Or you can buy it separately on Steam. Or just emulate it, it's all the same.
Changes include changes of most characters names and some very minor censoring in one of the end game locations. You won't even notice it if you don't know beforehand.

[Anonymous No.3905265]

>>3905234
I'll take a look around the digital stores first then, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3905289]

>>3904968
Phantasy Star Complete Collection (Sega Ages 32) for the Playstation 2 has all the games in Japanese and English and a bunch of neat extra options.
If you want to play Phantasy Star 1 in English you may however want the SMS Power translation with FM Sound support.

[Anonymous No.3905306]

>>3905289
Thanks, my PS2's drive is faulty though but I am interested in playing Phantasy Star 1 in English.

[Anonymous No.3905421]

>>3904968
>Is it better to just stick to emulators?
Since you don't have the original hardware, yes. Remember to play the retranslation of PS1 not only for the sane text but for the glorious FM music.

[Anonymous No.3905635]

Who Segagaga in here?

[Anonymous No.3905641]

Who Segagaga in here?

[Anonymous No.3905863]

>>3865337
Ugh, muh OCD.
I can't be the only one that can tell that the backgrounds for all eight character portraits chain together into one lone background, right?

[Anonymous No.3905867]

>>3883362
Mieu was my first waifu. Always faithful.

>>3886390
I used them all in turn, having a save game before the final battle. But I can't be the only one that played it with only four characters to see if it could be done. Yes it can.

[Anonymous No.3906587]

I haven't played this series in 20 years. Any guess how long they are? I'm thinking of replaying them all.

Also bump to a great thread.

[Anonymous No.3907540]

>>3905867
>Playing through with only 4 characters.

I need to try this.

[Anonymous No.3907542]

>>3905641
>Nei Rika and Mieu
muh dick

where do I sign up

[Anonymous No.3907581]

>>3907540
Load up on Star Dews...Rika's NaSar tech is NOT going to last(in fact, exclusively use the 'Dews...you need her to cast Saner and Deban). Like >>3905867 said though, it can be done.

[Anonymous No.3908648]

Fricking great game.

[Anonymous No.3909839]

>>3906587
4 is around 25-30 hours, depending on how many of the optional dungeons and sidequests you go through, and how thoroughly you search them for treasure.

3 can be really fast or take a really long time, depending on which ending you go for. I think Aron's is the shortest route, though I'm not 100% sure. Probably in the 20-30 range, again depending on the RNG and how many optional treasures you go out of your way to pick up.

I want to say 2 took me around 35 hours, though I did use maps for some of the later dungeons. You can spend hours grinding for money you don't necessarily need here (if you want to fully equip everyone, for example), though, so it's hard to say.

I don't remember for 1, but it's probably about the same as 4, or maybe a little shorter. I'd guess 20-25 hours, maybe as little as 15 if you have a really good handle on the dungeons and don't waste time walking around.

[Anonymous No.3910042]

>>3909839
Good to know.

[Anonymous No.3910341]

>>3839765
These mofos went and released DQ as an mmo... when i heard that crap i knew we weren't gonna ever get the end of hxh

[Anonymous No.3911135]

>>3909839
Thanks Anon, time to dive back in!

[Anonymous No.3911578]

>>3909839
It's about time that I played through PSIV

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pTC16LQnHY4

[Anonymous No.3912054]

>>3911578
Awesome.
Why can't they make video game commercials like this now?

[Anonymous No.3912678]

Good night Phantasy Star thread.
I love you.

[Anonymous No.3913437]

>>3912678
Good night!

[Anonymous No.3914142]

>>3912678
Alis has a nice little pussy.

[Anonymous No.3914569]

>>3914142
>BA-DUM-TSSS!

[Anonymous No.3916180]

Were any of the single player games past IV worth playing? I know they weren't retro but curious if any got away from the grind garbage of PSO.

[Anonymous No.3916305]

>>3916180
>Single player games after PS4

Huh? Weren't the only games made after that PSO? Like you mentioned.

And yeah, avoid the PSO series like the plague.

[Anonymous No.3916330]

>>3916305
>Phsntasy Star Online
>Motavians and Dezorians are not selectable as playable races

What were they thinking?!

[Anonymous No.3916610]

>>3916330
I wish!

[Anonymous No.3917068]

>>3916330
>>3916610
I would actually play PSO if you could be a Motavian or a Dezorian.

[Anonymous No.3917069]

>>3917068
Forgot my pic.

[Anonymous No.3917485]

DQ 3 > PS1 > DQ 1 > DQ 4 > FF 3 > MT2 > DQ 2 > FF1 > MT1 > FF 2

It's one of the best 8 bit JRPGs that still has something resembling a presence to this day.

[Anonymous No.3917727]

>>3916330
>>3916610
>>3917068
In Phantasy Star Universe, they finally did add Motavians. You can play as "Beasts" from "Moatoob" without going into too many details. Overall, they were shit, and PSU is shit anyway. Lots of lost potential.

I still wasted hundreds of hours playing before I realized how shitty the game is overall. I'm well over 2 thousand hours into PSO and still going strong though.

Anyway, I agree that it's too bad SEGA hasn't ever made another old-skool PS game. You would think with the booming retro market, this kind of shit would be alluring to them...

[Anonymous No.3918028]

>>3822472

I've been a fan of Phantasy Star for a long time, but never played this one. Thanks to this thread I decided to give it a go and I've been working on making my own maps. First time I've done something like this and I'm loving it.

This game is so different than most RPGs I've played. It's refreshing.

[Anonymous No.3918230]

>>3918028
>Them maps

Very nice!

[Anonymous No.3918261]

>>3917727
>Beasts

These are NOT Motavians!

[Anonymous No.3918749]

>>3918028
Great work Anon!

[Anonymous No.3918765]

>>3918028
>that map of Parma
Wow, great job, anon.

[Anonymous No.3918943]

By the way, I've played Cosmic Star Heroine a bit and it's really reminding me of Phantasy Star. It's scratching that itch

[Anonymous No.3919149]

>>3918028
You're all right.

[Anonymous No.3919468]

>>3841843
Every dungeon in PS1 is the same too but different brick colors, so how is that an argument

[Anonymous No.3920039]

>>3919468
at least PS1's are easier to map

[Anonymous No.3920158]

>>3920039
Maybe, haven't played the sequels yet so I wouldn't know, I played PS1 on my Vita with an emulator so instead of mapping I just saved the game (not save states) at intersections and rebooted the game a lot , and from looking at the PS2 maps posted, it looks like it'd be easier to recognize certain parts of dungeons as opposed to PS1 where everything is just one single corridor.

[Anonymous No.3920168]

>>3822472
Just started this anons, what am I in for?

Was gonna start FFII but after all the flak I read I figured I should start this series instead

[Anonymous No.3920293]

>>3920158
>being this naive about PS2's dungeons

[Anonymous No.3920428]

>>3920168
>what am I in for?
Maximum exploration, seriously the best game world to explore. And great FM sound, if you're playing the correct version (I sure hope you aren't playing the official translation!)

[Anonymous No.3920603]

>>3920428
Nice!

[Anonymous No.3920651]

>>3822472
No. Then again, nothing from that genre has aged well.

[Anonymous No.3921521]

>>3920428
I'm not knowledgeable about the translation difference, can you recommend which translation a new player should use?

[Anonymous No.3922053]

>>3921521
>http://www.smspower.org/Translations/PhantasyStar-SMS-EN?sid=0eda5fe3fbe8dbcaf2b12487f3be81fa
This one. The original translation is, well, one of those 80's video game translations. Shouldn't need to say more than that. But the real problem is that the official English language version of the game has FM sound support disabled, even if you play it on Japanese hardware. The retranslation (which by the way is actually well translated) is of course based on the Japanese rom and thus has the FM sound intact. It sounds SO much better, there is just no comparison.

The only downside is that you can't enjoy said FM sound on real non-Japanese hardware, you'll have to play it on an emulator even if you're usually a flashcart guy.

[Anonymous No.3922240]

>>3822472
Played it for the first time two years ago, fuck yeah it's aged well.

Now PSII? That shit has aged like bread.

[Anonymous No.3922878]

>>3922240
PSII had aged like MILK even!

[Anonymous No.3923207]

>>3922878
>>3922240
Sad, but true...

[Anonymous No.3923759]

>>3922053
How's the translation on the sequels?

[Anonymous No.3924173]

>>3923759
Inconsistent. PS2 is pretty awful with names, shortening things to 4 characters pointlessly, like planet names. There is a sort of half-arsed retranslation for 2, but it patches over the US rom, not the Japanese one, and does not work on real hardware. It does improve the script and makes it more consistent with the series naming, but it's only worth using if you plan to play on emulator, I wouldn't use an emulator just for the PS2 retranslation like I would the PS1 one.

PS3's translation is as 'leaving important stuff out' as ever, you get that in old RPG translations. Nothin' ya can do. PS4 is fine, but changes character names for no good reason.

[Anonymous No.3924371]

>>3924173
Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.3924486]

>>3832501
Amazing game

[Anonymous No.3925634]

>>3832501
You should also add...
>PSIII: Music

PSIII & PSIV have the same composer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTOopLER8jw

[Anonymous No.3926130]

>>3925634
Nice

[Anonymous No.3926320]

>>3924173
Thanks for the quality posts on the translation.

[Anonymous No.3926757]

>>3925634
I love the SST.

[Anonymous No.3927439]

>>3924173
PS3's translation felt really sparse. Like a lot of details were being omitted.

[Anonymous No.3927525]

>>3822472
it holds up about as well as the old final fantasy games on the nes.
not much to say about it

[Anonymous No.3927782]

You can't compare PS1 to FF1.
FF1 was dated and obsolete the second it was released.
PS1 is a timeless classic.

Only nostalgiafags would argue orherwise.

[Anonymous No.3928072]

>>3927782
Truth.

[Anonymous No.3928116]

>>3927782
I like both

[Anonymous No.3928379]

>>3928116
Then you're only half-retarded!
:^)

[Anonymous No.3929217]

This was one of my favorite /vr/ threads I've ever seen. Thanks for all the great informative posts. I was hoping this would to get filled with interfere shitflinging.

If I dig PS1 dungeon crawling, is it worth checking out eye of the beholder and the other old d and d games? Or from a first person dungeon perspective is it totally different?

[Anonymous No.3929227]

>>3929217
Eye of the Beholder is action.
You'll probabably get more turn based first person dungeon crawling in Megami Tensei, Wizardry, Might and Magic or Bard's Tale.

[Anonymous No.3930089]

>>3929217
One of the best /vr/ threads ever.

[Anonymous No.3930189]

>>3929217
Phantasy Star is love.

[Anonymous No.3930208]

>the GBA/DS era passed us by and we never got a proper sprite remake of Phantasy Star II that was more player-friendly

- improved sprite graphics that respected the original's designs instead of trying to replace or "modernize" them
- grind fest minimized, battle system sports PS4 improvements
- text adventures used as a basis to fill in background details of your party members and/or sidequests
- proper localization
- dungeons rejigged to be fun and not shit

[Anonymous No.3930267]

>>3930208
Generation 2 did include some improvements.
Overall it was more worthwhile than Generation 1.

[Anonymous No.3930460]

>>3930189
>raising a bio-monster to be your very own sister-daughter-wife.

Don't think we didn't know what was really go on there, Rolf!

[Anonymous No.3930749]

>>3822472
As an oldfag who is ancient enough to remember when it came out, it definitely aged better than the first few Dragon Quest games.

I even played the Generations 1 version awhile back when the translation came out.

[Anonymous No.3930829]

>take Shir to Dezolis
>can't go in any shops or else you have to backtrack 20 mins to get her back

reeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.3931221]

>>3930829
Load her up with Trimates or something to max out her inventory. Without an empty slot, she can't steal anything.

[Anonymous No.3931349]

>>3930267
I should probably play it and give it a fair shake, but I wasn't a fan of the art direction they took with it.

[Anonymous No.3931650]

>>3920428
>>3922053
Awesome, really comfy so far. I started playing via Sonic Genesis Collection am I fucked? Is it a decent port? I mainly bought it for the arcade games but noticed 1-4 are on it.

[Anonymous No.3931685]

>>3832501
>play the best ones so afterwards when you want more everything else will be a step down
I've never understood this logic.

[Anonymous No.3931689]

Based on the comments, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one on this board who liked Phantasy Star II

[Anonymous No.3932153]

>>3931689
II is good. It has my favourite atmosphere among all 4 classic games. Neat characters once you explore their stories in Text Adventures. Moravia being not a deadly desert for once is refreshing. And then there is THAT final.
My only grudges with it are a somewhat outdated menuso where all menus close after you use one item and that it relies on grinding heavily.

[Anonymous No.3932243]

>>3931689
I WANT to like it. But it actively does everything it can to repel me.

I could say the same for PSIII. An jrpg that spans three generations would and should be a grand adventure, but the game squanders it and shits on the series legacy while it does it. A remake might have alleviated this, but Sega Ages stopped being a thing after Generations:2

[Anonymous No.3932312]

How is the Saturn port of PSIV? Should I play that or the original MD version?

[Anonymous No.3932360]

>>3931650
>am I fucked?
You'll just miss out on the great music and have to put up with a rubbish translation. As long you you can figure out the gibberish the game shouldn't be any harder, but some NPC text may be outright false. But no, you're not fucked. The game is still good, there's a reason we liked it before the better version existed.
> Is it a decent port?
It's only an old rom running in a bad emulator, so yeah it's kind of a bad way to play it when you could be playing a better rom in a better emulator.

[Anonymous No.3932395]

>>3930829
>Using Shir...
>Ever!

I think I found your problem.

[Anonymous No.3932452]

>>3932395
You've got to play with a harem party and there are only three female characters after a certain point.

[Anonymous No.3933441]

>>3932452
But Shir is soooooo bad!

[Anonymous No.3933746]

>>3822472
Anyone know the difference between the hell mode and purgatory mode of the rom hack for Phantasy Star 4? Purgatory seems worse than hell. Are the names just backwards?

[Anonymous No.3934132]

>>3931689
I liked it. It's not my favorite, but it's fun.

>>3932395
>>3933441
>dissing best girl
Philistines, all of you!
I mean, she's not as good as Anna or Amy in their areas of expertise (clearing weak enemies and healing), but if you take the time to level her up you can pretty much guarantee that she goes first in any fight - which can make the difference between getting some healing off or not or needing that healing in the first place. Giving her the snow crown and Storm Gear(crown? whatever the headgear that casts Zan is) can make her quite useful in fights.

Also, she has the best text adventure game, the best reason for joining your party, and the best lines in the game.

(it's kind of the opposite with Amy, who's almost certainly going last in any round).

[Anonymous No.3934219]

>>3934132
>she goes first in any fight - which can make the difference between getting some healing off or not or needing that healing in the first place. Giving her the snow crown and Storm Gear(crown? whatever the headgear that casts Zan is) can make her quite useful in fights.

And the exact same thing could be said of Anna.

Shir is totally outclassed by Anna and a redundant party member.

[Anonymous No.3934548]

>>3934219
This.

[Anonymous No.3934576]

>New to retro games, barely any experience in retro besides the first 2 Ys games
>Love the art style
>This thread and the art anons posted catch my eye
Are there ports or hacks or anything for PS that I should know about before starting this series?

[Anonymous No.3934685]

What is the best way to play these games? This thread has convinced me to give it a go.

[Anonymous No.3934704]

>>3934685
With... Your thumbs?

[Anonymous No.3934706]

>>3934704
What a shit tier reddit response

[Anonymous No.3934757]

Should you get pictures of the maps for PS1 or draw your own?

[Anonymous No.3934783]

>>3934219
>redundant party member
So what, you played through the game without the Visiphone?

>>3934685
Depends on what you're into, really. The games are set 1000 years apart (except for 3 and 4, which take place somewhat concurrently), and while they're all in the same setting, there isn't much connecting each game to the next until 4, which wraps up the series. You can play them in just about any order you like, really.

Personally, I'd suggest playing them mostly in order - either 1, 2, 3, 4 or 1, 2, 4, 3. PSIII is kind of a side-story, so you can play it after 2 or 4 and it'll still make some sense chronologically.

[Anonymous No.3934849]

>>3934783
That's useful information and I thank you for it but to be honest I meant which version of the games as there are quite a few across different systems.

[Anonymous No.3934981]

>>3934849
>That's useful information and I thank you for it but to be honest I meant which version of the games as there are quite a few across different systems.
Generally I'd advise playing the originals. Most of the ports weren't as good as the original games for one reason or another - usually poor audio or graphics. If you're comfortable emulating, there's a re-translation of the japanese version of the first game with the FM soundtrack, which is pretty good. I don't think PSII or PSIII have any retranslations that are significantly better than the original games, and PSIV doesn't need one.

The playstation remakes of 1 and 2 were very different games altogether. The PSI remake gave more characterization to the plot and the characters, but they also added a bunch of shit and and removed most of the nonlinearity from the game. If you're really into the setting and just want more, it's not bad, but it's fairly skippable. I haven't played the PSII remake yet, but I hear it's a little better.

[Anonymous No.3935679]

>>3934757
Be a man.
Draw your own maps.

[Anonymous No.3935684]

>>3934783
>get Shir yo join party
>go to the Moravia government center with Shir
>have Shir steal visophone
>take Shir back to home base
>leave Shir there for the rest of the game

Shoe coulld have been an NPC who just gives you the visohone in the first place

[Anonymous No.3935690]

>>3934783 #
>get Shir yo join party
>go to the Motavia government center with Shir
>have Shir steal visophone
>take Shir back to home base
>leave Shir there for the rest of the game

[Anonymous No.3935903]

>>3935679
Today I'm buying a book of graph paper and for the first time drawing my own maps
Only other thing that came close was the time I spent playing Etrian Odyssey

[Anonymous No.3935932]

>>3932395
After running through Phantasy Star II so many times I have to mix it up. Its gets boring running the same party of Rolf Rudo Anna and Amy every time.

[Anonymous No.3935960]

I just started PS2 a few days ago and I'm really enjoying it so far. Of course, I've only just reached Uzo Island, so I guess I haven't hit any of the nightmare dungeons yet. It doesn't seem like normal mapping is going to be viable so I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I guess maybe I'll just take notes on what paths I've taken.

I'm also leveling all of the characters equally, but I'm switching equipment between them when I can because fuck grinding for all that money. So far Hugh seems less useful than Shir.

[Anonymous No.3935969]

I can't play PS 2 on anything but an emulator now to speed up the grinding despite owning the cart.

[Anonymous No.3935991]

>>3930208
>M2 remakes top-tier versions of SEGA Classics for the Nintendo 3DS
>Neglects one of the best JRPG series of all time
I want it, badly.

[Anonymous No.3935995]

>>3935991
M2 did the PSX2 Complete Collection.
Best way to play the games unless you really need the translation patch for 1.

[Anonymous No.3936012]

>>3935995
Any links to this collection?

[Anonymous No.3936023]

>>3936012
https://www.emuparadise.me/Sony_Playstation_2_ISOs/Sega_Ages_2500_Series_Vol._32_-_Phantasy_Star_Complete_Collection_(Japan)/151799

[Anonymous No.3936027]

>>3936023
Another anon said the PS2 versions were pretty poor though, should I get this or the SMS ones?

[Anonymous No.3936042]

>>3936027
He was talking about Generation 1 and 2, not the Complete Collection. The Generation games are copmlete remakes with new graphics and altered gameplay, this is a collection with all original games with a bunch of extra options.

[Anonymous No.3936045]

>>3936042
Thanks for clarifying anon-kun

[Anonymous No.3936047]

>>3936042
Any translation patch for this?

[Anonymous No.3936050]

>>3936047
The generation games? Yeah they are both translated.

[Anonymous No.3936053]

>>3936047
Is comes with all the official English versions as well.
The only thing you will miss is the translation patch for 1. The collection only allows FM sound in the Japanese version of 1.

[Anonymous No.3936137]

>>3936050
>>3936053
Thanks, going to start my adventure into the Phantasy Star series tonight

[Anonymous No.3936351]

>tfw literally cannot draw my own maps
>they always come out inaccurate even when I count the steps, then I get confused and lost
>tfw too retarded for vidyagames

[Anonymous No.3936372]

>>3936351
Have you tried games that give you coordinates?
Something like M&M1 with fixed map sizes, coordinate spell and few confusing elements might be a good start.

[Anonymous No.3936373]

>>3936137
I hope you'll fun, anon. I wish I could experience Phantasy Star for the first time again.

[Anonymous No.3936376]

>>3936372
I'm a big fan of the Etrian Odyssey games but apart from those the only other dungeon crawling experience I have is with SMT
Should I not be jumping into PS?

>>3936373
>Walk outside town
>Explore
>On beach get attacked by King Shark
>Get one shotted
This game is looking to be good

[Anonymous No.3936382]

>>3934576
Just make sure you're playing the retranslation of PS1, primarily for the better music, and have said FM music enabled in your emulator. Nothing else on the 'need to know' pile.

[Anonymous No.3936385]

>>3935960
>I'm also leveling all of the characters equally
If you're having fun doing that then it's all well and good but I'm here to let you know that it's not neccesary, if you're thinking it might be. You can safely stick with your favourites if you want.

[Anonymous No.3936397]

>>3936351
Forget maps. Just keep it all in your head. Ya just gotta remember what direction the exist is in and recognise familiar corridor layouts. It sounds hard but it's not. You can do it!

>>3936376
>Should I not be jumping into PS?
It's a pretty simple game really. If you've played any first person SMT to near completion then Phantasy Star will not give you any trouble.

[Anonymous No.3936401]

>>3936397
Thanks very much anon, I'm powering on!
One thing that's baffling, how do you sell stuff?

[Anonymous No.3936474]

Help I accidentally sold the Laconian Pot and didn't realise until way after
What do?

[Anonymous No.3936478]

>>3936474
I'm a dumbass

[Anonymous No.3936479]

>>3936401
Oh, only one type of shop has the sell option, from memory. It's the misc items shop, not the healing/food or weapon shop. When you're in the right type of shop there should be a buy/sell option.

[Anonymous No.3936480]

>>3936479
Yeah, it was the tools shop that lets you sell stuff
Haven't done anything except grind a bit, but I'm really liking the game

[Anonymous No.3936484]

>>3936474
I'm actually not sure what to do in that situation. Roll back your save if you can, 'cause you really messed up. Might have to start again.

[Anonymous No.3936490]

>>3936484
I posted I was a dumbass, turns out I never got the Laconian Pot because that was in a previous save where I died. I never got it on this save and thought I sold it, if you try to sell it the guy says it'll be useful later.

[Anonymous No.3936738]

>>3935960
Stop I leveling everyone equally.
Try a team with...

>Rolf
>Rudi
>Anna
>Amy

You can thank me later.

[Anonymous No.3936743]

Fuark lads think I'm going to have to use a walkthrough for PS1. Took me forever just to find Tylon, let alone to know what the fuck to do before then

[Anonymous No.3936810]

>>3936743
>Took me forever just to find Tylon, let alone to know what the fuck to do before then

That's part of the fun. Don't be a past and use a walkthrough.
All you need is the instruction booklet.

http://segaretro.org/File:Phantasystar_sms_us_manual.pdf

[Anonymous No.3936814]

>>3936810
>don't be a past*
>*pussy

[Anonymous No.3936815]

>>3936810
I do get the whole exploration element but there's a larger part of me that just wants to get through it all to continue to the other games

[Anonymous No.3937184]

>>3936815
>I do get the whole exploration element but there's a larger part of me that just wants to get through it all to continue to the other games

I would savor the exploration in PSI while you can.

Exploration in PS2 is just an exercise in gruelling punishment.

[Anonymous No.3937302]

>>3937184
I do kind of like it, but between my incompetence with dungeon crawling this retro and low tolerance for being stuck I'm getting angerey

[Anonymous No.3937317]

>>3936814
Ayo gurl, lemme have a crack at dat past

[Anonymous No.3937620]

Most good dungeon crawlers aged well.

[Anonymous No.3938097]

>>3882071
STOLEN credit card!

[Anonymous No.3938172]

>>3936738
This is very clearly the best team, but my autism dictates that I must use all available characters. Plus it's nice to mix it up once in awhile. I have a feeling it's going to get very grindy though.

[Anonymous No.3938302]

>>3823745
What's the name of the app.

[Anonymous No.3938304]

>>3938302
Maps for Phantasy Star

[Anonymous No.3938586]

>>3867581
What boss theme are you saying is vaporwave?

[Anonymous No.3938875]

Thoughts on Nova?

[Anonymous No.3939145]

>>3938172
PS2 is grindy even when you only use the four best characters.

[Anonymous No.3939342]

Over 10 years ago, the guy at Gamestop recommended the PS 3-pack for GBA. I was a little shit at the time, and I couldn't deal with the fact that you have to grind the one enemy you can kill at the start of PS1 and run from the rest.


I revisited the game on a trip last year. Dungeon crawling was novel, animations were great, but I need more story, lore, character depth, or something to sustain me through a 20-30 hour game.

Alis may have been one of the earliest female protagonists, but there wasn't much to set her apart.

[Anonymous No.3939365]

>>3939342
Phantasy Star IV will be right up your alley, then. But really, for a 1988 game, PS1 did a lot of things other games in the genre didn't.

[Anonymous No.3939909]

>>3939365
This.

[Anonymous No.3940360]

>>3939342
Try PS4

[Anonymous No.3940408]

I've got the GBA ports. Is that a decent way to play the games?

[Anonymous No.3940445]

>>3940408
Not really. The GBA port's have greatly reduced audio and video.

[Anonymous No.3940636]

>>3940445
Ok then.

[Anonymous No.3941381]

You guys need to protect this thread just like you need to protect the Algol Star System from Dark Force.

[Anonymous No.3941557]

>>3941381
This is my favorite thread on /vr/ right now.

[Anonymous No.3941837]

Is Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection a good way to play the games?

By the time I buy the original carts, I could afford a flash cart.

[Anonymous No.3941842]

>>3941837
Phantasy Star and Knuckles was my favourite installment

[Anonymous No.3941878]

>>3941842
It was ok, but the ability to glide kind of breaks all of the levels.

[Anonymous No.3941887]

>>3941842
Kek!

[Anonymous No.3942013]

>>3941837
They are actually on Steam. When you buy the games you will have a "SEGA Mega Drive & Genesis Classics" game in your library and all games you buy for it show up as DLC. When you start it up you are basically in a virtual bedroom and can pick between the games you bought for it.
Or you could just emulate them the normal way.

[Anonymous No.3942019]

>>3942013
I want to play on a console though.

Also the Steam collection runs really poorly on my PC for some reason. Regular emulators are fine, even with intense shaders.

[Anonymous No.3942020]

>>3942013
They don't have Mk3 or SMS games so you won't get PS1.

[Anonymous No.3942230]

Looks like it's about time for me to stop winging it in the dungeons

[Anonymous No.3942238]

>>3942230
This is not selling me on PSII

[Anonymous No.3942241]

Is it worth trying to hunt down the old manuals and strategy guides?

[Anonymous No.3942257]

>>3942238
Every dungeon I've been through so far has looked really samey with a ton of different paths. I've somehow managed to plow my way through, but I have a feeling they're only going to get worse.

[Anonymous No.3942505]

>>3942241
Oh yeah. The manuals can be found at segaretro.

[Anonymous No.3942632]

>>3854162
Why do you think Jews push atheism and all these other isms? To keep whites from having a strong cohesive identity to speed the collapse of western civilisation. Tell me what queer non binary trans people of colour have done for society besides bitch and moan? But keep being a good goy thinking Christian it is the real problem while Muslims and Africans rape the daughters of whites that still manage to have children in the derascinated west friendo.

[Anonymous No.3942646]

>>3942632
this is a board for retro gaming

[Anonymous No.3942647]

>>3854532
LOL quoting a communist kike. Dotr is coming.

[Anonymous No.3942676]

>>3941837
Why pay for an emulator? If you're just going to emulate, get a superior emulator for free. That said, it should be a only-just-passable way to play 2-4, but, and it's already been said a thousand times in this thread alone, you should play the retranslation of 1 with FM sound enabled.

[Anonymous No.3942686]

>>3942676
What's the easiest way to play PS1 with the retranslation and FM sound on original hardware? Flash cart? Repro?

[Anonymous No.3942689]

>>3942257
Whatever gives you that idea?
This is one of the easy ones, check out >>3835117

[Anonymous No.3942694]

>>3942686
>on original hardware?
That's the real trick, you need a Japanese Master System or a Mark III with FM add-on. That's why an emulator is recommended for PS1 even by flashcart fags like me. You can of course run the retranslation on any Master System/Mega Drive flashcart but if your console doesn't have the Japanese MS FM sound chip in it all you get is the ugly old PSG sound.

That said, even if you insist on playing on real hardware at the expense of missing out on the good music, the retranslation would still be the way to go for the actual, y'know, translation.

[Anonymous No.3942712]

>>3942694
How about...

Master System Flashchart >> FM Power Base Mini >> Genesis/Mega Drive ?

[Anonymous No.3942763]

>>3942712
>FM Power Base Mini
Never heard of that but it's named obviously enough that I think I can see what it does. I imagine that combination would actually work fine.

[Anonymous No.3942796]

>>3942763
Yeah it does exactly what it sounds like. It's a modern product and costs about the same as an original power base converter.

[Anonymous No.3943198]

>>3942712
Interesting.

[Anonymous No.3943629]

>>3942796
I should try this.

[Anonymous No.3943903]

>>3823274
Does ps get balls to the wall difficult or cryptic like dq2? I don't remember ff1 being nearly as cryptic or difficult as dq2

[Anonymous No.3944314]

Do I need to play PH I-III to enjoy IV? Or are they fairly stand-alone?

[Anonymous No.3944329]

>>3944314
Fairly stand alone. There are some references and similarities to other games, but the story stands mostly alone (the big bad behind everything is also in the other games, but it doesn't really matter) and the characters don't appear in the other games.

[Anonymous No.3944350]

What are some of your other favorite RPGs?

Any more great stories/series other than the standard FF/DQ stuff?

Any more great stories on Sega consoles?

[Anonymous No.3944372]

>>3944350
>Other favourite RPGs
Love the Megami Tensei games, even though I'm horrendous at them and get frustrated with them easily. Ys is fantastic as well. Etrian Odyssey as well if you like PS.

>Great stories
Play Nier, it's incredible. If you don't mind visual novels read Muv-luv for one of the greatest stories ever. Let Us Cling Together is very good too and has a well told mature story.

>Great stories on Sega consoles
Ecco the dolphin my man

[Anonymous No.3944515]

>>3943903
No way man.
PS definitely requires you to explore everywhere. But it never felt cryptic or uncertain what to do next.

[Anonymous No.3944634]

>>3944314
There's lots of references to the previous games in PSIV. But that shouldn't stop you from enjoying the game.

[Anonymous No.3944639]

>>3944372
>read Muv-luv for one of the greatest stories ever
This is what EOPs actually believe.

[Anonymous No.3944734]

Bump?

[Anonymous No.3944739]

>500+ posts
>58 days
>Bump limit reached

It's been a wild ride comrades.
I'll see you all again in the Algol Star System.

[Anonymous No.3944740]

>>3944639
>My shitty moege is better than muv-luv

[Anonymous No.3944761]

>>3944739

[Anonymous No.3944768]

>>3944739
>>3944761

[Anonymous No.3944771]

>>3944739
>>3944761
>>3944768

[Anonymous No.3944775]

>>3944739
>>3944761
>>3944768
>>3944771

[Anonymous No.3944776]

How do we archive threads? is 4chanarchive still a thing?

[Anonymous No.3944796]

>>3944740
It's funny because the first third of Muv-Luv is one of the shittiest moege of all time, and the second third isn't much better. Even Alternative is mostly only famous for its special effects and cheesy death scenes. The characters are all terrible cardboard cutouts and the sci-fi is complete nonsense.

Muv-Luv is a Hollywood summer action flick. No more, no less.

[Anonymous No.3944810]

>>3944796
>trying this hard

Anyway this has been a great thread, hope a similar one comes along

[Anonymous No.3944860]

Are there any RPGs on sega consoles that can compete with PS? Other than Panzer Dragoon Saga?

[Anonymous No.3944902]

>>3944860
>Shining Force
>Shadowrun
>Skies of Arcadia

[Anonymous No.3944909]

This was a nice thread while it lasted.

[Anonymous No.3944912]

>>3944902
Is Shining in the Darkness any good?

[Anonymous No.3944918]

gud thred
11/10
make more later

[Anonymous No.3945048]

>>3944902
>beyond of oasis
>landstalker
>Dungeons and dragons warriors for the eternal sun

[Anonymous No.3945227]

>>3944515
I do think there is one kind of bullshit moment early on. Buying the 'secret' at the shop to progress. When you try buying it you cannot do it. There's no indication that trying to buy it multiple times will change anything, so it's pretty logical to give up after one attempt and assume you need to satisfy some condition before buying it.

[Anonymous No.3945339]

>>3944776
Warosu archives /vr/ threads, as does Desuarchive (which I prefer to use anyway).

[Anonymous No.3945528]

Gentlemen, I'm extremely proud of all of you for keeping this thread for two months and keeping it free from shitposting.
This is the definition of I quality thread. Hope to see you all again in another PS thread in the future.

[Anonymous No.3946117]

>>3822472
this and PS4 are both still fun for me, don't like PS2 and hate PS3 though.

[Anonymous No.3946461]

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.3946461,1]

>>3823285
Just reading this caused my IQ to drop. Thanks a lot, dipshit.