/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[11-27] The Macbook Pro's touch bar runs Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0L46y3IqI

[11-22] Retro Jam 5, a Wind Tunnel-themed map pack for Quake
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61377

[11-19] MetaDoom v2.0 is out
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53010

[[11-19] Custom Gun: The Gun-ening. Done by the Hexen Souls author
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=54303

[11-14] Doom 64-style map textures for Doom 2
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=54248

[11-13] Blade of Agony Chapter 1 release
http://www.moddb.com/mods/wolfendoom-blade-of-agony/news/blade-of-agony-chapter-1-released

[11-9] Suddenly a Russian Overkill update
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29915&p=953003#p953003

[11-9] RIP Malinku, Doom mapper
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/everything-else/91549-user-malinku-was-murdered/

[11-7] Total Chaos, a GZDoom total total total conversion, has alpha release
http://www.moddb.com/mods/total-chaos

[11-7] Someone else is making a Doom 4 mod for Doom, called ''Zion''.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Evd4teWlJo

[11-5] SYNTH DOOM, anon-made 80s inspired retro music mod
https://mega.nz/#!KlBiAJDC!PuPUNjIjKdqK6NISzhQlWs8I7hUIrIkpvSuOyRnH4uE

[11-2] Warp House - A Shores of Hell inspired GZDoom map with a lot of monsters, secrets and 20,000 sectors to explore
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=949685#p949685

[11-2] "Runballs" Doom mod in development
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWVdBk_rd1w

[10-30] Doom4Doom 2.0 released - a gameplay mod that brings the Doom 2016 weapons into the classic Doom maps
http://www.moddb.com/mods/d4d-doom4-for-doom/downloads/d4d-v20

[10-30] Brutal Doom 64 released - merging Doom 64 and Brutal Doom (sort of)
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom-64

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>Floating around, waiting for the marine to show up so I can hiss and shoot lightning balls at him
>Suddenly hear some gunfire the next room over
>Oh shit it's show time
>Give him my best hiss and start drifting towards him at a brisk pace
>He starts petting me
What is this bullshit

>>3642343

Should've worn pants today, bucko.

Call of Duty Doom is actually pretty fun!

>>3642329
>Enemy is about to throw a fireball
>time your strafe just right
>they threw it off to the side because you're using the inviso sphere
>you strafe right into it

Related, is there a mod that has enemies try to lead their shots?

>>3642359
Colorful Hell has an option for monsters to lead their shots. Not sure how effective it really is.

>>3642329
>~Let's post like gentlemen~

Fuck outta here

>>3642358
Last stand zombies and resurrecting enemies ruins it

>>3642361
If you wanted the entire line omitted threads ago then you should've fucking said so then

>>3642364
It was posted by Megaman Faggot

>>3642368
I meant to say that line was put there by a megaman poster

>>3642361
>>3642368
>>3642369

It was there before the guy changed it to "let's post like megamen".

Any doom levels with illusionary design?

>>3642372
Void is pretty good with that.
dead.wire as well.

>>3642368
>>3642369
I know the line was modified then (to 'Let's post like Megamen'), but even the threads before it still have the line I'm using now.

>Playing Doom 64 EX
>Rented it as a kid but never got into it and found all the secrets
>Read up about the Hectic secret level in M1
>Ridiculously obscure way to get to the level
>Get there and its one of the most twisted level designs ever in a Doom game
WHAT SICK FUCK DESIGNED THIS LEVEL!?

I managed to finish it with quicksaves but jesus christ this must have been hell on the N64 without quicksaves.

>>3642436
>console FPS
Stopped reading there.

>>3642436
>WHAT SICK FUCK DESIGNED THIS LEVEL!?

Each of the three rooms was designed by one of the three level designers on the game. Randy Estrella did the Arachnotron room, Tim Heydelaar made the trap room and Danny Lewis (who also did the Club Doom music in the PSX version) made the Hell Knight room.

>>3642438
>Console FPS
>Playing the PC source port does not count
ok.jpg

>>3642438
He said EX which is PC you fucking mongoloid.

>>3642359
There was an option for that in Doom Legacy. I don't know if it's still there in more recent versions.

>>3642438
>bashing D64
end yourself

Whats the best way to play marathon guys?

>>3642458
when talking about D64 /doom/ mostly does bash it, anon, this is the wrong circlejerk for you to be in.

>>3642461
https://alephone.lhowon.org/

>>3642462

>when talking about D64 /doom/ mostly does bash it

What?

>>3642464
what didn't you get? I'm saying this place hates that game for the most part.

>>3642462
What? I've never seen anyone in here bash Doom 64 at all.

>>3642467

Yeah, that. I haven't seen much negativity towards Doom 64, like at all.

>>3642461
>>3642463
It is worth keeping in mind that Aleph One is not at the same quality level you'd expect from, say, Doom or Quake ports. There are a lot of creature comforts you'll miss. That said, there isn't really much in the way of other ways to play the series nowadays, which is a damn shame.

>>3642470

Only shitty part of Doom64 is having to use the fucking N64 controller.

Doom64 EX takes care of that and makes the game a legitimate new doom game to play for those that missed it.

So people were discussing unreal's detail texture in the previous thread - I've been mucking around with shaders in zandronum/gzdoom, and I think it might be possible to hack those into doom by calling the brightmap application functions with some tweaks, no source modification needed.

>>3642476
It works well enough but yeah having mouse support is great. People also seem to forget doom didn't launch with mouse support, using a keyboard for turning was arguably worse than an n64 joystick.

>>3642481

>People also seem to forget doom didn't launch with mouse support

Eh? As far as I'm aware, the game always had support for mouse turning and movement. Heck, even Wolfenstein 3D had support for the mouse.

>>3642479
DT works sorta like overlay layer mode in photoshop, give it a shot anon but dont expect great results as tiling may be noticeable

>>3642481

>didnt launch with mouse support

actually it did, it's common misconception that didnt.

>>3642487
It didn't?

>>3642490

Oh yeah, sorry. missed a word.

Doom had mouse support from the get go (and as >>3642484 mentionned, so did wolf3d) but it's a common misconception that it didnt support it.

>>3642481
Doom always supported mouse + keyboard layout. That was pretty much the first thing Doom's setup asked about. Even in v0.99 setup it asked player if he wanted to use mouse+kb, kb only or joystick.

>>3642496
That's very fucking weird, I finished Doom 2 and never used the mouse.

>>3642502

Neither did I, back then, most peaople didnt even consider that an option until true 3d games like quake made it popular.

>>3642508
Well, the very first FPS I played was Unreal, so I'm not a "real" FPS fan. Playing Doom was extremely weird because of that.

>>3642485
Yeah I'd have to read up on the math behind the blend modes. I think even if it was possible to apply a even single-layer noise DT that'd be pretty sweet for like trilinear filtered rock, concrete etc.

I think that brightmaps could also be inverted as.. "darkmaps?" so for example a dynamic light would appear to cast shadows in the grain.

>>3642521
problem with doom and trilinear filters is that texture resolution is too low for it to be used effectively, DT would help with that but you can polish a turd only so much, sharp details on blurry image isnt really what people fancy, high resolution textures would be needed. I was thinking of doing something like that with substance designer, we might team up anon

Fucking around with shaders is something that I think is underdone anyway. Like this "volumetric" fog effect, which could be made to wave and roil constantly with ease.

I also think I could write one that applies black cel-shaded outlines to everything. That'd be fun for a laff right?

>>3642525
Yeah it would be shit for the stock textures, but for custom high res ones there's real merit for investigating these things. Like in Total Chaos or whatever.

>>3642476
The real shitty parts of the original Doom 64 are getting the cartridge, as well as shitty N64 emulation overall.

>>3642532
you reckon 4x would be good enough? for average wall that would be 512x512 and for flats thats 256x256

>>3642548
Even 2x would take you to an early 2000's level, and above that its starting to get stupid not having proper lighting for super hq assets. Imho. But yeah id like to cooperate with materials stuff, provided my ideas are even technically possible.

>>3642558
I have no idea how shader magic works under the hood, but I will provide you with textures and so on, hope you will lurk here later this evening, may have something

>>3642531
Is that some TNT I see there?

I made a thing.

>>3642561
Looks like MAP2 from Doom 2.

how do i get bmouse to work with win 10 pls help i wanna blood

>>3642531
This is really neat, but can you make pick-ups buried in the fog glow accordingly?

>>3642668
Can't you run a command prompt in Windows 10?

>>3642694
:(

>>3642761
Might be a better idea to just run it through DOSBox if there's a version of DOSBox that runs on W10. You gotta set up bmouse.exe in Blood's setup.exe as an auxiliary control method or something.

>>3642561
Just map02.

>>3642689
If you mean like having a fat glowing corona, no that'd require a customized actor. Making the sprite itself render on top of the fog should be easy.

Keep in mind that to do what you see in that pic, the entire game would have fog from height 0 to height 3d. It could be rewritten to use fog level and colored sector light as arguments for the fog, which in a custom map would allow you to set those values or change them with ACS. But it's not really feasible to load the thing with a level that isn't made for it.

>>3642560
It's literally just plain text files in the correct directories of a pk3. The math inside those files is the hard part, and I'm learning as I go pretty much. Funny how doom modding is what taught me trigonometry in the first place..

>>3642481
>People also seem to forget doom didn't launch with mouse support
stop
doom as always had mouse support

>>3642462
This is the first time I've heard a bad thing about D64 and I've been frequenting this place for like 3 years.

do many people here still mostly play doom w/out gameplay mods?

>>3642890
I do, no gameplay mod holds my interest for very long, not even stuff like smoothdoom.

>>3642890
I usually just play with Smooth Doom. I love the D64 skins.

>>3642368
This line was in OP since ever, you fucking retard. Stop framing other anons for made up bullshit.
And yeah, as someone who couldn't give less of a fuck about megaman - the only faggot here is you. I don't mind screenshots from mm8dmb and some discussion that sometimes takes place, but what I do mind is you sperging out at random things detecting "megaman faggot" in every post.

>>3642890
I usually only use gore mods, like Droplets or Ketchup, but nothing that actually alters the gameplay. Only full on Gameplay mod I play anymore is D4D, but it's not often.

I don't exactly understand how that gun works, but each time I shoot, it crashes GZDoom.

>>3642890
I mostly play with the Metroid mod when I want to have fun, or the vanilla Doom when I want to try new maps.

>>3642951
>Using texture filtering in the current year

>>3642970
>/doom/ told me linear filtering is bad so I believe em!

>>3642890
I play around 2/3 without mods.
The other third consists of Demonsteele, D4D and PB.

>>>/wsg/1417199
im terribly sorry kegan

>>3642973
it looks bad desu

>>3642890
i do enjoy playing vanilla once in a while, but my go to gameplay mod is usually BDSE or trailblazer(+DRLAmonsters+RLME)

>>3642975
Well? What happens?

>>3642890
me

>finding a secret exit on your own
>finding a shortcut to a previously seen colored door after getting the correspondent key

>>3642531
>>3642820
Where could I learn about writing shaders? I bummed around ZDoom's forums, but wasn't able to find much.

>>3642509

You.
You're my nigga.
Let's be friends.
African friends.

>>3642890
Yes.

I alternate back and forth a lot between vanilla and gameplay mods, and when I play gameplay mods I usually just stick with the good ol' Project MSX, Demonsteele, and Psychic triumvirate.

>>3643075
let's plot a course.

>>3643075
Unreal was my first FPS, and Half-Life was my second.

I was very confused when I learned that many FPS don't actually have a secondary fire.

>>3643083
Intercourse

>>3643085

I can't really remember what my "first" FPS was, but Unreal was the first FPS I really got into and played from beginning to end.
I loved everything about it, and it sticks with me even now. The beautiful levels, the fun guns, the intense firefights, the big titties and the (at the time) hot girls, it was incredible.

>>3643127
>big titties
>in Unreal
What?!?
You wanted to fuck the nalis?

And frankly, I never finished Unreal properly. I played it when I was a kid, and beyond that traumatizing scene at the beginning where you hear a guy begging and crying as he's torn into pieces, it was also the kind of game where you murder everything on the map and then look for a switch that you missed.

The botmatches, however... Oh boy, I had so much fun with these. I think I played these more than I played the story mode.
It's also that game that introduced me to the English language. Since all the cheat codes were in English.

>>3642890
I never liked Gameplay mods. They always felt gimmicky to me.

>>3642973
>actually defending filters
>thinks its just /doom/ that hates them

>>3643139
vandora was stacked dude

>>3643059
Yeah there's very little documentation around. Basically, look through the shader files included in gzdoom.pk3 (like the water warp ones), copy them to your project and apply them to something in gldefs, then start changing shit to see what happens.

>>3643164
Hmm... You know, I only picked Kurgan. The bald guy with the tattoos.

>>3642890
Gameplay mods are only fun for like 5 minutes imo.

Would anyone like to recommend a wad to play with demon steel?

>>3643258
Bullshit, anyone can get at least 8 minutes before being bored.

>>3643279
Demonsteele was tested on Scythe 2, so the balance is probably best there. I've tried it with some others, like JPCP and Hellbound, and they all feel pretty nice.

>>3643279
>Doomguy's entire rampage is because some lowly imp ate his pet rabbit.

>>3643292
and impaled its head

>>3643290
Thanks.

>>3643279
>>3643290

Can vouche for JPCP, something about it just feels right.
It gets pretty laggy on a couple maps, though.

>>3643303
I would've found it hilarious if they referenced Daisy in the last game.

>>3642890
It's fun to dick around with a gameplay mod for a while, like Project MSX, DooD, or GMOTA, but usually I'll just play a few maps with them every so often and go back to enhanced vanilla. I only played through Ultimate and Doom2 in full with non-vanilla gameplay mods once, when I hadn't played them for years and wanted a fresh new experience.

Now I mainly stick to Smooth Doom + Perkristian HQ SFX + BDCME or other music enhancement mods for an "enhanced" vanilla experience, and it feels fucking amazing to play. Just yesterday I was replaying through the first few levels of TNT with all of this, and at one point I just had that moment of being zoned into that super fast, run-n-gun, twitch-reaction gameplay, and it was like a mental orgasm. It felt fucking fantastic and just gave me a moment of "God I fucking love Doom", with SSG gibbing, bullet casings, new skins, smoother animations, and enhanced sounds/music, it feels like I'm playing some totally non-vanilla gameplay mod, but it's purely aesthetics and the gameplay stays almost exactly the same. Would recommend highly.

>>3643317
>Plut11: Hunted
>That end sequence music from Doom 1 starts playing
>Instantly reminded of Daisy
>All those archviles get released
>Fear but also anger
>Do it for her.jpg

>>3643292
But he only finds that out at the end of the first game.

>have fuckhuge chaingun
>it actually isn't that powerful
>doesn't even fire that fast

why nobody told me there was a gzdoom port on android?, I was stuck with the official one for months

>original Doom was so hardcore man it threw entire armies at you not like nu-Doom with it's 4 enemies on the screen!

Anyone know how I can make a linedef that's only shootable at a certain height? I'm working in UDMF format.

>>3643360
>Fuckhuge chaingun uses the same ammo as a pistol
I'm sure there's such a thing in real life but it's still fucking stupid for future military tech.

>>3643360
>is not even a chaingun

>>3643416
Assuming it fires 9mm, which has bretty good stopping power, it's effective against unarmored monsters.

>>3643360
>don't even hold it like a chaingun
>because it isn't one
>it's just an assault rifle with spinning barrels

>>3643416
>>3643428
My headcanon is that both use some kind of futuristic highly efficient PDW cartridge.

And NuDoom went with huge scales for everything.
>.50 caliber assault rifle
>15mm (!) chaingun

>>3643416
I like how the chaingun works as an assault rifle and allows you to snipe enemies.

A shame every mod fuck it up beyond belief.

>>3643436
Yeah, I love the idea of it being less of a huge gatling gun and more like a very interesting funky assault rifle from the future.

>>3643441
At least the last DOOM game made it useful at long and mid range. I really hated how Brutal Doom completely fucked it up.

>>3643436
>A shame every mod fuck it up beyond belief
Yeah every mod prefers to go with the lazy "let's turn it into Ol' Painless clone #213423" route.

What's the best way to thrust an actor smoothly through acs?

>>3643452
ThrustThing?

>>3643435
>15mm (!) chaingun
wtf
Why not 100mm HE shells?

>>3643452
>What's the best way to thrust an actor smoothly through acs?
L-Lewd.

>>3643436
While I do like chaingun sniping, I do think that it makes more sense to snipe with a standard assault rifle or similar than it would a chaingun, and for a chaingun to be a high-rate-of-fire weapon that lets you rip things to shreds at close range. I would assume that the chaingun has it's standard rate of fire due to either technical limitations of the time or for balance reasons, and it works well enough for classic Doom gameplay, but I do like it when chainguns are more intense rapid fire weapons that can mow down a crowd with ease as that's sort of what they're designed for. Maybe if anything, give the standard chaingun its regular firing speed and a 2x alt fire, which I think there's a chaingun variant that does just that (and no, not BD's).
That all being said, at heart I'm still perfectly fine with the vanilla chaingun and sniping with it.

>>3643454
It stutters like shit from both that and any other thrust function I can imagine. But I am however setting it's angle constantly in the same script.

>>3643497
For clarification: it's a drivable tank and I almost got it working. Only the forward and backward movement is left to fix really.

>>3643497
>>3643506
The problem with that is that Doom's movement, coding, and everything is locked at a very firm 35 tics per second. So for framerates moving beyond that, it's going to stutter because the framerate is faster than it's actually moving.

>>3643551
So I need to Warp rather than thrust it to get interpolation?

or perhaps flag the tank as a missile or fastprojectile, hmm..

>>3643417
>>3643429
>Looking up the differences between a chain gun and gatling gun for something unrelated
>"A chain gun has a single barrel, while a Gatling gun/Minigun has several rotating barrels and internally do not use chains to drive the weapon. It is a common error to refer to Gatling guns as chain guns, particularly in connection with video games like Doom or Wolfenstein 3D."
Heh, well would you look at that.

>>3643570
Then there are "revolver cannons", the third kind of high ROF weapon in use.

stupid question

I have downloaded a chex3.wad that contains 3 episodes, those are also the chex quest 1 and 2 ?

>>3643585
you're right, it is a stupid question.

>>3643593

very helpful

>>3643585
Yes, they are.

>>3643603

thank you kind sir

WHY IS PLUTONIA MIDI PROJECT MAP31 MUSIC SO FUCKING GOOD HOLY

>>3643706
You should post it next time fag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_E8IyNqorg

Probably the best part of the pack, but there's a few other ones I'm fond of as well.

>>3643706
>>3643716
>Sepulchral
>Plusfort
>Seasons of Insanity
>Tower of Fire
>Always Watching
>Plummeting
>Massacre Machine
>Ascension of Satan
>Plug Ugly
>Infimum
>Plunge Saw
I downloaded a high quality cover of Plutonia and TNT's soundtracks recently and they're fucking rockin'. TNT has great tracks like Sadistic, Smells Like Burning Corpses, Into the Beast's Belly, Blood Jungle, and Legion of the Lost, but Plutonia's got more songs to work with and a lot more high-action songs. I'd post that gif of Doomguy shredding on a guitar if I had it.

E3M6 is the coolest map

you know it's true

>>3643747
Well that's because the Plutonia MIDI pack was a fan-made effort made many years later.

>>3643760

>>3643760

>>3643760
Is that yours? You're working on a wad or something?

>>3643487
>I would assume that the chaingun has it's standard rate of fire due to either technical limitations of the time or for balance reasons
Most certainly balance reasons, because the Wolfenstein chaingun fired crazy fast. I guess the Plasma Rifle was the one that actually inherited it's full auto room cleaner role.

>Maybe if anything, give the standard chaingun its regular firing speed and a 2x alt fire, which I think there's a chaingun variant that does just that (and no, not BD's).
I liked how Skulltag did it, adding a proper minigun as the super shotgun to the chaingun's shotgun.

>>3643781
Nah, I found it on Google. It's from some contest in some pixel-art forum. Thought it looked cool, so I saved it

>>3643760
Shake it, baby!

>>3643760
>>3643796

>>3643786
>I liked how Skulltag did it, adding a proper minigun as the super shotgun to the chaingun's shotgun.
Ah, I think that's what I was thinking of. I had a vague memory of it but couldn't place my finger on it.

>play Smooth Doom
>unnecessary gibs change that can't be turned off

it ruined an otherwise awesome mod for me

>>3643796

Refresh my memory Doom General, what was that one mod that had a shotgun special attack that made four shotguns appear and fire simultaneously?

Also what are some fun but not ridiculous weapon mods because after Demonsteele I'm in the mood for some wanton slaughter

Jesus fucking christ

>>3643875
Russian Overkill

>>3643879
That's the one, dunno why I thought it wasn't that.

>>3643878
Who could do such a thing?

>>3642332

>https://twitter.com/3drealms/status/803363758605299713

rip

>>3643774
DO NOT

>>3643901
The same type of person who puts epic internet meme references in his levels

>>3643807
Maybe. But in this case it's a separate weapon in the same slot, not an alt fire.

Quake 2 was better.

>>3643942
Doom 3 was better

>>3643942
Don't start it.

So moving away while staying on topic, I'd love to see something like ZDoom Wars, but with stuff from Quake 1 + 2, Unreal, Half-Life, etc.

Also how would Bitterman work in Samsara?

>>3643938
That's pretty subtle. What map is this?

>>3643938
>>3643956
What am I supposed to be looking at here?

>>3643962
goaste

>>3643962
>not knowing goatse

>>3643967
it's just a pipe with shit next to them

by that logic tons of other games have goatse too

>>3643938
Can't see shit, sir. Unfuck your gamma and/or the level's lighting.

>>3643962
>doesn't know about goatse
hownew.ru

>>3643972
That is clearly intended to be goatse, notice the metal ring around one of the pipes.

>>3643956
retrojam5_shambler

It's actually a good map, though mjb is still my favorite in the pack.

I'm gonna assume that this is old news but this looks fucking awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHZfVCbssE

>>3642890
I only play new mapsets. If they have some minor modifications, thats alright, but its mostly vanilla gameplay mod-wise. Its the exploration and the new maps that make it interesting, and sometimes new enemies or weapons.

>>3643981
>notice the metal ring around one of the pipes.
Shit, there totally is. Good attention to detail, I suppose.

I need some help. I just noticed there is a weird framerate difference on my toaster ass pc between Zdoom and GZdoom. I get +100 fps on Zdoom and almost sub 30 to 40 fps on GZdoom. Any help on how to fix this?

>>3644075
gzdoom uses opengl, you are fucked
turn off fancy stuff and turn down options like particles.

>>3644075

That'd probably be due to the hardware renderer in GZDoom. As far as I'm aware there's nothing you can really do about this, other than play ZDoom instead (or get a better computer).

>>3644075
You're fucked

ZDoom is best on toasters, hence it's ridiculously small size

GZDoom on the other hand...

>>3644098
>>3644101
Ah well such is the life of a toasterboy. Thanks anyways

>>3644110
>>3644075
you could also just type vid_renderer 0 on gzdoom's console, then restart the program.

>Running around a map for 20 minutes straight
>Don't know where to go
>Finally find a place you haven't visited before
>"Oh shit!"
>It's just a fucking secret

>>3644129

That's functionally the same as playing ZDoom, though.

>>3644139
there's a lot more stuff in gzdoom compared to zdoom than just an opengl renderer support, which is why there's so many people complaining about having to update to the latest gzdoom dev build to play some wad.

like D4D.

>>3644048
what mod?

Im always in search for mor Heretic stuff.

>>3644134
>Switch hunting map
>Running around in circles with no enemies in sight, trying to find out where to go to find the next switch
>Hitting switches I already hit with no effect, backtracking to see if anything has changed in other areas, run around a big empty map without a clue
>Eventually realize that the switches I previously pressed opened up doors textured as walls in not-so-obvious places and I kept overlooking them or didn't go to those spots because I previously thought there was nothing of value there
Had this problem while playing G4 Sunbathing in Marathon yesterday.

>>3644153
LegenDoom Lite

>>3644150

Couldn't you just use a dev build of ZDoom, then? Or am I missing something?

>>3644207
uh, no? why would you think that? they aren't even developed by the same people.

>>3644215

I was under the impression that aside for the OpenGL renderer and the features that required it, dev builds of the two engines were fairly similar.

>>3644048
Legenderetic?

>>3644075
Do you have rendering interpolation turned off? that sets your fps to 35.

>chex 3
>highest difficulty
>a fucking walk in the park
>suddenly the final map

>>3644379
that gif looks like a scene from event horizon, right down to the ripped off eyeballs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuJnIJHgQ44&t=0m13s

>>3644379
The final bosses of each Chex Quest episode are some very unexpected difficulty spikes.

>>3644134
>murder everything on the map
>spend 20 minutes looking for a switch, a door or anything
>finally find there there was a key hidden near a pile of bodies
>and a cryptic teleporter in an unlikely
Some maps in Doom 2 were pretty shitty.

>>3644215
>they aren't even developed by the same people.

Graf Zahl helps with ZDoom's development, actually.

>see a fuckton of servers on zanondrum
>own TNT.wad and PLUTONIA.wad
>95% of the servers require DOOM2.wad

I require a confirmation that I fucked up.

>>3644521
you fucked up

>>3644521
Why not just download DOOM2.wad? It's in the OP.

>>3642329
>Thief: https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/vr/image/1456/09/1456095399293.jpg
Define "horror", because it seems distinct from spiders/undead/rooftops.

> playing heretic
> first episode easy as fuck, super boring
> get through it
> second gets better
> still super easy, boring
> third is ok, playable
> fourth episode, first level
> HARD AS A SATAN'S BONER ON HILLARY, HAVE TO MANAGE THE FUCK OUT OF AMMO
> second level even worse and gets you back to pistol start

>>3644379
That music though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU2Zw_hCVo

From the Doom Monsters askblog; Cacodemon Astume.

>>3644606
>Not Caco Atsume
Oh well.

pssst
look at this

>>3644559
So basically Ultimate Doom?

>>3644685

I fucking love doom modding.

>>3644686
> tfw there's fifth episode

>>3644685
Can the camera be attached to the turret, though? Or is this a 2 player vehicle

>>3644685
Will there be mouse smoothing to make controlling the turret awkward?

>>3644705
Yeah, i'd just need to change a TID argument in ACS to do so. And no, the player is in fact running around blindly since the camera is just changed to the tank, which is controlled by getplayerinput(). Could be frozen and made invisible then teleported to the tank when exiting though.

If I knew anything about zscript that would probably be a better way to implement this.

>>3644685
DoomKart when

>>3644685
how did you do this? some kind of 3D models?

>>3644712
i'm only worrying about the technical stuff right now.

>>3644715
Would need actual physics for that, which is way above my level.

>>3644724
It's gzdoom, a port which has support for quake 2 and quake 3 model formats.

>>3644749
>3d model
>in doom
ERROR

Doom 3 > Doom 2016 > Doom 2 > shit > Ultimate Doom

>>3644852
Nice b8, m8. I r8 it 10/10.

>>3644852
This but the other way around and 'shit' replaced by D64.

>>3644858
>implying Doom 3 isn't a masterpiece and the most iconic Doom game

>>3644863
This anon is 100% right

>>3644852
I really don't like Doom 1's maps after episode 1, they're bland, cramped and/or annoying like that one in episode 3 with the rom that has sets of four teleporters on each corner, you know the one.

Also E2M9 is the biggest travesty in the series.

>level 21 of congestion 1024 with pistol start
I want to die who the fuck was responsible for this pile of shit

Cyberdemon is not only the best boss in Doom but the only one worth mentioning. Barons are hardly fucking bosses, Icon of Sin is a joke and Spider Mastermind is weaker than him. Fuck you ID you can't even make boss fights right.

>>3644884
Honestly, even twenty years later there aren't really much in the way of good bosses in the genre.

>>3644903
Painkiller had nice ones

>>3644884
Spider Masterminds are bigger threats than Cyberdemons because hitscan.

>>3644908
Spider Masterminds are bigger, I can say that.

>>3644882
this is genuinely awful
why the fuck would you make a level the completion of requires you to punch 5 or 6 barons of hell without berserk to death all in an arena this small
did no one test this with pistol start?

>be doom mapper
>make first 10 maps decent
>ok fuck it time to turn it into a slaughter wad
>from now on every room is a large square arena with 30 Revenants, 10 Chaingunners and 50 Hell knights with few cacos in between
>post it on idgames
>5/5 masterpiece
>win Cacoward

>>3644961
sounds like Scythe 2.

>>3644967
and every megawad past Requiem

Grezzo 2 is a masterpiece.

>>3642951

Guys there is something that bothers me since childhood - since Doomguy's adventures last for more than one day how the fuck he can go days straight without sleeping, drinking, eating and pissing?

>>3645019
He does while you do.

>>3642329
what do they expect me to do, how am i supposed to plant 2 more bombs inside if inside is the killing gas

>>3645019
the death of demons is his nourishment

>>3645019
Between maps and during story intermissions.

>>3645042
Are there toilets and restaurants in Hell?

>>3645043
probably, either way he has tons of chunky demon meat and blood to eat and drink, also it's not like he cares where he takes a shit in hell.

>>3645043

There's a spooky burger down there

Quake is superior series which is why ID ditched Doom for it.

>>3645019
Depends on WADs.

Doom I has still pretty much functional facilities on both moons; not sure if there's even any of that once he stepped into Episode 3.
Doom II literally says "Hell on Earth", so

HQuake when?

I want to fuck the Shambler.

>>3645050
They made Doom 3 and more recently 4 though, the latter of which was a hell of lot better received than quake 4.

>>3645059
Neither of those were made by ID.

>>3645061
Yes they were, who the hell are you thinking of?

penis penis vagina

>>3645005
That face texture is the best texture in Doom.

Holy shit Doom is casual garbage.

why would anyone play doom if there's a new call of duty in stores?

>>3645078
>>3645087
>>3645093

how bored are you

>>3645096
How bored are you if you play this abominable fucking ''baby's first shooter'' instead of glorious Quake?

To anyone else that has played D4DHF, have you been able to find the weapons it adds?

>>3644879
Sounds like my kind of stuff, I'm tired of Doom 2's cryptic bullshit.

Doom ruined my life I hate this game.

this thread is now about manatees

>>3645061
>DOOM has the ID logo when you start it
>unskippable
>"n-no it's not ID"

I can't believe how shit Doom is compared to Quake 2.

I can't believe how shit Doom is compared to Dawn Of Discovery.

I can't believe how shit Doom is compared to Daikatana.

I can't believe how badly I have to shit.

Quake 4 is the pinnacle of FPS genre.

>>3644961
I don't think I've ever actually played a map that had big square arenas with monsters thrown in and I've played combat shock 2.

Blood 2 is the pinnacle of the FPS genre.

I can't believe how shit Doom is compared to Thief.

>>3645146
Then you should remember this map.

Can we all agree that Skillsaw is the unchallenged god of mapping? Valiant and Ancient Aliens are the best doom campaigns ever made.

>>3645158
Both are garbage piles of fucking shit that made me hate Doom.

>>3645158
I find Ancient Aliens to be prettier to look at more than well designed and entertaining structurally-wise.

Pretty much all of nowadays cacoward winning wads blow the original levels out of the water. Except E1 and E4 of Ultimate Doom all commercial doom levels are shit.

>>3644715
>DoomKart
Screw my previous statement about physics, I'm actually close to getting momentum in curves and shit working somewhat properly. Murders the warp interpolation for the turret and barrel ATM though.

A tank is easier than a car since it turns around it's own center though, so there are no wheel angle to account for.

>>3645157
Am I the only one that doesn't enjoy FPS when there are too many enemies? I loved the recent DOOM because when you shoot a baron in the face, it becomes all bloody and disgusting, and you really feel like you crippled that son of a bitch, that the only thing distracting him from the awful pain he's going through is his absolute hate for you.

>>3645158
>Ancient Aliens
There's really a wad named like that?

>>3645165
id had less than a year to learn mapping in a way nobody ever done before. Community had years to perfect all the techniques and intricacies.

This is a complete list of all wads anyone needs, forget about the rest, it's all shit compared to these:

Ancient Aliens
Back To Saturn X 1+2
Sunlust
Valiant

>>3645172
>Ancient Aliens

Yes, and it's pretty cool, albeit too gimmicky to my liking.

>>3645157
yes, and that was more about the platforming on the sides.

>>3645178
Going Down is definitely worth a few playthroughs as well.

>>3643748
favourite map in ultimate doom desu

>>3645178
Going Down, Scythe and Pirate Doom deserve a mention for being comfy as fuck and not having ''epic'' bullshit switchhunt levels. Fuck large maps.

>>3643875
Combined Arms is pretty fun, so was GMOTA. Also if you want to burn everything down there's Guncaster.

HXRTC has pure volume on both weapons and enemies, but it's also pretty cluttered because of it. Probably best used with Oblige.

>>3645179

The first map is called "Ancient Navajo Wolf Warp"

'Nuff said, this was is boss.

>>3645186
Combined Arms is garbage.

>>3645189
It can be summarised as:
Run fast. Avoid Rockets. Incite Infighting. Telefrag a Cyberdemon.

>>3645194
Grab shotgun, shoot imps
woah that's almost every doom map woops

>>3645190
Your mom is garbage

>>3645198
Except grabbing shotgun and shooting imps are not gimmicks.

Combined Arms is the absolute worst mod in history of Doom.

>actually replying seriously
what the fuck guys

Doom 2 would be better if every enemy was a chaingunner.

>>3645218

what if you made every enemy an arch vile?

>>3645224
what if every 3 sectors was a crusher?

>>3645178
Memento Mori? Jenesis? SID? Vanguard?
Have you played any wads aside those you listed?

>>3645230
Every wad you mentioned is garbage.

>>3645158
He's a competent mapper yes, but to each his own.
Valiant apart the first and the last episode is very repetitive, most of the stuff felt like filler.
Ancient Aliens is impressive only for that particular aesthetics and for the visual stuff. The level design is rather boring (I'm not talking about the guest mappers) and it looks like he didn't have any more ideas after Valiant.

>>3645230
no and he doesn't give a fuck.

>>3645246

I truly don't because I know my shit. The listed wads are the definite set of Doom levels. Everyone who does not agree can go fuck a rabbid donkey's pungent asshole.

>>3645237
>Suspended in Dusk
>Garbage

>>3645242
Considering that Ancient Aliens only took a year it's very impressive but I agree about the level design. It has some great gems but playing it feels mediocre which is rather disappointing.

>play the russian overkill mod after a guy linked to it
>try the secret difficulty mod
The Pit becomes almost impossible.

let's face it PSX Doom had more badass gun and monster sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_684IdZxrJ8

i type this message with my penis

>>3645353
It must droop down something fierce if you can press the keys down with it.

if you can't beat Swift Death on UV you're a fucking casual

>>3645332
I think those monster sounds fit better with the Doom 64 sprites. It doesn't go too well with classic Doom's goofier sprites.
But I the gun sounds sound way better though. If anything, because they have more punch to them, and shooting your guns feels more satisfying.

so we're expected to sit along with the shitposter now I wager

>>3645370
Are you reporting it?

any interesting Doom challenges? I think about finishing Doom with fists only.

>>3645379
pacifist, no kills

>>3645379
I tried finishing with my fists only once, but I gave up at the cyberdemon. I had two choices, either tediously try again and again, or savescum, which might aswell be cheating. So I decided, "fuck it"

>>3645382
but that's fucking gay

speaking of gay I wish Baron fucked me without a condom

lost souls may be annoying but they're cute

the way they just float about at 0,3mph with no direction whatsoever and how they just charge in on you, only to stumble straight into a wall and be like 'oh'

how they often fight one another clumsily

their death animation consisting of a mere 'pop'

even the way they float around idly on doom 4, it looks like they're having a genuinely fun time. especially when you just run into a batch of them and it's almost like a disco party gathering of demon bone heads, and get sent flying away spiraled when killed

even their charge screams

>>3645391

Lost Souls are the cutest. Especially when they get hit with an errant shot mid-charge, so they're stuck like that.

>>3645379
>beat the cyberdemon shotgun only (very easy)
>pistol start every map
>chainsaw only
>basically any weapon only

>>3645398
rocket launcher only would be rather tactical

>>3645398
>any weapon only
but anon SSG only is the standard Doom 2 strat

>>3645391
doom in general is cute

even when it tries to be sewious and all it's just endearing and really charming, probably has to do with the lack of complexity on the frame animations monsters have, they're all big pudgy dumb dumbs

the 'theyre going to get you' track in E2M4 makes me chuckle silently whenever I listen to it, it's so adorable

what programs have decent md2/md3 plugins? preferably not outdated ones?

>>3645412
Smooth Doom fixes it

>>3645421
removes the charm you mean?

>>3645412
>the 'theyre going to get you' track in E2M4 makes me chuckle silently whenever I listen to it
>it's so adorable
https://youtu.be/TZQc9Uf5eSE

>>3645425
for me Doom never was a charming experience altough it's propably because my first contact with it was PSX version

>>3645426

It's a pretty calming song, really.
I remember someone did that major/minor tone shift thing to it, does anyone still have the song?

>>3645429
That one? https://soundcloud.com/marisa_desu/aeuhhh

is there any cheat to get berserk?

>>3645389
same

>>364544
not that I recall
just type 'give berserk' in the console

>>3645456
it worked thanks

Why is SgtMark so hell bent on turning Doom into some cinematic bullshit? His megawad feels like wannabe COD

>>3645441
summon berserk

>>3645460
the hell's cinematic about them?

fucking Zen Dynamics is far more cinematic than that and that one's considered one of the best Doom mods ever.

>>3645460
yeah most of his maps feel really gimmicky.

that being said, he's a much better mapper than he is a modder

>>3645473
I think he's right. At least the brutal Doom mod is cinematic as fuck.

I was relieved when I saw that the glory kills in DOOM only took half a second compared to the one in brutal Doom who drag on and on.

Did you ever skip a map or do you just grind your teeth together and try to finish it as quicky as possible?
I skipped map 26 of Scythe after a few failed attempts.

>>3645490
>I was relieved when I saw that the glory kills in DOOM only took half a second compared to the one in brutal Doom who drag on and on.
Then he went on and changed the animations to be briefer. after he, you know, went on a 'tism frenzy about how id supposedly stole his idea and WE WUZ BRUTAL and shiet.

>>3645492
only every single map that includes icon of the sin

>>3645496
Wasn't ID absolutely enthusiastic when they played Brutal Doom though?

Through I don't see why he threw a fit, he shoulda felt honored.

>>3645492
Always skip Schism and every Icon of Sin map of every megawad.

>>3645492
How do you "skip" a map?

Brutal Doom on Black Metal difficulty is quite fun.

>>3645509
Switch to the next map in the console.

>>3645509
use IDCLEV

So is deathmatch ded outside of FNF?

>>3645492
I don't, I sooner give up on the megawad than to skip a map. Feels like cheating real bad.

>>3645525
>cheating in single player games is bad

lmao

I must've fucked up something real bad with the setting. It's barely visible in game.

>>3645379
Classical challenge is NM. I finished KDiD, but then it's fuck you hard. I don't even know all the secrets lol.

>>3645532
>NM
nightmare?

>KDiD
what?

>>3643938
HEH

>>3645535
Yes.

Brain motherfucker, do you use it? Though it might be KDitD actually

>>3645529
not what I said, it's just not fun.

>>3644961
we get it, you're bitter

>>3645441
Idk about all the various ports, but the original was idbeholdb

>>3645373
>modern /vr/

He obviously isn't.

>>3645504
>Through I don't see why he threw a fit, he shoulda felt honored.

They didn't suck his dick enough. He probably expected to be mentioned in the credits like he was in the ROTT 2013 remake.

>>3645486
Agreed. His maps are okay, and he's one of the few mappers that makes full use of GZDoom's features. Everybody else just wants to make fucking boom compact maps.

>>3645531
You're supposed to play that wad with Plutonia as the megawad

>>3645554
Well I don't remember him crediting Mortal Kombat for the idea behind the fatalities.

>>3645531
You're supposed to load it with the plutonia IWAD

>>3645554
mapping for GZDoom sorta limits your audience, especially since not everyone likes GZDoom or some people cant run it because they play on notebooks or phones.

>>3645562
I don't remember him crediting anyone who's stuff he stole.

How do I fucking play secret master levels map in teeth.wad? I had a great wad, where it was just like levelpack - you start it and just play all the levels progressively without having to load them separately. But I deleted it when finished (retarded). Now I only have the separate wads and also master levels interface, but it requires some fucking slade programming in order for the secret level to work, so fuck that.

Does anybody have a simple master level wad with all the levels in order like an episode so I can play that fucking secret level?

Also does TNT have a super secret level?

>>3645569
I picked the fatalities because that's the thing I remember the most. I don't know what else he "borrowed" or "took inspiration" from.

>>3645553
then how am I submitting your post?

How to fix this?

>>3645582
acquire taste and contemplate murder suicide in your family's residence

>>3645582
Use Skulltag.
You can no longer play it with GZDoom.

>>3645554
>like he was in the ROTT 2013 remake.
what? why?

>>3645582
There is a patch somewhere but you would be better off switching to zandronum or the gzdoom version he got in that startpack.

>>3645589
>what? why?

They credited him as "gore instructor" or something as a joke because they enjoyed Brutal Doom.

>>3645585
Why not?

Also
>Skulltag
isn't Zandronum better?

>>3645609
I don't fucking know, I have the same issue.
Everyone seem to recommend Skulltag constnatly for whatever reason.

>>3644961
>Be Doom player
>Play Doom for likely over a decade and never bother to pick up basic mechanics well enough to deal with any halfways challenging monster count
>Come to /vr/ every week to get my sour grapes on

>>3645612
>Everyone seem to recommend Skulltag constnatly for whatever reason.
why would people recommend a dead port which engine doesn't even support half the features mods add to the game

it'd be like recommending an AMSTRAD to play San andreas

I just play Ultimate Doom on UV and guess what - it's still easy as fuck it simply added more monsters.

BTW after all these years I still don't now all secrets and don't really give a shit about them either.

>>3645679
why is it a common feature between trolls to have ass grammar?

>>3645706
Because it's often the same person who's posting said shit.

>>3645706
Why is it a common feature between Doom players to play dog shit wads?

>>3645706
shocker:

they're retarded.

>>3645679
Everyone already knows the official Doom wads are easy anon.

Post the comfiest wads

Gravity

Epic 1/2

Going Down

Pirate Doom

Scythe

>>3645561
>>3645563
>mfw i played through 60% of the wad without realizing this

>>3645718
Void.
most clan hq wads.

>>3645718
looks like my last solid turd

>>3645726
If you liked Void you will propably also like Dead Wire.

>>3645723
wew lad

>>3645718
rjumpextreme.

Is it cheating to use jump in Doom? I don't think it is unless you skip half of the map with it I mean if I just save myself one second to jump befote the elevator arrives it's not like I'm breaking the game.

>>3645739
No.

>>3645739
Yes, but if you prefer to play that way I'm not going to stop you.

>>3645739
if its the official wads and any wad that doesnt intend for you to use it, then yes

Does Quake and Doom take place in the same universe?

Also what are the creepiest wads which don't fucking turn Doom into a Slender clone?

>>3645760
Unloved.
Happy Time Circus 1 & 2.

>>3645762
Played those already.

>>3645760
No.

Maybe Ghoul's Forest 3. It's not Slender, but it's not that good either.

>>3645739
In a way, yes. But then again, even freelook can be considered cheating since you can use it to hit shootable switches that would otherwise require you to be in a certain spot in vanilla. So when it comes down to it, it all depends on whether or not you abuse it.

The best way to experience Doom is to play Brutal Doom with IDDQD and IDKFA on ''I'm too young to die''

>>3645612
It's just some retard forcer who's probably trolling. Skulltag is not a thing. It's properly dead, it ceased to be and even before that it was shit. It's an ex port.

If you get this error it just means the thing you're loading doesn't support zand (sometimes it does support beta 3, but not always). Just load everything in GZD for 0 problems.

>when every other post is a shitpost
save us

>>3645791
But I'm already using GZDoom.