/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3814237]

Why is this the only memorable "console war"? People still debate about it to this very day.

[Anonymous No.3814246]

Because we're Americans that may have grew up in the 90's.

[Anonymous No.3814247]

16-bit days were the best. Huge step forwards from 8-bit in music and graphics, just 2 main players head to head, sega and nintendo. Ah nostalgia...

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3814250]

Pretty much because it was the only one that was really close for a long time - plus Sega's attack ads basically invening the idea of a "console war"

[Anonymous No.3814251]

As a kid who's parents could only afford one system I had a SNES. I thought it was the best and maybe I was jealous of not having a genesis too.

Now I'm an adult with gainful employment and not so invested in console wars because I have all the current offerings.

[Anonymous No.3814254]

Because it was waged by energetic budding autistic youth.

[Anonymous No.3814259]

Because they took the most shots at each other in ads and stuff. Pretty much all the other console wars happened mostly through people fighting on the Internet instead of as publicly with stuff like "does what nintendon't"

[Anonymous No.3814264]

Did Nintendo win?

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3814268]

>>3814264
Ultimately yeah the SNES won but mainly because Sega crippled itself

[Anonymous No.3814275]

>>3814237

Because it was the gameplay machine vs the movie game machine.

Unfortunately everyone talks about the movie games now.

[Anonymous No.3814279]

>>3814264

No, they moved onto the next generation in 1994. At that time they had way more market share and better games.

[Anonymous No.3814280]

>>3814237
Because it was evenly matched, unlike the previous (3rd gen) and following (5th) generations.

[Anonymous No.3814281]

>>3814264
The only gens Nintendo objectively won are 3rd and 7th.

[Anonymous No.3814284]

Sega does what nintendon't. Like losing the console wars and releasing games for their major competitors system 2 decades later.

[Anonymous No.3814287]

>>3814264

Nope, official sales numbers aren't full accurate and Japan was the only territory that Nintendo actually won.

[Anonymous No.3814292]

>>3814237
Because Sega proved to the world that the Emperor, Nintendo, has no clothes.

One day you Nintendrones will see the truth.

[Anonymous No.3814295]

>>3814284
Fuck off SEGA won, nintendork.

[Anonymous No.3814316]

>ITT: Butthurt Segafags
Cry harder. The fart machine wasn't enough and your favorite company is now a zombie.

[Anonymous No.3814320]

>>3814316
The Fart Machine outsold Nintendo from 1990-1993.

It's the Saturn that killed Sega.

[Anonymous No.3814323]

>>3814237
3rd gen had no competition. NES was the clear winner.

5th gen was obviously dominated by PS. It was a little better for N64 in US, but otherwise the rest of consoles didn't get even close.

6th gen: same as 5th gen.

7th gen: the gap between 2 main consoles narrowed. A lot of old big exclusives were now cross-platform. Both consoles had very similar specs and capabilities. And Nintendo went a totally separate way from everyone, deliberately avoiding direct competition.

8th gen: the gap is nearly nonexistent now.

[Anonymous No.3814335]

>>3814320
>Bu-but the Saturn...
>No-no it outsold the SNES in...
C'mon man, this is really sad. These things didn't change what happened in the end.

[Anonymous No.3814336]

>>3814264
Nintendo alienated 3rd party developers with their restrictive policies. Sega alienated consumers with their over priced add ons. So both lost. And that set the Stage for Sony to move in.

[Anonymous No.3814361]

>>3814237
Because:
>Nobody really cares about the 1st and 2nd generations
>NES dominated the SMS outside PÀL regions
>PS1 dominated its"war" everywhere
>Ditto PS2

Except for the japanese market, the SNES and MD fought evenly everywhere.

>People still debate about it to this very day.
The HD Twins' war was fairly comparable to the 16-bits era, pretty sure people will argue which one was better (both in games and power) for a long time too.

[Anonymous No.3814362]

>>3814323
>8th gen: the gap is nearly nonexistent now.

Nah, bruv.

[Anonymous No.3814364]

>>3814336
But consumers wanted those add-ons in Japan so why not here? Look at PC engine CD.

[Anonymous No.3814365]

>>3814362
He's right. Xbone is on its death bed, Nintendo is literally irrelevant now that their userbase moved onto smartphones, and PS4 is the clear console winner.

[Anonymous No.3814370]

It isn't OP, it's just the only one you payed attention to.

Check out the retro computing threads to see Britfags argue over 8bit microcomputers.

[Anonymous No.3814372]

>>3814365
>He's right.
>Go on to explain why he's wrong.

I don't know what to say...

[Anonymous No.3814374]

>>3814251
>As a kid who's parents could only afford one system I had a SNES. I thought it was the best and maybe I was jealous of not having a genesis too.

Same except the other way around. I loved my Genesis and sure I talked some console war trash on the playground but I also loved going to my friends house to play DK, Ki, Kirby, etc. 4th gen really was the best console generation.

[Anonymous No.3814419]

>>3814370
Old Computerfags are on a whole different type of war.
They never talk about games, for example.

[Anonymous No.3814439]

>>3814361
Hacking a Wii to emulate 1-5th gen + virtual console in 240p on a CRT and also as an audiophile Gamecube (inaudible fan)>Using an Xbox360 for the excellent XBLA library>waiting for the super slim PS3 (reduced fan noise) and selecting games when the library had had time to grow>buying an Xbox360 slim (angular) and hoping that Microsoft was telling the truth when they said they fixed RROD and disc carving>buying a PS3 OR Xbox360 at launch>buying a Wii for Wii bowling and other normieware.

[Anonymous No.3814441]

>>3814237
Because it was the most competitive and more importantly the most meaningful of all the console wars.

PS1 destroyed Saturn and N64 even if all three were unique consoles with different specs and tons of different exclusive games.

PS2 also destroyed their competition except this time the consoles were a little more closer to one another in specs. Still though each console had their exclusive games that couldn't really be done on the competition. However PS2 trounced the competition even harder this time so it wasn't really like there was even a "war" here to begin with.

PS3 this time did not destroy the competition. In fact this console war could virtually count as a 3 way tie even if Wii outsold the competition by quite a bit. The important part here though is all three important consoles sold extremely well outdoing most from the past generations.

The current console war is again another destruction. Sony yet again pretty much trounced the competition.

For NES there really wasn't any competition at all in the US. SMS wasn't even a factor in the US. I never even knew it existed until years after it came out.

So it is for this reason that SNES vs Genesis is the most memorable console war. Both did well and both were truly different enough to actually be a meaningful war. Since they were different being a fanboy of either also made a lot more sense. Both had games that clearly couldn't have been done the same on the competition without massive changes. This same rule doesn't apply today. I had a Turbografx-16 that also felt very different from these two consoles but it wasn't competitive.

So basically, the original console war that started the meme also remains the greatest console war.

[Anonymous No.3814464]

>>3814237

Why was the Genesis sound hardware so weak?

Ren and Stimpy Theme:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7tNDkEACSY

SNES version:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6O39QJCAhk

Genesis version:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQd_QJZ94PI

[Anonymous No.3814467]

>>3814237
Because most people old enough to remember previous ones can't remember due to alzheimers.

[Anonymous No.3814490]

>>3814464

Does this sound weak to you?

https://youtu.be/VZFloT80zWc

[Anonymous No.3814509]

>>3814464
because incompetent sound guys who didn't or couldn't take advantage of what the system could do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5OplVydslA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-B3Q0cRrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSn1f-Xz8go

same thing could happen with the snes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxl_YzcBrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj_EK2ZEcsk

[Anonymous No.3814519]

>>3814362
>>3814365
I guess you've misinterpreted what I said a bit. I wasn't speaking about their commercial performance. I was speaking about the hardware differences between them.

It used to be that consoles had drastically different hardware. Take 5th gen, it was 3 totally different machines. Porting games was harder, and sometimes even impossible because of this. This shaped games for them and thus the market.

But today, XB One and PS4 use the same processor and GPU. And it's x86 of all things. They might be a bit more powerful then one another, but inside they're pretty much 2 PCs. Both have copied all the features like online stores and such from each other. It's down to exclusives now.

[Anonymous No.3814561]

>>3814464

> western games

[Anonymous No.3814565]

>>3814275

This unfortunately. RPGs were a fucking mistake.

[Anonymous No.3814575]

>>3814284
Don't get too smug, Nintendo is heading down the same path.

[Anonymous No.3814583]

maybe i'm young for /vr/ (doubtful) but i remember the n64/psx console war being bigger, because the internet was growing and there were more places to shitpost

[Anonymous No.3814598]

>>3814583
I'm 29 and don't remember it like that but I did skip that generation straight into 6th gen so maybe. Seemed like 60% of people had psx, 35% had the 64 , and 5% had Saturn. Genesis vs SNES was really close to 50/50. At least where I lived.

[Anonymous No.3814603]

>>3814575
every game publisher, particularly the japanese, has published mobile games in the recent years

it would be stupid to not grab all that free money

[Anonymous No.3814657]

To add to what others have said, these wars probably had the best "story", so to say.

Nintendo reigns supreme over US market. But suddenly, out of nowhere, a new challenger emerges. The new edgy hotshot gives the complacent Nintendo a run for their money.

Even with their new 16-bit console, Nintendo still looks less cool with its childish games and slower console. They're keeping up a fight, but they're gasping to keep up; Sega is going strong despite their best efforts. Nintendo make good games, but they aren't willing to change; in a turning point, when they censor blood in MK, many leave them for Sega.

In the final stretch, Nintendo find their answer to Sega: Rare. They develop a game that'd allow them to barely top Sega at the last minute, because they're torn because of inner conflicts and want to grab money with 32X.

Sounds pretty much like a Hollywood movie. With a rather sad sequel about changing times and how to cope with losing to someone better than you. Except Nintendo is somehow a good guy in it when they're actually faggots. Sega would be like a drunkard guy who used to be one of the best, but fucked up all his fortune and had to work for his old enemies.

[Anonymous No.3814660]

>>3814583
N64/PS1 era didn't even come close, especially since the PS1 dominated. It wasn't a constant butting of heads.

[Anonymous No.3814692]

>>3814660
sure in hindsight it's obvious but there was a lot of shitflinging between the two camps at the time, especially when the 64 was brand new. online at least. i'm not really sure what it was like for people irl because none of my friends played video games.

i remember the snes/genesis era ad campaigns but at the time neither one was appealing in comparison to going to the arcade.

[Anonymous No.3814753]

>>3814284
Pretty much, the only good gamecube game was made by sega

[Anonymous No.3814761]

>>3814753
exCUSE ME

[Anonymous No.3814767]

>>3814761
>the game that killed RE
>good

fuck off

[Anonymous No.3814773]

>>3814767
code veronica killed it, 4 brought it back to life. 5 killed it for real this time, 6 robbed the grave, and 7 completed the zombification of the franchise.

[Anonymous No.3814779]

>>3814773
there was nothing wrong with code veronica

[Anonymous No.3814940]

>>3814237
Both machines were very popular and the hardware was different enough to affect the libraries. The 3rd gen was the NES dominating everything, the 5th gen was Sony running rampant, and by the 6th gen half the time you can only tell which platform something is on by the button prompts.

[Anonymous No.3814965]

>>3814364
Japan had a chemical addiction to RPGs, and CD add-ons had two massive advantages in the genre compared to cartridges: massive amounts of storage and cheap game saves.

The West was plagued by FMV games because they had no idea what to do with all the space yet.

[Anonymous No.3814971]

>>3814767
4 and 5 are the only good ones

[Anonymous No.3814986]

>>3814779
There is a handful of people who thought it was too hard and scary, so now they hate it.

[Anonymous No.3814996]

>>3814971
>5
>good

[Anonymous No.3815060]

The internet wasn't a thing.

[Anonymous No.3815186]

>>3814773

CV was the best classic RE though.

[Anonymous No.3815196]

>>3814237
because both machines were vastly different and still pretty good, today's machines are 3rd rate amd/nvidia/ibm parts, and every fucking game runs on unreal engine

[Anonymous No.3815201]

>>3814264
nah, because i am still playing maegadrive games and dont bother with snes/super famicom anymore, the MD games aged better

[Anonymous No.3815205]

>>3814773
code veronica was damn awesome, it shines like gold compared to the crap they make today

[Anonymous No.3815243]

>>3814284
A light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

[Anonymous No.3815246]

>>3814971
Why are you here?

[Anonymous No.3815262]

>>3815243
That statement is false.

[Anonymous No.3815270]

>3rd gen
Nes won by a wide margin in both America and Japan. Europe didn't give a crap about consoles yet.
>5th gen
PSX destroyed the other 2. Saturn did well in Japan and N64 did ok in America but still were unable to stand up to Sony.
>6th gen
Sony territory again. Xbox did ok in America I guess.
>7th gen
360 won the first half, PS3 won the second, Nintendo won by numbers. Only real tie since 4th gen, but shit's still way too recent and most kids probably had a Wii anyway.

[Anonymous No.3815280]

>>3815262
To elaborate, perceived brightness is logarithmic like sound. A star twice as bright as another lasts 1/5th as long.

[Anonymous No.3815291]

>>3815262
>>3815280

[Anonymous No.3815306]

>>3814237

One of those two were likely babby's first console for most of us.

[Anonymous No.3815307]

I wonder, what number made Sega clones?

[Anonymous No.3815320]

Probably, you can make an augment for both although it is mostly dependant on how much you enjoy 16bit RPGs for the SNES.

If you're interested in action and shooter type games then Sega

[Anonymous No.3815328]

>>3814237
>lead went back and forth
>aggressive 90's marketing to hype up the rivalry
>both consoles were close in sales for quite a while after the SNES took the lead
>really the only console gen where the systems were more or less on par with one another (Genesis could handle more objects and could scroll faster while SNES had the advantage in colors and sound)

[Anonymous No.3815340]

>>3814237
I was really confused as a kid because I genuinely enjoyed going over to a friend's house to play their SNES but they would always say something like:
>see? super nintendo is the best console
>you should get your own

They would never like coming over to my house even though I had a pair of Power Stick 6B's for my Genesis and Street Fighter II Championship edition. I would open up excel and post my scores for various games like Vectorman or Streets of Rage 2 there hoping my friends would eventually come around but it never happened since they were too busy bashing it.

[Anonymous No.3815384]

>>3814250
>Sega's attack ads basically invening the idea of a "console war"
>sega invented console war faggotry
>now they're irrelevant

serves them right tbqh

[Anonymous No.3815429]

>>3815384
They had no choice, Nintendo basically had a monopoly over the console market like no other. If they just put it out it could've easily fallen to the wayside like the TurboGrafx-16 which was irrelevant outside of Japan

[Anonymous No.3815497]

>>3814264
In terms of sales, they won in America and Japan.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3815517]

>>3815429
A lesson Sega already learned by letting Mattel handle the Master System release

[Anonymous No.3815558]

>>3815517
It was Tonka.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3815571]

>>3815558
Even worse! I guess it was the accepted thing to do for international Japanese releases though. Nintendo actually approached Atari about distributing the Famicom in the West and Atari turned them down because they thought they'd be able to compete using the 7800. Jack Tramiel was truly an idiot.

[Anonymous No.3815627]

>>3815571
Mattel was actually rumored to be handling PC Engine distribution in the U.S. according to early issues of EGM though, but NEC ultimately decided to leave it to their U.S. subsidiary. I think they might had done a better job.

[Anonymous No.3815639]

>>3815497
>they won in America
it was a tie, the numbers are too close and the margin of error top great to declare a definite winner

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.3815649]

>>3815627
That's probably why I had Mattel in my head. I agree that the way the TG-16 launched in the US was pretty foolish in hindsight, maybe even more ill-advised than the Saturn launch really. It's like they wanted to create an elite reputation with the limited number of consoles produced for the US release by making them only available to big city people. The first one I ever saw was indeed in the hands of some rich asshole in early 1990 at a slumber party I went to thrown by my Jewish friend who's father had gotten a promotion and moved to the city.

[Anonymous No.3815653]

>>3815429
did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

[Anonymous No.3815682]

>>3815649
Either that or the fact that Tom Kalinske was hired by Sega from his experience with Mattel.

[Anonymous No.3815735]

>>3815384
>wahhhh competition is bad!!
Back to your hugbox, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3815748]

>>3815735
keep sucking that corporate cock, shill
sega's might be a little rancid by now though :^)

[Anonymous No.3815751]

>>3815748
t. nintendo corporate cocksucker shill

[Anonymous No.3815752]

>>3815384
>How DARE someone challenge Nintendo's rightful monopoly over the videogame market!

[Anonymous No.3815754]

>>3814237
Because the NES that came before it was unchallenged and the PS1 that came after it was unchallenged.

The Game Boy vs Game Gear wars were slightly memorable, but the GG had no games so it was over pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.3815764]

>>3815653
kek

[Anonymous No.3815779]

>>3815754
The Gamegear was held back by the price and low battery life. It had at least as many worthwhile games as the Gameboy, though.

[Anonymous No.3815835]

>>3814773
Did you know? Code Veronica was planned to be the 3rd Resident Evil-part. But Sony managed to add a "3" to RE Nemesis so CV lost that title. However CV is slearly the better game, I think it's second best after the original one.

[Anonymous No.3816272]

>>3814464

>using licensed western titles as proof of sound hardware being shit

Yeah, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhGO7uxpjbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KfPM8xJWgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyoMQg3d5cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEpAD0RQ66w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krmNfjbfJUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYNLz8goZdE

[Anonymous No.3817210]

>>3814237
kek