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[Anonymous No.3720321]

An evil version of Shining Force would be gnarly.

>good defeats evil, as it always does
>evil heroes are banished to shitty places
>eventually some jackass plunders a tomb and sets one of them free as per usual
>an ancient evil awakens
>i mean literally, they're just old as fuck and they can't really fight anymore. the ways of evil must be passed on to a younger generation. the old days weren't so bad. they were just...different
>meanwhile in the cities good guys become totally oppressive & totalitarian & paranoid. people are miserable but of course everyone would feel guilty if they rose up against the clearly good guys. it's all there in the history books
>you must gather your party by liberating towns and villages from douchey heroes and angels with flaming swords
>why is it always flaming swords with these assholes
>fuck

[Anonymous No.3720894]

>>3720321
>>meanwhile in the cities good guys become totally oppressive & totalitarian & paranoid. people are miserable but of course everyone would feel guilty if they rose up against the clearly good guys. it's all there in the history books

>good guys
>oppressive
>totalitarian
>paranoid
>people are miserable
>clearly good guys

eh.

other than that, I'd play Shining Force from the perspective of evil

[Anonymous No.3720897]

yeah many rpgs would have been fun to be evil in, instead of your generic hero type

also post games where you are evil

[Anonymous No.3720903]

>>3720897
Dark Half had a really interesting take on playing as the evil guy (as well as the good guy), and now that I think about it there's a twist that's really, really close to some of OP's ideas.

[Anonymous No.3720909]

>>3720894
The whole concept of "good guys are so lawful that they turn oppressive and evil" was the premise of Ultima V and ir managed to make sense in that game. With some extra planning it could work in other games. Having bad guys become the liberators was explored in Megami Tensei II and games like that, and it could work in a Shining Force style world thematically. It could underscore that forces of chaos are needed to free mankind or whatever, like Lucifer in Megaten or the chaotic paths in Ogre Battle.

[Anonymous No.3720923]

>>3720909
yes, but that analogy doesn't really work here. In Ultima V the good guys turned evil and the Avatar was still a good guy, so it was not like you are playing evil in that game; nor do I think is it necessary to find some good reasoning for evil (eg that chaos leads to freedom trope) because you wouldn't really play evil then (you are just the liberator after all, eh?)

if you make a game about being the bad guy you should have the balls to actually go through with it and let you play the bad guy instead of some half assed compromise (good guys turned opressive, forces of chaos are actually liberators, etc.). The recent RPG Tyranny would be a decent example and even there they kinda pussied out by offering you the ability to turn renegade.

[Anonymous No.3721015]

>>3720909
>it could underscore that forces of chaos are needed to free mankind or whatever, like Lucifer in Megaten or the chaotic paths in Ogre Battle.
this. this anon gets it

anyways it's not really necessary to actually *be* evil and do evil things. nobody needs to be putting kittens into blenders and making your grandparents work in the salt mine

it's that power corrupts and corrupts absolutely. eventually any idea can become oppressive and shitty

>In Ultima V the good guys turned evil and the Avatar was still a good guy, so it was not like you are playing evil in that game; nor do I think is it necessary to find some good reasoning for evil (eg that chaos leads to freedom trope) because you wouldn't really play evil then (you are just the liberator after all, eh?)
yep. this too

in the end it's still just a shining force game with a novelty reskin and some slightly tweaked dialogue. you're just up against a different threat. the story gets changed, the allies, and so on too. you get to be those weird mutants and monsters but its essentially still just a basic tactics simulator, b/c the shining force formula is golden & there's no need to do anything with it in terms of mechanics

"dark dragon" is a cyclical process. so maybe from a story perspective anything that lives forever eventually can't really stop itself from becoming evil

anyways general elliott seemed to be a good dude

[Anonymous No.3721542]

>>3720894
>>3720909
>The whole concept of "good guys are so lawful that they turn oppressive and evil" was the premise of Ultima V ...
Also that of Joseph Stalin, or, say, the whole fucking Catholic Church. It's not like it doesn't happen in real life. Less major but more recent example: just look at extremely dogmatic liberal leftists (as opposed to saner leftists). Look at how feminists like Julie Bindel, Meghan Murphy, Germaine Greer, Sheila Jeffreys, or Lierre Keith are being thrown hateful bile by dogmatic liberal leftists. If you're the "wrong kind of feminist" you may as well be a literal neo-Nazi in their eyes, and I'm not even exaggerating because a senior editor at supposed lesbian publication Autostraddle (actually a "queer" publication) literally compared separatist lesbians (i.e. those who want communities of their own, without bi women or male-to-female transsexuals in them) to the alt-right on Twitter, i.e. literally to neo-Nazis, and got hundreds of likes and shares. It's hilarious and depressing at the same time. More hilarious if you're a conservative and more depressing if you're a leftist I guess.

/end under-handed political shilling

[Anonymous No.3721590]

>>3721542

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[Anonymous No.3721636]

>>3721590
>youtube pseudo-intellectual punch
You'll see barely any of the feminists I've mentioned on YouTube. Bindel is a journalist who writes among others for The Guardian. Murphy is founder of Canada's leading feminist website, Feminist Current. Greer is fucking Germaine Greer, like come on. Jeffreys if a 70 year-old university professor. Keith is head of Deep Green Resistance, a propaganda organization that explicitly supports infrastructure sabotage and other sorts of asymmetric warfare against the industrial complex. You won't find any cool hip popular YouTube feminists supporting many of these women's ideologies.
I got into feminism proper through actual radical/classical feminist literature: http://radfem.org/
You're a doofus if you think any of this stuff has anything to do with the crap you're saying, like alternative medicine or capitalist appropriation of political movements. One could say that's closer to the dogmatic liberal leftists I'm mentioning, though I wouldn't necessarily claim that either.

[Anonymous No.3721671]

>>3721636

Nice try. Your comment mentions specifically how many likes they got on twitter for comments you find ridiculous.

You aren't into academic feminism. You're into charlatans manufacturing outrage on youtube. Tell me, what will I find if I youtube those names? Will I find some lout who yells into a microphone about how terrible being PC is? Will I find someone casually discussing how awful and repressive liberal left is? And If I do, can I take that as evidence you are lying through your fucking teeth?

Just admit it. You don't know anything about gender studies or academic feminism that you didn't hear from some shitwick on social media.

[Anonymous No.3721708]

>>3721671
>Nice try. Your comment mentions specifically how many likes they got on twitter for comments you find ridiculous.
Dude, learn to read. I complained about the likes one of those dogmatic liberals got. They're the ones big on Twitter. From those I listed, some also have a Twitter, but they don't "live in social media" like liberals do. They utilize it for publicity. In fact only Bindel and Murphy use Twitter as far as I'm aware. They're a bit like your mom or dad using Twitter. The youngest woman I listed is Meghan Murphy, who's about 40 (though she looks 20 DESU; so much for the fat ugly radical feminist meme).

>You aren't into academic feminism.
I'm not, I'm into activist feminism. The kinds that would hold rallies on the streets, like Take Back The Night. (Not entirely comparable to "Slutwalk" I'm afraid; read Murphy's critique of that to understand the difference.) The kind that opens rape and battery shelters. The kind that lobbies governments and big human rights organizations to get change in laws, like to implement the Swedish model against prostitution. Read up on the legal achievements of Catharine MacKinnon.
The only academic among the women I listed is Sheila Jeffreys.

>charlatans manufacturing outrage on youtube
Literally can you read? I said any of these women can barely be found on YT. I mean you can find some recordings of talks that they held/took part in at some seminars, but literally not one of them has a YT account. (Deep Green Resistance has one; they're *everywhere* on social media, even freaking Instagram, since it's a pure propaganda organization.)

>Tell me, what will I find if I youtube those names?
Recordings of public seminars at which they spoke, TV news in which they appeared, interviews that were held with them, etc.

>Will I find some lout who yells into a microphone about how terrible being PC is?
No. Not one of them produces YT videos. (Not that that can't be done well; Anita Sarkeesian did that pretty well.)

[Anonymous No.3721716]

>>3721708
>(Not that that can't be done well; Anita Sarkeesian did that pretty well.)
I can already see you getting triggered by that sentence so let me elaborate: Sarkeesian is kinda middle-ground. She focuses on critique of video games, which is a very limited topic, and also one that can get mainstream pretty easily and isn't hard and gritty like challenging prostitution laws or doing front-line work in male violence against women/girls. But if you listen to her you'll notice that she at least applies sound classical feminist principles to what she does. So purely within the small domain she works in, she does a pretty great job IMO. It's not the most important thing, but it sure helps.

Anyway, look up any of the other names I mentioned. Lowest age 40 and all are pretty serious business. I don't really understand why you can't imagine someone knowing a bit about "real feminism", or is it the existence of "real feminism" that you can't believe in, I dunno. Like is this that "feminism won and is long over by now so there can only ever exist media clowns among those calling themselves feminists nowadays" meme? I guess that must be it. But nah, in the grand scale of things feminism is in a young stage and has a shit ton of stuff left to achieve even in the most "modern" nations on Earth.

[Anonymous No.3721721]

So this is what Shining Force threads have come to, huh?

[Anonymous No.3721737]

>>3721721
Honestly, the whole thing has started and could have also ended with >>3721542.

You could say I went on too much of a tangent, though it was still basically on-topic. OTOH shit like >>3721590 is entirely unprecedented and probably happened purely because some people rage at literally any mention of so-called "SJW" stuff. (I know nobody used that term here, but if this isn't about that I don't know what else.)

I happen to make a post mentioning any such topic like say once every three months here and someone starts bashing almost every time. Ironic considering the "anti-SJW" folks are the ones who keep complaining about censorship/silencing. Like, we're on 4chan, you can already call someone a nigger cunt faggot Jew who should be gassed and nobody will bat an eye, so how about you also ignore people who use the word "feminism" in their post.

Sorry, I'm kinda pissed about this topic and can't stand how irrationally people react at any tangential mention of it. I know I'm contributing to off-topic by not just ignoring the other anon.

[Anonymous No.3721742]

>>3721708

Still larping? You aren't fooling anyone. I've studied feminist philosophy -including the deep green environmentalists.

You aren't even comprehending my simple comments. That's why you are incapable of reading and understanding feminist philosophy. I'll let you figure out where you went wrong. Let me know when you're done larping.

[Anonymous No.3721751]

>>3721742
>I've studied feminist philosophy -including the deep green environmentalists.
Oh really? Can you quote Keith on femininity and tell me briefly what she meant with it? Thanks.

Good troll though, kept me going for quite a while and had me put actual effort into my responses, so you get an 8/8 m8y m8.

P.S.: *Gender* studies is bullshit. *Women's* studies or GTFO.

[Anonymous No.3721782]

>>3721751

>still larping

That's too bad. Let me know when you're finished browsing pretendingireadopedia.

[Anonymous No.3721796]

>>3721782
>pretendingireadopedia
I bet this troll I'm being charitable towards by still replying to him hasn't even read the 100-page manual 'Pornography and Civil Rights' that elaborates on Dworkin & MacKinnon's Civil Rights Ordinance that was drafted to grant women a civil rights remedy against sexual hate crimes arising from pornographic publications without resorting to conservative state-enforced censorship of sexual content, which can be downloaded for free in PDF format from radfem.org.

Git gud, pretendfeminist.

Thanks for giving me an excuse to shill further.

[Anonymous No.3721807]

>>3721796

>Ivebeenfoundoutgooglewillsaveme

How do you think Mac would feel about your larping?

[Anonymous No.3721845]

>>3721807
>yfw literally nobody ever calls MacKinnon "Mac" because she's a now 70 year-old lawyer and they don't operate like that
But good try!

Next quiz! Can you please explain to me what Andrea Dworkin meant when she made a distinction between "truth" and "reality" in her article The Root Cause, which can be found in her book Our Blood, which can also be downloaded for free in PDF format from radfem.org?

Wait, don't tell me you never finished a single book by Andrea Dworkin!

[Anonymous No.3721872]

Shining Force is better than Zelda.

[Anonymous No.3721881]

>>3721872
Comparing it to ALttP, I'd say about equal. Zelda has more cool items, dungeons/puzzles, and action, whereas SF has more cool characters and strategy.