/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3774449]

If not for the American market this thing would have killed Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.3774459]

what about handhelds
they've sold a fuckton of those nonstop since the gameboy

[Anonymous No.3774472]

>>3774449
I think nintendo has the right idea with the switch being a handheld / console hybrid. But I think they should just go full tilt and go handheld only with a good VC and first party games.

[Anonymous No.3774479]

>>3774472
that's what they're doing
it doesn't matter if the switch is too big for pocket size since most people aren't gonna play it outside their house anyways, or they can throw it in womans purse

[Anonymous No.3774487]

>>3774449
The disconnect between America and the rest of the world on that console is always jarring to me. When I contemplate the world sales statistics on that generation I always have a bit of a disconnect when I see how poorly it sold.

When I was a kid N64 was definitely the console to get. I wasn't allowed to have consoles, but the show-offy "cool" kids' go-to bragging item was always their new N64. Only the kids with foreign parents had a playstation, it seemed like. Probably kids with an older brother two to three years older had playstation as well, but at those kids' houses the only console us younger kids were allowed to play was the forgotten SNES their older brothers had abandoned.

Then I remember around Thanksgiving 1999 some kid's older brother got a dreamcast, which I had never even heard of before, but I was 100% sure there was something "naughty" about it because of the way they all acted. Later I thought the reason was that he had stolen it, but now I think he was just a drug dealer and didn't want their parents to see it because he didn't want them to know he had extra money in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3774502]

>>3774449
Does this thing being successful only in USA prove that yanks have the worst taste when it comes to videogames?

[Anonymous No.3774504]

>>3774502
I think we're all already aware of how shit yank's taste is.

[Anonymous No.3774514]

>>3774502
Doesn't it just prove that the market for video games in the US at that time was different?

I.e., it was more driven by middle class parents buying things for their spoiled kids, compared to other countries where parents were more conscientious about the utility of consoles they bought (e.g., the popularity of the PS2 being partially driven by the fact that it also played DVDs) and where a greater share of video games were being sold to young adults buying with their own money.

[Anonymous No.3774517]

>>3774449
inb4 janny deletes your thread because you dare to state something negative about le based nintendo

[Anonymous No.3774527]

>>3774514
I think the actual truth is the rest of the world wanted to play on whatever console let them rebuy FIFA year after year.

[Anonymous No.3774610]

>>3774527
That explains south america. I was thinking about Europe and Japan mostly in my comment.

[Anonymous No.3774939]

>>3774514
It does show that games are only a side thing for a lot of people. In South Korea, you first did your homework on the PC, as a side bonus you can StarCraft. Yeah, the PS2 being a cheap DVD player and playing original Playstation games was more the reason to get the system over a Dreamcast. I also remember being appalled at the E3 that Netflix was the most exciting thing about a 360 update over games, but I was very wrong as my friend list was practically all people using Netflix, so I do not blame MS for following the statistics in tailoring their systems to what the numbers would suggest. I think Nintendo was going to do fine with their strong grip on the handheld market, strong enough to support the N64.

[Anonymous No.3774954]

>>3774939
>pic related

I guess you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.3775008]

>>3774449
>n64 craze finally dying down
I can finally get all the games I want for the cheap

[Anonymous No.3775010]

If not for the Japan market this thing would have killed Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.3775131]

>>3774449
N64 is probably my 3rd favorite console ever.

[Anonymous No.3775135]

>>3774504
>>3774502
>buttblasted eurogays upset that nintendo doesn't care about them

[Anonymous No.3775139]

>Americans are arbiters of good taste.

Thanks for the reminder, OP.

[Anonymous No.3775245]

>>3774939
That Japanese kid had some damn good taste.

[Anonymous No.3775324]

Every time I see an anti-N64 thread, part of me always suspects the OP is just butthurt that the N64 was the party machine of choice in his youth while HIS console got ignored by his friends at get-togethers.

[Anonymous No.3775357]

>>3774449
If not for the American market Genesis would have killed Sega.

[Anonymous No.3775359]

>>3775010

SNES and Genesis sold almost equally outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.3775372]

If not for the Japanese market, nobody would've cared about the PC Engine.

[Anonymous No.3775381]

Every time I see an anti-N64 thread, part of me always suspects the OP is just butthurt that the N64 was the party machine of choice in his youth while HIS console got ignored by his friends at get-togethers.

[Anonymous No.3775383]

>>3775324
>playing Mario Cart, Mario Party, or Smash over the age of 12

Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.3775412]

>>3775381
>enjoy the party with the N64 at my friend's home (mostly for GoldenEye)
>then go back home and play deep PSX games like Final Fantasy VII or Resident Evil

It's all good m8

[Anonymous No.3775415]

>>3774502

The entire PAL gaming world is a shit show.

[Anonymous No.3775432]

>>3775357
Mega drive was huge here in Europe.

[Anonymous No.3775440]

>>3775359
citation needed

[Anonymous No.3775451]

>>3775412
>deep PSX games
>Resident Evil

[Anonymous No.3775589]

>>3775383
>Video games are a mature hobby for mature adults such as myself

Mate, there's nothing wrong with reliving a little childhood joy now and again

[Anonymous No.3775630]

>>3774449
Shows you how fucking stupid americans are. And that's comming from an american.

[Anonymous No.3775647]

>>3775432
Not really huge, but it sold well.
>>3775381
>playing video games at a party
That's just sad.

[Anonymous No.3775702]

>>3775647
Not all parties are "push all the furniture out of the way and cram 75 people into your living room while playing loud music" parties.

Taking turns playing very casual no-barrier-to-entry retro games can be legitimately fun, even for complete normies who have no special interest in /vr/, with up to about ten people in my experience.

Drunk duck hunt was a staple of my college days with friends and friends-of-friends. Of course some of the guys just liked getting to say the name like "da cunt."

[Anonymous No.3775753]

>>3775702
So it's for geek parties. Okay, should have just said.

[Anonymous No.3775764]

>>3775630
>guys n64 sucksssssssssss

[Anonymous No.3775771]

>>3775764
It's definitely the worst of the major consoles from fifth gen.

[Anonymous No.3775781]

>>3774939
>>3774954
>>3775245
>That's a steep bill, but it's worth it!

[Anonymous No.3775786]

>>3775753
lots of parties have a video game corner. idk how many events you've been to but it's not unusual.

[Anonymous No.3775790]

>>3775786
I don't party with geeks.

[Anonymous No.3775792]

>>3775771
Now how can you say that with a straight face when the Saturn is sitting right fucking there.

[Anonymous No.3775798]

>>3775790
ok, brah.

[Anonymous No.3775805]

>>3775753
Not really.

It kind of sounds like you don't have any friends and are trying to compensate by pretending like anyone who would be friends with a /vr/gin must not be "normal." But maybe you are just 15 or 20 years older than I am, or come from the deep south or something. Whatever the case may be, reality really isn't like what you are implying for most people.

Mainstream college students in the 2010s socialize in intimate settings in addition to bars and frat houses, enjoy casual games while socializing (including card games and drinking games), and are frequently curious about old video games because they either have a feeling of nostalgia or a para-nostalgia for something they "missed out on," or because of an increased level of visibility associated with "90s nostalgic hipsters" that have entered the mainstream. The world really isn't like an 80s movie with "jocks vs nerds" shit going on. The douchiest preppy rich kids when I was in school just played FIFA on their xboxes while drinking in their dorm rooms instead of smoking pot and playing mario kart 64 battle mode.

[Anonymous No.3775809]

>>3775805
Well I'm not an American university student. Drinking games are fucking cancer.

[Anonymous No.3775821]

>>3775805
this. anyone who looks down on playing video games socially probably hasn't been out much since the year 2000.

[Anonymous No.3775826]

>>3775357
SNES was really only more popular in Japan. But then again, even the PCE was more popular than the MD in Japan.

[Anonymous No.3775829]

>>3775792
Because he likes different games than you. The Saturn was THE console for arcade ports in the 90s. The N64 barely got any, and the PS1's ports were usually worse.

[Anonymous No.3775886]

>>3775792
Saturn has:
>good sidescrollers
>good belt scrollers
>good fighting games
>good shoot them downs
>good puzzlers
>good RPGs (granted, you need to know JP to enjoy most of them, but still)
>good tactics games
>good adventure/sim games

The N64 has:
>good 3D platformers
>good racing games

Sorry, but I'll take Saturn over the N64, my friend.

[Anonymous No.3775894]

>>3775790
And I don't eat the heads off of chickens, so we're alright for tonight.

[Anonymous No.3775895]

>>3775886
N64 has a better controller too

[Anonymous No.3775897]

>>3775809
I can accept that cultural or class differences have given you a different experience. I'm sorry, too, because it sounds like yours kind of sucked. Nobody enjoys games except nerds? What do people in your culture even do for fun?

[Anonymous No.3775906]

>>3775895
No it does absolutely fucking not. The Saturn controller is THE retro controller.

[Anonymous No.3775913]

>>3775886
The N64 has four controller ports, all the various beloved first party games, casual/party games, etc.

I actually prefer Saturn because I have no nostalgia for either and Saturn has more unique and interesting games, but I don't think it is unreasonable to see the pros and cons of both.

I wonder if the N64 had an advantage in North America where families are typically larger than in Japan? If the typical family has at least two kids, you can have both siblings playing and a friend with N64, while with a Saturn or playstation you'd have to force the kids to share. Japanese families have one kid, so there would be enough controllers for your kid and a friend, and Japanese kids are probably more well behaved/less violent than the typical N64 consumer anyway (so less potential for fighting over whose turn it is to play).

My extremely shitty white trash cousins could never own a console with only two controller ports for long without breaking it in a fight, but their gamecube lasted quite a while.

[Anonymous No.3775917]

>>3775895
>>3775906
The Saturn has a better controller for the types of games that were on the Saturn.

The N64 had a lot of games that tried to take advantage of the analog stick to make 3D playable. Maybe those could've worked with the Saturn 3D controller too, but the N64 definitely didn't have many games in its library for which a standard Saturn controller would've been preferable.

It's just "different strokes for different folks." Nothing wrong with a little variety, since it just means we have more to enjoy now.

[Anonymous No.3775920]

>>3775381

>N64 was the party machine of choice in his youth while HIS console got ignored by his friends at get-togethers.

That would be true if it wasnt that the "other" console sold in a 3:1 proportion

[Anonymous No.3775924]

>>3775917
I don't appreciate your reasonable attitude.

[Anonymous No.3775930]

>>3775897
maybe they played horseshoes.

[Anonymous No.3775989]

>>3775895
For 3D games, that's debatable. NiGHTS pad has analog triggers and a really solid analog stick, plus six buttons that are all the same size. N64 has two primary buttons, and four small camera buttons, you can't access one of the three auxillary buttons, and the stick is prone to getting broken easily. It was interesting to play some games with the D-pad and stick at the same time, but there weren't enough buttons to properly use this mode to the fullest, and you'd have to constantly move your hand to access the other buttons. Overall I prefer both Saturn controllers over N64's, but it does have its uses and was unique for the time.

[Anonymous No.3776027]

>>3775383
>>3775753
>>3775790
>>3775809
>pushing the outdated "nerds are shunned outcasts" narrative while trying to self-righteously look mature and sophisticated

Quinten, is that you?

[Anonymous No.3776153]

>>3775359
SNES eventually equalled Genesis sales in USA (due to Sega abandoning the platform starting from 1995) but the Genesis substantially outsold the SNES in combined Europe, Australia, South America, etc sales.

The only reason SNES won the total global count is because SNES outsold the Genesis by something like 12 million units in Japan, while Genesis outsold SNES by 3 million in outside-of-Japan total, giving the SNES a 9 million global advantage.

[Anonymous No.3776232]

>>3776027
He really does sound like he could be quentin, but he didn't react to my line about smoking pot, so it can't be him.

[Anonymous No.3776236]

>>3774449

No, it was also very popular in Japan and Europe.

[Anonymous No.3776240]

>>3776027
>>3776232
Looks like /v/ is leaking again.

Why is it always the Nintendo fanboys to start the paranoia bullshit?

[Anonymous No.3776241]

>>3776153
Not exactly.

Note that this chart stops at '96. If you count late-model genesis sales in Brazil etc., the Genesis line would probably climb faster than the SNES line through the close of the century.


The SNES outsold the genesis by a huge margin in Japan, but the approximately equal (slightly higher for genesis) worldwide sales of both consoles had a much higher volume, so the difference in totals was small at the close of that generation.

[Anonymous No.3776242]

N64 was better for 3D
Sega Saturn was better for 2D
PlayStation had all the shovelware.

[Anonymous No.3776246]

N64 was such a great system. It was the kind of console you'd spend all your time playing with your friends.

Meanwhile that one lonely weird kid you knew at school had the PS1, and he spent all his time alone in a dark room pressing X get to the next cut scene.

[Anonymous No.3776259]

>>3776246


if you didnt have an N64 and a PSX you were a piece of shit poor fag that had an awful childhood

[Anonymous No.3776272]

>>3776259
Even poor fags had one or both. It was more the kids with tyrannical parents that didn't have either

[Anonymous No.3776283]

>>3776259
If you weren't importing games for your Saturn and PC-FX, you weren't living the high life of gaming.

[Anonymous No.3776291]

>>3776272
I was a vehement Nintendo kid my whole life. For a while during 5th gen I fought against PS1, but I just wanted to play FF7 SO BAD that I swallowed my pride and bought a used system which also had Wipeout 3 included. Pretty good first game for a console. That said, I generally got more N64 games than I did PS1.

[Anonymous No.3776292]

>>3776236
>No, it was also very popular in Japan
No it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.3776402]

>>3776246
This all the way.

[Anonymous No.3776827]

>>3774449
>>3774502
Get a life auskun

[Anonymous No.3777030]

>>3776272
My parents weren't really strict at all, but they raised me with the belief that video games were somehow beneath us. They weren't exactly anti-video game, they just never bought them for me and I never asked for them. At some point I was given a gameboy by my grandmother, so I was able to join in on the pokemon craze at least. Even though I was similarly raised to turn my nose up at anything "anime," my parents did buy me pokemon cards because I indicated that I would be left out at school if I didn't have pokemon cards to trade with other kids (no one at that age actually bothered using them to play the game, it was mostly about showing off, which got old pretty quick).

Later I found out that my parents had bought an NES in the 80s before I was born, played SMB somewhat obsessively for a number of weeks, and then put it away having decided that video games were too addictive. I eventually became interested in /vr/ when I discovered it squirreled away in our basement, still in the original packaging. Happily, in those days I could buy NES cartridges for cheap at EB games.

[Anonymous No.3777075]

In America gaming is a social thing. It's why the party games on the N64 were so popular, it's also why the XBox took off so fast in the US with online gaming and LAN connections. It's weird how Playstation and Saturn fanboys always whine that people in the US weren't importing Japanese single player games, it's just a different market.

[Anonymous No.3777590]

>>3774449
Fuck that is insanely pleasing to the eye.

[Anonymous No.3777609]

Goat

[Anonymous No.3778891]

>>3774939
damn why are japanese 64 boxes are so aesthethicc as fuck.?

[Anonymous No.3778924]

>>3778891
I think it is because the design guidelines for Japanese N64 boxes are the box dimensions and the square logo on the upper right, and maybe a few small icons indicating accessory support/player count. After that, the whole box is a canvas for an artist to populate, including deciding where the information icons are located. With the US boxes, they have a solid red bar with large icons on the right, a small foldover if exclusive for a "only for" the N64 logo on the upper right, and which may clash with the artwork or may not fit the mood an artist want to portray with the cover art.

I will say that the US Starfox 64 box is one of the most satisfying to hold though. The pic was made for another thread regarding Treasure, so don't get triggered.

[Anonymous No.3778949]

>>3775771
>>3775792
While I can find games I like on almost all systems. During that time the Saturn was my primary system, Playstation being the first I owned, and N64 my most recent of the period. I wouldn't call the N64 worst of the 5th gen by a large margin. Don't forget, the PCFX, Jaguar, 3D0, FM Towns Marty, AmigaCD32, and Pippin were around. I have the most trouble thinking of a game I'd like to have/play for the Apple Pippin.

[Anonymous No.3778976]

>>3774487
I can relate with the Dreamcast thing, here's a pointlessly long greentext.
>be born in 1991
>have cousins born mid 80's
>thanks to them, they convinced my parents to buy me a Sega Genesis while their parents got them an SNES
>this gave them access to both libraries
>always had me on their lap as they played MY Genesis whenever they came over
>this made me the Sega kid of our two families during the duration of Genesis vs SNES war and we played each others consoles
>the plan was for me to collect Sega while they collected Nintendo
>PlayStation comes out and I make the jump to that leaving 32x, CD and Saturn out of the picture
>Dreamcast comes out several years later
>get it for christmas
>realize this console feels really foreign even though it's a Sega console
>cousins and I import a few games through this one guy who ran a mom & pop shop and had a network of Japs looking to sell Jap video game stuff in the west
>cuts us a deal on CvS2 and a pair of agetec arcade sticks
>while we have fun and all, there was always something off about the Dreamcast
>before we knew it our library was really lackluster
>cheatbooks stopped releasing with Dreamcast
>nobody talked about Dreamcast at school outside of a few kids that remember seeing it at toy stores
>dissappeared from discussion outside of people who owned one
>end up selling it about 9 or 10 years ago because nobody in the family wanted it
>realize cousins and I still pop out the other consoles once in a while

typing this made me cry, by the way.

[Anonymous No.3779017]

>>3774449
when I see this image, I can feel my childhood being stimulated by all of the four player games on this console that could be played. right now my hands are cringing from the terrible ergonomics that people put up with because there wasn't a wider known alternative at the time. Played Conker's Bad Fur Day on an emulator using my DualShock 2 and OH MY GRUD the precision of the movement was like nothing I have ever experienced.