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[Anonymous No.3720013]

Thief thread

[Anonymous No.3720029]

>>3720013
To get the thread rolling,

Best TDP map: ____
Worst TDP map: ____
Best TMA map: ____
Worst TMA map: ____
Favourite gear: ____

[Anonymous No.3720153]

>>3720029
TDP: Break From Cragscleft Prison (TDP + Gold: Song of the Caverns)
Strange Bedfellows (both for base TDP and TG)
Life of the Party
Kidnap
Rope Arrows

[Anonymous No.3720229]

Gonna get these out of the way before somebody asks.

[Anonymous No.3720231]

>>3720229
and this

[Anonymous No.3721032]

>>3720029
Best TDP map: the sword
Worst TDP map: the lost city (really suffered in this map)
Best TMA map: ambush
Worst TMA map: Kidnap (fuck this lost city)
Favourite gear: gas mine

[Anonymous No.3721116]

>>3720013

[Anonymous No.3721301]

>>3721032
>>3720153
what's wrong with kidnap?

Best: Bank
Worst: Blood
Gear: Blackjack

haven't played more than a level or two of TDP

[Anonymous No.3721346]

>>3721301
go play TDP right now

[Anonymous No.3721357]

>>3721301
>what's wrong with kidnap?
It's shit.

[Anonymous No.3721375]

>>3720029
Best TDP map: So many to choose. I'd go with Cragscleft Prison.
Worst TDP map: Song of the Caverns. but I'd have to replay it to see if it's really that bad.
Best TMA map: Trails of Blood. It's an atmospheric level and it reminds me of TDP more. Call me a heretic but I didn't care for the other levels.
Worst TMA map: Casing the Joint/Masks. Those levels are quite boring to go through, just big hallways with rooms and a secret way to enter them from the back.
Favourite gear: The ability to sneak around.

[Anonymous No.3721382]

>>3721375
>>3721357
Oh god you just reminded me. Definitely worst Thief map I've ever played goes to kidnap. I was a dumbass and tried doing this mission in legendary and had to run away from the three guards in the same room as the guy you had to kidnap without dying from 3 hits. I had to drop him on the ground near the door and use speed potion. but, by the time I came back none of the guards were on patrol anymore, they just stood there. so i had to knock some out. one of the patrollers would automatically detect me no matter how slow I was, even if i did the sound glitch. i had to shoot an arrow into a room and hope the ai would do the walk pattern into the room, which sometimes work and didn't.

I'm not sure if that was a blogpost or not, but I just wanted to say that mission sucks.

[Anonymous No.3722362]

PLEASE BE WARNED

[Anonymous No.3722380]

>>3722362
A MISGUIDED SOUL

[Anonymous No.3722931]

>>3720013
Best TDP map: Bonehoard, and I used to hate it too. I guess it grew on me, but I've always loved plundering places like that (even the crypt in Arx Fatalis). The Sword was the most interesting and even though I felt it was somewhat of a chore, it made me want to keep playing, but if I had to choose it'd still be Bonehoard.

Worst TDP map: Strange Bedfellows, wasn't fond of revisiting a map loaded with enemies of that kind, and with nearly nothing to loot too. In TG, I found The Mage Towers tedious and unnecessarily huge, and it's difficult to say which mission I disliked more. I was fine with the Guild mission which everyone seems to hate, but since it's in the afterglow of Assassins, it wasn't horrible.

Best TMA map: Blackmail. Nice mansion break-in with a lot of stuff to steal, and a small slice of hidden spooky. But nothing matched the thrill of playing Unwelcome Guest for the first time, and it's a shame I found most of Angelwatch in Life of the Party boring. I would like the Bank more, but some parts just weren't enjoyable. And I was miffed that I didn't get to open at least one other deposit box.

Worst TMA map: Soulforge, lots of empty space. Fetch this, stick that there, turn on all these things, and on and on. A chore map with inadequate atmosphere.

Favourite gear: Rope Arrow, but if we're talking non-essential gear, Moss Arrows. Leaves a huge mess and they're so expensive I never buy them, but they do make crossing tile and metal much faster. I feel guilty whenever I use it.

[Anonymous No.3722982]

>>3720013
I fucking hate Downwind Thieves' Guild so much, it brings my replays of Thief to a halt every single time. Who thought this shit was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.3722995]

found this for sale at my local thrift shop for the highway robbery price of 25 cents.
Came with thief 2 and thief 3
Just tilt your head if the photos fucked

How'd i do?

[Anonymous No.3723881]

>>3722995
>thief 3

[Anonymous No.3724112]

>>3720013
I'm thinking to play TDP in software mode for the first time (back in '99 I already had 3D acceleration), did anyone tried this on a modern machine? maybe with virtualbox and Windows 98?

[Anonymous No.3724135]

>>3720029
Best TDP map: The Sword, and Song of the Caverns
Worst TDP map: Escape, Bedfellows, and Into The Maw Of Chaos
Underrated TDP map: Thieves Guild
Best TMA map: First City Bank And Trust, and Life of the Party
Worst TMA map: Trace The Courier and Casing the Joint
Underrated TMA map: Masks
Favorite gear: rope arrows

[Anonymous No.3725223]

What FM(s) have you taffers been playing lately?

[Anonymous No.3725576]

>>3723881
I thought its alright, I had fun with it and its a decent sequal at least. Of course if you expect masterpieces like the first two you probably be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.3726392]

>>3720029
Down in the Bonehoard
Strange Bedfellows (for Gold, every single one of the Gold missions. They're terrible.)
Blackmail
Running Interference

Favourite gear: Lockpicks.

[Anonymous No.3726409]

>>3720029
>tfw it's hard to appreciate and rank any of the OMs highly anymore because you've been spoiled by insanely good fan missions

Favorite gear is the flash bomb, though. I think it's a well-balanced "get out of jail free" item that is expensive and rare enough to not make it OP, and you still need skillz if you want to knock out 4-5 guards in one shot. I try to survive my alerts without quickloading all the time, so I also like that it makes you feel like a shitter when you have to use one.

[Anonymous No.3726879]

I don't understand where the hate for Casing the Joint and Masks comes from.

[Anonymous No.3727308]

>>3726879
I think it's just because we had to play through the same map twice.

[Anonymous No.3727754]

>>3726409
>tfw it's hard to appreciate and rank any of the OMs highly anymore because you've been spoiled by insanely good fan missions

Name 'em

I play on expert but I savescum and use diagonal movement. How awful am I?

[Anonymous No.3728450]

>>3727308
It's still a decent map that has multiple routes and good stealth. They're better missions than Blackmail or Kidnap.

[Anonymous No.3728529]

>>3728450
I don't think anybody doubts how good the level is. I think it's just the fact that we had play the same level twice in a row. Maybe if they were separated by another level in between less people would complain.

[Anonymous No.3728597]

>>3726879
Barely finished levels that are mostly identical and played one after the other. Casing is empty as hell, boring as fuck and the only shit to steal are coins, coins and more coins. Masks is a much better mission but suffers from Casing just before.

>>3728450
Kidnap, definitely. Blackmail? No way, at least not Casing.

[Anonymous No.3729163]

>>3720013
Is it weird that I really like the sword fighting in the thief games?

[Anonymous No.3731346]

Burrick bump

[Anonymous No.3731829]

>>3721382
>one of the patrollers would automatically detect me no matter how slow I was, even if i did the sound glitch.

What is the sound glitch?

[Anonymous No.3733604]

>>3729163
It's not perfect but it isn't weird as I first thought. Plus, when I discovered how movement and spacing can change things while fighting, I really had fun in the monster levels.

[Anonymous No.3733607]

>>3720229
>check out these sites
>people are still making fan missions

[Anonymous No.3733737]

Why this game is so good?
Why i can't find another game as good as thief 1&2?
This is the quest of my life, i just want another great game like this one.

[Anonymous No.3733739]

>>3733737
deu sex

[Anonymous No.3733741]

>>3733739
Desu Sex is Jack of All Trades just like Spector wanted. Thief is more focused game.

[Anonymous No.3733764]

>>3726409
> Fanmissions
> good

I have never played a fanmission that was as good as the original missions. Most of the missions on the offically recommended roster were bad or mediocre.

>>3727754

You're not awful, the level design usually encourages or enforces a playstyle of that kind.

[Anonymous No.3733765]

>>3733764
Calendra's Cistern is better than majority levels in both TDP and TMA.

[Anonymous No.3733879]

>>3733739
It's different. Thief gameplay is so dry. I mean, you don't talk to people and don't have sub menus. You don't spend skill points too. It's just you, some itens and a map. It's just the bare and still the game is so good.

[Anonymous No.3733895]

>>3733879
Bare? Art-direction is stellar, visuals/sound are top-notch for 1998, so is writing. The game gives you limited amount of tools, but they're all useful. Desu Sex has shittone of stuff, but it all clunky and unbalanced as fuck. And yet to this single day there is no Deus Ex 2.0. Fuck, there is no Thief 2.0: Deadly Shadows suffered because of console limitations and Splinter Cell was originally a console game, so tiny levels for you.

[Anonymous No.3733917]

>>3733895
No, i'm not denying how great thief is.
I'm just talking about how different these two games are. Desu Ex have a ton of shit, okay. But Thief manages to be a great game just being so simple.

[Anonymous No.3733923]

>>3733917
It's not that simple, it's one thing, but it's exercised almost flawlessly. And all the stuff in Desu Sex isn't deep in any shape or form.

[Anonymous No.3733930]

>>3733737
I still think System Shock 1 is their best game, but I get where you're coming from. Very few developers come close to the level of quality of LGS.

[Anonymous No.3733941]

>>3733930
System Shock was a kinda simplified Ultima Underworld in different setting. Even the whole Shodan stuff wasn't new: in the first TES, which is Ultima Underworld clone, the main baddy is constantly harrising you throughout the game.

[Anonymous No.3734268]

>>3733879
The dialogue options in Deus Ex consist of either an obligatory line to proceed in the dialogue, leaving, and only in the best of cases

a) an action-movie one-liner
b) a collected and rational response

You also spend skill points very rarely in Deus Ex, as everything is extremely expensive or useless to upgrade, and skill points accrue very slowly. So does cash.


Thief had a handful of mechanics, but made the game revolve around it. Deus Ex used many mechanics, some of them pointless, some of them not fleshed out well, some of them downright terrible.

Which game has the better stealth system for example? It's not even a contest. Thief wins hands down.

[Anonymous No.3734318]

>>3731829
I meant sneaking glitch.

[Anonymous No.3734330]

>>3733879
>yfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVSyGvSQR8

[Anonymous No.3734336]

>>3733607
>yfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVSyGvSQR8

[Anonymous No.3734339]

>>3733917
I see the simplicity as a good thing. There's really no frills, just a core set of systems that work well enough to remain fun for hundreds of hours.

[Anonymous No.3735612]

>>3733737
As you said, the chemistry of elements in this game made it great. Now stealth games rely on gimmicks or something that makes them unique. In stealth terms, maybe this series really is an once in a lifetime thing.

[Anonymous No.3737036]

>>3726879
Casing The Joint is virtually a walking sim map. Hardly any guards, nor gold. Overall objective is basically just "explore the map until you find a particular door, and then leave".

Masks is a perfectly fine mission, only hurt by the fact that Casing exists before it.

[Anonymous No.3737048]

>>3733941
I think SS being simplified compared to UU was one of its strengths.

[Anonymous No.3737279]

>>3734336
That looks cool.

[Anonymous No.3737302]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdVrGISqZWA

[Anonymous No.3737340]

>>3720229
Someone should update the Useful websites list, thiefmissions is still the best for downloading old missions but hasn't really added anything since 2013, taffersparadise is the most up-to-date website afaik.

[Anonymous No.3737640]

not to sound too dumb, but can thief 1 missions be run with thief gold?

[Anonymous No.3737664]

>>3737640
yes.

[Anonymous No.3737746]

I'm considering start a run on Thief 3, never played it and i'm asking you taffers the perfects mods for it.

[Anonymous No.3737862]

>>3737746
Thief 3 Gold is the way to go. It's bundled with the Sneaky Upgrade.

[Anonymous No.3738065]

>>3737340

I use darkfate

[Anonymous No.3738662]

>>3733737
Its indeed hard to find a good stealth game nowadays.

Dishonored could be a great stealth game, but the game gives the player overpowered abilities that its not only too easy to stealth, but also easy to ignore stealth entirely. Overall lacks the "player vulnerability" aspect that I loved about Thief.

[Anonymous No.3738712]

>>3720029
I dont know about best or worst, all I know is TMA is better than TDP by far and Soulforge is a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.3739049]

>>3737340
I seem to have issues downloading from taffersparadise. Sometimes they'd get stuck, or "finish" without actually fully downloading the file, giving me broken files.

[Anonymous No.3739243]

>>3738712

you have shit taste

[Anonymous No.3739368]

>tfw had to get a job and now out of the house 11 hours a day instead of working on my fan mission

It's been 2 years since I last opened it up in dromed. M-maybe some day...

[Anonymous No.3739408]

>>3737746
No mods are necessary to play it.

[Anonymous No.3739519]

>>3739368
>"don't be a neet", they said
>"do something productive with your time", they said
>"You'll enjoy being a contributing member of society", they said

[Anonymous No.3739557]

just beat thief gold, and excited to play thief 2, but it keeps crashing on startup, I have tried taffer patcher, as well as newdark by its self, but it still give the same "thief 2 has stopped working" message

[Anonymous No.3739605]

>>3720029
TPD
best: song of the caverns
worst: thieves guild. EVERYTHING ABOUT IT FUCKING SUCKS. i wasn't surprised at all to learn this map is also its author's ONLY map.

TMA
best: trail of blood, i guess? everything was good besides --
worst: sabotage at soulforge. it stops literally all my playthroughs.

gear: noisemaker arrow

>>3723881
pls

>>3738662
yup. that's pretty much the achilles heel of dishonored. your character is far too OP for the game's own good. it removes a huge incentive for stealth to even exist in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3739745]

Where do I find fitting face textures? When I google it, most of them look too realistic, too clean.

[Anonymous No.3739828]

>>3733765
Calendra's Cistern isa painful mess of circular, claustrophobic level design with terrible backtracking. You get access to area A, get key or something similar to area B, backtrack to the hub to get to that area...rinse and repeat.

The party area is a small mess of being caught for the slightest mistake, forcing the player to savescum to hell and back.

There's no psychological flow, no coherent and logic to the levels design and the level objectives. I remember that you have to steal something from an art dealer of some sort, and in no way does it tie in to the main story of the mission or the geographical location. In fact you need to go in the exact opposite direction of the starting and main objective areas.

The insipid love plot between Garrett and Calendra is fucking 12-year old Sonic fanboy levels of stupid. I think Thief 2 cleared the idea of Garrett entering a romantic relationship with anyone rightfully off the map.

And the points I criticised apply collectively for fanmissions. They're either too small and densely guarded, or too big and labyrinthine, but in eithe rcase too fucking cryptic and reliant on bullshit key collection over actual thief gameplay.

[Anonymous No.3740005]

>>3739828

I agree with your points about calendra's cistern and I personally think there's a lot of overrated shit on those two recommendation pics, but that last sentence makes me think you haven't really played that many fms.

[Anonymous No.3740063]

>>3739605
What? Sara Verrilli made Thieves' Guild and she also made The Sword among others.

[Anonymous No.3740301]

>tfw I liked Thieve's Guild

I thought it was a fun map to explore, myself.

[Anonymous No.3740312]

>>3740063
oh, thats odd. whatever credit list i (or you?) read must have been wrong then. either way, thief gold would have been better off without that mission. it gives me a headache if i let myself think about it.

[Anonymous No.3740534]

>>3740301
Same. I never understood why it gets so much hate.

[Anonymous No.3740591]

>>3739557
I fixed it!
for some reason, I had to run in with my laptops integrated graphics, instead of the HD one

[Anonymous No.3740697]

>>3740534
SEWERS

[Anonymous No.3740767]

>>3740697
I'd rather the sewers in Thieve's Guild, over The Lost City anyday, personally.

[Anonymous No.3740819]

>>3733941
Arena is nowhere near on the level of SS1.

[Anonymous No.3741229]

>>3738662
Styx is apparently good for a modern stealth title. Getting a sequel soon, too

[Anonymous No.3741313]

>nighttime, planning to go to gym first thing in morning then do my taxes
>wake up
>vomit uncontrollably for a few minutes
>wait 10 minutes then do it again
>feel shitty about not being able to go to the gym
>remember I'm halfway through a T2 playthrough
>mfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hiUuL5uTKc&feature=youtu.be&t=9

[Anonymous No.3743120]

>>3733739
I feel I would've liked Deus Ex more if it was basically just Sci-fi Thief. I honestly wasnt that big on the RPG elements.

[Anonymous No.3743165]

>>3740312
Haha, that's quite funny. I also liked it, but I suppose from a gameplay aspect it's flawed.

[Anonymous No.3744843]

>>3720013
Is there a way to get Thief 2 to have Thief 1's jumping physics?

[Anonymous No.3745131]

>>3740534
-Much too large.
-Level design feels like one giant corridor.
-Poor/overly simplistic building architecture.
-Poor enemy placement in many locations, the underground casino being the worst offender. On expert in particular, it becomes a blackjacking galore, since the enemy placement makes it impossible to just sneak by those fuckers, and you can't kill them either, because that's an automatic fail. So proper stealth play is impossible.

On top of that, while playing the Guild on Tfix last November, I encountered a bug where a certain door would not open, or react to anything, no matter what I tried. I had to lure one of the enemies into opening it for me by making noise, or else I would not have been able to advance. Still not sure if it was Tfix, or the mission itself.

Overall, the Thieves Guild for these reasons was a very dull and frustrating experience for me. The Mage Towers and the Song of the Caverns were much better designed, next to them, the Thieves guild felt like an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.3745390]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqwDGXxLhU

[Anonymous No.3745562]

Can Stephen Russel do the Garret voice anymore? I swear every modern thing he does, he sounds more gravelly

[Anonymous No.3745670]

>>3745562
Probably because they tell him to talk like that. Modern devs love the generic gravelly voice. Dishonored 2 is a prime example of this.

[Anonymous No.3745690]

>>3740005
I've played Return to Castle Morgoth, The Seven Sisters, Seven Shades of Mercury, the Rocksbourg campaign, the Order of the Vine, Disorientation, Between these Dark Walls, Mines of Margoroth, The Hand of Glory, The Bear Pits, A Better Tomorrow, Heist Society, Shadow of Doubt

just to name a few. Some of them had nice settings, interesting visuals and some other decent gimmicks, but ultimately lacked the psychological flow of an OM.

There's a certain thread running through each of those missions, with conversations, books, andsoforth being laced with hints, foreshadowing and world building. Keys are not impossible to find, and if you can't get a key you can usually lockpick it. This seems to be the most common problem, lock/key door code puzzles and other acces denial mechanics being fucking overdesigned in FMs. And here's the problem: If you build an FM, you're usually unexperienced in designing puzzles for a general demographic, so you are afraid of making it too easy and end up making it too hard. Alternatively, you just turn it into a fucking hassle. Less is more in this case. I remember in the first mission of the Rocksbourg series that I ran around for 3 hours before I found the first key beneath a porch in the Hammerite complex, and searching myself stupid for the rest of the keys. There was no hint, nothing to tell you that you needed to find a key there, it was pure random luck that I found it. You cannot argue that that is good design.

[Anonymous No.3745773]

What's the deal with the Soulforge workshop tower? I alerted the mechanist by stepping on the metal floor, he turned the power on, closing the access to the tower. Neither the switch nor the button he uses opened again the grate to the ladder. What do?

[Anonymous No.3745775]

>>3720029
Best TDP map: Sword
Worst TDP map: Thieves Guild
Best TMA map: Life of the Party
Worst TMA map: Ambush/Trace the Courier
Favourite gear: ROPE

[Anonymous No.3745876]

i thought thieves guild was alright except the sewer shit
mage towers is pretty good untill you actually get to the towers, then its just boring
why does eveyone hate song of the caverns? i thoght it was the only thief gold level i didn't have a problem with?

[Anonymous No.3745934]

>>3745690

>Rocksbourg
The pixelhunting for keys and 3 minute locks everywhere made me so mad. I can't believe how people here and over at ttlg hold this campaign in such high regard. I dropped the second mission halfway through for pretty much the same reasons as the first. I heard the third one was the best of the bunch but I'm not interested in trying it out anytime soon.

>The Seven Sisters
I hate that I'm forced to play the same mission twice. The mission itself is very good but not enough that I would love to play it twice in a row. Limiting how much I can explore by giving me only one lockpick was pretty lame too. It bothers me how garrett seems to act out of character, going out of his way to save random people in the city for no reason. Really none of his motivations make much sense. The final mission is very linear, but I find it memorable at least.

>Order of the Vine
Somewhat dated, and a couple of very annoying "features", but still very good in my opinion.

>Seven Shades of Mercury
Pretty weak start that is linear and scripted as shit, but once it's over it opens up and turns into a really good mission. I liked the gimmicks and I think they kept the gameplay interesting.

>Mines of Margoroth
This mission and the campaign it belongs to don't play a lot like classic thief. It's a lot more focused on exploration and puzzle solving. If you're not into that sort of thing, I can see how you might find it annoying. I really like it, though.

>Shadow of Doubt
This campaign is a bit of a mixed bag, it has some meh missions, but it also has two of the best missions in their respective genres in my opinion. Tears of blood is a great prison escape mission and broadsword of sheol is probably the best and most underrated horror mission ever.

>Disorientation, Between these Dark Walls, Heist Society
I think all of these are really good and don't have any weak points. They are better than most of the oms in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.3745938]

I liked the guild as some sort of underground maze, it fills a quota. It sort of weirds me out when I enter Reuben and Donald's quarters, it feels like two levels patched together. Mage's Tower is top tier aesthetically speaking, but too linear.
But I really like the supernatural elements lf TG in general. I loved how quickly the mood changed in the last three levels, shame that they feel kinda rushed out.

[Anonymous No.3746050]

>>3745773
Got it, there was a switch under the watcher too

[Anonymous No.3746060]

>>3745934
You should definitely play Rocksbourg 3. It has none of the author's mistakes in the first two missions and is genuinely one of the best and scariest missions out there.

[Anonymous No.3746087]

>>3720013
Black Parade yet? Never? Sometime?

[Anonymous No.3746168]

>>3746087
skacky posted on ttlg the other day that it's still being worked on but not much has been happening. Hopefully it'll be released sometime this year.

[Anonymous No.3747071]

>>3746168

Its quite fucking telling of the state of the videogame industry when the only games I expect in 2017 is some fucking news from From Soft, Mount and Blade 2 and a campaign for god damn game form the late 90s.

Dishonoured was so disappointing, again beautiful art direction but such compromised gameplay. Devs are out of touch.

[Anonymous No.3747089]

>>3724135
>Into The Maw Of Chaos

That map was amazing.

HOW FAST CAN GARRET GO?

LET'S FIND OUT

[Anonymous No.3747219]

>>3720029

Best TDP map: The Sword
Worst TDP map: Thieves Guild
Best TMA map: Blackmail
Worst TMA map: Trace the courier

Favourite gear: Flashbangs and Sword for undead missions, I actually love tomb raiding missions and love all the D&D Rogue archetype.
The tombs in Thief games are amazing and I love to get lost. Wish the combat was even more complex but hey.

[Anonymous No.3747502]

>>3747071
>Devs are out of touch.
I think we're out of touch. We want games that challenge us and give us an opportunity to learn relatively complex mechanics and employ patience and planning. We're like film snobs.

Devs are going for the game equivalent of the michael bay/marvel crowd. Although Thief is a superior use of the medium, most people don't want to be challenged, they just want to enjoy. If game revvieweers tell them it's the best, they will believe it. The word patience does not mean anything to any of them. QTEs reign supreme because most people like them.

[Anonymous No.3747540]

i played some of the dark mod a while back but got overwhelmed by the number of mechanics and quit it. too many tutorials turned me off from the game entirely

[Anonymous No.3747862]

>>3747540

The dark mod isn't really that different from the originals when it comes to gameplay mechanics.

[Anonymous No.3748532]

>>3747502
I see normies increasingly sick of qte and repetition.

Generation z is growing on minecraft, sandbox\crafting games and other alternative stuff for a reason.

[Anonymous No.3749010]

>>3747862
Its pretty good.

A marvellous effort I would say, but the Sword mechanics and physics are wonky as hell.

But damn I dont think any other community would do something like that, Thief has become a legendary game.

[Anonymous No.3749608]

>>3747089
That's kinda the point. You can simply run through it. Still amazing though

[Anonymous No.3749647]

>>3747219
This. I missed undeads and beasts while playing TMA. But the two games complete each other anyway, the first one with the fear and mistery and the second with the horrors that mankind can create. It's perfect.

[Anonymous No.3749657]

>>3747089
too fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIaBkx3PVUU

[Anonymous No.3749712]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqwDGXxLhU

[Anonymous No.3750121]

>>3745934

The OMs have the golden cut of Thief level design. Unless you enjoy the breaking of that golden standard, the missions will ultimately be of a lesser quality. And I don't.

Disorientation for example, while it advertises its hugeness, is just too big.

[Anonymous No.3750209]

I've always felt T2 had the most underrated or underappreciated levels in the series, in the form of Eavesdropping, Blackmail and Precious Cargo

I also understand how Casing the Joint/Masks get a lot of flak, but the atmosphere and level layout is so enticing that I didn't at all mind replaying the level the first time around.

[Anonymous No.3750210]

>>3745876
>hate song of the caverns
people saying that Song of the Caverns is the best out of the added Gold levels is not an uncommon opinion

[Anonymous No.3750246]

>>3745934

Are these the best Thief fan maps? I finished the series game recently and was mind blown.

[Anonymous No.3750274]

>>3750209
Blackmail is amazing, I see a lot of people who love it.

I had a friend who was sure he had saw the Sheriff killer following him

The way the tension builds, and there is something weird with the mission.

The ambient, the atmosphere like you are being watched, Thief has a weird bizarre feeling for me which I dont know if other anons feel as well. Its like the devs infused devilish magic in this fucking game.

[Anonymous No.3750334]

>>3750274
I sure as fuck do.

[Anonymous No.3750845]

So I remember reading somewhere that Thief 2 was also supposed to get a gold-release, before Looking Glass studios folded. And that incomplete versions of the intended T2Gold maps were leaked somewhere by the devs themselves. Is this true, and has anything been done with those maps since?

[Anonymous No.3750853]

>>3750845


There was. I don thtink nobody ever tried to make however which is a shame.

I would be fucking amazing to get them but how with no VAs and mission briefings?

http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_II_Gold

There was one mission where Garret would steal from a museum and a university, I can imagine he atmosphere. And a fucking awesome mission where you would raid a Necromancer tower in the outskirts of the City.

There was also a mission dealing with Hammerites to explain to the player what happened to them in between the games, since the game makes it ambiguous.

[Anonymous No.3750931]

>>3750274
I absolutely know that feel.

[Anonymous No.3751346]

>>3750209
I liked those two mission. The feeling of scouting around before the exibition day was satisfying. Being able to guess where the cultivator or the masks were based on my previous exploration was a new feeling compared to the usual approach. A bit easier, but it was fun to bet on that guess.

[Anonymous No.3751365]

I'd really like to try with TDS but those loading times are making it hard. Or maybe they just exposed my quicksaving habits

[Anonymous No.3751380]

>>3751365
Have you tried disabling vsync? Deus ex invisible war had a bug where vsync would increase loading times, since they use the same engine i wonder if its affected too.

[Anonymous No.3751404]

>>3751380
Apparently nothing changed

[Anonymous No.3751490]

>>3750845
There were some early screenshots and concept art leaked but the mission files themselves weren't leaked afaik. There was a fan project some years back to create levels based on the concepts but it fizzled out before anything came of it. One of the members of the project finished and released one of the missions on his own but it turned out pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.3752532]

I wonder what it would have been like if there was a Thief styled game, but in a more futuristic setting.

[Anonymous No.3752672]

>>3752532
System Shock 2.

[Anonymous No.3752687]

>>3752672
...but that plays nothing like Thief.

[Anonymous No.3752693]

>>3752687
It has the same exact stealth system and engine.

But I was mostly joking know what you mean.
But wouldnt it be similar?

Big well done maps, psy powers for stealth, I think it would be very similar.

I remember one of the tensest moments in SS2 was stealthing the cargo deck with those combat droids and suicide bots, because I was a scrub.

[Anonymous No.3752704]

>>3720013
kek

[Anonymous No.3752743]

>>3720013
how is this

[Anonymous No.3752750]

>>3720013
kek

[Anonymous No.3752887]

>>3752693
I mainly just mean I want a game where I sneak into to places filled with guards to steal gold and valuables, but in a futuristic setting.

[Anonymous No.3752989]

>>3752532
there was the original version of thief 4, where it took place in a modern setting. But it was pretty different, with a big gameplay element being the ability to enter a silent hill style dark world, that would get more messed up depending on how many people you've killed in the regular world

[Anonymous No.3753007]

>>3752887
>>3752989


Actually before ending, Looking Glass was making that Cold War game, it had you play as a spy and steal confidential shit.

www.unseen64.net/tag/looking-glass-studios/

[Anonymous No.3753067]

>>3752887
There's a problem of security systems being very advanced and plentiful though. Any futuristic setting would have to explain how we're able to evade endless thermal cameras, motion sensors, laser tripwires, automated gun platforms, security bots, etc. without over-reliance on hax0rz, boatloads of equipment, or limiting ourselves to robbing the ghetto. If a game wants to resemble the original Thief mechanically, the main method of staying undetected should be movement.

Despite that though, a futuristic setting would have a lot to offer in terms of atmosphere. We can have the best of gritty cyberpunk and shiny optimistic future depending on when and where missions take place. I imagine valuables would take the form of high-tech goodies and exotic narcotics instead of gold and jewels though.

Great, now I want a futuristic Thief game too. Call me a pessimist but I don't think we'll be seeing one soon, unless we make it ourselves.