/stg/ - Retro Shmups General

[Anonymous No.3689367]

Hello and welcome to Retro Shmups General, for all matters related to classic 2D scrolling shooters.

Discuss your…
>favorite shmups
>recent acquisitions
>latest accomplishments

Previous thread:
>>3377091
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Current happenings:
M2 has released Battle Garegga rev.2016 exclusively for PS4.
http://www.play-asia.com/battle-garegga-rev2016-premium-edition/13/70aj2z

Trizeal Remix and Exzeal are available now for computers.
http://www.gamingcypher.com/trizeal-remix-now-available-steam-exzeal-arrives-july-14/

You can now play Konami's unreleased STG, Dive Bomber Squad, in MAME.
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Number=354912

Taito opens up a Darius-themed aquarium.
https://www.taito.co.jp/20160401
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Miscellaneous:
New to the genre of shmups? Read "Full Extent of the Jam".
https://www.uploady.com/#!/download/9t48Idu136P/JquqhdRgzcbzmZPz

Shmup Collection containing over 9000 MAME romsets.
https://www.mediafire.com/?48812jiax8m1c#nz0227tzb9zor

Decide the greatest shmup developer of all time here.
http://strawpoll.me/4496713

For a real-time chatroom, check out the shmups discord.
https://discord.me/shmups

List of the hardest clears, ranked in order of difficulty.
http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7

Play Twinkle Star Sprites online with fellow shmup fans.
https://www.fightcade.com/game/twinspri

Livestream aggregator for when you wanna watch some shmups.
http://stgrillz.appspot.com

Highscore tables for several shmups. Post your own!
http://www.restartsyndrome.com/boardlist.php

[Anonymous No.3689376]

>>3689367
Soldier Blade, Galaga 88 and Air Zonk are my favorite PC Engine shooters

[Anonymous No.3689378]

should be called Ikaruga general, nothing else is wort playing

[Anonymous No.3689404]

>>3689378
What do Ikaruga fans think of Treasure's other STGs?

[Anonymous No.3689478]

>>3689404
Gradius V is ok but feels it's hamstrung by its adherence to franchise/genre conventions as opposed to Ikaruga, a fearlessly original game that invented its own genre.

[Anonymous No.3689489]

I don't think it's fair to call Ikaruga a "game", it's more of a lifetime experience.

[Anonymous No.3689758]

>>3689478
How is Ikaruga more innovative than its predecessor, RSG?

[Anonymous No.3689981]

>>3689367
cave owns bitch

[Anonymous No.3690892]

[Anonymous No.3691038]

someone sell me a cab in usa

[Anonymous No.3691040]

>>3690892
Your kind is not welcome here.

[Anonymous No.3691432]

>>3691040
but touhou 1~5 are retro!

[Anonymous No.3691434]

>>3691040
There's literally nothing wrong with 2hu

t:Psikyo fag

[Anonymous No.3691504]

>>3691434
Touhou is the Undertale of shmups.

[Anonymous No.3691518]

>>3691504

Come on really?

[Anonymous No.3691729]

>>3689376
Try out Gates of Thunder, it's the GOAT PCE shump.

[Anonymous No.3691738]

For anyone who follows arcade game emulation:

The MCUs (Microcontroller Units) for Vimana, Fire Shark and Teki Paki (all of them shmups) have finally been dumped. This means that these arcade games will now have sound and music in Mame.

[Anonymous No.3691782]

>>3691738
Sugoi desu ne.

[Anonymous No.3691802]

>>3691782

It certainly is. These games' sound and music have not been emulated for over 20+ YEARS in Mame.

[Anonymous No.3692057]

>>3691738
and then MAME will receive an update and it'll take like 2 years to get a working dump again

[Anonymous No.3692062]

>>3689376
>>3691729
Nexzr is one of the best PCE-CD shooting games.

>>3691738
Good to hear, but it's been possible to play those games with sound using samples for a while now, using a specific version of MAME.

Also, Teki Paki is a falling block puzzle game.

[Anonymous No.3693073]

>>3692057

Then you're grossly ignorant. The game has worked for years. It just never had any sound.

[Anonymous No.3693076]

>>3692062

But now you won't have to use alternative versions of Mame in order to do so.

[Anonymous No.3693081]

>>3692062

My mistake. I forgot Teki Paki was a puzzle game. Doh.

[Anonymous No.3693101]

>>3693073
yeah and raiden II had a dump available for YEARS and when it actually finally worked in MAME, you had to wait like 2 more months so they could redump roms

[Anonymous No.3693106]

Garegga bullets made me stronger.

[Anonymous No.3693210]

the music is so fucking good, but i don't like this game
https://youtu.be/RCL2TiQEWG8

[Anonymous No.3693467]

>>3693106
>tfw can only play the Garegga version with orange bullets

[Anonymous No.3695749]

>>3693101
Raiden II/DX are such fine games I should clear them one day thanks for reminding me.

Though remember guys the Ps1 Raiden DX is a standalone game it's not a port of the arcade version.

[Anonymous No.3696327]

>>3695749
Why are Raiden games so dull?

They're like Toaplan without the charm.

[Anonymous No.3696439]

>>3696327
honestly for being such a blatant Kyuukyoku Tiger clone, Raiden is a better-designed game. It has actual bosses, for one!

[Anonymous No.3696447]

>>3696439
Raiden set the standard when it comes to vertical scrolling shooters. It was also the end of the whole space sci fi wanking the genre had going for it in the 80s. Popularizing the military themed ones

[Anonymous No.3696625]

>>3696327

Respectfully disagree, and I love Toaplan. Raiden is one of the few instances where the imitator surpasses the original simply due to having MUCH tighter pacing and checkpoint BS taken out in exchange for more intense enemy patterns. It's everything that made Toaplan great but with none of the drawbacks.

[Anonymous No.3696685]

[Anonymous No.3696689]

>>3696685
Mahou Daisakusen,Soukyugurentai,Great Mahou Daisakusen and Brave Blade were all designed by a former COMPILE employee that joined Raizing

[Anonymous No.3696690]

I still can't 1cc dodonpachi, any tips?

[Anonymous No.3696693]

>>3696690

Try harder

[Anonymous No.3696704]

>>3693101

So what's the point of your statement? Romsets continually change in Mame to reflect proper emulation of the games in question.

Raiden II was not playable because the protection was not emulated. It took the guy who was researching the protection years to finally crack it. These things take time, man.

The Toaplan shooters worked fine, except for their sound and music not being emulated due to one chip.

[Anonymous No.3696705]

>>3696447

The final 3 levels TAKE PLACE IN SPACE!

How can you say it was the end of sci fi wanking in the genre?

[Anonymous No.3696732]

>>3696705
Meant more the end of the whole "space exploration HR Giger design influence". Bosses stopped being mutant freak shows for the most part(exception Strikers 1945 II final boss).

Oh and after the release of Raiden developers started producing less horizontal ones too. Most of the shooters after 1994 were vertical Military themed and fantasy

[Anonymous No.3696741]

I trying complete super mania difficulty, still no progress.

[Anonymous No.3696750]

recommend me some shmups with a store feature where you can buy upgrades and stuff.

[Anonymous No.3696752]

>>3696439
>It has actual bosses, for one!
The fuck are you smoking? Twin Cobra has pretty distinguishable bosses.

>>3696447
>Raiden set the standard when it comes to vertical scrolling shooters. Popularizing the military themed ones
t. kiddo that never played a toaplan game

>>3696625
>MUCH tighter pacing
debatable
>Checkpoint BS taken out
That's only on the western version just like the Toaplan games, Raiden was just a Toaplan imitator. Hell even the lower rank as Player 2 was taken out from Fire Shark

[Anonymous No.3696754]

>>3696689
That's cool, it's quite noticeable in Mahou Daisakusen since it plays like an Arcade compile game, not a big fan of dimahoo tho

[Anonymous No.3696760]

>>3696752

Popularized does not mean inherently invented it you clown. Yes, Raiden marks the start of the dominance of the vertical and military themed shooters which later came to dominate the genre.

[Anonymous No.3696768]

Need help finding a shump.

All that I remember is that it was at Retro Convention in Wallingford, CT and it was on a machine along Magician Lord.

[Anonymous No.3696771]

>>3696760
Toaplan didn't invent military shooters either you retarded fuck, but they sure as fuck popularized it along with 1942 series.
Hell Raiden wasn't even a complete militaristic shooter, the appeal of it was that it was half militaristic, half space.

[Anonymous No.3696776]

>>3696771

I didn't say TOAPLAN invented it either you dingus.

>Raiden marks the start of the dominance of the vertical and military themed shooters which later came to dominate the genre.

[Anonymous No.3696782]

>>3696776
Do you think repeating the same wrong statement will make it somehow true? Toaplan popularized military shooters retard, Raiden wasn't even a complete military shooter.

[Anonymous No.3696816]

>>3696752

The only Toaplan games I can think of that move at a brisk pace are Batsugun and OutZone. To the contrary, shit like Vimana, Truxton II and Zero Wing are some of the most glacial STGs I've ever played.

Also, instant re-spawn has stuck with Raiden since the second game onward. The original the only exception. And if we're speaking only about the original, I do agree that it is somewhat lackluster. But the sequels are huge improvements.

[Anonymous No.3696821]

>>3696782
Raiden started the jet meme stg

[Anonymous No.3696840]

>>3696771
>>3696782

He's not completely wrong you know.


当時いわゆる「大作主義」が主流だったシューティングゲームの中にあり、本作は極めてシンプルで、異彩を放っていた。これがユーザーに好評を以て受け入れられ、最終的には全世界累計で2万枚以上を売り上げるなどアーケード基板としては大ヒット作となった[2]。

本作のゲームシステムは、『究極タイガー』(1987年)を始めとする東亜プランの縦スクロールシューティングを踏襲したものである。これは、『究極タイガー』の海外版である『TWIN COBRA』等を制作時に参考資料にしていることが理由である。それまではこのような作品は、ゲーマーの間では「東亜系」と呼ばれていたが、東亜プランのシューティングゲームが方向転換しつつあったこともあり、本シリーズがヒットしてからは「雷電系」と呼ばれることが多くなり、同ジャンルのデファクトスタンダードに置き換わった様子も見られた。

[Anonymous No.3696843]

>>3696816
>The only Toaplan games I can think of that move at a brisk pace are Batsugun and OutZone.
>Never played Hishouzame,Twin Cobra, Same Same Same, V-Five, Truxton, Dogyuun.
I feel pity for you.

>Also, instant re-spawn has stuck with Raiden since the second game onward.
Raiden II JP has checkpoints as player 2. Also git gut, checkpoints are totally fair in most Toaplan games, they aren't like R-Type II where recovering is near impossible.

[Anonymous No.3696853]

>>3696843

Speaking of checkpoints Raiden 1 revised board lacks them.

Then there's the Raiden II & DX NEW Version, shit absolute garbage sound revision.

[Anonymous No.3696860]

>>3696750
Not exactly upgrades but in Strike Gunner S.T.G. on SNES has a different subweapon you can take in each stage.

[Anonymous No.3696861]

>>3696853
>Speaking of checkpoints Raiden 1 revised board lacks them.
Just the western release, they copied Toaplan shooters in that too, JP version has checkpoints while the western version removes them.

And yeah Raiden II new is pretty shit, they were like licensed bootlegs or some weird shit like that

[Anonymous No.3696878]

>>3696861

The audio in the NEW Version board should not even be considered music. I have never heard anything like it,

For example there is only 1 stage song for all of them and it's all muffled as fuck including the boss theme.


But in the end the fact that such a hack tier piece of shit was even produced is somewhat of a testament to how much of a smash hit it really was.

[Anonymous No.3696901]

NOW THIS IS QUALITY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vPmMdFxzc

I guess the logic was, not like anybody will hear how bad it is because mono sound coming out of arcade cabs.

[Anonymous No.3696907]

>>3696853
>Then there's the Raiden II & DX NEW Version, shit absolute garbage sound revision.
i still don't get the point of those

did seibu just bootleg their own games or something

[Anonymous No.3696941]

It's pretty dank when a clone gets cloned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwDqAlcckbo

[Anonymous No.3696947]

>>3696941
Mad Shark is legit, one of the few Allumer games that isn't a pain to play

[Anonymous No.3696950]

>>3696947

Nah dude Rezon was pure perfection

[Anonymous No.3696969]

Scare the shit out of me really.

[Anonymous No.3697102]

>>3696843
>Twin Cobra, Same Same Same, Dogyuun.
>10 stages
>40 minutes total playtime

Nigga, that is not brisk pacing. Those things are a bloody marathon to get through and you know it. The fact that the stages themselves are divided up neatly doesn't change that.

>Also git gut, checkpoints are totally fair in most Toaplan games, they aren't like R-Type II where recovering is near impossible.

A-At least R-Type games always leave you with a super powerful charge shot to help you fight your way out of nasty checkpoints...

[Anonymous No.3697159]

>>3697102
Just because they are 40 minutes long don't make them any slower paced, they are frantic games from beginning to end. I'll give you that Truxton 2 has pacing issues, but the others are just fine.


>A-At least R-Type games always leave you with a super powerful charge shot to help you fight your way out of nasty checkpoints...
And you have bombs in Toaplan games which help a lot more.

[Anonymous No.3697416]

>>3696685
solid console shmup, but i don't get all the wank.

[Anonymous No.3697451]

>>3696690
i haven't played dodonpachi yet, but it looks more or less like an improved donpachi, so hopefuly these will help.
use type C, it's great for newbies. practice, practice, practice. don't get discouraged if you can't no-miss later stages even during practice, i can't no-miss stage 4 and barely know stage 5, but still got 1-all. oh and hold F2 to get into settings and turn on the auto-fire, it's a must with type C and everyone uses auto in cave games anyway.
>>3696750
forgotten worlds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuRszP1RSns

[Anonymous No.3697858]

>>3689367
This is pretty much the only shmup I like. Played it a lot as a kid

Is it considered good?

[Anonymous No.3697873]

>>3697858
30 fps yuck

[Anonymous No.3698290]

>>3697858
It's the worst R-Type until Final, so...

[Anonymous No.3698293]

>>3698290
IMO it's the second best after the first one. Maybe even the best. I've only played the NTSC version though.

[Anonymous No.3698302]

>>3696690
>I still can't 1cc dodonpachi, any tips?
I still can't 1cc any shmup so fuck everything I'm going back to platformers

[Anonymous No.3698304]

>>3698293
I&II are the GOAT. Leo is good, but a bit too casual. 3 would've been great if it weren't bottlenecked by shitty SNES hardware.

[Anonymous No.3698315]

>>3698302
try batsugun special and console exclusive shmups like musha.

[Anonymous No.3699076]

Find a flaw.

[Anonymous No.3699085]

>>3699076
free range

it's also arguably the worst looking 32-bit era 3D shmup

[Anonymous No.3699106]

>>3699085
>free range
>had to use OP shot to clear it
skrub

>it's also arguably the worst looking 32-bit era 3D shmup
that title goes to gradius 4

[Anonymous No.3699114]

>>3699106
gradius iv is only halfway 3D

[Anonymous No.3699139]

>>3699076
Not the PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.3699212]

>>3699139
>playing the version with the inferior graphics and music

kek, fucking Sony poorfags

[Anonymous No.3699217]

>>3699212
>playing with slowdown and less content

Saturncucks, everyone

[Anonymous No.3699240]

>>3699217
>slowdown
Saturn version has almost no slowdown.

>less content
Nobody cares about CG image galleries.

Enjoy your sloppy seconds, sonygger.

[Anonymous No.3699252]

>>3699240
>no slowdown

Saturncuck in denial.

>Nobody cares

Reviews say otherwise.

Segafags on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.3699256]

>>3698315
thx for advice but ima stick with one i've already put some time into, FOR NOW

you haven't fucking won yet, r-type 1 and fantasy zone

[Anonymous No.3699271]

are there any christmas themed shmups for the pc engine

[Anonymous No.3699921]

>>3699252
>Saturncuck in denial.
Post a webm of this alleged slowdown then.

>Reviews say otherwise.
>giving a shit about reviewers
And you call others cucks?

PlayShitters, will they ever learn?

[Anonymous No.3699924]

>>3689367
>Shmups
I'm 33. What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.3699928]

>>3699924
Shoot 'em ups.

[Anonymous No.3699942]

>>3699271
Not PCE, but this game is pretty solstice-style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyt03q4zpHo

[Anonymous No.3702140]

And nobody acknowledges Xexex.

[Anonymous No.3702147]

>>3702140

It bombed seriously hard in the arcades and the overseas release was one hell of a gimp.

[Anonymous No.3702165]

>>3702147
I wonder why, it's a great game.

[Anonymous No.3702170]

>>3702165

Had it been reskinned as Gradius IV believe me it wouldn't have bombed.

[Anonymous No.3702183]

>>3702165
Because it has absolutely atrocious aesthetics.

The princess looks like a fart.

The ship has some wrinkled monkey's ass attached to it.

That game deserved to bomb for being so ugly.

[Anonymous No.3702423]

>>3697873
?
Delta runs at 60 (in NTSC).
even G-Darius on the PS1 (which has a lot of slowdown) tries to keep 60, and doesn't really hit 30

>>3698290
you what?
It's better than 2 by a fair bit and better than 3 by a bunch (namely, the pacing isn't garbage like R-Type 3).
I like R-Type 1 more, but that might just be the fact that I've put much more time into it.

>>3702165
the overseas release is absolute garbage for no valid reason
like, it makes absolutely braindead changes and appears to have had nearly no playtesting
the cool weapons are all gone

it's an utter shame since the JP release is pretty fun

>>3702183
Xexex looks okay and has some impressive looking bits to it. The Flintlock is a cool ship.

>>3693210
Metal Black is an acquired taste.
kind of like Gun Frontier, but I still don't like that game

[Anonymous No.3702439]

>>3696907
>i still don't get the point of those
>did seibu just bootleg their own games or something
They did the exact same with raiden fighters aswell renamed raiden fighters 2000, atrocious sound. My guess is a quick cash grab via some old shitty hardware for cheaps.

[Anonymous No.3702442]

>>3702439
Raiden Fighters was initially named Gun-Dogs at the location test it didn't get too much coverage but they released the game under Raiden Fighters and the arcades ate it up.

[Anonymous No.3702451]

>>3702442
I'm not talking about that at all you fucking retard, there is a cheap poor sound release for the sequel which i meant. It has Raiden fighters 2000 on it, go look in mame.

[Anonymous No.3702458]

>>3702451

Replied to the wrong post, chill out you bipolar clown.

[Anonymous No.3702608]

>new patch for ps4 garegga fixes the infinite pattern

[Anonymous No.3702713]

>>3702608
fucking based m2, too bad I don't have a ps4