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Can anyone recommend cRPGs with D&D rules to someone who's never played D&D? I know of Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights.

>> No.3819749

>>3819729
That plus Icewind Dale. Where Baldur's Gate is more story focused, Icewind Dale puts a lot more emphasis on combat.

I've heard good things about Knights of the Chalice, that it's one of the best adaptions of the 3rd edition rules but I've not played it myself.

>> No.3819758

Planescape: Torment of course
Also tons of gold box games

Be aware that these games use first and second edition rulesets so they're not necessarily going to get you ready to play in a modern campaign.

>> No.3819759

Play all dem Goldbox games.

>> No.3819791

>>3819758
My intention is basically half and half to learn D&D in general and to not just get lost in the rules playing the game.

Thanks for the recommendations everybody.

>> No.3820360

>>3819729
Eye of the Beholder 1 and 2

>> No.3820832

>>3819791
>Learn D&D
You should keep in mind that the rules for D&D have changed a lot over the years. All the recommended games use modified version of pretty old rule sets from AD&D, and aren't indicative of the modern game.

>> No.3820905

>>3819729
Neverwinter Nights uses false edition rules, "false Dungeons & Dragons" as it were, to create the gaming experience. Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter and Icewind Dale 2 also use false edition / false rules as well, unfortunately. Luckily their assets are compatible with BG1/2 for modding purposes.

Baldur's Gate / SSI Gold Box / other SSI games prior to summer 2000 utilize True AD&D™ rules—True iterations of the (Advanced) Dungeons & Dragons ruleset(s).

In True AD&D™, the experience and treasure earned feel real. The magic one wields and faces feels real. Combat feels real. All things become real via the magic of verisimilitude. False editions have no such ability due to employing false rules—they can never approach True AD&D™ in its ability to impart a transfer of power in a Foucaultian sense.

Note that the Baldur's Gate, while a subset of True AD&D™, does not represent all of True AD&D™ (which is in itself a proper execution of all rules from prior to summer 2000.) It does not execute all of the rules, creating a necessarily limited play experience. However, those rules included are True. Tupac is alive in True AD&D™—AD&D has gold because of Tupac. Tupac rap magic.

>> No.3820909

>>3820832
Anything from after summer of 2000 is a false edition and warrants no attention for any reason.

>> No.3820925
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3820925

>>3820905
Don't you have .pdfs to go dump?

>> No.3820946

>>3820925
basic > advanced

>> No.3821059

>>3820946
If you like beruto sukarora games maybe

>> No.3821063

>>3819758
This.
Gold Box games are the best D&D videogames in existence.
Better than BG even.

>> No.3821069

baldur's gate 1+2 are good places to start. planescape torment is good. icewind dale is really fucking boring unless you're absolutely in love with dungeon crawling.

>> No.3821126

>>3820946
Advanced > Basic > 2e > 3e > god what have they done

>> No.3821221

Why do some people say 3.5 was the beginning of the end?

I thought 3.5 was just an extension of 3E and the game only turned to shit with 4E.

>> No.3821249

>>3821221
Because contrarians.

>> No.3821257

>>3821126
Advanced and 2E are the same game after 1982. Anything Monster Manual II and after is 2E. To indicate this, they dropped "Second Edition" from the game's name in 1995. At this time also, Basic became part of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons with the official folding-in of the Mystara campaign world to the canon of "2E".

>> No.3821276

>>3821221
>>3821249
3e was terrible. I cannot believe people shit on 5e and 4e but somehow are pkay with the pile of broken shit that is 3.x

>> No.3821335

>>3819791
>My intention is basically half and half to learn D&D in general and to not just get lost in the rules playing the game.
Oh dear sweet baby Jesus, please don't learn tabletop gaming through videogames.

As someone that GMs, and plays, a shitload of tabletop rpgs the very first thing I have to do when it comes to new players is having to force players to unlearn everything videogames have taught them.

If you want to learn how to play rpgs find a local game store and just play. If your GM isn't a cunt/new you shouldn't have to do anything other than play the game to get a grasp of what to do in a campaign.

>> No.3821340

>>3821335
I started with pen & paper and still learned a lot about roleplaying from video games.

>> No.3821415

>>3821340
I don't know what games you were playing, but I've never played a videogame where talking and tricking your way through isn't either boring or filled with adventure game logic. Unless there are somehow some videogames out there with artificial GMs with human-like creativity for the bullshit that you could throw at them then I'm sorry but you learned wrong.

>> No.3821428

>>3821415
More like things such as tactics, dungeneering, building a character and party.
Talking tends to backfire anyway so you best take your shot at killing them before they can kill you.

>> No.3821447

>>3819729
Temple of Elemental Evil is a pretty solid interpretation of 3.5 rules

>> No.3821508

>>3820905
Wasn't Neverwinter Nights based on the goldbox engine?
Not that it matters now that the servers are dead.

>> No.3821543

>>3821415
Neverwinter Nights dude.

>> No.3822307

>>3821508
Neverwinter Nights was 3.0E. Neverwinter Nights 2 was 3.5E.

"You can import your character into Neverwinter Nights," BG2 would tell you on every loading screen. LIES, false edition lies like all lies. WotC lies.

>> No.3822312

>>3822307
We don't talk about that Neverwinter Nights on this board. There was a classic online game with that name.

>> No.3822330

>>3822312
You're fucking retarded, it came in a gold box. Your bait is weak.

>> No.3822346

>>3822330
The 3D/3E Neverwinter Nights came out in 2002 that means it isn't retro, unlike the one from 1991.

>> No.3822370

>>3821447
To be fair that's also exactly why it's a terrible game.

>> No.3823112

Will there ever be 5e cRPG?

>> No.3823160

>>3819749
I've played Knights of the Chalice quite a lot, I really recommend it. It's heavily inspired by the dark sun D&D setting. It doesn't give you as many party customisation options as Icewind Dale but it's a very solid and very comfy game.

>> No.3823202

>>3823112
I hope not. If it was even remotely close to the original game it'd have every problem that IWD2 had but worse.

>> No.3823208

>>3823202
I never played Icewind 2, what kind of problems it had?

>> No.3823218

>>3823208
Class balance that makes AD&D look like a bastion of sanity, a shitty implementation of 3E's shitty feat system, monsters with truckloads of HP for no reason whatsoever to the point where 3 minmaxed melee will still take more than a single round to take them down(see: worg riders and especially the worg rider captains), boring equipment until you play HoF. It's really terrible compared to IWD1 and almost all of the blame can be pinned on the mechanics.

>> No.3823370

>>3821126
5e is better than 3.pf

>> No.3823372

>>3821428
>Talking tends to backfire anyway so you best take your shot at killing them before they can kill you.
c >>3821335
>the very first thing I have to do when it comes to new players is having to force players to unlearn everything videogames have taught them.

>> No.3824002

very good game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSBxcm3ZFow&t=847s

>> No.3824024

>>3823372
What video game has every single non-hostile turn on you?
That only happens in pen and paper. In video games you can't always attack non-hostiles.

>> No.3825961

>>3824024
???

I'm saying that you can defuse fights in tRPGs (without running away).

>> No.3825964

>>3819729
So you like missing 90% of your attacks?

>> No.3825984

>>3825961
Maybe in your dreams. Monsters will always fuck you over if you give them a chance.
The only reason to talk to somebody in a tRPG is to build up your own surprise attack.