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3700424 No.3700424 [Reply] [Original]

Buddy got me Vagrant Story for the holiday which was super swell of him, never got to play it before.

what am I in for

>> No.3700440

confusion

>> No.3700446

>>3700424
The game has a real nice built in FAQ that explains a lot
I tend to keep a separate weapon for each enemy type but I don't mind the time it takes to switch weapons
If you can't seem to hurt a boss by wacking it with a weapon then try other means like chains and break arts

>> No.3700452

>>3700424
Reading the in-game manual first which you really should do.

Also to save you the confusion, when you scan an enemy you have to go to the status screen and press R1 to see their stats

>> No.3700451

Weapon customization and the localization you wish PSP Final Fantasy Tactics got.

Also wine.

>> No.3700480

You're in for a lot of hit-chaining. Once you get the timing down it's not too bad.

>> No.3700541

Been meaning to make a thread about this.

When I played the final boss, I could only ever do 1 damage to it, so I basically chained attacks over and over until I mistimed, prayed he didn't kill me, then re-attempt to build up a new chain of 1 damage attacks. Is that the only way to defeat him?

>> No.3700557

>>3700424
>what am I in for

A bit of frustration followed by a lot of fun once everything starts to fall into place. I recommend dropping the current play-through and starting over at that point.

Just use a map for the fucking forest.

>> No.3700559

>>3700541
Pretty much, he has ridiculous defenses across the board (especially on light and dark) so even doing single-digit damage is a big deal.

>> No.3700563

>>3700541
>>3700559
I just spammed break arts.

First time I got there I was Cursed, so Bloody Sin one shot me.

Vagrant Story is fun and a decent game, but it's pretty obtuse in its systems, even with it's insanely robust in game documentation.

>> No.3700571

>>3700559

Right, second only to Parasite Eve's running segment, Vagrant Story had one of the most confusing final bosses that sticks in my mind from JRPGs I've played. Whilst chaining him over and over I kept wondering "there has to be a better method I'm just not clever enough to pick up on."

(just looked up the bit from PE that I mentioned, here it is https://youtu.be/UwBOU-k1UAA?t=817 I had to do the entire thing a few times because the stupid thing caught me.)

>> No.3700573

>>3700571
>go for the save point
>die
That really pissed me off. PE is a fun game but if you built wrong (which you probably did the first time) it really sucks and you take forever to kill the final boss.

Build right? The game's a breeze.

>> No.3700760

>>3700480

yeah that's giving the headache now. I can do my attacks FAIRLY reliably but getting the defense timing down is harsh

especially since I can't always remember what I put on what button

>> No.3700761

>>3700541
It's possible to build a weapon and gear yourself with only guaranteed drops to deal more than 1 damage at that point, even more if you're willing to do training dummies grinding.

>> No.3700940

Man I am not getting weapon crafting at all

I disassembled all the weapons I got and may have fucked myself. How does combing work?

>> No.3701000

>>3700940
Usually two of the same item type in close tiers raise the final product a tier and a lot of other combinations drop it which might be potentially useful in certain circumstances.

But really it's just "Look up Charts"

>> No.3701009

>>3700573
it's fucking hilarious actually, because it's idiotic to think you'd have time for a save point right then, of course it's gonna kill you

>> No.3701057

Most people don't understand how to play the game. They do things like let their risk max out by using chain combos, then wonder why they do 1 damage and get hit by all the status effects and instant death spells.

You shouldn't do long chains unless you understand how to get 30+ links, if you can't then anything over 6 or 7 chains is going to give exponentially lesser gains for more risk cost, you won't be able to clear the risk with just one or two vera bulbs. If you play the game and keep fighting with any amount of risk more than ZERO then you're doing it wrong.

You're also doing it wrong if you choose your weapons or grind them based on monster species, because the vast majority of your damage is going to be decided by element and attribute. So having the highest pierce value possible, then using a Pierce break art, or having the highest water element, and using spells to raise element and lower resistance, then using a water break art, that's how you actually do the most damage. The game screen will even explicitly tell you this when you target a body part, and it says "PIERCE/NONE" that means your weapon is using the Pierce and Non-Elemental attributes to do the most damage regardless of the other elements or Slash/Blunt, so if you switch to a weapon with higher pierce you'll do more damage.

You can use gems and magic to raise one element so high that it's always the active damage element and will grin no matter what you're fighting, you can finish the game with one element over 50 without seriously grinding, and if you raise that with gems and use resistance magic, you can even use your wind weapon to kill the wind elemental, just so long as the difference between your element and theirs is high enough.

>> No.3701303

>>3700424
Frustration and confusion.
If you stick with it you'll find it's one of the greatest and most unique JRPG's in existence and you will fucking cry that there will never be anything like it ever again.

http://beforeiplay.com/index.php?title=Vagrant_Story

>> No.3701305

>>3701303
>Frustration and confusion.
Never felt either of these playing this game even once.

>> No.3701376

>>3700424
Excellence back when Square was at the top of their game.

>> No.3701508

>>3701376
truly, it was all downhill from there

>> No.3701534

>>3700424
great story, comfy atmosphere, in-depth crafting system, 10/10 music, interesting puzzles, challenging combats.

Pretty much all the good stuff you'd expect from a great RPG.

My advice is take lots of vera roots and vera bulbs to reduce you risk during combat. you want low risk at all times, otherwise you just miss all the time.

>> No.3701632

you can break the game early by spamming gain life and gain magic on the first dummy and learning all chain abilities (like raging ache and phantom pain)
also, type and affinity > everything

>> No.3701893
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3701893

>>3700424
>what am I in for
Matsuno's greatest work.
Also heretics, butts, raging ache and reinforcements.

>> No.3701901

>>3700424
>what am I in for
For a rhythm game.

>> No.3702310

well after 4 hours it's still giving me some headaches but I really like the atmosphere and always appreciate a game that tries to be unique in a real way

I wonder if Square will ever have such a unique phase again

>> No.3702325

>>3702310
no, never. new companies. new methods. new ideas.

>> No.3702729

>>3700440
fpbp

>> No.3703189

Okay so I think Im getting the hang of the whole blunt, edge, pierce thing but help me figure out the affinity numbers.

I want plus on my weapons and negatives on my armor? Am I figuring that right or do I want pluses across the board.

>> No.3703448

>>3703189
>negatives on my armor?
Why would you even begin to think that?
Of course you want pluses on your armors too.

>> No.3703468

>>3701901
it's actually not a rhythm game.

>> No.3704329

Wine and great asses. You'll probably need a walkthrough at some point. Just know that stat-raising potions give you a random stat boost between 1 and 5, so you'll want to savescum potions until you get the roll you want. And open every chest. Aside from that it's tough to permanently fuck yourself over.

>> No.3704338

>>3703189
Plusses across the board.

>>3703448
It would make sense to think "High affinity = higher damage thus it's reversed for armor"

>> No.3704506

>>3704338
>It would make sense to think "High affinity = higher damage thus it's reversed for armor"
I don't think it does really, if you get an armor with negative affinity it actually makes more sense that it's weaker against said affinity, armors are meant to defend shit, if they have negative values it means they don't defend against certain things, likewise if a weapon has negative values against dragons it means it doesn't damage dragons well.

>> No.3704543

>>3704329
>tfw I just saved my wine the whole game cause your waifu tells you to save it for her share later
still destroyed everything this game is pretty easy

>> No.3704564

>>3704506
>>3704338

Well my thinking was that if pluses add damage then minus take away damage. Like -5 water means water does 5 less damage

>> No.3704570

>>3704564
Can you name a single game where a piece of defensive equipment is more effective with greater minuses without explicit wording like "reduces fire damage by 5 points" somewhere in the description?

>> No.3704690

>>3704570

can you name me another game like Vagrant Story? Being traditional is clearly the furthest thing on this games agenda

>> No.3704720

>>3704690
There are none. It's the same as Ogre Battle or Gunstar Heroes or Another World. There may be similar games, or there may be imitators, or there may be other games by those guys, but none of them are going to be like this one.

>> No.3705341

>>3704720

really the closest approximation Ive played was Parasite Eve and even that is worlds apart in near every regard

>> No.3705349

>>3704570
I recall some dungeon crawlers and tabletop games pretty much saying "+/-5 to received damage" and with this being a dungeon crawler in its own right, it makes sense to interpret it as a damage modifier.

>> No.3705356

>>3704690
The only thing "similar" to Vagrant Story is the Brandish series, and even then it's only vaguely similar in a few regards. Vagrant Story is a unique game in mostly everything, it's one of those games that did its own thing.

Shame we'll never see the whole story, and game, Matsuno planned, you were actually supposed to play for a good part outside of Lea Monde too, I don't care too much for the scrapped partner characters like Merlose or Tieger and Neesa, but I would have loved to play that supposed part of the game after you wrap it up in Lea Monde and travel back to the Graylands.

>> No.3705591

>>3705356
Considering that Ashley has the power of all monsters or something at that point, it would have probably been a lot like Ogre Battle.

>> No.3706706

>>3701303
>If you stick with it you'll find it's one of the greatest and most unique JRPG's in existence and you will fucking cry that there will never be anything like it ever again.

Fuck you for knowing how I feel

>> No.3706718

>>3705356
>Shame we'll never see the whole story, and game, Matsuno planned

This

People are asking for a vagrant story HD remake but I'd rather keep the gorgeous low poly graphics and get a rerelease with all the missing content

Shame we'll never get the old team back together. Even if you somehow got Matsuno, Yoshida and Sakimoto on board square has just changed too much to ever put out something like this

>> No.3706747
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3706747

Yoshida and Matsuno are my BROTP when it comes to game design and art direction.

Seriously, all their games are atmospheric and comfy as fuck to me.

Wish Unsung Story wasn't basically cancelled.

Also OP you're in for greatness.

>> No.3707136

Man I really enjoyed the Ivalice setting before they gayed it up for the Advance games

>> No.3707138

>>3700557
The forest is easy. Kill all enemies and go in the direction the snowflies go.

>> No.3707181

>>3707136
>gayed it up

Can't get gayer than assless pants.

>> No.3707691

>>3707136
>>3707181
If anything the problem is that they became less gay and more sexually sterile.

>> No.3707697

>>3707136
Vagrant Story is the non-canon extended universe of Ivalice though.

>> No.3707739

>>3707138
Thanks, I never knew this.

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3708565

>>3707181

>> No.3708570

>>3708565
can you actually point out the gay in words?

>> No.3708638

>>3708565
This isn't really that gay looking, just extremely over-designed. It breaks almost every rule of good character design, his silhouette would look like a fucking continent on a map.

>> No.3708665

>>3708570
high heels

>> No.3708757

>>3708665

the lady bug and clover pin aren't doing him any favors. And well, not many guys can pull off a beret.

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3708813

>>3708665
>>3708757
are you trying to tell me you think that this looks like the face of a homosexual man

>> No.3708838

>>3708813

Gee I dunno, Scott Lang you tell me

>> No.3708852

>>3708838
>Scott Lang
who?

>> No.3708945
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3708945

>>3708852

Ant Man

>> No.3708951

>>3708945
I don't really like superhero movies

>> No.3709335

>>3706718
And don't forget:
>Even though Matsuno, Yoshida and Sakamoto are still together they're making a RTS for cellphones

>> No.3709669

>>3709335
nice

>> No.3710110

>>3709335

Wow that's really ..

>cellphones

fuck

>> No.3710114

>>3710110
it sounds realistic desu and I wouldn't mind having an ogre battle on cellphone