PS1 on PS2

[Anonymous No.3708918]

What do you guys think about playing your games on the PS2? In my opinion, its better on the PS2 than on the PS3 since there's no input lag at all. It's the best Sony has gotten to an alternative to playing discs on PS1.

[Anonymous No.3708923]

>>3708918
i hear the texture smoothing thing on the ps2 kicks ass

[Anonymous No.3708930]

>>3708923
It really does. On PS3 it just blurs the entire screen while on the PS2 it just blurs textures.

[Anonymous No.3708969]

>>3708918
Palfag here. Anyone know how to get ps1 imports/burned games working on a ps2 with mcfreeboot?

[Anonymous No.3708978]

>>3708969
You have to install a hard drive via the network adapter, and run the games off of that.

This is actually the best thing about playing any PS1 or PS2 games on the fat old PS2 instead of an old PS1 or slim PS2. While it takes a tad longer for the console to boot up initially, it reduces in-game load times to practically zero. Combined with a good set of component cables, I find it to be the absolute best option available.

[Anonymous No.3708995]

>>3708978
Doesn't this not use the internal emulator

[Anonymous No.3708998]

>>3708995
Lol, no. PS1 games run off of the actual PS1 hardware inside the PS2. They included it!

When you're using the PS2 to play DVDs and PS2 games, the PS1 hardware controls is used to control the audio or something.

[Anonymous No.3709002]

I use the PS2 because I had a hard time disc swapping on the PS1. I'd put in the disc and then it wouldn't whir. I dropped Chrono Cross because it just wouldn't run the second CD. Final Fantasy VIII took ages and a few restarts for it to transition from one disc to the other.

[Anonymous No.3709006]

>>3709002
I used to turn my PS1 on its side or even upside down to get it to read discs. This was back before I knew how to adjust laser potentiometers using a multi-meter though.

[Anonymous No.3709008]

>>3708923
It makes Tomb Raider a lot more bearable I'll tell you that. Especially with the faster loading

[Anonymous No.3709020]

>>3709006
Is dogbreath.de still the best resource for pot adjustment info?

I think my 1002 needs a tweak as I get a tiny bit of stuttering on FMVs and can't get backups to load no matter what swap method I try.

[Anonymous No.3709030]

>>3708978
That uses poploader, which isnt as good as running it from a proper disc

[Anonymous No.3709409]

I have a question.

Can you use PSXLauncher with texture smoothing enabled, or is this not possible?

[Anonymous No.3709445]

>>3708918
PS2 is just a PS1 with component inputs.

[Anonymous No.3709548]

>>3709445
With smoothing and disc speed features.

[Anonymous No.3710348]

bump

[Anonymous No.3710427]

>>3708978
>>3708978
I have the hard drive. Now how do I install the PS1 iso on the drive?

[Anonymous No.3710441]

>>3708918
>look mah ah gots a post on the fourth channel
You kiddies give me the giggles some times

Posted from one of my chipped psx that I paid a few bucks for.

[Anonymous No.3710543]

>>3709409
Using PSXLauncher to boot burned discs on a PS2 all you're doing is performing the swap trick in 100% safety since PSXLauncher acts like the program on a magic swap disc, hence you're launching the game as if it was original, so all features that would be enabled by loading an original PS1 disc will still be enabled.

>>3710427
Launching PS1 isos on a PS2 will require an emulator, since the PS1 mode of the PS2 has literally no access to the hard drive or the usb ports.
Google POPStarter rev 13 and follow a guide on how to install it on your PS2 and how to convert isos so that they will work with it.
Mind, the compatibility is not the same for USB and HDD, check both compatibility lists for your game, and quite some games requires fixes(can be applied with the converter included with the main emulator).

If all this is too complicated for you(and i suspect it is if you needed to ask on /vr/ for something that takes one google search to find), stick to physical burned disc and PSXLoader, you'll have the same compatibility of original discs.

[Anonymous No.3710725]

So what about the ps2 slim instead of the original ps2?

[Anonymous No.3710738]

what about psp, how big is the memeput fag on that and how accurate it is?

[Anonymous No.3710745]

>>3710725
Emulator based. Good, but not as great as the PS2 classic / phat model.
Also several games are either incompatible or have some series glitches on the slim models.

[Anonymous No.3710747]

>>3710745
It's only partially emulator based.

[Anonymous No.3710751]

>>3710747
Not any good however.

[Anonymous No.3710757]

>>3710751
It's emulation, but not the usual kind.

More specifically it is processor substitution. The MIPS CPU of the PS1 is replaced by a PowerPC that has no other function other than to emulate the MIPS original.

It's actually arguable that the PS2 Slim is actually engaging in a form of PS2 emulation itself since it used that MIPS processor in PS2 games.

Accuracy of PS1 emulation on the slim is almost perfect. Minor timing differences broke compatability in some games. They fixed just about everything in the last Slim revision.

[Anonymous No.3710763]

>>3709030
Aww, that's gay.

>>3710543
Thanks for the explanation.

[Anonymous No.3710779]

The main problem I have with PS1 on PS2 is that PS2 games look best via component cables, however you won't get a picture from PS1 games running on a PS2 hooked up like that, only audio. Have to switch the cables, too much hassle.

[Anonymous No.3710783]

>>3710779
Please tell me you're joking. This thread is like slamming my dick in a door.

I was all gung-ho about getting my PS2 Fat from my brother and putting an HD into it to play all those old PSX games I love. Fuck you guys.

Th-thanks...

[Anonymous No.3710812]

>>3710783
You get picture alright. The problem you may encounter is that your TV may not do 240p over component.

[Anonymous No.3710878]

>>3710757
>Accuracy of PS1 emulation on the slim is almost perfect. Minor timing differences broke compatability in some games. They fixed just about everything in the last Slim revision.

I don't have currently access to my PS2 slim, but it's compatibility is far from good to PS1 games.
Either way, the slim line is notoriously bad due their hardware failure rate, I wouldn't recommend anyone getting one for any reason.
I bought five 5000X PS2 classics for that reason, reliable hardware and almost pefect PS1 compatibility.

[Anonymous No.3710982]

I've been playing PS1 games on my PS2 phat for years, I now have it hooked up via component to a Trinitron, would the PS1 give me any benefits? I did notice the blur I just maybe assumed it was something else, I have this "VM" thing turned on that brings back a lot of sharpness to games

[Anonymous No.3711057]

>>3710812

Both the CRTs I've played PS1 games on PS2 Fat with over component have displayed just fine, one some giant RCA, the other a Trinitron

[Anonymous No.3711069]

>>3711057
The TVs that have problems with 240p over component are usually LCDs or HD CRTs that do some sort of processing/scaling to the image. Most SD CRTs would be OK.

[Anonymous No.3711080]

>>3708918
If I could get games working off the HDD, it'd be fantastic.

[Anonymous No.3711117]

>>3710878
>>3710878
The slim is almost silent compared to the fat which is Xbox/Dreamcast levels of noise.

The Gamecube has half the noise of the Xbox and DC.

The slim, as long as it's not dusty inside, has 1/4 the noise of the GC.


The main fault of the slim is when lid-down sensors don't engage.
This is easily fixed; watch youtube tutorials for instruction.
The PS2 phat on the other hand is difficult to fix when its laser burns out or loses alignment.

[Anonymous No.3711121]

>>3708978
>>3708995
>>3708998
If it uses POPS, it's goddamn emulation. If the game is being read by the laser, then it's not emulation.

I personally load isos through ethernet to my PC's external hard drive, and that is emulation.

[Anonymous No.3711124]

>>3708918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7fCTHu99bk

[Anonymous No.3711149]

>>3711117
There's an extensive thread on assemblergames which analyzes the fault rate of the pstwo slim, the vast majority fries for apparently no reason.
I'm not talking about the noise level and such.

[Anonymous No.3711216]

>>3711149
Can you give link pls?

[Anonymous No.3711231]

>>3708923
Yeah it does. I have MGS1 from the Essential Collection, I played and beat it on PS2. When I picked up a PS1 at Goodwill and popped the disc in I was shocked at how much worse it looked. Honestly texture smoothed MGS1 looks nearly as nice Twin Snakes.

[Anonymous No.3711236]

>>3711124
>tfw your TV doesn't support RGB
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.3711240]

>>3711236
>RGB
I mean component.

[Anonymous No.3711276]

I found that 2 games do not work right on PS2, PAL region:
- Wing Commander 3, crashes when going into gameplay
- Soviet Strike, fire effects have a black background

[Anonymous No.3712123]

I just use this. My TV supports 480i through HDMI and it looks pretty good. Input lag is very minimal with it.

[Anonymous No.3712191]

>>3711231
fuck yes. i got the essential collection for christmas and i too will be playing on a ps2. good news.

[Anonymous No.3712195]

>>3712191

oh god yeah I have the reissue of MGS1 only and it's just such a blessing, no scratches nothing.

Why don't publishers do reissues more often? is it just to push the emulated versions and help developers push new consoles?

[Anonymous No.3712583]

>>3711149
Nigga I know tons of people who've made their PS2 slims go trough hell and back over the course of the last decade and those things are still doing just fine. Maybe they have some issues reading some burned games here and there but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.3712592]

>>3712191
How much you betting this "angry man" was DSP?

[Anonymous No.3712602]

>>3712583
I've got launch day PlayStation 1 and 2 which are both tip top and read discs fine on their original lasers.

A sample size of one is meaningless, anon.

[Anonymous No.3712610]

>>3712602
>a sample size of one.

PS2 is literally the only console anyone I know IRL has in this shithole and basically everyone has one. And nobody knows how to treat'em right. I'm pretty impressed by how sturdy they are to be able to withstand third world normie treatment.

[Anonymous No.3712627]

>>3712610
The sample size of one is (You), anon.

Believe it or not, people have been known to make up stories here on 4chan. Shocking isn't it?

[Anonymous No.3712635]

>>3712627
I guess. But i'm not sure why I would make that up, it's not like the PS2 needs any more white knights.

I'm just saying senpai, I know lots of people with PS2s, Almost all of them slim models, and all of them doing relatively fine after many years of abuse. If you say the thicc PS2 is better I might snatch if off my cousin's hands since I don't own any PS2's myself.

[Anonymous No.3712660]

>>3708918
:/ my ps2 can't read a lot discs anymore. It probably will read some PS1 games, but I recall black discs would usually fail in later years. (this is a playstation black disc!) More recently I tried to clean out the laser, took it apart entirely and cleaned all of the extra lenses inside and out with alcohol and put them all back together. As well as recalibrated the laser by painstakingly turning the gears one little click at a time til it was detecting the games I knew WOULD work vs the one I was trying to play (Xenosaga).

Anyway the end result was no success. I'll probably have to replace some parts entirely, which is a shame because the console has a lot of sentimental value for me.

[Anonymous No.3712665]

>>3710543
Not the same guy, but this is the first i've heard of this. Let me get this straight...

You buy an ide harddrive, include your ps1 ISOs and the popstarter files/bios whatever. And you can actually run the ISOs on the PS2 directly? I assume you must only be able to include one game at a time.

[Anonymous No.3712796]

>>3711216
It's somewhere in the repair section, I can't find the thread for the moment.
>>3712583
My PStwo died after three years since I bought it, while I did played a lot I was very careful how to use it and never abuse it.
Much of the technical forums are full of threads with several similar problems, when it comes to the slim models, too many problems to take care of, too much time and money consuming to do so.
The most common issue with the slim models is when they scratch or even destroy disks, more than a few games have been destroyed that way.

[Anonymous No.3712798]

I use my PS3. I have my PS2 hooked to my hdtv with an HDMI converter so 240p is a go-to.

[Anonymous No.3712802]

>>3712798
>go-to
No-go*

[Anonymous No.3712846]

>>3712796
Maybe I've never seen that happened because everyone I know also has a chip-mod in them and doesn't own a single legit PS2 game.

Hell, maybe those games fail because the PS2 fucks them up and not like I assumed, because they're cheaply made burned back-ups.

[Anonymous No.3712852]

>>3712846
That would make sense, because the laser is probably hitting the disc trying to read the thing.

[Anonymous No.3712864]

>>3712852
It's possible, if you are playing legit games it could be an issue, but if you were to play the games off a hard drive it doesn't matter much.

It also doesn't matter much when you are playing literally throw away burned games.

[Anonymous No.3713189]

>>3708930
>>3711231
B-but this isn't how the developers intended...

[Anonymous No.3713408]

>>3708978
>This is actually the best thing about playing any PS1 or PS2 games
> Any

Compatibility ;)

[Anonymous No.3713410]

Most authentic is usually the best option.

[Anonymous No.3713426]

>>3710779
>won't get a picture from PS1 games running on a PS2 hooked up like that, only audio

Not if your TV/HDTV can display 240p

Mine can ;)
> Samsung

[Anonymous No.3713550]

I only have PS2 Slim how i can play burned games?

[Anonymous No.3713575]

>>3710745
>>3710751
>>3710878
What? I've played literally every PS1 game I've ever played on my Slim I bought in 2007 and I've never had a problem with it. They were all burned CDs, too.

[Anonymous No.3713579]

>>3713550
Run ESR and it will boot your disc as a DVD movie to bypass protection. You have to patch your iso for ESR first. You need a way to run the ESR app though, and for most people they don't want to pay to pirate but I don't care and bought a Swap Magic 3 to cover all my soft modding needs. You can probably fuck with your tray sensor to avoid this.

[OP No.3713883]

>>3710441
What?

[OP No.3713887]

>>3710725
In terms of stock use, it's fine.

In terms of modifying, the original PS2 is better since you can install a hard drive to play backups. PS2 Slim can too with the USB ports but it's slow as hell since its USB 1.0

[OP No.3713889]

>>3710738
I hear the PSP puts out extremely well on the PSPGo. Plus you can connect a PS3 controller to it but you'd suffer from the input lag like the PS3 itself.

[OP No.3713890]

>>3711080
Look up tutorials dude, its pretty easy.

[OP No.3713892]

>>3711124
>RGB

I'm an American, I want my video output at its best, for the cheapest and without getting any fancy doodads

[OP No.3713896]

>>3713189
I'm sure its how they would've wanted it. If they didn't, then why even bother backwards compatibility?

[OP No.3713898]

>>3713550
FMCB

[Anonymous No.3713959]

>>3713892
S-Video for 5th gen, Component for 6th.

Varies by console for earlier generations

[Jay No.3713969]

>>3713579
you can just make a Free-McBoot memory card. it will play esr patched games. this is how i play pirated ps2 games.

[Anonymous No.3713973]

>>3713969
Yeah but how you even make a Free McBoot memory card is still the same situation.

[Anonymous No.3713986]

>>3713973
This. Playing pirated shit is easy if someone who has shared their tools with you. The problem 90% of people face is they have to either get a memory card with with a utility installed, or have the tools to copy a hard drive image. Most of the guides out there just assume you have a memory card with Free McBoot installed. If you don't, you're looking at having to get one off ebay.

Personally, I picked up an IDE hard drive, a network adapter, and a USB hard drive adapter, loaded a PS2 Fat Soft Mod image on to the drive, rip the game images straight from the discs I already own, and play from the HDD.

[Anonymous No.3713987]

>>3711121
That is not emulation. Alternate media reading methods =/= emulation.

[Anonymous No.3713990]

>>3711231
lol. No. For fucks sake no, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as Twin Snakes.

[Anonymous No.3713993]

>>3708918
>Thinking there is input lag on ps3
>no longer 2016
>will keep believing this into 2017

[Anonymous No.3713997]

>>3713987
If it's using POPS, it's emulation. It is Sony's own emulator. Invoking PS1 mode does not have access to USB, ethernet, or hard drive modules. If you play using those methods, you are fucking emulating them using Sony's emulator. If your game is being loaded and read by the PS2 laser, it is native. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.3714017]

>>3713987
You don't get how POPS works, do you?

[Anonymous No.3714110]

>>3713990
>Twin Snek
>good

[Anonymous No.3714308]

>>3713969
I bought SM just to boot the FMCB installer... but I also still use the Swap Magic discs sometimes because there's a few games that don't work with ESR.

[Anonymous No.3714518]

>>3710779
what's with all the retards saying things like "component cables don't work with PS1 games" and then add afterward "unless your TV supports 240p"
like no shit, stop blaming the cables, i even see this shit on wikipedia. bad displays do not mean it's a problem with the connection.

[Anonymous No.3714519]

>tfw broke my PS2 disc drive from using a shoddy homemade slide card and can't enjoy PS1 goodness anymore
>it makes angry grinding noises every time i turn it on to remind me of my failure
>even if it worked, the only CRT in my house with component got tossed and now i have an HDTV that can't do 240p over component
>my parappa save will go forever unloved

[Jay No.3716209]

>>3713973
I got a free mcboot card in the marketplace on http://www.theisozone.com/ for only $15. it contained the free mcboot card. a disk full of NES, SNES, and Genesis emulators and ESR patcher software disk and instructions on how to make more free mcboot cards. I since made a few for friends.
all you have to do is go to the website and ask for one and someone will sell it to you.

[Anonymous No.3717660]

>>3716209
You can get them cheaper on ebay.

[Anonymous No.3717743]

>>3716209
>>3717660

To be honest it's kind of blowing my mind this is what people do now - when ESR/HDLoader were first building steam you had to use an Action Replay or Xploder to copy the file across to the memory card. Realistically there can't be many left and they can't go for too cheap now, as that was nine years ago.

[Anonymous No.3717796]

PS2 with HDloader was so bad ass back in the day. I had a huge drive with so many games installed... good times. It's too bad my PS2 is at my parents house on the other side of the country. Need to get with this free mcboot card.

[Anonymous No.3718316]

>>3717660
I thought you can't sell them on ebay because of their anti-piracy policy. I looked for them on ebay and couldn't find any.

[Anonymous No.3718340]

>>3711069
>using component on a HDTV

[Anonymous No.3718350]

>>3718316
Free MC Boot cards are fine because they don't contain any pirated software.

A disc containing various ROMs is the opposite.

[Anonymous No.3718358]

>>3711069
>The TVs that have problems with 240p over component are usually LCDs or HD CRTs

My 2 Samsung LED HDTVs doesn't have that problem.

[Anonymous No.3718630]

Best way to play PAL and NTSC-J genuine (not backups!) PS1 games on an NTSC-U PS2 Slim?

[Anonymous No.3718803]

>>3713987
FMCB doesn't interact with the PS1 mode of the fat PS2 in any way. All it can do is emulate PS1 games on the PS2 side.

There's no way for FMCB to possibly force the PS2 to use its PS1 hardware to play PS1 games. Once it switches over to the PS1 mode it's completely running on internal PS1 hardware and has no knowledge of FMCB, USB ports, or hard drives.

If you want to play PS1 games from solid state media you'd need something like the PSIO or a mod that physically hijacks that data bus from the optical drive if anyone's even made one for the PS1/2.

[Anonymous No.3718809]

>>3714519
>slide card
What?

[Anonymous No.3718862]

>>3718809

[Anonymous No.3718953]

>>3718809

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSUVqEeHZ4

It's a little card thing that forcibly ejects the disc tray on the fat PS2 while tricking the system into thinking there's still a disc in the drive. It's for disc swapping shenanigans.