/CRT/ Thread : You made her cry :( edition

[Anonymous No.3773785]

Previous thread >>3751086
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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[Anonymous No.3773802]

Cuck.

[Anonymous No.3773808]

>>3773187
That's 4:3 mode apparently, setting it to 16:9 squashes the image even more.

[Anonymous No.3773820]

Don't fall for the meme.

[Anonymous No.3773865]

>>3773820
The replying to trolls meme?

OH SHI...

[Anonymous No.3773876]

I'm getting ghost trails on my Toshiba now. The door opening animation in RE3 Nemesis for example leaves a very noticeable trail when it swings open. I only really notice it when the background is black like that. What is happening here exactly and what can be done about? It's not that distracting because I only notice it when something is against a black screen (sometime it actually looks really neat, like the when petals falling during Otogi loading screens) but i wanna be sure this isn't indicating the death of my set.

[Anonymous No.3773882]

>>3773876
Oh, and I'll try and record the effect in a bit, though I doubt my phone camera will pick it up very well.

[Anonymous No.3773890]

>>3773876

sounds like phosphor trails

[Anonymous No.3773912]

>>3773890
The examples I'm reading about online for that seem to be red, green or blue artifacting. This is definitely ghost-like, where the trail is very faint and light, to the point of almost looking white.

[Anonymous No.3773921]

>>3773912
Come to think of it, the effect is similar to what you'd see on an older LCD with really shitty response times.

[Anonymous No.3773945]

>>3773876
phosphor decay. Has to be decently long on consumer sets because of the nature of interlaced display.

[Anonymous No.3773960]

>>3773945
Yup, that trail behind the stars in your pic is exactly it. Is there anything I can do about it?

[Anonymous No.3773970]

>>3773960
not really. Having bit of light in the room helps.

[Anonymous No.3774065]

>>3773785
So I'm starting to look into CRTs and I've noticed some of the non-hd sets have the YPrPb ports. Does this mean you can get a near RGB picture from these sets?

That would be amazing. I'd love to see that on a 36" screen. I've only ever gone as far as s-video.

[Anonymous No.3774070]

>>3774065
Sure but you'll need to spend $50-$100 for cables and adapters.

[Anonymous No.3774094]

>>3774070
I wouldn't mind at all. It would still be cheaper than buying a 20" PVM. I still want to get one someday, but you can't beat having a big CRT with a pair of hi-fi speakers across from a plush couch.

That's maximum comfy.

[Anonymous No.3774098]

What causes the green on air light of my pvm to turn on?

[Anonymous No.3774104]

>You literally cannot drive a flat-faced tube effectively with analogue circuitry. So that's why they only started appearing when they did (mid-late 90s).

Then how did vertically flat Trinitrons exist?

Do flat VGA PC CRT monitors have problems with geometry and deflection compared to curved VGA PC CRT monitors?

[Anonymous No.3774105]

>>3774098
Goblins

[Anonymous No.3774142]

>>3774104
VGA PC CRTs have less problems with geometry in general due to length of the tube's neck vs its relatively small screen size. Making adjustments is pretty easy too through a pc crt's OSD.

[Anonymous No.3774145]

>>3774065
KV-24FS120 owner here, and god yes does 240p via component look good. As crisp and clear as an RGB image.

The easiest and cheapest way to see for yourself is using a PS2's component output with a PS1 game. Pic very much related. Past that, like >>3774070 said you'll need to invest in RetrovisionHD's component cables for SNES/Genesis (And soon to be Saturn, NGAES, and PS1) or look into getting SCART cables and a SCART to Component transcoder. Either way it should be a decent step up from S-Video if you're going for a behemoth 36" tube.

[Anonymous No.3774149]

>>3774104
My two flatscreens have very minor geometry problems. With one I know it's due to the front of the glass being flat but the inside still being a curved tube, with the other I'm not sure what it is but it has a small bow in the top.

It's not really a bother to me, I love them all the same.

[Anonymous No.3774154]

>>3774065
You absolutely can. You can use a stand-alone transcoder to convert RGB to YPbPr and send that to the set. A company called HD Retrovision has component cables for the SNES and Genesis that have built-in transcoders. You can hook up a PS2 to the set over component and easily play PS1 games on it with component/RGB quality picture.

[Anonymous No.3774251]

So according to the manual of my monitor it supports up to 1600x1200@85Hz, but if I get past EDID I can bring it up to 2048x1536@65Hz. Will running it this high damage my monitor in any way or am I fine?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3774263]

>>3774065
Yes, but just a warning; Those 36'' sets are over 200lbs, and unwieldy as all hell.

>>3774104
>Then how did vertically flat Trinitrons exist?
Distance from the gun is still equal across the screen as it draws, so you don't run into issues. It's the flattening on a horizontal plane that causes issues.

>>3774145
>you'll need to invest in RetrovisionHD's component cables for SNES/Genesis
If you're only looking for one or maybe two consoles, that is the better way to go, but anymore than that and getting a Shinybow transcoder and decent SCART cables gives you more versatility, and for about the same price, if not less if you end up using more consoles with it.

>>3774251
So long as it's within the limits of the monitor's horizontal and vertical frequency limits, you should be safe, ignoring using stupidly low refresh rates. That recommended resolution is just what they've deemed as working best with that monitor, and more specifically, what the tube should be able to accurately resolve.

An example is, I can run my Megaview(4:3 monitor, 85khz horizontal limit) at 1080p, 16:9 and everything, but it looks like shit for anything requiring readability of text or very fine detail. 1792x1344 is also doable, for whatever reason, but just looks like garbage in general; The max that is decent for general use is 1152x864, or 1024x768 if you're looking for something a slight bit more standard.

[Anonymous No.3774284]

>>3774263
>>3774251 here, thanks for the info. I'm still pretty new to the CRT scene and was confused as to why Windows and Nvidia would limit my options in resolutions if the monitor is technically capable of it.

As a side note, I tried out 2560x1920 and I can get it running at 55Hz, but it is not in any way comfortable.

[Anonymous No.3774297]

How to get scanlines on Xbox 360 (Xbox live arcade):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pws_g1ZF2ic

[Anonymous No.3774306]

>>3774263
>Distance from the gun is still equal across the screen as it draws, so you don't run into issues. It's the flattening on a horizontal plane that causes issues.

Yes but what about when the CRT draws up and down? How is distortion avoided on semi flat trinitrons without special compensation circuitry?

[Anonymous No.3774365]

>>3774297
Why the fuck does anyone want scanlines on modern consoles?

If you want something retro just buy retro.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3774382]

>>3774306
>draws up and down?
Drawing to the screen is only done on a horizontal plane.
Is it not much more conceivable to be able to compensate for the position/distance of the gun's target a few hundred times per pass(which it already has to do) versus several thousand per line on top of that?

>>3774365
It makes sense for releases/ports of older games put out on newer systems.

That said, the similar functionality is available with FD/WEGA Trinitrons, but really depends on the source. Some games work better than others.

[Anonymous No.3774383]

>>3774365
Not that anon, but this is obviously for modern consoles running retro games. Not everyone wants to buy retro because purists like you made a terrible price bubble.

[Anonymous No.3774412]

>>3774382
>(which it already has to do)
What do you mean?
Fully curved CRTs have to adjust their signal to fit the curve of the screen?
I thought the curved screen was made perfectly so that the distance from the gun to the glass is always the same no matter where the raster currently is.

[Anonymous No.3774414]

>>3774383
you mean you can't just buy every game whenever you want, how terrible it must be living in your world

[Anonymous No.3774441]

Guys someone NEEDS to buy this 40" goddess! I would get it myself, but I don't live anywhere near it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-40-Tube-TV-TELEVISION/192071262939?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D21358034751c4aedbc1bb713335e17c3%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D252745094354

Is there anyone here around utica michigan? I'd love to see this in the home of an anon with some games running on it.

[Anonymous No.3774450]

im reading the OP now but this is maybe an easily answered question

I want to emulate on a CRT. What is the best way to do this? Is there any way I can convert from HDMI from my PC?

[Anonymous No.3774452]

>>3774450
Of course this depends on what CRT I have. I should add that I own none, and would get whichever one makes emulation the easiest.

[Anonymous No.3774532]

I finished my NESRGB mod last month and did a little write-up about it here: >>3774518

Here's today's pickup, Duck Tales running on it. My camera is crappy and so it looks a little blown out here, but it's very sharp and the colors are excellent. I'm very happy with the image quality on my 32" Trinitron TV over component cables. Absolutely no flicker during scrolling screens in games like Dragon Quest and Zelda 2, which were among the worst offenders with composite.

Eventually I'm going to get a FrameMeister although the Trinitron has been serving me well in the meantime. I've got a 1chip SNES on the way too, and while I'm not exactly expecting a night and day difference from my old SNES I figured I should jump on the bandwagon before the eBay price goes up to $200 or something outrageous.

[Anonymous No.3774536]

>>3774145
>>3774263
>SCART
Don't fall for the SCART meme.

[Anonymous No.3774538]

>>3774532
Title screen.

[Anonymous No.3774553]

>>3774536
your post is meme

[Anonymous No.3774737]

>>3774412
Fully curved "goldfish bowl" ones don't. Their screens are spherical sections and therefore identical distance from the gun at all points on their surface.

Trinitrons are cylindrical section. They are further away at the top and bottom versus the sides.

It's fairly simple to design a circuit to adjust the focus and intensity as the image is built up from top to bottom. Another thing entirely to do it as the beam scans across each horizontal line. That requires technology which was only at a level affordable to consumers by the mid-90s.

[Anonymous No.3774763]

>>3774532
>>3774538
That's sharp! Looks great holmes, post some dragon quest and zelda 2 shots if you can!

[Anonymous No.3774764]

>>3774441
I hate when sellers don't take a picture of the inputs or give you a model number.

[Swift S. Lawliet No.3774784]

How do I plug in component on my Samsung TV?

I am planning to finally bite the bullet and buy an HD RetroVision component cable for my Super Famicom and upgrade from S-Video.

I am also planning on buying component cables for my Wii, PS2, PSP Go and DVD player.

But my Samsung CRT inputs look like this and only have five inputs for component rather than three which usually applies to the cables themselves.

How do plug in the component cables and still have audio output.

If I can't do it, then I will buy a 5.1 surround system for my retro CRT setup.

Pic related is the back of my TV. Also, it has an S-Video input on the side plus another composite input.

[Anonymous No.3774801]

>>3774784
I can only assume that the YPbPr input is shared with one of those composite ones on an auto-select basis.

If you post the model number I can get a definitive answer for you.

[Swift S. Lawliet No.3774805]

>>3774801
Don't worry, I can just buy that 5.1 surround system with an RCA input for this.

Even makes my bootleg Chink DVD-9 discs sound really great with the DTS audio.

[Anonymous No.3774806]

>>3774805
Okay but if we figure out the answer it may help someone else in the future.

I did find out that Samsungs often share the component audio with the front or side temporary composite. Why they would effectively prioritise the inferior signal type is beyond me though...

[Swift S. Lawliet No.3774816]

>>3774806
Thanks for that info, though.

Might be of use in case I don't buy the 5.1 surround system.

[Anonymous No.3774820]

Should I repair it with silicone?

[Anonymous No.3774829]

>>3774820
Why Silicone? I'd probably use superglue, or maybe some sort of epoxy if i could get inside the case.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3774879]

[Anonymous No.3774925]

>>3774784
I have a samsung too and YPbPr (called "DVD" in the manual) shares audio input with input 2. There's also some kind of audio detection fuckery because the front audio inputs are also input 2 and they mute the input 2 on the back.
Yours may be different, though.

[Anonymous No.3775110]

>>3774820
2-part epoxy m8

[Anonymous No.3775176]

>>3774737
Thanks for explaining, I understand now.

Were semi-flat trinitrons ever used in arcades?

[Anonymous No.3775267]

>>3775176
Not to my knowledge.

I don't think Sony has ever OEM'd their tubes full stop, unlike most other manufacturers. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[Anonymous No.3775270]

>>3775267
They did, there are quite a few PC monitor models that were rebranded Sony stuff (IBM, Dell, Gateway and if I'm not mistaken SGI monitors too).

[Anonymous No.3775276]

>>3775267
They did, there are quite a few PC monitor models that were rebranded Sony stuff (IBM, Dell, Gateway and if I'm not mistaken SGI monitors too, though these aren't actually PC monitors). Some macintosh monitors were trinitron rebrands too (mostly monitors for video stuff).

[Anonymous No.3775282]

>>3775276
Damn, I should have known that as I own an IBM P260.

How about SD tubes though? Surely at least those were exclusive.

[Anonymous No.3775307]

>>3774441
I'm less than half an hour away, but I already have two large professional monitors. I don't need a large s-video consumer CRT.

[Anonymous No.3775347]

>>3774763
Sure thing.

[Anonymous No.3775349]

>>3774763
>>3775347

[Anonymous No.3775353]

>>3774763
>>3775349

[Anonymous No.3775541]

is there ANY way to accurately display 80s and early 90s DOS games without using an old CRT? My monitor only goes down to 640x480 natively.

[Anonymous No.3775560]

>>3775541
so? it'll still work and display them fine since they get double scanned.

[Anonymous No.3775686]

>>3774452
what are you looking for in a CRT?
big scan lines? high res?

I think a lot of it boils down to working with what you can find, i.e. whatever vintage professional CRTs there are floating around your local CL. There are a ton of early 2000s PC monitors you could find for $5 a pop, you could run VGA from your PC

[Anonymous No.3775769]

>>3775267
Do semi flat (horizontal curve, vertical flat) Trinitrons look awkward when displaying games that scroll diagonally?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3775815]

>>3775769
Only thing I've ever heard anyone commenting on looking weird on regular Trinitrons is scrolling when TATE'd, because of the barrel shape.

Not really a good example, but there's some multi directional scrolling in the Titan demo, and I've got it captured on both a standard Trinitron and a (massive) standard shadowmask tube.
It's at the 2:30 point; The picture itself is warping, so it may not show it too great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79qe-hQ2by0

[Anonymous No.3775910]

I have a high-res, high-refresh CRT monitor that I'd like to use for active-shutter 3D. One issue I've read, though, is that because of phosphor decay, "ghosting" can be a problem on CRTs (where the left-eye image isn't gone yet when the right-eye image is being drawn). One way I can think of solving this would be to use some sort of device between the input signal and the monitor to trick the monitor into hesitating longer before drawing each frame (in technical terms, increasing the vertical blanking time).

Basically, how impossible would it be to use a raspberry pi to convert a 100 Hz signal (100 frames per second, drawn the usual way) into a "160 Hz" signal (still 100 frames per second, but drawn faster to leave more time for blanking between frames)? Obviously it would add some input lag, but I wouldn't mind that. I'm just curious if my idea is too complicated/fundamentally retarded for me to pay someone a few hundred dollars to put together some day.

my other idea was to convert a 100 Hz signal into a 200 Hz signal with a raspberry pi, with black frames inserted between each actual frame to leave more time for phosphor decay. Would this be dramatically easier to do?

[Anonymous No.3775925]

>>3775910
shutter glasses 3D will never be perfect, and from what I remember the ghosting was for different reasons.

http://www.stereo3d.com/crosstlk.htm

[Anonymous No.3775931]

>>3775686
Not the guy you were responding to but I have the same question.

I do have a CRT lying around. It only has composite. I believe I have a graphics card with S-Video out, if I get a splitter that takes S-Video in, and composite out, will that work?

[Anonymous No.3775934]

>>3775925
senpai, "permanence"/"persistence" = "how quickly phosphors decay". Lowering the contrast and refresh rate basically are just ways of getting the phosphors to die faster. Obviously phosphor decay isn't the ONLY cause of ghosting, but besides sync issues, it's the big one.

[Anonymous No.3775936]

>>3775934 here
sorry, I meant "how slowly phosphors decay". High-persistence means they take a long time to decay. Low-persistence means they decay quickly.

[Anonymous No.3775939]

>>3775934
why dont you test it first before going through all this effort? i still have my old h3d set

http://www.stereo3d.com/h3d.htm

[Anonymous No.3775940]

>>3775925
>>3775934 here
sorry, I meant *"how slowly phosphors decay". High-persistence means they take a long time to decay. Low-persistence means they decay quickly.

[Anonymous No.3775946]

>>3775939
at uni right now, away from my FW900, and I don't own the glasses yet (thinking about buying NVidia 3D Vision, specifically). I'm just thinking about a future setup to pass time. I wouldn't actually commission someone to write such a program until I actually did test everything out myself.

[Anonymous No.3775952]

>>3775946
Need more than just 3D vision since it doesn't work with CRT by itself.

[Anonymous No.3775963]

>>3775952
actually, early revisions of the firmware work fine in "generic CRT" mode, or using EDID spoofing has worked for people, as well

[Anonymous No.3775972]

>>3775963
Yeah, but you're missing the part where the glasses and monitor sync to the 3D. For that you need one of these things.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-3D-Synchronization-Dongle-PC-Shutter-Glasses-Sync-VESA-miniDIN-DIN-3-/262026967181?hash=item3d0206388d

[Anonymous No.3775979]

>>3775972
Meant to link to this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-3D-Synchronization-Dongle-PC-Shutter-Glasses-Sync-VESA-miniDIN-DIN-3-/262833452371?hash=item3d32183553

[Anonymous No.3776021]

>>3775946
You can find the 3d vision activator online, so you don't need to buy it. You need to use older forceware for it to work though, version 285.62.

[Anonymous No.3776154]

>>3775931
It'll probably work. Some graphics cards with s-video out came with an s-video to composite adapter just for that reason.

Note that this is not ideal for 240p games as s-video from PCs will only output 480i signals. Getting real 240p from a PC requires a lot more effort and it's just not worth it unless you're connecting to a display with RGB.

Funny enough I used an s-video to composite adapter backwards (composite from NES into the adapter, plugged into s-video port of tv) and it displayed as a grayscale image, the tv couldn't figure out the chroma encoding through the adapter backwards.

[Anonymous No.3776172]

Finally found someone with a Sony Trinitron 24" WEGA and just finished setting it up. Are there any sound or video options I should use to get the best quality out of my games? Also I found out it has a headphone jack which I thought was pretty neat.

Did I do good?

[Anonymous No.3776178]

the way a VGA cable works, if I were to put variable resistors (dimmer switches) on the R, G, and B pins, would I be able to turn colors down individually, without totally fucking anything up? If I turned all three sliders all the way down without bothering the sync lines, would it just show solid black?

[Anonymous No.3776196]

>>3776172
Yeah holmes, you did great.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3776214]

>>3776172
In the standard menu, make sure it's either on standard or pro mode
Lower the sharpness setting until is seems about neutral
Turn off VM/Velocity Modulation, or at the very least set it to low.

Lower the brightness and picture/contrast setting to what seems reasonable to extend the life of the tube.

Anything more than that would be service menu adjustments, and those would all be on a situational basis on what little things would need tweaked.

That said, looks good. That a metroid chilling on the corner?

[Anonymous No.3776237]

>>3776196
>>3776214

Sweet good to hear. Also for the PS2 would it be best to stick to a composite cable or upgrade to a component cable. I wouldn't think it would matter too much, the picture quality already looks really nice just curious.

[Anonymous No.3776245]

>>3776214

Also yea it's a tiny metroid I found at Toys R Us a while back.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/World-Of-Nintendo-Metroid-6-Deluxe-Figure-Series-1-2-New-Sealed-Jakks-Pacific-/262835373645?hash=item3d3235864d:g:XDYAAOSwjDZYbDdf

[Anonymous No.3776252]

>>3776237
It matters, now that you've got a quality Trinitron you can start using higher quality video. Upgrade your cables to s-video or component, it's well worth it.

[Anonymous No.3776279]

Difference between Trinitron and WEGA?

[Anonymous No.3776289]

>>3776154
Thanks for the info anon

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3776389]

>>3776237
Component would be a quite sizable upgrade in quality over composite.

>>3776279
Trinitron: Sony's aperture grille based CRTs. Can apply to anything ranging from one of their first models in the late 60s all the way to the flat A-Series BVMs of the late 00's.

WEGA: Branding applied to certain portions of Sony's various displays from the first half of the 00s. In context, usually referring to Sony's flat faced CRT TVs from the very late 90s through to the mid 00s. More accurate term for such sets is "FD Trinitron", but that also applies to their flat PC CRTs from that time, including the FW900, and the above

tl;dr: Trinitron= Sony CRT(there are exceptions)
WEGA = Flat Trinitron (TV)

[Anonymous No.3776435]

I wish I had a real camera to take pictures with but all I have is my phone. Hope you guys like this picture of Quake nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.3776449]

>>3776435
wow, I just realized how terrible the image on that resolution was. I thought I was still on 800x600 but it was 640x480 and I didn't have a preset for that yet. sorry you guys have to see that.

[Anonymous No.3776560]

>>3774538
Honestly this doesn't look any better than my setup right now, I've seen the RGB mods in person and I'm not that impressed.

[Anonymous No.3776568]

>>3776560
It actually does make a huge difference, especially for scrolling. On composite there is a lot of blurriness and color bleed and the individual pixels are much harder to discern. During scrolling on a composite image there is a significant amount of "shimmering" which is especially noticeable on things like the grass in Zelda 2's overworld.

[Anonymous No.3776569]

Is it normal for the image on a CRT monitor to wobble/shake a little if you're pushing the limits on the horizontal frequency?

[Anonymous No.3776573]

>>3774441
that would be tits. I have a mitsu 36" console tv and I love it.

>>3775931
no y/c and cvbs are two different signals

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3776579]

>>3776568
>"shimmering"
If you're talking about what I think you are, getting out and walking in Blaster Master also shows it off.

[Anonymous No.3776724]

>>3776560
>I've seen the RGB mods in person and I'm not that impressed.

[Anonymous No.3776759]

I'm close to getting a pvm,but I've had a thought. Where am I going to put it, looking online for TV stands they're all for new flatscreens that would be no good. What should I be searching for to get something that will be able to hold a CRT/PVM

[Anonymous No.3776780]

>>3776759

[Anonymous No.3776785]

>see CRT on the curb one morning
>feeling excitebike
>bring out my solar powered portable power generator and a PS2
>it works
>lug it inside
>build a PC out of an 8800 GTX and i3
>spend Thursday emulating and watching the sex scenes in Bible Black in spectacular S-Video

r8 my Thursday, /CRT/

[Anonymous No.3776839]

>>3776560
Considering RGB Famicom mods are just off-loading PPU functions to an FPGA they're hardly authentic either. PC-10 and Titler are the only legit ways to get Famicom RGB, everything else is faking it and pretending you're playing real hardware.

[Anonymous No.3776841]

>>3776724
This has more to do with the TV lines and less with the signal you're feeding it.

[Anonymous No.3776886]

What's the best S-video cable for SNES-N64-Gamecube? Did Nintendo even make first party s-video cables?

>>3776389
Is there a downside to using a WEGA, having no curvature?

[Anonymous No.3776929]

So, I just got a Sampo Alpha Scan 712 for free, I know its probably not top gear equipment but I just wanted to try a CRT and this one has VGA output.
The problem I have now is that when I turn it on without being connected to the pc it displays image altough apparently the buttons do not work and I cant look into the options.
But when I do connect it to my computer through the VGA output it turns a green light, it makes a ''clunk'' sound and then it becmoes an orange light and it doesnt display image at all.

What is the problem here? me having windows 10? me having a videocard from 2013 or something else?
I'm really confused.

[Anonymous No.3776974]

>>3776929
Sounds like it's not happy with the signal it's being sent. You might need to force some kind of low-res or frequency range from your GPU/Windows.

[Anonymous No.3776987]

>>3776974
I fixed it I think, something weird happened, even though I now have image and it works,. the display it is now is on 800x600 I think but the screen apparently is cut in half, I cant read what Im writing now because the monitor cuts the text box and it goes ''foffcreen' so I hope I dont write many typos.
but I can see everything besides this textobx fune, it probably haas to do witrh the computer or the monitor or the graphics card.
For it to work I used a VGA to hdim connector adapter and it woreked. but I dont think it displays sound now? weird stufff.

[Anonymous No.3777029]

>>3776987
>>3776974
OK everything is working fine now, can someone Help me with the options?

[Anonymous No.3777035]

>>3777029
I also want to add something, what are some good contrast options? I have brightness on 60 and contrast on 90.
I also would like to know good settings overall for the monitor such as the width and stuff (you can stretch the image apparently)
This is my first monitor like this and I'm quite happy with it, I notice a big difference specially on how it feels more fluid and just better overall.
I appreciate the help

[Anonymous No.3777174]

OK everything is set up but this monitor doesnt have visible scanlines, it looks pretty good anyway I think

[Anonymous No.3777253]

>>3777174
Scanlines are a interlaced display thing, not progressive, aren't they? Your display is not interlaced.

[Anonymous No.3777317]

>>3776573
So S-video from the gpu straight into a CRT that can take s-video then?

There are some Trinitrons on craigslist for really cheap that take S-Video

[Anonymous No.3777319]

>>3777317
That will only do 480i.

[Anonymous No.3777331]

>>3777319
Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but how do I get it down to 240p?

[Anonymous No.3777342]

>>3776785
Autism/10

[Anonymous No.3777359]

>>3777029
>>3777174
CRT monitors aren't the same as SDTVs. Try changing the emulator settings to 640x480 fullscreen with 100% scanlines. It won't look perfect, but it's still preferable to a modern TV.

[Anonymous No.3777365]

>>3777331
If all you want is to connect a PC to a CRT with composite for emulators, then stop. Either use a hacked Wii with the CRT, or emulate on a LCD with CRT filters.

[Anonymous No.3777426]

I have two problems with my 36' CRT.

The first problem probably has an easy solution. I noticed when loading up darkstalkers on my PS2 via component that for some reason the picture is pushed to the right, allowing me to see the end of the image on the left side as well as top right. See picture.

If I boot up melee on my wii through component I have no such issue. I'll post a follow up picture showing how the entire screen is nicely filled.

I went into my ps2 settings and played around with full size picture but eventually just settled for 4:3. I haven't tested this out with PS2 games because I'm scared of my second problem.

Problem #2 is that something strange is happening to my CRT. I was the anon who posted on here a week or so ago complaining that I couldn't get perfect geometry out of my crt, but I got some pretty good geometry after fiddling with the service menu.

After I saw the problem with darkstalkers I decided to boot up 240p test suite and see how my geometry looked. I was in shock when I saw that it was again completely messed around to the point where it looked as if I never touched the service menu.

I was confused by this but figured I would just try and shoot for another good looking grid. 30 minutes later and I accomplished satisfaction. The grid surprisingly looked a little better than what I accomplished weeks ago. I was happy, I saved my changes and then turned off my CRT.

Upon turning my CRT back on I was immediately concerned. The usual strong sound of my CRT degaussing was no more. I waited a minute or so and tried the powering on process again. It sounded like a sped up version of what I would normally hear.

I guess my question is did I somehow hurt my crt by going into the service menu and maybe changing a setting too much? I want to preserve this tv for as long as I can and I'm worried now that something terrible is happening to it. I'm scared by the weak degauss and self changing of its own geometry!

[Anonymous No.3777447]

>be me
>spend literally every day for the past 15 years playing retro vidya for at least 2 hours a day
>only use a CRT
>sit 4 feet away because my room is cramped
>go to doctor because of headaches
>"I'll order a catscan"
>I have a brain tumor

[Anonymous No.3777459]

>>3777447
Correlation ≠ causation.

[Anonymous No.3777489]

What does /crt/ think of burnbot?

[Anonymous No.3777516]

>>3777489
She a qt

[Anonymous No.3777542]

>>3777447
Jesus, man. Godspeed on your recovery.

That said, a lot of us spent at least the first halves (or longer) of our lives surrounded by CRTs all the time, so I don't think your tube is to blame. But seriously, I wish you the best of luck anon.

[Anonymous No.3777547]

>>3777447

>be me
>spend literally every day being neet for at least 16 hours a day
>only use a CRT
>sit 2 feet away because my resolution is 2560x1920
>go to doctor because of headaches
>"I'll order a catscan"
>I have a shitty posture

[Anonymous No.3777568]

>>3777447

[Anonymous No.3777582]

>>3777547
who else would you be? Reddit shit.

[Anonymous No.3777687]

>>3777426
did you save your changes in the service menu?

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

[Anonymous No.3777695]

Any guides on recapping my crts?

[Anonymous No.3777767]

I am about to get into Japanese gaming and decided I wanted to import a Japanese CRT TV. What model/brand is best? What resolution is the best? 480?

[Anonymous No.3777770]

>>3777767
Never go full retard Anon.

[Anonymous No.3777772]

>>3777770
but i mut

[Anonymous No.3777791]

>>3777767
you must be 18 to post on 4chan

[Anonymous No.3777815]

How are Apex tv's circa 2003

[Anonymous No.3777840]

What is the game in the OP? Looks neat

[Anonymous No.3777851]

>>3777815
I don't know much about brands, but I've got an Apex in the guest living room that had been collecting dust. Just got done fiddling with the service menu and hooking up a Wii. I've only got my phone to take pics, but it looks pretty damn nice in action.

>>3777840
Dragon's Fury / Devil's Crush

[Anonymous No.3777962]

>>3777687
ah i never hit enter after i would press mute to write. Again somehow managed to tweak my geometry to even more to my liking and saved it this time. Oddly enough darkstalkers 3 is no longer misaligned towards the bottom right. Now I just lose an inch or so from the top and bottom but that's normal from what i've read.

Very happy with what I'm working with now. Although of course I can't seem to fix top right, its impossible.

[Anonymous No.3778003]

>>3777447
CRTs don't cause cancers though, the tube's glass is leaded and the level of radiation that might escape from it is bellow banana-tier can't go further than 1cm from the tube before being absorbed by the air.

[Anonymous No.3778102]

>>3777962
small price to pay for that 36 inch real estate, looks great mate.

[Anonymous No.3778112]

>>3777331
>>3777317
Getting 240p out of a computer isn't worth it if you aren't using a PVM or BVM.

>>3777365
This is a rough way to say it, but this anon's right. If your goal is emulating on a crt tv, use a soft-modded Wii, easy component/s-video for sd crts or component for hd tvs.

[Anonymous No.3778378]

>>3778112
What would be a way of getting 240p from a pc if I'm using a PVM?

[Anonymous No.3778452]

>>3778378
Extron Emotia, or crt_emudriver with an old Radeon card and a vga-to-bnc breakout cable

[Anonymous No.3778561]

Got a 36 inch sony wega with 16:9 enhanced mode available for when widescreen is the natural choice. They weren't lying about strong color and smooth input on these bad boys. Tho I had to rent a furnature moving dolly to move this guy myself. Not to say I could put it on the tv stand that came with it by myself, that required an extra set of hands.

[Anonymous No.3778614]

>>3777359
Im the dude with the sampo progrressive scan monitor but man, I slapped a scanline shader named CRT Caligari and its looking damn good.
I didnt know the glow was something more apparent in pics, it doesnt have that bloom in person, not as much at least.
does this look good ?

[Anonymous No.3778671]

>>3778614
Try the shader Glow/Halation, or CRT-Hyllian-Glow.

[Anonymous No.3778680]

Hey guys. How do I get 480p on my CRT?
I'm told it supports 480p by the previous owner, and he mentioned something about a component to VGA transcoder, and Mayflash. No idea what these are.

My plan is to get a nintendo wii and and maybe even an xbox hooked up to do 480p, but I assume I'll need special cables and shit to do so. Here's a picture of the inputs available to me on the back of my CRT.

[Anonymous No.3778749]

>>3778680
Is those are your only inputs, you can't.

[Anonymous No.3778761]

>>3778749
I was told that using a component to vga transcoder, then using a vga to BNC cable to finally hook it up would work. same principle as those dreamcast vga transcoders, I believe. are you saying this would not work?

[Anonymous No.3778769]

>>3778761
You don't have a RGB input there. VGA is simply RGB with separate vertical and horizontal syncronization signals.

[Anonymous No.3778778]

>>3778769
>You don't have a RGB input there

Take another look at the picture. On the bottom half there are plenty of RGB inputs. They're BNC but they're still RGB. Which is why I'd need the cables I talked about to actually get a ps2 or wii hooked up.

[Anonymous No.3778798]

>>3778778
I see. In that case simply connect the BNC connectors and make your console output 480p.

[Anonymous No.3778813]

>>3778680
if your monitor supports it, you will need to send R, G, B and H/V sync signals to your monitor, it doesn't look like it supports Y/Pb/Pr signals so it's going to be a little more complicated.

Your monitor needs to support 31khz signals, meaning if it's a pro monitor like it seems, it needs to be multiformat.

[Anonymous No.3778816]

So /CRT/
I have this behemoth collecting dust and it's my only CRT besides my monitors.

Should I get rid of it or keep it?
It only has composite and the only console I own is a PS2 so I don't really have a good reason to keep it.

What do you think?

[Anonymous No.3778819]

>>3778813
yeah, I need a y/pb/pr to vga adapter.
but as for figuring out if it can actually output 480p, how can I? I'm pretty sure it does 31Khz but i've no idea if its a 'multiformat' or not.

reason for asking is I want to hook up a ps2, wii and maybe some other consoles to it, but only if it can natively do 480p, othrwise I'll just keep using it for older stuff. I saw a post in a thread that using a ps3 on it can actually damage the monitor. so yeah. idunno.

[Anonymous No.3778824]

>>3778816
Toss it and get yourself a nice Trinitron

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3778828]

Oi /vr/, I'm probably going to get a bunch more 5 inch, a few 8 inch and a couple 14 inch PVMs in the mail later this month or early next. My storage unit is reaching capacity. Should I set up a web page or just list all my inventory for sale here? Anyone got a good domain name idea? In b4 tubes4cucks.net.

[Anonymous No.3778862]

>>3778819
Using a PS3 on it won't damage anything. If it doesn't accept the signal, and there's no way to change the accepted signal in your monitors controls, it's just not a 31khz monitor, therefore cannot accept 480p signals. I have an Ikegami htm-2050R which supports up to 1080i, and was disappointed to find that it can do 1080i, 1080p24, 720p60, 480i, and whatever PAL shit is, but it doesn't do 480p. I was a little baffled, but I support 480p isn't exactly a common production standard - and these monitors were used for film production, while 480p is more reserved for the DVD side of things.

If you send a 31khz signal to it, and it's all tiled/scrolling/fucked up in general, then your set can only do 480i. Honestly, 480i is one of the better ways to play PS2, since very few games even support 480p, and an rgb signal on ps2 is higher quality than its y/pb/pr signal.

[Anonymous No.3778863]

>>3778828
If you're that anon located in the GTA I messaged a while back, why didn't you accept my very generous offer

[Anonymous No.3778869]

>>3778862
I saw a post somewhere saying it does do 31Khz

[Anonymous No.3778876]

>>3778869
only one way to find out

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3778878]

>>3778863
I'm in Jacksonville. Just got back from PAX. I had a few things up in the air but at the moment all I have are 8 inchers.

[Anonymous No.3778926]

I'm glad I kept my old Wega TV. It's not the best quality in the world, but it's still rocking like the very first day.

Sorry for the bad pic, but it's the only one I can provide right now.

[Anonymous No.3779167]

consumer trinitron life.

[Anonymous No.3779220]

Were PVMs always considered the best for retro consoles, even when they were new, or is this a trend that was started later? Where did it start if the latter?

[Anonymous No.3779226]

how do I hook up an n64 to a PVM?
they dont natively have RGB right?
and I heard that if I wanted to get one thats already modded for RGB I have to make sure its a csync variant or something. since I'm planning to hook it up directly to a PVM, not using an upscaler to HDTV or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.3779232]

>>3779226
RGB mod, or just use s-video. For me that's the one system that isn't gonna look much better between rgb and svideo.

[Anonymous No.3779248]

https://twitter.com/CarcinogenSDA/status/828014397918498818

does this provide an actual good picture compared to BVM/PVM? wouldn't you still be stuck with whatever TVL the tv originally had? (idk shit please inform me)

[Anonymous No.3779258]

Not crt, but I got this monitor for 5 dollars from a thrift store. Got it to use for an arcade build then I realized how rad it is. It has s-video, picture in picture, and 1600 x 1200 at 60 Hz. for pc usage. Apparently this fucker retailed for 800 dollars when it came out.

[Anonymous No.3779260]

>>3779258
Nice CRT, whats the model number?

[Anonymous No.3779261]

>>3779258
>scalers
enjoy your half second of input lag

[Anonymous No.3779272]

>>3779260
2001fp.

>>3779261
I'd be lying if I said there was no lag. I have a crt. just hooked this up to see what it looks like more than anything.

[Anonymous No.3779274]

>>3779272
It probably looks nice but I can't stand old games with scalers. Makes them unplayable after you go CRT you can't go back. Unless you have a model of HDTV that apparently has a very small amount of lag, but who can really afford to go out and buy a new HDTV just to play games on, most people who buy an HDTV use it for modern gaming, and watching movies.

[Anonymous No.3779329]

>>3779258
>16ms
hoooly shit, is gaming even possible on that?

[Anonymous No.3779334]

>>3779220
It started when they stopped costing tens of thousands m8

[Anonymous No.3779391]

>>3779329
just barely.

[i love big black traps No.3779393]

>>3777253
You're so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

[Anonymous No.3779417]

>>3779258
Just in case anyone else is looking for an LCD that will do 15kHz:
http://15khz.wikidot.com/

[Anonymous No.3779453]

Quick question, if a PVM has a pass through video can that go to a capture card? I've got a PexHDCap that can capture RGB if that matters.

[Anonymous No.3779521]

cant make up my mind to get an n64, a ps1/ps2 or something else like a saturn

[Anonymous No.3779525]

>>3779453
yes, that's what I do when I capture. console to pvm, then rgbscart to syncstrike to capcard is my set up

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3779594]

>>3779220
PVMs and BVMs were never intended to play games, but are simply extremely versatile and high-quality sets that have stood the test of time. Like someone else mentioned, they used to cost about the price of a small car (or more, depending on size and features). Now they're relatively affordable.

>>3779453
Almost every BNC input port on most PVM and BVM models have identical matching BNC outputs.

[Anonymous No.3779601]

>>3777489
this is a slippery slope to full-on waifuing crts

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3779604]

>>3779601
>he doesn't love his CRTs
>he won't sleep.with his CRT
>calls his CRT heavy
>afraid to take his CRT on dates
>ashamed to tell his friends about his CRT
Disgraceful.

[Anonymous No.3779670]

Picked up a 34" Sony Trinitron, 1996 vintage, excellent condition today, for free.

Works amazing but I still wanted to open it up to clean the dust out and it was so bad that it's now turned in to a full disassembly job.

Anyways, all components look great except for the tuner circuits and this IC protective cover. Just wondering if this is something that other people commonly see on their CRTs or if it could be a symptom of some other problem?

Pic 1/2

[Anonymous No.3779672]

>>3779670

Pic 2/2

[Anonymous No.3779706]

I want to try retro on a crt projector.

[Anonymous No.3779734]

>>3779670
It's just oxidation brah. The metal can is for RF shielding. Won't be affected much by that.

[Anonymous No.3779994]

>>3779734

I just thought it was strange that just these parts rusted and rusted really bad while the rest seems to be in pretty good shape and wanted to know if others have seen the same thing.

[Anonymous No.3780212]

>>3779706
Enjoy your lamp burns.

[Anonymous No.3780290]

>>3776886
Nintendo did in fact make s-video cables, but as such they're hard to come by and usually run $30 online. I saw some guy on ebay i think in sweden who makes really good looking custom svid cables that look well made for around $20. Otherwise, your best bet is buying any s-video cable without a composite cable (The yellow rca input) on it, as typically they're cheaply made and have interference, and in some cases the s-video is just a re-wired composite signal. Also avoid retro-bit and they're garbage.

[Anonymous No.3780325]

>>3779994
Those cans are steel, the rest isn't. Stored in a damp environment probably.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3780328]

>>3779994
Totally. Sometimes the RF shields inside SNES consoles I open up look like shit. It can happen to any cheap exposed metal used inside old ass electronics. The extent of the oxidization probably depends on humidity.

[Anonymous No.3780342]

>>3780290
nearly all 3rd party cables are correctly wired, composite jack or not. They just all use ultra thin, unshielded cables.
At least with nintendo cable, you can open that connector and replace with a thicker s-video cable.

[Anonymous No.3780345]

>>3780342
>nearly all 3rd party cables are correctly wired, composite jack or not

Wrong. Buy some and test the wiring. Most third party cables produced today are wired wrong to save money by spiting the S-video off composite .

[Anonymous No.3780351]

>>3780345
>Buy some
I did (ツ)
the one in pic was s-video only. Had checkerboard. Replaced with a thicker cable and image was clear.
another was with composite, in a breakout style. It was correctly wired, but showed checkerboard too.

[Anonymous No.3780353]

>>3780351
Just because its S-video only doesn't mean its not hooked into composite

[Anonymous No.3780354]

>>3780353
It was correctly wired (ツ)

[Anonymous No.3780397]

Spent a bunch of the night tinkering with my arcade monitor when I finally found out how to reach its professional service menu...that is when I found out that it has 10K+ hours on it.

geezus.

Also I need to get at least 2 more adapters for my X-Arcade. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.3780413]

>>3780397
10k hours is NOTHING for an arcade tube.

Those things ran 24/7 for many years in a lot of cases.

[Anonymous No.3780779]

So my friend told me that he fixed his CRT's geometry by holding up a cow magnet to it for a couple of minutes.

Would this work on any TV with degaussing?

[Anonymous No.3780797]

>>3780779
>cow magnet
Wut.

An actual degaussing coil, if used properly, can sometimes fix certain geometry issues. Most sets have a built-in degaussing feature that is sufficient for everyday use.

[Anonymous No.3780851]

Found this red Sharp CRT outside in the suburbs. Old man was moving and put a bunch of old but like new items out for anyone to take. It came with the matching red remote and the owners manual. Really great shape.

The manufacturer date is 1985 model number 14KV465. I cant seem to find any info on this unit online or any for sale.

[Anonymous No.3780868]

>>3779706

[Anonymous No.3780869]

>>3780851
That's an awesome find, I never see SHARP sets

[Anonymous No.3780906]

>>3779706
see
>>3780868
Unless you're playing a game without a HUD, I wouldn't recommend using CRT projectors with anything other than movies. I want to buy one some day, but I would only use it for games without borders or other static elements (health bars, persistent menus, ammo counters, etc).

[Anonymous No.3780960]

>>3780851
That's awesome looking.

[Anonymous No.3780962]

>>3779706
Do it. Post pics of results.

[Anonymous No.3780970]

where should I go to get a small TV stand? I have a 32" Sharp CRT. I'm just going to use it for retro games. i don't want everything on the floor.

[Anonymous No.3780985]

>>3778112
>Getting 240p out of a computer isn't worth it if you aren't using a PVM or BVM.
?

[Anonymous No.3781089]

>>3780970

I got my TV stand at goodwill for like $5 then spent like $80 on Amazon for a fancy glass shelf for my consoles

[Anonymous No.3781090]

>>3780970

I got my TV stand at goodwill for like $5 then spent like $80 on Amazon for a fancy glass shelf for my consoles

[Anonymous No.3781093]

>>3780869
>I never see SHARP sets

Does that mean they are more likely to die?

[Anonymous No.3781410]

Thinking about buying a VGA to BNC adapter for my DC. I have a Hanzo and I was wondering if buying the adapter would look good or shitty on my 8' PVM.

[Anonymous No.3781446]

>>3779258
>Neil Cicierega
my nigga

[Anonymous No.3781465]

>>3780906
would playing Atari on one ruin it? Since the detail level is really low?

[Anonymous No.3781560]

>>3781465
detail has nothing to do with it, it's whether or not the image has static details which atari has fucking loads of. think of plasma screen burn. my brother in law had nasty burn in on his plasma screen from playing aeon on it a lot, same thing will happen with a crt projector.

but don't let us tell you, find out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.3781586]

[Anonymous No.3781630]

>>3781586
Take those stickers off your NES now!

[Anonymous No.3781649]

>>3781630
Dawg, I put those stickers on there when I was a kid. That lil grey box is part of my childhood, I wouldn't change it for anything.... well, except everything inside it, I gutted that thing

[Anonymous No.3781676]

>>3779258
Is that some sort of modded cart for your N64 there?

[Anonymous No.3781685]

>>3781676

It's the chink rip off everdrive for poorfags

[Anonymous No.3781916]

>>3777962
yo thats amazing tier geometry for a 32 inch tube

[Anonymous No.3781921]

>>3779248
Yeah youre still limited by the quality of the tube. fortunately a lot of toshibas and trinitrons are of pretty good quality. my 27 inch trinitrons scanlines are pretty close to my 600 line 19 inch PVM

[Anonymous No.3781998]

>>3781410
dreamcast only sends 480p over vga unless your box does some downscaling it wont work with your PVM unless yours is multiformat.

[Anonymous No.3782089]

>>3781998
I should of clarified i meant for those special case games that don't do 480p or that can 240p or will it still not accept that format

[Anonymous No.3782114]

>>3773785
what game is that?

[Anonymous No.3782120]

>>3773785
I want to buy this Panasonic PVM. It's a model BT-H1350Y, and the main problems I have with it is that it only has mono sound and it's only 13" for the screen size.
The guy selling it wants $190 for it plus $36 for shipping (he's gonna send it in a flight case so it probably will be fine in the transit), but I'm not sure if the cost is worth it considering the downsides. Then again I'm probably never gonna find a decent PVM like this ever again.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3782158]

>>3782120
>the main problems I have with it is that it only has mono sound and it's only 13" for the screen size.
99% of Professional Monitors are going to have Mono Audio or No Audio at all. The only ones that go against this are the NEC/Mitsu (and other assorted) Presentation Monitors, and the Pro-Feel like PVMs like the 2030 that come with -Optional- Speakers that clip on to the sides. If you're getting yourself an nice RGB monitor to play on, you really should invest at least a few dollars in a semi-decent audio setup to go with it. A little lepai 2020 amp and a pair of bookshelf speakers would go quite nicely with a 13 inch model like that.

Size is a personal taste thing. Some people prefer small monitors, and they do make for nice desk setups. Really something you have to decide for yourself.

That said, I've been staring at the same monitor for like a week+ now debating on whether to toss a low ball at them and see if it sticks. Not saying I'm gonna swipe it out from under you, but it is quite nice looking monitor and that flight case is a real bonus on having it shipped.

[Anonymous No.3782193]

>>3782158
leave it to the tripfag to start fellating himself instead of answering that guy's question for realsies

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3782245]

>>3782193
The only thing I didn't touch on was the price of the thing, since that's a sort of relative "Is it worth it to you?" sort of thing. $225 shipped is more than I'd be willing to pay for, and that's a lower price(due to shipping) than what it was quoting me.

Personally, I'd be happy with $150 or so shipped, if only because of the flight case which could possibly be flipped after arrival. But what they deem an acceptable price could be entirely different.

What else is there to answer?

[Anonymous No.3782250]

>>3781586
How does everyone store their game boxes. I don't want to look more autistic than I already do with having a CRT in my room.

>>3781649
I love this, weird things done to your shit when you're a child has to stay with it forever.

>>3781916
It's actually 36inches and thanks bruh It makes me so proud of the time i spent working on my geometry. Believe it or not I sometimes have very minuscule cutoff on the right side when I play games. Don't want to change anything though because the grid looks too perfect like this.

[Anonymous No.3782260]

>>3782120
That model's not the best for that line despite features and considering the cost you're probably gonna pay more than what its worth. You're really going to be paying for the safety of its arrival more than anything.
Really though you should try avoiding online sellers and shippers anyways, most of these outlets are going to have a large hike to them and you're going to risk damage to the thing no matter what. It should only be used as a last resort if you're stuck out in the boonies where you don't have fucking shit for options.

>>3782245
>"I'm not fellating myself I swear!"
>*Fellates self*
You keep being a homo there bro.

[Anonymous No.3782290]

>>3774098
it's controlled by the 'remote' port but if you have nothing plugged into that it shouldn't be hard to disable the thing

[Anonymous No.3782323]

>>3782193
What question? There is none, and Kya was nice enough to provide some context and suggestions to someone who wasn't aware of the professional studio monitor scene.

>>3782120
If you're using a couch set up where you sit at least 3 feet away from your TV, replacing it with a 13"er may not be the best idea. These sets really shine up close and personal, so whether you're using composite, svideo, or RGB won't matter because you'll have a hard time seeing it. I'd stick with a 24" consumer set over a 13" pvm any day.They're optimal for desk set ups so if it's feasible for you to be within close range of your monitor, spring on it if you can afford it.

Re: 13" Amiga Monitor owner

[Anonymous No.3782376]

>>3782193
Did a tripfag molest you when you were young or something? I generally don't like tripfags but Kya is an exception to that because they're actually helpful and don't act like a cunt.

I like these CRT threads because it's almost a bastion of sanity inside 4chan, a place where most people don't act like spergs and wantonly insult each other. But then idiots like you muck it up.

[Anonymous No.3782392]

>>3782376
was going to post something like this but figured I wouldn't muck up the thread complaining about someone

[Anonymous No.3782428]

dumb question, audio inputs on a PVM don't need a BNC adapter, do they?

[Anonymous No.3782450]

>>3782428
Look at a picture, what do you see? There's your answer.

You shouldn't be using them anyway

[Swift S. Lawliet No.3782461]

>>3782158
Thanks for that info, may be of good use in case the audio makes the component video look like shit on my CRT or I get a 5.1 or maybe 7.1 surround system for my CRT setup.

I might also get a Framemeister for my HDTV but I generally love playing retro games on CRTs more.

[Anonymous No.3782518]

So due to an accidental accident my consumer Trinitron is now full of bunny food. How would I go about cleaning it safely?
It's been unplugged for some months.

[Anonymous No.3782535]

>>3782518
If it was dry bunny food, which I hope it was, then open up the case and shake that shit out. Do some basic research on how to safely handle a CRT though, there could potentially be a charge in it still and they can be deadly. Canned air or an air compressor would be helpful in this situation.

[Anonymous No.3782615]

>>3781093
Nah, just more uncommon than SONYs or Magnavox in the US. Most consumer CRTs that I see, the vast majority even, are quite healthy.

[Anonymous No.3782617]

>>3782250
I keep all my shit in bins in my closet, and only take out consoles I'm using. Also EverDrives, hombre.

[Anonymous No.3782674]

protip: make sure your muscles haven't degenerated before attempting to carry a pvm on a 20 minute walk

[Anonymous No.3782694]

>>3781586
DK is cute in a top hat

[Anonymous No.3782715]

>>3782674
with expansion slot ?
with RGB card ?

[Anonymous No.3782718]

SCART to Component. Genesis 2. 27 inch consumer Trinitron.

[Anonymous No.3782719]

Another

[Anonymous No.3782724]

>>3782715
afraid not

[Anonymous No.3782741]

>>3782718
>>3782719
Ease off on the chroma buddy.

The tube, and your eyes, will thank you.

[Anonymous No.3782759]

>>3782674
got it home and it doesn't have a power button. anyone know a way of manually turning it on?

[Anonymous No.3782772]

>>3782759
you have to push that tactile button, with something like a pen cap

[Anonymous No.3782780]

>>3782674
>>3782759
I hope you got that for free.

Looks beat to shit.

[Anonymous No.3782784]

>>3782780
buttons breaking on JVCs is pretty common

[Anonymous No.3782836]

What's the best way to play NES games on a CRT apart from emulation and real hardware? I'd rather not pay 300 dollars for an RGB modded NES. I'd like to use real carts. I'm aware of the AVS but that is only good for hdtvs.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3782837]

>>3780970
You won't find any entertainment center furniture made within the last few years capable of holding up a monitor of that size. You'll either have to buy it used from a flea market or Craigslist/eBay. You could also make something custom for yourself. Go explore your local hardware store. I've considered making something out of steel pipe and butcher block workbench top.

>>3782674
>can't lift his new PCM waifu
Dude, I go to the gym simply only because I want to lift my 20+ inch monitors solo. Lots of squats and curls.

[Anonymous No.3782845]

>>3782837
>only lifting 20 inch monitors.

I go to the gym to move arcade cabs up flights of stairs by myself.

Hang in there though. We're all gonna make it, brah.

[Anonymous No.3782867]

>>3782836
>what's the best way to play NES
>aside from using an electronic device
I have bad news for you dood

[Anonymous No.3782871]

>>3782867
God damn. Just realized how dumb I sounded. I was just wondering if there's any clone hardware that will do what I need. I should have said official hardware

[Anonymous No.3782917]

>>3782871
analog nt? Mod it yourself? The latter isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.3783164]

I really love the way the Commdoore 1084 looks, but I want to play PS1 and Sega Saturn games on it. Is this recommended? Can it handle it fine? Is it more geared towards PC gaming or is it fine for both retro consoles and computers?

[Anonymous No.3783173]

>>3783164
It's basically a small TV. 15KHz with composite, s-video and digital rgb.

[Anonymous No.3783178]

>>3783164
It's a 15kHz analog RGB monitor, it can handle the PS1 and Saturn as well as the kx14cp1 can (it was an MSX 2 computer monitor to begin with too).

[Anonymous No.3783180]

>>3783173
also slot mask, iirc.

[Anonymous No.3783182]

>>3783173
>digital rgb.
Analog above all, not all 1084 revisions support digital RGB.

[Anonymous No.3783184]

>>3782780
£20, was sold as "possibly working" and untested, so I'm ok with this.
>>3782837
I've been meaning to go to the gym again, carrying this has made me realise that I really need to.

[Anonymous No.3783218]

>>3783184
>£20
I got a fully working BVM-20F1E for half that.

You need to work on your bargain hunting as well as your fitness ;-)

[Anonymous No.3783226]

>tfw reminded I need to pick up my 27" Profeel from the repair shop bright and early tomorrow

I only weigh 20lb or so more than it does...

[Anonymous No.3783236]

>>3783218
dang man, I thought most PVM/BVM prices had gone up and £20 was a pretty good deal. Where'd you get that from, I'm still just looking on ebay really.
And yeah, I really need to improve fitness, this was probably the heaviest thing I've lifted all year.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3783243]

>>3782845
Ur my hero.

>>3783226
I have one of those. Old pic.

[Anonymous No.3783262]

>>3783236
It was on eBay.

Buy It Now ;-)

[Anonymous No.3783264]

>>3783243
You've got Rosewood you lucky dog. Mine's boring silver...and, as of today, sporting a brand new horizontal drive transformer.

Might take the glass off it before lifting. That bit weighs about 20lb on its own lol.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3783269]

>>3783264
I didn't have a screwdriver at the time when moving mine. The top handles are amazing though. I had to progressively move it from case to case until I had it within above waist lifting range.

[Anonymous No.3783273]

>>3783269
The good thing about the screws are they're coin-friendly.

I've lifted mine onto a 4ft high table by myself. Considering I myself am 5'10 and seriously weigh about 130-135lb that's pretty good going I reckon.

[Anonymous No.3783290]

Any britfags fancy a group buy?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201809231887

[Anonymous No.3783429]

>>3782871
I picked up an original Retron off ebay for $20 a couple years ago. Pretty good compatibility with NES games. Controller sucks, but you can use regular NES controllers.

I also use a Retroport Adapter, it's a soac for playing NES games on a SNES. Works pretty well too.

[Anonymous No.3783443]

>>3782718
>>3782719
Looking good holmes

[Anonymous No.3783451]

>>3774450
crt emudriver
arcadevga

[Anonymous No.3783568]

Help me out

I just got this in the mail. I don't have any BNCs right now so I can't hook anything up until Wednesday. I turned it on and though it powers up, the screen doesn't light up with a no sync message or any color. Is this normal if nothing is plugged into it?

[Anonymous No.3783632]

The upper portion of the screen on my Trinitron seems blurrier than the rest of the image.
Also there is a bit of distortion on the image near the sides while scrolling, like a lens effect. Is it because the TV is flat screen and the NES I'm testing is designed for displays with curvature? I don't know anything about CRTs.

Are there settings that could help me or is the TV just a dud? I've looked in the service menu and adjusted a few things but I figured I should ask.

[Anonymous No.3783643]

>>3783568
Does it degauss?
>BONGGGGGGG

Turn the lights off and see if it gets any lighter at all when switched on. Press the menu button too, that should work with no inputs connected.

If no luck with all of these it's probably deader than disco for all intents and purposes.

[Anonymous No.3783654]

>>3783643
Yea at the top of the screen it has a slight flicker. Pressing the degauss button causes some pixels to display for a frame then stop. I don't see a menu button.

[Anonymous No.3783657]

>>3783632
The distortion is more over the whole image now that I take a closer look. It's like vertical columns.

[Anonymous No.3783660]

>>3783654
My 5" SONY doesn't have a menu button and behaves similarly without an input source. It sounds like it will be functional.

[Anonymous No.3783661]

>>3783632
>The upper portion of the screen on my Trinitron seems blurrier than the rest of the image.
Could be a localised convergence issue?
>Also there is a bit of distortion on the image near the sides while scrolling, like a lens effect.
Horizontal linearity. Is it a 16:9 or 4:3 set?
>Is it because the TV is flat screen and the NES I'm testing is designed for displays with curvature?
Definitely not.

[Anonymous No.3783664]

>>3783660
Hopefully so. It was only $70 but still I don't want to deal with returns.

[Anonymous No.3783665]

>>3783661
>Could be a localised convergence issue?
Like. interference?

It's a 4:3 set, 32". I'll look for a horizontal linearity setting.

[Anonymous No.3783669]

>>3783664
>only $70

[current year] sucks balls for finding cheap monitors

[Anonymous No.3783671]

Is there a reason this little tv I just picked up is seemingly so valuable?
It's a Zenith Space Command and looks exactly like
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zenith-Space-Command-13-Television-Model-SE1315W-Color-TV-Gamers-Game-Monitor-/122309263452?hash=item1c7a33405c:g:xbwAAOSwUKxYd9c2#viTabs_0

I've browsed this thread in the past and am completely ignorant of this stuff. I just thought an old tv to play my genesis on called "Space Command" sounded cool.

[Anonymous No.3783673]

>>3783665
No, like convergence.

Look, I don't want to be a party pooper but you should probably go and read up thoroughly before diving into the service menu and (possibly) bricking your set.

[Anonymous No.3783674]

>>3783669
Cheapest PVM I could find with free shipping. Everything else would have cost more after shipping was factored in.

[Anonymous No.3783682]

>>3783671
Might just be because it's a sexy consumer set. A lot of people are into that, you got a great find.

[Anonymous No.3783689]

>>3783671
>valuable
That joker has knocked 70% off the price and it STILL hasn't sold. eBay L@@K R4R3 R37r0!!!!! listings don't determine value, just so you know.

If you like it and it works well in your setup then more power to you but personally I find the juxtaposition of green segmented LED displays, plastic buttons and wood veneer repulsive. Can't imagine the guts are anything to write home about either.

/grump. I'm off to bed

[Anonymous No.3783702]

>>3783632
Looking into horizontal linearity, there is no way to fix it, and it's a very common problem with these TVs. Why are these CRTs so popular again?

[Anonymous No.3783708]

>>3783702
Flat tubed ones?

Beats me. They tend to be mediocre at best.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3783806]

>>3783689
Don't be grumpy. I resell monitors locally in NE Florida. 5 inchers go for between 20 and 30, 8 inchers for 40 to 50 and 14 inchers from 100 to 130. I don't often sell anything bigger, but have sold a single 20L5 for around 200 about two years ago. The kid I sold at 14M2 to in St. Augustine last month for $120 was so fucking elated, he nearly cried in his beat-up car as he drove off. It all depends on where you live and how much you value these sets.

I remember buying my first 20L5 for $60 + 60 shipping in 2012. I felt like had ascended to another level of existence. Having disposable income is amazing.

[Anonymous No.3783958]

>>3783806
Isn't it great to resell monitors. I enjoy hearing the stories from both sellers and buyers and of course seeing the buyers face when they see their dream monitor

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3784046]

>>3783958
I try to suppress my powerlevel when making the deals, but it slips through whenever they ask how I have this shit. And then I give them my business card and tell them to call if the monitor ever has any issues. I figure free local support until I move away is the least I could do.

It does feel good to see someone's eyes light up at the sight of a nice monitor, for sure. I just want them to have a good time.

[Anonymous No.3784078]

>>3783290
I saw that was really tempted. If you do find more people, I'd probably do that. Although, it would have to be just 5 people as the 6th one isn't working.

[Anonymous No.3784125]

>>3783806
IKAGAMI

W H E N
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[Anonymous No.3784132]

>>3784046
IKEGAMI

W H E N
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[Anonymous No.3784160]

>>3773785


what game is this?

[Anonymous No.3784238]

>>3783429


Do these do the original sound ?
lots of shitty emulation things do bad sound.

like the ones your grandparents bought yuo cor christmas that has wireless controllers with shit tons of input lag

[Anonymous No.3784276]

if the hantarex anon is still around, you might wanna look out for future videos of RGB rob, as he acquired a nice stock of hantarex.

[Anonymous No.3784325]

>>3784238
Sound quality is fine. They're both stereo, or probably faux-stereo.

[Anonymous No.3784364]

>>3774094
Such a comfy setup. Dark '90s hi-fi style, sweet

[Anonymous No.3784438]

Is there a significant difference in image quality between a shadow mask monitor and an aperture grille monitor?

[Anonymous No.3784447]

>>3784078
Read the listing again. The non-working one is a SEVENTH thrown in.

To be fair I already have a 2950, which I paid a quarter of the individual asking price for these. That said it is a little beaten up cosmetically speaking and having a spares unit along with a flight case would be cool.

[Anonymous No.3784480]

I got my 1-Chip SNES in the mail on Monday. It was pretty dirty, smelled of second-hand smoke and needed a new AC adapter plate. I took it apart, washed all the plastic and buffed away a bunch of black streaks and various stains. Thankfully there is no yellowing plastic on it and it cleaned up really well. I swapped out the AC adapter plate for the one from my original SNES (I'll buy a new plate eventually for my old SNES, but that unit is pretty ugly due to a botched retrobrite job unfortunately). The broken AC plate works but I wouldn't trust it long-term.

I'll be taking some game screenshots on my Trinitron TV soon. I'm quite pleased with how it looks compared to my old unit. I went back and forth between several games and the old SNES definitely looks softer and blurrier compared to the 1-Chip, though that would be kind of hard for me to catch with photos and probably isn't worth it.

[Anonymous No.3784482]

>>3784480
And here's a picture of the motherboard just for the proofs.

[Anonymous No.3784563]

>>3784480
>>3784482
Some 1chip screenshots now.

[Anonymous No.3784567]

>>3784563

[Anonymous No.3784571]

[Anonymous No.3784572]

[Anonymous No.3784657]

>>3778816
I want to poke this thing with a needle
Maybe it'll burst and fly around the room making a prfplrpflprfp sound

[Anonymous No.3784696]

>>3773785
Thoughts on the SpongeBob CRT?

[Anonymous No.3784705]

>>3784696
Probably a terrible tv from a tech standpoint, but the novelty factor is quite high.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3784757]

>>3784696
Toss it into the ocean, where I belongs.

[Anonymous No.3784758]

>>3784757
Kek

[Anonymous No.3784759]

>>3784757
Spoken like a true pirate, me hearty!

[Anonymous No.3784776]

C'mon Kya, no need to be shy.

We know your landlubbery is just a facade. Let's take to the high seas and plunder some Spaniards of their doubloons!

;-)

[Anonymous No.3784781]

>>3784759
>>3784758
>>3784776
wtf did I miss?

[Anonymous No.3784891]

>>3784781
I think that poster just deleted the post due to a typo or something, it wasn't like a janitor-worthy removal, iirc.

[Anonymous No.3784934]

>>3784696
tacky/10

[Anonymous No.3784946]

>>3784696
Could probably be RGB modded.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3784957]

>>3784891
I made a joke at the expense of the SpongeBob monitor then deleted it because I didn't think it was very good. Something about throwing it into the ocean where it belongs. I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.3784963]

>>3784957
C'mon man, the Spongebob tv doesn't deserve that sort of stuff. :(

[Anonymous No.3784969]

>>3784957
Haha it wasn't so bad. We get far worse CRT humor here, I appreciated the effort.

[Anonymous No.3784979]

Antialiasing patches are great. These polygons could cut diamonds.

[Anonymous No.3785315]

I'm at my wit's end. A few months ago, I got myself a PVM at a decent price. Setting it up had its problems, most of which being the cheap-ass cables I had gotten for it. I later "upgraded" to better cables, but a certain problem still exists.

No matter what I do, I can't get rid of this ghost image. It's basically a faint image of whatever's connected to the monitor, but to the right of where the actual object is. It's particularly noticeable on lighter backgrounds.

I need help. I can't just live with it, it drives me up the wall. Seriously considering giving up, otherwise. I'm starting to believe it's a problem well beyond the abilities of an amateur like myself.

[Anonymous No.3785342]

>>3785315
What console? My Laseractives all do this.

[Anonymous No.3785359]

>>3785342
My SNES and PS2 both do this.

[Anonymous No.3785382]

>>3785315
Impedance mismatch does this.

[Anonymous No.3785387]

>>3785382
This. You're most probably missing 75 ohm resistors on the signal lines somewhere.

[Anonymous No.3785389]

>>3785382
How would I go about fixing this?

[Anonymous No.3785394]

>>3785387
>75 ohm resistors

Can definitely say that's not the case, I literally just put on a set of new ones this morning. It didn't seem to help.

Unless I need to cap all of my unused inputs/outputs, and not just those corresponding to the RGB connectors I'm using. In which case, that's gonna be another 20 - 40 bucks on something that might not even do the job. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.3785410]

>>3785315
does it looks like this

[Anonymous No.3785414]

>>3785394
Do you know for sure that your terminators are actually functional?

[Anonymous No.3785418]

>>3785414
Well... No. I wouldn't even begin to know how to test them. I'm a total amateur.

>>3785410
A lot like that, yes. Only get it to the right, it seems. And it shows up the worst on colors like that, especially certain backgrounds in Super Mario World.

I think it even ghosts the left border of the screen itself.

[Anonymous No.3785427]

>>3785418
Does it get worse when you remove the terminators? Also are you using 75 ohm cables?

[Anonymous No.3785439]

>>3785418
You can test them with any simple millimeter set to measure resistance in ohms. Just put one probe on the central pin and the other on the outer collar. A short circuit i.e no resistance will usually cause the meter to beep.

From the sounds of what you've described it could well be a case of signal reflectance causing the ghosting most likely caused by faulty termination.

[Anonymous No.3785441]

>>3785418
try using pure sync on the snes (if it's us or jp model). I had that when using composite as sync on a scart-hdmi converter (strangely enough, it did not show on crt).
if that works you might want to sync-strip for console that don't provide pure sync.

[Anonymous No.3785445]

>>3785439
>millimeter

*multimeter

[Anonymous No.3785457]

>>3785427
No, it's the same. Basically, I only got my terminators in this morning. I put them on, no difference from before.

Either they're all bad, or the problem is something else. I wouldn't know anything about 75 ohm cables. I'm just a pleb who got his shit off ebay from those two well known sellers.

Paid almost as much for two scart cables and the scart to BNC cable as I did for the monitor itself. More, if you don't count shipping. Fuck.

>>3785439
I don't think I have what you're talking about on hand.

But yes, faulty termination was what I initially suspected. Hence getting new terminators to begin with. The problem hasn't gone away even slightly. What are the odds all of my new terminators are no good?

[Anonymous No.3785486]

>>3785441
Is csync not the same as pure sync?

[Anonymous No.3785493]

>>3785486
yes, but it's not the same as composite (video) AS sync.

[Anonymous No.3785498]

>>3785493
As far as I know, my SNES is csync and the cable I'm using is wired for csync.

[Anonymous No.3785520]

I have an RCA XL-100 commercial skip only for now, what do you guys think?
I used to have a trinitron but it died or something years ago

[Anonymous No.3785538]

>>3785457
Ah, so you replaced the terminators. I was initially referring to 75 ohm resistors in the cables themselves.

If you got them from Retro Console Accessories I'm pretty sure she properly wires them up with resistors and capacitors. I've heard tell that the UK seller doesn't bother with one or the other (probably the capacitors).

Either way you're probably right that it's highly unlikely for brand new terminators to all be dodgy. I'd start concentrating on the cabling at this point. Did you mention it was PS2 and SNES which were affected or was that someone else?

[Anonymous No.3785541]

>>3785498
be sure to check if it's really wired for c-sync.
you should open the plug and see how grounds are wired, idealy you want all grounds connected to each other, even though it can work with one ground wire (usually composite ground or screening braid).
also, if you have a pvm you should not need terminators, only bvms need them.

[Anonymous No.3785559]

>>3785538
Yeah, it was retro console accessories where I got my scart cables from.

And yes, it was me who mentioned PS2 and SNES. Those were the only consoles I really wanted to use on my monitor.

>>3785541
This is starting to get above my head, I'm afraid. Though, I do know about PVMs being self-terminating. I was hoping that the problem was just that feature going out. lolnope

[Anonymous No.3785582]

>>3785559
What you can do on PS2, rather than faffing around with SCART, is use a component cable for the red blue and green lines (make sure you leave the console set for RGB and the monitor too, with sync set to external) then get a guncon composite breakout box and run the composite from that to your monitor. Does that make sense?

It's even easier on an early model PS1 as you can run the composite straight from the console's rca jack, you can even internally mod it so that jack carries raw sync straight from the CXA1645 encoder. That's what I plan on doing to mine despite living in the land where 21pin connectors flow like wine (UK).

[Anonymous No.3785609]

>>3785582
This would be a huge pain in a number of ways. I'd have to get behind my monitor and disconnect the scart to BNC adapter, then plug in the RCA to BNC I have, then go behind my HDTV and disconnect my component cable so I can connect it to my monitor.

But it might be worth doing just to see if cables really are the problem. My component cable already has a separate sync connector, it's one of those shitty third party cables for multiple consoles. Would that even work?

[Anonymous No.3785665]

>>3785609
does your scart-bnc breakout have all grounds connected ?

[Anonymous No.3785669]

>>3785665
I'm sorry anon, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.

[Anonymous No.3785697]

Local CL has a 12 Inch Trinitron that has Composite / S Video & RGB / Component inputs

I want to emulate on my PC and feed that signal to this monitor. My PC can output HDMI or Displayport

What is the easiest way to convert HDMI to one of the Trinitrons inputs?

[Anonymous No.3785726]

I've got my N64 plugged into what appears to labelled as the OUT port for S-video, but it's working fine. And the other S-video port has a different connection, I think 10 pins?

[Anonymous No.3785743]

>>3785726

[Anonymous No.3785763]

Are there any Trinity version of that model I should avoid?, I have seen different models posted here and in the shop I went

[Anonymous No.3785782]

>>3785315
That's normal when you use SCART cables.
SCART is inherently noisy and causes signal reflection due to impedance mismatch.
To solve your problem just throw everything SCART related into the trash and wire proper RGB-BNC connectors.
Never, ever fall for the SCART meme.

[Anonymous No.3785785]

>>3785782
I can't wire my own cables. Find me some place where I can buy proper bnc cables for consoles, and I'll buy them.

[Anonymous No.3785790]

>>3785782
epic

[Anonymous No.3785791]

>>3785697
Also apparently there would be lag issues if I tried this? Because all the converter boxes use signal processing?

[Anonymous No.3785802]

>>3785791
If it's a consumer TV it probably has Component video, rather than RGB. If so, an HDMI to Component converter would work. There will probably be lag.

[Anonymous No.3785837]

>>3785609
That doesn't really sound like a huge pain to me.

I've just lugged my 120lb 27" Profeel up a flight of stairs and had to set up geometry and convergence pretty much from scratch using pots and a shaving mirror as the repair guy who replaced its horizontal drive transformer thought such menial tasks beneath him.

Welcome to /crt/. Keep your hands inside the car at all times and enjoy the ride.

[Anonymous No.3785841]

>>3785609
Oh yeah and the composite breakout on your YPbPr cable should work just fine for sync.

Sorry, got a little carried away with my whining.

[Anonymous No.3785845]

>>3785837
I'd have to clear everything off my desk just to get to the back of my HDTV.

I'm a lazy faggot who lives in clutter.

[Anonymous No.3785853]

>>3785845
I know the feeling...

[Anonymous No.3785873]

>>3785837
Pretty jealous that you have a CRT repair guy you can go to.

[Anonymous No.3785909]

>>3785726
what? Why should the IN have a different connector than the OUT? Never seen that. You propably got this wrong, check again.

[Anonymous No.3785913]

>>3785853
That reminds me. I have an old CRT computer monitor that's in decent shape. How would I go about connecting a console to it?

[Anonymous No.3785923]

>>3785909
I have no idea, really. it's definitely a different connector tho.

[Anonymous No.3785951]

>>3785873
There are 3 that I know of within 5 miles of where I live. Nottingham seems to be pretty good for that kind of thing.

>>3785913
Well I use that Extron scaler perched on top of the rightmost BVM-20F1E. It's a DVS-510 and is pretty good in terms of image quality and input/output options.

Of course if your monitor is capable of accepting a 15khz signal (unlikely) or the console in question will output 480p or higher (not /vr/ except arguably the Dreamcast) you can get away with a simply passive solution i.e just appropriate cabling.

What's the setup you wish to attempt?

[Anonymous No.3785963]

>>3785726
>>3785909
>>3785923
JVC was known to use some oddball 7pin connector for y/c.

Pic related.

[Anonymous No.3785983]

Right boys, I need your help.

I have pic related to feed RGBS to my display via BNC to RCA adaptors but I cannot manually select the SCART input, it needs 12v DC on pin 8 to recognise and switch automagically.

Is there anyway to trick the set into switching without having to wire a 12v line into this adaptor i.e can I pinch something from the signal inputs to power this switching or are they far too low voltage (and too AC) for this purpose?

[Anonymous No.3785991]

>>3782290
>remote
Cool thanks for answering my question

[Anonymous No.3786001]

>>3785983
>I have pic related to feed RGBS to my display via BNC to RCA adaptors but I cannot manually select the SCART input

Why not just use Scart directly? Why go through bnc -> rca -> scart?

[Anonymous No.3786005]

>>3774098
>>3785991
You may have a jumper across two pins in that port assuming it's not otherwise in use. Pins 5 and 3 are the ones for a 9044 but you'll need to google the pilots for your particular monitor as the configuration varies rather a lot.

[Anonymous No.3786018]

>>3786001
Because I'm an obstinate bastard who simply HAS to get it to work my way ;-)

Just wait til I get cracking on the 34 pin "floppy drive connector" RGB port...

[Anonymous No.3786042]

>>3785923
ok, I'm an absolute retard. It was another svideo cable that had been broken off in the connector.

[Anonymous No.3786174]

I thought RGB was a meme. I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.3786183]

>>3786174
hnnng

[Anonymous No.3786231]

>>3786174
it is a meme

[Anonymous No.3786246]

>>3786231
did u see space invaders on a 5" PVM though. mid blown, who knew the PC Engine could do that shit out of the BOX

[Anonymous No.3786284]

>>3781586
>watching the original tmnt while playing a comfy snes rpg.

comfy times, anon. nice set up.

>>3782719
cute set up. digging the vinyls.

[Anonymous No.3786296]

>>3778680
Try connect a computer to the TTL input, set resolution to 640x480

[Anonymous No.3786307]

>>3786174
clean your screen, and am I the only one who finds aperture grill lines to be ugly as hell?

[Anonymous No.3786407]

>>3786307
It's a PVM with a lens/cover over the tube, it's the lens that's dusty on the inside and I haven't felt like removing it to clean.

[Anonymous No.3786448]

>>3785582
>>3785837
It was a huge pain, but I'm reporting back after connecting my Wii to the monitor via Component. It's much, much cleaner than what I had been seeing on my PS2 and SNES.

I guess that means it's the cables, but what the fuck do I even do here.

Both my scart cables are from retro console accessories. What are the odds of both of them being fucked up?

Or is the scart to bnc adapter to blame? Should I get a new one?

Also, since I had my Wii hooked up anyways, I decided to check the grid pattern in the 240p set-up. The "regular" one looks absolutely fucked, with some kind of tilting towards the bottom. 224p grid looks normal. Does this happen a lot, and if not, how do I fix this shit?

[Anonymous No.3786561]

Finally bought a super everdrive and an official ac adapter for my SNES Jr which was rgb modded about 3 years ago. It's goregous on my 8042-Q. Camera is shit since its my HTC M8. Anyone recommend any good settings for CRT pictures taking?

[Anonymous No.3786567]

I think that mine its dying

[Anonymous No.3786572]

I think that my screen it's dying

[Anonymous No.3786725]

>>3783689
Maybe the reason why it isn't selling is because it's only got fucking coaxial for connections

[Anonymous No.3786751]

>>3786572
What is this game? I've been looking for this for like 10 years.

[Anonymous No.3786761]

>>3786751

It looks vaguely like Snow Bros

[Anonymous No.3786776]

>>3786307
>aperture grill lines
>ugly as hell
Yes

[Anonymous No.3786830]

>>3786042
i told you! Glad you got the puzzle solved.

[Anonymous No.3786859]

>>3786448
So component is fine but RGBS is screwy. Hmm...

You are terminating the sync output as well as the RGB lines, right? The SCART to BNC could also be the issue I suppose.

As far as your geometry problems are concerned, could you post a picture and let us know specifically which model of PVM you're using?

[Anonymous No.3786864]

>>3786725
Like I implied it's a bog standard mid-80s portable set with a wood-effect paintjob, not even thin veneer.

Pure hipster bait.

[Anonymous No.3786871]

>>3786448
check your scart-bnc breakout. Check if all grounds are connected together.

[Anonymous No.3786901]

>>3786871
Everything seems connected. Though, there's one piece in the head that's connected to another. Dunno if that's normal or not.

Checked the SNES scart cable while I was at it, there was a world of difference. The SNES cables had a bunch of extra shit in it, and overall seemed better made.

[Anonymous No.3786904]

>>3786901
do you get continuity between each bnc shell (with nothing plugged) ?

[Anonymous No.3786935]

>>3786904
I'm so sorry, anon. I have no idea what you even mean.

[Anonymous No.3786983]

>>3786935
This is getting a little ridiculous now. At this point I'd be inclined to suggest selling your monitor to someone a little less lazy and more clued up and getting a consumer set.

We can't help you if you don't at least attempt to research the subject or give us pictures of what you're seeing.

[Anonymous No.3786992]

Anyone have any more Neo Geo Pictures on a CRT?

[Anonymous No.3787007]

>>3786992
No, but here's a picture of your CRT on my CRT. :)

[Anonymous No.3787012]

>>3787007

>Australia.tiff

[Anonymous No.3787014]

>>3787012
I have no idea why it's upside, it isn't like that on my pc. But the thumbnails look kind of cool like that, I guess?

[Anonymous No.3787067]

Hey /crt/. I need a hand.

So I live in a pretty small flat and I can't bring my CRT TV and consoles from my parent's house with me because there's no room. I do have space for my CRT monitor, a Dell P990. Thing is it only accepts 31Khz and above.

So I want to opt for emulation, but the thing is I'm very sensitive to input lag. What I want to do is link up a Wii with emulators via VGA to this monitor and buy a wired controller.

I'm going to get a gamecube to Snes controller adapter and use that to minimise lag. My questions are; How lag free is Wii emulation? Will I be able to complete Lost Levels without much issue for example?
I'd also like to know if I can force the emulators on the Wii to always output at 480p. I don't mind a little internal upscaling if it's lag-free.

Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.3787076]

>>3787067
Why not just emulate on PC?

[Anonymous No.3787086]

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3787092]

>>3785873
I go to the engineers at my TV station. They love old shit that is easy to understand.

>>3786561
Try lowering your camera's aperture, setting your shutter speed equal to refresh rate and dropping ISO to the lowest acceptable setting. Also shoot in a darkened room to avoid glare.

[Anonymous No.3787101]

>>3787076
I can't have my PC near where I can fit my CRT. I've tried on my LCD monitors but the lag is too distracting. I also like the easy of use of being able to control absolutely everything with a controller, whereas on PC you have to boot up retroarch and even then it's a bit dodgy.

[Anonymous No.3787128]

>>3786751
>>3786761
It is snow bros

[Anonymous No.3787148]

>>3787092
Thanks man! My current iso is about 400 and the Lowest my phone can do is 200 so I'll try that.

[Anonymous No.3787160]

>>3787076
Is this nigga serious?

[Anonymous No.3787696]

>>3787086
At first I thought it was linedoubled but then
>every 7th row of pixels uses one more scanline than the others

What are you scaling this to and why?

[Anonymous No.3787718]

>>3787086
>>3787696
Looks like 224p upscaled to 480p on an EDTV plasma to me.

The numbers involved and appearance of the subpixels give it away. Not a bad job to be honest.

[Anonymous No.3788347]

>>3786983
I had literally never heard of continuity in this context before this thread and I just didn't think to google it at the time of my post. Sorry, anon.

I'll have to pick up the equipment to test this stuff. As I said in an earlier post, I'm a total amateur.

But at least I know the ghosting problem was my cables. I'll take a picture of the other screen issue I have soon-ish. Connecting my Wii to the damned thing finally gave me proper access to a grid chart.

And don't you worry anon, if this shit gets too far above my head, selling it is what I just might do. Not going to go back to consumer sets, though. My eyes have become too goddamn picky in recent years.

[Anonymous No.3788386]

>>3784132
>IKEGAMI
IKEGAMI SOON, STALKER!

As in I have it in my garage now and will try to take some photos tomorrow or the day after. However, I have a much more pressing matter to attend to...

Fellow anonymous CRT fags, I come to you with a full storage unit. I recently won 3x 5041Qs, 12x 8 inchers (probably 8041s or 42s, maybe 44s or 45s if I'm lucky), 4x 13 inchers (1351Qs apparently, never had one of these before) and 7x 14 inchers (14M2Us probably). I won't know all the exact models until they arrive here in Jacksonville. They'll be added to my current backstock of 3x PVM-9L2 (has S-Video, needs an option card for RGB), 1x 8041Q and 2x 8042Q.

I also have some RGB signal distribution hardware (Extron, Folsom, etc. switchers and distribution amps) to clear out. Depending on the results of another event, I may have two or three more Extron Crosspoints to eliminate.

My question to you is: would you rather me set up an ecommerce site to sell this shit or should I just make a pastebin list and handle everything via email?

[Anonymous No.3788387]

>>3788347
You'll get it man, don't be ashamed to use your PVM with lower quality inputs until you figure it out. Shit gets expensive and composite still looks rad on a kickass CRT. My 14" PVM actually only has composite and s-video, so I can't even use RGB unless I use my 5", and the only console I have rigged up for RGB is my PC Engine because it was like $20 to get the right shit for it. Oh and since you have a Wii, jailbreak that shit and run Component, it's easy as hell and looks fantastic.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3788389]

>>3788386
Shit I forgot to namefag. This is my post. To folks I sold 5041Qs to in the past (all two of you): if your monitor is giving you issues and the ones I get soon don't have any issues, I'll be happy to swap yours out for the cost of shipping.

[Anonymous No.3788393]

>>3788389
Oh really man? I think I would like to do that. I've got the one with the dead composite board.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3788407]

>>3788393
No problem. It may be a while before I get the monitors, since they're coming via freight and I'm leaving for PAX South in about a month. Did you keep that box and shipping materials? If not, I can send you another and you can ship back the partially functional one in the same box.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3788410]

>>3788386
Don't really have an opinion on whether just doing person to person or actually setting up a site to handle things, but I will say I'm interested in distribution equipment and the like.

Wouldn't happen to have any decent quality cabling for the interconnects, would ya?

[Anonymous No.3788427]

>>3788387
I'm actually way ahead of you on the Wii thing. I'll softmodded it the moment I got it. I mostly use it for Gamecube, though.

I bought some RCA to BNC connectors, hooked it up to my monitor via component, and that's how I was able to determine whether it was the cables or what. In particular, I used SMW to test for the ghosting, since that's where it was most noticeable on my SNES. It looks fucking fantastic on my Wii.

Been considering grabbing an s-video cable for my SNES in the meantime. A bit short on funding to replace any of the RGB goodies.

[Anonymous No.3788450]

>>3788407
That's totally cool, I unfortunately did not keep the box (I don't have a ton of storage space). But that would be amazing, I would be more than happy to cover shipping. You still got my email?

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3788565]

>>3788410
I can get a stupid amount of short single BNC cables for free from a telecommunications place that doesn't keep track of their inventory. My cables are either self-made at my workplace, came with the shit I've bought (Extron cables, Belden stuff) or were bought online from monoprice because it's good enough.

>>3788407
>PAX South
I meant PAX East in Boston.

>>3788450
Probably somewhere buried under spam but I'll find it. If you keep checking these generals I'm sure we'll stay in touch.

[Anonymous No.3788603]

>>3788565
Oh nice, enjoy the city, I've lived here for a decade and love it. There's a rad new bar/arcade in Cambridge too. Sounds like a plan, dude. We'll talk soon.

[Anonymous No.3788606]

What level of quality are RCA CRTs?
There`s a large one for free in my neighborhood and I want to know if it`s worth getting.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3788664]

>>3788603
I've been going to PAX East since 2013 or so I think. Boston is okay. South Boston kinda sucks around the convention center. Gotta go some distance to get to anything decent.

[Anonymous No.3788734]

>>3787718
>>3787696
It's 480p on a PC monitor. I'm running an emulator. Plasma? No thanks.

[Anonymous No.3788767]

>>3788606
>RCA
You can scrap it for parts and use it in an actually worthwhile CRT

[Anonymous No.3789045]

>>3788734
Hey, what have you got against Plasma?

Parroted fallacies aside

[Anonymous No.3789093]

>>3789045
I have nothing against it, it's just that I game on my display and I'd rather not deal with the burn in from it. Unless plasma is different now, but I remember my brother-in-law having the Aion HUD burnt into his plasma fairly quickly.

[Anonymous No.3789194]

>>3788664
Fair enough, South Boston is quite a hike from the rest of the city.

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3789291]

>>3789093
>Aion
Holy shit the MMO? He was playing a Korean MMO on a plasma screen? I used to be hardcore into that game from 2006 to 2009, during the Korean and Chinese tests/betas, all the way up to NA release.

[Anonymous No.3789475]

How much would you guys pay for a PVM 2950QM. I have the chance to pick one up that has not been running for too long. Is it worth it if I already have a BVM 20F1? How is the quality of the 2950QM?

[Anonymous No.3789504]

>>3789475
Its a bit dated and uses the old ide style pin connector for rgb, right? Size and quality is great but I'd take a smaller class but more modern monitor over it. That and it doesn't do 480p content which is a dealbreaker for me when it comes to the 20"+ expensive sets.

[Anonymous No.3789520]

>>3789475
I have one and an F1. I'd put the image quality roughly on a par with a good consumer set but obviously with much better input options.

I paid £40 for mine and wouldn't want to go much higher to be honest. The F1 cost me £10.

[Anonymous No.3789538]

>>3789504
The 2950 came out in 92 I think, much later than the smaller 'cube' monitors.

It has pretty conventional inputs with RGB(HV) on BNCs.

[Anonymous No.3789589]

Why might one SCART to BNC work with my SNES but not another? The one I got from retrogamingcables.co.uk works just fine, but one I got off eBay has what I believe to be sync issues. I've checked and the two seem to be wired identically save for a couple extra groundings on the UK one. I'll take a picture when I get the chance.

[Anonymous No.3789603]

>>3774065
Not all sets suppot 240p on component. Important to have that in mind when looking.

[Anonymous No.3789610]

>>3789603
>Not all sets suppot 240p on component.
All SD CRTs do.

[Anonymous No.3789616]

looking for a pvm/bvm preferably multiformat to pickup in the greater toronto area. im located midtown, will pay for drop off. paying a very fair and decent amount for a multiformat. send me an email if ya got anything, email address is in the field.

[Anonymous No.3789637]

Does anyone know anything about Sony KV-14LM1? I need a small 4:3 CRT and don't have the money for a PVM. I see it has one (RGB?) SCART and nothing else for input but I have SCART for all my consoles anyway.

[Anonymous No.3789829]

>>3777815
My uncle tossed his a couple years ago because something screwed up inside and it developed a ground loop buzzing noise.

[Anonymous No.3789831]

>>3788767
Can you tell me any more?
What failings do RCAs have to make them shit?
Which parts inside are salvageable, decent quality, and transplantable?

[Anonymous No.3789840]

phoneposting sorry for shit rotation
how am i looking

[Anonymous No.3789887]

>>3786572
Have you tried degaussing it lately?

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3789895]

>>3789840
Not bad dad.

[Anonymous No.3790178]

>>3789589
Also, as soon as sync line is connected to my BVM, it makes an awful noise that does not happen with my other breakout cable.

[Anonymous No.3790393]

>Hey man wanna play some Mario Kart?
>Sure dawg! Lemme hook this shit up to the microwave real quick

[Anonymous No.3790418]

Postem 480i's

[Anonymous No.3790464]

>>3789589
maybe the ebay one was a shitty piece of chink shit

[Anonymous No.3790484]

>>3790418
damn, I've never seen 480i look that good

[Anonymous No.3790524]

>>3790464
I would guess that too, but it works fine with the Genesis and N64.

[Anonymous No.3790525]

>>3790393

[Anonymous No.3790716]

Just ordered a original Xbox Scart cable. My Mame/Coinops Xbox is locked into 480p over component and my consumer trinitron only does 480i.

Going Scart to Component in order to try to play MAME light gun games on it.

I'm thirsty for some Police Trainer.

[Anonymous No.3790790]

>>3790716
>My Mame/Coinops Xbox is locked into 480p over component and my consumer trinitron only does 480i.

Did you install a bios that forces 480p?

[Anonymous No.3790873]

>>3790418
reporting

[Anonymous No.3790923]

>>3790790
I didnt, but I bought it all pre-installed and I am not tech savvy enough to know how to undo it. I can play in 480i with S-video, so I imagine that using scart would do the same.

Outside of this particular scart cable I already have all the other components hooked up. Its just a hotswap of my sega saturn scart for this xbox scart.

[Anonymous No.3791053]

So what's the best 4:3 crt monitor for non-retro gaming lads? Also how good does 1440p look on a crt?

[Anonymous No.3791085]

>>3791053
The best one is the best one you can get that works. If price and time aren't a problem then viewsonic p225f or sony gdm-fw900.

It's not a very good pic since it's from my phone but that's what 1920x1440 looks like on my 915FT+. I much prefer 2048x1536 or 2304x1728 if I'm going to be running a high resolution ingame. A lot of modern games hate 4:3 and use anamorphic widescreen when you have a 4:3 display. So good luck with that!

I doubt you'll find much love for this topic here though. This is a retro board after all.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3791093]

>>3791053
In terms of pure specs and the like?

Sony GDM-C520K/GDM-F520(Equal Specs in terms of resolution, but C is/was Sony's "Artisan" class monitor for color reference/grading.)
Mitsubishi 2070SB/NEC FP2141SB/Dell-HP-Compaq P1230/LaCie Electron Blue IV(Same exact monitors, just rebadged, Mitsu version had option for calibrations hardware similar to the Sony Artisan, not sure if the others support it.)
IIyama Pro514

All those are Trinitrons(Sony, obviously) or Diamondtrons(Everything else) and the latter of which are all using the same exact tube, with the Iiyama apparently having ever so slightly high end backing hardware(142khz Hori refresh vs 140). Wouldn't surprise me if the F520 used the same tube as the C model as well, just without support for the calibration hardware.

Eizo's F980 is the comparable shadowmask to all these, with a dot pitch that is ever so slightly lower (better) than the above, but is well into the realm of diminishing returns at this point.

There's also Barco's stuff, but that's focusing purely on color grading and doesn't hit nearly as high resolutions as any of the above, all of feature 135khz or higher horizontal refresh rates.

Really hoping to eventually get a response on a pair of HP P1230s that have been posted to the local craigslest repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.3791097]

>>3791093
>>3791085
Thank you for the replies! If you don't mind answering a stupid question of mine, would DSR have negative effects on a crt?

[Anonymous No.3791098]

>>3791097
I doubt it, the effects would probably be the same as on an LCD. It is basically AA after all, assuming we're talking about downsampling.

>>3791093
Kya, can you point me towards some resources to learn more about CRTs? You seem pretty knowledgeable on the subject and I want to know more about the technical aspects of this type of display.

[Anonymous No.3791138]

>>3791097
DSR doesn't work with custom resolutions for some reason. Which you will need since CRT EDIDs are always retarded.

[Anonymous No.3791148]

>>3791138
I forgot about that. Speaking of EDIDs, is there any easy way to bypass those in modern Windows other than plugging in your monitor over and over until Windows fails to read the onboard information? That's how I've been bypassing the 1880x1440 limit of my 915FT+.

[Anonymous No.3791154]

>>3791148
>plugging in your monitor over and over
Uh, that's a trick I didn't know about.

https://www.monitortests.com/ -> grab Custom Resolution Utility. Then simply delete everything except one fallback resolution you will never use (like 640x480x60). Now you can add proper custom resolutions in NVCPL.

[Anonymous No.3791158]

>>3791148
remove vga pin 12
if you're using dvi-vga adapter, you can remove dvi pin 7.

[Anonymous No.3791172]

>>3791148
>>3791154
Oh, also grab this: https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Nvidia-Custom-Resolutions-Backup-Tool
in case you ever need to do a clean driver install.

[Anonymous No.3791175]

>>3791053
>>3791093
>F980
A reasonably close alternative is the F930 (0.21mm 130kHz). Or F931 which is the same thing with a flat tube. Both of these are much easier to find than the F980.

[Anonymous No.3791181]

>>3791154
No idea why my method works but it does. The odd thing is that sometimes it will just randomly detect the EDID and go back to the normal max resolution of my display. This doesn't happen often though. If it matters, I'm running Windows 10 and my method is to make sure Nvidia control panel and the display settings window is closed, unplug the monitor from my GPU, attached the DVI adapter to the VGA cable, wait for the sound that indicates it was detected, then plug the DVI adapter into my GPU, then I open the display settings window and hit detect. That works most of the time but it can require a few tries.

As for CRU, I've tried it and it simply wont work. EDID seems to override anything I try to set past 1880x1440. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

>>3791158
I've heard that removing pin 6 or 7 on a DVI adapter can lead to no image at all. I only have two VGA cables of appropriate length and two DVI-VGA adapters and I'm kind of hesitant to be doing stuff like this to them. Are you positive that it will work in Windows 10?

[Anonymous No.3791184]

>>3791181
>Windows 10

Good luck anon

[Anonymous No.3791191]

>>3791184
I'm not really willing to run XP on my main PC just to bypass EDID and 7 really is not much better.

[Anonymous No.3791287]

>>3791181
Dude, dvi vga are dime a dozen.
take some needle nose pliers, grip tight and pull

[Anonymous No.3791335]

>>3791287
Okay, I did it and it seems to work fine. I figured it would but I'm a bit paranoid about these things. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.3791336]

>>3791191
Get pic related then.

[Anonymous No.3791337]

>>3782114
>>3784160

Dragon's Fury on the genesis.

It's a pinball game.

[Anonymous No.3791343]

Alright so, I'm having issues with linearity (among other things) but I'm focusing on this for the moment, it's really fucked and when I go into the service menu and adjust some parts, it just makes other look worse, does anyone have any ideas on what I should do here or do I just need to fiddle around with the settings until I get it right?

[Anonymous No.3791348]

>>3791343

oh also it's a KV-27FS13 Trinitron

[Anonymous No.3791350]

>>3791336
I'm not really willing to buy something that does something I can do for free. Removing a pin on my adapter worked anyways. Even if it didn't couldn't I use a custom .inf to bypass EDID anyways?

[Anonymous No.3791371]

>>3791343
Curse of the Flat Tube. Never fall for the FD Trinitron-meme.

[Anonymous No.3791516]

>>3791343
megaman anniversarry collection looks pretty good on 480i

[Anonymous No.3791523]

>>3791516

nah, it's a service menu setting that does something and add scanlines, somehow cleans the picture up and stuff. Believe me, it looks damn near unbearable otherwise, so bad that I'm just going to buy a copy of Mega Man 8.

[Anonymous No.3792213]

My xbox with component cables displays some rolling interference, most evident when using the unleashx dash. The same cable (it has both xbox and PS2 connectors on one end) works fine with a PS2.
What could be the problem?

[Anonymous No.3792303]

>>3792213
Could just be that half of the split cable desu

[Anonymous No.3792648]

Can turning a CRT onto its side for Tate Shmups and then turning it back for other games cause the CRT to lose its calibration or otherwise wear out?

Can I turn it over while it is on or do I have to turn it off first?

[Anonymous No.3792912]

>>3792648
should be fine just turn it off before flipping

if youre really worried let it set sideways for 15 mins before turning on

[Swift S. Lawliet No.3793028]

Just curious, does the Sony BVM-D32E1WU play well with light guns?

My Life in Gaming said something about light guns not working well with HD CRTs, but I just think they are referring to consumer TVs and not PVMs, but I am still worried that this particular BVM won't support light guns.

Can anyone tell me if light guns are supported in this particular TV.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3793140]

>>3793028
>this particular TV
No Tuner, No TV. It's a monitor.

Light Guns don't work with HD CRTs because what they're displaying is not actually in sync(in terms of timing) with what is being fed by what ever console you may be using; i.e input delay problems.

(Multiformat) BVMs don't have this issue because they properly support the various resolutions being output by different sources rather than upscaling/processing them in order to display them. In this regard, they'd be comparable to any SD CRT or Computer monitor: What you feed in is what comes out on the other side.

tl;dr D32E1WU should have absolutely no issues with light guns at all, be it a Zapper, Super Scope, Virtua Gun, GunCon or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3793150]

>>3792213
xbox always does 480p at least unless the application states otherwise. I've done very intimate xbox modding for about two years now and have a very strong grasp on the ins and outs of the software and hardware, only way to get 480i out of it is with composite, s-video, or scart. You need a 480p display at least for a good experience.

You could in theory force every application to run in 480i mode, but this would require a good amount of work on changing resolution headers in every .xbe file (some applications do a post-launch check and may override it on a hardware level - meaning you're shit outta luck) - Most interfaces force everything into at least 480p with no regard for 480i.

>>3793140
in other words, pretty much every pro crt (have yet to see an exception) does everything analog in terms of how it displays that picture, so there's no processing to fuck things up - the root of many problems retro/arcade gaming related.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3793152]

>>3793150
>have yet to see an exception
If nothing else, there's the PVM-20M7MDE. Pretty sure it's using the same exact tube as the 20M2(600TVL), but supports additionally supports 480p(not sure about anything else). 15khz inputs are accepted but I believe they're line doubled; 480p is apparently lag-less.

[Anonymous No.3793159]

>>3793152
M7 was probably very late in production, wasn't it? Still if you're getting a pro monitor from almost any brand you're fairly safe in assuming it's purely analog.

[Swift S. Lawliet No.3793160]

>>3793140
Okay, thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.3793280]

>>3793150
>only way to get 480i out of it is with composite, s-video, or scart.
The xbox can do 480i over component just fine.

[Anonymous No.3793339]

>>3793280
Save your breath, that 'modder' is clearly retarded. He keeps parroting the same crap which has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Perhaps that's why he's posting on a cambodian woodcutting forum rather than making money with his 'skills'.

[Anonymous No.3793342]

>>3791343

Same poster as here, gonna post some images of the top of my screen

What's the diagnosis Doc? I'm guessing this is something that can't be fixed with settings?

[Anonymous No.3793346]

>>3793342

[Anonymous No.3793348]

>>3793342
>>3793346
S-CORR

[Anonymous No.3793356]

>>3793348

English?

[Anonymous of Jacksonville No.3793412]

I'm adding a CRT section to Perplexitees to sell my collection on monitors. Will post a link later when it's done. Going to accept PayPal and Stripe eventually; hopefully those two cover pretty much everyone's needs. Will list other RGB hardware there too.

Some monitors will have detailed histories. For example, my workplace just decommissioned two PVM 14L5s. They've been running 24/7 as on-air monitors for at least the two years I've been working here. Obviously they've seen better days, but don't have any obvious problems (no burn-in, specifically). They're probably still worth a pretty penny to the right people.

[Anonymous No.3793462]

>>3793356
That's the setting in the service menu which needs adjusting

[Anonymous No.3793532]

>>3793462

what does it stand for? I can't find it

[Anonymous No.3793569]

>>3793532
Sorry I sent you on a wild goose chase. Was thinking of a problem with my Profeel.

You want corner pin (CPIN)
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

[Anonymous No.3793571]

>>3793462

oh I thought it was Corr, lol

Here it is a bit improved, let's see how CPIN helps

[Anonymous No.3793585]

>>3793569

actually I don't have that either, lol

my model is >>3791348 btw

[Anonymous No.3793598]

>>3793585
There may be physical adjuster on the deflection board then.

Be aware though that FD Trinitrons often have incorrectible geometry issues which are linked to their less than ideal design and manufacturing compromises. Don't get too hung up on perfection or you'll send yourself potty...

[Anonymous No.3793758]

>>3793598

the problem is it was looking horrid, like I couldn't stand it, it should be better now though, I'll try it again and see if I wanna keep adjusting.

Actually, yeah, this is just, impossible, I don't think it's ever going to look quite right, but it's a bit better now I think, the top's better

[Anonymous No.3793940]

I have a crt problem.

I have 4 of them, one Phillips Magnavox pictured here, 2 20 inch orion's and a 20 inch goldstar that all work.

I have a feeling I should just trash them because they are all coaxial only, and I can't find anyone who still likes CRTV's, but they work great and I do connect a messed up snes to the phillips and it looks great to me.

Should I just buy some coax to rgb or something and actually use them, or are they somewhat sellable, maybe for someones arcade project?

[Anonymous No.3793948]

>>3793940
>coaxial only
into the trash

>coax to rgb
this wouldn't fix anything

[Anonymous No.3793969]

>>3793940
No offense intended, coax only consumer sets are worthless. You can use adapters and converters to feed other signals into a coax port but it'll only ever give you coax quality. A crt is only as good as its inputs, and for retro gaming coax is literally the worst.

You don't have to trash em, but once you start using high-end crts and s-video/component/RGB connections you won't want to mess with budget-quality Goldstars and Orions ever again.

[Anonymous No.3793970]

>>3793940
They can probably be converted for RGB. Either directly into the neckboard with appropriate attention paid to the signal levels, or through the jungle IC if they have some sort of overlaid OSD.

Not saying it's worth doing, of course. Just that it's feasible.

[Anonymous No.3793973]

>>3793940
If they're headed for the trash anyway. You could attempt one of those RGB input mods that go through the OSD. Good practice for later maybe?

[Anonymous No.3794020]

>>3793940
>>3793970
Just in case you contemplate actually doing this:

http://mikejmoffitt.com/articles/0032-tvrgb.html

[Anonymous No.3794310]

>>3782719

maybe I should do this with my Shinobi III vinyl

[Anonymous No.3794664]

Not the best pic, not the best possible image, but not bad, I have everything setup for it now, a few emulators on the wii and WiiMC, I'm probably gonna take some pics of old anime on it

[Anonymous No.3794719]

>>3793940
>CRTV
>cathode ray tube vision

[Anonymous No.3794857]

NEW BREAD:

>>3794854
>>3794854