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Previous thread >>3701596
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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Remember, don't fall for it.

>> No.3724665

I hooked up my PS1 to the TM-H1700 I got through composite, and man, does it look fucking great. I have never seen a game console on anything but Funai shit through composite, so even this is a huge leap for me. I just wish I could take pictures of it that showed how nice it really looks, do you guys use tripods?

>> No.3724686

so just got myself a jvc dtv1710cg with the rgb card slot. since the sega genesis cant do composite whats the best converter to us to get picture

>> No.3724709

also want to have this working with my video switcher

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Hello /crt/ guys! I have a problem and I hope you can help me. And sorry for my bad english

I have this old Himitsu TV (IDK if it's a debranded one) with image problem: the image looks stretched at both sides (left & right). It does'nt have in menu options to adjust the image size, so I think it may be a component problem, but I'm not sure.

It didn't had that problem before. The image was ok, but from one day to another, the problem came.

Maybe here are some experienced guys that can help me.

Thanks in advance :)

>> No.3724754


It looks like that monitor has a Y/C input meaning S-video try this cable. It's a cheap price but it's the legit one. I've bought two.


It's the official S-Video Cable for the ps3 but it's whta I use for my Ps2 and PS1 on my 14n5u. Makes it look miiiiiiiiiiiles better.

What model Genesis do you have?

>> No.3724758

The largest 4:3 VGA PC CRT monitor is 21" (viewable) although you might want to settle for 20" which is easier to find.

These are flat however.

What is the largest curved 4:3 VAG PC CRT monitor?
I have seen curved 16", are there any larger?

>> No.3724779

Try setting the video on the ps2 to 4:3 also check the TV settings menu for an overscan option set it to off. If you don't find that see if you can find an image scale option and set it to 4:3

>> No.3724798

If the monitor has the RGB/Component card, the easiest thing to do would be to buy an (RGB) SCART cable for the Genesis, and a SCART to BNC breakout cable to connect it to the monitor.

Usually, yes. I do need to get a new one though, this couple year old chinese one is falling apart on me.

Depends on what you'd consider a "VGA PC CRT".

There's the Gateway Destination monitors, which go up to something like 36''. And of course the NEC XM/XP Monitors, and the Mitsubishi Megaviews, though those admittedly don't actually have standard VGA connectors.

>> No.3724852

Does black frame insertion reduce motion blur on CRTs too, or just LCDs? I know motion blur on CRTs is caused by long phosphor decay time; do the black frames just give the old frame more time to go away before the each new one is displayed? And do the black frames (on a high-refresh monitor) give the illusion that the monitor is dimmer overall, or does it seem about as bright as without the black frames?

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fuck dat moire tho

>> No.3724896

black frame insertion is basically raster sweep for lcds. It makes little sense on crt and does dim.

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Never fall for the scart meme.

>> No.3725028

but look how many pins it has. more pins = more better image qualities.

>> No.3725041

Turbo noob here.

Is there anyway to focus my TV without electrocuting myself?
Like can I do it unplugged using trial and error?

There is no menu functionality to do it on my TV, so I have to turn the knobs with a screwdriver or something, and I have no confidence in myself.

>> No.3725105

Use an insulated screwdriver
Wear rubber gloves
Wear rubber boots
Keep your free hand behind your back

If you manage to fry yourself despite all this, I'll eat my anode cap

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>had a 32" SONY CRT when I was a kid
>pretty high quality TV
>I knew why CRTs were better than flatscreens for gaming even when I was a kid
>insisted my mom to keep it
>she sold it anyway

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You can get one for free now so why care?

>> No.3725158

Not in this shit city where everyone hoards literally everything and the few things they do sell they want you to pay for it as if it was brand-new.

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>Don't fall for the scart meme.

What did he mean by this?

>> No.3725502

What game is this

>> No.3725580

Kek what city is this?

>> No.3725593

Is that photo from UHF?

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>tfw you will never have a qt curved 4:3 VAG gf

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I want a cheap way to play my DOS games on my consumer CRT (not a PC monitor) via composite

Alone in the Dark 1992 and some Dark Force

What should I buy? Raspberry Pi?

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Excuse the phone pic, but my Saturn looks absolutely gorgeous through S-Video. Panzer Dragoon is a beautiful game.

>> No.3725870


Any way to get into good CRT emulation

a pesky opengl shader?

> oh hey look ive got this cool shader
> good for you... because I cant use it

>> No.3725895


is this an HD enabled TV? Tell me more, I'd also like to run modern games on my CRT and not have them look terrible, last time I did it I had to use S-Video and the font was so small I couldn't read anything.

>> No.3726031

The problem is not the PS2, the problem is in the TV. The TV doesn't have options to fix the size of the image, it only have basic options for brightness, contrast, etc :/

>> No.3726087

It's a multi-sync CRT. Similar to using a PC CRT, just bigger.

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depending on your crt and its inputs you have several options
>last time I did it I had to use S-Video and the font was so small I couldn't read anything.
the whole PS360 gen was made with 720p in mind, and devs simply forget to scale text and ui for those not having a good enough display (ツ)

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>/vr/ janitors are faggots

What did he mean by this?

>> No.3726352

That sucks. I still see them on the side of the road at rental houses on a monthly basis when poor people get evicted
>tfw i cant fit them in my car

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>he can't carry it a mile single-handedly during a category 5 hurricane

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>> No.3726586

Some shithole in south america.

>> No.3726674

>try it with PS3 which has HCDP on all the time.
>it just werks
well, color me surprised... I bought the cheapest hdmi-vga converter and it even works with full color range that you can't get over component. My old hdfury can't do that...
The thing with PS4 is that it doesn't output enough juice over HDMI so you need either a powered converter (usually over USB), or go through a device that has give enough power like an AV reciever.

>> No.3726827

theres a curved varation of the fw-900 iirc

>> No.3726880

I just use an HDMI to S-Video converter currently. It also has Composite, but fuck that. I'm not some filthy savage.

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>HDMI to S-Video converter

>> No.3726915

I don't say this very often but,

>> No.3726947
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what's the best way to connect a pvm to pc ? to play emulated games? cables? software? converters?

pic related, trying to do it on a 5inch pvm

>> No.3727018

Does it accept RGB?

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>> No.3727153

Extron VSC

>> No.3727238

Well, he did ask for the cheapest.

I was looking at the VSC 500 to replace my current set-up, but I'm not sure it's really worth it. It would mean having to run separate audio, for one thing, which isn't horrible but still more wires coming from my laptop. And I won't be able to get 240p for emulating 5th gen without yet another device such as an Emotia or Rxi. I think... Maybe someone with a better understanding could confirm that last bit though.

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I don't see how you're going to avoid running separate audio in any case. There's no SCART or HDMI on the PVM and the inbuilt speaker (assuming it even has one) is shit and mono.

If you really must have 240p yes you will need to add an Rxi after the VSC or try to track down one of the handful of Emotias still remaining in the wild. You probably wouldn't be able to notice any difference between 240p and 480I on a 5" 250tvl screen though.

>> No.3727268

Not 5" PVM anon, but thank you for confirming. 240p makes a huge difference on a 36" Trinitron.

>> No.3727315

>sent a mail trying to bring down 700€ asked price for a 19" DT-V
>without RGB card
wish me luck... I won't pay more than 150 so I highly doubt I'll succeed. But the ad has been sitting for months.

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I have a chance to pick up a Sony GVM-2100QM (or maybe 2 of them)

Worth pursuing?

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What game is this a picture of??

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Sorry 'bout that.

It's Tails' Adventure for the Game Gear. Specifically, a modified version of it for the Master System that changes the colors to work better with the SMS's palette(since the GameGear uses a large one) and maps the controls to play better with console controllers(by default, it seems game gear stuff maps certain things to player 2 if being run on a Master System/Mega Drive)

tl;dr: Tails' Adventure Master System Conversion.

Was also trying to mess around with a GG Mega Man conversion, but the controls for that are still buggy.

>> No.3727591

cool thanks

>> No.3727592

Is this the hack you mentioned?

>> No.3727595

forgot link, sorry http://www.smspower.org/Hacks/TailsAdventures-GG-GG2SMS

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Yeah, that's it alright.

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Hey /crt/. I have a question... Have any of you been able to find CRTs at a recycling plant? Me and a friend were going to go down there next week and see if we could find any good ones there like a nice consumer Trinitron or maybe even a PVM.

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Pic of inputs related.

Apparently it will accept 15-36kHz signals.

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>> No.3727834

What do you suppose they are worth?

Do I dare low-ball them or are they likely to be in high demand?

>> No.3727841

I wouldnt pay more than like 150 for a CRT in general but im not representive of this thread.
Low-ball them imo.

>> No.3727917
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What does /CRT/ think of my lowely setup?

It's nothing special, just a Samsung CXD1342

>> No.3727953

150 what? USD?

I'm Brit btw.

>> No.3727958

Composite+slot mask/10

Looks fine m8

>> No.3728014

Looks good

>> No.3728030


You are risking a couple different things by doing this.

Firstly, the possibility of bugs living in the set. Secondly, it was very likely left out in the weather at some point before it was picked up from the curbside. Or it may have been stored outdoors in a large bin at some intermediary facility like a local township yard prior to being taken to an actual recycling center. Third, being discarded means unlikely to have been handled with any sort of care by anyone who had to move it right up to the point you spot it.

Point being you have no way of knowing the thing either works or is otherwise undamaged internally, and you may be taking the thing right back where you got it. But if you have the free time and no other options, then I guess go for it.

I have of 2 pic-related, one which I got off of craigslist, and the other ebay. They took a while to get. It's a great TV for both games and movies. If you are patient, there are better options. If craigslist or ebay is not showing anything in your area, look up other similar sites and apps. There are many.

>> No.3728043

looks meh dont believe the hype/circlejerk

>> No.3728070

It's the same TV I've used since childhood, I was just curious how you guys thought it held up.

I've also gotten ahold of my dad's old 42" Trinitron, but it's unfortuantly a HD CRT.

So my options are either Composite on the CXD, or S-Video on the Trinitron.

>> No.3728087

I have no need to mislead the guy as I know what top-quality CRTs look like (4 BVMs all fed RGB through Van Damme cabling via Extron switchers and other gubbins)

Stop being a turboautist and just accept it looks fine. There's enough elitism going on around here as it is.

>> No.3728140

I think it would be good for NES or Master System

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Looks nice. Very similar looking to my GXTV, which isn't surprising since it's the same size and make(13'' Samsung)

>> No.3728237

I use it all the time for Duck Hunt.


I just looked up the GXTV. That's a pretty cool display.

>> No.3728353

>finally get the cables I need to hook my Famicom up to my VCR in order to use it on my PVM through composite
>VCR doesn't have buttons to change the channel manually
Luckily I had a Toshiba DVD/VCR combo lying around that went up to channel 96.

>> No.3728379

Did you fix the GXTV?

>> No.3728383
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Anybody have trouble with the humidity sensor on Sonys? I have to blow dry the back vents to make my TV work. Anyone know of a permanent fix without opening it up?

>> No.3728427

All right, I'm a newbie to this stuff. What are some decent cables for DC and PS1? Are there any passable ones for a not-so-huge price?

>> No.3728452

What signal type?

>> No.3728531

Any thoughts on one of these for a retro setup? I'm starting to run out of outlet options and am looking at power conditioners. Found someone selling this and claims it as practically new.



>> No.3728565

>Anyone know of a permanent fix without opening it up?

Sorry to say, but no.

I have read through threads where dudes leave the tv on all the damned time just to keep it warmed up. I myself keep both of mine next to radiators, more because it worked out that way than by design though.

Anyway, if you search old AVSforum and racketboy threads, you will find lots of info. Some pertaining to your particular issue.

>> No.3728587

Ps1 (and ps2)

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Okay I now have the choice between the GVM or an Ikegami 20-80r. Both similar price.

Part of me is screaming to get the Ikegami as I've always wanted one but the GVM's rarity and multi format capability keeps drawing me back.

Bear in mind I already have 4 BVM-20s (2 F1s and 2 G1s) and a PVM-2950 plus a couple of very nice PC CRTs.

Help me out here /vr/

>> No.3728608

Good call Tosh.

Those are dirt cheap at the minute and deliver 90% of the quality of RGB at 10% of the cost (and hassle)

>> No.3728626

No, not yet. Honestly haven't done much with my CRTs in the past several weeks; Been busy with work and drawing.

>> No.3728641

get both and sell 2 bvms

>> No.3728643

I just got a Pre-TMSS Model 1 Genesis but I have no CRT to play it on yet. Feels pretty bad. When I have my headphones on and the sound going on my TV at the same time I can hit the pause button and hear sound still coming from the TV for a short time after I hear none on my headphones.

>> No.3728651

Hey, that's not a bad call actually.

What's the going rate? I have one with 4k hours which might bring a few quid.

>> No.3728652

Are there any HDMI to Composite converters so I can plug my tv into my computer and emulate games. I just picked up a 24' Trinitron

>> No.3728657

Better off with filters than a converter using composite.

>> No.3728659

Okay. I was just wondering. Going to be using my Wii as an emulation machine anyway.

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That's some savage input lag.

Wew lad.

>> No.3728689

Can emulators on the Raspberry Pi 3 switch between 240p and 480i depending on the game being emulated? I know a small number of PS1, N64, SNES, and even Genesis games make use of interlaced video modes, and I'd like to display them as faithfully as possible.

>> No.3728709

RPi can't do 240p at all.

>> No.3728749

Source? I thought it could.

>> No.3728763

Yes it can

CEA Mode 8

>> No.3728791

Does RF through a VCR even output to composite? It probably still looks like shit.

>> No.3728793

I honestly didn't expect them to be the legit cables at that price but if they weren't I would just get my money back and likely get to keep the cables in the end. Super happy they ended up being legit.

They are some super sexy looking cables as well.

>> No.3728830

Yeah, that's kind of how VCR passthrough works.

>> No.3728831


>> No.3728839

Thanks, will do

>> No.3728857

Guys Welp.
My BVM14G5U started to make some weird electrical noise from time to time, even in standing by mode(tube turned off) while playing I see a very subtle interference line when the noise happens, but only if I look closely. It's still fully functional and I played Star Craft 64 today, but I'm getting really paranoid with these noises, I'm afraid it's going to die on me anytime

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TV just came in earlier. I see i would need a step down converter. But how would I plug this in?

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Man this thing is pretty.

>> No.3728886

It's just an IEC cable extender, just plug one in.

>> No.3728897

Before I hop on this, I just want to confirm: it's actually PS1 and 2 despite saying 3 on the page?

>> No.3728898

Standard ass PC power cord. Same type most TVs use.


You can find them at any office supplies or electronics store.

>> No.3728902

Yes the picture I just posted is it running on my ps2 but it works on ps1 as well.

>> No.3728913

Aha! Thanks then, that looks like just what I'm looking for.

>> No.3728918

i don't know, just cover your expenses mang.

>> No.3728960

GVM all the way

but considering what you already have, the ikegami is nice change of pace. i also prefer high TVL shadow masks to aperture grilles,

but desu this>>3728641

>> No.3728986

That it doesn't actually make it composite, or that it does?

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Non-Trinitron tubes on monitors bearing the Sony name?

Just what in the FUCK is going on here?

>> No.3729404

They are monochrome monitors.

>> No.3729405


>> No.3729716

I mean the Famicom internally generates composite, which is turned into RF (which is still a kind of composite video with audio), and then the VCR picks up that channel, (re)modulates it to composite with a split audio channel, and then pumps if out of it's composite out and audio out ports.

It's not an ideal signal chain (though it is the best you can do on an unmodified original Famicom), but it is real composite because there's no color-space conversion or anything like that happening AFAIK. It's not like the French NES making 'RGB' from the internal composite signal, or making colors out of data that isn't there, it's just versions of composite being converted back and forth.

>> No.3730215

This may sound stupid. But that cable is coming from my TV. Every cord I can find that fits into it only supports 120V but the TV needs 240v. I have a Voltage converter being delivered but im still confused on the cords.

>> No.3730219

>that cable is coming from my TV.
We know

>> No.3730253

So I would need to get a 240v IEC cable to connect to my tv and plug into my voltage converter? I was just confused because one anon posted a link for a IEC cable but it looks like its only for 120v.

>> No.3730263

>connect PC to PS2 through FireWire
>ground loop artifacts visible on screen
Didn't think such a long chain was even possible.

>> No.3730303

The PS2 supports FireWire?

>> No.3730323

Yes, some games used it for local multiplayer on multiple consoles, something like a LAN party but through FireWire.

>> No.3730328

That was its link cable in the earlier hardware revisions.

Not sure what you can achieve by linking it to a PC though.

>> No.3730330

So kind of like multiplayer over null model serial cable.

>> No.3730334

Would using a laptop help?

>> No.3730340


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Live memory editing among other things.

It was actually a laptop, just didn't think it was worth specifying.

>> No.3730362

Censor that flag for us krauts we might destroy the world again if we see it.

>> No.3730395

Wow, learn something new every day.

>> No.3730638 [DELETED] 

A lightweight pocket monitor. The Sony HDM-3830 weighs 405 pounds (and it's original cost of $70,000 probably makes it the most expensive CRT display ever made): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvX_yWdltiM

Consider it dates to the late 80's early 90's as a pioneering HDVS HDTV display and still holds up remarkably well. I've seen maybe one on eBay in the last 15 years. http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/18198/sony_hdm-3830.pdf

>> No.3730640 [DELETED] 

A lightweight pocket monitor. The Sony HDM-3830 weighs 405 pounds (and it's original cost of $70,000 probably makes it the most expensive CRT display ever made): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvX_yWdltiM [Embed]

Consider it dates to the late 80's early 90's as a pioneering HDVS HDTV display and still holds up remarkably well. I've seen maybe one on eBay in the last 15 years. http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/18198/sony_hdm-3830.pdf

>> No.3730648

>I've seen maybe one on eBay in the last 15 years

Presumably that's the one that's on there right now:

>> No.3730649
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A lightweight pocket monitor. The Sony HDM-3830 weighs 405 pounds (and it's original cost of $70,000 probably makes it the most expensive CRT display ever made): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvX_yWdltiM

Consider it dates to the late 80's early 90's as a pioneering HDVS HDTV display and still holds up remarkably well. I've seen maybe one on eBay in the last 15 years. http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/18198/sony_hdm-3830.pdf

>> No.3730651
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You post-switching mother...

>> No.3730657

a classic

>> No.3730659

I'm OCD about the way the quote "crossed out" in it's original form so I "prettied it up". How fucked up it is that that legibility thing bothered me is another matter.

>> No.3730831
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I managed to find my Families old CRT up in the attic. Works fine but i cannot find any information about it anywhere.

It's called the Panasonic TX-1 according to my mother its from the 80's. It only has AV out and Aerial out and is only in Mono.
I'm new to the whole CRT thing so does anyone have any information involving the model? Its a UK TV.

Pic is Rayman running on psx

>> No.3730839

Perhaps if you took a proper picture of it someone could help.

Also, it's not called the TX-1. I can tell you that right now. TX-something but not 1.

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>> No.3730863

how does a color vector monitor work (like Star Wars and Tempest had)? Does it have a shadow mask or aperture grille like a raster monitor, or did it do something else?

>> No.3730969

>Van Damme cabling
Would you recommend this brand for custom cables? I need to recable my consoles for use with extron VGA switch.

>> No.3731226
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newbie question but what is the little white square that is on top of most Sony PVM's for?

>> No.3731231

Is there anyway for me to run component on a monitor that only has inputs for composite and RGB? I don't have the fancy cables or sync and don't plan on getting them.

>> No.3731235

Tally light/lamp.

>> No.3731239

>I don't have the fancy cables or sync
How would you play without sync? How would you even see anything.

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>> No.3731298
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You'll need a gizmo to transcode component into RGB

>> No.3731420


The tubes used for vector monitors are essentially the same as those for raster display i.e RGB triads for colour and none for monochrome.

It's the drive circuitry which makes them different.

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>> No.3731584

You're not supposed to tell them, anon. You're supposed to make something up, like if it flashes red when you power up the monitor, your electron guns are about to die, or something.

>> No.3731698
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Best I can do

>> No.3731853

In the settings of the Playstation 2 there is an option called Component video mode.

You have to set it to YPbPr for it to properly output to your component jacks on your TV.

The other mode is called RGB. If you set it to this mode the sync and colour on the screen will be screwed up, at least when you plug it into your component in on the TV.

But what if you buy RCA>BNC adapter tips for your component cable and then plug it into the back of your professional CRT monitor?
Is it possible for the PS2 to output RGB without the use of a SCART cable?

>> No.3731894

Yes, if the monitor accepts sync on green (sonys do)

>> No.3731914
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Anyone have any idea if the deflection boards of BVM-20F1 and G1 can be swapped?

Is it likely to release the magic smoke or simply not display an image?

>> No.3732116

That will ONLY work for 480p+ resolutions. The PS2 will only output RGBS while in it's various 15khz video modes. It's only once you activate progressive scan or force it into the various VGA modes/1080i that it will switch to RGsB.

>> No.3732125

one of these is up for sale on my craigslist its got a trinitron screen, worth going for? y/n? Only bad thing I see is that the lowest resolution it has is 640x480 but that's not too bad is it?

>> No.3732128

Shit, forgot link


Gonna be using this on my pc for emulation and PS2 and Wii

>> No.3732151

It's highly unlikely to have D-Sub VGA, just FYI. You'll probably need to get an adapter to use it with modern gear. I used to have a bunch from my classic Mac collecting days.

>> No.3732161
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This >>3732151

I think pic related is the correct diagram for you purposes

>> No.3732167
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Looks like it, these are what I used to use. The ones with dip-switches are typically much better and allow you to pick resolutions.

>> No.3732172

You can either get a modchip and force RGsB at boot time, get GSM and force RGsB per-game or you can mess around on the board itself and get RGBHV.

>> No.3732182

Ah I thought it wouldn't have regular VGA Is it still worth getting for 20$ then? with one of those converters?

>> No.3732191

I would say go for it, it's going to look cooler than your run-of-the-mill VGA monitor, and it's not like you'll be out a lot of money if you have issues down the line.

>> No.3732897

I have a 640X480 Mac CRT.

To connect it to a regular PC do I need to buy this special adapter with the dip-switches or can I just use a plain VGA>DB15 adapter with no switch puzzle minigame to play?

>> No.3732905

Speaking from experience here, unless your GPU supports sync-on-green it's not going to work.

>> No.3732931

Do any onboard GPUs from the last 15 years support sync-on-green or do I have to buy a discrete video card to be able to output this mode?

>> No.3732967

I'm not sure but a quick google search led me to this:

>> No.3733026

>got a nice 24 inch crt wega on craiglist
>was gonna buy a PSX and modchip it to play all dem classics
>found out I can output my modded psp on it and play PSX games that way

im so fucking happy right now

should I play grandia or xenogears?

I've played pretty much every other notable rpg on the system

>> No.3733163

Ok, reading that it looks like I will have to buy the switch puzzle VGA>DB15 adapter.

There is another thing, this monitor's only mode is 640x480x67Hz

Will Windows be able to work with the unusual 67Hz or will it cause vertical desyncing and screen scrolling?

What about emulators in fullscreen mode that play the game in 60Hz (or 50 for PAL), will they be able to synchronize with this monitor?

>> No.3733193

xenogears. grandia is shit on PSX

>> No.3733506
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Are you sure?

Pic related seems to suggest otherwise.

>> No.3734072


I am someone else than the Multiscan20 guy you first replied to.

Call me Applecolor13 I guess.

>> No.3734120

Has anyone here ever bothered to calibrate the geometry (linearity, bowing) and deflection (focus, convergence) of curved CRT TVs?

Or is that only something you do with flat CRT TVs because the curved ones' imperfections in those areas not really noticeable?

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Is there anywhere else I can get this cable? It shows that the last one to sell was on Dec.8th.

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>trip went better than expected
Will tell you all details in about 12h as I still have about 6h drive back and then I will need some sleep. It almost went legit glorious.

>> No.3734160

Let me guess.

You almost snagged an RGB card for that 1950?

>> No.3734276

>me in charge of actually looking closely at images before posting

Never mind. I'll get my coat...

>> No.3734491

I only have one fishbowl, and it is obviously older than my 4 flat-screen CRTs. But the only noticeable problem I have with it's geometry is a slight tilt and no options to fix that in the service menu. So eventually I'll open it up and adjust the yoke for that.

By comparison, all 4 of my flat-screen sets needed lots of tweaks either in the service menu or yoke adjustments or both despite being no where near as old.

I think it's probably a combination of both that fishbowls retain geometry better over time and that the imperfections on their convex screen is less noticeable.

As an aside, after getting used to playing on a flat-screen, initially playing anything on a curved one feels like I put on a pair of glasses with the wrong prescription. Not exactly nauseating, but a bit unsettling.

>> No.3734519
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>>3728604 here

I'm closing in on a deal to pick up both the GVM and the Ikegami. Fingers crossed I can pull this off as they will be awesome additions to my collection. My GF is not so keen...

Anyhow, I was just wondering if anyone here has any experience with GVMs of any flavour? By the looks of it it should be able to accept all retro resolutions including 24kHz (384p) but I will need to figure out the exact signal to feed it.

Pic related is an extract from the user manual detailing CGA/EGA/VGA timings but can anyone fill in the blanks for 384p?

>> No.3734553
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I wish I had a 1Chip.

>> No.3734571

What's special about the 1chip?
Does the mini work too?

>> No.3734623

idk how anyone from this thread has a gf

>> No.3734658

Mini needs to be modded to get RGB, but once it's modded it looks better than a 1CHIP. The 1CHIP is way sharper overall, all earlier multi-chip revisions have a lot of filtering going on over RGB. That one website has all the comparison shots you could ever want.

>> No.3734659

Any tips for calibrating colors so they're accurate?

>> No.3734660

You basically have to pick your battles. I can't have a giant CRT, but I have a small one on my desk, and a larger one kind of stashed in a corner of the apartment for when we move to a larger space. Some significant others grow to accept nerdy proclivities.

>> No.3734664

random question since idk where else to ask, what is the best gamecube memory card in comparison to price

are these moonrune ones good?

>> No.3734667


can someone explain to me why someone cant simply plug the NES up to a framemeister via composite, screenshot that, then use the colors from that shitty screenshot to make a composite accurate color palette?

>> No.3734673

Because the framemeister is guessing just like every other TV is, and every single one guesses it differently. There is literally no palette, so you simply cannot define one.

>> No.3734761

but everyone with a framemeister over composite has the same colors with it right?

>> No.3734780

Theoretically Framemeisters would interpret said colors in the same way, but they're not any more 'correct' than any random TV on the street. You could certainly make a color palette from the FM composite interpretation if you so chose, but it wouldn't be any more 'definitive' than any of the other 'definitive' ones that all have issues. I personally think if you're want a defined set colors from an NES, the Playchoice-10 PPU is the only legit choice, and it looks weird af.

>> No.3735003

>looks better than a 1CHIP.
It'll look exactly the same as the 1CHIP, since it's exactly that, a 1CHIP SNES board.

>> No.3735072
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god why is it so hard to find a nice 14 inch PVM for under 150 and from a seller that has good feedback.

>> No.3735106

Stupid jabroni

>> No.3735107

There just doesn't seem to be any good ones on ebay right now.

>inb4 ebay

I've tried for over a year to get a PVM here. No luck.

>> No.3735119

>from a seller that has good feedback
Just ask your local TV stations dude.

>> No.3735120

Yeah they switched years ago and we only have maybe one.

>> No.3735169

anyone doing 15khz rgbs emulation?

>> No.3735176

We have 2 kids together, she won't be walking out any time soon lol.

In any case she has her own weird obsessions. I let her buy all the prams she wants (even though she ends up selling them on at a loss and going back to the same one we've had since the beginning).

>> No.3735359

Haha congrats; I'm in the same boat, but my hobbies take up a lot more space than hers. Hopefully won't be an issue once we get married and move out of this tiny apartment.

>> No.3735505

was literally already done by firebrandx

>> No.3735508


I already had 7374 at hand, but missing the replacement resistors, waiting for them to arrive. Will tell how it goes.

>> No.3735527

>>3734147 here, let me tell you the story of a loooooonng day
>be in south of france
>need to go in person in paris for id and passport at consulate
>check ads around paris
>17" DT-V at 150€, w/o rgb card unf
>manage to lower it at 125, given the travel price, every bit counts.
>19" DT-V at 700, leave a mail asking if ready to negociate
>set to leave at 00h30 to give me a margin just in case
>check ads one last time around 23h00 for peace of mind
>"free TM-H1900 ! just come and pick it up !"
>leave mail telling I'll be there tomorrow
>arrive 6h30 latter, appointment at 10h20, plenty of time
>get mail for the 1900, still good, phone them I'll pick it up after
>phone 17" guy, will be at home around 17h30
>after consulate go pick up the 19"
>girl tells me they were about to junk it... but she suggested to put an ad for pick up (needless to say, I thank her ! )
>find a place to wait, get mail from 19" DT-V
>tell him I'll go 150 tops
>he has to ask his buddy, get a call back, he refuse, oh well
>go pick up the 17"
>finally can head home
>had to stop twice for nap, as I was tired af

and you have it, litteraly SURPRISE FREE TM-H1900 day, would have been glorious tier if I snagged that 19" DT-V

>> No.3735543

Bumping. Every time I sit down to get comfy for some gaming on my CRT I get autistic about whether or not the colors are accurate and it's preventing me from enjoying the game. I've tried tweaking it as much as I can to match what shows up on my monitor using the calibration screen of Onimusha but for some reason it still looks a little off.

>> No.3735549
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TM-H 1900 front panel is a bit in shambles, in the end I just removed the broken buttons, you can still push them with a pen cap

>> No.3735557
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TM-H 1900 only does S-video max and has no expansion slot.

Well tbqhwu my famalams, it's not a big loss. If my 2 SD JVCs are an indication, they do wonders at S-video, even MD/Gen jailbars are almost invisible unlike with the megaview.

And 19" is quite the nice size.

>> No.3735564
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At first I couldn't get the DT-V to work with RGBS, turns out you have to enable external sync in a hidden menu.
That thing is sharp af.

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>> No.3735569

Do you really call offering 150 tops for something not quite obsolete and listed at 700 "negotiating"

I'm surprised the guy even called his buddy. If it were me I'd put the phone down my underpants and rip a huge fart.

>> No.3735573

we're not on reddit, you can type "as fuck" and not censor yourself
it will be an adjustment but I think you'll enjoy it, reddit

>> No.3735580

The ad was up for months.I told him, I'm in town for the day, expenses were adding up, I'm already snagging the 17 model at 125, I had to try anyway even knowing the value it still has. He laughed and agreed, we fully understood each others positions, and there was no problem in not agreeing.

Besides, I fired him another mail after, telling him I might travel again between may and august so offer still stands, and could up the offer if there's an RGB card with it (told me he might have one).

it's faster af my famalam

>> No.3735587

you've got nothing but time, it's maybe 5 extra characters at most. you're not in a hurry, either, you've posted multiple times in /vr/, one of the slowest boards on 4chan. you've got nothing else going on.
just type "as fuck", mom won't know, I promise

>> No.3735596

it's rad af to type af my famalam

>> No.3735645
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I'm getting this 'bar of static' that spans across my screen horizontally, and scrolls slowly towards the top of the screen over and over. I believe this to be electrical interference.. anyone know how to shield a PVM from interference? I had it isolated on a nice ( not cheap ) power strip and it still gave me the static. Could it be something else?

>> No.3735660
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Here's the clearest pic I could get - look at the purple background and you'll see the 'static' I mean

>> No.3735683

I've had something similar happen with my OEV203 when having systems on my component switcher running at the same time as certain ones on my SCART switcher. Pretty sure the reason this happens in my case is a ground loop somewhere, since I run the audio from my SCART switch into said Component Switch to simplify things. Perhaps give a look to how you have things wired up and you might be able to get an idea of where the issue is.

Alternatively, if that's Game Boy Interface, and in particular the Ultra Low Latency version, it could be a sync related issue. I know I've experience such a problem before, and just use LL instead to avoid it.

>> No.3735692

I have the XC-3717C. I tried moving it by myself once and almost died by extreme CRT crushing

>> No.3735702

This is going to be very unlikely, but I'm looking for a very specific and extremely hard to find option board for my Ikegami HTM-2050R. It's a DCH-501 option board for component inputs which allows the monitor to display 480p content.

Does anyone happen to have one? I've reached out to Ikegami and they searched locally and contacted Japan HQ, and had none of the option boards in stock.

>> No.3735721

Anon who wanted to hook up his digital converter box to crt via component.

Well my antenna finally came in and I hooked it up through a splitter to my new converter box. I hooked up the component cables into my switch, and my converter box to a power conditioner.

>power on
>scrambled image

I went through basic troubleshooting procedures(turning on/off checking all connections) then I started wondering if it was the switch or power conditioner. Finally today I decided to hook up composite straight from the converter box to CRT and it's working fine.

My suspicion is that component on this converter box wants to run at something higher than 480p, like maybe 720p and thats why I get the scrambled image when hooked up via component.

Any ideas? I really want to make use of component since I have an 8 input switch that supports component.

>> No.3735734

it's a sync problem. If your converter box has a switch for external sync, turn it off.

>> No.3735975
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there's no switch for external sync. What makes you say it's a sync issue

>> No.3735981

"Under 'Picture', there are five resolution choices; 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i & 1080p. They are available for component & HDMI which should make this suitable for almost any HDTV"

>> No.3735983

Pretty sure it's a resolution thing. TV over the air is pretty high resolution these days.

>> No.3735989

1080i even.

>> No.3736002

Is that linedoubled?

>> No.3736003

with component cables plugged in I can't see anything let alone navigate a menu, and there is no picture button on my remote. Like I said it functions perfectly fine when I plug in the composite cables.

I agree it must be a resolution issue similar to when you switch to 480p on a wii with a non multiformat crt.

>> No.3736009

I'm not that anon but the background shows individual pixels per scanline. I think the player sprites are half-res.

>> No.3736010

Plug in composite (which will be locked to 480i NTSC) and then configure the YPbPr output to whatever your set can handle.

Then you can switch to component going forward.

>> No.3736013

Yup i figured i'd try this after i posted. Letting the little box scan for channels as we speak. Will post results.

>> No.3736031
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Thank you thank you

I was a little scared by how terrible it looked in composite but the cloudyness went away once i switched to component. I've set it to 4:3 letterbox. Looks pretty decent but I really need to fix my tv's geometry!

>> No.3736053
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Anyone with suggestions on what I should be adjusting?

>> No.3736054
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Fucking saved

>> No.3736063
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Nothing. You won't see much, if any, improvement.

All the distortions there are inherent in the (FD) tube. You can't dial that shit out with the service menu or even yoke adjustments.

>> No.3736090
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No! surely there must be a way to fix this

>> No.3736106

Top middle is basic pincushion. You can tweak that though it's extremely slight.

Bottom right? No chance, nil, nada, jack shit. It's a wonky tube and there's no fixing it.

>> No.3736115

well thanks for that at least. I tweaked it around but it still bows like shit at the top. But at least I can enjoy some over the air tv via component cables. My setup is that much closer to completion.

>> No.3736175

>accepts rgb & component
>doesn't support 240p

>> No.3736204

>majority of people who buy old games play them on a non retro TV
Anybody else get pissed by this?

>> No.3736228

you'll get used to it, don't worry too much or you'll go mad and kill yourself trying to fix it

>> No.3736231

The absolute best way on windows is clearly with crt_emudriver. Calamity is in the process of updating the drivers for modern AMD cards, but right now anything from the HD5000 and HD6000 series is best.

After that, an Nvidia Quadro card + CRU isn't too bad.

On linux everything works, but you have to know linux.

Each of these ways means you need a cable for VGA - 5BNC.

Curious to know how these devices handle 480p modes. Does it eliminate every second line, so if you're stretching you'd get a perfect picture back. And what does it do for the horizontal signal resolution?

>> No.3736245

it may not sync at 24kHz. Arcade tri-syncs were just that, they didn't really fill in the gaps. I hope I'm wrong though.

For timings, try to find some from crt_emudriver maybe. Tons of good info in there if you can extract it.

>> No.3736246

>I let her buy all the prams she wants (even though she ends up selling them on at a loss and going back to the same one we've had since the beginning).
Haha, my partner is the same :)

>> No.3736324

Well given the fact that the manual states 15-36kHz and the EGA H-sync shown as compatible is pretty close I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Will check out crt_emudriver prior to collection.

As an aside, if it were able to do this wouldn't that make it more flexible than the other, better known, multiformat PVMs and BVMs? I don't think they can handle medium res at all.

Glad I'm not the only one, anon. It's infuriating but I love her nonetheless. The price of freedom to clutter up half the house with retro gaming stuff I suppose and a worthy trade-off at that.

>> No.3736360

>wouldn't that make it more flexible than the other, better known, multiformat PVMs and BVMs?
Depends on what you want to do with it? Multiformat sets can normally handle up to 720p. And what precisely are you going to play in 384p? That's a rather small screen for a driving setup :)

>> No.3736410

There were a ton of great arcade games which used medium res. Not just racers.

In truth it's more for shits and giggles and "pushing the envelope". I really want to tinker and see what this thing can do. Native 384p would be pretty cool on something other than a tri-sync cabinet.

>> No.3736738

>perfect size tv
>it has component s-video, rf and composite
>it's flat screen

Anyone else really hate flat screen CRTs?

>> No.3736749

it's kof2k2um on ps2, it has a 480p mode.
backgrounds are 3d and 480p, while sprites are lowres and doubled.

>> No.3736784

flats can be great, as long as they're not 100hz or hd

>> No.3736789

i got lucky and the geometry on my flat is perfect

>> No.3736807

They're alright but not preferred
My most used CRT is a 27" trinitron wega
Oh theres a lot of visual problems they can have and typically suffer from
it cant be perfect

>> No.3736808
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picked up this Sony for free. its off a bit it seems

>> No.3736828

Anyone have that guide to monitors? It's on Reddit but I can't seem to find it.

>> No.3736860

Keep checking reddit. Stay there in fact.

>> No.3736867

Yeah I though I'd get that type of attitude. It was linked last thread.

>> No.3736882

Let people play their games on what they want to.

Leaves more CRTs and the like for those who actually want them.


>> No.3736883


>> No.3736897

Can PVM's and BVM's take the same expansion cards?

>> No.3736912


Tilt correction in the menu.

>> No.3736962

This can be adjusted by opening the back and adjusting the yoke. You will never get it perfect, so get that out of your head right away. I have two FV310s, and I love them, but they are consumer sets, not professional monitors. Accept the limitations here. Yours already looks decent except for that horizontal bow that all FV310s seem to develop over time due to the sagging yoke.

Anyway, set all or most of your service menu options to the center position before adjusting the sagging yoke. Just follow the service manual. It isn't hard, but will take you some time, and can be nerve racking. Make sure you have a large mirror, a compass, a Phillips #2 screw-driver and a strong light source. Good luck.

>> No.3736970

>, but they are consumer sets, not professional monitors.
The geometry sucks because they're flat. If you want good geometry get a real (consumer) Trini.

>> No.3736982

I concede that flats do not hold geometry as well over time as curved sets. However, they do provide some counterbalance to that. For one thing, it is a lot easier to find flats with component input, and secondly flats usually have a far more advanced service menu which helps in dealing with the geometry issues if they are minor.

Also, sagging yokes are the same on both, and will develop over time. It is just more noticeable on flat than on curved because the convex shape can mask the horizontal bow and other tell-tale signs much better. But they are still there.

Anyway, as I posted earlier, once you get accustomed to a flat screen, looking at a convex one for any period of time make me feel like I just put a pair of glasses on with the wrong prescription.

But yeah, I'm pretty happy with my current set-up. So I'm personally done searching for 'the best' because I'm good for now. Also, after hunting and collecting CRTs for a while now and filling a room with them, I realize they all have trade-offs and there is no best. Even if you find yourself a 32" BVM, you have made a concession in some regard. Even if it's a minor one like having black bars on the sides when playing 4:3 content.

tl;dr - it's okay to settle. No, really. Shit isn't that serious.

>> No.3736990

>A flat BVM-XX10p was never made

>> No.3736991

What did he mean by this?

>> No.3737003
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BVM-XX10p line was the last all analog models, including convergence

>> No.3737009

There were flat professional CRT monitors released by all the usual players - Sony, JVC/Panasonic and Ikegami - at the end of the technology's lifespan.

They were generally not as well received as the previous generations and some had notable reliability issues.

>> No.3737014

You literally cannot drive a flat-faced tube effectively with analogue circuitry. So that's why they only started appearing when they did (mid-late 90s).

>> No.3737017

one can dream

>> No.3737337
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Feels fucking good to be CRT master race

>> No.3737364

What's the point if the dithering in the life bar isn't perfectly blended?

>> No.3737402

The dithering pattern doesn't need to be blended to work at full effect.

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Someone is giving away this thing, is it good? I don't know what the model is called but it's a trinitron 13". I currently don't have room for a large CRT unfortunately.

>> No.3737575

Look exactly like mine, and it's pretty good imo.

>> No.3737583


Cool. Any tips what I should look for in terms of potential defects before taking it home? Also, is the remote necessary? It wasn't specified if he still had it

>> No.3737602

If you want to fiddle stuff in the service menu you'll need the remote (if that's really a KV-14M1B then the remote should be a Sony RM-836). Other than that, mine can't really display straight vertical white lines near the left edge of the screen, the lines are kinda bent when nearing the lower corner, but yours might not have this issue.

>> No.3737609


Alright, I'll ask about the remote then.

>> No.3737639
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RGB bypass + Luma as sync + DT-V1710 = NICE DESU NE af tbqhwu my famalams

>> No.3737662

>You literally cannot drive a flat-faced tube effectively with analogue circuitry. So that's why they only started appearing when they did (mid-late 90s).

Then how did vertically flat Trinitrons exist?

Do flat VGA PC CRT monitors have problems with geometry and deflection compared to curved VGA PC CRT monitors?

How do you fix a sagging yoke?

>> No.3737675

Anyone want some 8" PVMs? I've got a few 8042s.

>> No.3737683

All I wanted was the 5 inch monitor ;_;

>> No.3737684


Why anon, you feel threatened by 8 sturdy inches?

>> No.3737705

>How do you fix a sagging yoke?

The yoke is held in place against 4 to 6 rubber wedges by a ring clamp on the neck of the tube. Over time and probably after being moved and what have you, the yoke doesn't sit as tight as it did in it's original orientation. Rubber tends to warp with heat and cold, as well, even if only a little within a climate controlled containment.

Anyway, all you are doing is loosening the ring clamp and retracting the yoke so that you can re-seat it forward against those rubber wedges in a way that attempts to rectify any picture degradation.

I do this while displaying a 1.33 grid pattern with a "Safe" border demarking over-scan. If the rubber wedges won't allow you to make the proper adjustment because they are glued to the tube, then I remove them. This is more difficult though, as it requires you to hold the yoke in place with one hand while you set the wedges with your free hand. Re-tighten the ring clamp when you're satisfied, and finally give each wedge a final push to make certain they are tight and won't shift. If you have to re-glue or tape them to get them to stay in place, it is likely you will be doing this again down the line sooner than later. Do it right the first time so that glue or tape is optional and not necessary.

Anyway, I'm just a mook not a technician, and this is just how I do it. I may be talking out of my ass, but it has worked for me on a few CRTs now.

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>> No.3737870

Dude's palettes are notoriously inaccurate; they look OK, but they're not the second coming of christ definitive palette he implies they are.

>> No.3737982

thanks anon. i actually have the remote so thats good luck.

>> No.3738118

I got an Apex TV for my Wii, to play many emulators.
It's okay, but the edges are cutoff. Most all games have something that goes off screen. And I set the thing to 4:3 mode too.

>> No.3738123

Cant these memerunning tournyfags just use lcds.

>> No.3738128

on the snes emu i have to set it to be NTSC (480i). Look thru the emulator settings for something like that/

>> No.3738141

The Wii menu and games do it too. Everything.

>> No.3738147

thats ripe man

>> No.3738150

It's called overscan.

>> No.3738663

What's inaccurate about them?

>> No.3738926


Anyone have any experience using this HDMI to VGA adapter? I want to hook some modern things up to a PC CRT.

>> No.3739005
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>average PVM user

>> No.3739016

most modern GPUs still have vga output through dvi, at least mine does.

>> No.3739296
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never thought I'd become a JVC man

>> No.3739309


Is that a BVM-1411?

>> No.3739312


>> No.3739314

I ended up with a JVC too, found it with the RGB/YPbPr card for $80. These things are legit awesome.

>> No.3739318
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they really work wonder with S-Video too

>> No.3739332

>Those thick ass scan lines

Okay, you just confirmed that filters DO look right.

>> No.3739339

there is more than scanlines thickness.
you lose half brightness when res doubling and applying scanlines.

>> No.3739638

There's support up until the current/most recent series of cards on both sides.

That is, there are AMD 300 cards and Nvidia 900 cards with DVI-I, but none on the 400 and 1000 series.

Not sure for Nvidia, but the r9 380x would be the most recent, most powerful card for AMD.

>> No.3739658

Has there ever been an effort on kickstarter or elsewhere to make a new crt?

Can't be much longer if there hasn't been one already. The boat for 20" pvms on ebay for non-rape prices has sailed. You'd think for sure there'd be someone seeking to take over the void.

>> No.3739660

You can hardly see the scanlines from far away

>> No.3739667

>woooow haha they're ugly lmao! hahahahaha! ;)
Are you some kind of sissy?

>> No.3739721

>mfw some retard keeps telling me that his card can output to a 15KHz CRT over HDMI
>mfw no face

>> No.3739767

This gets posted once every other thread. I always forget the answer though

>> No.3739823

You see how much an old used PVM costs? Now imagine how much they would cost new.

>> No.3739960

What are your thoughts on this, anon?


>> No.3739978

It pre-dates heath and safety regulations

>> No.3740004
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Is the CRT that features the NES an actual TV?
Is it based on an actual TV?

I imagine it's generic one made up for the picture, but it's pretty nice looking.

>> No.3740074


I always assumed they were so expensive because of all the controls that were implemented in them for broadcast work.

A specialized monitor specifically made for retro use should be able to beat a pvm or any of the top tier stuff and it'd be a real easy sell to anyone looking for one. People coming in late won't have to do research just to be disappointed and even those with a good one already would more than welcome something newer especially as more and more change hands and get abused.

>> No.3740107

There is zero chance of this happening. Professional Monitors were not made to cater to a niche clientele anywhere near as small or personal as the retro scene. They were produced for expansive industries with immense budgets, by comparison to the average individual hobbyist.

And now that the technology has moved on, allowing both cheaper and easier to produce higher resolution monitors without the short-comings inherent to CRT-technology, I find it impossible to believe that any company that could do so would actually consider making the investment necessary for such a small, relatively low-return market.

Not trying to be a dick. Just realistic.

>> No.3740117


Yeah I doubt there's any place where you can actually still fabricate tube monitors. In another decade or two it's going to be a real shit show.

>> No.3740278

what monitor is this? Picture is perfect.

>> No.3740310
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It's a fanmade homage to Nintendo's CES '84 pamphlet promoting the AVS (their prototype to the NES).

>> No.3740432

Muh negro

>> No.3740438

I like those guys. They seem like genuine nerds instread of wannabe, YouTube like/share/subscribe whores.

>> No.3740647

Try to correct it on the service menu, I could do it with my rare Toshiba CRT.

>> No.3740714

Not him, but I can't for the life of me find the service menu on my Apex TV. If I could just use that to fix the overscan for my Wii, the damn thing would be perfect.

>> No.3740775

Those faggots are the average spergs who fell for the SCART meme

>> No.3740857

I had a hard time finding mine, if you can't find it even with the model number of the TV, back luck.

>> No.3741147

Yeah, their content has such high quality, it's insane. They're both dedicated quality whores and have great connections with experts to get all the info they need. I'm legitimately surprised they don't have 100k subs already.

>> No.3741240

Not gonna lie, I've watched all their vids despite not being into professional monitors and also being vehemently opposed to SCART connections. They're just a couple of nerdy bros sharing what they think is awesome, and that is awesome in and of itself.

>> No.3741340

Go to flea markets or anywhere you know of that sells used vidya and ask them if you can open up the systems and take a peek before you buy. I did that last year and the guy didn't have a problem with it. These guys aren't like ebay, they don't know what a 1chip is or that it's getting sold for retarded prices on ebay (and don't tell them, obviously).

>> No.3741348

>I'm legitimately surprised they don't have 100k subs already.
They need to do more unboxing and reaction videos.

>> No.3741542

Slowly scrolling generally means powerline interference. It looks a bit odd - are you using powerline Ethernet or something like that? Otherwise, try disconnecting everything but the CRT and the game system and see if it goes away. Ideally try 1 other system as well if you have it.

>> No.3741621
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Hi guys,
does anyone know something about pic related?
I have a chance to get it for around 20 euros but all i know is that this is a security monitor and is similar to another model called COR 1516HA.
If anyone has this model i would like to know if it compares to professional monitors in terms of quality of image.

>> No.3741657

How loud is the buzz of a plasma TV compared to the 15KHz whine of CRT TVs?

What frequency is the buzz of plasma TVs?

>> No.3741702
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Hey fellas, same anon that posted about interference troubles earlier in the thread. I figured it out! It was interference, not caused by a ground loop but by my shitty component cables! I ended up taking my stuff to a friend's place and tried it out on his hardware - should have done that sooner. Thanks for your help though /crt/ squad this is easily the coolest niche interest on 4chan

I've attached a better image this time - if you're experiencing something similar, it could very well be a poorly shielded cable like mine.

>> No.3741710

It looks a lot like the Commodore 1080. Maybe a rebrand. I'd get it out of curiosity alone.

>> No.3741734

might be an atari st monitor rebrand.

>> No.3741737


I've had an idea like this - we should kickstart an imitation CRT instead. check out this pic - an image being transferred via fiber optic bundle. this is mostly in the realm of medical devices but why not make a little consumer device for games? Give it a nice resolution and fat dot pitch for retro games and it would sell itself

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forgot pic ;-;

>> No.3741842

>security monitor
Chances are the screen is burned to hell.

>> No.3741967

Interesting. Thank you for the heads up.

>> No.3742025

alternative design:
OLED screen wrapped around the back of a curved CRT TV's glass. Scanlines and shit would need to be added in >software and upscaling would introduce lag, but it would be a curved screen with the same color depth and deep blacks as a CRT (since OLEDs are emissive, unlike LCDs). Just with more input lag. Bonus points for being easier to manufacture than your idea, though probably less faithful to the original "CRT look".

>> No.3742035

if you're THAT bothered by 15 kHz, build a little glass cage for your crt out of two-pane glass, to keep the sound in. Or just play vidya with noise-cancelling headphones on. If you can hear the whine that loudly, though, there's probably something wrong with your particular TV.

>> No.3742065

>if you're THAT bothered by 15 kHz, build a little glass cage for your crt out of two-pane glass, to keep the sound in. Or just play vidya with noise-cancelling headphones on.

Noise cancelling headphones also have a high pitched whine. Audiophiles avoid them unless they travel by air often and want to listen with something other than the airline headphones (absolute trash).

>> No.3742115

this needs to be in the catalog

>> No.3742432

You don't need noise cancelling headphones, 15kHz gets blocked by most anything. I use totally open headphones and it blocks out the whine.

>> No.3742437
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Is there any reason to keep this old 17 inch Magnavox that has only a single rf port in the back?
Can I still get good quality out of it?

>> No.3742443

If you have a Wii you can still force 240p out of it and use the VI filter (pretty much a cheap and easy way to get component quality video out of RF/composite, just that it still suffers from color bleeding and rainbow artifacting)

Just try and get a high quality composite to RF converter, they do in fact exist and they actually cancel out a lot of the 'noise' associated with RF connections, I was able to get a super clean picture out of a converter and it really blew my mind

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Will any sega saturn rgb cable from do or is there a difference in quality?

>> No.3742463

So a good converter can keep composite quality? Does that hold true for a SNES/Genesis?

>> No.3742480

I actually have no idea if a SNES/Genesis will produce a good picture still as I've only tested this with a Wii, but I don't see why it shouldn't! You'd still be privy to the composite signal that comes out of these systems though which aren't the best signals

>> No.3742490

Depends, I myself use scart cables with RCA breakout for audio, that way you get the best audio (without modding) and don't have to care about shielding. Otherwise you should ask if the seller has shielded his cables. Also keep in mind that it should say RGB in the title (otherwise the cable is worthless)

>> No.3742515

Speaking from my own experience, if you use a decent composite to RF converter box, you should get a signal comparable to composite from any source (mono audio though). Since all the analog TV signals have been turned off in the US, there's less interference now. I used a much older RF only set (twin-lead, not even coax) through college (07-11) with totally acceptable, to me, results.

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>> No.3742640

Yeah, I was gonna get those but the only store I can find with them is Retrogamingcables, and they seem to be sold out of everything.

>> No.3742884

I get this only on totally black screens from my SNES on S-video. Its a legit wired cable so I don't understand what is going on.

>> No.3742903

Yes, kill him.
Kill him, anon.
End his pathetic life.

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Id still take the 4030 for multisync but that is a beaut.

>> No.3743192

Laughed harder than I should have.

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>> No.3743342

I always spot the crt in old porn vids

>falls threw floor

>> No.3743419

>>falls threw floor
Are the floors in your country so weak they can't support more than one American dude at the same time?

>> No.3743428

I mean, Sony is certainly worried about it.

>> No.3743438
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/crt/ you are my only hope

bear with me this is not crt related but is old(ish) display related.

I just picked up an old samsung syncmaster 2560x1600 display for pocket change because it has a big gouge in the film.

what will happen if I remove it? should I just peel it off and clean it or try and replace the film? can you replace the film?

>> No.3743464

I've yet to have encountered a building with floors so weak they can't support 4 people or more. Unless it's an old decrepid decrepit barn, 200kg is no problem for the floor, woodstoves weight approximatively the same. I'd be more worried about what kind of furniture is used to support it though.

>> No.3743631

you also have to add the furniture, both under (will be heavy to withstand the 4300) and around, and a certain number of people going around.
The total can be anything from 300 to 600 kg...

>> No.3743649

Do you have a bathtub?

Similar sort of weight when full.

>> No.3743671

>what will happen if I remove it?
Nothing, really. I've heard of people removing the protective film on the front of their tube plenty of times. It won't be there to prevent glare anymore, but as long as you don't play the thing right by an open window in direct sunlight, it shouldn't really matter.

Some of those films come off like a bitch, though. Do it on the floor so there's no chance of you yanking the monitor off a desk accidentally.

>> No.3743673

>500 l bathtub
wew laddylad

>> No.3743678

Pretty sure anon's talking about an LCD though. 305T most likely.

I honestly don't think it's possible. Sorry.

>> No.3743687

You can have more than 600kg on the floor by having 10 people in the same room. If you add all the furniture you usually have in a room, the total weight is even greater. Like I said, there are also woodstoves that weight as much as that monitor (sometimes even more), and aren't in rooms devoid of furniture.
Having a 200kg monitor is merely like having 3 people weighting 66kg (a pretty normal weight for someone who's around 1m80 tall, or even light weight for taller people) sitting on a table.

>> No.3743708

those 10 persons won't be concentrated over a ~1m radius

>> No.3743714

So won't the monitor + furniture + few people.

>> No.3743743

Thank you, i guess i'll continue to search for the well known professional monitors

>> No.3743750

my display is off center by a lot. the left side is cut off and slightly tilted, easy to notice on right side as it started to curve to the left the higher it is.
Going to look for my phone charger right now so i can take pics.

>> No.3743759

tried loading up 240p test suite GX while i went and found my charger but it didn't surpass 26% which it was at the whole time.

>> No.3743780

atari monitors are pretty good, on par with commodore ones. And has scart too.

>> No.3743786 [DELETED] 

i would try to take a picture but android is epic and doesn't let you take pictures on low battery and this phone is garbage and is discharging when it's plugged int

>> No.3743807
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So the tilt option doesn't help to much which this. It's been annoying in ff2 where the left side of the menu is off the screen

>> No.3743809

and the picture uploaded upside down.

>> No.3743845

just a setting in the menu man horizontal size horizontal position

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>> No.3743863

Stupid me forgot about the wii system settings. Changed it to 4:3 which looks much better and moved it to +2. Looks better, but I had to change the screen position in game to 7,2 to get it to fit in the center.

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But now the screen in battle is well off to the right

>> No.3743884
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Apex TV guy here. I found it. You just have to be really specific with the button timing so I thought I had the wrong combination at first.

I got in and fixed the picture so it actually fucking fits. It's glorious.

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>found solid-looking CRT at local thrift for reasonably cheap
>got friend to help lug it on over and up to my third floor apartment
>all right, time to enjoy retro gaming as it was meant to be enjoyed
>wait where's the input button the channel changer won't get to them
>wait where's the remote
>find one on ebay
>patiently wait for a week as my TV just sits there
>it finally comes, I set up everything with S-Video
Holy shit this is amazing. The looks, the sounds, everything. Rest in RIP my productivity
>le shitty memephone pic

>> No.3744025

get a better s-video cable, there's checkerboard everywhere.

>> No.3744037

Oh for that youll have to go into the TV service menu and adjust the vertical size

>> No.3744041

The shitty phone camera pic doesn't nearly do the real thing justice. I don't see any checkerboarding in person

>> No.3744138

You will never get it perfect, bro. I know those feels. Just get it good enough so that it doesn't spoil your concentration.

Using a consumer CRT like that one is about making concessions. Take heart in that even with minor geometry problems, it still looks night and day better than anything on a modern flat screen routed through any amount of external interfacing devices designed to emulate 240p with scan lines for a fraction of the price.

>> No.3744324

Does anyone know of an HDMI to YPbPR converter which passes double-strike signals correctly?

They generally have compatibility with 480 and 576 line interlaced content but I'm concerned the small signal differences present in 240/288p might throw a spanner in the works.

>> No.3744418

I have a 80 watt tv and a 100 watt voltage transformer. Is it safe to use? Or am I just going to blow the fuse?

>> No.3744437

It's the device that pull the power, not the transformer that push it to the device -- the voltage transformer can supply up to 100 watt, but is totally fine when only 80 watt are needed. If that was an 80 watt transformer and a 100 watt tv then that would have been troublesome.

>> No.3744456

While this is true, you should be aware that CRTs have a fairly hefty inrush current requirement. This is the power needed when the device is first switched on and can exceed the normal operating usage by a significant margin.

If it were me I would overspec the transformer by a larger amount than the 25% in your example to avoid damage to either device.

>> No.3744731

That's literally the best I can get it ;_;. I swear my old one my parents tossed would have been perfect, I remember it back in the days of SSBM and RE4

>> No.3744760
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If y'all want any 8 inch monitors (mostly 8042s), send me an email.

>> No.3744764

damn that old wood sony is sexy as fuuuuuuuccccc

fuck pvms wood grain all the way

>> No.3744768

that's not real wood but yeah, the kx-27 is pretty damn sexy.

>> No.3744772

Proview 25 inch. The little orange sticker on the top right that's falling off actually says "imitation wood veneer" or something very similar. It's probably been stuck on the side just barely hanging on for a decade or more. Got it from two desperate dudes in Ft. Lauderdale for $75.

>> No.3744821

What state are you in?

>> No.3744895

5 inch monitor plz

>> No.3744917

is there a name for the type of pins SCART uses? (the little ones that clamp the wire and latch through the slots) is it possible to buy them on their own?

>> No.3744925

all i think about is scat porn when you say scart

>> No.3745001


>> No.3745032


Sold both already.

>> No.3745079

Ikegami in action pics when

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sorry to bail, boondocks, ak and my connection went down.

Yes a 30" 305t plus, got it for $30, it was hooked up and working at 1440p

I removed the arm ad took the case off and removed the metal bezel. there is a thin plastic? layer over the glass. I was just worried it was polarized and the screen will be crazy cga colors or something if I removed it.

How hot can you get a tn panel? I was going to use a blow drier to help make it more pliable as it is 11 years old and pretty stiff, I dont want to break the glass in the process of trying to remove a scratch.

here's one of my crts to be thread related.

>> No.3745294

I'm sick as fuck right now but I'll still get those for you. Gotta go down to the facility and pay the rent sometime this week or next.

[email protected]

>> No.3745302

What do want them for?

>> No.3745318

I sent you an e-mail about maybe getting a 14 inch pvm from you.

>> No.3745323

Different scart plugs made by different manufacturers used differently-built pins. All the same from the front,can be a bit different behind. Your best best is to buy a few plugs and canibalise them.

Weird request though.

>> No.3745354
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I've got a crapload (~50) NOS plugs, so around 1000 individual pins.

I'm in the UK though and, like >>3745323
says, they might not fit in your particular connector.

>> No.3745578

I have a couple heads without pins. If the pins were standard and cheap, I'd pick some up and make a cable.

>> No.3745594

ok. get well laddylad

>> No.3745814

So since the Nintendo switch will run at 900p will any of you anons with multi formats try running it on your crt?

>> No.3745827

that's internal res. Output will be bog standard 720p/1080i/1080p

>> No.3745940

For what purpose?

>> No.3745972

Has anyone tried doing HDMI to HD SDI > HD SDI card > Multiformat PVM/BVM to play HDMI consoles at 1080i?

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The conversion equipment is rather pricey

>> No.3746007

Hi guys, currently having an issue with a Samsung Syncmaster 997df that's driving me insane.

So basically this thing can do a resolution of 1920x1440. This is desirable because my main display (an FW900) is at 2304x1440. However, no matter what I do, the Syncmaster refuses to actually run at 1440p. Now, all the display driver software and whatnot are REPORTING that it's running at 1920x1440, but it's very clearly not - text and windows are obviously bigger if I move them from the main monitor over to the syncmaster, and if I try running Retroarch at that resolution, most of it is offscreen. I've tried many different things at this point - a bunch of different DVI adapters (all with dual band analog support) and plugging it directly into the VGA port on my motherboard. Nothing is working, both my nvidia drivers, my OS resolution control, and the integrated graphics drivers report it as 1920x1440, but it obviously isn't running at that. What do I do?

>> No.3746026

I may be reaching here but are you sure it's not got a crazy amount of overscan going on?

Check your geometry settings.

>> No.3746031

That was the first thing I checked. I should add that it can do 1600x1200 just fine by the looks of it but if you try going higher, it seems to default back to 1280x1024 (the recommended resolution in the windows resolution control panel) while reporting to run at 1920x1440.

>> No.3746037

you could just convert it to component video.

that's what i do with my pc and my d20f1u. output 720p from my 770's hdmi port>component transcoder>bvm

i'm planning on playing am2r that way.

720p/1080i is 16:9 though, anyone know a way to get 4:3 720p on a multiformat set?

>> No.3746039

How exactly are you hooking it up from the graphics card?

>> No.3746043

just decrease the image size and have black borders on the bottom?

>> No.3746045


Could be an EDID reporting screwup of some sort relating to that particular resolution.

Maybe use this software:
to get the EDID info from your monitor and see if there are any anomalies?

>> No.3746048

Both displays pulling off the same graphics card at max resolution would be a higher resolution than your graphics card can handle.

>> No.3746049

I have an SLI set-up. Each card has two DVI ports, only one of which on each card supports analog output. This was not a problem since Nvidia's drivers allow you to activate all displays, so I had DVI-A to VGA converters on each card going to each display. They're both the exact same converter, and like I said, the FW900 isn't having problems, but the Syncmaster is. I tried swapping them around and it didn't work, so eventually I gave up and just tried using integrated graphics for the Syncmaster by plugging it into the VGA port on my motherboard. Now, according to the manual, that port supports up to 1600p resolutions so that shouldn't be an issue. However, like I said, I'm still getting the same problem where the drivers are reporting that it's running at a resolution that it clearly isn't.

>> No.3746052

Both displays have been on different devices since I've been trying this, either on two separate GPUs or now with one plugged into a GPU with the other plugged into integrated graphics.

>> No.3746096

Okay I was able to get an EDID dump from the Syncmaster.


Anyway, I take it that the modeline (1280x1024) is the resolution that it's really running at, just like I suspected?

>> No.3746180

I can do this easily with pretty cheap boxes from Blackmagic or AJA or Decimator ("cheap" as in cheap for a professional to purchase, not for normal consumers).

The HDMI signal will get transcoded to the HD-SDI standards of 1080i30 or 720p60. Most BVM monitor cards are standard SDI, not HD-SDI, so be sure you have the right one.

>> No.3746260

does it even have analogue video output?

>> No.3746321

my 305t only does 1440p with a dual link dvi-d cable, it defaults to 1280x800 with other dvi cables i have. cables.


>> No.3746349

i've done that but it's awfully small for the couch play through i'm hoping for

>> No.3746354

HDMI only.

>> No.3746553

Is there any cheap scaler out there that will take 240p component YPbPr and line double it to 480p still using component or even HDMI? I've seen VGA solutions, but not component on both ends.

>> No.3746558

It looks like the matte layer is likely to be distinct from the polarised but would require great care to remove the former whilst avoiding damage to the latter.


How bad is the scratch and can you live with it from a functional point of view?

>> No.3746565

How cheap is cheap?

OSSC can output HDMI signal via its DVI-D connector requiring only a simple cable to get an HDMI plug.

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If I go the HDMI route, I would want audio encoded in the signal, which DVI can't provide. It's for a capture device which can't do RGB, which I thought was fine, but also no 240p over component video. I'm sure there's a workaround for analog audio using line in, though. Is OSSC available for sale? Last I checked, there was a waiting list and one guy working on them TBA on everything. MLIG said that there were issues with lots of capture devices with OSSC to begin with, I'd probably sooner pony up for the framemeister because I know that would work great.

>How cheap is cheap
Well, pic related is winning right now. My capture card accepts 240p over S-video just fine, so even if this is a bad solution, it's a lot cheaper than buying an OSSC or framemeister just for recordings.

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>> No.3746796

My Sony CRT TV has strong hiss from the speakers when you turn up the volume, more than you would expect; I can hear it during quiet scenes.

Is this caused by some wire coming loose in the amp or did Sony just cheap out on the amp?

>> No.3746817

Probably crosstalk/interference from video. Culprit is mainly cheap cables. Split the audio and video as early as possible from the console.

>> No.3746838

Anon, is it possible to open it in the back and adjust it?

>> No.3746876

So for the past few weeks my sony crt has had fast moving lines going from the bottom left hand side of the screen to the top right hand side, I've tried a number of different power supply and video cable combinations and nothing has changed it.

Also since I got it last spring when i first turn it on there are semi-diagonal red blue and green lines that start a little below the top of the screen and move up, they've been starting slightly lower over time.

Anyone have an idea whats going on?

>> No.3746917

it's dying
they're all slowly dying
once they die there will be no crts just input lag and shitty filters

>> No.3746946

Nah, as long as the phosphor coating in the tube is okay, it's good. I know that professional tubes were rated for at least 100,000 hours, but I don't know about consumer sets.

When a tube dies, the picture rapidly gets dark. You will begin to have trouble seeing anything and will have to crank up the contrast and brightness. I have had an old consumer set slowly die on me when I was younger. It was a second-hand 19" and at first I hardly noticed. But soon I was having trouble and fiddling with the user menu to no avail.

What >>3746876 sounds like is maybe just in need of new capacitors or something with the voltage regulator. While it is doubtful he knows how to fix it himself, it can be fixed. I am currently in the process of learning to re-cap and such myself in the hopes of keeping my own CRTs alive for as long as I can. It's not super-hard, and you can find legitimate TV repair manuals because Repair technician used to be a career. It greatly helps to have a basic understanding of electricity to though, and this means also reading some basic electrician 101 manuals as well.

tl;dr - hell of a project. More of a hobby really, but that TV is not dying.

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That was uncalled for, anon.

(Picture not related to crts)

>> No.3747034

Awesome thanks
From the bit of research I did it seemed like a capacitor issue. And yeah I have no idea how to fix it now but since its a fixable problem I'm sure I can figure it out.

Anywhere specific that's a good resource for learning to recap/electrician basics? Other then obviously just Google or YouTube.

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I feel like a doink after googling that thread title.

It is bothersome to me on bright screens. I'm using a flashlight so my phone can pick it up.

I already did a test teardown and reassemble. Might try a repair kit first but soaking a few hours and peeling seems doable. Thanks man.

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There's a few smaller scratches but they don't catch the light like this one.

I think I'm gonna risk it, it's only $30.

>> No.3747315

Getting my hands on a trinny soon, planning on connecting my snes and Genesis 1. I don't have any of the cables yet, but should I expect to be buying the scart cord for each, plus a scart to bnc adapter? Or is an s video connection better/possible on either of these?

>> No.3747325

Sorry, I should say 'trinny' means the PVM-8041Q

>> No.3747331

TV or Monitor? Are there any with vga port and composite?

>> No.3747343

just get the bnc direct cables from
she shutters the store sometimes but it should be open soon

about $60 a pop for the cables, you'll save by not having to get a breakout and using an extron switch instead of a scart switch. it has a standard 4 pin mini din y/c input so any s-video cable will hook up.
Why you would want to spend all this for an 8" display is bonkers though.

>buys tiny pvmeme
>doesn't know what inputs it has, or if RGB or Y/C is better
>this is /crt/ now.

>> No.3747349

I knew all these things, I just wanted reassurance. I'm not sure if I'll go for the direct, but thanks for the link, I didn't know they were out there.

8" is good inch.

>> No.3747350

guise I'm updating OP monitor pasta with personal impressions about monitors I've used. Others impressions are welcome.
Here is the part to give you an idea.

>> No.3747364

snes has native s-video support but most 3rd party cables are of poor quality. Add a socket, or mod an existing cable with a better wire.
genesis needs to be modded, but then adding an s-video socket allows tu use regular s-video cables and quality ones are cheap and plentiful.

>> No.3747373

So the answer is use bnc

>> No.3747378

resistors and caps don't fit in bnc

>> No.3747387

Would a composite to s video adapter look really bad?

>> No.3747392

There are some external video decoder boxes on Ebay that separate the luma and chroma of composite and convert it into S-video which then goes to your TV.

Will using one of these boxes give noticeably better composite video quality than just plugging your console into your TV (which has its own comb filter to separate luma and chroma)?

This is for composite consoles like NES, SMS, Megadrive, and PC Engine.

>> No.3747394

not really.

>> No.3747408

When I wrote manuals, I really meant legitimate textbooks which would have been and possibly still are used by students going to trade school. Using an internet search for clarification and maybe a youtube video here and there for visualization is great, but you don't want to get electrocuted or burn your house down over some sweet scan-lines, my friend.

My understanding is that your signal is only as good as the weakest link in the chain. You can take s-video and input that into an extron unit that outputs RGBS, but it won't be any better visually than the original signal despite the conversion.

>> No.3747449

Only the NES is really composite.

>> No.3747534
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So guys i think i wasted 40 euros.
Today i went to a local television studio in my town, in search of a professional monitor. I found a tecnician who had the Hantarex and the Trinititron shown in the picture to sell. 40 euros for the hantarex and about 50 for the trinitron. I took the Hantarex which is about 15' and it seemed to have the higher image quality but he said i can switch the Hantarex with the Trinitron if i m noy happy with it. The problem here are the video inputs because i don't actually know how to use them. I never saw a RGB like the one on the Hantarex. Do i need a BNC adaptor for the video in? In addition both did not have audio in. Did i threw my money away?

>> No.3747539

Looks like composite over BNC, and some kind of d-sub style jam for RGB. Guess you'll have to figure out if the pin-out is standard, if it is, just buy a BNC breakout adapter. If it's not, build one, or use composite.

>> No.3747552

Repair technician is still a job at TV stations like mine. We have one guy who is basically a wizard. He fixes cameras, satellite receivers/tuners/controllers, lights, microphones, wireless packs, switchers and mixers, monitors, etc. His favorite jobs were fixing tape decks but those have all been decommissioned.

I almost want to do a documentary about CRTs, using this guy and some other wizards as sources. I really need to find a Japanese Sony engineer though.

>> No.3747574

picking up a LG Goldeneye CRT TV for $20 dollarydoos

>> No.3747618

Anyone from Quebec here?

I'm willing mod your standard NTSC TV and add an RGB input for a few bucks.

Just send me your TV model and brand.

>> No.3747620

Play 007 Goldeneye on it.

>> No.3747649

Ehh at least it's not dying and the lines are only a minor annoyance, so I'm in no rush to fix it

>> No.3747781

It takes RGB
thats a DB 9 connector like some of the commodores have, they make DB9 to VGA cable adapters but then i guess youll need a scart to vga adapter.

even then if the pinout isnt standard then that wont work.

I would call the guy you bought it from and see if he has any cables

>> No.3747854

thank you for your answers, soon later i realized it is a db9 with some research. I think i'll look around for a composite to bnc adaptor and some RCA compatible speakers (or convert RCA to jack 3.5) because considering the scart -> VGA -> DB9 i would lose the sound if i am correct

>> No.3747913

they make scart with audio breakout

>> No.3747945
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Here's the pin configuration for your DB9.

Should be very simple to make up a SCART patch cord but you'll need a sync stripper circuit (Retrorgb.com has details) and wire up the resulting composite sync to pin 8 of the DB9.

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Any love for the 27" Profeel?

Picking one up tomorrow for £5. Fully working but only one speaker and missing the control cover flap.

>> No.3747968

weren't those hidef models with tons of processing shit going on?

avoid for retro, probably great for hd consoles

>> No.3747972

Real nice monitor, both the picture and the set itself are lovely.
That's a really, really good price m8.

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He said it would go to the tip if not collected by friday lunchtime...

>> No.3748001

>go to the tip
Go to the dump? A monitor like this??? Is he dumb or what? No one throws stuff like that when they know what kind of monitor this is. Even TV and video production studios that don't use them anymore store them instead of dumping them.

>> No.3748006

I have one. Heavy as fuck but the handles on top make it a little easier to carry. Too bad about the front panel. You'll have to make a custom cable for RGB.

>> No.3748014

It would look like composite.

>> No.3748015

Good console SCART cables have the blanking pins wired so they'll make the set switch to RGB automatically. As he's living in the UK, I doubt it'll be hard to find these.

>> No.3748024

Oh, do EU Profeel have scart? The one I have has a ribbon cable port for RGB, same size as a old floppy drive connector.

>> No.3748028

Yes, they were assembled in RFA and had a SCART socket.

>> No.3748038
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It has both SCART and the 34 pin connector. I might make up a custom cable for shits and giggles but the only plugs I can find are IDC intended for ribbon cable. Interference would probably be a big problem if I didn't use coax for the RGB lines, no?

>> No.3748051

>Does anyone know of an HDMI to YPbPR converter which passes double-strike signals correctly?
Please this I want to use my computer on my CRT for playing old games, how would I do about this gentlemen?

>> No.3748057

>Interference would probably be a big problem if I didn't use coax for the RGB lines, no?
Most RGB cables don't use coax cables.

>> No.3748072

There's no demand for RGB monitors in Europe like there is in the states. We got scart tellys for days and that's just another and a very old one. You're the dumb one here thinking these old monitors hold any value expect for couple of thousand /r/crtgaming subscribers.
>Even TV and video production studios that don't use them anymore store them instead of dumping them.

>> No.3748085

pro feels are still fairly rare

>> No.3748174

Nah, my plan for my cable is a short shielded ribbon to a breakout board. I'll probably put it in a little box or plexiglass sandwich.


>> No.3748213

>There's no demand for RGB monitors in Europe like there is in the states.
There is a demand, not a huge one, but there is. The ads stay for a few month, but the seller alway end up selling them (I've never been met with a "sorry but I dumped it" response, alway a "it has already been sold" one) even when there's .
>We got scart tellys for days
No shit Sherlock, there was a law here forcing manufacturers to put SCART sockets on TVs if they wanted to sell them here.
>and that's just another and a very old one.
That's not, that's a high-end video monitor, and here in France the people who bought them are smart enough to know that they can still be great video monitors for people who are interested in older video hardware, even though the demand isn't that high, and sell them without pricing them too high (not the usual "I know what I got" like you'd get from boomers selling rusted out muscle car shells in the US, because they know they wont sell them if the price is too high, the demand is there, but it's small), instead of just dumping them because "they're just old tellys".
>>Even TV and video production studios that don't use them anymore store them instead of dumping them.
Yes they do, technicians usually store pricier old hardware for quite some time (I know some businesses that still have Pentium II computers in storage, and I recovered a 1999 Pentium III-based server just a month ago from a university) instead of dumping it every 1~3 year cycles like keyboards and mouses.

>> No.3748218

The only ribbon cable I can find is overall screened though. Won't you run into the same problems with video to audio leakage as people complain about with Chinese SCART cables?

Or are you just going to cut the audio lines altogether? I'd still be concerned about the blanking and switching lines interfering with the video signal but perhaps this won't be an issue.

>> No.3748491


No, the hiss is still there when the TV is turned on with nothing plugged in.

It sounds like normal speaker hiss but it is already too loud at 1/3 max volume.

Is this caused by something going bad in the amp or did Sony just cheap out on the audio amp of this Trinitron?

>> No.3748770

I would go with the amp is failing. Normally they weren't total dogshit. Good news is audio amps are a lot easier to fix than most crap.

>> No.3748772

I would use a shielded non-twisted pair ribbon. With such a short run, I think things will be fine. I'll let ya'll know whenever I get it done.

>> No.3748939

Any pointers?
What component(s) do I need to replace?

>> No.3748998

incorrect. Convincing leaks say 900p "docked" (meaning HDMI output while charging), and 720p on its little screen while on battery.

color depth? It should look nice on an FW900 if you found a cable that could convert 900p HDMI to 900p VGA or BNC without upscaling to 1080p in between.

>> No.3749017

Which model are we talking? If it's a consumer set, I probably don't have any special knowledge that could help.

>> No.3749018

Yo, I emailed you back about that 14 inch if you got it. Was wondering if any of the expansion slots where populated.

>> No.3749165

I'm going to make some homebrew cables for myself because of the outrageous pricing.
Will I regret making cables straight to bnc, without scart/scart adapter in between? I don't really own enough consoles to warrant a scart switch, so I'm pretty sure a [insert console port] to 4 way bnc would streamline things nicely, although I guess I lose out on versatility a little.
Thoughts? Anyone done this?

>> No.3749178

You could do VGA so you could use a VGA switcher. I'm not 100% sure, but I think those can be found cheaper than BNC switches.

>> No.3749194

Do you mean mod my console with vga, or make a vga out cable for it + bnc adapter?
Either are options I have considered.

>> No.3749217


pretty much all the info you need.

>> No.3749475

900p resolution over hdmi doesn't exist. It'll be upscaled/downscaled according to choosen res.

>> No.3749583

Is the HD RetroVision good for converting RGB to Component?

Or are there other better RGB to Component converters for the Super Famicom?

I am planning to use it to play my Super Famicom on my Samsung CRT TV from 2009 which only supports Component, Composite and S-VIdeo.

Also, how do I know if a signal is 240p, 480i or 480p without a notification saying which resolution it is?

My TV doesn't show the resolution of the signal for whatever reason, the only thing it shows is whether it's Component, Composite or S-Video and if the sound is mono or stereo.

>> No.3749635

>Is the HD RetroVision good for converting RGB to Component?
It's pretty good for how convenient they are.
>Or are there other better RGB to Component converters for the Super Famicom?
There are better solutions, such as upscalers.
>Also, how do I know if a signal is 240p, 480i or 480p without a notification saying which resolution it is?
240p and 480i are synonymous. 480i is referred to as Standard Definition (SD) and was a broadcast standard. 240p is half as many lines as 480i but refreshed/redrawn twice as fast (progressive). 480p is often referred to as Enhanced Definition (ED). 720p and 1080i are High Definition (HD).

If you're interested in this stuff, read up on the history of broadcast television technology. It's pretty neat how dudes over half a century ago were transmitting video data both over wires and wirelessly. Not a lot changed until analog transmitters were phased out around 2009.

>> No.3749643

Anyone know of a Composite/S-Vid to VGA converter that handles 240p? Looking for lowish-lag over video quality.

>> No.3749795

super famicom supports s-video

>> No.3749843

Thank you for all the tips, today i managed to get a rca to bnc converter and test the screen. I hooked up my ps2 (sorry for no retro) which should send a 576i 50Hz signal. There are periods while the image seems to be ok, some other times it seems to be unstable (i am not talking about the normal interlaced flickering). I guess i'll have to test it further and try different settings. That's the main reason that holds me to go down the rgb road, getting the bnc adaptor costed me nothing while i should spend time and money on the rgb. Moreover the seller is willing to take the hantarex back for the pvm (which has not an rgb input) if it gives problems

>> No.3750179

dvdo iscan plus v2, line double to 480p.

>> No.3750182

I'm seeing them on eBay, is the RGB setting on the flip-switch for VGA? I imagine the Component settings needs breakout cables?

>> No.3750232

BNC is fine. And if you ever need to switch you can just grab some phoenix connectors and one of these:


>> No.3750257

SO whats the best?

>> No.3750261

SO what's best?

>> No.3750290
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Name a better monitor right now

>> No.3750338


>> No.3750430

So, how bad are these things for a quick/dirty way to do composite to VGA?


Since it's staying analog, does that mitigate the addition of input lag? I remember I had an old one in college I used for like, PS1 and whatnot, but I can't remember what the lag was like. I'm just trying to play NES on a VGA monitor on the cheap.

>> No.3750437

It will scale the video, defeating the purpose of using a CRT. It will also look like shit. Just use a composite CRT TV.

>> No.3750451

I'm trying to get a Commodore 1084S for about $65-$70 CDN. Does that sound like a good deal? If I'm being too cheap I will offer a bit more

>> No.3750640

Depends on how much it was used and how bad the market is for decent monitors in your area. Also how poor you are. I would pay $50 for it personally, maybe more if the seller was stubborn.

>> No.3750658

What's the relative quality of the YPbPr on a sony pvm vs rgb. I know rgb is a more direct connection, but is the difference between connections noticeable?

>> No.3750675

Depends on the source, but the quality you're going to get from Component is essentially the same as RGB.

Do remember though, that the two signals have to be configured and calibrated for separately, so comparing the same source over the two separate signals will not look the same unless said calibration is done.

>> No.3750683

So if the source is a super nintendo, which I believe supports component natively, I should be able to coax out rgb quality with a component cable (plus rca to bnc adapters)?

>> No.3750746

SNES does not support somponent

>> No.3750754

Yes, I know that.

But RGB is better than S-Video, even when converted to Component.

>> No.3750787

There are technically models out there which can generate Component internally, but it not only requires modding to actually make use of but it's also extremely touchy/hit-or-miss on how well it actually works on any given set.

If you're referencing the HD-Retrovision Component cables, those are transcoding RGB to Component.

But, if you're having to adapt to BNC, you'd be better off just sticking to the native RGB that the monitor you're using presumably supports.

What model is your CRT? It's possible something made so late could be an HDCRT, even lacking HDMI or otherwise.

I have no experience with them personally, but the Retrovision cables are apparently pretty decent. If you only plan to get/make use of component for you SNES, they'd be a decent buy if you can actually get a hold of them, but if you think there's any chance that you'll want to use another system or more over component as well, you'd be better off buying a standalone RGB-Component transcoder.

>> No.3750965

I don't know what model it is or what year it was even made, even if I bought it back in 2009.

But what I do know is that it's a Samsung CRT made in the 2000s.

>> No.3750978

There should be a sticker on the back with the model number written on it.

>> No.3751023

Is there anything like the 240p test suite for the n64? I've got an everdrive so that's how I'm planning on running the program.

>> No.3751092

New bread
>New bread with a missing slash oh well

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