I have heard many times that this is the best saturn game. Does Dragon Force really deserve this kind of reputation?

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Anonymous Tue Dec 6 15:24:54 2016 No.3660936 [Reply] [Original]

I have heard many times that this is the best saturn game. Does Dragon Force really deserve this kind of reputation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 15:40:05 2016 No.3660959 >best Saturn game >not Sakura Taisen

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 15:41:43 2016 No.3660963
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dragon force 1 and 2 are awesome strategy games. I think even playing it will give anyone a sense of awe at the action on screen, but the best saturn game? There's so many great games it's hard to find a best one.

But I might put money on panzer dragoon zwei.

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 15:56:24 2016 No.3661001

>>3660936
Hard to say any given game is the absolute best (for me, that would be Panzer Dragoon Saga, which undoubtedly a lot of anons will disagree with).

Dragon Force is a very well regarded game, but your enjoyment of it will probably depend on how much you like the genre. I tried it for the first time this year and found to my disappointment that I didn't like. It's too slow and complicated for my tastes, which is a shame because I could still clearly see the appeal in the game. The lore, the variety of kingdoms and generals you can control, the battle sequences, there's a lot to love in this, but it hinges on wether or not you connect with the basic gameplay mechanics underlying it all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 16:08:20 2016 No.3661020 >>3661001 It looks like a mix of grand strategy and JRPG to me. Very interesting combination but I can see how it might come off as a bit complicated seeing how the aesthetics are more common for far simpler games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 19:08:41 2016 No.3661369 >>3660936 Yes. It is the definitive Saturn game.

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 20:02:48 2016 No.3661497

>>3660963
>but the best saturn game? There's so many great games it's hard to find a best one
What did he mean by this? The Saturn library is extremely awful with most games being some experimental half assed 2D - 3D mix both in aesthetics and gameplay. It's exactly the kind of half assed shit you would expect in the console generation right between 2D and 3D.

Like almost all ports on it were inferior versions too.

The Saturn is a curiosity. It's not a good console in any shape or form.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 20:16:53 2016 No.3661527 It's pretty fucking good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 20:19:37 2016 No.3661536 >>3661497 >Like almost all ports on it were inferior versions too. Saturn got the best ports of most 2D arcade games.

Anonymous Tue Dec 6 21:36:52 2016 No.3661697

>>3661497
>The Saturn is a curiosity. It's not a good console in any shape or form.
I think you meant to talk about the N64 there. The Saturn has tons of great, satisfying titles. If you don't know Japanese then you won't get the best experience out of it, but with some knowledge of Japanese you'll be able to enjoy the majority of the great experiences the console has to offer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 21:38:14 2016 No.3661702 >>3661697 I think he was talking about the PlayStation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 22:02:39 2016 No.3661784 File: 386 KB, 1612x1169, tmp_814-Panzer Dragoon Saga (E) CD 1-2 Front_Back2072767436.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3660936 Dragon Force is definitely one of the best games on the Saturn. The best, however, is Panzer Dragoon Saga.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 6 22:04:17 2016 No.3661787 >>3661497 >being this wrong about everything I HOPE that you're trolling. No one can have such horrible opinions, right?

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:32:55 2016 No.3662172

>>3661787
I actually had a phase where I was fascinated by the Saturn and played a shitload of games on it. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

The saturn had some godawful platformers, zelda clones, the standard pallet of tons of shmups and fighting game and other arcade ports no one gives a fuck about and games that are objectively better on the PS1.

Dragon Force and Panzer Dragoon are like the two truly unique quality games on Saturn. Be glad you have that. Even if you know japanese there is barely anything beyond SRPGs worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:35:38 2016 No.3662175 >>3660959 >not playing Sakura Taisen on PC Get out of my face you fucking pleb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:36:09 2016 No.3662176 >>3662172 >games need to be genre-defining in order to be good Get off your high horse, kid.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:42:55 2016 No.3662183

>>3662176
That's not what I said. Because those platformers and zelda clones were beyond mediocre. Because arcade ports are worth shit. Even the JRPGs were mediocre most of the time. The PS1 blew the Saturn in every genre out of the water. Like why did they even bother with the survival horror genre or awful TPS like burning rangers.

I already think the dreamcast library is mediocre but the saturn is like the same only much much worse. It barely has any defining games. If you think of the saturn you think of dragon force and panzer dragoon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:45:30 2016 No.3662187 >>3661697 >>3661702 >>3661787 I think Skankhunt42 is just baiting people. All that person kept saying was: https://youtu.be/e6-B2TJN8UQ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 01:48:27 2016 No.3662192 >>3662187 Name 10 great saturn games that were unique for that platform. No ports of any kind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:04:28 2016 No.3662216 >>3662192 Panzer Dragoon Saga Dragon Force 2 Burning Rangers Digital Pinball Necronomicon Bulk Slash Psychic Killer Taromaru Saturn Bomberman Astal Shining Force 3 (all scenarios) Fighters MEGAMiX

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:06:21 2016 No.3662220 >>3662216 >Astal over Clockwork Knight 2 Nigga...

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:11:20 2016 No.3662229

>>3662216
>Bulk Slash
>Burning Rangers
>Psychic Killer Taromaru
>Saturn Bomberman
>Astal
>Fighters MEGAMiX
Are you even kidding me? I wouldn't post that list even if Saturn was my absolute favorite because it's so embarassing to say this games are the best on it.

And I'm being generous giving you that pinball game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:18:01 2016 No.3662245 >>3662229 trying to pretend any list would of satisfied you you havn't fooled me

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:20:29 2016 No.3662252 >>3662229 Now that's moving the goalposts. All that was asked for was 10 great Saturn games that were unique for the platform, not "what are the best Saturn games".

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:22:53 2016 No.3662259 >>3662245 I never pretended at all. I said from the get go it is impossible and you just proved me right. >>3662252 There is a difference between great and ok.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:26:08 2016 No.3662263 >>3662259 Not liking Saturn Bomberman ... just "ok" ... you sure have an opinion that is not worth anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:26:29 2016 No.3662264 File: 12 KB, 320x240, smugsegata.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >trying to argue with a troll pretending to have impossibly high standards Let him hate the Saturn, no skin off my nose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:30:34 2016 No.3662270 >>3662264 I just answered with a variety of genres which fits into the criteria given. Didn't even name games with later ports or great conversions from arcade. Troll is obvious troll.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:32:23 2016 No.3662273

>>3662263
To be fair with 4 players it might be great but multiplayer games are always like that. With tons of people every game is fun as fuck.
>>3662264
>has bulk slash and burning rangers as great
>impossible high standards
Just fuck off. Hate fags like you in every thread that call people with a negative opinion trolls. You're some circlejerk cancer that needs to get the fuck out. The PS1 had like hundreds of this kind of game and no one would dare putting them in a top list of great games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:37:09 2016 No.3662278 >>3662273 You're just butthurt that the Saturn has better games than the PSX, admit it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:39:09 2016 No.3662280 >>3662278 Now you're just plainly baiting. Don't make this into a PS1 vs Saturn thread. I promise your butt will be forever devastated you fucking hipster scum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:49:30 2016 No.3662287 >>3662280 There's no contest, because the N64 beats them both.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:50:31 2016 No.3662291 >>3662287 I agree actually, if we're talking 3D games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:52:10 2016 No.3662294 >>3662287 PS1 has definitely more great games even if you nintenboys will want to argue that the few games the N64 has are so godlike that it doesn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:52:56 2016 No.3662296 >>3660936 Yes! Sad the Sega ages version wasn't translated

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 02:55:08 2016 No.3662303 >>3662296 Feels bad man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 03:06:47 2016 No.3662313 > The PS1 had like hundreds of this kind of game > Don't make this into a PS1 vs Saturn thread ...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 03:10:47 2016 No.3662317 File: 273 KB, 709x709, princess_crown.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >PS1 will NEVER EVER have a game as good as pic related

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 03:11:51 2016 No.3662318 >>3662313 Have you actually played the game? Its not your average tactical rpg.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 03:20:20 2016 No.3662327

I just answered with a list that didn't involve ports from arcades or later conversions. Not once did I mention Playstation.

The original post starting this shit says
>Like almost all ports on it were inferior versions too.
>The Saturn is a curiosity. It's not a good console in any shape or form.

Which is easily proven false.

I liked great games on Playstation and Saturn (N64 too). To discount a whole system with lies like having inferior ports is just bait. There are lots of great games on the Saturn. Also the multiplayer mode of Saturn bomberman can go up to 8 and 10 players depending on the field. I also had fun with its co-op campaign.

Poster >>3662278 is not me. How is a negative opinion of the Saturn on a thread about Saturn games not come from a troll?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 03:22:12 2016 No.3662328 >>3662318 Just pointing out contradictory posts.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 03:51:22 2016 No.3662363

>>3662327
>Which is easily proven false.
Do it then.
>How is a negative opinion of the Saturn on a thread about Saturn games not come from a troll?
Am I suddenly on reddit with a 4chan overlay or what the fuck are you talking about? It was never trolling to state your negative opinion regarding the thread topic. You should lurk a few years before posting.
>>3662313
I was just pointing out that putting games on a pedestal that would be rated mediocre or bad on another console of the same generation is pathetic as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 04:05:54 2016 No.3662387 >>3662363 >Do it then. No point, you're a stubborn Sony fanboy who'll never change his mind about the Saturn regardless of proof.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 04:28:58 2016 No.3662404

>>3662387
How am I a fanboy for preferring a console with much better games? If anything you are a stubborn fanboy since you prefer the inferior product. I can gladly name games in every single genre that blow the saturn out of the water. RPG, Platformer, Action, survival horror, adventure, puzzle, rhythm, the Saturn can't even compete in those.

Though since I'm such a nice guy I will give you the strategy genre for dragon force alone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 04:33:39 2016 No.3662408 >>3662404 As if the playstation has a better majong game than Super Real Mahjong Dousoukai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 04:39:43 2016 No.3662416 >>3662408 I grew up in a harbor city and went regularly to the market and played Mahjong with the chinese sailors so I never could enjoy a video game version of it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 05:18:14 2016 No.3662456

Thought we were done, but here we go.

>>3662363
See Capcom fighting games such as X-Men VS.Street Fighter or Marvel Super Heroes Vs. Street Fighter, where the Saturn home ports allowed for tag matches from both players with whatever characters they choose, whereas other home ports on the Playstation only allowed tagging if both players agreed to use the same two characters. For shooting games, there can be more enemies or bullets onscreen, like the Dodonpachi games the PS version both players chooses the same ship, while SS allowes both players to choose whichever one they want to play as. Metal Slug does not need to load mid-stage. I feel the saturn versions of Silhouette Mirage and Thunderforce 5 play better on Saturn over their PS counterparts. I do not feel the ports on the system were inferior, some even matched the arcade sharing similar hardware as the ST-V like Die Hard Arcade and Soukyugurentai. Typically with a lot of 2D games, I prefer the Saturn port.

I am in complete agreement with the anon that said there are so many great games [on the system] it is hard to find the best one. To which the reply was to shoot down the whole library which is a pretty piss poor negative reponse. We all know the saying about assholes and opinions, just poiting out yours is full of shit.

What pedestal? I honestly do think the games I named are great. How are the games bad?

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 05:31:20 2016 No.3662471

>>3662456
Still going on about ports like they matter?
Well if you don't have anything else I guess you will cling to that.

You have absolute shit taste in calling those games great. Bulk Slash is a worse Megaman legends and I wouldn't even call ML great.

Willingly having such low standards only to say you find those saturn games great. Fucking hipster scum.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 05:49:18 2016 No.3662486

>>3662471
>Do it then.
Then I answered, which was about ports. Now you complain that ports don't matter.

The level of retardation you are displaying is staggering. On Saturn Bomberman you are all "the only reason the multiplayer is fun is because of multiplayer" ... so far everything you've typed doesn't just out you as a troll, but a retarded one. Now you throw in the term hipster as if that has any basis, as if liking great games is the hipster thing to do.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 05:54:54 2016 No.3662491

>>3662486
I'm convinced you are the troll now since the only point you keep bringen up is that I'm the troll because I hurt your feelings. Forever we discussed consoles by examining their exclusives but suddenly it's alright to keep bringing them up when the library is completely pathetic. That's why segafags will always be pathetic cretins. You will always put games on a pedestal that will be mediocre to bad for any other fanbase that played superior consoles.

And the pathetic thing is you probably don't even play this stuff, you may have played it once and then you developed the hipster affinity: "man would my taste look refined if I liked this game".

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 07:33:41 2016 No.3662560

>>3662491
Is this what we are down to now? Creating a narrative because there's nothing else?

On trolling, you're the one using terms like "segafags" or bringing up how another console is superior trying to incite some console war bullshit, when the reality is that I have answered using mostly what was already posted on this thread.

Oh no, my feelings are hurt. Nope just have free time at work and I admit to being amused at someone being so wrong.

I actually do play the games I had for years. At the time of these systems, I had the Playstation and Saturn. Got the N64 later. Your story doesn't even line up with the possibility that someone actually plays games, in their day, and had the system, you are pretty stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 08:00:39 2016 No.3662591 >>3662560 Whatever, fag, we will now ignore all other games that exist to not hurt your feelings and let the saturn shine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 08:33:33 2016 No.3662629 >>3662591 Great strategy, fag, keep sticking with a fabricated story until it becomes true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 08:41:31 2016 No.3662640 >>3662629 You too, fag.

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 09:30:37 2016 No.3662691

>>3662629
I still belive the Saturn has great titles. NiGHTS is quite enjoyable, the Thunderforce games are great (though without slowdown for 4 as on Genesis), Guardian Heroes is a blast, Radiant Silvergun is pretty impressive, Keio 2 is pretty enjoyable, Quake is a surprise it works, Virtual On, Virtua Cop 2, Sega Rally, all enjoyably fun games. I had fun with Playstation (and N64) games too, how could I have hurt feelings, I'm just watching a retard hang themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 09:48:02 2016 No.3662707 Entertaining game from what I've played so far. Did anyone manage to collect all those CGs or cutscene pictures and put them online?

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 11:01:51 2016 No.3662776
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Whoops, misfired my last reply >>3662691 to myself, and meant for >>3662640 ... It was unintentional to flood this thread, but it sure made the hours at work more entertaining for me.

>>3660936
It's pretty good, but there are a lot of great games, hard for me to pick one. I am thinking Keio 2 or Panzer Dragoon Saga are my choice favorites.

>>3661001
I actually thought Dragon Force (1) was a pretty simple game, somewhat straightforward deciding what matchups to go with in an encounter, formations to use, and timely retreats. I just find Dragon Force to be really addicting despite its simplistic mechanics.

>>3662220
Sorry, never played nor have Clockwork Knight 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 11:11:34 2016 No.3662790 >>3662776 How is the second dragon force? A straight improvement?

Anonymous Wed Dec 7 14:32:23 2016 No.3663070

Dragon Force is probably my favorite Saturn game. Shining Force 3 would be a close second.

If only there was an option to play Dragon Force with a random kingdom layout! The game already has a ton of content, but a feature that would let you randomize nations and generals would be incredible.

I'd love to give Dragon Force 2 a proper go sometime. I tried playing the game before but couldn't really follow what was going on too well with it being in Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 14:53:23 2016 No.3663115 >>3663070 Isn't there a translation patch?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 7 15:30:32 2016 No.3663213 >>3662776 >Sorry, never played nor have Clockwork Knight 2. You should give it a try. Same dev team behind Shinobi III.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 14:42:46 2016 No.3665160 anyone tried emulating these games on PC?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 15:23:08 2016 No.3665221 >>3660936 i fucking love it, but that doesn't mean i have to shove it into your face

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 8 20:32:53 2016 No.3665767 >>3665221 You should though. Except for Panzer Dragoon no Saturn game ever gets mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 23:26:32 2016 No.3668048 >>3662273 >4 players Try 10 players. You obviously have never played it. The game is amazing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 9 23:43:28 2016 No.3668085 >>3668048 None of us have played it, you need to own a shitload of multitaps and have a lot of nerd friends.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 12:05:42 2016 No.3668937

>>3662790
>How is the second dragon force? A straight improvement?
Different person.

I feel like it's mostly a step backwards - the continuity makes no sense, generals seem RIDICULOUSLY tough where even if they're completely alone, they'll probably take down 100 of your troops and force you to finish them in a duel, the music is a complete downgrade... about the only thing I like is being able to field 2 different unit types instead of 1.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:28:09 2016 No.3669085

>>3661497
>>3661702
>>3661697
No, it's not any particular system, it's 5th gen as a whole. It's a generation chock full of games with eye cancer inducing graphics and awkward controls. It was a really awkward generation for gaming and they didn't really accomplish a lot of what they were trying to do until 6th or even 7th gen. That's not to say there weren't any good games released during this generation, it's just that a lot of them haven't stood the test of time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 13:34:36 2016 No.3669098 >>3668085 It's one of my goals in life to actually have a 10 man bomberman game.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 14:39:18 2016 No.3669240

Since shitposting has already consumed a good portion of this thread, allow me to make a slightly off topic question instead of making a separate thread.

Is Saturn emulation any good? And if so, which one is the best emulator? I'm a poorfag and don't know Japanese so there's no way I'll be playing the games on the actual system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 14:52:00 2016 No.3669267 >>3662273 But troll-kun, Burning Rangers is great.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 14:59:57 2016 No.3669285 File: 996 KB, 389x259, giggle-giflaugh-gif[1].gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3669267 >Burning Rangers is great

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:47:57 2016 No.3669523 >>3669267 No it isn't. That you think this just proves that you have merely a thing for the console and don't measure the games objectively.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:55:20 2016 No.3669534 >>3669285 >>3669523 Point out 1 objective flaw in BR, or else you're full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 10 16:57:39 2016 No.3669539 >>3669534 Framerate.

Anonymous Sat Dec 10 17:10:09 2016 No.3669558

>>3669534
Awful graphics, the console obviously can't handle those graphics at all. Pop ins all the time, shaky graphics, fire, the one effect you see troughout the entire game looks hilariously bad. The entire game except for the last part looks the fucking same. There is no variety to the gameplay, you do the same shit the entire game except for the last 30 minutes.

Super short, if it was above 2 hours I wouldn't even have finished it. Poor replayability, I don't even know why they let you select the character, the guy and the chick play the same or at least there aren't really enough differences that it matters. Though I don't know if there are any other changes since I only checked out the controls.

Though I must say if the entire game would be like the last half hour I would consider it good at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 01:49:44 2016 No.3670436 >>3662416 Ryo plz, go look for your father

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 11 01:56:46 2016 No.3670443 >>3669558 Once you beat the game, a random generator is activated and it randomizes the level you choose. Victims, gas tanks, crystals, backdrafts, rooms, doors, switches, and enemies are ALL randomized in a preset way.

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