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This collection pisses me off. It's so lazy and half assed. It could have been GREAT. They could have rebuilt all the games using MM9's engine. Instead it's just lazy emulation. A god damn NES emulator and roms and it's only the first six games. It's not even the entire classic series. That you pay 20 dollars for. They could have even done something neat like rebuild MM7-8 in the MM9 engine and include both versions of the games.

>> No.3692918

>>3692917

Oh does MM3 have slowdown in it? If they're doing emulation at least tell me they removed sprite fliker and overclocked the CPU.

Because the PS/PS2/NGC ports have zero slowdown.

>> No.3692924

>>3692917
>buy 3DS version
>it's not in 3D
my fault but it won't stop me from sending hate mail to Capcom

also it turns out that apparently I don't even like these games

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>>3692924

>on /vr/
>doesn't love Mega Man

>> No.3692929
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>>3692924

>on /vr/
>doesn't love mega man

>> No.3692930

>>3692924
They're retro games, was you really expecting 3D? Where? How? No need for it.
Also
>Not liking NES Megaman
Yeah, it's your fault, but for having shit taste.

>> No.3692973

>1-6
>All rebuilt in MM9 engine
>16:9 (true widescreen)
>Optional arranged score by anamanaguchi
>true saving instead of passwords
>Second collection includes 7-10 including MM&B with the same treatment
>MM7, MM8, MM&B given optional Famicom rebuilt treatment

What could have been...

>> No.3692987 [DELETED] 

>>3692917
yeah... it's disappointing. it would have sold pretty much the same though with the mm9 engine remaking wouldn't it? companies will max profits I'm afraid.

>> No.3692994

>>3692918
It does have slowdown. Honestly I prefer that they emulated that. It makes it feel genuine.

>> No.3693001 [DELETED] 

>>3692918
>does MM3 have slowdown
yup
>tell me they removed sprite fliker
they didn't
>and overclocked the CPU
they didn't

lmao

>> No.3693002

>>3692994

Fuck off. It's only because the original programmer wasn't on the game. It's totally uneeded. If he was there MM3 would have zero slowdown.

>> No.3693006

>>3693001

>It's worse than emulation and worse than the previous collections

FUCKING WHY

>> No.3693007

>>3692930
Not him, but maybe like they did for Kirby's Adventure on the 3DS VC?

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>>3693002
>implying all the other games didn't have slowdown at one point or another.

>> No.3693017 [DELETED] 

>>3692917
you guys wouldn't care about this stuff if you got laid desu

>> No.3693019

>>3692930
we have a slew of NES/genesis titles with enhanced 3d along with slowdown removal
there's really no reason you couldn't do it

>> No.3693152

>>3693006
Pretty sure they were trying to be authentic to how it actually runs on an NES. I'm glad they kept everything as is, the challenges are enough extra content IMO.

>> No.3693350

>>3692917
It's actually not lazy, from a programming perspective. The developers re-compiled the games into C so they could avoid Nintendo copyright and add in extras like the challenge mode. It's a clever way of getting old games to run on modern platforms. It also includes the Collected Works content. I do wish they added an option to remove slowdown/sprite flicker. I own the series in multiple ways so I have no interest in the game, but as far as retro compilations go this gen, it's probably second best after Rare Replay. Also this game wasn't Capcom's creation, Iron Galaxy approached them with the idea and a build.

>> No.3693353

>>3692917
6 good games for only 20 bucks? what kind of manbaby would complain about this?

>> No.3693363

Why would they do all of that when they could just port them as is? Capcom doesn't care about Mega Man, they will never put serious work into another Mega Man project ever again. They sure love rereleasing the classic series every once in a while for some extra cash though.

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3693365

Tell me about it. I had to refund it on Steam because it won't work properly on a 4:3 monitor.

>> No.3693697

I just wish you could rip the roms from the game fileds and emulate them.

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>>3693353
> only 20 bucks
> only

>> No.3693737

I'd get it, if it included color versions of the GB games.

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3693752

We fucking had this 12 years ago. It had games 1-8, Power Battle and Power Fighters. There's no fucking excuse for shitting out a collection with only games 1-6. At least put 9 and 10 FFS.

>> No.3693754

>>3693752
Also I'm still mad we didn't get the GBA version of the collection (containing the 5 GB games).

>> No.3693834

>>3693754
Fucking this
I kept up with release dates and discussion on that game for a long ass time just waiting to see it, then it just dissappears, we never had an NES but I had Megaman III on GB and played it to death, so I was hyped up to see the old GB games get a chance

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3693836

...the point was to use the original games, friend. Not remake them

>> No.3693851

>>3692917
what do you expect? frank cifaldi worked on it, of course it was lazy and half assed.

>> No.3693882

>>3693152

Oh fuck off with your "authenticy". I don't want to blow on cartridges anymore. The slowdown is entirely a technical limitation they didn't want. There's no reason to keep it.

>> No.3693906

>>3693754
>>3693834

On the bright side, the gb megaman games are on the 3DS eShop.
The A button being Jump and B button being Fire on the 3DS takes a bit of getting used to though. You can't change it either.

>> No.3693912

>>3693906
Homebrew fixes that. I have a pretty big GB library on my 3DS

>> No.3693958

>>3693350
Are the new challenge rooms any good? Worth getting it for?

>> No.3693987

>>3692917
>They could have even done something neat like rebuild MM7-8 in the MM9 engine and include both versions of the games.

You can play that shit now for free already if you want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2dBJlKZzts

https://youtu.be/7hP4I_u0_m8

>> No.3694064

>>3693987

I know that demakes exist. But those are Windows programs and probably not portable. Capcom could make their own in MM9's more flexible engine.

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>>3692929
>On vr
>Isn't Mega Man

>> No.3694112

>>3693017
and you would care about this stuff if you didn't get leaid

>> No.3694243

I bought the collector's edition just for the golden amiibo.

>> No.3694314

>>3692973
>expecting effort from Crapcom

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>>3692917
>It could have been GREAT.
You know what really takes a piss? The fucking challenges. They had one glimmer of potential for this collection to separate itself from the previous collection. And what do we get... some random strings of different game segments (i.e. emulator save states)thrown together by a dev over a weekend. I remember going through the same segments like half a dozen times throughout the challenge list. And there was no variety either. Just "do x as quick as possible". God dammit.

>> No.3694367

>>3693350
Ha ha ha, dude!

Its an emulator with a custom front end!

>> No.3694389

>>3692917
If that pissess you off get Pac-Man Museum and the SEGA Genesis classics on Steam.

The very same Genesis collection had online on consoles, but not on PC. They also never ported the widescreen remake of Sonic 1 to anything other than mobile.

>> No.3694402

>>3694389
IMO the only good retro-ports I've seen so far are the Namco Arcade classics and Atari Vault.

The former are the best IMO, Atari Vault is pretty fantastic but it has minor issues like not allowing windowed mode without some fucking around, and having an intro that's far too long.

And honestly I wish every single retro-game re-release would allow me to have all the games listed individually on my Steam library so I could launch them directly, SNK did a relatively good job with theirs. All of these include online functions and some improvements. But the SNK ones are retarded expensive desu.

>> No.3694495

>>3692994
I second this motion.

I've been using Higan to emulate, and I assume that every frame rate drop is an emulated frame rate drop.
Really need to try out Contra to see how true this is. By far one of the worst games for sprite flicker.

>> No.3694506

>>3694402
Boi you missed the neo geo humble bundle, for $10 you could get KOF98UM, 2002UM, Mslug 12X3, Garou, Star trooper, Twinkle something, and maybe one more Im forgetting

>> No.3694525

>>3694506
I was out of a job around that time ;_;

I don't mind giving some shekels to a job well done tho.

>> No.3694536

>>3694402
The recent Namco Arcade Classics that are 900MB per game and are done hastily in Unity? I prefer the 360 Namco Museum game that included all their XBLA releases last gen.

>> No.3694539

>>3694536
They never released those on PC tho.

And yeah They're heavy as shit, but they run pretty well, they have a lot of options and they're separated in my library. Didn't said they were perfect, but they're pretty good.

>> No.3694542

>>3693752

Didn't all of the games on Mega Man Anniversary Collection have crippling input lag and sound/graphics glitches unless you had the Xbox version?

>> No.3694561

I would have loved PC versions of 9 and 10. They sold millions, there is no excuse.

>>3694326
Good to know it's worth buying it for then. That was the only thing that got me remotely interested in this.

>> No.3694574

>>3693350

Look at me not give a shit. It's the exact same result as simple emulation.

>Also this game wasn't Capcom's creation, Iron Galaxy approached them with the idea and a build.

Capcom okayed it, and went along with it.

>> No.3694606

>>3694574
Porting and manipulating the games in C to create additional modes/features is way easier than playing around with Assembly code. They could have done more with the technology, sure, but I find it hard to complain about a solid collection of games for $15, or $7.50 right now. Anniversary Collection a few gens ago did have more games, but also launched a higher price ($30, higher now with inflation) with inaccurate emulation.

>> No.3694631

>>3694542
I think it's only the Gamecube version that's crappy like that. I have the PS2 version and it's generally solid with one exception; MM7 is unbeatable because on that giant skull boss before Wily the poor PS2 can't seem to handle all that crap on the screen. The game starts to chop the hell up and you're dead in no time.

>> No.3694938

>>3693019

Those Genesis 3D games are pretty good.

>> No.3695041

>>3692917
>tfw can't even beat a single boss

>> No.3695115 [DELETED] 

>>3695041
beat megaman 3 when I was 8 lmao

>> No.3695126

>>3692994
Why though? You have plenty of options otherwise to experience that.

>> No.3695129

>>3695126
Because I have plenty of opportunity for fast fun with your wife. I gotta take it slow somewhere.

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>>3695129
AW SHIT

>> No.3695524

>>3693958
There's nothing "new" about them, challenges are just random level segments taken as is from the main games and strung together.

The boss rushes are kinda cool (if I'm not mistaken, last challenge is a full boss rush from all 6 games) and there's your usual medal system to rank you depending on your overall time, but if you were expecting something cool like fighting MM5 enemies in MM3 with MM2 weapons, then yeah, it's nothing like that.

>> No.3695586

>>3692930
SEGA launched a buch o Mega Drive classics on 3DS with 3D effects. And they managed to do it while still running the games inside an emulator.

>> No.3695602 [DELETED] 

>>3695586
Shinobi 3 3D is great :)

>> No.3695604

>>3692994
If you're going to re-release a game then you might as well improve it.
It's literally emulation and it's not even completely accurate despite what they claim. It's just an excuse to be lazy.

>> No.3695605

>>3694606
They're not ports at all. It's fucking emulation.
The challenges and shit are fucking Lua scripts that use save states.

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Despite technical complaints I think it's a pretty solid collection. I have it on the 3ds and I'm just glad I have a cart alternative to buying the original 6 NES carts because shit's expensive. If there isn't anything horrible or game breaking about it I can pass it off as a simple re-release. I haven't come across anything differing from the NES games yet. If there's slowdown in some specific area I don't give enough of a fuck.

>> No.3698021

>>3694402
>IMO the only good retro-ports I've seen so far are the Namco Arcade classics and Atari Vault.
I'm guessing you haven't paid much attention to the 3DS?
M2's 3D Sega ports are incredible. Literally the only flaw is that all this extra content and shit will be forever locked on a console with a shitty circle pad with a tiny fucking range.
The 3D effect is amazing though. The arcade versions of Space Harrier, After Burner II or Outrun are intense enough as it is, the 3D effect makes it twice as crazy.

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>>3698021
Shit, I forgot my picture.

>> No.3699219

>>3692917
THIS is what the Megaman Collection could have been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6KMAm_228s

>> No.3699235

>>3698021
I know I'm alone here but I honestly prefer the 3D effect in side scrollers and find it a little distracting in the super scalar games. Twinbee looks surprisingly nice.

>> No.3699247

>>3699219
snek should be cylinder

>> No.3699259

>>3699235
I can see where you're coming from.
I personally enjoy the 3D effect in super scaler games as it helps me judge the distance of approaching objects much easier.

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>>3692973
>no shitty password system
>game saves after you beat robot master

>> No.3699508

>>3698021
Never checked them out, my 3DS cart slot is fucked and my 2GB SD card doesn't allow me to get many digital games in it.

Also I always tough they were just shitty ports.

>> No.3699530

>check commander keen collection on steam
>has parts 1-5
>no part 6
>keen dreams is sold separately
wtf?