/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3518429]

Is there any point in owning a Saturn if you don't like fighting games or shmups?

[Anonymous No.3518432]

It's funny how browsing the library of the Saturn and seeing how it's not even close to all fighting games and shmups is for some reason impossible for people in 2016.

[Anonymous No.3518437]

>>3518432
I'm not asking whether non-fighters and non-shmups exist, but whether it's worth owning the console for any of them. Most of the ones that stood out to me when I looked through them seem to have gotten ports to other consoles.

[Anonymous No.3518747]

SRPGs
Enhanced eroge ports without ero

[Anonymous No.3518757]

>>3518429
Puzzle games and sidescrolling action, also the superior versions of Megaman 8 and SotN.

[Anonymous No.3518764]

>>3518747
Some have ero.

[Anonymous No.3518791]

>>3518429
Yes

[NESfag No.3518810]

Powerslave / Exhumed alone makes it worth it.
Don't tell me it's also on PS1, because while it is a version worth playing for the differences alone, it's also inferior.

[Anonymous No.3518818]

The Sega Saturn has a larger ratio of non-fighting games than similiar consoles of that era like the Neo Geo.

[Anonymous No.3518825]

>>3518429
Nope

[Anonymous No.3518858]

>>3518764
He obviously means uncensored ero with visible nipples and all that

[That Ecchi Guy !!SXqkEzxV5p0 No.3518860]

>>3518429
It's not bad.

After Burner II
Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean
AMOK
Assault Suits Leynos 2
Astal
Bubble Symphony
Bulk Slash
Burning Rangers
Capcom Generations 2: Chronicles of Arthur
Dark Savior
Dragon Force
Dragon Force II
Dungeons & Dragons Collection
Dynamite Deka
Elevator Action Returns
Fire Pro Wrestling S: 6 Men Scramble
Grandia
Guardian Heroes
Langrisser IV
Langrisser V: The End of a Legend
Loaded
Lunar: Silver Star Story
Lunar 2: Eternal Blue
Magical Drop III
Mega Man 8: Anniversary Collector's Edition
Mega Man X4
Metal Slug: Super Vehicle-001
Night Striker
Nights into Dreams...
OutRun
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
PowerSlave (Exhumed)
Princess Crown
Puyo Puyo 2
Puyo Puyo Sun
Rayman
Road Rash
Saturn Bomberman
Scorcher
Sega Rally Championship
Shining Force III Scenario 1
Shining Force III Scenario 2 (FanTran)
Shining Force III Scenario 3 (FanTran)
Shining the Holy Ark
Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru
Soviet Strike
Space Harrier
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
Super Tempo
The Legend of Oasis
The Need for Speed
Three Dirty Dwarves
Virtua Cop 2
Wolf Fang: Kuhga 2001
Wonder 3 Arcade Gears

[Anonymous No.3518862]

>>3518429
It has one of the sexiest colour-schemes I've ever seen for a controller
I'm tempted to buy one, even though I don't own a Saturn.

[Anonymous No.3518914]

>>3518747
>Enhanced eroge ports without ero
Lost nipples but gained voiced orgasmic moans and slurping, and the text describing what's going on was left intact. Not too bad for those who like voices.

[Anonymous No.3518919]

>>3518914
Except for Nonomura Hospital. Keep a few nipples but cut out all the sex.

[Anonymous No.3518940]

>>3518919
Yeah that one was weird. Especially since Can Can Bunny Premier came out the same day.

[Anonymous No.3518951]

>>3518757
The saturn sotn is worse, longer loading times and worse graphics. Not worth the trade-off for the shitty extra areas.

[Anonymous No.3518983]

Bug and Bug Too?

[Anonymous No.3519005]

[Anonymous No.3519015]

>>3518951
The graphics are better as the Saturn colour palette makes the game look much nicer. I don't remember loading times being any different, the problem is the framerate drop on bosses.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3519023]

>>3519015
>The graphics are better as the Saturn colour palette makes the game look much nicer.
I haven't personally played SatSotN and as such haven't seen the added areas, but the shitty scaling applied to literally everything to make up for the resolution difference between the PS1 and Saturn is a marked decrease in quality overall.

[Anonymous No.3519024]

>>3519015
Dude, you are delusional, I have played and finished the saturn version and confirm it looks and runs much worse than the ps1 version, the extra areas are small and not nearly worth the technical trade off.

[Anonymous No.3519046]

>>3519024
No seriously, it looks better, the Saturn saves it from having that washed-out look all playstation games have.

Also, i don't know why you assume the loading times are noticeably different for, they both run off a cd.

The only problem is fps drop on bosses, which i've already said.

>>3519023
The psx version has bigger black bars

[NESfag No.3519069]

>>3519015
> I don't remember loading times being any different

Basically, the PS1 version doesn't have loading times, the Saturn version does. They are however no big deal if you ask me.

>>3519023
>>3519024
It's not just "new areas". There is also new graphics, new musics, new enemies, new items and weapons (including some with their own special attack).
There is also a new move, in the reverse castle you can perform a double-tap running, this alone makes the game twice as fun for me.
Also one of the two areas connect the castle in a way that it avoids a long detour to go from the east side of the castle to the west side.
I love the Saturn version and I think its pros largely make up for its cons. Only setback for me is that it's Jap only, but there are very good guides on the internet for item descriptions and such.

[NESfag No.3519074]

While we're talking ports, the Saturn version of Quake is a remake using the Powerslave/Exhumed engine. It has 4 exclusive secret levels which are tons of fun.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3519079]

>>3519046
I will take a different active display aspect ratio over shoddy scaling any day.

>>3519069
I'll keep that in mind, and may have to burn a copy of it to try it out for myself.

As for loading times. It isn't that the PS1 doesn't have loading times; It does. The difference is the little corridors between areas where that loading happens is tweaked to match the time required by the PS1, and wasn't adjusted for the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.3519123]

>>3518432
All in all its Weeb: The Console

[Anonymous No.3519126]

>>3519123
>>3519093
anyone bought from retrogamesjapan.com ? they have a decent amount of stuff but the site looks kinda sketchy

[Anonymous No.3519129]

>>3519079
>The difference is the little corridors between areas where that loading happens is tweaked to match the time required by the PS1, and wasn't adjusted for the Saturn.

Correction. The Saturn does not load at all on those. It starts loading after you come out on the other side of the tunnel.

[NESfag No.3519142]

>>3519079
Yeah obviously stuff has to be loaded along the way . I'm saying on PS1 effort has been put to make them seemless.

[Anonymous No.3519512]

>>3518429
YES

[Anonymous No.3519534]

How the fuck do people import Japanese games on this council and expect to know how to play the complex ones let alone understand what's going on?
Just look at >>3519005
Look at all those amazing looking games that probably have a shit ton of anime cut scenes and stuff.


Do you video game guys seriously spend your years learning Japanese just to play video games like this eventually?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachenröder

https://youtu.be/O-xNVp_CM3Q

I've been "learning" japanese for my company. I speak minimal Japanese and by minimal almost nothing. My company is going to fund a year in Japan learning Japanese. I orginally wanted to learn Japanese to participate in the culture. To read novels that aren't released outside of Japan. To watch Japanese movies that will never receive subs.

But to go this far to learn Japanese for video games? Do you do that?

I would love to play untranslated Japanese video games, but who seriously has the fucking time to play video games in the first place once you hit 21 or older?

I use to collect old retro video game consults because I really wanted to play these untapped video games or at least the few rare weeb ones that came over on Sega CD or Saturn, but come senior year of high school I just said fuck it. So much time and money in big bulky games I knew I could torrent.

I am buy fag for weeb shit and memrobelia, but I felt like I was crossing the line to something I wouldn't be able to sustain enough time on ad I was right.

[Anonymous No.3519543]

I love my Saturn but I just can't stomach seeing Albert Odyssey listed in all the must-have recs. It's generic, short and absolutely nothing about the game stands out. Bland characters, bland jrpg story, bland combat.

[Anonymous No.3519550]

>>3519534
I play video games to learn Japanese.
The text is a lot simpler than in novels and you get more context.
Voice acting can help with clearing up ambiguities while you can still keep your own pace at reading.

[Anonymous No.3519559]

>>3519550
Well that's comforting to say the least.
Once I'm more fluent I'll try givin this system a shot again along with sega cd.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3519564]

>>3519543
I can't really stand seeing any western inspired game or western made game on that list desu baka senpai

[Anonymous No.3519570]

>>3519005
>burning rangers
Isn't that one of the rarest sega saturn games ranging from $5000 USD to $12K?

If not that than thwre is an extremely rare fire fighting game for the saturn that was released after the announcement was made that sega saturn was going to be stopping production and the dreamcast was released.

[Anonymous No.3519573]

>>3519559
You don't really need to be fluent. One point is to build up reading speed so you can follow subtitled video in real time.

[Anonymous No.3519579]

>>3518429
Saturn Bomberman, best entry in the series, you stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.3519582]

>>3519570
Nope

[Anonymous No.3519598]

>>3519079
>>3519069
>>3519046
>>3519024
>>3519023
>>3519015
>>3518951
This is how easy it would have been to end this argument

[Anonymous No.3519613]

>>3519598
Nice trick. That's the same version, just screenshots of a different spot.

[Anonymous No.3519615]

>>3519123
Why are you whining about weebs on /vr/ of all places? Almost every game discussed on this board is Japanese.

[Anonymous No.3519643]

>>3519613
1/10 troll attempt. It's clearly not the same version

[Anonymous No.3519878]

>>3518429
JRPGs, japanese simulation games and puzzles

some classic collections of old arcade games too

[Anonymous No.3520102]

>>3519598
Actually, this is a good video to debunk this stupid claim of loading differences.
>>3519069

>>3519079
Also, i fail to see where your claim of scaling is. The Saturn just has less of the frame cut off.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yFNRlEVrTx4

[Anonymous No.3520116]

>>3519005
No Cyber Doll?

[Anonymous No.3520123]

>>3519534
>but who seriously has the fucking time to play video games in the first place once you hit 21 or older?
Why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.3520125]

>>3518429
No not really, but the shmups are amazing.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3520257]

>>3520102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PxGM1np2hU

[Anonymous No.3520295]

>>3520257
Fair enough, i forgot about the loading tunnels since i played it last year. They're only a few seconds though which is why i don't even remember.

[Anonymous No.3520314]

>>3518429

I just fell for the meme and dropped like $150 on the whole setup (console, SCART, pseudosaturn, controllers)

I kinda feel like I got memed. Most ISOs are in weird proprietary formats and/or corrupt and won't burn, going legit's no good retail games are fucking retarded priced and region-locked anyways. They never released a real 3d Sonic and most of the games worth playing are in inscrutable moon runes. I don't care about fighting games, clunky JRPGs, or racing games with poor controls so that's a huge chunk out of the library. Also the saturn lightgun is not particularly accurate and virtua cop 2 has an annoying ~1 second delay before you find out if you actually hit an enemy.

The mk2 controller that gets memed all the time feels okay but isn't really anything special. The top row of buttons feels very different from the bottom row and moving between the two isn't quite seamless. Idc about the six-buttons since I don't play fighting games.

I have a Phoebe on the way for it, maybe I'll like it better once I don't have to burn and keep track of games. I don't regret my purchase too much, because I wanted the original hardware experience for "completeness" reasons of my collection and so I could choose for myself.

If I had a limited budget I think a Sega CD + Sonic CD and some cheesy Night Trap action would have been a better value.

[Anonymous No.3520320]

>>3520314
>meme meme meme
Thank god, we don't need idiot children like yourself inflating the prices of the games yet further.

[Anonymous No.3520325]

>>3519543
I basically agree. It's just ordinary.
There's nothing exceptionally bad about it but it's not something to worry about missing.
Has somewhat pretty graphics/art at least.

[Anonymous No.3520332]

>>3519543
>>3520325
The story is shitty and i don't remember a single thing about it apart from arbitrary pop references violating the localisation script.

Still the game had a really relaxing, laid-back atmosphere to it. Also the soundtrack was pretty good too.

[Anonymous No.3520349]

>>3520314
>I don't care about fighting games, clunky JRPGs, or racing games with poor controls so that's a huge chunk out of the library.

Pray tell what exactly is it that you are interested in? FPS games and Minesweeper?

>If I had a limited budget I think a Sega CD + Sonic CD and some cheesy Night Trap action would have been a better value.

1/10 trolling there.

[Anonymous No.3520353]

>>3519543
>I love my Saturn but I just can't stomach seeing Albert Odyssey listed in all the must-have recs. It's generic, short and absolutely nothing about the game stands out. Bland characters, bland jrpg story, bland combat.

I bet if it was released on the SNES as they originally had it planned, you'd consider it a timeless classic.

[Anonymous No.3520362]

it's worth having around for a lot of really cool games. if you use pseudo saturn and blank cds it's a really enjoyable console. plus bomberman and bulk slash justify its entire existence.

[Anonymous No.3520368]

>>3520349

I like shmups (verts mostly), accurate light gun games, "extreme sports" games, platformers, racing games with good controls, some fast moving JRPGs and WRPGs, FPS, action-adventure games.

So far my impression of the Saturn is mostly a more expensive, shittier Playstation. I feel it's my duty to warn others like >>3518429
that if you don't care about fighting games at all the library feels quite thin.

[Anonymous No.3520379]

>>3518429

Buy a Dreamcast and a PSX and there is no reason to own a Saturn unless you are really into Shining Force.

It always makes me laugh how people put "Burning Rangers" in "must own" games or ridiculously old arcade ports for that time like "Space Harrier." It's like if the N64's killer app was Galaga.

Hipsters don't like the PSX because it's too mainstream, and they don't like the Dreamcast because it isn't retro enough for them.

Dreamcast is by far the best Sega console, and is up in the running for best console of all time.

Saturn is the failure that launched at $100 more than the PSX and couldn't even deliver decent 3D. People like to claim 3D was somehow 'new to the scene', but there was plenty of good 3D arcade games at that time. Sega released another crappy system because of high R&D and delays instead of starting fresh.

I wish Sega still made consoles. It would be way better than the crap today. They would take chances and innovate instead of releasing a million "FPS, open world, dynamic, multiple ending, paint dry simulators."

Everyone needs to come to terms that the Saturn and 32X were the turds that killed the company.

[Anonymous No.3520458]

>>3520349
Dungeon crawlers?
Puzzle games?
Adventure games?
Simulations?
Fucking platformers?

Have you become so weeaboo that you think gaming boils down to either "muh fighting games and Jrpgs" or "dudebro normie FPS games and minesweeper"?

[Anonymous No.3520915]

>>3519005
Another day, another tiny incremental update

[Anonymous No.3520936]

>>3520915
>Saturn The House of the Dead port

This is rather problematic for me. Could you please quickly delete this and repost with that game removed? Also, from here on out, desist from posting such an image with that game included.

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.3520943]

>>3520915
It would be helpful to put the "oddballs" in a category separate from the "language barrier" games. Many people here, myself included, know Japanese well enough for the language not to be an issue.

[Anonymous No.3520945]

>>3520936
Want to expand?

[Anonymous No.3520949]

>>3520943
You'll be able to filter all of that stuff individually in the site "when" I'm done with it.

[Anonymous No.3520953]

>>3520353
No, if it was released on the snes or ps1 it'd be considered a forgotten 5/10 jrpg.

[Anonymous No.3520979]

>>3520368
>I like shmups (verts mostly),
Saturn is one of the best console for those.

>platformers,
There are only a dozen or so on the Saturn, but most are great.

>racing games with good controls,
Plenty of those on the Saturn too.

>some fast moving JRPGs and WRPGs,
Also a bunch of them on the Saturn.

>FPS,
Best 32bit versions of Powerslave, Duke3d, and Quake.

>action-adventure games.
Saturn doesn't have Zelda if that's what you are looking for.

>Saturn is the failure that launched at $100 more than the PSX and couldn't even deliver decent 3D.

Look at Sonic R, Scorcher, Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Saga, Virtua Fighter 2, Dead or Alive, and tell me that it can't do decent 3d.

[Anonymous No.3520982]

>>3520945
House of the Dead on the Saturn was a rushed, awful port with lots of loading and the worst textures out of any 32bit game ever.

[Anonymous No.3520984]

>>3520979
>Saturn doesn't have Zelda if that's what you are looking for.

It has similar games, like Legend of Oasis/Thor II and Rayearth.

[Anonymous No.3520994]

>>3520984
You don't understand, those are clunky jrpgs, not what that guy wants to play.

[Anonymous No.3521357]

>>3520982
So a console port of an arcade game is not as good as the original? What's the news here?

Should I also remove every single non-stv port of arcade games from the list?

[Anonymous No.3521370]

>>3520994
>Legend Of Oasis
>Clunky JRPG

It's action/adventure with JRPG elements.

[Anonymous No.3521384]

Currently own:
Nights
Resident Evil
Virtual Fighter
Sega Rally Championship
Panzer Dragoon 1 & 2

Actively hunting:
Mega Man
Dragon Force
Three Dirty Dwarves
Sonic Jam
Guardian Heroes
Scud

How's my taste /vr/?

[Anonymous No.3521394]

>>3521384
Forgot to add Earthworm Jim

[Anonymous No.3521432]

>>3519123

[Anonymous No.3522080]

if I pseudo saturn an AR4-in-1 cart, does it still operate as a 4MB RAM cart still? So I can play games that require it

[Anonymous No.3522156]

>>3522080
yeah

[Anonymous No.3522265]

>>3521357
>So a console port of an arcade game is not as good as the original? What's the news here?

It did not have a complete development cycle. Sega outsourced it to an external developer, who were actually doing okay, but Sega was about to launch the Dreamcast and wanted to push out all their remaining Saturn ports out fast, so they do not get in the way. This meant that both HOTD and Sega Touring Car were released before development could be finished - they cut corners wherever they could to get it out in time.

[Anonymous No.3522334]

>>3520979
>Saturn doesn't have Zelda if that's what you are looking for.

But it has Legend of Oasis, Magic Knight Rayearth, Linkle Liver Story and Shining Wisdom,which are comparable games.

Maybe Dark Savior too, never played this one, but afaik it's a spiritual sequel to Landstalker. I guess it belongs to the same genre.

[Anonymous No.3522372]

>>3518429
not with the new saturn emulator on mednafen, i haven't run across any problems yet, no reason to own the real thing anymore unless you just absolutely love the physical system (which is easy to pirate for)

[Anonymous No.3522384]

>>3519005
>>3520915
>no Jungle Rhythm in obscure
add this. It's like Parappa the Rapper, but with the extreme weirdness of LSD Dream Emulator. It kind of sucks but it will have you in stitches

[Anonymous No.3522412]

[Anonymous No.3522414]

do Japanese Saturn controllers work on a US Saturn?

I want one of them sexy white controllers so much

[Anonymous No.3522426]

>>3522414
Yes they do. I'm using a Japanese gray controller on my US Saturn.

[Anonymous No.3522428]

>>3522414
Yes, it wouldn't make much sense for the controllers to be wired differently by region.

[Anonymous No.3522435]

>>3522428
wasn't the NES controllers different from the famicom not just in form factor but pinout as well?

[Anonymous No.3522438]

>>3522435
Well, the original ones weren't detachable at all. The AV Famicom controllers were the same as US ones, though the accessories (light gun, etc.) were different.

[Anonymous No.3522440]

>>3522435
There's no pinout since famicom controllers are wired to the console.

[Anonymous No.3522441]

>>3522438
I see! obvious as it might be, I didn't know this bit about the AV Famicom's controllers. thanks

[Anonymous No.3522447]

>>3518862
It's actually a really good controller for retro games, totally worth it and comfy af even if you have no saturn

[Anonymous No.3522457]

>>3520314
>If I had a limited budget I think a Sega CD + Sonic CD and some cheesy Night Trap action would have been a better value.
lol gud 1

[Anonymous No.3522560]

>>3522265
So that's why Touring Car handles like ass

[Anonymous No.3522573]

>>3522560
Have you not tried the arcade version? You can emulate it in model 2 emulator.

[Anonymous No.3522581]

>>3522573
Nope, but yeah I know, I've emulated model 2 before

[Anonymous No.3522669]

>>3522412
what game is this?

[Anonymous No.3522778]

Why isn't there enough love for Solar Eclipse?

[Anonymous No.3522791]

>>3522669
I'm going to guess either one of the Evangelion or Gundam ones.