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Was PAL really a better video format for retro gaming than NTSC over RF, /vr/?

>> No.3758204

PAL is bad. 50hz is unplayable, compromised trash regardless of any theoretical 'advantages' PAL has over NTSC. It's not out for debate anymore, it's been decided and the only thing worse for retro gaming is SECAM.

>> No.3758212

>>3758204
>thinking-emoji.jpg
you know he just wants to bait people. report and move on.

>> No.3758218

>>3758212
Seemed like an oddly specific question for bate desu, even for /vr/

>> No.3758331
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>>3758197
>tfw europoor

Why does Nintendo hate me?

>> No.3758340

>>3758331
>Nintendo hates Europe
I don't see any of the games here being censored to hell & back like in America

>> No.3758345

>>3758340
You don't see half the games, that's why.

>> No.3758351

>>3758345
Only the NES seemed lacking for PAL

>> No.3758360

>tfw we were using RGB in the '90s while Americucks were still on RF/composite
wew

>> No.3758361

>>3758204

So more or less americans made one hell of a steaming pile of shit but because they threw two nuclear bombs on jap gooks they forced them to use it so it's allegedly better.

NTSC was fucking shit SECAM shits all over that pile of rubbish RCA farted out.

It's like the F-104 Starfighter and the krauts all over again.

>> No.3758364

>>3758361
I don't think I've ever seen someone be so wrong on 4chan

>> No.3758368

>>3758197
Yes pal is technically better but nearly every game was optimised for ntsc ,it wasn't until dreamcast where we got pal-60 as standard

>> No.3758369

>>3758364

Great video system you got there yank needed a damn knob for early colour sets.

It was rubbish

>> No.3758374

>>3758364
>lockheed f35 drones actually defend the starfighter

>> No.3758380 [DELETED] 

>>3758369
I'm not even discussing microcomputers with you, I'm just dropping by to say that everyone hates you.

>> No.3758383

>>3758369
>yank
>colour

>> No.3758385

>>3758380

Gotta love these millennial's and their complete utterly irrelevant nonsense.

>> No.3758389

>>3758385
millennial's what?

>> No.3758395

>>3758383

Talk about reading comprehension, you guys really need to end common core.

>> No.3758401

>>3758395
Only the most underageb& of this board would have been subjected to common core in US schools. Also I fail to see the relevancy of your comment about reading comprehension. I can comprehend that you're a yuropoor and that's all that matters.

>> No.3758405

>>3758401
>. Also I fail to see the relevancy of your comment about reading comprehension.

Seems that whatever system you had before common core was not in particularly anything better chump.

>> No.3758407

If developers had given a fuck adapting the games properly it would have been the superior format for retro gaming.

>> No.3758426

>>3758407
Games still would've been locked to 50fps though.

60 > 50

>> No.3758432

>>3758426
You wouldn't know the difference if 50 hz was the standard

>> No.3758445
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3758445

Why does this agitate the colonials so much?

>> No.3758449
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3758449

>mfw australia-kun grew up playing shitty 50hz ports of japanese games

>> No.3758464

NTSC is so bad that it does not even run in true 60hz but in 59.94hz.

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>>3758449
>mfw you can't stop talking about Australia-kun

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>>3758445

>> No.3758502

>>3758405
yawn

>> No.3758516 [DELETED] 

>>3758464
Still 29.94 more Hz than you got!

>> No.3758521

Good thing you deleted that post yank, that was rather embarrassing.

>> No.3758523

>>3758464
Still 9.94Hz more than you got!

>> No.3758527

>>3758521
Good thing you know how to tag posts, how do we know you're not lying?

>> No.3758530

>>3758527
Well you know I don't constantly bump the thread.

>> No.3758575

PAL is better for everything except Japanese games.

>> No.3758601

>>3758575
So, the only games that matter?

>> No.3758605

>>3758601
Weeaboo pls.

>> No.3758621

>>3758369
Bin that edge. I'm reporting you to the authorities.

>> No.3758624

>>3758605
He's right though. There's a total of 0 western consoles games worth playing.

>> No.3758628

>>3758624
Donkey Kong Country

>> No.3758632
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>>3758624
Oi, say that to me face, not online, see wot happens, m8.

>> No.3758679

>>3758624
Why limit it to consoles? Because MCs were more popular in Europe?

>> No.3758746

>>3758351

You guys never got like half of the best games for the SNES.

>> No.3758754

>>3758351
Except PAL got none of the SNES JRPGs.

>> No.3758927

>>3758197
That's a really stupid question..

>> No.3758956

>>3758927
Americans generally don't understand why PAL is better, but they know little beyond frequency.

>> No.3759091

>>3758480
>Australia-kun
>>3758449
>Australia-kun
>tfw everyone mentions him when someone says something incredibly stupid, yet he hasn't posted on this board in ages due to the infamy
We did it, guys.

>> No.3759107

If you want your video games at a lower framerate then you're god awful at video games.

>> No.3759109

>>3759107
The human eyes can't see higher than 24fps anyway.

>> No.3759115

>>3759109

Shit at video games, check.

>> No.3759120

>>3759115
>needs higher fps to not suck at games

Cuck.

>> No.3759134

>>3759120

Shit at video games, check.

>> No.3759186

>>3758956
PAL is inferior in every conceivable way.

>> No.3759207

Can someone give me a genuine explanation as to why PAL is "the worst thing ever and it raped my mother!" besides muh 10 frames

Maybe it's because i've never played an NTSC console and have no point of reference but i hardly doubt -10 frames is going to make my games "literally unplayable"

The only time PAL makes a game unplayable is if companies don't optimize it for PAL regions when the send it to us kangaroo fuckers and yupoors

>> No.3759229

>>3759186
You are an idiot.

>> No.3759232

>>3759229
I'm not the one defending butchered slow games.

>> No.3759245
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3759245

PAL60 master race. You get the best of both worlds basically.

And all you have to do to get PAL60 on Saturn is to open the battery hatch and solder a switch between two points near the battery.

Your move NTSC-friends.

>> No.3759246

>>3759232
Frequency != every conceivable way.

>> No.3759252

>>3758197
Better for gaming? No.

Better for tv? Yes.

>> No.3759256

>>3758368
>it wasn't until dreamcast where we got pal-60 as standard
Wasnt even with 6th gen.

Lots of shit was still at 480i@50 with sixth gen. Though it was game specific and I think all consoles supported it.

>> No.3759263

>>3759252
It is better for games. It's just not good for most Japanese games.

>> No.3759265

>>3758197
Look, there really isn't that much of a difference. The whole point is: most games were made SPECIFICALLY for NTSC. And they were ported horribly to PAL, with black bars and slowed down speed.

If they were ported right, it wouldn't be an issue, because the minuscule difference between formats is not very important.

>> No.3759268

>>3759091
What created a way to shit post and stop actual discussion any time you get bent out of shape, cause someone bad mouths something you like?

>> No.3759275

>>3759265
>most games were made SPECIFICALLY for NTSC
Most games you played at least...

>> No.3759281

>>3759256
PAL-50 will always run at 576i. It literally cannot be 480i. A game can be natively 480i but it will be placed into 576i with borders or scaled into a full sized image.

Dreamcast was the first console to officially support PAL-60. However, N64 supported PAL-60 unofficially (if a 60hz cart was inserted) without hardware modifications. SNES and Saturn support PAL-60 if a switch is fitted. PS1 and Mega Drive support PAL-60 if both a switch and a crystal oscillator are fitted.

>> No.3759290

Wouldn't games technically have had less slowdown in general if they ran at 50hz instead of 60hz? I'd trade the ten frames if it meant SNES weren't such a shitfest whenever more than 5 sprites appear on screen.

>> No.3759379

>>3759207
Okay i guess this thread is nothing but endless shitposting then

>> No.3759383

>>3759207
>Can anyone tell me why having 1/6 less frames is a bad thing
Do you hear yourself? Do you really think 10 frames is unnoticable? That it isn't insanely detrimental to fast games?

>> No.3759390

>>3759383
60fps is unplayable because 70fps exists

>> No.3759391

>>3759383
how many games do even achieve 50fps, let alone surpass it?

>> No.3759396

>>3758204
Secam was fine, you got an RGB cable packaged with everything.

>> No.3759398

>>3758754
True, but we always seem to get less RPG's than Americans for some reason

>> No.3759403

>>3759398
Dev's didn't want to have to translate the game into another 5 languages just to release it in another region

It's anoying seeing we missed out on so many great game, but considering how laden with obnoxious walls of text JRPGs used to have and still have to this day I can't blame them to be honest

>> No.3759415

>>3759403
Son of a submariner!
Sohn eines U-Bootes!
Fils d'un sous-marinier!
Figlio di un sommergibilista!
Hijo de un submarinista!
Zoon van een submariner!

Man, that's a lot of work

>> No.3759421

People can bicker about the advantages of PAL over NTSC all they want, but for retro gaming NTCS is better, there's a reason people mod pal consoles for NTSC while no one mods their NTSC consoles for PAL.

>> No.3759527

>>3759134
>Keeps repeating oneself to feel better about being shitty, check.

>> No.3759532

>>3759398
Sega fans in Europe got more JRPGs than SNES fans in Europe.

Funniest thing ever.

>> No.3759586

>>3759403
The majority of PAL JRPG release now as in the past coming out anyway with only the text in English so the multilingual issue is not more relevant.

>> No.3759591

PAL60 > NTSC > PAL

That's all there is to it.

>> No.3759612

>>3759421
You mean for Japanese games. European games are better at 50hz, as they were designed with that in mind.

>> No.3759630

>>3759612
>European games
Who would play those?

>> No.3759647

>>3759630
People who don't have shit taste.

>> No.3759683

>>3758331
I know that feel bro.
>megaman 2 musics sounds like shit
>slow af
>mfw french croissant shit tier

>> No.3759869

>>3759391
99.9% of 2D games run at 60 fps. Sorry, you lose.

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>>3759869
Good meme

>> No.3759910

>>3759898
Wow you really got me with that.

Why do palfaggots deny facts? 60fps is superior

>> No.3759939

>>3759910
>NTSC
>60fps

Good meme

>> No.3759991

>>3759939
this is getting tiring, it's got to be bedtime in PAL land anyway.

>> No.3759998

No

NTSC > PAL > SECAM

>> No.3760031

>>3759998
And that is based on what?

>> No.3760048

>>3759591
>PAL60
Irrelevant for /vr/ discussion.

>>3759630
Reminder that Rare is European and all their N64 games have superior versions in PAL. Aside from that, you're pretty much right though

>> No.3760052

>>3759991
>PAL land
Yes, Brazil, Europe and Australia share the same timezone. Nice education bruh

>> No.3760086

>>3760048
how are the pal versions of Rare n64 games superior? please elaborate, this is news to me.

>> No.3760113

>>3760086
higher resolution & less slowdowns than ntsc

>> No.3760136

>>3760113
interesting...

>> No.3760147

>>3759991
>NTSC
>60hz

You can keep on repeating it but it does not make it true you know. It's 59.94hz. NTSC system is such a hack.

>> No.3761830

So /vr/ prefers PAL now? That's somethin'.

>> No.3761831

>>3761830
>vr is one person

>> No.3761846

People that think that 60hz=60fps are the true retards.

>> No.3761873

>>3761846
It's generally the case. Meanwhile you can't get more than 50fps on 50hz.

>> No.3761889

>>3761873
>It's generally the case.
No it isn't. For example in the whole NTSC N64 library there is barely 10(if even that) titles running more than 30fps

>> No.3761898

>>3761889
Okay; now compare that to the thousands of SNES, Genesis, and NES games that run at silky smooth 60fps.

>> No.3761928

>>3761898
If you take all consoles that supported SD output only, there are more games running at sub 60fps. PSX alone had more games than the SNES and Genesis combined. Let's not even delve into games that are plagued by rampant slowdowns(or are running in permanent slowdown) like Contra or Gradius those are 60hz but certainly not 60fps

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>>3761898
>SNES games
>silky smooth

>> No.3761956

>>3761953
Yeah this