So how did a console that was technically superior to the NES fail so epically

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Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:49:52 2013 No.362491 [Reply] [Original]

So how did a console that was technically superior to the NES fail so epically

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:50:52 2013 No.362495 Because Sega always sucked at marketing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:52:51 2013 No.362505 >>362491 1. Shit marketing 2. Nintendo got a three-year head start and was already dominant when the SMS appeared in 1986 3. Barely any good games

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:53:51 2013 No.362513 >>362505 >3. Barely any good games u wot m8

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:54:21 2013 No.362520 >>362513 Anything the SMS had that was any good never saw the light of day in the US and we got nothing but junk like Alf.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:54:51 2013 No.362518 The most powerful console is almost never the one that wins. See PS1, PS2, Wii, DS, 3DS, etc. It's all about marketing and them games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:55:21 2013 No.362521 Hmm... Piss-poor 3rd-party support, and stupid advertising in the US. The Master System did pretty well in Euroland, I hear. The NES just had SO GODDAMN MANY good games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:55:21 2013 No.362524 it didn't fail in europe

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:56:22 2013 No.362529 >>362518 also being less powerful allows them to be cheaper

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:57:52 2013 No.362534

>>362491
The real reason it failed is that Nintendo had the developers. They strong armed them, treated them like shit, and only let them put our 4 games per year, but Nintendo still had the developers.

It's expensive and difficult to woo developers to build on your platform. The one thing that no developer can resist, though, is a huge install base, and the NES got that very quickly because they had SMB and LOZ to sell the machine. Once everyone had one for SMB and LoZ, other developers could win too by publishing for the platform. Read up on Nintendo Quality Seal and why it exists.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:58:22 2013 No.362541

Sega didn't want to risk marketing the SMS in North America, so they gave it to Tonka, a company that makes fucking toy trucks and knew absolutely nothing about video games. As >>362520 said, Tonka consistently refused to import good games like Bubble Bobble and instead only approved shovelware. That and Nintendo prevented devs from making games on other systems.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:58:51 2013 No.362546
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Didn't fail in Australia, either.

I had one of these bad boys when I was a kid, Fantasy Zone, Ultima 4, Wonder Boy 3 The Dragons Trap, Sonic 1-2 and Chaos... Ecco the Dolphin was pretty good on the sms too

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 11:59:51 2013 No.362551 It was very succesfull in Brazil and Mexico (I'm not sure about Europe, but seems that had decent solds.) However, Nintendo had most popular games and a strong head start.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:01:21 2013 No.362565

When I was like 4 or 5 and I didn't have an NES yet, my dad came home one day with a big bag and said "Your aunt is letting us borrow her video games!" and when I looked in the bag there wasn't an NES and I got really confused. I didn't realize there were other video game systems out there. It went down hill from there. I imagine experiences like that were a big reason why the Master System failed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:03:21 2013 No.362580 >>362551 >Brazil >In 2009, Master System Evolution (a new version) was released in Brazil, a successor to the Master System 3, including 132 built-in games. Oh man.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:03:52 2013 No.362583

>>362505
>2. Nintendo got a three-year head start and was already dominant when the SMS appeared in 1986

Sega released their first console, the SG-1000, in the summer of 1983 almost simultaneous with the Famicom. But it was little more than a Colecovision with different controllers and unable to compete with Nintendo's much newer technology. Although the SG-1000 was sold in some parts of Europe, it never reached North America and was replaced by the Mark III in 86, a fully up-to-date system. The Master System was essentially a modified Mark III sold in the US and PAL regions.

However, as Nintendo completely dominated the Japanese and North American markets, the SMS only performed well in PAL areas (especially Britain, Australia, and Brazil)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:03:52 2013 No.362585 >>362491 sms was pretty shit tier overall, I don't recall ever meeting anyone that owned the system back in the days when it really mattered and the reason for it was what >>362505 said. It was just too late for the poor thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:05:51 2013 No.362596 NES does have better sound than the SMS though, which just has 3-voice square waves+white noise

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:06:21 2013 No.362602 >>362541 That explains why every American thinks the system was shit. It's a pity, you guys should really try some of the games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:06:51 2013 No.362604 >>362583 >But it was little more than a Colecovision with different controllers and unable to compete with Nintendo's much newer technology Sega sold a version of the Colecovision?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:07:51 2013 No.362617 in the UK they were a lot more common than NES

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:09:51 2013 No.362627 >>362596 I beg to differ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2YbwIuhv0E

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:10:21 2013 No.362628
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>>362534
Funny story about Nintendo's bullshit. Namco had told Nintendo to fuck off in the early days, and ran to Sega to make shitty arcade ports. Of course they sold like buckets of wet shit, and Namco had to crawl back to Nintendo and eat so much crow.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:10:51 2013 No.362632

>>362604
Kind of. The SG-1000 used the same chipset as the Colecovision (Z80 mated to a TMS 9918/19 duo) but it wasn't directly programming compatible (the memory map and controllers were different, but you could port games between the two with only a couple modifications to the code).

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:11:51 2013 No.362636 >>362627 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGNSHNf-nlU

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:12:52 2013 No.362646 >>362617 the UK lanch of the NES was an absolute farce, which is one of the reasons SMS got a foothold.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:13:22 2013 No.362650 >>362596 Dude... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCSHeGlzH0

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:14:22 2013 No.362659 >>362636 That had incredible fidelity, for a NES

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:18:22 2013 No.362678

Superior hardware is rarely the winner of a generation.

Otherwise, the Game Gear would've trounced the Game Boy, the Neo Geo would've won the 16-bit wars, N64 would've blown away the PS, PSP would have beaten the DS, the Xbox would've destroyed the PS2, and the Wii would never have had a chance at all.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:18:22 2013 No.362681
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>>362632
MSX computers also used the Z80+TMS 9918/19 and their emulators also support Colecovision and SG-1000 games.

Since the TMS 9918/19 were off-the-shelf chips, sometimes multiple versions of a game existed on them

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:19:22 2013 No.362686 >>362505 I don't count "head starts". Look at the Saturn and Dreamcast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:20:22 2013 No.362697 >>362529 Not necessarily. See the Playstation vs. Saturn.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:21:22 2013 No.362701

>>362580
I remember that. I've see one of that in a store in my town. Nobody plays with that, except oldfags who doesn't know about portatible emulators.

That console sucks. Most part of games is about things like "checkers", "tic-tac-toe", etc. A few months later the same company made a console called Zeebo, wih sucked even more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:21:22 2013 No.362702 >>362491 Nintendo used horrible anti-competition moves that were practically illegal. Also as I recall reading, the MS lacked a killer app to compete with Mario.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:22:22 2013 No.362709 >>362701 >wich >auto fix'd

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:22:22 2013 No.362710 The SMS does support SG-1000 modes for backwards compatibility, at least Japanese models. Also US Master Systems have no compatibility problems with almost all PAL games so you can freely play Bubble Bobble, 8-bit Sonic, et al on them.

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 12:24:22 2013 No.362719 >>362534 >>362541 >Nintendo monopolizing development Oh boy. Karma's a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:24:52 2013 No.362721 >>362702 Double Dragon was a BIG deal on SMS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:25:22 2013 No.362726 In the U.S., only my poor friends had a SMS. I played a lot of choplifter and shinobi when I'd go to their poor ass houses though...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:25:22 2013 No.362727 >>362719 Not when Sega is making games for Nintendo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:26:23 2013 No.362740 Lack of third party support, same thing that killed everything that went up against the Game Boy and GBA.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:26:53 2013 No.362732 >>362602 I honestly have not known or seen anything about it, so okay, I will give it another chance. Probably on Wii emulator that hopefully exists. Any recommendations? Do I need to get a ton of PAL roms to really see what the system was about?

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:26:53 2013 No.362734

>>362710
>The SMS does support SG-1000 modes for backwards compatibility, at least Japanese model

more correctly, the Master System is internally the same as the Mark III, but the cartridge slot is wired differently and an adapter is required to exchange games between the two

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:26:53 2013 No.362739 >>362681 That's a nice collage of ant pictures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:27:23 2013 No.362743 >>362732 >Any recommendations? Do I need to get a ton of PAL roms to really see what the system was about? Pretty much. 80% of all SMS games worth playing are PAL ones.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:27:52 2013 No.362749 >>362628 Nintendo was still a humongous douchebag back then. I'm glad that Playstation came around, slapped their shit, and made them go back and learn how to do healthy business relations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:28:23 2013 No.362754 >>362678 Indeed, it's typically both the cheapest to build (and thus sell) and the most easily broken (more recently, look at the PS2 and DS)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:30:53 2013 No.362767 >>362721 Forgive my ignorance then. I remember Double Dragon on the NES as well though, what's up with that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:31:22 2013 No.362769 >>362727 That's their own fault for being so retarded at business.

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 12:31:52 2013 No.362773 >>362727 I mean how Sony basically starved Nintendo of the popular developers for successive generations. Not /vr/, but the Wii U is failing hard for this reason. Saging because I don't want this turning into Nintendo vs Sega vs Sony

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:34:52 2013 No.362785 >>362541 I swear Sega has had some of the worst decision makers of any company I've ever seen.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:35:52 2013 No.362792

>>362734
One other thing: Just like the Genesis, the Master System checks for an ID string in the cartridge header on power-up to ensure that it's a licensed game. Mark III games normally won't work since they don't have an ID string (nor will SG-1000 games for that matter).

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:38:22 2013 No.362810 >>362785 Yeah. I always feel a little sad when I'm visiting London and go past the Sega building with the huge Sonic and wonder what could have been if they weren't such fucktards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:41:22 2013 No.362825 >>362785 I want someone like Steve L. Kent to do a book on how much Sega dropped the fucking ball throughout the 90's.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:44:52 2013 No.362840

>>362825
>>362785
They got lucky with the Genesis only because Nintendo had no 16-bit console (and apparently no plans on the table for a successor to the Famicom) in 1988, and thus managed to get firmly established during the two years until the SNES arrived.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:46:22 2013 No.362848 >>362840 >because Nintendo had no 16-bit console (and apparently no plans on the table for a successor to the Famicom) wow really? that's poor product planning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:49:04 2013 No.362867 >>362848 It's true. The Famicom was selling as fast as Nintendo could make them and they had no serious competition or pressure to come out with a 16-bit console until the Genesis essentially caught them with their pants down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:50:52 2013 No.362869 >>362541 >That and Nintendo prevented devs from making games on other systems I guess that explains why Nintendo has so little third-party support these days compared to Sony and Microsoft. Serves them right for being twats.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:55:22 2013 No.362891

>>362867
Similar thing with the original Gameboy. It had no real competition either, but by the mid-90s, devs began demanding a more powerful handheld system. Nintendo began work on a 32-bit successor to the Gameboy in 1996, but in order to hold everyone over until then, they produced the interim GBC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 12:56:52 2013 No.362896 >>362869 Actually Nintendo's lock on devs was ended in 1990 when a US district court ruled NoA to be in violation of anti-trust laws.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:00:52 2013 No.362925

>>362840
yeh in the early wild west days of the game industry, there wasn't a lot of orderly product planning like today. Like Atari got burned by the Colecovision and had to quickly throw together the 5200. Same with Nintendo having to respond to the Genesis in a hurry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:04:22 2013 No.362949 >>362518 You forgot price, which for normal people is the number one consideration.

>>	Tensnake !S/BuDDdVmc Fri Apr 5 13:04:53 2013 No.362945 File: 624 KB, 570x559, 1310852670424.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The technically inferior console usually "wins" their gen though.

>>	Tensnake !S/BuDDdVmc Fri Apr 5 13:07:22 2013 No.362970 >>362949 If that were the case then N64 and Gamecube should've "won" their gens.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:08:23 2013 No.362979

>>362565
>I imagine experiences like that were a big reason why the Master System failed.
I'm not so sure about that. Prior to the crash, multiple systems was the norm and a well known thing. Old games were often advertised for nearly a dozen systems at a time, since they specified how many different versions they had on each console by name.

True, younger kids wouldn't know this but older people would, if they were into electronics or vidya at all. You also see this with young kids today. So many little kids in the 4-5 year old range don't realise that their "first systems" are just one in a long line of consoles. If they don't have multiple systems in the house, many don't even realise that multiple consoles exist now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:08:53 2013 No.362982 >>362945 >PC >technically superior >wins forever

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:10:52 2013 No.363004 >>362970 Actually, DC should've won.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:11:52 2013 No.363007
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So the guy that was making the Master System/Game Gear list (also the NES one) seems to have bailed on the project. He was to give me a list and I'd make a template and paste it all here. Anyone willing to do it?
Please don't say the wikia, that place is a mess, the lists have grown too big.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:13:22 2013 No.363016 >>362602 >every American Not every American. I spent years rocking out on the SMS with my best friend, even when third gen systems were available. Though, to be fair, I grew up in Europe. So there is that.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:13:22 2013 No.363017

>>362982
>counting PC as a single platform when it's constantly needing to be updated
>not counting each hardware upgrade as a generation like you do with consoles

This is the double-standard that fanboys adhere to.

The Wii U is the 1st of the 8th generation of consoles. I'm fairly certain there have been more than 8 generations of PC hardware upgrades...

>>	Tensnake !S/BuDDdVmc Fri Apr 5 13:14:53 2013 No.363034 File: 480 KB, 251x198, approval2.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>363004 True

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:20:52 2013 No.363081

>>362867
Un-funny fact: The president of SOJ gave the president of SOA full clearance to do WHATEVER IT TOOK to kick Nintendo's ass. So SOA made Sonic a pack-in title to move Genesis systems.

Holy SHIT was there some shouting and ass-whipping in SOJ's executive boardroom! HOW COULD A BARBARIAN GAIJIN DO IN MERE MONTHS WHAT YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO IN YEARS?!

Then SOJ got a new president, and for SOME reason, the new SOJ did everything it could to hamstring SOA. See what happened with the 32X project, and the abysmal US Saturn launch and first year.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:22:52 2013 No.363093

Britfag here. I had a SMS back in the day as well did all my friends. There was this one odd kid I knew that had a NES, but he was a total faggot.

From what I can remember from the early 90s sega was huge over here. I know amercunts think the SMS was a huge fail but I beg to differ. Download a romset and you will be surprised at the overall quality. I personally, and by no means being biassed think it is much better than a NES.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:26:22 2013 No.363119 >>363007 The only good SMS game in that png is Power Strike 2. Alex Kidd in Miracle World fucks you over Gold Axe Warrior is terrible Psycho Fox is mediocre

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:30:23 2013 No.363147

>>363093
Fellow Britfag (West Midlands, if it matters); the NES (and SNES) were seen as the "rich kid" systems over here, probably because the games were like twice the price of the SMS and Mega Drive stuff.

Only kid I met with a NES back in the day was a stuck-up prick, still is. I mean, the NES was inferior tech and cost twice as much, that's enough to turn anyone into a prick.

Nintendo were still the undisputed kings of the handheld, though; because NoE got a clue when selling the Game Boy, it seems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:35:22 2013 No.363171 >>362982 >PC >counting it as console Whoaa your ego is showing, dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:41:52 2013 No.363215 >>362945 then why didn't the PS3 win?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:42:52 2013 No.363221 sega gets my full respect for porting the sonic games to the master system. They supported that thing so much

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:43:52 2013 No.363224 >>362491 Because the cord came out of the right side of the controller. What kind of retard wants to buy a game system where the they can't even design the controller properly? Yeah, besides casuals with wiis.

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 13:44:23 2013 No.363228 >>363215 It didn't. The Wii did, if you're talking about sheer sales numbers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:44:52 2013 No.363229 >>363007 >Alex Kidd Holy fuck, I must be a casual or something, can't get past the first stage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:45:22 2013 No.363236 >>363221 Why wouldn't they? In 91, the thing was still popular in Europe and Brazil, especially the latter. Hell, I think TecToy made Brazilian exclusive Master System games (and Master System ports of Game Gear games) until the turn of the Millennium.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:50:52 2013 No.363260 >>363224 >complaining about the cord >has obviously never held the glorious controller in his had I feel bad for you, son.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:54:52 2013 No.363273 >>363260 The sms controller was much more comfortable compared to the NES pad. I had calluses on my hand from that thing. Also, the standard pad had the cord on the front. I've never seen the pad in OP's pic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:55:52 2013 No.363278 The thin grey gridlines on white background are immensely nostalgic for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:56:23 2013 No.363282 >>363119 >Alex Kidd in Miracle World fucks you over That is bad how exactly?

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:58:52 2013 No.363289

>>362773
The WiiU failing isn't Sony's fault, it's all Nintendo's

>N64 comes out, doesn't use CDs
>Developers say F- this, move to Sony
>Nintendo says fine, doesn't need 3rd party anyway!
>N64 is supported mainly by 1st and 2nd party games. Thanks, Rareware!
>Gamecube comes out, doesn't support DVDs
>Developers say F- this, stay with Sony
>Nintendo sells their cashcow Rareware to Microsoft, leaving a 2nd party void on the GC
>Gamecube is supported mainly by first and second party games
>Wii comes out, controllers are a gimmick
>Developers say F- this, stay with Sony and Microsoft
>Gimmick turns out to be a SMASH HIT
>3rd party developers rush to figure out how to make Wii games to cash in
>They're too stupid to figure it out, ask Nintendo for help
>Nintendo tells them to EAT SHIT for abandoning them for the past several generations
>WiiU comes out, controller is an even bigger and more expensive gimmick. Developers have learned Nintendo won't help them
>Developers say F- this it's not even a new console cycle yet.
>WiiU is not supported by any games

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 13:59:52 2013 No.363295 It was much more popular in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:00:22 2013 No.363302 >>363282 If the unfair trial-and-error paper-rock-scissors boss 'fights' weren't bad enough, when you get to the very last stage you'll see what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:00:52 2013 No.363303 It showed up too late to battle with the nes. I grew up with Nintendo stuff and I didn't really hear about it. I never actually saw one in person until the late 90s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:01:52 2013 No.363308 >>363289 as retarded as this sounds it makes sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:01:52 2013 No.363310 >>363289 >WiiU is not supported by any games WiiU has some good games for it. I'm actually excited for Deus Ex: HR fixed edition

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 14:02:22 2013 No.363313 >>363289 You can say 'fuck', you know. I mostly agree about Nintendo. But having fuck-all developers onboard for the Wii U is not helping Nintendo much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:05:22 2013 No.363321 >>363302 I played it and beat it multiple times as a kid. It's hard, but it's bad because it's hard? I never got that logic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:07:22 2013 No.363330 >>363313 This is essentially why the PS4 and Nextbox are nothing more than desktop PCs in different packaging So easy to code for, even a retard could do it 3rd party guaranteed Multiplatforms of all the biggest titles guaranteed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:11:23 2013 No.363350 >>362982 >>>/v/

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 14:12:23 2013 No.363354 >>363330 Yeah, massively-powerful single-purpose PCs, it makes you wonder why they didn't think of this years ago when the 3dfx started appearing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:12:23 2013 No.363356 >>363330 then why are people shitting themselves over a valve console

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 14:14:22 2013 No.363365 >>363356 No one (i.e. the big 3) is shitting themselves over that, unless you mean shitting themselves laughing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:14:22 2013 No.363371 >>363356 I'm shitting myself because it's common knowledge at this point that it's going to be linux based and it's going to finally usher in an era of linux gaming

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:15:22 2013 No.363372 >>363356 Because some people worship Valve Imagine the amount of hype that would be generated if Apple announced to all the kiddies out there that they were making a new vidya console >OMG Apple is making it? Guaranteed quality!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:15:52 2013 No.363373 >>363365 are...are you serious? All of the internet wants the fucking thing. They can't stop talking about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:16:22 2013 No.363376 >>363372 >same specs as gamecube >3,000 dollars

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:16:52 2013 No.363384 >>363376 The sad thing is, Appledrones would still buy it

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:19:23 2013 No.363403

>>363321
I never said it was bad because it was hard. It's just an unfair prick of a game. You definitely need to play the game again and again and again to take notes for the bosses and the combination for the last room to defeat the game (I didn't know about needing any combo the first time I reached there after many tries, and it was a cunt after having swam through flooded rooms with deadly spikes on every surface).

I simply don't think it was a very good game, despite nostalgia

gunh Fri Apr 5 14:19:53 2013 No.363398

>>363373
I don't know if the whole internet wants it. I've seen a few /v/ threads about it, and that's gonna be the typical Steam kids.
I'll reserve judgement on it till actual release. I just think it's typical console hype, and I've been seeing that since the 4th gen, so I'm kinda jaded about it now.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:20:53 2013 No.363406

>>363289

They also failed to educate the consumer on the machine, we all know the Wii U is a new machine but the casuals don't, there's people that think that the Wii U is some sort of attachment for the Wii.

The controller also turns them off, you know a non gamer adult the Wiimote and they don't have to many problems with it, its small, unobtrusive.

You show them the tablet what the fuck is that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:20:53 2013 No.363407 >>363310 >2 year old port That's not a good library.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:24:52 2013 No.363431 >>363407 don't put words in my mouth. I said what I was excited for. There are plenty of games coming out for it that are brand new. like bayonetta 2, TW101, X, The new zelda. I could humor you some more but you can just google it yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:28:52 2013 No.363451 >>363371 >it's going to finally usher in an era of linux gaming Your dark prophecies will never be allowed to pass!

gunh Fri Apr 5 14:29:52 2013 No.363471

>>363431
I own a Wii and I don't know if I would definitely have bought one anyway at this point because I usually wait a few years until after a system is released to see which way the wind blows, but what I've seen of the U (on that day when they announced a ton of new stuff incl. WW HD) is not compelling enough to make me give a shit. I realize there's more to come, but I can't see myself giving that much of a fuck about the exclusives to care. I'm thinking the same about the PS4 so it's probably just me being jaded as fuck about vidya now I'm in my 30s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:36:22 2013 No.363523 >>363371 >Not linux gaming >2013 You got UT, Battle of Wesnoth, Quake 3 mods, and open source versions of nearly every popular game known. You're late.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:36:22 2013 No.363527 >>363523 *Battle For Wesnoth

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:37:22 2013 No.363528
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>>363403
Having said that, at least it isn't as unfair as Alex Kidd in Hi Tech World. Seriously, fuck that game. Not because it's hard, but because it fucks you over 10 times worse than Miracle World does.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:38:52 2013 No.363541 >>363523 I know about those and I play them. I'm talking about new releases mayne

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 14:42:22 2013 No.363559 File: 22 KB, 679x427, 1286921344860.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>363541 >New releases >/vr/

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 15:02:22 2013 No.363728

British perspective: In the 80s hardly anyone had a console, we were playing on 8-bit microcomputers like the C64 and Spectrum, because the games (on tape) were much cheaper. When the NES came along only rich cunts could afford it. It had a great *reputation* and everyone wanted one, but nobody could afford it. The Master System was a bit cheaper, so it did a lot better than the NES, but still not as well as computers.

Then by the 90s and the 16-bit generation, the SNES and Mega Drive were equally successful, but the Master System was always there as a cheaper option for the poor kids, so it continued to do quite well.

To be honest, there's hardly anything on Master System that wasn't better on other consoles, so you only need to emulate it out of curiosity. Some of the games seem to look better than NES, but only because the Master System had a brighter colour palette (pure reds and blues rather than the pinky purples and oranges of NES).

Decent-ish games (or better than NES):

Alex Kidd
Mickey Mouse games (Castle of Illusion, etc)
Ghostbusters (still shit, but better than NES)
Golden Axe Warrior (interesting Zelda clone)
Phantasy Star
Simpsons - Bart vs the Space Mutants (shit, but better than NES)
Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 (decent downgraded Sonic games)
Wonder Boy III - The Dragon's Trap

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 15:16:22 2013 No.363873 I'm gonna get one at some point. Apparently there is no regional lockout between US and UK games. But, can I play JP games on one?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 16:29:23 2013 No.364520 >>363302 This! It was my second videogame but the rock-paper-scissors boss is actual artificial difficulty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 16:38:53 2013 No.364585 >>363081 It worked though. The Saturn was Japan's most popular Sega System, but at the expense of the rest of the world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 16:39:23 2013 No.364592 >>362754 DS phat is more durable than PSP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 16:48:55 2013 No.364680 >>363371 >>363541 >Bioshock Infinite uses Unreal Engine 3 >Unreal Engine has a Linux port >$12 million dollar budget, no Bioshock Infinite on Linux Well at least Dungeon Defenders is a ported UrE3 game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 17:05:53 2013 No.364830 >>363119 I didn't make myself clear, that's not the list, that's just the template with placeholder games and text

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 17:06:22 2013 No.364840 >>363119 >Gold Axe Warrior is terrible Yeah well fuck your shit. I loved Golden Axe Warrior

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 17:19:22 2013 No.364932 >>364592 not the one you are responding to, but i think the guy meant 'broken' as in jailbroken, hacked or whatever these things are called.

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 17:42:22 2013 No.365137 >>364592 Dunno about that, PSPs are pretty fucking tough. Did you watch that video of the Jap kid trying to destroy one?

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 17:51:53 2013 No.365217 >>365137 This is actually the first youtube I ever saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMW2tiJ44hU Also, that hinge on the DS would be the first thing to crumble under strain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 17:56:22 2013 No.365272 If two men step into an arena, one armed with a pistol with 200 clips and the other a rocket launcher with no ammo, which of the two has the more superior hardware? Now which one wins?

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 17:58:22 2013 No.365297 File: 34 KB, 250x250, 1339749980163.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>365272 >not using the rocket launcher like a baseball bat

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:00:52 2013 No.365309 >>365297 Gun also beats bat. It's just science.

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 18:02:23 2013 No.365328 >>365309 Guns can also jam/take seconds to load. Those few seconds are all I need to give the other guy a new cave in the side of his head.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:03:23 2013 No.365343 File: 924 KB, 245x245, 1364889386145.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>365272 > clips

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:05:22 2013 No.365369 >>363873 >But, can I play JP games on one? Already discussed earlier in the thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:06:52 2013 No.365384 >>363236 They did. Mostly they'd hack games like Wonderboy in Monster World and replace sprites with well known brazillian cartoon characters, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:08:22 2013 No.365402 >>365328 Good luck with that, my mentally handicapped friend. I wish you the best in your idiotic endeavors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:08:22 2013 No.365415 >>365402 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:09:52 2013 No.365420 File: 3 KB, 640x420, congo_bongo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>362681 IS THAT SOME MOTHERFUCKIN CONGO BONGO

>>	gunh Fri Apr 5 18:10:52 2013 No.365431 File: 23 KB, 450x299, 1348780820302.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>365402 Whatever, m8

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:10:52 2013 No.365435

>>365384
Oh, I know. The majority of TecToy's "original" games were reskinned Alex Kidd and Wonderboy stuff, but they also did a lot of GameGear to Master System ports in the mid-late 90s, which isn't as well documented.

Basically, due to the MS's inferior colour depth capabilities, they were essentially upscaled, washed out GG games... but still good enough, I guess.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:19:52 2013 No.365509

American perspective:

During the late 80s, the NES virtually dominated console gaming here while computer gamers had PCs or Commodore machines. Most American computer stuff was RPGs, strategy, and adventures and we didn't generally play arcade games on them. PC clones sucked at those and many of the arcade ports on the C64 and Amiga in 86-90 were actually made in Europe and converted to NTSC for the US market. Since Europeans didn't really have consoles in the 80s, they did arcade games and side-scrollers on computers.

Also of course we had disk drives on our C64s while Britain was cassette tape only. So we could have larger, more complex multiload games than them. Stuff like Pirates! and Maniac Mansion never reached British C64 users, although they had them in Germany and other parts of continental Europe where disks were used.

But despite our larger, more complex C64 games, we somehow never mastered the VIC-II and SID, and to the end NTSC titles looked and sounded like crap compared to their PAL cousins. There was no American equivalent of Turrican or Creatures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:22:52 2013 No.365529 >>365420 Yeh I think Coleco ported Sega's arcade games to the TMS 9918/19 better than Sega did. The SG-1000 versions are definitely inferior to the Colecovision despite both consoles using essentially the same hardware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:31:25 2013 No.365624 >>365529 Was just comparing them on Youtube. SG-1000 Congo Bongo doesn't have the isometric view and Zaxxon on the Coleco scrolls more smoothly.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:35:53 2013 No.365681

>>362678
The NES had superior hardware for three whole years until the SMS came out. The SMS was then outdone by the TG16 a year later, which ushered the 4th generation in.

In modern perspective, it's like having the 360 come out, and the PS3 took 3 years to be designed and made. The next year, the Wii U rolls around, despite having barely superior hardware.

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:39:52 2013 No.365735

>>362749
>healthy business relations
>wearing a Luigi hat and having a bunch of stuffed Luigi dolls lying around in Nintendo Direct

As much as he hurt Nintendo, Yamauchi at least let Nintendo taste real Nintendomination from 1990 to around 1996. The SNES and Game Boy dominated their respective markets, and even the now obsolete NES was getting support.

Nintendo won't ever be a powerful company again, they'll just fall back onto their handhelds.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:41:52 2013 No.365759 >>362551 Funny cause here in Mexico, the most i saw of the Master System is being offer as Win Prixe in Chabelo's Program and being sold at LEY. but for the most part, Mexico was Nintendo's Territory.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 18:48:52 2013 No.365810 Where I lived. the Sega Genesis was always the "black kids" console. I didn't know anyone with a SMS though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 20:06:52 2013 No.366426 >>365735 Yeah, but he was a dick about it. At least now they can probably actually work with companies instead of whip them into compliance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 22:54:52 2013 No.367858 >>365509 >Since Europeans didn't really have consoles in the 80s NES and SMS launched in Europe in 1987

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:03:22 2013 No.367924
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>>362628
oh man, I have one of these, I bought sonic the hedgehog Complete and it looked brand new never used. It had this poster in it with a cool golden axe one on the other side. I really need to frame it someday

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:22:23 2013 No.368064 >>367924 I can never find copies of Sonic with that poster. I've bought at least a dozen or so copies of the game that had the manual in mint condition but none have the poster, i'm not even sure it came with the Aus version.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:23:22 2013 No.368075 >>365810 Where did you live? I've heard that the Genesis did do pretty well with black people, and I'm curious to hear more about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:25:52 2013 No.368086 >>362628 >Namco had told Nintendo to fuck off in the early days, and ran to Sega to make shitty arcade ports Burning Force on the Genesis was a good game, though I'm sure it didn't sell all that well.

Thatmew !y.aZ6nV0iM Fri Apr 5 23:31:52 2013 No.368124
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>>368064
As someone who bought Sonic 1 brand new around 1993 or 1994 I don't recognize that poster at all. I guess it depends on when it was produced.

I know for a fact that the Sonic 1 I bought way back when came with either the ToeJam and Earl Poster, the Batman Returns one, or Sonic 2's poster since I kept and hung up all my posters as a kid. I want to say my Sonic 1 came with the TJ&E poster, though. My memory of the specifics are really fuzzy.

It's really, really difficult finding copies with those posters still intact. Every first party Genesis game (And many third party titles) should have come with one. I've bought maybe one or two used Genesis games that actually were complete with the original poster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:32:22 2013 No.368138 >>365735 >SNES dominated Maybe in Japan, but in the USA it was split between Genesis and SNES, in other parts the Megadrive was more popular.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:41:53 2013 No.368196 File: 99 KB, 640x874, GLOC air battle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>367924 >Genistick OH GOD I HAD ONE OF THOSE, ALONG WITH G-LOC AIR BATTLE. God damn those were great times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:50:22 2013 No.368256 >>368196 Fucking amazing music in that game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrikcuVy8k

Anonymous Fri Apr 5 23:53:52 2013 No.368275

>>368256
No kidding, the music is really rocking, and the further you progress the less rock it becomes but is still blood pumping. I remember I went on vacation to Arizona and I brought my Genesis with me and one day on the vacation I finally beat G-LOC and just left the system on for awhile watching my initials scroll by in the score screen.

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 06:48:23 2013 No.370913

If Commodore had put all their effort into making a console or a gaming-dedicated computer instead, it would have been awesome, the graphics and sound of both C64 and Amiga were much better than any console at the time, too bad about the memory and other hardware problems.

>>	gunh Sat Apr 6 07:11:23 2013 No.370979 File: 66 KB, 450x373, 1324985154017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>370913 >If Commodore had put all their effort into making a console or a gaming-dedicated computer instead >gaming-dedicated computer >Commodore what

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 13:55:23 2013 No.373023 >>362491 It didn't have many good games that were not 1. First or Second Party 2. Ports of something

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:06:23 2013 No.373097 >>364840 Golden Axe Warrior is a better Zelda than Zelda is these days.

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:11:53 2013 No.373130

>>370913
I think the NES was somewhat equal the C64 in graphics, somewhat behind in sound. That's why FDS games have different sound; they improved it a little for that machine. If Commodore had managed to sell the SID chip in 1982, then the Famicom might have had one instead.

but it seems that computer companies just wanted to sell a stripped-down version of their computers. like Atari and the XEGS. The graphics and sound chips in there were designed in 1979, and you're going to sell that against the NES in 1988?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:13:53 2013 No.373142 Because it didn't have Shigeru Miyamoto

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:21:23 2013 No.373202 [DELETED]

>>373130
The problem with C64 was storage and how it dealt with the code.
You could contain much denser code on a NES cartrage that was then read instantly, with the C64 you'd have to use multiple diskettes to reach the same quality as the typical NES game offered and still suffer load times. That said, SID > NSF.

NES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9aa2hI8pvw

C64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJdxEyMDmKk

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:24:54 2013 No.373223

>>373130
The problem with C64 was storage and how it dealt with the code.
You could contain much denser code on a NES cartrage that was then read instantly, with the C64 you'd have to use multiple diskettes to reach the same quality as the typical NES game offered and still suffer load times. That said, SID > NSF.

NES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9aa2hI8pvw

C64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwoIGDjoQI

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:35:54 2013 No.373304 >>363081 >reading stories about the Sonic Xtreme development >no longer have any respect for Yuji Naka or any SoJ or SoA executive at the time That was a company that deserved to burn.

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:36:53 2013 No.373318

>>367858
Nearly the end of the decade. European home computers were big in like 1982, By the time the NES/SMS hit, home computers secured the gaming market pretty successfully. Might have something to do with PC gamings presence in Europe today, and how it's still bigger than consoles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 14:46:53 2013 No.373432 >>363017 the thing is, PC hardware isn't really generational. A lot of it is iterative with some big steps taken between iterations where the major performance jumps happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 15:58:55 2013 No.373909 yeah every 8-bit computer had a shitty design flaw that we all had to deal with. For the commodore 64, it was the slow disk access, due to the VIC chip screwing up the timing -- except, all the fastloaders worked with the screen on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 16:06:25 2013 No.373974 For the atari 8-bit, it was how insanely slow the BASIC interpreter was, and the OS had screwed up disk I/O so every DOS disk had to use up valuable RAM to patch it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 22:23:55 2013 No.377494 >>362491 >technically superior

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 07:38:25 2013 No.380596 test

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 07:47:55 2013 No.380627

>>373223
I think I covered this in detail in another thread. NES games are less code-dense than C64 because of the following reasons:

*Scrolling on the PPU is much simpler
*Banking ROMs from a cartridge is simpler than loading disk files (which also tends to include built-in fastloaders and other overhead)
*NES PRG ROMs are stored in neat pieces while on C64, you typically have multiple files containing level data

Thus NES Castlevania was 128k, but over 400k on C64. Maniac Mansion is 256k and 340k respectively. SMB would probably be at least 25% bigger on the C64 and need a multiload.

On the other hand, some arcade ports (particularly early ones) are smaller on the NES because they didn't have large enough ROMs in the beginning and so Donkey Kong is better on the C64 (both the Atarisoft and Ocean ports).

Pac-Man is better on the NES because it came out in 85 when 16k ROMs were more affordable while the Atarisoft ports from two years earlier used 8k cartridges.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 07:53:56 2013 No.380648

>>373909
>For the commodore 64, it was the slow disk access, due to the VIC chip screwing up the timing -- except, all the fastloaders worked with the screen on

The slow disk access had nothing to do with the VIC-II, but because the VIA I/O chip in the VIC-20 had a hardware bug that prevented it from working reliably at high bitrates.. Commodore thus programmed the kernel to an extremely slow transfer rate when performing disk access. Although the C64 used a different I/O chip without the bug, they were still forced to retain those slow speeds to avoid breaking compatibility with the 1541 (it was reasoned that VIC-20 users upgrading to a C64 would be pissed at finding their peripherals no longer worked).

Fastloader programs simply reprogram the C64 for higher transfer speeds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 08:00:55 2013 No.380683 >>373909 >every 8-bit computer had a shitty design flaw that we all had to deal with In the case of the Apple II, it was having no interrupts.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 09:37:55 2013 No.381070

>>373130
>I think the NES was somewhat equal the C64 in graphics

PPU is high resolution and doesn't have Lego block graphics like the VIC-II, but the attribute system really sucks and in some ways is more limiting. It also doesn't have a real bitmap mode.

That said, the VIC-II's scrolling is quite horrible compared to how it works on the PPU and the latter also has hardware sprite multiplexing (you don't need a raster routine to have >8 sprites on screen)

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 09:42:56 2013 No.381093

>>362491

The best console in terms of hardware almost never wins. Just look at how badly the PS2 beat up on the Xbox or the Wii beat up on everyone.

In fact the weakest system has won so many times to the point to where console-makers really need to stop thinking of hardware specs as much as they do, and focus more on making things easier for game development in order to get more games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 09:43:25 2013 No.381097 >>380648 Whoa, I never knew it was that simple. People bitch about that stuff so much, it's kind of funny that that was all it was.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 09:50:25 2013 No.381129

>>381093
The more advanced console usually loses, since it's more advanced because it came out later and the earlier console had a head start. The only exception to this is SNES vs Genesis, and that's solely due to Nintendo's status as the overwhelming industry leader at the time of the Genesis launch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 09:53:55 2013 No.381141 >>363228 >if you're talking about sheer sales numbers. And those numbers show what the market values the most, thus also saying what are "good games"

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 10:34:26 2013 No.381313

>>370913
>If Commodore had put all their effort into making a console or a gaming-dedicated computer instead,
Er, isn't that what they did? The computing press derided them for building "game machines" when business applications were the driving force in the market.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 10:50:55 2013 No.381395 >>381093 that is what sony surprisingly is doing now making their next console as simple as possible to develop instead of putting all their chips in raw power

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 11:01:56 2013 No.381462 In Australia, at least my neighborhood, I literally knew no one with a NES, and everyone had a SMS 2. I've still got like 2 in the shed for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 11:30:26 2013 No.381594 >>381070 the PPU actually can't generate a raster interrupt (unless you exploit the Sprite 0 bug) except on more advanced mappers

>>	ParkerPeters !K/SBi83mqI Sun Apr 7 11:43:56 2013 No.381642 >>362491 Third party support makes or breaks any console. Nintendo Seal of Quality locked third party support to NES

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 11:46:25 2013 No.381658 >>362867 It wasn't just the Genesis, the PC engine had come out the year before and was killing the Famicom in Japan. Despite the Turbografx selling like shit overseas it was a huge hit in Japan even being the top selling system for a few years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 12:04:25 2013 No.381747 >>365759 SMS stay in Mexico was short, I remember units for sale in stores like Liverpool and then it vanished. There was not much variety of titles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 12:17:25 2013 No.381824 >>363728 Golvellius is also a good Zelda clone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 16:03:26 2013 No.383724 Snail Maze ftw, you will get this stuck in your head, its been in mine ever since I got my Master System back in the day & it rears its head randomly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsrrqlByb7A

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:00:56 2013 No.384149 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Wp6T6XR90

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:06:56 2013 No.384191 >>362702 >Nintendo used horrible anti-competition moves that were practically illegal. Care to elaborate?

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:13:56 2013 No.384236

Nintendo didn't do anything wrong, they just outperformed and outsold the Master System cause it came first and had a much better library of games.

I really dunno why everything has to be some huge corporate conspiracy to ruin your favorite things, that's really much more /v/'s style than /vr/.

Also I can't post any images, I get a message saying every single one of them has an embedded file. That's... that's neat. Thanks, Moot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:17:56 2013 No.384261 I fucking love Altered Beast, Thunder Blade and King's Quest. Fuck Nintendo

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:18:56 2013 No.384270 Shining Force for MegaDrive twitch tv/warumonols/

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:22:26 2013 No.384293

>>362848
Nintendo had a 10 year plan for console life. That's why they didn't have a plan for the snes and only busted ass when they saw the Genesis/Master System doing well in 1990.

>King of Video Games
>10 year console release cycle

Remind you of anyone? Sony

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:27:26 2013 No.384335 >>362491 >technically superior That's an old argument that /v/ still considers valid. Technical specifications mean nothing if it doesn't have good games or a reasonable price tag.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:28:26 2013 No.384343

OMG you guys, Nintendo is so evil! They sabotaged Sega Master System ( best system ever!) and ruined them! It couldn't have been their super light selection of decent games and their late start to the market that did them in! IT HAS TO BE NINTENDO'S FAULT, SOMEHOW!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:56:56 2013 No.384574 >>384343 Could you fuck off back to /v/ with your console war bullshit? Adults are talking here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:59:27 2013 No.384615 >>384574 This.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 19:08:26 2013 No.385367 >>384236 For the most part this is true, but they did strongarm developers into staying exclusive to them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 19:11:26 2013 No.385404 >>362867 Not really true. Nintendo started developing the SNES in 1988, but they ran into unforeseen development troubles and it didn't end up coming out until two years later.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 20:12:26 2013 No.385979

>>384335
The IBM PC wasn't the only x86 machine made; there were others like the Tandy 2000 and HP 150 that were more technically advanced, but they didn't have the magic three letters on the case, nor were they open-architecture machines that anyone could develop for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:25:27 2013 No.387102 >>362491 shit, 99% of people on this board are probably under the age of 15 and don't even know that there were consoles earlier than the n64

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:27:27 2013 No.387121 Because the sound chip was crap compared to the NES one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:31:57 2013 No.387161 >>362982 PC sucked back in the 80's

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:44:27 2013 No.387267 >>362686 You're thinking of Streets of Rage, right?

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:51:27 2013 No.387327

>>362491
My family got this instead of an NES, and I'm so happy we did.

I think it helped keep me from developing a one-or-the-other opinion of Sega and Nintendo systems.

I loved playing double dragon on it with friends that owned the NES version, because it was just different enough to feel like new game to them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:54:57 2013 No.387352 Nintendo had devs by the balls. If you wanted to make a game on the NES, it had to be exclusive to the NES for 2 years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 22:59:57 2013 No.387406 >>362686 The market was totally different back then

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 02:23:57 2013 No.389276 File: 15 KB, 256x197, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>362702 I beg to differ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 02:30:57 2013 No.389331 So how did the Game Gear fail? It was technically superior to the Game Boy right? i have one and the battery life is really bad

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:37:45 2013 No.390750
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>>389331
In the same way the PSP is superior to the DS. It has better hardware, but the game boy had a much larger and varied library, and much longer battery life. 6 AAs for 2 hrs. vs. 4 AAs for 10 hrs.

I had a Game Boy and a Game Gear and I loved it but holy shit did I never use it without the AC or rechargable battery pack. I wouldn't say it 'failed' per se, but it never caught anywhere near the market share the game boy did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:53:28 2013 No.390805 i didn't even knew it existed until the internet. to this day, i've never seen one irl

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 07:00:57 2013 No.390840
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I got the master-system 2 when I was a kid, still have it

It has a copy of alex the kid built into it, which i thought was some witch craft when turning on the console with no game in it for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:35:28 2013 No.391167 >>387161 Not quite true; they did have some obvious technical advantages over 8-bit machines like more CPU power and memory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:44:28 2013 No.391198 >>390840 It is witch craft. I remember dating a fat girl who had the worst attitude in school just so I could borrow her master system.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:49:59 2013 No.391227

The sound was inferior to the nes sound, and its main strength was also its main weakness.

SMS used 16 color tiles that uses twice the space the 4 color tiles of the NES, so the games had to have less variety on SMS, leading to quite bland but detailed looking games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:52:29 2013 No.391236 >>391227 >The sound was inferior to the nes sound it used an enhanced variant of the original TMS 9919, but still only supported square waves+white noise. of course some (Japan only) games could use FM synthesis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:53:59 2013 No.391241 >>391236 The japanese famicom can use the VRC6 mapper that does the virtually the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 08:55:59 2013 No.391248 NES had a shit version of KQ5, but then the Master System had an even shittier version of KQ1 so it all balances out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 13:18:29 2013 No.392484 File: 2.75 MB, 250x170, say, marimo.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why didn't all Master Systems got the FM Synthesizer?

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:11:07 2013 No.396201

>>391227
>SMS used 16 color tiles that uses twice the space the 4 color tiles of the NES, so the games had to have less variety on SMS, leading to quite bland but detailed looking games.

This isn't true at all. Unlike NES graphics (which have to be read directly by the graphics chip), SMS graphics can be compressed on the cartridge, so they actually take up significantly less than twice as much space. While it's true that this still leaves you with less ROM space overall, you can just make the cartridge ROM bigger to fit more on it. At worst this weakness is comparable to the fact that you had to have a mapper chip on NES cartridges if you wanted to make anything more than primitive 1983-era games, inflating the cartridge cost slightly. If Sega made a lot of low-memory games with little variety, that was their own fault.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:12:01 2013 No.396223 >>391241 You mean the VRC7, which was only used in one game (Lagrange Point). The VRC6 only added two square waves and one saw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:13:30 2013 No.396231 >>396223 VRC7 isn't very appealing, really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:16:00 2013 No.396270 >>396231 You don't like Lagrange Point's music? I think it's pretty good. Although I think I have to go with that 8-channel Namco chip as my favorite of the Famicom sound upgrades.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:18:00 2013 No.396293 >>396270 Lagrange Point was alright, musically, it just sounded weird. And I can't use all eight channels of the N163, or else I get that awful multiplexer hiss. I have to stay in the safe zone of 6 or 5 or less.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:20:30 2013 No.396307 >>396293 Fair enough, the "8-channel" descriptor was really just a way of being more specific about the chip I had in mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:22:30 2013 No.396326 >>396307 I prefer to call them by their actual names. 2A03, MMC5, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:23:00 2013 No.396346 >>396326 Yeah, I don't have them all memorized like you do. And I feel weird about saying "2A03" because it was the CPU and the audio was just a small part of the chip.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:26:30 2013 No.396371

>>396201
>At worst this weakness is comparable to the fact that you had to have a mapper chip on NES cartridges if you wanted to make anything more than primitive 1983-era games, inflating the cartridge cost slightly

SMB is the most advanced NROM game. But many NES carts actually have no mapper, just a TTL chip to swap the ROMs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:30:01 2013 No.396428 Why do they sell more mini vans than Feraris ? It's not always about the technologically superior specimen, sometimes it's about marketing and availability.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 20:55:00 2013 No.396739

>>390750
The PSP actually has a pretty decent battery life compared to its Nintendo counterpart.

I had a Game Gear and the battery life really was closer to 3 hours with my system. It didn't matter since the screen was virtually unusable outside. I usually played whatever few games with the thing plugged into a wall outlet as well.

The lack of battery life (back when they were pretty pricey and parents would bitch about buying them) combined with a lack of good games for the system sank the GG. It had quite a few ports, but no real killer apps.

At least it wasn't Atari Lynx heug.

Anonymous Mon Apr 8 21:23:00 2013 No.397064

Dragon Crystal in the dark, my dear
Columns linking in the dark, my dear
Streets raging in the dark, my dear
Game Gear for your birthday oh yeah
Game Gear for your birthday oh yeah
The color screen scene side scrollin electric dreams
Feels like yesterday you were in my jeans
What would I give to gave you in my grownup jeans?
Something in the region of 50 beans
We've got to fight the mean machines
Game Gear for your birthday, oh yeah
Game Gear for your birthday, oh yeah

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:03:02 2013 No.401163 >>362491 Same reason VHS won out over Betamax. and MS-DOS won out over Apple II and Macintosh. It's not about whether you have the best-quality product on the market It's never about the quality of the product.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:05:32 2013 No.401172 >>401163 >and MS-DOS won out over Apple II PCs were more advanced machines than the Apple II. Also DOS is an operating system, not a computer. >and Macintosh Macs are expensive proprietary hardware while PCs aren't

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:29:02 2013 No.401329 File: 30 KB, 291x408, 570235_106117_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bane of my childhood Fuck you dad, just because you love the films it doesn't mean the game is good

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 09:30:02 2013 No.401338 >>401329 None of that game's ports were good

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 16:16:02 2013 No.403979 >>401163 >MS-DOS won out over Apple II and Macintosh. Oh god, the ignorance. Microsofts DOS didn't win, that was way later, after a series of rather hilarious events pilling up until they where close enough to a monopoly to take advantage of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 9 16:53:33 2013 No.404275 >>403979 yeah...it's complicated

Anonymous Wed Apr 10 01:07:04 2013 No.408845

>>389276
Alex Kidd could have been amazing if you had at least two points of health, a punch that would at least cover the whole front half of body (including head and feet), and actual boss battles. I still can't get past the cave level because I keep losing at rock-paper-scissors. There's no challenge there, just bullshit luck, and even if the boss's move is truly random, I feel like the computer is cheating.

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