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3714014 No.3714014 [Reply] [Original]

Hardware aside, is there really no difference between a flashcart and the real thing?

>> No.3714016

>>3714014
Unless there are special co-processors for a game, all a cart consisists of practically is an address bus and a data bus. If it can take incoming bits and return the expect data, it's indistinguishable from the real thing from a software perspective.

Generic carts are actually incredibly simple electronic components.

>> No.3714019

>>3714014
Flashcarts add quantum interference to any games stored within a 20 mile radius, Please utilize the lead box that came bundled with your cart.

>> No.3714038

It's essentially the same thing, yes.

However, be aware that in SNES's case there were a lot of games that had additional processors in the carts themselves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_NES_enhancement_chips#List_of_Super_NES_games_that_use_enhancement_chips
The Super Everdrive won't be able to play any of these. The SD2SNES can play *some* of these, but I forget which.

>> No.3714046

I refuse to buy an SD2SNES until they get Super FX working. How long do they expect it will take?

>> No.3714050

>>3714046
NEVER EVER

For real though, probably never. And I won't buy one unless it has SA-1 support. I could care less about SuperFX, but SA-1 is a real loss.

>> No.3714062
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3714062

>>3714014
Depends on how good the flashcart is. Even SD2SNES can't fully outdo a legit copy of certain games for example, and that's the best SNES flashcart on the market. The upside however is that you can play most games with a flashcart almost flawlessly, so getting a flashcart depends on whether or not you believe the huge stack of cash being burned is worth being unable to play certain games.
Also protip: Google "junfangames taobao everdrive", they sell official chinese everdrives. They're way fucking cheaper than the jew ass prices on the website and they don't get bricked if you try to use krikkz's updates. You'll have to wait a few weeks longer but it's worth not paying out the ass for one of these.

>> No.3714571

>>3714014
Depends on the console. For example the Everdrive for N64 have near 100% compatibility due to a lack of extra hardware in the carts. Flash carts made for Famicom however, are more tricky due to the large amount of different mappers.

>> No.3714624

Yeah I'm not going to get a SNES flash cart until they either tank in price or get support for the coprocessor games.

What's the point if I can't play MegaMan x123?

>> No.3714627

>>3714624
But you can play Megaman X1, X2 and X3 on SD2SNES.

>> No.3714635

Not really, no. Pretty much every console just looks at the cartridge, cd, card, whatever slots as a source to receive data/instructions from. It's really simple stuff, part of what made 6th and 7th gen systems so versatile in this sense. Many of them can just be pointed to a directory and told to find the data there.

>> No.3715240

>>3714046

They used SuperFX as a dangling carrot to jew people out of their money, I'd be surprised if they even honestly intended to add it as there's been literally zero progress while the other chip games have been compatible from the start.

>> No.3715947

>>3715240
>while the other chip games have been compatible from the start.
To my knowledge, it and the SA-1 are just considerably more work than the others, especially when you're dealing with the limited resources of the current FPGA. It'd be a bitch to go switching and make people buy a new cart to be able to get them, but I wonder if upgrading to a newer, more powerful FPGA would make things easier.

>>3714627
For X2, and X3, I heard there there was a quirk with the Cx4's implementation where it was running faster than it was originally supposed to. Is that still true?

>> No.3715969

>>3714014

Glad this thread is here, been thinking about a cart lately. What's the best one for the Genesis? Does it have compatibility issues?

>> No.3715974

What I never got was why people bought these things.
I mean you can hook up a laptop to any modern TV and play SNES,Gameboy, gameboy advance, etc, with damn near perfect emulation. And it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

The only cartridge I could see buying is the 64 one, since 64 emulation is still currently pretty shit.

>> No.3715978

>>3714014
If the cart contained any "extra" hardware that needs to be emulated, then there could potentially be a difference. Most games don't contain much aside from a ROM chip, possibly some SRAM, and possibly a microcontroller for mapping, though.

That said, even games with extra chips will generally play identically to the original or not be supported. Nobody is going to notice the difference between the real chip and the FPGA implementation.

>> No.3715987

>>3715947
X1 works, X2 and X3 still don't even with the latest SD2SNES.
Keep in mind that even though SD2SNES has the widest compatibility there's still a good half dozen chips it doesn't support.

>>3715969
Mega Everdrive X7, most expensive is the best keep that in mind. It's not 100% compatible to my knowledge, I think it depends on how certain games save data, but it's far more compatible with Genesis games than the SD2SNES is with SNES games.

>> No.3715994

>>3715987
SD2SNES has an FPGA inside, however, which means future firmware updates. Mega Everdrives can't be upgraded AFAIK.

>> No.3716006

>>3715994
X7 is also FPGA so both are able to receive new firmware updates that will hopefully expand their compatibility. Problem is that there hasn't been any in some time so it's obvious that progress is slow nowadays.

>> No.3716007

>>3715987
Are you sure about X2 and X3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShCjuPHGIB8

>I think it depends on how certain games save data
If you're talking about stuff like Wily Wars, there's definitely a patch for that, and I think it may even have compatibility for it otherwise.

Outside of that, I think Virtua Racing might be the only thing that would actually cause issues.

>>3715994
Pretty much all of the Everdrives use FPGAs. They're just nowhere near as involved as with the sd2snes since it has all the Enhancement chips to deal with.

>Mega Everdrives can't be upgraded AFAIK.
That's incorrect.

With the Mega Everdrives in particular, software updates (just the OS really) can be done on any of them(seeing as they're loaded at boot of the SDcard). Hardware related ones that modify how the FPGA operates are only doable on the Mega Everdrive V2/X7, and not the older EDMD/X3/X5 hardware.

>> No.3716012

>>3715987
Wtf are you talking about? I was playing x2 on my sd2snes last week.

>> No.3716015

>>3716007
>>3716012
He probably has a chinese knockoff. That's why you should only ever use flashcarts that are bought straight from krikkz's website, it's well worth the high price to ensure maximum performance.

>> No.3716019

>>3716015
Well mine is actually a Chinese version and it works.

>> No.3716023

You don't get the smug satisfaction of owning the actual games
Looks way cooler to have the real thing in your console

>> No.3716027

>>3716019
I also have a knockoff and play X2 and X3.

>> No.3716036
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3716036

Speaking of flash carts. Why do some rom's of the famicom mini classic give an error message? Zelda 2 doesn't but Zelda 1 does.

>> No.3716058

>>3716015
The SD2SNES is the one that you really don't absolutely have to get from Krikzz's dealers, since it's not actually his hardware, and open source as such.

For any of the actual everdrives, you're right.

>> No.3716064

>>3715974
Please, don't be a fucking tightwad Brazilian. Emulation and on an LED screen is horrific.

A hundred or so bucks on your holiday is fucking nothing. If you can afford a computer and internet, you can afford a flashcart.

>> No.3716109

>>3716058
What's the cheapest place for an SD2SNES that's safe?

>> No.3716125

>>3715969
I just got an X5 and am real happy with it. It's around double the price of the X3 and a bit less than half of the X7, but is a good compromise. The major advantages over the X3 (in my mind) are the SMS Pause Button, saving without resetting, and Sega CD backup functionality. Those made it worth the extra $30-40, but the X7 wasn't worth the upgrade cost. Honestly, if I forgot to reset and lost a save even once it'd be worth half the upgrade fee to have it back, so it seemed easy.

>> No.3716223

>>3716064
No it's not. It's pixel perfect. It is literally the exact same as playing it on your computer. Only larger.

And 100% of the games work on your computer. Not so much with these flash carts.

>> No.3716231

>>3716223
Byuu'd like a word with you.

>> No.3716295

At this point, I'd just emulate with Higan. It's accuracy is top notch and pair it with a shader, 8bitdo controller, and you're good to go.

Or hook it up to a crt

>> No.3716572

>>3716109
https://junfangames.taobao.com/

See the chink shit thread for info on how to order from taobao

>>3696492

>> No.3716613

>>3714038
super everdrive can do dsp1-4 if you pay the extra

>> No.3716759

>>3716125

>>3716125

I was reading a review for a cheaper knock off on amazon and some guy mentioned flash memory. Will saves run dry on a Krizz-made Everdrive? If so that really sucks, especially with them costing so much

>> No.3716878

>>3716036
copyprotection afaik
you need to patch them.
http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/other-consoles/gba/0---classic-nes-and-famicom-mini-rom-fixes-ips-patches/

>> No.3716890

>>3716759
Saves are stored in the os folder at the root of the sd card. Unless your card gets corrupted or you overwrite the save you wont loose it. If you're talking about something related to the parts krikzz is using I can't give an opinion without more details.

>> No.3716896

>>3716759
>>3716890
you can also pull them off the sd card and use them in your favorite emulator.

>> No.3716906

>>3716878
how do I download? Iso zone was always confusing for me.

>> No.3716909

>>3716906
https://firedrop.com/d4234a6b4e95813d

>> No.3716982

>>3716890
>>3716896

Hot damn that sounds like my next purchase then. Shame it's so pricey though. Is an X3 at all viable or should I bite the bullet and go for an X5?

>> No.3717001

>>3716982
If you have or plan on getting a sega cd or are really into sms games you'll want an x5, I have one and I really enjoy it. I wont recommend the x3 since I don't have one, but if all you want to do is load MD/Gen games it will probably work for you.

>> No.3717080

>>3716982
>>3717001

Agreed. The X5 is worth the extra bit of cash. If you use it 5 years it's like 8 bucks a year. It's also still cheaper than PSIV when it came out. The X3 is fine, I'm sure, but if you play SMS, SCD, or games with saves, get the X5.

>> No.3717158

>>3717080

You said games with saves. How does the X3 handle them differently exactly?

>> No.3717171

>>3717158
I think he's referring to sega cd. The x5 can be used as a backup ram cart for game saves. But both the x3 and x5 have problems with the 15 or so games that use eeprom saves. But there are fixes for those games out there

>> No.3717219

>>3717171

I want nothing more than Genesis/MD games so I may just get an x3 in that case. Can anyone here speak for the x3? I've heard it loads a tad slow

>> No.3717456

>>3717158
X3 requires you to hit reset before powering off to save any game.

>> No.3717624

>>3716015
The hardware is open source so there's no such thing as a knock off SD2SNES. It was designed to be manufactured by different groups.

>> No.3718187

>>3717624
That still doesn't mean you'll be 100% fine with buying from the chinks.
They mostly just get batches of used/faulty parts for production to get by as cheap as possible and QC'ing finished boards is overrated as well.
Doesn't mean you're not able to be lucky but it's still a gamble.

>> No.3718271

>>3714062
>they don't get bricked if you try to use krikkz's updates

Can anyone who has an everdrive from junfangames confirm this? I found this thread in which some claim that updates don't work properly with these carts, as they use different parts.

https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=857.0

>> No.3719672

>>3714627

Holy fuck $200..... But it actually played EVERY SNES game flawlessly?

It's kinda tempting.... Does it have a FPGA or something in there to do the coprocessor?

>> No.3719676

>>3715974

I mean it's cool to play on the original hardware, it just works unlike a laptop/computer and you can easily bring it places to play on other SNES

From a pure technical (aka autistic) point of view you can't get more authentic than shoving the bits into the cart slot.

Flash cart prices aren't that expensive. I mean you gotta want one, but a few hundred isn't crazy.

>> No.3719925

>>3719672
>EVERY SNES game flawlessly?
See https://sd2snes.de/blog/compatibility

Those are the games it cannot play currently. Perhaps in a future update, but that has been said for a few years now with no real change.

It does allow for most games though.

>Does it have a FPGA or something in there to do the coprocessor?
Yes.

>> No.3720052
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3720052

Why is the X7 like 50% more expensive on Krikzz.com vs retrogate.com?

Surely a cartridge shell and (pointless) case aren't worth that much? I mean I can pick up a cib of
madden for pennies on the dollar, case it myself, and still be way ahead.

>> No.3720271

>>3720052
I just looked at the site. That's not a x7 it's a mega everdrive, the prospect the x7 replaces. They have a lot of the same features and it's got some stuff the the x5 doesn't have but it's lacking some features of the x7. Very deceptive advertising.

>> No.3720335

>>3718271
I have a couple from there since its actually closer to my region.

They work perfectly well with the updates actually, no problems so far.

Currently have an N8 and a GB. Adding an SD2SNES so I'll report back on that once I get mine in.

>> No.3720721

>>3720052
>>3720271
If you're talking about
https://shop.retrogate.com/everdrive/mega-everdrive-buy ($110, no shell)
vs
https://krikzz.com/store/home/33-mega-everdrive-v2.html ($166, shell and presumably case)
It's that the one Krikzz is offering would seemingly include the nice little clam shell, as well as being the "newer" product design. Functionally, the X7 and Mega Everdrive v2 are exactly the same; Transitioning to the X-Series for it was just a face lift, nothing else.

>> No.3720823
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3720823

>>3720271
Mega Everdrive V2 and X7 are identical according to pic related.

Enjoy paying 50 bucks for a couple of bits of plastic I guess.