/CRT/ WARNING! DIRTY SCREEN APPROACHING

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/CRT/ WARNING! DIRTY SCREEN APPROACHING Anonymous Thu Dec 8 10:29:03 2016 No.3664775 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread >>3634558

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 12:00:12 2016 No.3664881 Anyone know exactly what a crt rejuvinator does? My crt has not so bright whites and I want to fix that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 12:13:56 2016 No.3664892 >>3664881 >My crt has not so bright whites Must be from Florida

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 13:29:59 2016 No.3665003

I own a 20 inch non multiformat bvm that has around 34k hours on it. I have the option to get a 20L5 from 2002, what should I look out for when inspecting the pvm. My bvm has near perfect geometry so I'm expecting a trade off with this pvm. How can one tell when a tube has dulled out.

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 14:16:31 2016 No.3665094

Sort the following brands of CRT TV into high medium and low quality, adding notes and tips when appropriate.

Sanyo

Sylvania

RCA

Hitachi

Magnasonic

Mitsubishi

NEC

Prima

General Electric

Goldstar

Symphonic

Toshiba

JVC

Sony

Magnavox

Sharp

Samsung

Philips

Panasonic

Sears

Apex

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 14:18:32 2016 No.3665097 >>3664881 i may be mistaken but that's a last ditch effort. degrades the life of the display, but if it's already shit it's worth a shot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 14:37:01 2016 No.3665143 >>3665094 Hitachi had the best colors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 16:22:04 2016 No.3665321 File: 64 KB, 1262x1262, NO_SCART.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Friendly reminder: Never fall for the scart meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 17:14:32 2016 No.3665401 >>3665094 why do you keep omitting ikegami? Have you never heard of the brand or something? Ikegami is better than all of these.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 17:16:41 2016 No.3665406 >>3665401 Ikegami doesn't make TVs

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 17:21:47 2016 No.3665412 >>3665406 apart from the size:cost ratio being more reasonable for TVs, why even get a TV

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 17:25:40 2016 No.3665419 >>3665412 Consumer-friendly hookups, built-in speakers. That sort of thing. Oh, and you can watch TV on it. Or at least, you could prior to the analogue transmissions being switched off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 19:45:34 2016 No.3665691 >>3664775 Noob here. I'm after a consumer grade CRT with the following features; >4:3 >curved screen >480p and 240p >PAL 60Hz >SCART and component Does such a unit exist from a reputable Japanese manufacturer? It's going to be for SNES/N64/Wii

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:11:45 2016 No.3665732

>>3665094
High Tier
Sony, Mitsubishi, NEC, Hitachi, Ikegami, Toshiba, Panasonic, JVC. If you're using one of these sets then you've been paying attention and deserve your spot in the CRT masterrace. You've put in the time to learn about display tech, and proudly have your consoles connected via s-video, component, or RGB.

Mid Tier
Sanyo, Samsung, Sharp. These sets aren't bad, and can display pretty decent picture. You got one of these because its the best CRT you've found so far for what you need.

Shit Tier
Sylvania, Emerson, RCA, Magnasonic, Prima, GE, Goldstar, Symphonic, Magnavox, Philips, Insignia, Sears, Apex. These are the sets you end up inheriting from childhood, or get stuck with when you really want a crt for retro but can't find anything better. Playing on these sets leaves a bitter taste in your mouth, and you find yourself playing less and less vidya. But keep hanging in there, and you'll make it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:24:27 2016 No.3665752

>>3665691
>consumer

Sadly no, there are no consumer televisions with all of those features. There are Japanese pro monitors like the NEC XM and XP series and the Mitsubishi Megaviews that'll give you the 4:3, curved glass, 480p and 240p, and PAL 60, although a SCART port probably won't be available you can still use a SCART cable provided you have a SCART-to-BNC adapter.

480p -and- 240p support is something you will only find on multisync monitors, consumer CRTs will only display one of the two signals properly but not the other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:33:02 2016 No.3665768 >>3665752 ok thanks, are there any units that tick most of the points I'm after? I'm guessing 480p is more common than 240p, and component is more common than SCART? Does a 480i tv do 240p?

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:37:56 2016 No.3665775

>>3665768
All 480i displays do 240p, since the video signal is more or less identical to 480i.

480p is gonna be the most common, I don't know of any CRT that naitively does 480p, it's always upscaled to 1080i, though some displays, such as high-end sony's will push 480p to 540p for less jaggies.

And yeah, component will be more common than scart, if you're anywhere other than yurop. Even then, most late model TV's that are decent should have component.

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:45:12 2016 No.3665781

>>3665775
>480p is gonna be the most common, I don't know of any CRT that naitively does 480p
So it's the most common, yet no CRT's natively do it? Strange

Souds like I either go for a CRT ideal for SNES/N64 and subpar for Wii/GC/PS2, or vice versa.
I'm inclined to prioritise except that needs SCART to be at its best, right?

Is a good flat 4:3 CRT as good as curved?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:46:15 2016 No.3665782 >>3665781 meant to say i'm inclined to prioritise SNES/N64

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:49:26 2016 No.3665785 >>3665781 480i, whoops. Component is good for Wii/PS2, and if you're in europe SCART should be common. Just make sure they're RGB SCART ports, I know some TV's will only have them wired for composite.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:54:24 2016 No.3665797 >>3665785 ah I see. Good to know. I'm in Australia, so if I want an RGB SCART TV for SNES, I should be looking to import from Europe then? Is that risky with such a heavy fragile item? I think the Sony KV-HR36M31 does 1080i, and thus I assume 480p.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 21:41:12 2016 No.3665843 My CRT has a dead "pixel". How does this even happen? A single blue phosphor dot just shows as white. Can it be fixed?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 21:53:21 2016 No.3665862 My PVM has been emitting that high-pitched sound that a CRT makes when its capacitors are dying. Do people still repair CRTs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 21:54:44 2016 No.3665864 >>3665862 >that high-pitched sound that a CRT makes when its capacitors are dying You mean a different one from the high-pitched sound that all CRTs make?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 22:03:24 2016 No.3665873 >>3665864 No it's much more audible. Only happens on CRTs that have gotten a lot of use.

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 22:06:53 2016 No.3665881

>>3665862
>he needs somebody to replace capacitors for him

Do it yourself. I literally learned enough to desolder and solder capacitors just by reading the instructions that came with my soldering gun. Capacitors all have numbers written on them and you can buy replacements for pennies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 22:07:54 2016 No.3665882 >>3665881 I've done it before, but I heard CRTs are death traps and that you're better off finding someone to repair it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 22:08:57 2016 No.3665883 >>3665882 ...you unplug it first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 22:12:38 2016 No.3665889 File: 29 KB, 449x207, 1414041540233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3665883 Go ahead and try it anon. A CRT has more than enough volts to kill you and it can hold a charge for weeks and potentially MONTHS even when left unplugged.

>>	Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Thu Dec 8 22:29:22 2016 No.3665924 >>3665883 >Not understanding at least the basics of electronics. >>3665889 Is absolutely right. Go stick a soldering iron in the flyback circuitry and let us know how it turns out for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 22:57:03 2016 No.3665959 >>3665883 >>3665889 >>3665924 Are normies falling for the CRT meme? Last thread another anon didn't know that RGBs is different from YPbPr and now this.

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 23:08:29 2016 No.3665975

>>3665882
>>3665889
>>3665924

Jesus christ.
Yeah, CRT's can give you a nasty shock. They are, for the most part, not deathtraps, unless you have some sort of heart condition or a pacemaker or something.
Anode voltage for most color sets is somewhere in the range of 30kV, which is pretty high, but current through the tube is less than 2mA. Getting bitten by the HV circuitry will hurt like a motherfucker, but it won't kill you. It's happened to me, and to people I know. As long as you have a basic understanding of working on electronics, and how to avoid the HV side of circuits, you'll be fine. You have a much higher risk of electrocution from the mains side of the board than the HV/Flyback.

Anonymous Thu Dec 8 23:16:54 2016 No.3665986

>>3665959
Normies started with the CRT meme before any /vr/ people even called it a CRT meme or /vr/ was a thing.

It mostly started back in the SC2 esports days when some pro sponsored players were using CRTs over larger lcd displays. Prices on ebay and everywhere went way up and it has only gotten worse. People literally thought they could be pros if they used pro equipment. Some of those pros were also SC1 players that refused to change their play style until BenQ bought out monitor positions at tourneys and forced everyone to use BenQ 24 inch crappers (ever wonder why 24 inch benqs sell well, but are inferior to competitors, this is why)

Other examples of items idiots buy : DX racer chair or similar, mech keyboard their fav twitch streamer has, blue mics, Astro/TB/Triton headphones, i5 processors for gaming, Logitech c920 camers, etc.

At least CRTs actually are useful and high quality in the right situation. Unlike the other stuff I listed that is either shit or overpriced compared to a better product.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 23:19:10 2016 No.3665990 >>3665986 >i5 processors for gaming I thought i7's were the meme. I don't know what to think anymore

Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Thu Dec 8 23:27:26 2016 No.3666005

>>3665975
Cars are the same way. They are generally safe to work on but if you don't know what you are doing it's not hard to royally fuck up.

I guess what I am trying to say is before the poor guy goes trying to recap his TV by himself it may be better to attempt to seek out a professional or at least take a weekend electronics course or something and familiarize himself with what he is diving into.

Knowing is half the battle.

>>3665990
i5's are great for gaming. My current rig is running the i5 4690k not clocked and it has no issues. i7's in the mid to mid-high tier usually aren't worth the price gap for what is in practice a barely discernible or marginal difference in actual performance but your mileage may vary.

DX Chairs are uncomfortable to me but mech keyboards just make me happy.

Just because he brought it up, turtle beach headsets were always shit it's nice at least that the price point on them reflects that now for the most part.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 23:37:36 2016 No.3666019 does it go without saying that a 576i PAL TV will also do 480i/240p native?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:17:17 2016 No.3666082 >>3665873 Sometimes when the flyback gets old the potting cracks making it real loud. Does it quiet down when you press against the side with an insulated screwdriver?

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:20:38 2016 No.3666084

>>3665412
If you have a regular sort of set-up with a couch and everything, a consumer TV is the way to go. The size, price and some of the hurdles you have to jump through to do audio if you like to use an amplifier (although the pvms have audio out which is great) really sucks. There's no remote either. I like CRTs for their low latency and nostalgic feel and hardly care about the RGB thing, especially since I've missed the boat on it and its way too expensive now.

The most I use is s-video on a KV Trinitron when I can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:23:48 2016 No.3666089 >>3665691 I think there's a few late 90s XBR KV-Trinitrons (the black curved screen ones) that came with component here in the states, so I'd expect the Pal one to have scart as well. I don't think it'd have 60hz though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:28:38 2016 No.3666093 >>3666089 just how bad are flat screen CRT's compared to curved?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:31:48 2016 No.3666101 >>3666093 The model is KV-32XBR48 by the way. This is a black curved Trinitron but it seems pretty rare. I'm not sure how bad it is actually, I just like the curved 90s ones since the Wegas are that nasty silver color :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:34:19 2016 No.3666107 >>3666101 ok but generally speaking do flat screens warp the picture somehow? Or is the appeal of curved screens purely nostalgia?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:35:25 2016 No.3666108 >>3666107 Apparently they do, but so many people use the wegas so I guess it's not too bad.

Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Fri Dec 9 00:37:58 2016 No.3666118

>>3666093
Depends on the brand but RCA TruFlat's tend to be the ones I see pop up a lot. TruFlat's tend to have color balance and contrast issues (which you can only partially fix through the service menu.

>>3666107
Most flat's tend to suffer from varying degree's of pincushioning but later model flat Toshiba's and flat Trinitrons tend to have very minor issues with it and thus can be pretty easily adjusted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:40:59 2016 No.3666123 File: 1.92 MB, 300x225, epic.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >my CRT is only 10 years old >manufactured in 2006 Can anyone really beat this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 00:52:12 2016 No.3666130 >>3665732 I always see a lot of people shit on Phillips sets. What's with that? I always took Phillips as a mid-high production? Maybe msrp was high at the time, but the quality was good, so whats up?

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 01:25:38 2016 No.3666157
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>>3666130
they're mid at best, also you cannot adjust purity and convergence because the yoke are permagnets and not rings magnets.
The flat I had was nice but you could see how the center was well defined while corners got fairly blurry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 02:18:44 2016 No.3666207 >>3666123 I also have one from 2006. October 2006.

Kya !kDashing02 Fri Dec 9 02:54:41 2016 No.3666249

>>3664881
Runs a higher voltage across the cathodes than normal in an attempt to burn off oxidation built up that may be causing the gun(s) to not work properly, leading to a dim picture and/or missing colors. Can cut the usable life a CRT has left considerably, so it really should only ever be used as a last resort.

>>3665843
>A single blue phosphor dot just shows as white
It wouldn't be able to show white if it was just a single phosphor dot, as it takes a triad of dots to actually make white. Is it possible that is is a small nick on the surface of the tube that is just bending the surrounding light into looking like that?

>>3665094
To actually rate each brand as high or low quality would be silly, since (ignoring condition and the like of individual sets) you're going to find acceptable stuff from just most makers, and even the "best" brands are going to have bad eggs here or there.

If you wanted to sort them from chances of getting quality versus QUALITY, this would probably be a good bit to go by.
Brands within tiers are in no order.

Safe Bet Tier:
Sony
Mitsubishi
NEC
JVC/Panasonic(Matsushita)

Decent Tier:
Sharp
Samsung
Sanyo
Toshiba

Middling Tier:
Philips
LG/Goldstar
RCA
Hitachi

Mixed Bag Tier:
Sylvania
GE
Symphonic
Sears

loliduno:
Apex
Prima
Magansonic
etc

As said above, I'm not including Ikegami because they don't make consumer sets, and a list like this applying to pro gear would just be stupid and nonsensical.

>>3666123
January 2007, on an HD Sanyo.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 03:14:05 2016 No.3666270

>>3666089
>so I'd expect the Pal one to have scart as well. I don't think it'd have 60hz though.
Euro TV supporting 60Hz Vsync when using RGB have been a thing since the 80s. Even if they did not sync automatically, you could alway tweak the V-Hold on TVs that had that potentiometer on the back. So if he's searching for a high-end late 90s sony set, you'd bet it would support both 60Hz RGB and PAL60 (there are even chances it'll also support NTSC).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 03:59:51 2016 No.3666313 >>3665419 >Oh, and you can watch TV on it. Or at least, you could prior to the analogue transmissions being switched off. Plenty of cheap Chinese converter/DVR boxes out there with S-video and component.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 05:22:37 2016 No.3666380 >>3666249 Where does Ikegami rank?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 05:34:13 2016 No.3666389 File: 23 KB, 236x240, puyo puyo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Found a computer monitor with RGB and VGA Worth getting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 05:36:00 2016 No.3666392 >>3666389 VGA is RGB to begin with. Post model and brand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 05:38:08 2016 No.3666393 >>3666392 ViewSonic PT775 SonicTron™

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 05:42:14 2016 No.3666397 >>3666393 Okay now copy paste that on goodle and the first link will be the specs of the monitor with everything you wanna see. You'll see that it's an SVGA monitor and won't take your consoles' RGB output (unless it's a dreamcast).

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 05:44:39 2016 No.3666401

>>3666393
Okay now copy paste that on goodle and the first link will be the specs of the monitor with everything you wanna see. You'll see that it's an SVGA monitor and won't take your consoles' RGB output (unless it's a dreamcast).
It looks like a totally decent one though so if you wanna use it for PC stuff primarily go ahead and get it (if it's not too expensive though).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 06:25:55 2016 No.3666429 >>3666019 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 06:52:37 2016 No.3666447 >>3666429 If it support 60Hz Vsync (which it's really likely to do) yes it will.

Kya !kDashing02 Fri Dec 9 06:53:23 2016 No.3666449

>>3666380
>As said above, I'm not including Ikegami because they don't make consumer sets, and a list like this applying to pro gear would just be stupid and nonsensical.

Assuming equal wear and condition, the quality of picture produced by an Ikegami should be equal to the equivalent grade Sony BVM/PVM and JVC/Panasonic set. A Grade-1 BVM will give the same sort of quality picture as a Grade-1 Ikegami, the only real difference being one's preference for the control circuitry of said monitor, and the sort of picture the type of tube produces(Aperture Grille, Dot Triad, etc).

Ikegami wouldn't still be offering CRTs for sale if they weren't of decent quality.

>>3666019
Assuming an SD set, over RGB, yes with the possible requirement to tweak vertical hold, and even that shouldn't be too likely.
Over anything else, depends on the age, and possibly only in black and white if at all.

CRTs are not like LCDs and the like, they don't have hard set native resolutions. The circuitry that drives them will have their upper and lower limits, and digital (HDCRT TVs) models will have their resolutions dictated by said digital portion, but outside of that, CRTs give you a whole lot of play in what resolution, refresh rate, and (input) aspect ratio you can use.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 07:00:56 2016 No.3666456 File: 165 KB, 1200x1183, lg-flatron-ez-t730sh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got this baby for free How good is it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 07:08:46 2016 No.3666461 >>3666456 Hook your monitor to a computer and give it a try to see for yourself though >LG At best it's okay but there's way better like most korean CRT stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 07:33:17 2016 No.3666485 File: 2.25 MB, 2592x1944, IMG_20161208_222246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666461 Looks pretty decent, contrast is a bit lacking though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 07:45:10 2016 No.3666494 >>3666485 At lower resolutions yeah it'll be good, but at higher ones (read 1280*1024 or higher) you might notice more issues than the contrast (blurriness and the likes).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 09:58:52 2016 No.3666628 >>3665775 so if I wanted a PVM for NES and SNES, would it play NES well and SNES poorly, or the other way around?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 10:01:06 2016 No.3666635 >>3666456 flatron is trinitron, so it's aperture grill. decent.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 10:02:34 2016 No.3666638 >>3666628 that's a weird quesiton, do you mean qualitywise? NES will be composite only, without modding and will look good on any pvm SNES can output RGB natively (mini needs modding) and will look clearer and sharper. it'll look good brofam

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 10:45:24 2016 No.3666707 >he's inputting RGB but has the color calibrated for limited range Enjoy your crushed blacks, faggot!

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 10:55:54 2016 No.3666725
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hey my colors aren't lining up on this screen, can someone spoonfeed me how to calibrate them?

>>3666707
the only good black is a crushed black, my grandpappy used to say

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 11:00:47 2016 No.3666729 >>3666725 Use test/calibration patterns to know whether you need to adjust purity and/or converge. For actual adjustment check the service manual of our set for the recommended procedure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 11:03:51 2016 No.3666735 Best color temperature?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 11:21:53 2016 No.3666774 File: 1.08 MB, 1944x2592, 2016-12-09 11.21.08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666729 thx but I can't find the service manual for this, anyone got a pdf?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 11:34:39 2016 No.3666798 >>3666735 Whatever best matches your ambient lighting

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 11:55:38 2016 No.3666826 >>3666707 >implying RGB 16-235 dosn't exist

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 12:42:32 2016 No.3666890

I recently bought a Samsung PVM (Model# SSC 21M). My only issue with the TV is that for some reason VCR is displayed in the bottom left corner and won''t disappear and I can't seem to find it in the Menu (settings/display).

I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me out with this minor, yet annoying issue. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 13:08:48 2016 No.3666934 File: 347 KB, 1920x1080, Screenshot_20161209-175754.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666890 Are you by any chance using the VCR input?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 13:12:04 2016 No.3666939 >>3666774 >flat napkins This is why you get curved napkins

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 13:43:49 2016 No.3666968 I've been wondering: what do you think about OLED/AMOLED screens? > deep blacks > no ghosting > very fast response times

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 13:46:55 2016 No.3666974

>>3666968
The screen burning is still a huge issue. They are basically worthless as computer monitors until they fix that.
Deep blacks and fast response times are nice but will never beat natural scanlines.

You'll end up wasting a ton of money on a nice screen that will last 2 years max.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 14:17:57 2016 No.3667031

>>3666974
> The screen burning is still a huge issue
Is it though? I don't have much experience with them and I'm not a pro by any means, but I heard screen burn got better from people on several forums (speaking of mobile devices). But given that there's a lot of shilling going on and people don't stick to their devices for more than 2-3 years anyway, it's hard to say.

But on the other hand, what you say doesn't sound totally unbelievable. It's suspicious that there are still barely any monitors with the tech on the market. People report image retention on store demo TVs, just like on plasma screens. Plus, as I said, so far AMOLEDs have mostly been present on phones and even less so on tablets.

In any case, there's a lot of very contradictory reports, with some claiming they have no problems and others saying exactly the opposite. Given TVs are still expensive as fuck, I wouldn't risk getting one.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 14:25:47 2016 No.3667049

>>3664775

Hey guys, just another noob looking for a crt. I'm not hard to please though; I just don't know a lot about old TVs. I'm looking for

>S-video
>Any size, smaller preferred
>Curved or flat
>NTSC (if switchable to PAL it would be nice, but not deathly necessary)
>Can output a stable picture...and sound?

Using for an N64 and a Saturn. Cheers

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 14:26:01 2016 No.3667050 >>3667031 >It's suspicious that there are still barely any monitors with the tech on the market Unlike a TV, a monitor is going to show the same bright still image, thus making the screen burn faster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:00:46 2016 No.3667119 File: 47 KB, 608x456, 1468167259798.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is a sony trinitron kv-27s15 any good? Thinking of picking this one up at goodwill.

>>	anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:05:38 2016 No.3667125 File: 45 KB, 960x720, 34344343.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3664775 heres my little flat screen trinitron. just got that controller for 3 bucks at goodwill

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:07:09 2016 No.3667131 >>3666934 Yes, but that's the only input that will play games through BNC to RCA. Am I missing something?

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:20:09 2016 No.3667167

>>3667119
Buy it now.
You would be hard pressed to find a better consumer CRT.

Note that it's a curved screen, meaning it doesn't have the geometry (linearity, bowing) and deflection (focus, convergence) problems flat screen CRTs have.

The advantages of flat screen CRTs are:
More inputs to plug more systems.
Component input jacks for sharper visuals (on good brands).
Much less glare (your room reflected on screen).
Square, not rounded image (Zelda dungeons have straight walls).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:27:03 2016 No.3667178 >>3667049 Any Japanese brand is good. Make sure it has an S-video jack on the back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:32:12 2016 No.3667187 File: 1.55 MB, 4096x2304, IMG_20161007_002939.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /vr/ boy's cant even compete ;P

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:35:03 2016 No.3667192 File: 135 KB, 607x492, 1478651203994.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667187 But I have every kind of high end CRT that exists. FW900 included.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:41:47 2016 No.3667203 >>3667125 >Alpha Anthology I'm sorry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:43:13 2016 No.3667206 >>3667192 but not the right sence of style

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 15:53:07 2016 No.3667219
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>>3667131
Think about it for a second.

You have a security monitor. Would it not make sense that it would be important that the person viewing it be made acutely aware that what they were viewing was a recording rather than live footage?

Basically you've got possibly the world's most useless device for playing video games.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 16:35:05 2016 No.3667304

>>3666968
you still have to deal with fixed resolution
while you could somehow get the vertical resolution right, given it's a 240 multiple, it's a whole different deal with horizontal res, even within 1 console.
MD/Gen can do 256 and 320
PCE can practically do any number
and arcade boards are a whole separate universe.

And then you have to deal with sample-and-hold. It's currently dealt with black frame insertion or black bar scanning, which is literally reinveinting crt phosphor refreshing...

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 17:16:44 2016 No.3667395 File: 406 KB, 1040x780, 20161204_205449_HDR[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just shipped out a 5041Q to a fellow anon from this board. Still have a few 9L2s and 8042Qs to sell, if anyone is interested in 8/9 inch monitors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:26:05 2016 No.3667407 File: 900 KB, 2048x1152, 2016-12-09 17.25.19.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667167 It is done

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:31:18 2016 No.3667417 Anyone in MA got a 5"-7" set floating around? I've got a 14N1U for grabs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:37:10 2016 No.3667430 >>3667395 you out of 5"ers?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 17:52:10 2016 No.3667450 >>3667430 I have one left and it sometimes has issues with composite input (I think I've fixed the underlying issue, but it could come back eventually). RGB input works properly. If you really want it, I'll let it go. It's rather cute.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:52:52 2016 No.3667451 >>3667450 I would be using almost exclusively composite, unfortunately. I'm an unmodded Famicom kind of guy.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 17:54:47 2016 No.3667454

Attention Canadians, especially Toronto fags:

Would you like to be the owner of six huge as fuck Sony broadcast monitors? Whip out your wallet.

https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscdslin/catalogue-id-danbur10022/lot-8f895ea6-d3ec-4dee-9268-a6d7001e2d4a

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:57:40 2016 No.3667459 >>3666826 >implying games were designed for that

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:58:43 2016 No.3667461 >>3667395 I'll give you $5

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 17:59:58 2016 No.3667463 >>3667459 they weren actually, because the whole tv standard was 16-235 and only that

Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 18:03:06 2016 No.3667476
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>>3667451
The issue with composite on my remaining 5041Q is cold solder traces/joints in one corner of one daughter board. I believe I've fixed the issue by reflowing every joint on a specific IC that the manual's blowout schematic indicates is partially responsible for demodulation. I completed that work earlier this year and then put the monitor away in storage, only bringing it out this week along with a bunch of 8/9 inchers to make some room for a BVM-D24E1 I won at auction for $500. The 5041Q with previous issues immediately warmed up and worked flawlessly. It's the monitor on the left in these photos.

So it's probably fixed for another couple years or so. At that point the traces can be reflowed again or the daughterboard could be replaced entirely. Sony's modular design on 5, 8 and 9 inch monitors makes it pretty simple to detach a few molex adapters and pop out a daughterboard in a minute or two of careful wiggling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:04:03 2016 No.3667479 File: 10 KB, 225x225, thistriggersvr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder that games were designed for this and you are all wasting money on meme displays

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 18:04:25 2016 No.3667480 >>3667461 Silly anon, that wouldn't even pay for shipping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:08:19 2016 No.3667489 >>3667476 What kind of price are we talking hombre?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:13:02 2016 No.3667494 >>3667476 do you plan to do something with your collection ? do you have a favorite model that you are already using, or you're planning to use ? do you still search specific(s) models as a grail ?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 18:14:04 2016 No.3667496 >>3667489 A little below eBay average. Send me an email if you want to discuss it. Shipping will probably be above $15, depending on where you are. The good composite 5041Q shipped from Florida to Ohio for $16.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:21:35 2016 No.3667506 >>3667496 I'm down to chat dude, where can I reach you?

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:21:37 2016 No.3667507
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I have a samsung consumer set with composite and component inputs but no s-video input that shares a chassis with another model that does have s-video input.
Would it be hard to rig my set to accept s-video input?
Does samsung does some fuckery like disabling features in firmware or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:23:42 2016 No.3667513 >>3667507 Couldn't you just use a passive S-Video to Component cable?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:26:43 2016 No.3667516 >>3667513 >passive S-Video to Component cable There's no passive adapter that can do the color decoding necessary.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 18:28:14 2016 No.3667519
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>>3667494
>do you plan to do something with your collection ?
Yes, either I use my savings to buy a house and set up a studio for making videos like the mylifeingaming duders or I keep saving until I can afford a building and open a gaming speakeasy. Jacksonville doesn't have a single nerdy bar, just a really good used games store (Videogame Rescue), a decent tabletop gaming coffeeshop and a few good card shops (Happy Viking is apparently dying but Cool Stuff Games is doing really well).

>do you have a favorite model that you are already using, or you're planning to use ?
I have a 20L5 that I bought back before the PVM/BVM memes got crazy for about $200 from Oprah's Chicago studios (Harpo studios). It's covered in stickers because why the fuck not?

Here's a list of my collection:

3x PVM-9L2
1x PVM-8044Q
4x PVM-8042Q
1x PVM-8041Q
1x PVM-20L5 (had another but sold it last year)
1x BVM-20F1U
1x PVM-14M2U (had another but sold it this year to an anon)
1x PVM-14M4U (in a road case with wheels)
1x BVM-14G5U
1x PVM-5041Q
1x Ikegami TM14-17RZ

Coming soon: 1x D24E1

>do you still search specific(s) models as a grail ?
I'd love to have one of those NEC multisync consumer monitors, or one of the crazy Barcos that you normally only find in Europe. To be honest though, I'd like to have a house or building so I could buy a CRT projector. They're huge, heavy and expensive.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 18:29:17 2016 No.3667521 >>3667506 Shit I forgot my email, my bad. jacksonville@clockworkgiantpandas.com

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:32:46 2016 No.3667531 >>3667192 why is the anime girl a Cincinnati Reds fan?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:33:19 2016 No.3667537 There's a KV-HR36M31 for sale near my place I assume it would be great for 480p, therefore good for Wii & PS2. As for SNES & N64, would it be worth getting an OSSC to get that quick 480p output?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:36:21 2016 No.3667543 >>3667537 If you can actually get an OSSC, why not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:37:04 2016 No.3667545 >>3667521 No problem! Just emailed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:39:25 2016 No.3667553 >>3667519 PVM...50? That's 5 inches, not 50 inches, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:44:01 2016 No.3667560 >>3667553 He's got a few 80-inchers too. What a hero.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 18:51:38 2016 No.3667571 >>3667543 Actually I just realised this TV (the Australian version) doesn't have HDMI, so an OSSC won't work here

Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 18:57:16 2016 No.3667589

>>3667553
>>3667560
The 5041Q is a 5 inch monitor. The 80XXQs are 8 inch monitors. I never cared about justice, and I don't recall ever calling myself a hero... I have always only fought for the people I believe in. I won't hesitate... If an enemy appears in front of me, I will destroy it!

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Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:13:26 2016 No.3667608

>>3667407
Looks good. The contrast setting seems too high but that might just be your camera/lighting.

If you have space you can also get a flat Sony Trinitron.
Their component inputs are great for Xbox, PS2, Wii, and PSP and their speakers are on their sides not the bottom so they have greater stereo separation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:14:33 2016 No.3667612 >>3667596 cute

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:17:50 2016 No.3667619
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So, I have a Sony Profeel KX27PS1, pic related.

I am a citizen of Europoorland, and my problem is 60 Hz consoles.

I am using RGB Scart.

There is an NTSC switch on it, if it's off 60 Hz is black and white, that's okay. But if it's pushed 60 Hz output is either without the color red, or if I play with the horizontal size pot, and turn it down, it will be fully colored but in 16:9 aspect ratio. What the fuck, I have never seen anything like this.

50 Hz is all fine.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:18:15 2016 No.3667620

>>3665003
>How can one tell when a tube has dulled out[?]
It looks dull? You can never quite be sure without trying to adjust the menu/internal settings, but something with the brightness/contrast all the way up that still looks faded, or has with an overall grey and/or brown wash over it that's there with the picture, isn't a good starting point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:20:24 2016 No.3667623 >>3665797 SCART TV's do crop up on gumtree. Just set your alerts - which are shit, so keep checking. No way would you bother importing a consumer TV from EU. It'd be way cheaper to buy a PVM-D20L5A locally or something.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:24:49 2016 No.3667634
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>>3667608
Already have one my dude, but the sound was dying on it, so i bought this one for my current setup. Also went into the service and fixed a bit so it should look better, pic related

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:29:18 2016 No.3667636

Ok guys I am looking for a small RGB monitor on ebay.

I noticed that for most auctions it always says 1 bidder, even when the ad was just posted/reposted recently.

What is going on here? Is it common practice for Ebay sellers to use another account to bid on their own items to kick up the price?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:30:05 2016 No.3667637 >>3667636 Extremely common.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:38:24 2016 No.3667650 File: 17 KB, 450x450, 00U0U_kaJmZX8WC1l_600x450.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666456 Guys should I go pick this baby up tonight? http://reading.craigslist.org/zip/5910147615.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:41:24 2016 No.3667656 General thoughts on Loewe TV's?

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:48:18 2016 No.3667670

Is it normal for the picture on a PVM to be crooked? I can deal with slightly off geometry, but it's kind of annoying that my picture is slightly rotated to the right. I found that I can "fix" this by adjusting the "landing," but that causes the top right corner to be green, which is obviously even less ideal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:52:25 2016 No.3667676 >>3667650 >http://reading.craigslist.org/zip/5910147615.html Yes, it is 480i (not high-scan) and comes with the remote (needed to enter service menu).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 19:59:31 2016 No.3667689 Is it true that for SNES & N64, S-Video is virtually indistinguishable from RGB?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:00:27 2016 No.3667693 >>3667689 I think for SNES that is indeed the case unless you have an ultra high end monitor, not sure for N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:03:34 2016 No.3667695 >>3667676 If you've got the space fuckin go for it. Nice entertainment center too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:05:37 2016 No.3667702 >>3667693 cool, as for the cable itself, is it fairly safe to buy second hand? I see official ones on ebay that are cheaper than the monster ones. I can't imagine much having gone wrong with them

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 20:12:22 2016 No.3667714 >>3667670 You don't want to adjust landing to fix a rotated picture. Landing (probably) is not the issue. Which model of PVM are you playing with?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:19:09 2016 No.3667728 >>3667714 It's a 20L5. I don't think it was rotated when I first got it, so I don't know why it is now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:25:36 2016 No.3667739 >>3667702 Yeah, you don't need to go crazy with S-Video cables. I see monster and high-quality S-Vid cables at goodwill all the time actually. Check locally before you order something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:30:14 2016 No.3667746 >>3667739 I've found Great cables at the flea market and thrift stores for a dollar

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:31:51 2016 No.3667750 >>3667746 Yeah, for whatever reason I find really high quality shit at my awful goodwill frequently. It's like the only good shit there is cables.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:34:01 2016 No.3667752

>>3667689
No, S-video is a nice image with no artifacts/interference but RGB and Component are noticably sharper.

It's not just for making Sonic's outline more defined.
The increased sharpness helps for reading Japanese text and makes 3D games feel like they have more spatial depth.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 20:50:20 2016 No.3667780

>>3667728
Did you move where the monitor was placed since you first got it? The earth's magnetic field can cause minor changes in geometry. Rotate your set to face one of the cardinal directions to see if it makes any difference (get a traditional compass out if you have one, don't trust your phone). Admittedly this is an uncommon cause of geometry problems, but try it first before you start messing with submenu settings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 20:55:38 2016 No.3667794 >>3667780 It's been in the same place since I got it. I actually did read about that already and tried changing its position, but it didn't change a thing.

Kya !kDashing02 Fri Dec 9 20:57:13 2016 No.3667802

>>3667689
The difference between S-Video and RGB on the N64 are negligible for most games as stock. Whether there is a bigger difference between two once modded to remove the horizontal blurring applied to many games is a different question and one I can't answer for you.
Tempted to get one of etim's N64RGB boards with that option flashed to it just to compare to my standard RGB modded one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:02:58 2016 No.3667814 I recently bought a SEGA Genesis 1. What is the best way to hook it up to a projector? SCART to VGA or HDMI/Component? Is it worth buying spending $50 in converts and cables?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:13:51 2016 No.3667826 >>3667395 I really want to throw a RasberryPi inside one of these 8" and have an integrated tiny retro unit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:19:22 2016 No.3667836 >>3667826 Don't do that to a PVM, but definitely do that to a consumer set.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:23:54 2016 No.3667843 >>3667750 we have a few christian thrift shops here and I find really good shit there all the time cheap

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:27:18 2016 No.3667851 >>3666635 I think Flatron is just LG's brand for monitors, not aperture grille but probably supposed to make customer's think it is. My lil bro's secondary monitor is a LG Flatron, but his is an LCD.

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:27:59 2016 No.3667853

>>3667843
jealous, I've got a goodwill, an 'Urban Renewal' which is like a local staple, and junk shops. I've had a few excellent finds, but they're few and far between. My new job is next to the goodwill though so I can go everyday and be disappointed until something amazing pops up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 21:33:13 2016 No.3667860 File: 247 KB, 1536x1152, CzR_hBGUQAErRuB.jpg large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yo /crt/ how do i fix this shadow behind the text and stuff? you can see it trail behind the f-zero vehicles

Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 21:38:27 2016 No.3667863

>>3667794
Well then it's time to start fucking with geometry settings. Download the operation or service manual PDF and get to reading. You should be able to make most adjustments without opening the set. Just be sure to write down the original values for everything you decide to tweak.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri Dec 9 21:40:00 2016 No.3667865 >>3667826 There's really not that much space available inside an 8 inch PVM for shoving anything. I can open one of mine up and take some photos for you if you're curious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 22:04:01 2016 No.3667926 >>3667863 I've been doing that, too. I've tried everything possible as far as geometry goes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 23:17:10 2016 No.3668031 How does it feel knowing the PVM you bought will last 10-15 years tops?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 23:25:21 2016 No.3668046 >>3667219 You've been a great help, thanks m8!

Anonymous Fri Dec 9 23:46:40 2016 No.3668090
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Anyone know why my PVM gives me a black box when using my 360 in 480i? As long as the TV menu is open the box is gone. Yes yes, not retro. But hell if /v/ would help with a CRT problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 23:49:18 2016 No.3668093 >>3667395 Out of curiosity, how much?

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 00:00:26 2016 No.3668115
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>>3667853
Luckily my Grandmom lives in a wealthy area that has 3 goodwills nearby and some of the christian thrift shops I was mentioning so I hit them up as much as possible when I visit her.

I take her out to breakfast as much as i can and she loves to go farting around goodwill and thrift shops so it's a win win situation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 00:02:02 2016 No.3668120 File: 63 KB, 640x500, 1426538667998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668115 plus I always get dat sweet senior citizen discount baby and handicap parking

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 00:05:22 2016 No.3668127 >>3668090 nvm fixed it ;)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 00:22:54 2016 No.3668163 >>3668127 good now I can sleep

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 01:47:21 2016 No.3668301 How can I get a test pattern for adjusting my geometry on my PVM if the only disc-based consoles I have are Dreamcast, Saturn, and PS2 and I don't have a disc burner to burn a disc or the money to invest in one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 01:51:20 2016 No.3668305 >>3668301 I find it hard to believe you have money for all those consoles and pvm but not a cd-rw that costs $20.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 01:52:16 2016 No.3668309 >>3668301 >don't have a disc burner to burn a disc You seriously don't have a computer with a CD drive?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 01:53:47 2016 No.3668312 >>3668305 I've had these consoles for a long time and I got my PVM for a dollar. I have a lot of free time but no money right now. Why would lie about that, anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 01:53:57 2016 No.3668313 >>3668301 What a retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 01:55:44 2016 No.3668316 >>3668309 My desktop doesn't have a CD drive and the CD drive on my laptop isn't working. I'd rather just get an answer to my question rather than discuss why I don't have a CD burner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 02:00:14 2016 No.3668317 >>3668316 Because there isn't a solution. You can't magically put something on a console without burning it to a disc first. Your PS2 can run games off hard drive if you have the network adapter and an HD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 02:04:55 2016 No.3668323 >>3668317 I thought that maybe there are cheap discs I could buy like a DVD or something. I have the slim PS2, which I don't think can use the hard drive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 02:51:48 2016 No.3668371 >>3668323 it can, but the solutions are not convenient in the slightest. Shoulda got a fat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 02:53:08 2016 No.3668372 >>3668323 anyway, look into running things off of ethernet thru OPL. That or just buy a $15-25 usb optical drive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 02:55:04 2016 No.3668373 >>3667802 The new N64 rgb mods incorporate the deblurring stuff the hdmi mod has. I imagine it would be a very desirable solution.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sat Dec 10 03:07:05 2016 No.3668384 >>3668373 That's exactly what I was talking about. My original N64 would require tim's board to get RGB from it anyway, so I am sort of tempted to get it at some point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 03:56:07 2016 No.3668429 >>3667619 >There is an NTSC switch on it, if it's off 60 Hz is black and white That means you're using composite through SCART, not RGB.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 04:35:40 2016 No.3668448 File: 76 KB, 400x400, IMG_3474.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >average PVM owner >balding >low T >doesn't lift >cuckholded >gyno >beta Why do you want one of these again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 04:45:17 2016 No.3668456 >>3668448 >beta cuck low test numale cuck cuck cuck As if anyone that uses 4chan is a paragon of masculinity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 05:02:40 2016 No.3668465 File: 55 KB, 767x767, tmp_25748-CqAPE-Z3-644397136.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668448 >implying Those guys use lcds 95% of the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 05:12:47 2016 No.3668470 >>3668465 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLDBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERG

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 05:26:00 2016 No.3668483 >>3668465 https://www.youtube.com/user/phonedork/videos phonedork has some god-tier crts, and is a funny funny dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 05:26:26 2016 No.3668484 >>3668448 >Balding >Low T Aren't those generally considered to be mutually exclusive?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 06:58:15 2016 No.3668579 >>3668483 But no ikegami. If i get a spare hd ikegami I'm gonna post it to him just so he can experience true crt godliness

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 08:35:49 2016 No.3668663 >>3668579 nohomo

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Dec 10 08:58:52 2016 No.3668682 >>3668448 >average PVM owner >balding Ya got me. >doesn't lift I lift specifically so I can pick up my monitors alone without throwing out my back. >cuckholded Jokes on you, I'm a wizard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 09:26:22 2016 No.3668701 >>3668115 Damn that's a sweet deal. Grandmas rule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 09:35:43 2016 No.3668706 >>3668031 where is the proofs if I replace caps, and don't leave it running when I'm asleep, won't it last at least a quarter-century longer?

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 09:42:01 2016 No.3668709

>>3667826
nah, mod a viewfinder for an old camcorder instead. 1/2" diagonal CRT with 300 lines of resolution and color, that can be powered off a 9v and a composite input. Hell, you could probably jam it in a dreamcast controller (with the CRT peeking out the little window) for your own portable Autismboy. You could even be cheeky and mod an old plastic "magnifier" lens onto it.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat Dec 10 10:07:22 2016 No.3668753

>>3668709
This guy has neat ideas. Unfortunately, even the smallest color CRT viewfinders are pretty huge. There's a few lying around my station's storage room. Marrying one to a DC controller would result in one hell of a Frankenstein monster.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 10:38:01 2016 No.3668797
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Been a while since I posted here. Got my first PVM a few months ago and I've been loving it since.

I'm just now getting around to having my SNES mini modded, and I need to buy a scart cable for it. I learned my lesson from the issues I had with a cheap cable on my PS2, so I intend to buy a good cable.

I recall reading in this thread once that a certain ebay seller only listed their cables during certain times of the day. Could anyone remind me what times these were, or if they've stopped selling altogether? Thanks in advance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 10:49:57 2016 No.3668818 >>3668753 no, I don't mean broadcast viewfinders, I mean consumer viewfinders. They used to sell upgraded versions of camcorders with color viewfinders, among other bells and whistles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:14:35 2016 No.3669063 >>3668797 get bnc cables instead, fuck scart

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:20:24 2016 No.3669072 >>3668797 Don't fall for the scart meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:23:31 2016 No.3669078 >>3669063 Where can you even find console-to-BNC cables anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:25:49 2016 No.3669081 >>3669078 ebay, they're gonna cost more than scart but it's worth it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:39:01 2016 No.3669105 >>3669063 >>3669072 I've got no other choice. I have no soldering skills and ebay doesn't have anything BNC related for consoles except for the scart to BNC adapter that I'm already using. Sorry, anons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:40:38 2016 No.3669110 >3669081 >costs more >"b-but it's worth it !"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:51:47 2016 No.3669135 >>3669110 that's typically the trade-off for spending more money on things, yea

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 14:56:23 2016 No.3669279

hey guys im looking into purchasing a pvm or bvm. is there any really huge significance between the quality of the two? pvms seem to be far more common and profoundly cheaper but is the bvm really worth the extra few hundo in terms of quality? also what exactly should I look for when buying a used monitor besides usage hours?

currently I'm looking at a bvm 1910 for a really good below typical pvm price, but the seller says it is missing the blue gun so the picture is a bit off. would it be worth it to get that one and try to get it repaired? I'm not really sure where to find a broadcast equipment repair place near where I live (southeast michigan), google has yielded no results. I've got a few more questions too but would appreciate some help here before I go blabbing on. thanks for any potential help in advance.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 15:16:34 2016 No.3669347

>>3669279
bvm typically have higher TVL count, more adjustements. That makes them significantly more complex and heavier.

I have a 1410p which is 1910p little brother. It is of an exceptional quality, however yours missing a color is a huge deterent. Having looking at the insides of mine, it would take a really skilled tech to even find the fault.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 15:34:45 2016 No.3669379
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I'm looking for some advice on how to run emulators in 240p with a modern GPU. I'm currently running a GTX 660ti through VGA on a viewsonic E771 computer CRT. Are there emulators that support 240p output? All the big ones seem to go down to 640x480. Pic related, too sharp. Anyway, is this possible with my monitor and/or GPU at all?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 15:42:21 2016 No.3669395 >>3669379 Mednafen, retroarch and MAME let you choose any resolution as long as the modeline exists.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 15:50:23 2016 No.3669418

>>3669347
so in that case is it really even worth it to hold out the time and money for a bvm? from what I understand the average pvm is about 800 lines, and the average bvm about 900, correct? are those extra 100 lines worth the few extra hundred dollars and added difficulties regarding moving and shipping? because if that's the case I think I may just go with a pvm and save a few hundred bucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 15:59:44 2016 No.3669434 >>3669418 pvms are typically 450-600, bvms are more in the 700-900 range. There's a pasta in OP, read it In current times, you should basically get what you can find, providing it's in good condition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:01:23 2016 No.3669436 >>3669379 You'll never to hack your driver for the right frequency.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:06:20 2016 No.3669445 >>3668448 Coury is a cool guy, he's got a great taste in games and actually uses a PVM often. The other guy is whateves though, I don't really care about him

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:11:08 2016 No.3669450 >>3669395 thx I'll give those a try. >>3669436 can you explain in laymans terms what you mean and why it matters?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:11:26 2016 No.3669451 >>3668429 >this anon is right. Do you feel betrayed now?

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:17:16 2016 No.3669462

>>3669418
For me I prefer the heavier build and extra options. Outright picture quality is secondary as anything from mid-range consumer sets upwards is perfectly adequate for retro gaming.

The build definitely helps when transporting. Any (typically ~10%) increase in weight is of no consequence when shipping on a pallet or collecting in person. These are the only two methods I'd recommend btw - don't be one of those guys who posts an youtube video only to reveal a thin cardboard box filled with polystyrene pellets, bubble wrap, newspaper and bits of PVM...

The extra tuning picture options will help you get it looking good and, more importantly, keep it that way. Comprehensive menu-based convergence adjustments, for example, take very little effort to master and will serve you extremely well over the lifetime of the unit.

Last of all you get many more input options with a BVM in the form of expansion slots and cards. Most parts are modular used too so swapping out any broken parts is greatly simplified in comparison to a PVM or consumer set.

In short, get a PVM if you just want to dip your toe in the water so to speak. However, the serious long-term option is always a BVM which won't be around at sensible money forever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:21:15 2016 No.3669465 is there an extron switcher that does composite and svideo? I use a consumer trinitron and I don't mod my consoles (not yet at least) so I don't need the RGB ones. I also need it to do audio

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:24:51 2016 No.3669469

>>3669451
The set accept RGB though, it's just that for whatever reasons his monitor is displaying the composite video signal instead of the RGB one, which is weird, because when in presence of RGB, even if there is composite video, the latter is only used as sync and it's RGB that is displayed, so when he said that he have issues with the red colors in composite, that means that there might be internal issues (unless he bought some chinkshit cables instead of the official ones/well made ones).

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:30:42 2016 No.3669483

>>3669469
Scart ?
remember that you need to apply 1-3v to pin16 for enabling RGB+sync. If not only composite will be displayed. Very few tvs can force rgb.
Some old monitors with a floppy connector (like those sony kx) also need to have a pin with voltage.
And yes, some cheap cables have nothing on pin 16

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:34:39 2016 No.3669497 >>3669469 >>3669451 >>3667619 You need 3v or more on pin 8 of the SCART to activate RGB. Otherwise the set will ignore it and just use composite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:36:38 2016 No.3669502 >>3669483 >>3669497 So the main lead (heh) is that he's either using chinese-made garbade or his cable has a bad contact?

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:38:19 2016 No.3669505
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>only CRT I still have is a 13-inch piece of shit from 2001
>I was messing around with it yesterday trying to see if my VCR still works and somehow it took itself off of "Game Mode" which is basically the "If you want to use any signal but RF this needs to be on" mode
>the only way to put it back on Game Mode is to use the remote and I haven't needed or seen the remote in 2 years because I never take it off of Game Mode in the first place
Any suggestions on what to do?

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:44:13 2016 No.3669513
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>>3669505
you can get a cheap universal remote for 10 bucks and look up the code for it for your model. That's what I did for a early 2000s toshiba and after trying a few codes and looking online I can now enter the service menu. Pic related is the one I got, you may be out of luck if your crt is too obscure I guess

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:44:20 2016 No.3669514 >>3669497 Wrong voltage. 1-3V are needed and must be able to drive a 75 ohms resistor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:46:46 2016 No.3669520 >>3669505 Universal remote or find the actual remote on ebay for the same price usually.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:47:50 2016 No.3669521

>>3669497
Pin 8 is for av switch. Needs 10-12v, newer sets use it also for widescreen switch, 5v for 16/9, 10/12v for 4/3. It's usually not a problem as you can manually switch to the AV channel.
Pin 16 is for RGB enable, needs 1-3v. Unlike av switch very few tvs can force RGB so it's absolutely required. Even SCART-HDMI converters enforce it.
>>3669502
yup

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:59:59 2016 No.3669542 File: 65 KB, 382x524, 1479854454519.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3669514 >>3669521 Ah, my bad. Thanks for the correction lads.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 17:02:26 2016 No.3669545

>>3669513
>>3669520
I was afraid of that...

Honestly if I'm going to buy anything it'll just be a new TV or the PVM meme, buying accessories for this piece of shit or even wasting time looking for the original remote doesn't feel worth it to me. I would honestly feel like I had wasted money buying a $15 dollar remote on ebay than spending $100 on a sub-16 inch PVM.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 17:12:06 2016 No.3669560 >>3669465 why not use a consumer grade switcher for comp and s-vid? you'll just pay out the ass for the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 17:16:30 2016 No.3669563 >>3669465 Extron MPS 112. Does composite, S-video & RGB/Component through dsub connectors, audio as well. Pretty cheap on eBay.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 17:18:51 2016 No.3669568

>>3665797
>>3667537
>>3667543
>>3667623
>>3665691
KVHR36fag here, you can't import them from Europe due to the fact we're in the Southern Hemisphere, our CRTs are hard-tuned for this unlike some PVM/BVMs that have a switches to compensate for hemisphere and east-west/north-south, you'll get SEVERE purity issues if it even works properly at all.

Absolutely no need for an upscaler (I was considering getting an old XRGB before I received the set) as the display's RGBHV RCA input automatically line-doubles 240p content correctly (you'll get extra lag in 480p) via Sync Strike or gscartsw, it essentially "becomes" a SCART input once you've split Sync into H/V.

I don't know of any PAL 4:3 CRTs that can do 480p outside of PVM/BVMs. AFAIK the 32" model of this TV has the EXACT same tube as the BVM-D32E1WU, which is literally the only logical step-up seeing as it's proper multisync and will give you the scanlines you desire, good luck getting one but.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 17:43:20 2016 No.3669625

>>3669465
the extron crosspoint which do up to RGBHV also do component, s-video and composite. If you ever want to use RGB in the future you will be sad to have picked one without it. Just make sure you get a crosspoint with audio, there are also some without audio. And also make sure you get some phoenix connectors and time to build cables.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 18:08:55 2016 No.3669667 >>3669465 Seconding this >>3669563 It's by far the easiest Extron to work with and pretty versatile so long as you don't want to split outputs or any of that fancy stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 18:15:58 2016 No.3669683 >>3669379 http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i 240p is possible by either using 240p at 120Hz or using 480p with a black line filter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 18:22:22 2016 No.3669703 Is it better to play PS1 games on a PS2 using s-video or component? They both produce a 240p image, correct?

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 18:47:22 2016 No.3669737

>>3669434
ahh I read the op but didn't understand what a lot of that was for, I'll check it all out now, thanks. and sorry for my negligence. the pasta about s-video with specific per console info will help immensely.

>>3669462
extremely helpful information. if quality is relatively the same on both models, but the bvm is more of a lifetime work horse I think I'll go with the pvm for now, solely because in a about a year or so I'll be moving to california where it's far easier to find these things and places to repair them and such. Might as well spend my time getting used to how the trinitrons work and adapting my setup to be all rgb/s-video on all my consoles. then once that's set drop the big coin on something I plan to keep for the rest of my life.

in terms of connections, from what I understand the P/BVMs take mostly bnc connections, which I still don't fully understand what those are, but those ins must have converters on them to convert them to rgb in order for consoles to be plugged into them via scart, correct?

currently, I have all 12 of my consoles hooked up to an rca switchbox and I just press a button and my picture is there on the screen. is there an equivalent to these for scart connection? the one I found apparently is only available to buy at random intervals throughout the year because one guy makes them for about 300 dollars. is that the only option?

I was reading the copypasta about rgb signals relative to specific console and it didn't seem to say anything about that, or which consoles were capable of rgb output through scart. I just want as many of my consoles as possible on the highest output quality possible into the P/BVM.

for what it's worth I have ps1, ps2, master system, genesis+cd/32x, saturn, dreamcast, super famicom, nes, gamecube, wii, xbox original, and plan to get a neo geo aes somewhere down the line after this entire setup is figured out.

sorry if I'm not being as resourceful as one should here folks.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 19:00:11 2016 No.3669764

>>3665419
a lot of pro crts have s video and composite inputsyou can plug an atsc tuner into it the same way you would a analog tv and watch digital broadcast.

And some people such as myself live in the end of nowhere. Shipping a crt is out of the question.

>>3665732
410lb of Mitsubishi and JVC. Started on a 20" sanyo. traded out a sony kv for the jvc. Picture isnt as sharp but 36" of real estate is nice and it matches my other set better. This is a correct list.
>>3665797
just get a component set and a shinybow sb-2840 or spend the extra and get a pro display

>>3666084
I agree but if I could find a 27"+ pro I would jump on it in a second.

>>3666123
Samsung SD 24", 2006
>>3668448
that fat guy makes me want to slit my wrists for even liking retro.
>>3668579
weird
>>3668663
Oh, it's a gay thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 19:32:21 2016 No.3669832 >>3669703 Component is better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 20:06:54 2016 No.3669874 >>3668797 http://stores.ebay.com/retroaccessories/ There you are mate, she makes the best cables, sadly out at the moment but keep checking

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 20:45:37 2016 No.3669979 >>3667860 Get better cables and turn down the contrast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 20:51:32 2016 No.3669991 >>3669979 but the cables are new, i got them from the store this anon just suggested actually >>3669874 messing with the contrast doesn't eliminate it anyway, just makes it more or less noticeable but it's still there

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 21:25:28 2016 No.3670038 >>3669991 Does similar content have the same symptoms on a different console such as the NES? If it does, I would suspect poor voltage regulation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 21:56:57 2016 No.3670070 >>3669703 Composite, as the developers intended

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 22:05:31 2016 No.3670083 >>3670070 No retard. Developers intended RF on a 1940s curved B&W TV. You lose the blended colors with composite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 22:25:48 2016 No.3670106 Are there any Nintendo SCART cables that work well for Gamecube? I've heard a lot of the 3rd party cables are fine for SNES but have problems with GC. (I'm talking PAL GC of course)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 23:10:58 2016 No.3670172 >>3670106 You can't use a pal snes scart cable for a gc. You need one specifically for gc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 23:23:43 2016 No.3670195 >>3670172 Thanks anon. Are the 1st party GC SCART cables the only way to go?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 23:32:53 2016 No.3670213 I just bought a Japanese PS1. My TV can take s-video. Should I bother hunting down one of the gray OEM PS1-era s-video cables? Do they have any benefit over the later PS3-era OEM s-video cables? Am I overthinking this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 23:53:21 2016 No.3670239 >>3670213 Why would PS1-era cables be better than PS3-era? Also yes you are absolutely overthinking this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:06:32 2016 No.3670261 >>3665321 Friendly reminder: SCART is a cable and not a format. Depending on the quality of the cable, you will get the same or better video quality than any other cable..

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:08:32 2016 No.3670265 >>3670261 >buy an scart cable >end up getting scart to bnc adapter >every time gee why not just go bnc from the get-go?

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:11:49 2016 No.3670269
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>>3666123
"beating" this is pointless. The inherent quality of a set is more dependent on it's original manufacturer and build quality, and more so how much wear and tear it has seen in its lifetime. A CRT that is 10 years older than yours may very well be better if it has seen less use, especially if you're talking industrial or computer monitors which accept higher quality video signals and are built to withstand long hours of use better than consumer CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:12:10 2016 No.3670271 >>3669445 Nah he's a whiny low test cuck who sounds like he gets fucked in the ass at a gay bar on the weekends. He probably plays most of his shit on his wife's Retron 5.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:12:30 2016 No.3670275 File: 159 KB, 1000x1000, BNC_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3670265 GOOD LUCK I'M BEHIND A RESISTOR AND A CAP and I'm probably 50 ohms as well

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:14:07 2016 No.3670279 >>3670265 Because back when I was building my retro setup, those weren't available. Are they now? And besides, if you don't already have the tools to make the cables yourself, it isn't nearly as cost effective as just buying the damn things.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:16:00 2016 No.3670282

>>3668448
You know, I like these guys. They come off as genuine nerds who just fucking love video games and every aspect of the technology involved in playing them. I get the feeling that even if youtube didn't exist, they would still be doing what they do in their free time, which is more than I can say for other "RETROGAMERZ"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:17:42 2016 No.3670283 >>3669560 Because I need a few more ports and the extron will fit nicely in my component stereo stack >>3669563 >>3669667 >>3669625 Thanks guys, the MPS 112 looks good, it even has regular RCA for audio and not those stupid other connectors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:27:35 2016 No.3670295 >>3670282 The Gameboy episode was great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:28:51 2016 No.3670298 >>3670271 >>>/r/4chan

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:29:14 2016 No.3670301 >>3670279 >Are they now? yea, and they are a bit more expensive than scart cables since it's usually a custom job

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 00:29:17 2016 No.3670302 >>3670283 Oh wait, I've got a quick question about the MPS 112. Will it convert composite to s-video or do I need to run an output for both? No worries if I have to, just wanna know before I buy so I can get my set-up ready.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 01:04:02 2016 No.3670364

>>3670295
Yeah. Wicked nostalgia trip. I was always a huge fan of portable gaming. I was researching this GB stuff 10 years ago before the retro gaming fad kicked in. I remember hunting for AGS-101 GBAs on ebay and getting them for super cheap because people generally gave zero shits about that stuff back then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 02:24:07 2016 No.3670476 Where do I get a Saturn s-video cable without paying a shit load of money? Are the cheap Retro-Bit cables okay?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 02:25:46 2016 No.3670481 >>3670476 Can't speak for the saturn cables, but the retro-bit are never okay.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 02:41:04 2016 No.3670507

>>3670476
Literally the issue I was about to post about. Like >>3670481 said, retro-shit is typically garbage so I'm avoiding them, but there seem to be very slim pickings. I missed a listing for some custom made ones but found these thick chinese cables. For some reason they only sell two at a time.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2Pcs-New-SS-Sega-Saturn-S-Terminal-AV-Cable-Saturn-S-Video-Cable/371616720654

Anyone think this is worth it? Seems pretty quality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 02:42:11 2016 No.3670509 >>3670301 where could I get these cables? There is nothing to concern myself when it comes to things like sync type? >>3670476 just get the cables from some well reviewed people on ebay or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 02:45:40 2016 No.3670515 >>3670507 >china you'll get it in 2-4 months. It may or may not work. If it doesn't work they'll send you more for free probably.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 03:44:10 2016 No.3670583 >>3670302 No it won't do any conversion

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 04:01:37 2016 No.3670602 >>3670476 Had a Japanese Saturn s-video cable imported for $25, works fine on US Saturn

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 04:24:41 2016 No.3670619 >>3669683 thx anon!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 10:27:01 2016 No.3670932 >>3670515 Nothing takes that long from China anymore. One month tops, probably 2-3 weeks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 11:10:56 2016 No.3671006 File: 2.26 MB, 4096x2304, IMG_20160724_203433.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2016 >still using a PVM what are you fags ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 11:21:04 2016 No.3671018 >>3671006 Some of us want to actually use consoles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 11:25:53 2016 No.3671028 File: 1.82 MB, 3280x2460, 1474507086478.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3671006 Oh look it's Mr IFOUNDANFW900INTHEWOODSANDCARTEDITHOMEINAWHEELBARROW. Hilarious. Enjoy your widescreen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 11:38:29 2016 No.3671061 >>3671006 Does it work with Dreamcast at least?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 11:41:01 2016 No.3671069 >>3669737 was wondering the same thing about how to actually get consoles hooked up the pvm. is it just a matter of getting composite cables for the consoles and the bnc to rgb adapters for the pvm or is it more difficult than that

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 11:47:31 2016 No.3671085 File: 1.53 MB, 2592x1944, IMG_20161208_221243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3671006 Aren't PVMs a bit blurrier? I honestly can't tell the difference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 12:04:09 2016 No.3671102 >>3671069 You need to sort your terminology out before asking questions like that. Read retrorgb.com top to bottom. All the answers are there.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 12:15:08 2016 No.3671118

Hey guys I've never posted in a CRT thread before but have been using them solely for my entire life. Was wondering if there was anything to do to fix scanlines and another problem my tv has is that there's almost invisible vertical lines that move back and forth on the tv and they sometimes come and go (same with the scanlines) but im not sure what these lines are called because they are faint and not the same as the scanlines

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 12:57:33 2016 No.3671185

>>3668448
I enjoy their content. Coury seems alright. The other guy is just really weird/cringy and like someone else said, makes me want to kill myself for liking retro.

His house has to be the biggest turn off for anyone that enters it. It's like the guy thinks he's 7 years old

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:01:46 2016 No.3671195

I don't have room for both an LCD and a CRT in my new apartment. My girlfriend likes using the TV for movies and such, and wants to watch them in HD. I know they're not suppose to be the best for retro, and they only do 720p and 1080i for HD resolutions, but is an HD CRT a reasonable compromise at all?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:02:51 2016 No.3671197 >>3671118 Google "jailbars", it sounds like that may be what you're seeing. Some consoles and hardware revisions are worse than others.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:05:58 2016 No.3671206 >>3671195 No. They cause the same scaling/lag issues as an HD LCD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:06:26 2016 No.3671208 >>3668682 >balding Gotta shave it anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:08:16 2016 No.3671212 >>3669081 Link? I've never found a seller on eBay.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:09:05 2016 No.3671214

>>3671185
>The other guy is just really weird/cringy
Am I the only one who isn't bothered by this? It feels natural. He's a fucking nerd, after all. He's not like one of those youtube celebs who is trying to cultivate an online persona. He admits he's not a good speaker and uses a teleprompter to simply get information across to you in the best way possible.

I find it way more cringy when other youtubers try and sound cool and casual and make shitty jokes or memes to get you to like/share/subscribe.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:09:16 2016 No.3671215

>>3671118

Also just realized you might be talking about general composite shittiness. Composite is shit in general, and some consoles like the NES are particularly unbearable if you don't have a comb filter to clean it up.

Try an emulator with blargg's NTSC filter and tell us if that's a similar look or not.

Also some video intereference can be caused by crappy third-party power adapters. If you're using one, throw it right in the garbage and buy an OEM original on ebay.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:12:01 2016 No.3671218

>>3671085
It's all relative, which people don't seem to understand. We're at the point where most CRTs, professional, consumer, or computer models are now 10+ years old, and have seen varying amounts of wear and tear. Any given unit could be more or less blurry than another, depending on how much abuse it's seen.

That said, computer monitors and PVM/BVMs are built to handle long hours more so than consumer sets, so there's that.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 13:18:54 2016 No.3671231

>>3671195

HD CRTs have lag, and still weigh a fucking shitload if you want one in a 2016-normie-friendly size.

If she's okay with 20" or 24" you could try to pick up a multiformat PVM. (They even make one at 32" if you've got a couple grand to blow). These will do HD with no lag.

Your best bet is to just get a 1080p LCD (not 4k, not samsung), put it in game mode, and grit your teeth. Most 5th gen stuff has a shitload of hardcoded lag/shit framerate to begin with so the added lag doesn't really matter. And if you sit far enough away the awful scaling isn't that noticeable.

8"/9" PVMs are cheap and work well for <= 4th gen stuff. Either set up a little nook in a corner somewhere or just keep it and a SFC stashed in a closet somewhere and bust it out for little 2hr sessions when she's at work/business trips etc. 14" PVMs are big enough that they start to feel like 'real' tvs but are quite a bit more expensive/harder to ship etc.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 14:01:28 2016 No.3671303

>>3671197
I actually meant to put diagonal not sure why I said vertical but that is what i meant. It's not even lines per say but faint bars and it makes my tv appear that it's constantly flickering.

>>3671215
I was wondering that too, but literally everything that i run through my tv it still maintains all the problems i mentioned above but they'll go away sometimes, but then come back just as strong. The picture isn't even that bad but it's aggravatingly annoying and a lot of times it makes it hard for me to enjoy the games or whatever else i'm watching.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 14:10:29 2016 No.3671321 File: 6 KB, 259x194, 5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3671303 Sounds like retrace lines to me

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Dec 11 14:28:08 2016 No.3671370

>>3671212
http://www.ebay.com/usr/retro_console_accessories

She de-lists her stuff on the weekends, but she does sell them. You may or may not need to actually request them specifically, but they are out there.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201611745371
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162165790360

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 14:29:32 2016 No.3671373
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A week ago I put up a Craigslist wanted ad paying up to $60 for any Trinitron VGA CRT
>zero replies

What am I doing wrong? No recyclers or scrappers in my area wants anything to do with CRTs anymore, shouldn't I have people lining up at my door? Or... have they finally gone extinct in the wild?

And no, there are none listed on local CL, free or otherwise. Just one silver Compaq flat-screen piece of shit and they want $30 for it. Plenty of Trinitron TVs though.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:09:00 2016 No.3671559

>>3671214
I should have prefaced by saying all youtubers are weird/cringy and pedophiles.

But absolutely, he knows who he is and seems very happy with his life. Maybe I'm just offput by his baby face but there's no excuse for making his house a wizards wet dream

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:09:50 2016 No.3671562 File: 1.46 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_1875.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >had PVM MD20 >use this old shitter >looks better. > no cancer causing humm and whine from the tube feelsgreatmon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:23:04 2016 No.3671575 >>3671559 >>3671214 >>3671185 Try is weird (I mean, he calls himself Try as in Triforce) but I prefer a guy who really doesn't care what people think over someone like Metal Jesus anyday.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:28:44 2016 No.3671579 >>3671006 How the fuck would anyone even use a console besides the Dreamcast on a monitor like that

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:32:54 2016 No.3671586
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>>3671373
People who know/care what a Trinitron VGA CRT aren't going to sell you one. People who have one recycle them, donate them, or list them as "old computer screen".

Don't post ads like that. Shit like that and pic related is pathetic and if anything drives prices up more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:37:24 2016 No.3671594 >>3671370 >de-lists on the weekends Well, this explains a fair bit. Curious, what's the advantage of going directly to BNC over a scart to bnc cable?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 16:49:47 2016 No.3671614 so does anyone know what the deal is with retro_console_accessories on ebay? when will she be selling stuff again

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 17:00:50 2016 No.3671637 >>3671614 read the thread before posting

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 17:29:40 2016 No.3671693 >>3671594 Less chance of interference, buy one cable instead of two, a BNC Matrix can be cheaper than a SCART switcher.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 17:34:11 2016 No.3671703 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-monitors/city-of-toronto/compaq-p110-21-inch-monitor-works-perfectly/1159581258?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true Should I get it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 17:46:59 2016 No.3671717 I spent last night trying to fix my geometry. It looks almost perfect now, except it bends inward on the bottom right side. What would be the best recommended way to fix this without messing up the geometry on the other corners?

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 18:15:39 2016 No.3671785

>>3671586
So, where do I even look? Recycling centers are out of the question as they've all been shut down. Every thrift store recycles them now. I drive around the neighborhood every Thursday before the garbage trucks come but I don't see anything.

I've searched on CL every combination of "old" "crt" "tube" "computer monitor" "old screen" a few times every week and when I do find anything it's at least a hundred miles away. I don't have a car which just fucks everything straight up to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 18:16:47 2016 No.3671786 >>3671195 Do you have the space for a small CRT?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 18:17:28 2016 No.3671790 >>3671785 >doesn't have a car >drives around the neighborhood Uuuuhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 18:24:05 2016 No.3671808 File: 1.52 MB, 1226x1630, 2016-12-11 16.23.24.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3671717 Here's a photo. The other side looks fine.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 18:45:38 2016 No.3671846

>>3671785
So what does your city do with electronic waste, just throw it in the trash?

Facebook buy and sells, thrift stores before they open and as they close, yard sales. Forget "crt" "tube". Look up "monitor" and "screen", but if you don't live in a city that has them, it might not happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 19:02:00 2016 No.3671890 >>3671579 XRGB-3 or OSSC.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 19:46:50 2016 No.3671995

>>3671785
What country do you live in?

Here in the states, I search for either 'Trinitron' or 'Sony 36' and have nabbed 2 KV-36FV310s in the last month. I have seen literally hundreds of other CRTs listed though, and had to drive hundreds of miles each way for the ones I got.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 19:50:36 2016 No.3672006 >>3671890 The framemeister can output composite to VGA?

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:21:51 2016 No.3672047

>>3669874

you guys are just fucking shills for this whore who is cashing in big on this ridiculous fad.

unless you have the money to get a brand new in the box BVM you are buying a VERY used monitor that was probably used to show images of someones bowels or used for months on end with no breaks for security personnel.

if they worked so damn well. why are they still not with nasa? or medical facilities?

and please dont try to brag that you got it for cheap....they arnt even worth the strain of picking these hunks up. cant afford a new one? cant afford a framemiester? then you are settling...which is funny because according to many on this board that's the main goal is it not? to get a piece of archaic technology for the BEST gaming experience on the retro console?

>muh geometry is off

if you just used RF on a piece of shit it wouldn't even have that issue.

> I opened up the CRT to tweak the tube

seriously? like why? it came from the manufacturer/user perfectly calibrated. something obviously went wrong. (why it's for sale maybe? hmmm??)

>some cunt on ebay keeps running out of BNC/RCA/scart cables
wow.. you dont say? shes probably on vacation laughing at this board.

I get it, it's a hobby but is this honestly where you want your money going? THE FUCKING THINGS DONT EVEN HAVE SPEAKERS

this thread used to have all sorts of CRT TV's and I thought it was kinda nifty but then of course because of a few Youtube fags and trolls all this board is about is

muh PVM
SCART
BNC
hardly any images of anyone even playing on the sets they have. and I imagine they dont even play games...just turn on some obscure "rare" game snap a picture of the demo screen and return to 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:26:08 2016 No.3672059 File: 26 KB, 630x342, 1421330971296.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >3672047

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:27:19 2016 No.3672061 >>3672047 How sour are your grapes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:36:22 2016 No.3672073 >>3672061 >got a framemeister, so.... and even Phonedork the main contributor to this gay fad admits it is the best way to enjoy your retro games... and it fits in my bag when I travel so any tv in the hotel becomes BVM equivalent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:37:12 2016 No.3672078 >>3671373 Why are you so desperate for a PC CRT?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:40:10 2016 No.3672082 File: 999 KB, 2688x1520, IMAG0019.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672078 Because they're fucking awesome m8

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:41:15 2016 No.3672084 >>3672082 For everything except retro

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun Dec 11 20:46:02 2016 No.3672093 >>3672082 >that power cable spaghetti Holy shit please kill me.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:46:14 2016 No.3672094

>>3672073

I don't know who "Phonedork" is, but I do know that I've been using CRTs for my entire life and got my first professional monitor (XM29) long before this board existed. I honestly don't care about what you use, so I don't understand why you seem to care so much about what other people use. I'll stick with the "sour grapes" theory unless you give me another reasonable reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:49:26 2016 No.3672103 File: 793 KB, 2048x1520, IMAG0449.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672084 Looks pretty good to me >>3672093 It's got a lot worse since I added a ViewSonic G90f and PVM-2950. I can't really into cable management...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:51:39 2016 No.3672107 >>3672103 >ermulators You could do the same on an LCD

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 20:52:34 2016 No.3672109 >>3672094 Sourgrapes over not having a PVM? They're on eBay for half the price of a framemeister

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun Dec 11 21:02:13 2016 No.3672123 >>3672103 Velcro is your best friend.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 21:05:38 2016 No.3672130

>>3671846
There's one center left that opens up once a month. But they have cameras and signs everywhere and all the stuff they get is walled up.

>>3671995
Chicago suburbs. Like I said there's a good amount of those FD Trinitron TVs. But close to zero computer monitors.

>>3672078
I'll never find a PVM or BVM, or any professional/broadcast monitor for that matter, so I just want something relatively easy to obtain that I can use for retro PC stuff/emulators/Dreamcast.

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:02:59 2016 No.3672245

>>3672047
I'm gonna bite and try to address some of these legitimately.

>if they worked so damn well. why are they still not with nasa? or medical facilities?
The answer to this should be real fucking obvious. They've upgraded to more modern equipment.

>if you just used RF on a piece of shit it wouldn't even have that issue.
I'd rather have not-so-good geometry than use RF. Have some fucking standards.

>it came from the manufacturer/user perfectly calibrated. something obviously went wrong. (why it's for sale maybe? hmmm??)
Like the calibration being thrown off due to external circumstances? There's a million and one reasons that a set would need recalibrating.

>THE FUCKING THINGS DONT EVEN HAVE SPEAKERS
They have mono sound. My PVM certainly does. If you're nitpicky over picture enough to buy a PVM, you're probably buying your own speakers, too.

>>3672073
Framemeister is garbage for PS1 games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:08:48 2016 No.3672253 >>3672245 >Framemeister is garbage for PS1 games. lol

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:19:26 2016 No.3672267

>>3672253
Framemeister doesn't handle resolution changes that well. A good number of PS1 games change resolution going from title screens to gameplay, or in-between gameplay and menus. You have to admit it makes the library a bit of a minefield on the framemeister.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:24:28 2016 No.3672274 >>3672267 Or you could play those games on a PS2 and have zero problems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:31:09 2016 No.3672282 >>3672274 >PS2 Pretty sure PS2 still suffers the same issue when playing PS1 games. I really hope you didn't mean PS3, because there are a lot of PS1 games that run like shit on PS3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:31:35 2016 No.3672284 File: 366 KB, 638x480, realghostbusters.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672047 Can't find a PVM in your area, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:42:50 2016 No.3672296 >>3672282 It doesn't, or at least my slim doesn't. Not sure about the fat one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:45:18 2016 No.3672298 >>3672296 I have a slim, it still changes resolutions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:46:21 2016 No.3672304 >>3672298 Mine doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:46:38 2016 No.3672305 >>3672107 >You could do the same on an LCD Why are you even here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:48:07 2016 No.3672306 File: 1.28 MB, 1440x2560, IMG_20161122_230556416.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's an up close of Earthbound zero displayed on my commodore 1802 monitor via composite. I love shadowmasking

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:49:07 2016 No.3672307 >>3672304 It does, you probably just don't notice it. When running PS1 games on a PS2 it's running naitively on PS1 hardware for all intents and purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:51:43 2016 No.3672310 Threadly reminder: PVMs are for fags who watch YouTubers like mylifeingaming.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:54:53 2016 No.3672317 >>3672307 No, it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 22:58:16 2016 No.3672319 File: 42 KB, 403x443, 1479900500872.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672310

Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:01:18 2016 No.3672324

>>3672317
Yes, it does.
When operating in PS1 mode, the PS2 uses it's I/O processor, a MIPS R3000A, which is the same processor as in the PS1 as the primary processor. It uses the Emotion Engine chip as a sort of enhanced graphics pipeline, but operation in PS1 mode is functionally identical to an actual PS1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:01:51 2016 No.3672325 >>3672324 No, it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:05:10 2016 No.3672327 >>3672325 Okay, do you have any counterargument besides 'No,it doesn't'? It's pretty common knowledge that PS1 games are run on actual PS1 hardware contained within the PS2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:06:13 2016 No.3672330 >>3672327 No, it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:08:23 2016 No.3672332 >>3672305 Because I use CRTs to their advantages, not arbitrarily.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:08:50 2016 No.3672335 File: 36 KB, 375x375, louie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which one of you is paying $1,800 for a BVM? www.ebay.com/itm/192045800313?_trksid=p2060353

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:10:29 2016 No.3672336 >>3672327 He dosent have a counter argument. He shit his brain pants and had to resort to shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:11:15 2016 No.3672338 >>3672335 >1000 line You know, a lot of CRT projectors have over 2000 lines of resolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 23:25:35 2016 No.3672352 File: 44 KB, 633x758, IMG_1039.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672335 >falling for the rgb meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 00:51:36 2016 No.3672476 >>3672352 >highest quality analog video signal is a meme Keep telling yourself that, kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 01:00:37 2016 No.3672489 >>3672307 if you have a modchip, every ps1 game runs in 480i

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 01:07:17 2016 No.3672507 >>3672489 Whaaaat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 01:10:12 2016 No.3672510 >>3672507 on ps2, it is what I saw. With every brand I installed, messiah, matrix, crystal...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 01:35:17 2016 No.3672537 >>3672332 I consider no sample-and-hold blur to be a pretty big advantage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 01:55:31 2016 No.3672564 >>3671370 I just wish they were cheaper, it's way to hard to justify it if I can just buy two cables.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:00:29 2016 No.3672568

>>3672335
Paying more than 100 bucks for a monitor which price have been depreciated at 100% by the business that owned it, and thus is illegual for them to resell without getting taxed to death is already something, but now this is a whole new level. I hope those kind of prices don't start to appear in my country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:05:36 2016 No.3672575 >>3672568 It's "worth" whatever someone will pay for it. That said I've never shelled out more than 100 bucks (equivalent) for any of my CRTs and I have some of the best available. Prices in the US are a joke though, I'll give you that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:07:55 2016 No.3672578 >>3672568 it's actually worthless for retro, but still usable for hd production, so the price isn't completely mad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:12:07 2016 No.3672582 File: 45 KB, 537x416, scsdfsdfs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672476 but its too expensive

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Dec 12 02:14:26 2016 No.3672586

>>3672564
You're not wrong. I plan to move to direct BNC cables at some point, but am probably going to wait until I can either source and make the cables myself, or modify consoles to just use a standard HD-15 cables and buy some shielded HD15 to 5BNC cables at a tenth of her asking price.

Mainly just want to be able to use an Extron Crosspoint to deal with all the different monitors I have.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:14:57 2016 No.3672587
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>>3672284
already own 2 an FM1U and an MD20 they have nice fat scanlines but BNC connectors and dealing with some dumb whore on ebay who cant even properly insulate her wires isnt worth it. this ISNT THE PVM BVM Thread it's the CRT thread that's all im saying! its the same newfags day in and day out echo-chambering the same opinions again and again. >waaah! I cant find one for less than 100 dollars
>waaah my geometry is off
> or even worse the neckbeards "showing off" thier crappy ass MD20's as if they were BVM's
picture quality worse than a consumer trinitron or even a santo RF setup
I used my childhood tv, fell for the stupid meme ass blasted from this board posted some actually nice pics and then was able to afford a Framemiester and I relaized that unless my BVM was unused I was settling. Good day and good luck

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:15:00 2016 No.3672589

>>3672575
>>3672578
>It's "worth" whatever someone will pay for it.
That's not how it works though.
The dude most likely recovered it for free (businesses and studios give them away most of the time). How much work did he put in it? How much did he have to pay in transport? If it was some businesses that rehabilitate these sets it would have been okay to shell more than 100 bucks on equipment that have been tuned, cleaned and pampered. But most of the time the people who sell them do fuck all and still expect you to pay a big price something they got for free, like they're some sort of commercial agents or something.
I've never paid more than 50€ for an old monitor (PVM included) and most of the time it doesn't even goes above 10€. These several hundred prices that I see here are alway making me wonder how did these people come up with such prices.
>>3672582
>RGB is expensive

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:18:28 2016 No.3672593

>>3672589
i dunno man, 500+ for a pvm thats larger than a few inches, then all the money it costs to get cables and do the mods seems pretty expensive to me

I guess you could cut alot of it out by making your own but that still takes a ton of time when I could just plug it in via s-video on my consumer trinitron and have a good time

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:18:39 2016 No.3672594

>>3672578
It's not worthless for retro. Granted, not ideal given the widescreen format but this isn't a consumer HD set we're talking about. It will display standard def as perfectly as any other BVM/PVM with no upscaling or lag.

I'll give you that it still has use in commercial applications though. That will definitely keep the price buoyant.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:21:38 2016 No.3672601

>>3672589
I still get emails from DOTmed
BVM's and nec'S are only truly necessary for hobbyist and those who wish to smoothly make a nice Computer emulation setup for those nice scan lines. thats the only thing I can think of... if you can honestly say that a nice 36" (GOOD LUCK affording a BVM that size) JVC Mitsubishi or panasonic set with S- video is a lesser choice when compared to a 20 inch BVM I just cant agree- it's just silly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:21:48 2016 No.3672603 >>3672589 >>3672593 >>3672594 that particular bvm only does 54khz and above. it's literally made for hd, that's why it's still very valuable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:23:36 2016 No.3672605 File: 16 KB, 236x295, 8beebf32b50bb778f6b9f382503dd496.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672589 >That's not how it works though I think you'll find it is though

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:25:15 2016 No.3672606 >>3672593 >>3672601 >PVMs & BVMs are the only way to use RGB and stuff.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:29:43 2016 No.3672615

>>3672606
Okay listen up buddy, you know exactly the kind of RGB I'm talking about. I'm aware that consumer Wegas with rgb transcoders to use over component exist and there's also (sometimes) cheaper mitsubishi monitors and other brands. So cut the smartass greentext shit out because you know exactly the type of RGB set-ups I'm referring to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:30:52 2016 No.3672617 >>3672603 By Jove you're right! Sorry, at a glance it looked like a standard BVM-24 and I thought only the HDM line was HD-only. Every day's a school day.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:37:16 2016 No.3672621

>>3672615
I'm being a smartass to laugh at stupid meme-spewer like you who claim that RGB setups are expensive when I got a 10 buck Sony TV with SCART input?
And noI don't know what kind of RGB you're talking about, all I saw is your "RGB is too expensive" whinning.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 02:42:23 2016 No.3672627

>>3672621
I dunno if you knew, but SCART was not available on consumer sets in the states, so it's definitely not as easy as finding some random Sony TV for 10 dollars. You guys got lucky, but for the rest of us, getting RGB costs a lot of money and time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 03:17:07 2016 No.3672664 Is perfect geometry possible or are the edges always going to have those bends and dips? I'm a perfectionist, so this is driving me crazy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 03:19:40 2016 No.3672671 File: 1.06 MB, 287x206, jazzclub_nice.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672664 See you in the asylum then

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 03:22:13 2016 No.3672674 >>3672671 I just need somebody to give me the truth. The truth will set me free and allow me to just enjoy what I have.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Dec 12 03:25:53 2016 No.3672679

>>3672674
"Perfect Geometry" and "CRT" are two things that you can never use the in the same sentence. You might get it almost perfect, but never exact. This is one of the things fixed resolution displays will always have over CRT; Perfect Geometry and Convergence.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 03:26:39 2016 No.3672680

>>3672621
If you want it to not be shit on a ntscu ypbpr set the only good option is a shinybow sb-2840.
~$80 for the transcoder and interconnect
~$40/ea for coax shielded rgb cables

Only other ots option is hd retrovision cables limiting you to SNES/64(modded). SMS/GEN/32X/CD/32x, TG16/PCE (via db grafx booster)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XF9Ghq

oem and good coax s-video cables can be had for $20 or less and plug right in. RGBS is best but Y/C is good enough for some and I agree with it not being worth the upgrade for people that have existing multi console y/c setups.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 03:32:01 2016 No.3672683

>>3672679

Okay, thank you. Mine looks pretty good right now, but I keep feeling the need to go back and tweak, which I want to just accept it how it is and stop doing.

What's strange is that I've had many CRTs in my life, and all of them had MUCH worse geometry than what I have now, but it never bothered me until I started coming here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 05:25:10 2016 No.3672758 >>3672335 I'm buying it to play Mario Maker

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 05:31:34 2016 No.3672762
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>>3672758
YOU MONSTER

What sort of superwide resolution would you need to reach 54kHz though? 240x3840 gets you to the 31kHz region so would one need to double the horizontal or what?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Dec 12 07:45:58 2016 No.3672849 >>3671208 I buzz my head now, never went full skinhead though considered it. Thankfully I have a decent beard to even things out.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 08:49:19 2016 No.3672886

How much would I have to pay for one of those HD CRT computer monitors? Like the thing Doom was programmed on? And where would I find one / what would I call it (if I knew what they were called, I might have an easier time finding one).

Also, were they rear-projection or aperture grille? Would SNES games look any good on one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 08:56:13 2016 No.3672892 >>3672886 I have a Tulip monitor that can go up to 1920*1440 and that I got for 000€. Otherwise most of the ads of good quality PC monitors I see range from 5 to 20€.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 09:01:19 2016 No.3672895 File: 1.29 MB, 3913x1859, warioland 2 1st boss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:08:25 2016 No.3672941
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>>3672892
Wow, that's a lot lower than the prices I'm seeing online for Sony FW900s (no doubt the responsibility of the Sony meme). How would I go about finding the types of ads you're seeing? Craigslist? And are there any common brands/models to look for? sorry for asking to be spoonfed, but I'm having zero luck finding any info at all about these fuckers

And do monitors of this style display scanlines well, or are they like WEGAs, where you don't really get scanlines?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:23:38 2016 No.3672951 File: 1.55 MB, 4096x3072, P_20160716_043115.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672941 you get some sort of scanlines with 480p, but that's because fw900 is stupid sharp

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:24:54 2016 No.3672953 File: 2.77 MB, 4096x3072, P_20160428_063015-.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672951 and if you emulate at 120hz you also get stupid sharp scanline effect

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:47:18 2016 No.3672968

>>3672953
That looks fucking sexy. What emulator are you using? And as far as color and brightness, how would you say the FW900 is?

I have an autistic fascination with bright, vivid, beautiful monitors with big fat scanlies crossing them, and I'm split between the PVM-20 and the FW900. Which do you think would satisfy my autism the best (I mostly plan to emulate NES and MAME, but also a little SNES and Genesis, all with CRTemudriver)? Thanks for the answers so far btw.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:55:44 2016 No.3672972

>>3672968
sonic 2 was with retroarch but RA UI is an absolute piece of shit. I heard they changed it but I didn't retry. You also need to create the 120hz resolution in GPU control panel.

1st is steam King of fighters 2002 unlimited match running at 640x480. Note that if you used winxp, you can access 320x240 resolution, I've seen some vids on doing this for arcade cabinets that integrate a pc

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:57:23 2016 No.3672973 File: 1.29 MB, 4000x3000, Mad Martimax.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672953 as for the FW900 image quality, it's mindblowing. Pics don't do justice on how great everything looks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 10:58:32 2016 No.3672975 File: 1.79 MB, 4096x2304, P_20160527_154636.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672973

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 11:03:17 2016 No.3672978 File: 2.30 MB, 3264x2448, P_20161108_151041_vHDR_On.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3672953 Very nice, this is on Saturn (sonic Jam) on a bvm d14-h5u. Camera (zenfone3) fucks with the picture, but it's hard to photograph CRTs anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 11:11:53 2016 No.3672983 >>3672978 >zenfone3 heh, I have the selfie, it does okayish, but at least I can set shutter, unlike my old S3 and my canon camera

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 11:14:28 2016 No.3672986
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>>3672983
the phone is great otherwise, although my provider doesn't fully support it (got a taiwanese/global model) so I get 3G+ at best...still, it's a fantastic phone, and the camera works very well just CRTs...it doesn't capture them right, even with all the processing off. Like every picture is twice as vibrant in person, but it works.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 11:41:45 2016 No.3673015

>>3672973
>>3672972

I saw some redditors saying the late-model Trinitron colors were dull. Are they just being redditors as usual (ie: dumb and wrong)?

And since they're both Trinitron-based, would you say the brightness of a BVM and an FW900 are comparable?

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 12:03:02 2016 No.3673038

>>3673015
What I stubled on mine is that, having not being powered for a long time (seller told 8 years !), on first try colors and brightness where completely wrong. However, there's a procedure to fix that, you have to leave it on for 1/2 hour, then an option will be available to recalibrate automatically.

As for trinitron in general, when I hoped back into the crt train, I went first with a phillips flat, then a sony flat (both 29"), so I know what the jump from shadow mask to aperture is, brightness and contrast increase are immediately apparent. The phillips wasn't bad but the grille benefits are clearly noticiable.

I can't compare to a comparable sized and recent bvm, I only have a 14 curved bvm. FW900 is probably on par with bvms.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 12:57:29 2016 No.3673180 >>3672941 >Wow, that's a lot lower than the prices I'm seeing online for Sony FW900s That's because those are non-american prices.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 13:34:33 2016 No.3673249

>>3671215
>Composite is shit in general, and some consoles like the NES are particularly unbearable if you don't have a comb filter to clean it up.

Is there such thing as an external comb filter box to clean up the picture on composite consoles?

How much do they improve the image?

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 13:50:36 2016 No.3673272

>>3673038
Thanks, that's all been really helpful info. Did the color problem look anything like this listing (http://m.ebay.com/itm/Sony-FD-Trinitron-GDM-FW900-24-CRT-Vintage-Gaming-Computer-Monitor-/222285263424)) or does it look like there's something more wrong with this?

>>3673249
I don't know the answer to your question, but what's the opposition to RGB-modding your consoles?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:08:14 2016 No.3673297 >>3673272 That overall fuzziness, lack of black level and visible retrace lines are a known problem with FD Trinitrons of that era and fairly easy to fix.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:08:27 2016 No.3673298

>>3673272
Not that guy, but I have issues with RGB modding the NES. Basically, RGB modding the NES is crazy because it was never designed to have a defined color palette. If you're just shoving an FPGA into your NES, you might as well emulate or buy a RetroUSB AVS or something. I'm cool with RGB on everything that supports it, but composite is really the only way to play authentic NES/Famicom, regardless of whether it looks great or not. Now if you have a Sharp Titler or Playchoice-10, that's awesome, but tearing those apart for their PPUs is not awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:10:29 2016 No.3673304 >>3673272 as far as I can remember, it looked pretty much like this Overblown brightness, retrace lines visible. On regular monitors this is fixed by tweaking the G2 pot, but on FW900 it's done with the method I described.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:12:44 2016 No.3673307 >>3673298 >emulate lag >AVS problems with EDN8 on latest fw and famicom support looks like a last minute afterthought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:14:13 2016 No.3673309 >>3673297 is it just dead caps? And I'm tempted to jump at it. $170 plus labor is cheap in burgerland. Should I? If I plan to do it someday anyway, will the price ever be lower?

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:23:00 2016 No.3673328

>>3673304
You've temporarily masked the problem but the screen grid is still overloaded and rapidly cooking the tube. You need to reset the G2 voltage using WinDAS before it dies.

>>3673309
No, though a recap can't hurt. Google "Sony WinDAS" for the correct solution. It's not a big deal to do it. After all, I managed just fine.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:29:57 2016 No.3673338

>>3673307
I don't disagree with your points and thank you for mentioning the EDN8 issues, I will not be buying an AVS now... The AV Famicom has a solid composite out by composite standards, and the colors will be correct, so if you're playing on a good CRT I don't see the reason for going through the effort/cost of RGB modding one.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:35:49 2016 No.3673343
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>>3673338
I understand complains about palettes, but it's blown out of proportions, even more now with alt palettes existing.
I despise composite, even more when it's used with burst offset. Only looks marginally better and artifacts everywhere if it's not synchronised to scrolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:44:35 2016 No.3673363 File: 778 KB, 1400x933, IMG_3098.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I mean, look at this shit... And it's not even a tall cart like Madara... And the teardown by kevtris showed other design problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:51:15 2016 No.3673376 >>3673363 I never realized Takeshi was suppose to be looking up from the Famicom before. So no Famicom cart fits properly in it?

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:51:54 2016 No.3673378

>>3673343
I am not like a huge palette purist, I just am totally cool with the Famicom's composite out and I think it's kind of terrible to mod consoles beyond what they were capable of doing. Practically every other retro console does RGB natively, just leave the poor Famicom alone is my personal thought. composite modding RF-only units (when done tastefully) is another story...
>>3673363
And yeah, that shit sucks. I'll have to check out the kevtris video, I was on the fence but I'm just trying to get a more size appropriate PVM I can just plug my AV FC into and call it a day instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 14:54:22 2016 No.3673382 >>3673376 No, the door will always lay on top of the cartridge. It's definitely designed with the NES in mind.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 15:05:05 2016 No.3673401

Anyone else here just use composite or s-video when you can, or have you all moved on to the expensive monitors? I dunno if I can justify it, and I have a 32 inch consumer Trinitron from my childhood that I still use. RGB definitely looks amazing, but I'm okay with even composite, after all, that's how I remember the games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 15:10:02 2016 No.3673415 >>3673401 Yes, people do. There's nothing wrong with Trinitron + s-video. You won't have much to contribute to this thread though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 15:11:06 2016 No.3673417 >>3673401 I only use comp and s-video, personally.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 15:27:08 2016 No.3673443
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Amiga 1080 owner here. It has an RGB input in the form of a 10 Pin D-Sub. I was thinking instead of making cables for every console I want, would it be easier to just make a D-Sub 10 to RGB Scart adapter, then just purchase the SCART cables for each console I need? Would only be hooking up SNES, Genny, and Saturn probably.

I'm also still on the hunt for some Saturn S-Video cables for my trinitron. Now I found these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-High-Quality-S-Video-Cable-Brand-New-/112218327043

They look well shielded, but they're also from Hong Kong. Do you guys think it's worth waiting a month for? Would I be better off requesting a custom made one by retrogameaccessories or someone like that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 15:33:22 2016 No.3673453 >>3673443 I have a similar cable for snes (same breakout shape) and it's a piece of shit. It is correctly wired, but wires are way too thin to do proper shielding. As a result it'll have checkerboard pattern.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 15:35:34 2016 No.3673458

>>3673443
That seller seems shady as fuck.
>over 2 weeks from payment to dispatch
>oh boy, you missed your window to raise a claim with eBay/PayPal over the shitty cable you received/didn't receive? Too bad, Fuck you. I've got big boy Yankee dorrah to spend on chicken feet lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 16:22:35 2016 No.3673525 >>3673443 >They look well shielded Just based on thickness?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 19:06:23 2016 No.3673775 File: 211 KB, 1242x2208, toshiba5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I found a dude on Craigslist selling this for $10. I just want it to play my old consoles, inclusing PSX and PS2

>>	Sonic Mon Dec 12 19:08:27 2016 No.3673780 >>3673775 Does the dvd / tapes work

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 19:24:06 2016 No.3673831 >>3673780 The dude says the VCR works fine, but the DVD player is a little bit unreliable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 19:26:46 2016 No.3673837 >>3673775 You could do a lot better

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 19:31:39 2016 No.3673851 >>3673775 4/10 but enjoy playing it

Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Mon Dec 12 20:32:21 2016 No.3673928

>>3673775
>>3673831
Toshiba's are pretty great if you can't find/ don't want to pay for a Trinitron. Look for late model ones like the 20af41 they pop up a lot in thrift stores. They usually have on S-Video and Composite >20. 20 inches and up usually have component video as well which is nice for running a modded Wii or retrocabled SNES.

Stay away from ones with built in VCR/DVD players. All they do is add a metric fucktonne of unnecessary weight and are much harder to repair than a dedicated unit.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:50:59 2016 No.3673951
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Anyone heard of a Samsung SMC monitor? Someone near me is selling one for $30 and need something to replace my horrible magnavox CRT. Would I be able to connect my consoles to its connectors?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 20:52:44 2016 No.3673956 >>3672972 >but RA UI is an absolute piece of shit What's wrong with RGUI? Seems like the perfect CRT UI...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:22:12 2016 No.3673986 File: 39 KB, 540x900, toshiba4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I finally found an HD CRT in my area. Rate.

Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Mon Dec 12 21:28:05 2016 No.3674000

>>3673951
It's a CCTV monitor. I wouldn't recommend old CCTV or security monitors since by their nature they were usually on 24/7 and usually don't have a fantastic picture because they didn't need to. I'd say keep looking, I got my pvm for $40.

>>	Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Mon Dec 12 21:30:04 2016 No.3674004 >>3673986 Great for seventh gen forward. I have a later version of that TV. Hope you had help lifting it or your back is going to hate you for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:41:17 2016 No.3674025 $10 I this good for ps1, ps2 and SNES?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:42:19 2016 No.3674026 File: 40 KB, 960x540, panasonic1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674025 Forgot picture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:42:58 2016 No.3674027 >>3674025 $10 is a great price for all three of those consoles assuming they work, but this is the CRT thread.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Dec 12 21:44:39 2016 No.3674030 >>3674027 >>3674026 He was referring to the monitor with the cobwebs I think duder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:45:22 2016 No.3674034 File: 1.83 MB, 3840x2160, IMG_20161212_204246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I got this baby at a garage sale for $3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:52:23 2016 No.3674045 >>3673443 Is Amiga like a high quality crt monitor?

Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Mon Dec 12 21:53:37 2016 No.3674047

>>3674026
Model number? Run it through the 240p test suite and see how the geometry is holding.

>>3674034
Check the geometry for sure. If it's a later one and had S-Video do a comparison of you can between that and the Composite. A lot of TruFlats have issues with being very yellow/green tinted on Composite, or waaaaaaay over bright on S-Video. you're not losing out for three dollars and it's definitely a start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 21:56:49 2016 No.3674054 >>3674047 Extremely new to this board, first time poster. Is there a sticky or can you elaborate on that? >geometry Also, I'm gonna use it for original Xbox/emulation on OXBOX on it. So I can probably work around the brightness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:31:01 2016 No.3674092 File: 1.57 MB, 2464x1632, JCH_5907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just got my new PVM-5041Q from another anon on this board, incredibly happy with it. Geometry, convergence, everything is spot on and tack sharp with this thing.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:33:19 2016 No.3674096
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>>3674092
The actual picture is much sharper than the pic would make it seem, I think my camera wants to focus on the cover glass rather than the actual tube.

It's made me realize how much adjustment my PVM-20M2MDU needs. It's seriously lacking in the convergence department.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:37:03 2016 No.3674106 File: 1.63 MB, 2464x1632, JCH_5918.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674092 >>3674096 N64 cart for scale. It's pretty tiny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:40:01 2016 No.3674112 File: 721 KB, 3000x2000, 1427309072588.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674106 I think at this point a PSP Go might be the better option. It's cute though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:42:04 2016 No.3674117 File: 79 KB, 512x368, 1476500626206.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674092 >>3674096 >>3674106 >>3674112 The precum is already leaking.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:43:14 2016 No.3674121

>>3674112
I do have a PSP Go and all the associated accessories, lol...

I Have a thing for small CRT's, though. I've got a bunch of modified camcorder CRT's, 1/2" and some 1" models, an 8" PVM, 8" consumer trinitron, and the 5041Q, which has been on my list for a while now. I'm currently on the lookout for a Color Watchman, even though I don't believe Sony made the tubes. I've got a composite modified black and white watchman as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:44:17 2016 No.3674124 >>3674092 >>3674096 Is there a reason why nobody wants to calibrate it so all the red squares are contained and visible?

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:50:32 2016 No.3674138
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>>3664775
I have a giant Toshiba and a Magnavox already, sorry I don't have pics on my phone but my beo left this TV in his closest.

My folks are talking about throwing it away but I think it might be better than my Magnavox

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:52:00 2016 No.3674142 File: 145 KB, 640x480, 20161204_173932.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674138 And the inputs I'll try and get pics of the other 2 TV'S when I can

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:52:00 2016 No.3674143

>>3674124
That's the 'overscan' region, in theory nothing of importance should be inside the red area, therefore it's not neccesary for them all to be on screen. I tend to push them off a bit because i want the 'active' area to be bigger, and if i shrink the image down to where they are all visible some geometry issues come up that are difficult to fix.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 22:53:49 2016 No.3674148 >>3674142 I just noticed Did a connector break off in the 1st yellow hole?

Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Mon Dec 12 22:56:37 2016 No.3674158
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>>3674054
>First post
Welcome!

>pic related
Geometry the short version

Playing something like link to the past will make geometry issues very obvious with a shimmer or bulging effect as things pass certain areas of the screen.

It usually isn't too bad unless something is veeeerrrry wrong with the tv.

If you are just doing emulation i recommend picking up a Wii (white with the gamecube ports) super simple to set up and they make great emulation machines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:08:57 2016 No.3674184 File: 1.47 MB, 2464x1632, JCH_5919.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Some more shots

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Dec 12 23:09:42 2016 No.3674185 >>3674092 I'm glad you like the 5041q. If anyone is interested in some 8 inch monitors, I have a few available.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:11:31 2016 No.3674190 >>3674185 5041q guy here Which models in particular? I've got a PVM-8041Q but it's in pretty bad shape, some front panel buttons are missing and the RGB inputs don't work.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Mon Dec 12 23:13:37 2016 No.3674192 >>3674190 Mostly 8042s. I have a smattering of 41 and 44s. I put a full list up earlier in this thread of my collection. I'm selling any I have dupes of.

>>	Toshibro !!tBK9lr9o6FR Mon Dec 12 23:17:24 2016 No.3674206 >>3674192 What's your usual running price with shipping? I have an eight but Id love to see what you have

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:18:19 2016 No.3674209 >>3674192 Would love to have an HR 8" set but not really a priority right now. Hoping to find a 14" soonish.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:26:06 2016 No.3674220

>>3674184
Das pretty cool, anon. Small PVMs like that seem relatively cheap. I keep thinking about picking one up to daisy-chain it to my bigger one just for shits. Or maybe to make a secondary setup on my nightstand so I can play games before going to bed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:27:21 2016 No.3674226 >>3674220 That sounds max comfy. I'll have to dig out the other TinyTrons from storage so I can get a group pic.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:28:13 2016 No.3674228

>>3674138
>>3674142
27FS200 should be better than any Magnavox. That's an SD Wega with s-video and component, very ideal for retro games.

And yeah it looks like a composite connector is broken off in that first port. You should be able to get it out with a pair of pliers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:37:22 2016 No.3674245 >>3673986 noice, it's widescreen too. My HD toshi is 4:3, 6th&7th gen looks good in Compression mode but having native widescreen for newer consoles is best.

Anonymous Mon Dec 12 23:48:38 2016 No.3674260

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371616720654?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

So, is this a good option for s-video for Saturn? The official cables are expensive as fuck and I don't want to get one of those cheap cables with the composite cable attached.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 00:11:13 2016 No.3674317 >>3674106 Tubelets, when will they learn?

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 00:55:36 2016 No.3674412
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>>3674138
>>3674142
Here is the Magnavox

I could have sworn it had S video, I'm probably thinking of the Toshiba which is massive and can't get a picture right this second without moving a ton of shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 01:01:53 2016 No.3674423 File: 114 KB, 640x480, 20161213_005922.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674138 >>3674142 >>3674412 Toshiba has s video and it's much bigger than the Sony and Magnavox

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 01:04:18 2016 No.3674426 >>3674423 Dimensions & Weight Width 34.9 in Depth 23.5 in Height 30.7 in Weight 177.91 lbs >177.91 pounds I knew it's heavy because I'm the one who carried it in but JESUS

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 01:31:07 2016 No.3674484 I got a free Samsung 959NF lined up, is that thing worth hauling home for a retro PC setup? I tried to do some research, but info seems to be a little sparse, I found little apart from some reports that it was a decent unit for its day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:06:34 2016 No.3674554 >>3674412 Yep, toss the Mag and keep the Wega. Same screen size but should have a much higher quality picture.

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:11:38 2016 No.3674568

>>3674045
Not him but no all models are. Japanese ones (1070 and 1080) are (especially the JVC-made 1070s because of their high dotpitch), the 1081 one is kinda good but were prone to dry solders. Later korean-made monitors are okayish but not as good as the earlier models, and usually have way less inputs available.
>>3674112
Shit that pisses me off that these kx-14cp1 monitors' prices have increased tenfold since september of last year for no fucking reasons (last reasonable prices listed were between 5~15€ now they're asking 120€ for one in a not so good condition -- that's more than a fucking kx-27ps1 in good condition).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:16:10 2016 No.3674576 Do any of you guys know where to find a composite cable for the model 1 genesis thats just the video only? No audio lead. Look I know I'm asking for composite but save the ridicule this time please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:18:53 2016 No.3674582 >>3674576 The connector is a standard DIN8. Get one and solder a composite cable to the corresponding pins.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:20:59 2016 No.3674584 >>3674582 I guess I'll give it a try. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:21:25 2016 No.3674587 I spent 3 hours messing with my geometry last night and I've had a monster headache ever since. How do I avoid headaches in the future?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:22:37 2016 No.3674591 >>3674587 Don't spend 3 hours

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 02:24:54 2016 No.3674594 >>3674591 That's how long it took, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 03:15:23 2016 No.3674661 >>3674582 it's a rarer version though, "U" shaped.

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 05:38:42 2016 No.3674805

Alright, so I have a problem. Let me explain what I'm trying to do, and my setup.

I want to connect my PC to my TV.

What I know:
- My TV is an LG Flatron, Model RT-29FD15R
- My TV has component input and supports 240p, because I can play PS1 and PS2 games in 240p
- It is a PAL TV, however supports NTSC signals, I only play NTSC games on it.
- I have a Radeon HD 4350
- I have a Key Digital KD-VTCA3 VGA to component transcoder
- Use windows 7 64bit

What I have done
- Installed the HD4350 in my PC, connected it to the transcoder, and connected that to component input on my TV
- Installed CRT Emudriver as per the website
- Configured CRT Emudriver as per instructions on the website
- Adjusted dip switches on the transcoder to the correct sync

What happens
- The image on the TV, when changed to the correct resolution (320x240) scrolls very quickly vertically, the same happens at any resolution

What I have tried to fix the problem
- Using other resolutions below 320x240, same problem
- Using Super Resolutions in CRT Emudriver, these don't fix the problem, the screen still scrolls, and the image is no longer centered, it looks squashed to the side
- Adjusted Super Resolutions to be 1920x___, this didn't solve the problem, same as above
- Tried using PAL, NTSC, Generic 15khz, and Arcade 15khz settings, same problem
- Tried all of the above with different dipswitch settings in case I'm an idiot (but the other dipswitch settings don't sync on the TV so I'm sure that's not the problem)

What I have not tried
- Windows XP

Any advice? Anyone have their PC connected to their TV with CRT Emudriver and have similar issues, or can offer some experiences they may have done differently?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue Dec 13 07:06:19 2016 No.3674928 >>3674805 The easiest solution to your issue is an Extron box, specifically a VSC500.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 07:13:04 2016 No.3674932 >>3674928 480i output though, unless you further route it through an RGB interface, which I personally could never get to work properly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 08:26:40 2016 No.3674996 >>3674805 Adjust horizontal frequency in service menu

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 08:34:43 2016 No.3675001 >>3674996 Horizontal frequency, even though it's scrolling vertically? I'll try and tweak both from the service menu when I get back to it tomorrow. Thanks anon. Other ideas are always welcome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 09:27:12 2016 No.3675048 >>3669521 It must be my fucking Scart switch I have, thanks. I have already added 12 volts to Pin 8, because my switch didn't use that. Thank you!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 09:51:35 2016 No.3675065 File: 23 KB, 480x744, tmp_1634-1481220732146-624357349.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3674121 >fellow camcorder anon my nigga. Post your watchman and some tiny crt tubes. Here's mine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 10:04:22 2016 No.3675074 File: 1.84 MB, 3264x2448, 1454192360447.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3675065 Not him, but here's a Goodwill find I played with for a little while. RF only sucked, B&W is pretty comfy for NES games though.

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 12:51:03 2016 No.3675371

>>3674587
>my geometry
well there's your problem. You're supposed to adjust your TV's geometry, not YOUR geometry! Silly goose, I'm surprised you only have a headache after that, and not something worse.

Sidenote, does anyone know the exact weight (for shipping purposes) of a Sony FW900? I'm looking online, but best I can find is "about a hundred pounds" .

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue Dec 13 12:58:05 2016 No.3675391 >>3675371 https://docs.sony.com/release//GDMFW900.PDF "Mass Approx. 42kg (92lb 10oz)"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 14:58:27 2016 No.3675634 File: 728 KB, 2000x2033, LCD blacks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey why don't you just use emulators and load em up on your PC LOOKS GREAT ON MINE :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 15:17:06 2016 No.3675675 >>3675634 barf

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 15:28:32 2016 No.3675693 >>3675634 Beautiful! I love playing retro games in HD on my HD screen!

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 15:41:46 2016 No.3675719

>>3673415
There is no rule that says this thread has to be all RGB all the RGB time. I wouldn't mind seeing some sexy pics of his Trinitron, even if it is only display a composite signal.

>>3673986
Probably not too bad, but not as good as either the Sony XBR960 or XS955. Those tubes resolve 1400 horizontal lines while everything else resolves less.

>>3674484
It's free and it looks pretty descent. Also, it's free.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 16:09:44 2016 No.3675768 >>3670282 They're not shilling lootcrates, razors, or t-shirts, so that's good enough for me.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue Dec 13 16:24:13 2016 No.3675795

>>3675768
Honestly they're repackaging knowledge from a variety of forums and static websites in a format that's more easily understood by young folks. RetroRGB.com is great and all, but it's definitely not the most modern website in terms of usability/design.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 16:29:25 2016 No.3675816 >>3675719 >There is no rule that says this thread has to be all RGB all the RGB time. Never said that, but other than a pic of his screen and geometry there's not much past that to say about a consumer crt and composite set-up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 16:30:25 2016 No.3675819 >>3675795 I just wanna know what to buy to hook up a dreamcast through VGA to an RGBS monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 16:43:07 2016 No.3675845 >>3675795 Even though I know most of what they're talking about, I usually learn something. And they spend a good deal of time sifting through forums, so I like that they do that work for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 16:54:45 2016 No.3675864 >>3675819 Extron VSC

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:07:30 2016 No.3675901 Do you guys usually adjust your image size so that the picture goes into the overscan area to get rid of the blank space on the sides of most games or do you just keep the blank space?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:19:55 2016 No.3675926 >>3673401 I have a pvm and I still only use s-video and composite for most consoles and component for my playstation 2. I don't care about the rgb meme enough to invest in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:20:43 2016 No.3675927 >>3675901 The picture should have overscan of course

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:36:04 2016 No.3675951 >>3675864 which model has RGBS out

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 17:50:21 2016 No.3675972 >>3675927 Possibly stupid question, but on a Sony PVM, so I have to adjust anything else besides the H and V size to keep the "integrity" of the picture?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 18:07:13 2016 No.3675994 >>3675951 All of them

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 18:27:03 2016 No.3676024 >>3668115 comfy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 19:15:18 2016 No.3676113 PALfag here How can i connect a raspberry pi to a CRT without using crappy lag-inducing HDMI adapters?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 19:40:23 2016 No.3676152 >>3676113 there are vga boards for rpis

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:20:04 2016 No.3676204 >guy asking $150 for a sony wega >no pics, says he doesn't know how to upload d r o p p e d I found a dude selling a Toshiba HD CRT for $30 so whatever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:23:23 2016 No.3676208 >>3676204 Why would you pay $150 for one of those in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:38:35 2016 No.3676232 >>3676204 I got a 36inch wega for free. Who the fuck is paying for crt tvs?

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:50:04 2016 No.3676250

This is probably a stupid question...

So I found out that there are some (stupidly expensive) Composite and S-Video input to YPbPr output transcoder/converter thingamajigs. Does anyone have any experience with these?

I know that it's only supposedly worthwhile if the origin of the signal can output better than S-Video to start. And that is indeed the case. But for the amount of money, I think I would rather not find out first-hand that there is no noticeable difference.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:50:10 2016 No.3676251 File: 134 KB, 778x1018, 17859245.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3676204 >HD CRT

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 20:51:19 2016 No.3676254 >>3676250 Converters cannot improve a signal, only degrade it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 21:09:11 2016 No.3676278 File: 121 KB, 640x480, 20161213_210511.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3676254 I got this basically for convenience so I can have all 3 hooked through one SVideo slot on my tv. I was wondering if it will effect the quality negatively?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 21:16:03 2016 No.3676287 >>3676278 don't have multiple systems on at the same time, should be fine.

Anonymous Tue Dec 13 21:30:06 2016 No.3676309

>>3676254
I thought so, but I found some guys arguing about the possibility of building a homebrew transcoder on some random forums in my search. While they said it was not easy or cheap to do, it was possible.

To be honest, it's all a bit over my head.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 13 22:28:06 2016 No.3676401 >>3675926 >I have a pvm and I still only use s-video Did you get it for free? I sure hope so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 01:49:06 2016 No.3676768 >>3676278 Looks like a good way to have a potentially damaging ground loop.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 02:12:50 2016 No.3676821 >>3676401 Yes, I got it for free years ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 02:49:55 2016 No.3676890 >>3674805 Im sure this isnt the issue, but be sure you have the sync DIP switch set properly for either C-sync or H/V sync, based on whatever ur PC is outputting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 03:04:23 2016 No.3676915 >>3664775 lol

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 03:19:50 2016 No.3676954

>>3676890
Thanks, I'm certain I've got the dip switch set correctly, and just to be certain I went through all the different modes while switching the dip switch to be 100% sure. I tried ajusting vertical and horizontal hold but it achieved nothing save shifting the image.

I'm back at square 1. I'm not even certain if installing XP will solve the issue, and I don't have another TV with component input to try. So out of options I might spend the weekend installing and setting up XP on a spare drive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 04:22:44 2016 No.3677082 >>3664775 Crt are still great

Anonymous Wed Dec 14 04:28:26 2016 No.3677094

Do any of you know why Playstation games have a big space on the left like the image is shifted to the right? I've noticed this on every CRT I've had and I noticed it on a PVM in a behind the scenes video I was watching for the development of Bio Hazard, so it must be deliberate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 14 04:47:44 2016 No.3677118 >>3665843 where would you go to fix a CRT

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