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/CRT/ Thread - The Third Strike Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:21:41 2017 No.3817601 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread >>3794854
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:29:06 2017 No.3817609 Do most CRTs have a deinterlace mode hidden somewhere? After seeing what 240p through component looks like on my Wii it's hard to play Wii/GC/PS2 games in 480i.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:43:05 2017 No.3817621 >>3817597 Could just be that 480p on an LCD looks better than 480i on a CRT, hombre. I usually play not retro games on modern displays via component myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 11:45:00 2017 No.3817625 >>3817621 I should try with snes station through scart then, will post some pictures later if I can

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 14:17:29 2017 No.3817846 File: 3.65 MB, 4656x3492, P_20170217_202720_vHDR_Auto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fourth for ikegami

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 17:52:17 2017 No.3818331 File: 23 KB, 500x427, upscaleeverything.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >HDTV manufacturers are trying to convince the normalfags that upscaling is desirable I am disgusted at the future

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 19:00:35 2017 No.3818446 >>3817846 i see igekami is already a bigger meme than sony, well done lads

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 19:23:08 2017 No.3818501 >>3818331 Knowing Sony's marketing department they'll probably succeed. I mean they pushed the trinitron meme and everyone fell for it, they can do it again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 19:24:14 2017 No.3818503 The PVM meme? Don't fall for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 23 19:33:18 2017 No.3818531 File: 70 KB, 600x600, 4dcf8549ca32b2499621513e3d9fc2fd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3818501 It literally took the rest of the industry 25 years to catch up to what Sony unleashed in '68. It was a quantum leap.

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 23:41:45 2017 No.3819006

Does a 14" CRT TV and a 36" CRT TV of the same brand and model have:
a.) The same TVL (meaning the larger set has gigantic dot triads by comparison giving equal detail)
or
b.) The same dot pitch (mean the larger set has many more phosphors and can resolve more detail)
?
Also, has anyone observed that larger CRTs are more glossy (thicker glass) than smaller CRTs?
How does this affect the game image in your opinion? Does it change brightness, contrast, or glare levels?

Anonymous Thu Feb 23 23:43:52 2017 No.3819008

What resolution does Xbox Live Arcade on the 360 output?

Will a CRT be able to resolve all their detail or do I need an HDTV to max it out?

My understanding is the upper limit console of SD CRTs is the Wii which outputs 640x480 (854x480 if you enable widescreen mode). Can the 360 unseat the Wii as the strongest console that isn't bottlenecked by a CRT television?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 00:11:02 2017 No.3819046 >>3817601 Anybody know a good switchbox for s-video and YPbPr? I'm starting to get annoyed going behind my set and switching the cables around myself. Something with no lag introduced would be nice.

Anonymous Fri Feb 24 02:26:44 2017 No.3819197

>>3819046
For my S-Video, I use a Sony SB-V40S switch which works really well and doesn't even need an external power supply. I still need to get a Component switcher, most any powered one should be fine and work lagless, just make sure there's no scaling.

If you're looking for an all-in-one, there's a 4 way Radioshack switch for Composite/Svid/YPbPr which looks really cool.

Anonymous Fri Feb 24 03:03:37 2017 No.3819257
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>>3819197
Well this radioshack one really does look like it's a perfect fit for my needs. Only problem is that it's fucking out of stock at actual radioshack, discontinued most likely, so now the only place I can grab one of these is on ebay or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 08:31:41 2017 No.3819494 >>3817601 The third strike, yo... the street fighter three.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Fri Feb 24 13:48:32 2017 No.3819927 >>3819257 I have a Gamestop branded one which is just a rebadge of the Pelican System Selctor which is decent, but it could use more shielding. Has only gotten iffy when I had it plopped on top of my PS3 for a bit, but still.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 13:48:54 2017 No.3819929 >>3819494 yeah that makes sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 15:40:07 2017 No.3820107 Nobody plays turd strike anymore. It's a broken mess and Chun Li has priority on everything.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 15:44:21 2017 No.3820112 File: 9 KB, 255x207, 3s.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3820107 >nobody plays turd strike anymore hmm...

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 16:18:12 2017 No.3820154 >>3817609 no >>3819006 I've seen these posts for days now. Your power level is too high. Just get any name brand crt and give it a shot. I've had good sanyos and shit trinitrons >>3819008 >bottlenecked cmon

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 17:37:33 2017 No.3820297 >>3819008 I'm almost positive I thoroughly answered your question in the last thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 18:37:17 2017 No.3820441 Reddit thread someone was selling new pvm 20l2. Welp it came in. And its really new

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 18:41:05 2017 No.3820453 File: 2.59 MB, 2240x4000, 1487979631276354967927.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3820441

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Feb 24 21:00:28 2017 No.3820716 How much is too much to charge a man for a 14N5? I'm afraid I'm about I go full Jew on some poor, uneducated Florida Man.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Feb 24 21:02:22 2017 No.3820724 >>3820453 Wow that's fucking nice. Please keep the box. Youll probably need it one day. Hell, send the empty box to me if you really don't want it. I could use some properly sized packing material.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 24 23:52:15 2017 No.3821053 >>3820716 $11

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Fri Feb 24 23:57:04 2017 No.3821065 >>3820716 Someone has had an N5(can't remember if 14 or 20) for sale on and off again locally for at least 2 years now, and he still hasn't gotten the original $50 asking price for it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 00:40:25 2017 No.3821145 File: 2.62 MB, 4096x3072, P_20170225_063851.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wish me luck

Anonymous Sat Feb 25 00:56:30 2017 No.3821171
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>>3819046
>>3819197
>>3819927
Pelican system selector here. I really REALLY like this switch. Right now I have 4 things running into it via component but it can hold up to 9 I think. Obvi by the pic you can see it does component, svideo, composite. You push the front panel to reveal the front ports.

Some cool dude sold it to me for $20 and threw in a bunch of cables with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 01:40:28 2017 No.3821235 File: 1.68 MB, 1366x768, roboautist.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Captain PVMeme reporting for duty

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 03:51:36 2017 No.3821378 Did arcade cabinets always use RGB or were they sometimes wired by RF, composite, S-video, component, or VGA inside? What kind of cable and signal did vector graphics games use?

Kya !kDashing02 Sat Feb 25 04:04:40 2017 No.3821392

>>3821171
Nice. I have a smaller, 3/4 input version.

>>3821378
Arcade cabs used RGB. VGA is RGBHV, so you could equate the late 90s, early 00's 480p stuff to "being in VGA". Newer stuff tends to just be running a custom PC inside, so that would be either VGA or likely HDMI or equivalent the newer you get.

Vector is it's own special thing and not something you could refer to as a specific video signal or what have you.

You've got just one primary electron gun(for the most part) and explicit X/Y deflection to draw to the screen rather than the line/field based raster that "normal" CRTs use. Rather than drawing a full picture to the screen to make a dot in a certain spot, it just points directly to that spot and draws the dot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 04:24:05 2017 No.3821408 >>3820441 Congrats. Did it make it through shipping in a functioning state? My XP29 was supposedly nearly new (though it lacks the box), but fortunately I was able to pick it up in-person.

Anonymous Sat Feb 25 09:52:07 2017 No.3821680
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>>3819008
I am guessing you mean the old fat 360 which they labeled as "arcade" which came with 256MB memory card and/or 256MB internal storage (a later branding of the "core" fat 360). If so, I think you can set to your choice of output resolution. On mine (non-modded) which goes through VGA cables to a CRT monitor (GDM-FW900), resolutions from 640x480, 848x480, 1024x768, 1280x720, 1280x768, 1280x1024, 1360x768, 1440x900, 1680x1050, and 1920x1080. I have it set to output 1920x1080 even though many games on the system tend to render at a lower resolution and relies on the system to upscale (?) to the 1920x1080 output. I have to squeeze in the vertical size on my monitor's adjustment settings to a 16:9 measurement as the actual frame of the screen is 16:10 (I have it at 1920x1200 when I switch it over to this computer which is 16:10). As for detail and bottleneck, I have no idea what either means. Sorry if I am not understanding the questions, or more likely my technical knowledge is very poor on the subject.

>>3819046
I have a "GE 4-device audio/video switch" for component (upper right of pic). Unfortunately, it does not have any S-video ports. It is not bad for $20-25USD as it is a mechanical switch, so it does not require power. However, it seems enthusiasts prefer powered automatic switches and superg has the gcompsw which should have a larger 2nd batch coming.

The other switch boxes mentioned, like the Radio Shack one and Pelican/GameStop ones I looked at as well, and they seem nice too.

>>3820441
I am so jealous. In my area, it is too ass backwards to have ever have had PVMs and BVMs for broadcast stations purposes and hospitals all around here dumped their CRTs once those 800x600 LCDs became available and may still even use them. My BVM dream will remain a dream, and if I ever miraculously get the money I'd still have to find a way to ship it from afar which will probably damage a CRT these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 09:54:11 2017 No.3821682 >>3821680 I meant upper-left of pic for image of component switchbox ... I literally don't know my rights from my lefts -_-

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 09:59:58 2017 No.3821687 >>3821680 >not a speck of dust on any of those Why do you hoard so much hardware that you never use?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 10:02:55 2017 No.3821691 My Trinny fell on her head and now degauss sounds like a fart. help

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 10:05:04 2017 No.3821693 >>3821691 Does the tube still work?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 10:08:19 2017 No.3821696 >>3821693 Yes it's fine otherwise. Convergence is a bit off and the yoke is tilted ever so slightly but it werks.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Feb 25 10:12:20 2017 No.3821707

>>3821696
Get in there and check to see if the coil mounts broke and let the bar get out of position. It's really obvious what the coil looks like and it should be almost as obvious where it should be. It's probably touching something and thus the nice old thwomp buzz noise became whatever it became.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 10:21:22 2017 No.3821716 File: 1.35 MB, 2560x1920, 20170107_112852.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3821687 I ... uh ... clean my stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 10:46:04 2017 No.3821740 File: 51 KB, 300x400, crush the ikeas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3821691 did it crush your ikea ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 11:15:24 2017 No.3821781 >>3821235 Toshiba, I see a man of exquisite taste I see.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 11:16:55 2017 No.3821786 >>3819006 a) no b) no c) yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 11:33:55 2017 No.3821812 >>3820107 Sometimes broken messes are better than balanced games. If they weren't Marvel 2 wouldn't have survived for 10 years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 11:36:26 2017 No.3821816 >>3821716 Mmm I do the exact same with my controllers. Feels great that I can lick them afterwards

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Feb 25 11:57:28 2017 No.3821839 >>3821716 THAT'S THE POWER OF PINE SOL BABY

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 12:10:05 2017 No.3821856 >>3818531 that's because it was patented, and then the patent expired

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 12:25:13 2017 No.3821890 >>3821716 >>3821839 Is pine sol better than soap and water? Or just comparable

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 14:02:40 2017 No.3822038 >>3821707 I might just do that. I noticed there's small white blobs on top of the screen, just where the glass meets the plastic. Could it be caused by the dangling coil? >>3821740 No, but it did crush my floor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 14:28:26 2017 No.3822062 >>3821235 LE SCART KA-NABLES MAN

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 21:19:12 2017 No.3822978 >>3817609 With Nintendont on the Wii you can do that with every GameCube game. But maybe your TV sharpening it's too low.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 23:39:47 2017 No.3823292 File: 15 KB, 168x200, 1487037248961.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3821680 You complain about money but have all those expensive as fuck upscalers and switches I don't buy you don't have the money for a PVM let alone a BVM

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 23:47:19 2017 No.3823315 File: 1.49 MB, 2592x1936, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3823301

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 25 23:51:11 2017 No.3823326 >>3823301 >>3823315 I don't recall the hud font and crosshair being that messed up you using some sort of scaling?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 00:15:42 2017 No.3823363 File: 1.29 MB, 2592x1936, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3823326 I was playing it at 480p

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 03:58:24 2017 No.3823820
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>>3819257
I was about to get that radioshack one but now this one caught my eye which is even cheaper.
Philips 4X1 HD, I have no idea how good it is but the seller says he used it for his 7th gen consoles just fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 04:32:36 2017 No.3823854 >>3823820 I've got a similar Philips switch and it works great

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Feb 26 07:03:19 2017 No.3823992 >>3822978 Mind you, they're talking 480i->240p rather than 480i->480p. I know Nintendon't will do the latter fine, but I'm not sure about the former. You can use Swiss for 240p though, but it isn't going to work for every game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 08:02:48 2017 No.3824062 >>3817601 Love CRT tv's!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 16:33:06 2017 No.3824848 Are there any SCART to component converters that actually work well out of the box?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 16:42:17 2017 No.3824869 I dug out an old 15 inch crt vga monitor, and I was wondering if there was a way to get it to display scanlines natively?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 16:46:49 2017 No.3824878 >>3824869 http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Crt#CRT_Monitors

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 21:58:01 2017 No.3825457 Is the Wii in 240p component as good as a Saturn using Scart? Since i most play neo geo on Saturn i was planing in switching over to Wii and benefit from the other emulators (cp1 and cps2).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 22:17:11 2017 No.3825489 >>3821740 different anon. i crushed my ikea with my 32" CRT for a while. now i can't open the top drawer without it squeaking.

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 22:44:55 2017 No.3825542

>>3825489
I have one of those better homes 4-cube things from walmart and my 82 lb ikegami htm2050R resting on top of it has made the wood on the top board feel brittle. Like if I push down on the board while the monitor is off, I feel and hear it crackling.

Oh well, I'm pretty sure it's designed to withstand about 125lb.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun Feb 26 22:50:57 2017 No.3825551

>>3825489
>>3825542
Just FYI, most IKEA stuff is laminate with cardboard core or glue board/pressed board. Not very strong stuff. The Walmart cube shelves are press board too I think? I have two of them for cable storage. They're not really built to support anything heavy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 26 22:55:20 2017 No.3825564 Oh i have an idea. Buy a crt. Thread closed. seriously whats the fucking point of a thread on this topic.

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 22:57:43 2017 No.3825568

>>3825551
can't see much about weight limits here:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Better-Homes-and-Gardens-Square-4-Cube-Organizer-Multiple-Colors/29741114#about-item
but it seems to be holding so...

oh, also I think someone in the CRT collective was talking about you. "Someone from jacksonville."

Anonymous Sun Feb 26 23:03:36 2017 No.3825580
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Friend and I were reading up about Cotton 2, apparently there's an entire input system we barely scratched the surface of. 2 and boomerang make liberal use of fighting game style inputs with quarter circles every which way. It's great, and with the saturn stick it feels tremendous.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Feb 27 05:42:30 2017 No.3826185 >>3825568 >CRT collective Who/what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 07:48:30 2017 No.3826335 >>3825457 Should look as good, though I think there are some RAM limitations with NeoGeo games on the Wii.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 09:38:34 2017 No.3826459 Think I'm just going to go for a 13" pvm. 600 lines is what I like and will just be going on a desk a foot in front of me. Can anyone vouch for one?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon Feb 27 09:45:17 2017 No.3826467 File: 961 KB, 3280x2460, 100_7586.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3826459 600 TVL on a 13/14'' set looks really nice. OP is a shadowmask of a similar/slightly lower TVL and same size, for comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 09:54:09 2017 No.3826474 >>3826459 800 lines on 14" (should be 13" in the US) PVM here, sometimes it's just super sharp. 600 should be just fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 10:04:48 2017 No.3826492 File: 2.25 MB, 4096x3072, P_20160111_150309_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3826459 pic is 14" 750 tvl to give you an idea

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 10:32:53 2017 No.3826549 >>3817601 WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF STREET FIGHTER 3

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 10:52:51 2017 No.3826595 >>3826467 >>3826474 >>3826492 Cool thanks anons. Being cheaper and a little less heavy doesn't hurt either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 10:55:03 2017 No.3826606 >>3826185 thats a facebook group

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 11:47:16 2017 No.3826745 would a 480p signal (YPbPr to VGA through an adapter) show up with scanlines on a high-dot-pitch PC monitor, or no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 11:55:52 2017 No.3826763 File: 1.55 MB, 4096x3072, P_20160716_043115.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3826745 it'll show some.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 11:57:17 2017 No.3826764 >>3826763 sexy. thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 12:00:04 2017 No.3826768 >>3826763 thanks, that looks great. If I hate the flicker on my monitor when it's in 60 Hz mode from my computer, will I hate the flicker from a wii in gamecube mode, or is it a different sync rate?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Feb 27 12:07:38 2017 No.3826778 >>3826606 Huh well I barely use FB but maybe I'll go look for it.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon Feb 27 12:31:52 2017 No.3826827 File: 3.91 MB, 4006x2837, DSC05017ARWs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3826768 Wii/GC in progressive scan mode is outputting 720x480@60hz, so it'll be about the same amount of flicker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 12:43:55 2017 No.3826846 >>3826827 will there be less flicker in interlaced mode, or is there a way to change the refresh rate using softmods or anything?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 12:47:31 2017 No.3826849 >>3826745 no

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon Feb 27 12:51:28 2017 No.3826857 >>3826846 Interlaced mode will not work on a PC monitor. 480i is 15khz sync, PC monitors have a minimum of 31khz(480p)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 12:55:36 2017 No.3826861 >>3826857 unrelated, but does that mean that even with CRT_emudriver, the FW900 can't show true 240p?

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Feb 27 13:13:47 2017 No.3826902

>>3826861
crt_emudriver is for use with 15khz RGB displays, be it professional monitors or just SCART equipped TVs.

You can get an FW900 to display in "240p" by driving it at 120hz rather than 60, which raises the sync frequency high enough for the monitor to use. BFI(Black Frame Insertion) will then take care of any ghosting issues caused by the frame doubling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 13:19:11 2017 No.3826913 >>3826902 how do I use BFI in non-MAME emulators (for consoles like the NES and Genesis)?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon Feb 27 13:23:43 2017 No.3826918 >>3826913 I believe Retroarch has BFI options available.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 13:50:23 2017 No.3826969 1354Q or 14MZU?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 13:59:26 2017 No.3826983 >>3824848 The Shinybow SB-2840 and also the Retrotek SCBV1P3. Both are about the same price around $80 US.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:08:08 2017 No.3827001

>>3825551
IKEA obsessed anon, here. Their website provides a considerable amount of detail on the makeup of their products in addition to weight limits. Their weight limits, in my experience, seem to be somewhat conservative as well. Do some research and the IKEAs will remain uncrushed

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 14:20:27 2017 No.3827037

>>3820107
>It's a broken mess

The better player will always win. Pick your gay Ken SA3 or Chun SA2 and play someone half way decent at the game, you won't win for free or even close to it. Don't try to make it sound like the game is MvC2, which by the way is still a good game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:09:04 2017 No.3827165 >>3825551 Everyone should get grade school desks. Perfect height and the inlet below fits my NES perfectly!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:09:22 2017 No.3827168 >>3826861 You can do it with a superwide resolution which brings the horizontal sync frequency to 31khz. At least that works on a 4:3 monitor. Not sure how the aspect ratio is handled on a 16:10 like the FW.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:50:40 2017 No.3827264

Thinking about modding my N64 with UltraHDMI for that lovely Vi deblur feature. However, my understanding is that it only outputs at 480p or 1080p using HDMI. My Trinitron only has component and I'd prefer it to output at 240p like it originally did so the picture isn't different, only clearer. Is there a way to accomplish this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:54:44 2017 No.3827276 >>3827264 no

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 15:57:55 2017 No.3827284
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>>3817601
>pic related

Anyone know what the aperture knob is for? I see that it's similliar to sharpness but different and more involving.

My question is; should I just turn it off , since we all know edge enhancement like sharpness is not good?

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 16:25:34 2017 No.3827339

>>3827284
>Anyone know what the aperture knob is for?
It's like a equalizer, it will either amplify (or attenuate) a specific frequency band (around 2Mhz and higher) on the video signal (not for RGB usually).
>since we all know edge enhancement like sharpness is not good?
Usually it's not good. You may can try to find a quite low (almost off) setting which looks better for you but test it with many games/colors afterwards.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Feb 27 16:55:12 2017 No.3827394 >>3827264 Just do the regular RGB mod, deblur isn't worth it imho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:55:07 2017 No.3827502 Got a new 14" vga monitor today. It's bright and sharp, colors look great, convergence is spot-on. 48.5khz apparently which is quite a thing for such a small tube. No pic since I can't find my camera battery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 18:56:10 2017 No.3827636 File: 1.37 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_1333x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827502 camera battery acquired. it's an Olivetti DSM28-143PS, by the way.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 18:58:43 2017 No.3827649 >>3827636 >olivetti now THAT'S a throwback

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:00:49 2017 No.3827654 A 1080i Trinitron is being given away. Is it worth driving an hour to pick it up? Sony Trinitron kv-36xbr450

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:02:37 2017 No.3827661 >>3827654 >1080i absolutely not

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:03:51 2017 No.3827664 File: 1.37 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_1314x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827649 yeah it looks pretty old too, but still in great condition. manufactured september 1994, it says on the back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:05:00 2017 No.3827670 File: 229 KB, 1024x768, IMG_1304x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827664

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:12:51 2017 No.3827693 >>3827264 I think deblur is definitely worth it, but yes, you will have to sacrifice being able to play on a CRT, as far as I am aware. Hey, it's not like you're losing any gameplay features, like light guns on NES and various other consoles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:13:59 2017 No.3827698 >>3827654 Hey, it's free, why not? You might as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:15:39 2017 No.3827704 >>3827698 but he might actually try to play games on it

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Feb 27 19:33:49 2017 No.3827760

>>3827394
>>3827264
>>3827693
Or, if you don't mind going for the more complicated RGB mod, there's a firmware for the N64RGB that also removes the horizontal blurring while leaving the resolution and the like alone.

To use that with your Trinny, you'd want to grab a RGB->Component transcoders and the proper cables to use them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:10:39 2017 No.3827824 File: 3.48 MB, 5344x3006, IMG_20170227_191011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally found a fix for Toshiba's shitty grey bars in 4:3 mode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:29:57 2017 No.3827872 File: 59 KB, 182x249, C9WRARV.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827824 >widescreen CRT TV

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:36:29 2017 No.3827880 File: 111 KB, 734x760, wew.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827872 It's 2017 kiddo. Get with the times. It has HDMI too.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:41:29 2017 No.3827884
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>>3821890
Pine Sol is just my choice brand for the soap portion. Use whatever you feel cleans it best. I mix to have it about 20% soap, the rest water to clean. I think those disinfecting wipes and dish soap leaves s sort of residue, but the 20% Pine Sol works fine for me. I know some people like using window cleaner like Windex.

>>3823292
I've mentioned a few times how I got most pictured there at a low price. The only one that is expensive is the gscartSW JP21 edition, which I had to get (and fortunate as superg will not make any more JP21 editions). Granted I am aiming for the stars wanting a 20" or 24" BVM, which will be expensive no matter what. They exceed my income and I don't have the means to get them. Their availability is pretty rare anyway around here. Maybe after 5 more years of tax returns I can afford one, but then I'd have to figure a way to ship it here.

>>3826861
Wait, I have a couple of FW900s. What is CRT_emudriver? What would I need it for? For the longest, I just used my old XRGB2 to get old consoles to work on 31khz computer monitors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:43:13 2017 No.3827887 File: 406 KB, 2193x2617, 1476408047283.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827880 >It has HDMI too >he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Feb 27 21:22:19 2017 No.3827947 >>3827670 Man I fucking mainlined Commander Keen like fuck as a kid. And Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:13:25 2017 No.3828131 >>3827654 Yea go pick it up anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:26:14 2017 No.3828163 Is there ANYTHING I can do to reverse/fix/lessen phosphor decay?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:28:04 2017 No.3828406 >>3828163 How do you mean? Trailing behind bright objects or loss of vibrancy due to tube aging?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:15:21 2017 No.3828709 File: 2.89 MB, 3000x2250, 1465998044157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3817625 meh

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 07:14:02 2017 No.3828823 >>3827824 only gray, poo. my old set had an option somewhere in user menu that could select gray or black.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:03:50 2017 No.3828860
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Finished the ad724 converter. It works, sorta...
For some reason sms ans md don't show colors, or very wrong. But for some odd reason, h32 md games work...
Now to do a cxa1645 version since I received 4 pin oscillators

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:57:08 2017 No.3828940 >>3827704 Could be rad for PS3/360 and current gen. Though the size to radness ratio isn't really reasonable with those things.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:59:01 2017 No.3828943

>>3827884
CRT_emudriver is for forcing your video card to put out a 15 kHz signal. I was confused and thought the FW900 could accept 15 kHz, so I thought I'd need it to emulate properly.

As a switch-hoarder, are there any cheaper alternative to the OSSC I could use to get retro consoles up and running on the FW900? And are there any boxes that achieve "240p" by increasing the sync rate somehow, rather than emulating scanlines in what's really 480p? The former solution would result in a brighter image than scanline emulation, if I understand correctly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:02:57 2017 No.3828947 >>3821145 Good luck on your physics test.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:09:56 2017 No.3828962 I have an aftermarket wii/playstation/xbox component cable. Is there any reason not to plug my wii and ps2 into the cable at the same time, and just have only one turned on at any given time?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:16:19 2017 No.3828971 >>3828962 Should be fine, if it's a solid cable, I've done it in the past.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:19:16 2017 No.3828975 >>3828406 Trailing behind bright objects on black backrounds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 10:01:04 2017 No.3829007 >>3828975 Play with some light in the room.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:44:57 2017 No.3829137 >>3829007 How does that help?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue Feb 28 11:49:22 2017 No.3829150 >>3828860 Might be neat to look into doing a combination encoder/transcoder with the BA7230LS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 12:00:38 2017 No.3829168 >>3829137 ur gay get a late 2000 crt

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 12:24:14 2017 No.3829202 >>3828962 It reduced the audio volume by quite a bit when I did it. Still worked, just had to turn the TV way up. May have also had a dimmer picture, don't remember.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 12:33:16 2017 No.3829216 >>3829168 Mine is a 2001 27 inch Toshiba. Who was still making reliable CRTs in the late 00s? Sony?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 12:44:41 2017 No.3829229 >>3829216 toshiba

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:06:26 2017 No.3829279 >>3829137 try it

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:16:57 2017 No.3829681 why can't I find a YPbBr to BNC adapter? Am I missing something? I can find YPbBr to VGA adapters, but BNC would be more convenient for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:37:49 2017 No.3829704 >>3829681 You literally just need 3 RCA cables and 3 BNC to RCA female adapters

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:45:46 2017 No.3829719
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So i finally have all the components to play my DC games via the Hanzo to my PVM and it's better than expected. Still not sure if its 240p but it seems to be except with MVC 1 and 3rd strike won't show a picture at all. But heres some pics from converting the hanzo to BNC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:53:01 2017 No.3829731 >>3829704 what about the H and V lines? Don't I need to split the 3 video cables into 5 somehow?

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:56:54 2017 No.3829740
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Guys... I fucked up.

I was trying to access the service menu on my CRT but I accidentally reset all the settings. Now all the colors are off and it looks terrible...

I figured out how to get into the service menu properly, but I have no idea what the correct values are.

Would any anon out there happen to have a Toshiba 14AF44 and be willing to share his service menu values?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:00:51 2017 No.3829856 File: 219 KB, 1172x1182, 1488218366128.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3827880

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:10:19 2017 No.3829880 >>3829740 This is for the AF42, but it shouldn't matter. Lists default values and ranges: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/64-direct-view-single-tube-crt-displays/180287-service-menu-questions-fully-calibrating-toshiba-14af42.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:52:16 2017 No.3829960 >>3829880 These work well! Thank you anon!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:53:45 2017 No.3829964 Generally speaking, how much does power cycling a (consumer) CRT contribute to normal wear and tear? Would leaving a set on for many hours (on a motionless screen like a video game paused) be preferable to switching it on and off 5-10 times a day?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:56:56 2017 No.3829979 >>3829964 >Would leaving a set on for many hours (on a motionless screen like a video game paused) be preferable to switching it on and off 5-10 times a day? No. Turn it off when you're not using it.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue Feb 28 19:58:53 2017 No.3829982

>>3829681
>YPbBr to BNC
Dude one of those is a video modulation standard and the other is a connector type.

Do you mean component to RGB+Sync? Why do you need to do this? Most CRT monitors that accept RGB signals accept component on the same inputs. All you need are some BNC to RCA socket adapters.

H and V sync are for VGA (PC) connections normally. Most component signals have horizontal and vertical sync combined on the Y cable. Some folks mistakenly call this sync on green, when it is in fact sync on luminance.

I'm going to need to make some educational videos before selling cables on my site if folks are getting confused by this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:36:58 2017 No.3830030 >>3827502 switched it on again today, aaand... nothing happens. just a black screen and a buzzing noise. oh well... it looked so promising :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:57:57 2017 No.3830052 >>3829731 No just switch from RGB to YPbPr and it should work with just those three plugged in.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 21:01:37 2017 No.3830057
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Just got this Panasonic BT-H1350Y in. I have absolutely no way to plug anything in other than my N64 hooked in through S-Video but it looks quite fine without me even making adjustments.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 21:08:32 2017 No.3830061
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>>3830057
Shame my phone can't take decent pictures off it, it keeps fucking up the color balance so everything appears either too green or too dark. In real life it's much more vivid and properly set than what I'm posting. I was using this screen to check the geometry, but I can't help but feel that it's slightly off somehow.

Kya !kDashing02 Tue Feb 28 21:47:52 2017 No.3830121

>>3829719
>except with MVC 1 and 3rd strike won't show a picture at all.
I can't remember if they did so for MvC, but I know for a fact that for 3rd Strike, Capcom actually disabled the RGB Video mode, leaving you to choose between standard(Composite/S-Video) or VGA.

It's a rather simple hex edit to an iso of the game to re-enable it, and looks great as in the OP.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 21:54:40 2017 No.3830126
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So I got my HD CRT's geometry almost perfect.
I say almost because the entire top half of the screen is shifted slightly to the left. It's not that bad, but I would really like to know how to fix it. The service menu hasn't helped btw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 23:38:29 2017 No.3830274 >>3830030 Oh shit, same exact thing happened to my PVM when it came in. Hope there's some sort of explanation...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 00:01:30 2017 No.3830327 Would putting a fresnal lens in front of a flat-screen CRT make it seem bigger and more rounded, or is that stupid/heresy?

Anonymous Wed Mar 1 00:33:48 2017 No.3830397
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I completed the cxa1645 version, and it works with every console. Unfortunately it's a little too big for the box planed for ad724 version. Also unlike the 1145 version it displays blues correctly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 00:41:50 2017 No.3830409 >>3817601 Such an excellent tv crts are

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 01:50:28 2017 No.3830549 File: 1.73 MB, 2592x1936, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 01:52:02 2017 No.3830556 File: 1.82 MB, 2592x1936, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 02:14:56 2017 No.3830618 >>3830549 >>3830556 Geez man at least pick a good actual game to show off your tube. What display is that anyways, it vaguely follows a philips monitor with that power button.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 02:16:13 2017 No.3830624 Hey /vr/. If I had unlimited funds, where would I have to go and what would I have to do to get my hands on a brand spankin new, extremely high quality big ass crt tv?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 02:37:49 2017 No.3830657 File: 1.25 MB, 2592x1936, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Geez man at least pick a good actual game to show off your tube. DIE Its just a Compaq FS7600

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 04:23:08 2017 No.3830791 >>3830657 This a good crt?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 05:10:15 2017 No.3830852 >>3830791 Someone here said its an "aight" crt

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 06:00:54 2017 No.3830970 >>3821235 >Anonymous 02/25/17(Sat)01:40:28 No.3821 nice glasses

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 06:01:21 2017 No.3830971 >>3830057 >>3830061 Looks great

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 09:35:38 2017 No.3831259 File: 27 KB, 640x640, C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_1481107846431.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3830126 Anybody?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 12:35:27 2017 No.3831556 suppose I wanted to play PAL games on an american TV what would I be looking for, exactly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 13:57:22 2017 No.3831665 >>3831556 A PAL/NTSC PVM would do it.

Anonymous Wed Mar 1 14:39:27 2017 No.3831745

>>3830624
You would probably have to go get one from china, where they're still manufactured, but you'd probably be exposed to a lot of xrays since chinks don't give a shit about human life when cost is at stake.

>>3831556
any crt tv that was manufactured after 1990 or so should run both pal and ntsc shit without issue.

Anonymous Wed Mar 1 15:00:06 2017 No.3831790
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>>3831556
If it's new enough it shouldn't have problems, never tried it myself though so your actual mileage may vary. Most professional monitors come with a PAL/NTSC switch so if you have one of those it's not an issue.

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Mar 1 15:04:21 2017 No.3831798

>>3831745
That may stand true for PAL countries, but not in 'murrica.

None of my consumer Sonys (admittedly all FD) will decode PAL or agree to sync to 50hz either. You could probably solve the latter, but the former is an issue unless you decide to look into RGB->Component transcoders or an external PAL->NTSC decoder which would just end up causing far more issues than it's worth.

Maybe they hid multistandard decoders in their earlier sets, but I find that unlikely. Things will vary for other manufacturers.

Anonymous Wed Mar 1 15:32:09 2017 No.3831867

Yo, /vr/. Picked up a Panasonic CRT a few days ago, I've been using the ports at the back of the TV since the front port causes the image to flicker and become darker relatively frequently. I know the TV itself is fine since the ports at the back are functioning perfectly, but is there anyway I could fix the front one given the problem?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 15:49:09 2017 No.3831909 >>3831259 nobody cares about HD CRTs

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 20:47:13 2017 No.3832473 >>3827824 HOW!??????????????

Anonymous Wed Mar 1 22:01:54 2017 No.3832582
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I'm trying to hook up my OG Xbox to my VGA PC monitor CRT, how do I go about doing this? I need a scaler right? Any recommendations? I might as well spend an extra $10 to get component cables for it right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 23:57:55 2017 No.3832783 >>3832582 If you know how to make a custom cable and mess with custom BIOS stuff, I'm pretty sure there's a way to get naitive VGA out of an OG xbox.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 1 23:59:59 2017 No.3832791 >>3832783 I don't know how to do any of that, I'm probably just going to get a cheap TV from craigslist or something in the end, but I'd really like to use that CRT since it's 1600x1200

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 00:41:52 2017 No.3832863 PVM 2950QM: should I get one if the price is 150 USD?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 00:43:12 2017 No.3832867 >>3832863 Local pick up or shipping?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 00:50:40 2017 No.3832879 >>3832863 yes >>3832867 either way the answer is yes. Might as well take the gamble even if it has to be shipped. $150 is totally worth

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:00:24 2017 No.3832905 >>3832582 If you haven't hacked your Xbox yet, you're doing it wrong. You don't need an upscaler either way, the xbox does 480p with everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:08:15 2017 No.3832928 >>3832905 not him but... should i remove the clock capacitor from my xbox? Is it a ticking time bomb like everyone says

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:10:20 2017 No.3832934 >>3832928 You might not have a choice to remove it. I know the last revision xbox (1.6) can't boot without it. Lucky you can just replace it with a new cap if that's the case.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:11:12 2017 No.3832936 >>3832928 Yes. Just about every clock capacitor is leaking. It's probably not going to die too soon, but the damage will build up over time as the acid sits on the board.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:18:06 2017 No.3832945 >>3832905 >>3832928 I have 3 of them and all were working 100% last I checked All I want to do is play kingdom under fire the crusaders, but it apparently requires the duke controller to avoid a game breaking bug

Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:21:27 2017 No.3832948

>>3832945
>All I want to do is play kingdom under fire the crusaders, but it apparently requires the duke controller to avoid a game breaking bug
I think I was the one talking to you about that in that other thread. I was just playing the game a few minutes ago.

Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:23:40 2017 No.3832949

>>3832948
This is the only /vr/ thread I've been to today

but I love that series, luckily heros fixed the bug

I also have a logitec wireless controller I guess I could have tried

if it's not the controller like one random forum post said the bug might require a 1.6 xbox to fix, or perhaps a 128MB RAM mod

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:50:13 2017 No.3832985 >>3832934 and how do you tell what version of xbox you have?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:51:39 2017 No.3832987 >>3832985 open it up, or look at the manufacture date. Or install homebrew and it should tell you the board revision

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 01:52:20 2017 No.3832990 >>3832985 google exactly what you just typed

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:01:54 2017 No.3833002 >>3832990 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:13:38 2017 No.3833014 >>3833002 You could always just Fuck off. Not retro faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:17:51 2017 No.3833020 >>3820441 What part of Reddit? I sometimes check their hardwareswap since that place generally has crazy good deals on all sorts of shit, but most of the other swap subs seem really sketchy and/or too focused on a niche.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:19:00 2017 No.3833023 >>3818501 It is ok, one day you will be able to afford a Sony and understand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:40:00 2017 No.3833047 >>3829150 >>3828860 so apparently it's known that AD724/5 don't play along with MD, oh well, too bad it's a neat little encoder. I need inductors for the BA7230

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:43:39 2017 No.3833054 File: 340 KB, 600x583, IMG_3726.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3833023 Sick burn. >everyone should waste money buying artificially expensive, obsolete technology! Everyone should fall for the RGB meme!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 02:55:34 2017 No.3833068 >>3832945 >but it apparently requires the duke controller to avoid a game breaking bug How would a controller cause a bug?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:10:02 2017 No.3833083 >>3833068 I don't know, but I just spent $35 to try and resolve this bug, $20 of it was just for an RCA to VGA adapter that I hope works for my CRT

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:11:01 2017 No.3833085 >>3833054 Stop crying. You live in a world where tvs like Sony exist, and when you can afford one you won't have to be as depressed anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:13:56 2017 No.3833094 >>3833083 >$20 of it was just for an RCA to VGA adapter what the fuck are you trying to do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:16:42 2017 No.3833101 >>3833094 Hook up my OG xbox to my PC monitor CRT

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:18:48 2017 No.3833105 >>3833101 Stop what you are doing. Nothing that cheap will ever look right and perform how you expect. I promise you. It is really technical and that fix won't work like you expect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:18:58 2017 No.3833106 File: 42 KB, 799x494, 2580905-three_rca_cable_to_vga_male_to.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3833101 And you bought one of these for $20?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:21:36 2017 No.3833116 >>3833106 I hope he didn't. lol. He needs to pony up most likely $100 or so for proper CGA to VGA. 15khz on a 31khz either will revert to a out of syn range message... or kill the monitor.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:23:50 2017 No.3833121 >>3833116 If he's using xbox, all he would need is that cable (but more like for $3 than $20) and to flash his bios with one that forces 480p RGB out those lines. That's if his monitor accepts sync on green.

Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:29:35 2017 No.3833130
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>>3833105
>>3833106
>>3833116
>>3833121
I picked up this, if nothing else I might be able to use it for my PS2 or N64

I'm going to imagine it isn't that simple though right? Like It'd need a scaler and a bunch of other shit? Probably just going to try it anyways

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 03:41:37 2017 No.3833147 File: 143 KB, 326x367, 1471572739519.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3833130 NOOOOOOPE Nothing will look worse than what you're trying to do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 08:44:48 2017 No.3833575 >>3830274 My Olivetti works again today... not sure what happened.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 09:27:37 2017 No.3833634 >>3833085 SONYs aren't expensive or particularly high end.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 09:51:19 2017 No.3833665 >>3833147 Well I don't really care how it looks exactly, I just need it to work so I can play the games

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 09:53:56 2017 No.3833667 File: 276 KB, 494x658, 03d23e46-fe1e-11e6-85b7-9c8d068f8bb1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/683#issuecomment-283179792

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu Mar 2 10:35:27 2017 No.3833737 >>3833667 Hot garbage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 13:37:28 2017 No.3834084 >>3833634 everyone knows ikegami is the real deal

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 14:00:03 2017 No.3834129 >>3834084 Exactly. They not only made monitors, they literally helped develop arcade games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 14:30:01 2017 No.3834191 File: 193 KB, 1920x1080, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3833667 I was just about to post this. I've been lurking this thread for months. I'm gonna try this on my vintage tv sets. >>3833737 stfu namefag

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 14:51:37 2017 No.3834236 >>3834191 You haven't been lurking long enough if you're going to jump right in and talk shit to jacksonville.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 15:00:37 2017 No.3834249 >>3834236 >reading comprehension I've been lurking the github thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 15:07:10 2017 No.3834261 File: 93 KB, 290x267, wtf-02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3834236 >defending namefags

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 15:08:17 2017 No.3834264 >>3834261 t. namefag.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 15:23:33 2017 No.3834282 >>3834249 >>3834261 samefag

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 2 16:33:50 2017 No.3834397 >>3833737 says the pvmeme jew faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 07:31:06 2017 No.3835659 >>3817601 What about PVM

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 12:19:22 2017 No.3836064 File: 3.01 MB, 4160x3120, IMG_20170303_121549.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Found this Toshiba for 10 dollars. Immediately replaced my 24 inch consumer trinitron. Don't fall for the Sony meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 12:23:31 2017 No.3836070 >>3836064 I have the exact model and I love it, been using it for the past 5 years

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 12:37:18 2017 No.3836086 >>3836064 I have the AF42. Love it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 13:33:31 2017 No.3836186 >all that meta meme trolling

>>	Bought my 2600 in Rumbelows Fri Mar 3 20:00:00 2017 No.3836984 >>3833667 For some reason the NTSC (SDTV_MODE=16) has really bad rainbow artefacts and the PAL, whilst much clearer, rolls vertically. It could do with some work but shows great promise.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:05:56 2017 No.3836998 It's still senseless consumerism even if it's niche.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:21:42 2017 No.3837026 File: 2.95 MB, 4032x3024, 20170303_161830.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3817601 Found this at a goodwill. Should I bite? It's only 7USD but it will go half off tomorrow. My only gripe is how big it is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:24:00 2017 No.3837031 >>3837026 And by the way, I already own a CRT: RCA Colortrax Plus. Would a Sony Trinitron like this be a significant improvement?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:25:50 2017 No.3837036 >>3837026 looks sweet but it's probably rf only

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:27:23 2017 No.3837040 >>3837036 I haven't looked behind it yet, but doing some research, it does appear to have rf only. I'll just stick with my old CRT TV that at least has composite.

>>	Bought my 2600 in Rumbelows Fri Mar 3 20:28:02 2017 No.3837041 >>3837026 I absolutely adore the look of it. Presumably composite is the best input though, right? >>3837031 >RCA I reckon it would be an improvement yeah.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:29:41 2017 No.3837046 >>3837040 If it has OSD of some sort you could always mod it for RGB if you feel up to the challenge...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:35:45 2017 No.3837054 >>3837046 Interesting. Although I would hate to ruin an old CRT like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:42:21 2017 No.3837067 >>3837046 From what I can tell, It's probably from the Early 80s so it may not have the OSD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:52:43 2017 No.3837080 Is Symphonic good? I've heard of literally nobody owning one other than me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 20:55:09 2017 No.3837083 >>3837080 I have seen them around from time to time, usually they are as common as Sanyo. I think they fall under the low to midrange.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:02:20 2017 No.3837091 >>3837083 Certainly. Image is horribly distorted on the edges of the screen.

Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:11:22 2017 No.3837106

>>3837067
It's possible yeah but it looks to be a stereo model so there's a good chance it has a composite input.

Also, note the video button in the lower right. That's another indication it may be more than RF-only. Certainly worth further investigation, especially at such a good price.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:13:26 2017 No.3837107 File: 97 KB, 1000x633, component.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are component cables any good? Do many CRTs support them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:18:19 2017 No.3837114 >>3837107 From my understanding you want to use an upscaler with component to get the best quality, or hdmi mods, or SCART or whatever

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:20:24 2017 No.3837120 >>3837107 Yes if you don't live in RGBville. It's not uncommon, but I think most don't.

Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:29:37 2017 No.3837136

>>3837107
Component is probably the best quality output you can get for NTSC-U systems on consumer displays.
Almost all displays from the late 1990's to early 2000's should support component. Most, if not all, Sony WEGAs will support component, and I believe some PVMs also have support.

Unfortunately, most of what you'll encounter are flat screen displays, so be prepared for some geometry issues.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:33:51 2017 No.3837142 >>3837136 What kind of geometry issues do flat CRTs suffer from?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 21:54:34 2017 No.3837195 >>3837142 corner focus, horizontal linearity

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 22:31:12 2017 No.3837267 File: 2.91 MB, 3584x2016, IMG_20170303_202355.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First picture. From Symphonic CRT. I don't know how to take pictures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 23:11:25 2017 No.3837341 File: 3.75 MB, 2422x2018, 20170303_221110.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3837091 To be fair, my RCA isnt the best either

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 3 23:12:39 2017 No.3837343 >>3837267 That doesnt look too bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 04:10:55 2017 No.3837667 >>3836064 yeah toshiba af42 are the best CRT

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 04:13:55 2017 No.3837672 >>3837267 noob

>>	Anonemouse Sat Mar 4 04:20:58 2017 No.3837680 What's the best GPU released that supports analog? I'm aware it's being completely phased out at the moment, so i'm worried.

Kya !kDashing02 Sat Mar 4 07:21:22 2017 No.3837809

>>3836186
Don't fall for the meme meme.

>>3837680
Most recent offering from AMD would be the r9 380x.

Nvidia would be something from the 900-series, presumably. 980ti still seems to have DVI-I, so that would likely be it. If it doesn't have DVI-I specifically, you're out of luck.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Mar 4 08:01:17 2017 No.3837843 >>3834261 >>3834191 I can go full tripfag if you want, just gotta go find the text file I have it saved in on my home server.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 10:56:13 2017 No.3838094 File: 667 KB, 2560x1440, 20170304_095439.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3817601 It's bright out so it can't be seen well but there's a ps2 and vcr on top. Pretty nice for old anime and retro gaming

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 10:57:45 2017 No.3838095 >>3838094 It's an iLo from 2007, forgot to mention

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Mar 4 18:06:24 2017 No.3838751 >>3838094 RIP

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 18:49:44 2017 No.3838828 >>3834191 I seen this exact set, color and everything, in a local thrift shop a couple of weeks ago. Great to see one that has such a good looking image.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 18:55:06 2017 No.3838836 >>3837843 Please do so I can filter you

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 20:05:44 2017 No.3838967 File: 3.75 MB, 5472x3648, 1450096957735.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone know where to get a AC power cord for a PVM-1350? how specific does it have to be?

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 20:10:19 2017 No.3838976

Someone left a CRT next to my building's recycling area and I took it to see what the big deal was. Dug out my old ass HDD modded PS2 from out the closet and plugged it in. Man, holy shit what the fuck happened that CRTs are a dying breed?

my experience
>skin colors look fucking real with my DVDs
>might be placebo, but I can execute certain moves in CvS2 that I normally have trouble with
>pictures have really amazing colors and I didn't even have to touch any settings

WHAT THE FUCK MAN!? How do we convince Sony to make more?

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 20:14:02 2017 No.3838979
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How do I fix the top? S-Corr hasn't helped with it.

Also the entire top half of my screen is shifted ever so slightly to the left. How do I fix it? Serivce menu didn't halp with that either.

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 20:29:03 2017 No.3839005

>>3838967
it's a really standard 3 prong AC power cord. They are everywhere for as cheap as a buck.

>>3838976
>skin colors look fucking real with my DVDs
SD looks better on SD displays pretty much.
>might be placebo, but I can execute certain moves in CvS2 that I normally have trouble with
definitely not placebo.
>pictures have really amazing colors and I didn't even have to touch any settings
definitely more vibrant than just about any LCD. OLED competes but the life expectancy of those panels shatters that interest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 20:44:37 2017 No.3839038 >>3839005 so, this should cover it?https://www.amazon.com/HQRP-PVM-14N5U-PVM-1953ST-PVM-20M2U-PVM-8041Q/dp/B00NJLF8Z4

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 20:50:56 2017 No.3839047 >>3830121 Ahh ok thanks! Does anyone know if i connect my laptop via my VGA to BNC if it will work? its a ASUS from 2013. Its my only way of playing NEO GEO and Model 2. Maybe i'll even try KOF 98 and 2K2 UM if I can have it work on there as well.

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 21:35:42 2017 No.3839127
File: 2.89 MB, 960x540, $20 RCA to VGA.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>3832582
>>3832783
>>3832905
>>3832945
>>3833094
>>3833101
>>3833105
>>3833130
>>3833147

You guys need to believe harder, the box works

I need to either disaseemble the box, or more than likely cut off the little prongs that are around the xbox AV cable for some reason, it doesn't plug in all the way to the box

Like if this works out well enough for $20? I'm happy, and don't have to go out and buy a TV

Blame the quality on the 3MB limit

My room will be cleaned whenever I have a day off

I need to fix/clean my N64 controller, it's always moving up, though I never really use my N64

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 21:49:19 2017 No.3839137 >>3839127 must have been weird to film something in this room that doesn't fall under the genre of "snuff film"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 21:53:08 2017 No.3839147 File: 364 KB, 1920x1080, Odin-Sphere-Leifthrasir_20160116014254[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3817846 What game is that? Looks comfy like the Odin Sphere hub

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 21:53:44 2017 No.3839150

>>3839137
This is my shed, there are many like it but this one is mine.

Also 2 of my xbox's give me the blinking orange light, which aparently means a bad AV connection...I hope it's just my cables, the end near the xbox is twisted on them

Well attempt to hook up my PS2, don't know where my AV cables are for it

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Mar 4 22:00:13 2017 No.3839163 >>3839147 I want it to be GrimGrimoire (having never played it), but it's probably something else.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sat Mar 4 22:01:52 2017 No.3839170 >>3839147 Princess Crown, Sega Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 22:23:56 2017 No.3839214 File: 310 KB, 1000x1116, PS2 on PC monitor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3839127 >>3839150 My PS2 works on it, I think I just need new Xbox AV cables

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:00:23 2017 No.3839250
File: 2.49 MB, 910x710, Kingdom Under Fire on PC monitor.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>3839127
>>3839214
>>3833094
>>3833105
>>3833147
I just needed to Q-tip the AV cable, working 100% now, just need to organize my room and optimze the settings on my CRT, the box goes up to 1600x1200 as well, or I could do 16:9 and live with black bars

now I just need to test if the duke controller actually fixes the freezing issues in the game

If I had listened to you people I wouldn't have a working set up, never stop believing

Add this adapter to the OP for future threads, it worked for me anyways, image quality seems good enough

It doesn't have an AC adapter however

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001VLO5BC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Portta PETCSVSP AV/CVBS Composite S-Video to VGA Mini Converter upscaler support 1080p

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:08:20 2017 No.3839261 >>3839250 too bad it won't accept 480p

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:08:51 2017 No.3839262

>>3838976
>>might be placebo, but I can execute certain moves in CvS2 that I normally have trouble with
HD displays usually have input lag, which would make things on screen happen later than you input them, but it wouldn't make the inputs themselves easier

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:10:02 2017 No.3839264 >>3839147 It's Princes Crown. Odin Sphere and Grimgrimoire are its sequels. The only thing it has going for it is the sprite animation though, the fighting system is so slow you fall asleep and the backgrounds are not that great.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:18:08 2017 No.3839273 >>3839261 What do ya mean? it's lowest resolution is 800x600 if that's what you mean

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:24:35 2017 No.3839279 >>3839127 Nobody said it wouldn't work, just that it's going to lag and look like ass.

Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:26:44 2017 No.3839281

>>3839279
Looks fine to me m8, and I can't really notice if there's any lag

but I don't have an NES to try and beat battletoads with this set up

I'll have to do further testing, will come back with results

however I did just discover that the game Kingdom Under Fire will Freeze if you are not using the original Duke Controller, how does a controller change cause a game to freeze? And it's only on one specific mission as well, makes no sense I must figure this out

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:26:48 2017 No.3839282 >>3839273 I meant input, not output which is what the 800x600 describes. Not supporting 480p input means the device has to take the 480i from the PS2 and deinterlace it which means quality loss.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:28:12 2017 No.3839285 >>3839282 Ah, well whatever I really don't care, I just need something that works so I didn't need to buy a TV to use my xbox with

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 4 23:33:28 2017 No.3839292 File: 224 KB, 500x330, 1468622655860.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3838979 Any anons know how to fix this?

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:15:41 2017 No.3839352
File: 435 KB, 1224x918, DSCN0959.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

picked up a PVM-8042Q recently (pic related)

i already have:
Sony Trinitron KV27FV310
Amdek Color-I

i also have a PVM 1354Q purchased but waiting on the seller to actually send the thing out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:17:07 2017 No.3839356 >>3839292 Replacing all the electrolytic capacitors in the deflection circuit would be a good start.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:42:10 2017 No.3839396 >>3838094 >>3839127 >>3839214 >>3839250 Please stop.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:56:49 2017 No.3839430 >>3839396 If the quality is good enough, and it saves people $80 or more, why would I post about it? I'd been looking for something like it for a while

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 00:58:30 2017 No.3839432 >>3839430 Okay, I won't argue that your post content isn't quality and helpful, but the pictures look awful. Clean up your room and turn on the lights so we can actually see, or just don't post pictures.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 01:02:05 2017 No.3839442 >>3839432 I don't have any overhead lights in my shed, but I'm setting up for better pictures atm

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 01:30:32 2017 No.3839505 >>3829964 is this bait

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 01:31:27 2017 No.3839507
File: 2.95 MB, 4160x3120, Kingdom Under Fire 20 dollar converter Box.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>3839442
>>3839430
>>3839250

Now of course I have no real way I don't think to really provide a reference on how this thing looks

but this seems relatively close, the image adds more noise I think

but there is certainly some noise, especially on the distant enemies in this shot on my actual CRT

but overall, I'm pretty damned satisfied given the price

input lag next, I do have Halo 2, I can take a picture of that as well I suppose, might be a better reference

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 01:34:46 2017 No.3839516 >>3839507 you never played xbox with more than composite ? Jeezus...

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 01:43:24 2017 No.3839532 >>3839516 Nope, don't think I had anything better than a random CRT with a VHS player hooked up to it I really don't feel like spending the money to get component cables or a modded xbox, and a proper CRT or something

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 02:08:27 2017 No.3839563
File: 529 KB, 1280x720, Halo input lag test.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Seizure Warning

This one I'm probably not even doing right, Halo was a bad choice I guess since it uses the trigger, but from the apex of my trigger pull here(with the trigger already slightly held down, I count 9 frames at 120fps for the gun to fire, although my phone camera automatically puts it at 60fps half speed I think, not exactly sure how that changes things

So is that 9/120 seconds? Or 9 frames out of 120 fps at half speed...making it...something, I must sleep soon

that would be like 4.5 frames at 60fps then right?

if it's 9/120 then it's 3/40th of a second input delay

Don't think I ever had to attempt math like this

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 04:03:43 2017 No.3839718 >>3839127 >RCA to VGA WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT! And clean your room too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 11:20:05 2017 No.3840163 >>3819257 I have the exact same one. Component boxes are impossible to find where I live, and expensive to ship. I got lucky and found two at a liquidation store. Did your remote work anon? Mine didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 11:27:58 2017 No.3840171 >>3839718 >WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT! I mean, it's working fine, and doesn't seem to have much if any input lag

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 12:51:32 2017 No.3840285

>>3839505
No, it's just normie-tier. I have read more than once about dudes leaving a CRT on all the time because somehow they thought the old light-bulb analogy applied...

I myself have learned a lot in the past year. Enough to refrain from posting anything I think I know anymore in threads like this to prevent the spread of misinformation. But the average end-user doesn't care enough to learn about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 13:11:49 2017 No.3840309 >>3839563 Just count the number of times the screen flickers. looks like 5 frames of lag

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 14:41:05 2017 No.3840464 >>3839563 want to play some 1v1?

Anonymous Sun Mar 5 19:20:10 2017 No.3841069

Quick question: Does anyone know of a US supplier for genesis 2 (9 pin din) to scart cables with separate RCA output? Something like this:
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega-mega-drive-2-sega-genesis-2-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead-with-rca-sound
but available in US?

Also, can anyone confirm that those cables + a scart-to-component box like this:
https://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis/dp/B004XSSDPO

will allow for lag-less component output to an NTSC crt from a model 2 genesis?

Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 19:51:32 2017 No.3841138 >>3833054 >artificially expensive When has something been naturally expensive?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 20:07:55 2017 No.3841173 >tfw CRT broke >lost my license after drunk driving accident What should I do now

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 20:36:59 2017 No.3841205 I haven't been on /vr/ in a long time. Where's the best place for cables? Looking for Scart to BNC in Canada?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 20:41:28 2017 No.3841207 >>3841138 Gold

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:03:42 2017 No.3841242 Picked up a Philips Magnavox TV that looks very much like pic related by a dumpster. This a decent TV? Looking to play Genesis, N64, and PS2 mostly

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:15:19 2017 No.3841272 >>3840464 Are the OG xbox servers even still working?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:16:53 2017 No.3841278 >>3841272 If the game supports LAN you can use xlinkkai.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:17:11 2017 No.3841279 >>3841173 kys

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:19:20 2017 No.3841283 >>3841278 >xlinkkai No clue how to use all that, also not too interested, sorry anon-kun

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:21:31 2017 No.3841287 >>3841283 I'm not that anon, just responding to your question, hes probably not here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:22:37 2017 No.3841292 >>3841173 Try not to drink and drive you idiot

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:31:59 2017 No.3841313 File: 257 KB, 1233x876, 20170127_0018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What height do you keep your CRT at? I have a couple of furniture options, one at about 20" and one at 28"... this would be easy if there was only one choice, but alas

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:33:16 2017 No.3841316 >>3841207 >implying that isn't the most artificially expensive thing on earth

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 21:50:46 2017 No.3841331 >>3841313 Eye level is the best choice desu. 13 incher sitting on a desk is GOAT.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:02:11 2017 No.3841347 >>3841279 >>3841292 Stop being straight edge losers

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:03:20 2017 No.3841349 >>3841347 >drinking >drinking and getting in a car accident pick one. the not retarded one doesn't involve being straightedge. If you got in a drunk driving accident, you don't deserve to drive, much less enjoy yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:06:56 2017 No.3841356 >>3841347 Yeah man, thinking you're a retard for drinking and getting in a car accident doesn't make me a straight edge, just makes you look like a loser. Can't even avoid an accident? You're pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:11:37 2017 No.3841360 >>3841356 Ok, you sure showed me haha ;)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:16:32 2017 No.3841365 >>3841347 Drunk drivers are subhuman. Hopefully the next time you'll kill yourself and make the world a better place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:22:59 2017 No.3841368 >>3841347 stop being a license loser

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:27:39 2017 No.3841373 >>3841368 rekt

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 22:44:05 2017 No.3841396 File: 366 KB, 638x480, realghostbusters.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3841347 >"What should I do now that I drove drunk and lost my license?" >Don't drink and drive >"Stop being straight edge losers"

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 23:07:03 2017 No.3841431 >>3841347 You're an idiot. Does anyone have the manual for a BVM1315?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 23:10:51 2017 No.3841434 >>3841360 You are very, very stupid. Enjoy your DUI, dipshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 23:26:56 2017 No.3841461 >>3833667 >https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/683#issuecomment-283179792 Don't do this, use HDMI->VGA and run hdmi_mode=8 instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 23:37:59 2017 No.3841475 >>3841461 >hdmi->vga you're really clueless just like most people here

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 23:46:11 2017 No.3841490 File: 703 KB, 1600x1194, 20160506_0028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3841475 ??? this image was generated with such a setup

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 5 23:47:45 2017 No.3841494 >>3833665 >Well I don't really care how it looks exactly, I just need it to work so I can play the games >saying this in the CRT thread LEAVE THE HALL!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:02:00 2017 No.3841514 >>3841461 How's the Pi as an emulator? Does it beat out the Wii over Component cables? Or having a seperate hard drive for a desktop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:04:16 2017 No.3841521 >>3841205 Bump

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Mar 6 00:12:48 2017 No.3841532

>>3841069
Retro Console Accessories(ebay) will do custom cables if you'd like, and is based in Florida.

And yes, a CSY-2100 clone will give you lagless conversion to YPbPr for your TV. It'd be best to open it up and adjust it for better colors once it arrives.

This transcoder http://www.ani-av.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=220 while slightly more expensive, will give you better results, and can use any regular SCART cable, no audio breakout necessary.

>>3841461
You'd be better off skipping the HDMI adapter and just pulling proper RGB from the GPIO pins.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:17:23 2017 No.3841538

>>3841514
A desktop is the best for speed - my first choice would be an older Intel NUC with VGA + Linux.

The Wii and Pi 3 are on par. They both output the same 240p resolution (720x240p). The Pi 3 has an RGB framebuffer which is a little nicer, but can be a bit more work to set up than Wii VC. I use Retroarch on the Pi. It's too slow to run bsnes and some MAME machines (including the NeoGeo - using fbalpha instead), but I think that's true of the Wii as well. I played through Policenauts for PS1 on it and it worked fine.

Oh, the Pi's built in audio out is workable but you'll probably want something better. A USB DAC or a Hifiberry would be a good choice. Some HDMI => VGA converters also include a DAC, but I haven't tried them.

>>3841532
You mean the LCD TTL interface? You'd need to build a custom board and would just end up with the same quality picture in the end anyway. This is the adapter I used: https://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-Plated-Converter-Adapter-Desktop

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:26:07 2017 No.3841552 >>3841538 Why older CPU?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:30:29 2017 No.3841558 >>3841552 Haswell was the last to have integrated VGA, later you'd need a discrete card or a HDMI to VGA adapter like the Pi. If you're using Windows, this isn't relevant as you need a CRT emudriver supported card, as far as I know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 00:31:38 2017 No.3841559 >>3841552 Presumably for the VGA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 03:30:19 2017 No.3841808 Are Sony PVMs worth the prize? What other companies made good PVMs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 03:58:09 2017 No.3841861 >>3841808 read the op pasta

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 04:36:41 2017 No.3841894 >>3841808 >worth the prize Prize? You are lottery winner? >What other companies made good PVMs? PVM is Sony trademark.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 06:44:52 2017 No.3841978 What's the issue/hate with "HD" CRT's?

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 07:30:39 2017 No.3842021

>>3841978
they scale low-res content the same way an LCD does, introducing lag and essentially being useless on top of being several hundred lbs. That said, they're great for 360/PS3 or current gen shit. That that said, they're still so large. It's hard to justify one at all when LCDs are available for HD content.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 07:39:57 2017 No.3842032
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>>3842021
I have this Wega (pic related) and most of the systems are hooked up by component so would that cause any issues? It's honestly my favourite TV I've ever owned and I've never come across anything that would deter me from using it; just curious is all.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 08:49:29 2017 No.3842097

>>3842032
If you're running 480p or higher via component the lag issue is probably mitigated; the real issues are with 240p content. They're rad TVs, I wish I had space for one for my HD content. They just get shit on here due to poor 240p support, and we are on a retro game board; but overall they're good at what they're good at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 08:52:22 2017 No.3842102 >>3842097 Thanks for the information, anon. I really appreciate it!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 08:59:44 2017 No.3842109 When exactly came Component video? How old are the CRTs that support them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 09:04:53 2017 No.3842114 >>3842102 Of course, I'm sure someone can chime in with more detailed info, but it's certainly worth hanging on to if you've got the space for it. They're truly the last of their kind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 09:32:08 2017 No.3842136 How's Wega different from Trinitron? When I was a little kid my neighbour had a TV that was definitely a Wega, but it was flatscreen! That can't be right as Wega is CRT. Or maybe I'm just confused?

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 09:40:00 2017 No.3842142

>>3842114
If someone does that would be swell, too. The guy I bought it off said he barely used it and he upgraded fairly soon after buying it brand new (rich people). Told me it say in his basement for years and he'd turn it on every week or so just to get the power going, so it was basically brand new and I couldn't have been happier. Only ended up paying $40 which included the matching pillar stand. The picture blows me away on this behemoth. I love everything about it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 11:06:39 2017 No.3842248

>>3842109
component video just means receiving video signals from one source through multiple cables each carrying a different part of that source signal. Anything with component video has two or more cables sending a signal - although s-video is not component as it is a single cable.

The most common is Y/Pb/Pr which I don't know how old it is - although I do own a few monitors from as early as 1993 which support y/pb/pr I think. Then there is RGBS which is a super clean 15khz signal. It separates the red, green, blue and sync values into 4 different cables. This is another kind of component video. There is also RGBHV which separates horizontal and vertical sync into a total of 5 cables.

Consumer CRT tvs started having Y/Pb/Pr available on them probably around the late 90s, although you'll probably want a consumer Y/Pb/Pr TV from the early to mid 2000's. You'll want a 4:3 model because 16:9 pretty much means digital processing which pretty much makes it a joke. Not to say all 4:3 TVs are safe from it, but it's a pretty safe bet. Also, don't mistake Y/Pb/Pr support for 480p/31khz signal support. If you want 480p on consumer CRTs get a PC monitor, but if you want the best quality 31khz signals, multiformat professional monitors is what you need.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 13:14:16 2017 No.3842504 >>3841283 how are you not interested in 1v1 halo 2!? ;_;

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 13:25:10 2017 No.3842523

>>3842109
This might just be crt legend, but I heard that RCA cooked up the YPbPr standard as early as the '60s. Apparently it was a proposed standard during the transition from black & white to color television. Cable broadcast signals would be sent across high-fidelity component cables, color tv sets would accept all three video cables and black & white sets would only need the Y cable, with both signals being sent at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 13:30:26 2017 No.3842534 File: 146 KB, 300x434, 1486593689043.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3842523 >sending that kind of bandwidth long distance with 60s technology

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 14:09:08 2017 No.3842618 >>3842136 "wega" is just what they called their TVs before they called them "bravia"

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Mar 6 14:38:13 2017 No.3842683

>>3841538
Might wanna repost your link.

I just think it'd be best to keep HDMI out of the equation if at all possible, if only to keep anyone from mixing things up and taking any adapter as being suitable. That is, unless that is the case and the edits to the HDMI argument are all that is needed for any of them; I've admittedly not paid any real attention to the HDMI based solution for 240p RGB from the Pi. It and the Pi2SCART sort of stuff is something I'd like to mess around with, but would require picking up a Pi in the first place.

>>3842136
WEGA is an additional moniker applied to Sony's FD Trinitron CRTs TVs, primarily the later models and the HD ones in particular. They also happened to use that branding for their early Plasma and I believe LCDs as well, though this was usually under "Grand WEGA". As the other anon said, Bravia is their equivalent branding for that these days.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 14:40:25 2017 No.3842687

>>3842136
It has a flat faced tube.

Wega was a German brand roughly competing with Bang & Olufsen and Loewe. It was bought by Sony way back when and they eventually used the branding for their silver cased CRTs. This was carried over to the short-lived Plasma range and later gave way to Bravia when LCDs took over.

The first few FD Trinitrons were named just that and a few 16:9 barrel tubes preceded those, branded Super Trinitron Wide.

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 16:05:48 2017 No.3842872

This might be TOO deep a question.

But I'm trying to stream off of a 14m2u using S-video. Capture device used is Hauppauge HDPVR 1 (the one that looks like a grey cable box and has component in the front).

Input is N64 through S-video directly into PVM
S-video out into a DVD recorder.
DVD Recorder outputting Component 480i (I think) and then the component out to the HDPVR

I do it this way because the HDPVR hates 240 signals and will not capture it properly

Everything is mostly fine, except I get this vertical line that scrolls across the screen in a lighter color than the rest of the video image.

I don't think its the cables, but I'm not sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 16:12:47 2017 No.3842883 >>3842872 Do you only get this line in the capture? Should be relatively easy to figure out. Do you see the lines when you plug the component cables into an LCD with the same set-up, minus the capture device?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 16:16:45 2017 No.3842886 >>3842687 Oh ok. They do still provide the usual qualities of a CRT though, right?

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 17:10:29 2017 No.3842965

>>3842886
For the most part yes.

The flat tubes generally have poorer geometry and convergence toward the periphery of the screen due to the laws of physics. Also, Sony's overall build quality took a dive around the time of their introduction for cost-cutting purposes. That said they are newer and often have less use so it's a toss-up if you're not up for tinkering. Lastly beware of HD models if you're intending to use it for 240p or 480i.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 19:22:45 2017 No.3843147 >>3842883 The line is only in the capture. I have a 36 Trinitron next to my PVM stream set up, and the component output from the DVDrecorder to my 36 Trinitron does not have any interference/scrolling line.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 20:21:43 2017 No.3843245 >>3842965 There really can't be a one-for-all TV then right. I'd love a CRT that plays my Xbox and PS2 in component, DC in VGA, and the PS1 in SCART.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 20:48:40 2017 No.3843289 >>3843245 Seems like you'll have to make a compromise somewhere

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 20:51:58 2017 No.3843295 >>3821065 Sounds like a stubborn faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 21:19:44 2017 No.3843349 >>3843289 Youtuber MetalJesusRocks once showed his room and IIRC he had a single JVC CRT to which all of his consoles were connected to. I wonder if it was an HD unit and he connected 6th gens via component/VGA

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 21:43:08 2017 No.3843384 >>3843349 "The Metal Jesus" also plays everything on his retron 5.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:39:28 2017 No.3843460 File: 34 KB, 470x433, 1488162647429.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Someday CRTs will regain popularity enough for major manufacturers to do production runs again, right bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 22:45:58 2017 No.3843476 >>3843460 lol nope http://venturebeat.com/2017/03/03/what-the-death-of-the-crt-display-technology-means-for-classic-arcade-machines/

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:06:46 2017 No.3843501

>>3842683
Whoops, deleted a bit too much of botnet tracking: https://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Gold-Plated-Converter-Adapter-Desktop/dp/B016HL4CAY

DVI (and thus HDMI) use identical timings to VGA - they are basically "digital VGA". Therefore, a dumb adapter that just passes the DDS lines through and has a simple DAC works fine. I think it's possible that more complex HDMI to VGA adapters could insert scalers, which is partly why I picked a cheap one, but I haven't seen one that does that yet.
I didn't actually know about the Pi2SCART before, looks okay, especially nice that it includes the built in audio DAC. However, it seems based on the same R2R ladder that the vga666 is based on, which is "wrong" - it's not linear and doesn't have the correct output impedance. Dunno how much this matters in practice, especially on an imperfect CRT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:28:24 2017 No.3843527 >>3843349 I meant as fas as image quality. He consoles will look better on hdtvs, older consoles look better on crts

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:30:54 2017 No.3843530 >>3843147 Then it's your capture device?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:36:23 2017 No.3843539 >>3843501 Actually, scratch that, did the math and the device is linear. So no complaints here (other than output impedance, but it's probably fine).

Anonymous Mon Mar 6 23:38:51 2017 No.3843547

>>3842872
Sounds like 60hz hum. Make sure you don't have any ground loops - that whole setup is attached to the same power strip, no cable TV or anything. If that doesn't work, try having a single point ground - that'd be the CRT, and everything else should have a 2 prong or be on battery power (laptop).

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 03:05:33 2017 No.3843881 >>3821235 >Marc Duddleston it's weird. it's like he GREW into his own name. if he would have had a sleek, sexy name, he would have been a fashion model.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 04:33:03 2017 No.3843964 File: 90 KB, 1000x750, Sony VPH-1251Q.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone have any opinions on pic related? I've always been interested in a projector but never knew they were so big!

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 05:21:33 2017 No.3844004

I've got a crt with an annoying problem, after being on for a few minutes, or sometimes just when I switch it on, the picture randomly shrinks in by about 5mm on the left side. I could re-calibrate, but sometimes it'll go back out again, and then my settings are worthless.

I'm guessing it's something that's either died or in the process of dying, but what? Can a bad cap do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:06:13 2017 No.3844350 >>3842032 Are black levels on these as good as with normal CRTs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 11:07:30 2017 No.3844351 >>3820107 yes it's broken, but really bc of parry OSes like SGGK

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:35:13 2017 No.3844505 >>3842032 >240p systems connected to an HD TV I hope you don't actually play games that way

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:37:35 2017 No.3844507 >>3844505 homeboy has 2 progressive scan capable machines right there, it's at least a solid choice for those. Not so much for the others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:38:15 2017 No.3844508 >>3844507 3* Progressive machines, didn't see the Wii.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 12:40:56 2017 No.3844513

>>3844505
He clearly has 3 480p capable machines and a PS3 running to it, it would be pretty rad for those. Not so hot for N64 and Saturn, but for the most part it's a good rig. Also those things are awesome for PS3/360 and even current gen stuff. No reason to try and move a 900lbs working HD CRT anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 14:41:59 2017 No.3844701 >>3841205 Is there anything cheaper than retro_console_accessories on eBay?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:09:27 2017 No.3844749 >>3844701 Making your own.

Anonymous Tue Mar 7 15:46:29 2017 No.3844818

>>3843964
I have two.
The picture is fantastic, most support 240p RGB with muh scanlines, plus your standard HDTV resolutions.

But they are extremely high maintenance. Expect to spend the better part of a day getting the picture dialed in, make sure you're comfortable with adjusting the tubes while the set is on, once it's set up you won't be able to move it, and sometimes they just shit the bed for no reason.

I have an NEC with less than 100 hours on it and it needs a complete recap to get it back to working condition. It's in storage until I can find the money and time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 20:04:52 2017 No.3845267 I'm interested in getting an XM29 for the bigger screen size compared to my 20" BVM, but I'm curious how different the picture quality would be. Should I expect a major difference in color quality and sharpness?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 20:11:32 2017 No.3845275 File: 206 KB, 1200x1200, s-l1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-Color-Video-Monitor-PVM-1390-Sony-Video-PrinterJavelin-JV6000-/371868048813

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 20:23:01 2017 No.3845296 Is it true that an upside down CRT has less lag?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 21:45:32 2017 No.3845447 >>3845267 The reason to get it is for the multisync. The picture quality will be a little worse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 21:47:08 2017 No.3845453 >>3845296 depends where you're measuring lag on the screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:09:44 2017 No.3845496 >>3821235 Average SCART faggot. Fat pathetic manchild.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 7 22:18:25 2017 No.3845516 >>3845275 >see what other people are watching >nakamichi tape decks We are hipsters.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 00:04:04 2017 No.3845674

Is there any way to tell the deflection angle of a CRT TV (90 or 115 degrees) without opening it up?

Are flat CRT TVs more likely to have shorter 115 degree tubes because they had to compete with flat LCDs coming onto the market?

Are Japanese CRT TV brands more likely to have deep 90 degree tubes in the interest of max picture quality?

Is it possible to find large (32", 36", 40") CRT TVs that are 90 degree deflection or do I have to settle for 27"?

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 00:59:12 2017 No.3845736
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>>3844505
How come? Saturn and N64 look beautiful on the Wega and I haven't come across any lag. That said, I mainly use it for PS2/Wii (component).

Anyway, most of my 240p systems are hooked up to my Trini so really it doesn't matter in the end.

>>3844513
This, not retro, but PS3 looks fucking gorgeous.

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 01:15:22 2017 No.3845749

Will be able to play this shit and plug it into an old ass crt from a flea market?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Arcade-Controller-Buttons-Joysticks-with-Jamma-Mutli-Game-Board-645-in-1-Pandora-Box-4-for/32720659736.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.1.4E6MLU&scm=1007.13338.71800.000000000000000&pvid=809eeccd-adeb-4098-9a0f-94b959b1830e&tpp=1

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 02:45:22 2017 No.3845857

>>3845749
chinkshit hurts my brain but i think this says vga/hdmi/jamma so no.
if you're just going to hook some shit up to your flea market CRT you can get 2 much nicer sticks and a raspberry pi for a comparable price, and get to choose what games you put on it too

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 03:17:45 2017 No.3845894 So Im going to buy a sony Trinitron soon Im going to mainly be using it to play PS2 and Wii Virtual console games and my N64 Is this a good idea? or am I just better off emulating stuff?

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 03:27:37 2017 No.3845905

>>3845894
PS2 emulation is still terrible, no matter what anyone tells you, and N64 looks completely different on real hardware with a CRT. But it depends on what you want to play, going from something like Goldeneye on PC to the N64 version is unbearable due to the framerate difference.

CRTs are cheap, I don't see much of a potential issue. Plus, you can play some of the games that can't be emulated right on the PS2, like Time Crisis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:24:37 2017 No.3845957 Now that GTX1080s are away with DVI-I what would be the best thing to use? Displayport to vga?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:25:48 2017 No.3845958 Now that GTX1080s are away with DVI-I what would be the best next thing to use? Displayport to vga?

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 04:36:49 2017 No.3845970

>>3845957
All the converters are active, GPU makers have finally done away with the RAMDAC and killed CRTs for good.

980Ti or Titan X is the best you can get, unless some 3rd party decides to put legacy hardware on a newer GPU in a fit of insanity. If you absolutely need new hardware, you can use an active converter and enjoy the latency issues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 08:56:56 2017 No.3846293 how to take a decent picture of a crt with nothing but a phone camera (iphone7) they always come out looking like shit for me and i just want to share

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 10:48:06 2017 No.3846510 >>3846293 Spend a few [insert currency here] on a used digicam with manual controls.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 10:51:11 2017 No.3846517 >>3846293 be in a dark room, lock white level to a bright part of screen, use 1/60 shutter speed does the ip7 even have some manual adjustments

Anonymous Wed Mar 8 12:11:34 2017 No.3846617

howdy folks
modern gamer here
besides playing 3rd Strike on fightcade on my CRT, wich i love, i playon a high refresh rate in modern FPS shooters on my NEC FE990, wich i use at 800x600 @144 Hz
what are some good CRTs that can go higher than that? Mine has a maximum of 160 Hz.

TLDR: Recommend me high refresh rate monitors

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 12:14:54 2017 No.3846628 >>3845957 bought a GTX 970 instead of a GTX 1060 this year, best decision possible i think. cant use dual CRTs without huge displaylag on the 2nd one but i have a flatscreen for 1080p/widescreen content and a CRT for 4:3 content and videogames

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 17:51:57 2017 No.3847229 >>3845957 I've been wondering if this will be the end of PC CRTs, but I'm pretty sure that you can use a second older video card just for the video output.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 19:38:14 2017 No.3847371 File: 2.01 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where are the TVs? /vr/ said there would be TVs here. All I see are busted VHS/DVD players and stereos.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 19:43:49 2017 No.3847376 >>3847371 Goodwill and most other major thrift store chains stopped taking CRT's years ago. If you can find independent shops they usually have some kicking around still.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 19:59:46 2017 No.3847414 >>3846510 nah that's gay

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 8 20:00:48 2017 No.3847418 >>3846617 post your fightcade

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 01:11:50 2017 No.3847976
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>>3845894
If size and budget isn't an issue just invest in a PVM 14m4u or 1354q. They do Composite, sVideo, Component, and RGB. Your consoles will look amazing on it, and your 64 will be bearable.

If a 14inch pvm isn't within your budget I'd say hold off on getting a CRT for a while until you can get something really nice.

>>3845905
>N64 looks completely different on real hardware with a CRT
Still looks like shite though

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 01:12:14 2017 No.3847978 >>3847376 Not all goodwills

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 02:45:40 2017 No.3848053

>>3845957
>>3845970

As I mentioned earlier, a DVI-D or HDMI to VGA converter adds no additional latency - it's just a dumb DAC. This will be a viable solution for years to come.

Displayport also loosely follows traditional timings, so with a CEA mode in theory you should only get a micropacket or two of latency (less than one scanline). But I've never tested this, results not guaranteed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 04:59:42 2017 No.3848154 >>3848053 I'm going to have to test this at some point, I'm the 1 in a million case where any added latency or signal processing will actually make my monitor worthless, because I use it for light gun games.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 05:06:05 2017 No.3848159

>>3847976
>>Still looks like shite though
I was legit blown away by my N64 when I ran it for the first time with an RGB mod on my PVM. It was like "so this is what OoT is SUPPOSED to look like". The render distance limitations actually worked, the insides of huts looked normal instead of shitty pre-rendered graphics, and the clearly 2D fences looked 3D and part of the world in the opening cinematic.

Then I tried out Goldeneye and wanted to kill myself because the framerate was so terrible. Say what you will about the post-processing on the N64 making the image too soft or whatever, it's how they were intended to be displayed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 05:50:03 2017 No.3848183 I have never used S-Video in my life. Is it "region locked" like Composite, or would work just fine on PAL monitor (Panasonic), like RGB does?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 06:48:21 2017 No.3848229 >>3848183 svideo uses the same subcarrier frequency as composite, so you need a multistandard tv/monitor

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 06:48:59 2017 No.3848231 File: 2.84 MB, 640x360, goldeneye_frame.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3848159 >goldeneye's framerate is unplayable terrible meme Only true on Jungle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 06:59:34 2017 No.3848241 >>3848231 It's the constant dips and peaks that make it unplayable for me. If it was a (mostly) solid 20 like OoT, it wouldn't be as bad. Going from 30fps staring at the ground to 20fps if there's ANYTHING on screen is just awful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 07:11:26 2017 No.3848263 >>3847414 Says the guy with an iPhone...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 07:32:26 2017 No.3848286 >>3848263 woah sick burn there. no one wants a point and shoot digital camera.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 07:33:38 2017 No.3848289 >>3848286 don't ask for crt pic advice then

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 07:36:20 2017 No.3848293 >>3848289 I'm not that guy. His iPhone camera is better than cheap 3MP point and shoot anyway, he just needs a 3rd party camera app with manual controls. I take all my CRT shots with an iPhone SE and he has a better camera/phone; I've never had issues.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 07:38:05 2017 No.3848295 >>3847371 It looks like they only take in shit that crackheads couldn't pawn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 08:46:13 2017 No.3848340 >>3848293 help him out then

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 08:53:07 2017 No.3848348 >>3847976 >>N64 looks completely different on real hardware with a CRT >Still looks like shite though yeah despite the clearly more advanced visual effects on N64, even competently made saturn 3D games are more visually appealing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 08:57:17 2017 No.3848352 >>3848348 This was proved wrong some threads ago with webm console captures. People really have rosy eyed goggles when the Saturn is involved.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 08:58:26 2017 No.3848354 >>3848352 visually appealing, not more advanced. Saturn is a 3D mess but the solid efforts from a few teams really hold up. N64, not so much.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:05:20 2017 No.3848369

>>3848354
Visual appeal is somewhat subjective, but it's difficult to take Saturn's visual appeal in 3D seriously when you're looking at much lower polygon counts, texture resolution which is no better but has color banding up the ass, barely any special effects, and messy 3D.

I mean sure, if you compare Virtua Fighter 2 against Superman 64, then yeah, Saturn looks more appealing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:09:13 2017 No.3848383 >>3848369 I would rather be playing duke or exhumed than any n64 fps

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:09:37 2017 No.3848385 >>3848369 or if you compare panzer dragoon from 1995 to turok 3 from 2000. The several filters on n64 games hurt the image more than anything. Filtered low res textures and a filtered image ultimately hurt the presentation.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 09:26:57 2017 No.3848416

>>3848385
Unlike Saturn, the N64 does competent dither filtering which removes 90% of color banding, but the trade-off is blur. Pick your poison. As for textures, like-for-like resolution will (almost) always look better with filtering. The average Saturn 3D game did not have higher texture resolution than the average N64 game, though PS1 did.

Turok 3 is a rather interesting case because the low-resolution mode is sub-240p and the high-resolution mode is half-way between 240p and 480i. Panzer Dragoon also ran at sub-240p (320x224).

If we're judging visual appeal purely by sharpness (a rather questionable premise), Panzer Dragoon will look sharper than Turok 3 in low resolution (due to the latter game's competent dither filter) while less sharp than the game in high resolution (as higher resolution will almost always prevail for framebuffer sharpness, even when filters are involved).

Abwezi Thu Mar 9 11:37:46 2017 No.3848613

/vr/ I'm currently attempting to create a rig for connecting my PC to my CRT using VGA to SCART and a CSY 2100 clone converter to turn that signal into component for my trinitron but the last component I'm confused about is the VGA to SCART cable & converter. I ordered a standard VGA to SCART cable off of ebay and discovered after attempting to use it that it doesn't suit my needs as for this kind of connection the consensus online is that you need a cable designed to combine the sync signals afaik. Primarily all I can find online are schematics to build one but I have no knowledge of soldering. I'd like to know if this "syncblaster" cable I've also found on eBay may be able to succeed where the last didn't: http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/161873284818 or if there are any premade vga to scart cables with combined sync available online any of you may know about? Tell me if I'm shit out of luck and have to learn how to solder /vr/

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 12:36:59 2017 No.3848693
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>>3848613
Why bother with all that hassle and crappy converters/cables when you could pick up an Extron VSC for cheap on eBay?

Well-engineered one box solution is best solution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 12:46:03 2017 No.3848706 >>3848693 +$500 S&H

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 12:48:19 2017 No.3848712 >>3848706 Where the fuck are you? Papua New Guinea?

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 13:02:38 2017 No.3848727

Anyone mod their NES / Famicom for RGB yet? Why did no one tell me that we don't need a PPU from a Playchoice-10 anymore? Read this shit in detail last night and now I'm all fired up. What's the best Famicom? Need to be able to play JP Castlevania 3 and Gimmick! with the kicking tunes.

http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 13:39:32 2017 No.3848786 >>3848727 Because it's still retard expensive, and requires a fuck-ton of de-soldering work. Just get a Wii.

>>	Abwezi Thu Mar 9 14:02:29 2017 No.3848828 >>3848693 Won't that still give me a 480i signal?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:24:35 2017 No.3848880 Has anybody bought CRTs off of sites like govdeals and publicsurplus?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:35:47 2017 No.3848896 >>3848786 You mean the Wii that I ground the chip down on, soldered directly to its interior copper, and installed my modchip on right after launch? Yeah I think I've got that covered. Stay poor, stay pleb. I'll be pushing RGB from my NES in no time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 15:13:54 2017 No.3848946 >>3848154 You use light gun games with an emulator? I assume frame level ones like the Zapper?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 15:58:09 2017 No.3849002 >>3848946 The zapper is one of the more simple types, but yeah, basically. Even comes with it's own hardware initiated full-screen flash for accuracy, at 800x600 it's absolutely pixel perfect every time.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 16:07:47 2017 No.3849016

>>3848727
The AV Famicom is the best model by far. RGB modding a Fami with the NESRGB kit is fake as hell though. You're just sticking a PPU emulator inside the machine, you might as well get a Retro USB AVS or one of those RGB capable clones on AliExpress for $150. PC-10 is the only legit way, but if you gut a PC-10 board I will find you.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 16:19:17 2017 No.3849039

>>3844818
I'd be using it for 6th gen purposes mostly.

I don't know if I'm ready for that high maintenance. Do you mean actually cracking it open and adjusting the tubes like that or simply going through some settings to get a nice picture.

The one I'm looking at has 365 hours on it. I'm not too savvy when it comes to cracking open hardware and requiring shit, maybe this isn't for me.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 16:38:09 2017 No.3849063

>>3849039
365 hours is extremely low. The blue tube would barely have any noticeable wear at that level.

And yeah, maintenance and setup is pretty intensive. You have to adjust focus and deflection coils, the yoke, and several other physical adjustments on each tube, or else you're going to have a soft/badly converged picture. You may also have to drain some of the glycol coolant to get rid of fungus and to prevent the tube face from cracking, if it's an older set.

You also have to make sure you have adequate space between the projector and the wall. If you're trying to throw a small image in too short a space, the raster will be improperly sized and will lead to early tube failure.

They're pretty high-maintenance and the usable lifespan is only 4-7 thousand hours, depending on how picky you are.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 16:46:11 2017 No.3849072

>>3849039
To give you a good picture of how complicated setting one up can be, just the setup manual for my NEC 9PG is 135 pages. Not the service manual, just the setup manual.

Not to discourage you though. A properly calibrated CRT projector will throw a stunning image, looking closer to film than a digital projector would. Once you get familiar with the adjustments on your set, it should be easy, just time consuming.

Check out curtpalme.com, there are setup and service manuals for nearly every major model of projector, and a forum that is still very active.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 16:47:42 2017 No.3849073 >>3849016 The NES original palette and original PPU are fake as hell also. No such thing as original palette. If there were then the Playchoice-10 would push the same colors to the monitor.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 17:12:36 2017 No.3849124

>>3849063
You make this sound very overwhelming for me.

>>3849072
You make it sound more manageable.

I think it might be too much excess for me. I already have a 20' bvm and 36' trini. I'm not sure if I could make with a 2x3 foot projector in my apartment.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 17:16:46 2017 No.3849130

>>3849073
What? Of course there's no defined palette, but how does that make the original PPU fake? My thought is:

Original PPU = Composite only and subjective palette, it is what it is where it is displayed

PC-10 Palette = 'canonical' RGB palette, and technically the SHARP Famicom Titler has it's own separate RGB palette as well.

Faking a composite palette with a PPU emulator? Fake-ass Nintendo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 17:40:12 2017 No.3849179 >>3848613 http://arcadeforge.net/UMSA/UMSA-Ultimate-SCART-Adapter::57.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 17:48:02 2017 No.3849198 >>3849130 P22 phosphors are fucking fake too so anyone with a Trinitron in this thread is fake-ass. Real men use SMPTE170m phosphors because we're not little bitches. And we use 'Trons with them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 17:49:34 2017 No.3849201 >>3849130 >he thinks all CRTs display color the exact same way laughingjapanesegirls.jpg

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 18:31:15 2017 No.3849281

>>3849124
I was reading some old forum where someone was asking about the VPH-12511q. He was asking if it was a good starter projection CRT. He sounded like he had a similar knowledge level as me(close to nothing)

Someone chimed in on his question and mentioned that he knew nothing about CRT projectors but managed to set his up fairly quickly by following the setup manual.

I have more confidence now in getting this projector. I'll probably keep it in storage until I'm ready to unleash 70+ inches of glory on an open wall. Maybe I'll consider getting a ceiling mount as well in the future.

Does anyone know if it accepts ypbpr or does it only do RGB? Crazy to think something like this costed 14k when it was new

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 22:59:44 2017 No.3849809 File: 102 KB, 241x228, 1362960884712.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >when you realize how many perfectly good PVMs were thrown in the trash by people who didn't know any better

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 23:15:06 2017 No.3849842 File: 45 KB, 424x424, 1480210595802_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3849809 >using past tense for something which is more than likely still occurring on a daily basis

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 23:15:49 2017 No.3849843

>>3849016
I agree with your choice of console revision but you seem to have no idea what you're talking about regarding the NESRGB mate.
If the FPGA fully emulated the PPU you wouldn't still have to mount the PPU on top of the NESRGB to begin with.
The PPU still corresponds with all the other components of the NES/Famicom as if it were directly mounted on the PCB and doesn't behave any different. Composite video still functions like it would in a stock console and there's literally no difference in how games run.
What the FPGA does is intercept certain data the PPU outputs and then generate an RGB signal image from that.
Now you can still nitpick about the palette being fake or whatever but since composite doesn't have a defined palette and every CRT displays it a bit different anyways I wouldn't really give a shit about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 23:17:51 2017 No.3849850 File: 9 KB, 175x217, 1488347956344.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3849809 >>3849842 >dad dies >"Why did dad have all these old TVs?" >"I don't know, just throw them in the dumpster with all those old video games he was hoarding"

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:08:52 2017 No.3849939
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should I buy this? It has native 240p output for muh retro vidya.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/YG300-LCD-Portable-Projector-400-600-LM-Mini-Projector-for-Video-Games-Home-Theatre-Movie-Support/32713305932.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.ssPXhS&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_10501_10503_433_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_20501_20503_10056_10055_10054_302_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10051_10106_20517_20515_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124-20503_20501_10503_10501_20517_20515,searchweb201603_2,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_4,single_sort_0_default&btsid=6237ad4b-f4c3-4bc4-b2cc-b71006c6dfc6&algo_expid=7a87333e-a49c-4eb4-b412-f1a62bb71042-0&algo_pvid=7a87333e-a49c-4eb4-b412-f1a62bb71042
what could possibly go wrong???

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:10:21 2017 No.3849942 >>3849939 No, they're all going to be shit, but just check amazon it has a ton of projectors https://www.amazon.com/Projector-Warranty-Included-Multi-media-Portable/dp/B01N6NZ0BA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1489122588&sr=8-3&keywords=Projector

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:14:47 2017 No.3849949 >>3849942 but thats a 800x480 native projector. not good for 240pee

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:18:19 2017 No.3849950 >>3849949 I'm pretty sure it scales

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:31:06 2017 No.3849961 >>3849950 you are missing the point. I dont think projectors do scanlines anyway so nevermind. guess im stuck with the crtmeme

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:32:16 2017 No.3849963 >>3849961 I'm pretty sure this is the same projector and it has terrible reviews https://www.amazon.com/Projector-ELEGIANT-Portable-Outdoor-Entertainment/dp/B01HXXW18A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1489122588&sr=8-7&keywords=Projector

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:34:37 2017 No.3849967 >>3849963 I wouldnt be trying to watch Avatar in 4k on the fucking thing so i dont care about reviews as long as it doesnt catch on fire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:48:24 2017 No.3849980 >>3848159 RGB mod affects frame rate?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:51:20 2017 No.3849986 >>3849967 Just be sure to keep it in a metal cotainer with a hole cut for it

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 00:53:52 2017 No.3849991 >>3849967 >I don't give a toss about quality so long as it's big and cheap Why are you here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:01:16 2017 No.3849997 Are there any US consumer televisions that take SCART?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:02:23 2017 No.3850002 >>3849997 Probably not no

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:23:39 2017 No.3850047 >>3849997 Just import or find someone selling a european tv that supports ntsc & pal. Sony made consumer euro tvs that supported ntsc & pal scart. Americans got the shittiest consumer stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:33:29 2017 No.3850063 >>3850047 It better do everything between 50 and 60 Hz also for muh arcade PCBs

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:36:12 2017 No.3850071 >>3850047 It's just weird that something so obscure is so popular. I mean, why not YPbPr component? I doubt there's much of a visual difference.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:48:45 2017 No.3850087 >>3850071 consoles didnt support ypbpr component until the ps2. they should have just agreed on 1 RGB video standard and made it avaliable world wide.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 02:15:34 2017 No.3850120 >>3850071 If old consoles supported component, no one in the USA would be using SCART. It's what the consoles can run, not the love of TVs or cables.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 02:25:39 2017 No.3850124 >>3850120 Most consoles can't run SCART either, though? At least, not without mods.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 02:46:24 2017 No.3850139 >>3850124 most can natively output rgb via scart cables. only some 8-bit machines and nintendo decided to disable rgb out.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 02:47:09 2017 No.3850140

>>3850124
>Most
NES/Famicom: can't (except for one revision)
SNES/Super Famicom: some of them can't, some can
N64: can't
Atari systems: can't
PC Engine: can't
PC-FX: can't, no mod available

SMS, Megadrive, Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, NeoGeo systems

So, 6vs6 if we count all "relevant" systems.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 03:04:57 2017 No.3850152
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>>3849997
there's a few RCA crt TVs and some rear projection TVs that had an "EIA multiport" which was just scart. RCA even described it as a new standard in the manual that would eventually be on everything, but explicitly stated it wouldn't support RGB. I don't think anything ever ended up using it.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 06:00:21 2017 No.3850351

>>3849997
no but there was a barrel tube XBR with rgb port. it is a wierd format though and requires an unobtanium breakout or a custom one.
>>3849850
they'll sell them all.
>>3850140
I'd say it's 5 vs 7

snes jr is the only one that doesnt into rgb natively.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 06:14:09 2017 No.3850361 >>3849980 No the framerate of Golden Eye is fucked to begin with

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 09:16:02 2017 No.3850545

>>3849843
Oh I very much understand, I just think offloading PPU functions to a modern FPGA to generate a signal that the system isn't capable of is pretty goofy tbqhfamicom.
>>3849201
I literally said the opposite of that
>subjective palette, it is what it is where it is displayed

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 10:28:42 2017 No.3850627 >feeling like some genesis games >pvm makes a loud humming noise and 'pulses' (screen goes dim and lightens back up like some kind of heartbeat >doesn't do this with any other system wew lad back to ps1 i guess

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:09:23 2017 No.3850831
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I just found and cleaned up a Panasonic DT-D1300D but was disappointed to find this shitty connector on the back for RGB. 20 pins, three rows, zero ideas.

Does anyone have info on this connector? I'm thinking it's proprietary and impossible to deal with since I've come up with nothing on google.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:26:49 2017 No.3850857
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>>3850831
Wew lad, how old is that thing?

Looks like it was intended to be connected to the color adaptor for a Portapac EIAJ VTR, part of an extremely ancient form of camcorder type system.

Not getting much joy on locating a pinout though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 13:51:35 2017 No.3850905 >>3850857 I looked also, Google a shit. What I'd like to look up now is whether anyone's actually succeeded in turning a normal TV into an RGB-capable display using the onscreen menu system. Who knows?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:04:31 2017 No.3850925 >>3850905 >What I'd like to look up now is whether anyone's actually succeeded in turning a normal TV into an RGB-capable display using the onscreen menu system. There's a whole thread on shmups of people doing that.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:52:21 2017 No.3851004
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>>3850857
Incredible! This TV was manufactured circa '83, mine is from 9/1984. Maybe Panasonic needed to find a way to reuse these headers. That photo came from an ebay auction that also pictures the cable which has a 9 pin d-sub connector.

With a pinout maybe I could just use female jumpers to connect up a 15 pin VGA plug. I do have an oscilloscope, but have no experience with it. Maybe someday (never) it will happen!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:03:23 2017 No.3851020 >>3850905 http://mikejmoffitt.com/articles/0032-tvrgb.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:26:39 2017 No.3851081 >>3851004 Do you have a multimeter?

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:37:41 2017 No.3851116

>>3817601
What would be the best emulators for my laptop?

The specifications of my laptop are

Processor: AMD E1-2100 APU with Radeon (TM) HD Graphics.

Installed Memory (RAM): 2.00 GB (1.47 GB usable)

System Type: 64-bit operating system, x64 prosaser

I have windows 10 Home Single language.

And I have 412 GB of available 440 GB of available space

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:47:46 2017 No.3851134 >>3851116 ...and this relates to CRTs how?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:57:20 2017 No.3851162 >>3851081 Yeah! I build synths and circuits and stuff. Is there a guide to meter out RGB pins? I also happen to have a 15 pin d-sub connector and female jumpers that would let me hack together a cable.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 16:16:18 2017 No.3851210

>>3851162
>Is there a guide to meter out RGB pins?
If these RGB inputs are analogue then you should be able to measure 75ohms to ground (termination) but first figure out which pins are ground (measure if it's shorted against the ground of the RCA jacks). Figuring out which ones are sync and what kind of sync it accepts is another story.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 17:30:03 2017 No.3851374

>>3851210
Thanks, I'll find ground and 75 ohms, from there maybe trial and error? I will look into RGB more and try to map it out. It's got to be just nine pins out of the 21, and I guess what I'll end up with is a vga d-sub with 9 spaghetti jumpers shoved over each pin... Better than nothing!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 17:32:20 2017 No.3851376 >>3850857 >Portapac EIAJ VTR There is a toggle switch for Service, Normal, and VTR on the back. I'll look into it some more later tonight, never heard of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 17:37:23 2017 No.3851382 >>3851134 Maybe he wants to push RGB to a CRT from it using crt_emudriver. Probably not though since he thinks a CPU is called a prosaser.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 17:37:51 2017 No.3851386

>>3851376
I wish you the best of luck. Perhaps Matsushita themselves can help? If you do happen to find it please let this dude know:

http://www.labguysworld.com

He's been searching himself and is considered something of an authority in these matters so it must be pretty elusive.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:23:24 2017 No.3851467
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Transcript of 1986 RCA product development meeting:

>CEO: So, the Dimensia range. What have we got?
>Chief designer: Well sir, it's big. Real big. We'll have to lay on extra shifts at the simulated woodgrain to satisfy production demand...
>CEO: Great! I love big wood. Keep it up!
>Chief designer: Thank you sir. Just one issue. It's the back. I can't seem to fill it. We need bigger connectors on there. RCA jacks simply can't cut it any more.
>CEO: Hmmmm...
>CTO: Sir, I think I may have a solution. In Europe they have a connector called SCART. It's big. Real big, and can do all sorts of things.
>CEO: Tell me more.
>CTO: Well sir, it can carry composite video in and out simultaneously for VCRs and such. It can automatically switch on connected devices and select the appropriate input when those devices are switched on. It can switch the TV to 16:9 mode when fed an appropriate signal. It also has support for RGB and enough pins left over to accommodate future signal standards. I hear Matsushita is developing an enhanced VHS standard using separate luminance and chrominance signals. Rumour is it will be called Super Video and we need to future proof. This connector could make out sets the envy of the world.
>CEO: Big...okay, I like the sound of it. Does the EIA have this thing on their books yet?
>CTO: Not yet sir. Would you like me to speak to them?
>CEO: Most certainly! Make sure they simplify it though. Take out all that artsy fartsy stuff you talked about but it needs to be BIG.
>CTO: Sir...
>CEO: Great seeing you guys! Pencil us in 9 months from now for the launch meeting. Now, where are my golf clubs...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:37:50 2017 No.3851491 >>3851467 they were probably thinking composite RCA video produced more colors anyways fuck bongs and japs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:40:59 2017 No.3851503 >>3851491 You're probably right. All the colors of the rainbow banding.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:47:52 2017 No.3851513
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Finally managed to make a RGB connector for genesis, for use on a CRT monitor (SyncMaster 957 DF) (Via dedicated R-G-B-H/HV-V BNC plugs), and I get pic related. The first part hovers between ~15.8kHz & 16kHz, and the 59Hz and NN stay where they are. Does anyone here know what I'm doing wrong?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:55:26 2017 No.3851525 >>3851513 That monitor has a horizontal refresh rate between 30 kHz and 96 kHz. Of course it won't sync.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:55:59 2017 No.3851526 >>3851513 What gave you the impression that monitor could sync a 15khz range signal? Protip: You wasted your time

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:02:41 2017 No.3851531 >>3851513 Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:22:06 2017 No.3851554 >>3851513 it's not so simple you need a monitor or device that syncs on green or has 15khz horizontal

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:27:05 2017 No.3851562 >>3851513 Why would you think it would be that easy when everybody else is hunting down PVMs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:36:10 2017 No.3851582 >>3851525 >>3851526 >>3851531 >>3851554 >>3851562 ... Welp, clearly a major case of not reading the documentation before hand on my part. At least I have the cable for when I do get a proper RGB monitor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:47:57 2017 No.3851607 >>3851554 What does SoG have to do with anything?

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:09:09 2017 No.3851650
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>>3851467
>It can switch the TV to 16:9 mode
Dude, that happened a decade later.
>It can automatically switch on connected device
I seen the other way around.
Some sets are able to be turned on from standby by external devices.

Also the original reason for RGB was that SECAM doesn't mix well with inserted signals like OSD generated by a device like a VCR or satellite receiver (pic related), so the device could just output plain composite SECAM and let the TV overlay the OSD by using the additional RGB input and it's enable signal (these 1-3V on pin 16, the word 'fast' in it's description means it the TV can switch between composite and RGB quickly with about 10 nanoseconds).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 12:39:51 2017 No.3852943 I have a consumer tv (jvc) with blurry edges while the center is perfectly crisp. Any thing that can be done to fix it up?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 13:01:40 2017 No.3852985 >>3852943 Unless the service menu offers some very fancy convergence settings (probably not), no. CRTs are calibrated to be clearer in the center of the screen, so it's pretty normal.

Anonymous Sat Mar 11 15:25:46 2017 No.3853246

I've got a PC CRT with a weird issue. Sometimes, the screen will get a mild green tinge. But depending on what's displayed on screen, it can get worse or barely noticeable. If I've just got a window open, it's fine. But if I drag the window around so that the greyish header gets closer to the bottom of the screen, the problem gets even worse, and vice versa. And then it just disappears again.

At it's absolute worst, the screen was super green tinted with white lines every inch or so running horizontally at about a 20 degree angle.

I thought maybe it could be the VGA connector, so I cleaned them all up, but it didn't change anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 21:34:53 2017 No.3854072 File: 3.11 MB, 4160x3120, IMG_20170311_212620.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just another pic of my little Toshiba.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 23:13:41 2017 No.3854263 File: 1.68 MB, 2141x1850, Sony_KV-32S42.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys, i don't own any retro consoles yet but saw this Sony tv in my thrift store. is $30 good price for this?

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