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Previous thread >>3492209
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
An Anon's Guide to CRT Hunting: http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
S-Video Pasta: http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Information: http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
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Threadly reminder: Do not fall for the scart meme.

>> No.3510026

Glad this general has it's own personal bump faggot

>> No.3510031
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Can we get back to actual video game OPs now?

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Now that DH serie is over, I guess

>> No.3510256

$30 sony pvm 20 on craigslist in nyc right now. listed as

>19" sony monitor

I'd buy it but too far away

>> No.3510314

Is it this one?

If so somebody here already has first dibs on it

>> No.3510482

>Absolutely no 1390's for sale
>2030 impossible to find under 300
ready to die

>> No.3510523

is 1600x1200 the absolute best for playing PC games in the maximum quality possible?
do old PC games support any resolution above that?
is there any CRT that can go higher than 1600x1200 keeping a refresh rate of at least 70 Hz ? What are the best CRT monitors of the 2000's ?

>> No.3510540

u wot mate, far from absolute best

>> No.3510568

whats the highest resolution that early 2000's PC games can achieve then? i heard it was 1600x1200 in most cases

>> No.3510769

Why are you focusing on high resolution? High resolutions matter less when using a CRT.

>> No.3510786

for modern games i like using high resolutions like 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, high resolution is specially useful in flight sims where you might need to spot aircraft at very long distance

>> No.3510814 [DELETED] 

Hey guys how do I get a job here? I want to help out the Clinton campaign and heard you guys would pay me to post negative things about Trump

>> No.3510898

Is $200 for a PVM-20M2MDU going overboard, considering its 3 hours away from where I live?

>> No.3511029

No, I have a monitor that does 1920x1200 but after a certain point it doesn't matter. Don't get hung up on resolutions. However, the higher resolution it supports, the better refresh rate you can get at lower resolutioms. If you're looking for a monitor, look for a high resolution but only use it at 1280x1024 at 100+ hz

>> No.3511069

It's not terribly over priced, at that point it depends how much you want it / how often stuff pops up near you. I drove 3 hours for a 480p capable set and it was worth it to me because of how much use I get out of it.

>> No.3511071

200 for anything but the echelon is too much

>> No.3511101

>buy crt
>has 3-digit key lockout

>> No.3511114
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Do arcade monitors have pronounced scanlines? All the arcade machines I see nowadays look like they're running composite on a consumer crt.

>> No.3511119

I always remembered them having pretty thick scanlines, yeah.

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anyone have a source on a mitsubushi ck35308 service manual?

>> No.3511148

Anyone put a PVM in an arcade machine? Any advantages over an arcade monitor?

>> No.3511149

open the case and remove battery? does it have a battery?
those screens have over 9000 hours is why, mosgt are worn out or worse yet, replaced with an lcd in my area

>> No.3511152
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buy a makvision

unless this is the pvm youre installing

>> No.3511162

>Anyone put a PVM in an arcade machine?
I heard of someone who tried and wrecked the PVM.

>Any advantages over an arcade monitor?
Usually PVMs have higher quality tubes and better circuitry. Downsides are the smaller size and the need for circuitry to use the DC coupled signal and separate sync.

>> No.3511186

I guessed it
it was 512

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lucky. or did you brute force 001-002 etc?

>> No.3511639

tfw you live in the middle of nowhere, all the local hospitals and dentists threw their shit in the dumpster years ago, and you have to pay $100 shipping for a lottery quality rgb monitor

tfw the retro bandwagon is getting bigger and bigger and prices are going up and up and absolutely no crts are being made anywhere on the earth

>> No.3511671

If CRTs weren't huge and weighed a million pounds, they would be great investments.

>> No.3511681

Why do I need this so badly?

>> No.3511683

>typing "CRT" into craigslist
>quickly press enter
>it only got "CR" and now i'm looking at a bunch of hondas

>> No.3511964


1. Learn a marketable skill
2. $$$
3. Buy an overpriced monitor (or twelve)

It's very simple.

>> No.3512007

Anon from previous thread. The listing has been taken down and I never heard from the guy, so I think that thing was gone as soon as it was listed. Oh well, I'll keep looking.

>> No.3512062

none of my systems have been modded, and my pvm is a 14L2 which only has bnc for composite and Y/Pb/Pr, along with s video. My flatscreen has 2 hdmi and 1 component. I do not wish to mod at this moment, its something I will do later. so therefore I will stick to the best video signal avalible for unmodified systems that I can display.

>Get a high end mid-late 2000s AV receiver and you can eliminate the need for all of your switches (might need the hdmi one since most receivers maxed out at about 4-6 ports). Plus you get an audio setup
I would need at least 8 composite inputs, a separate svideo input, and at least one each of composite and svideo outputs to eliminate the composite/svideo switchboxes. I would need an additional 4-5 component inputs to get rid of its switchbox, and two outputs for those systems.
oh, and two coaxial inputs. If I modded that would make my requirements even more difficult to meet.

thats 14 inputs, and 4 outputs, at the minimum for my current setup. Ive looked into receivers before and I've yet to find one with the amount of connections I'd need at a good price. this is also assuming I dont add any more systems, which I know Im going to do. Ive yet to get a 3DO, TG16/PCE, or Neo Geo CD, along with the eventual Laserdisc and betamax players, all of which would mean more inputs required.

>> No.3512064

breh those BNC inputs take RGB too

look up how many of your systems natively output RPG (likely more than 2). SNES for example

Thank me later ;)

ps: almost none of your systems have RF as their only output

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Extron has you covered m8


>> No.3512083

I thought RGB and Y/Pb/Pr were separate signals?

NES and N64 require modding. genesis requires modding for rgb as well, but I want to mod it to s-video instead. SNES and Saturn require scart. I didnt know at the time that psp had component cables, I ordered some shortly after I noticed them for sale. Dreamcast is an issue of figuring out how I want to set it up, for the moment I will leave it as composite.

>almost none of your systems have RF as their only output.
5200, 7800, and my 2600 if I used it. though those will probably be the first systems I mod when I get around to that. also my tandy's and atari computers output over RF.

>> No.3512086

>genesis requires modding for rgb as well,
No, it doesn't.
>SNES and Saturn require scart.
No, they don't.

>> No.3512091

>I thought RGB and Y/Pb/Pr were separate signals?
They are, most lot of cables are compatible with both.

>> No.3512110

can you direct me to these non-scart cables? I've never seen any commecially avalible plain rca-type cables for those systems, unless something new has happened in the last year or two.

>> No.3512119

dude, once you enter the realm of pro display you have to be ready to jerry rig by making/modding your cables for the pro connectors

>> No.3512316

We were discussing Nintendo MultiAV to BNC cables in the last thread. R_C_A already makes them, but she charges $60 per.


I wanted to make a few myself but finding a wholesale source of the MultiAV connector is seemingly impossible. HDRetrovision sells 3-packs of the connectors for $10, but that's ridiculous.


They probably cost less than a dollar each wholesale. Can't find any suppliers though.

>> No.3512530

Fuck off
how did you amass all these consoles you know nothing about?
VGA or S-video fuck boy

>> No.3512585

>I thought RGB and Y/Pb/Pr were separate signals?
most PVMs are sluts they can take both signals in the same hole

>> No.3512596

>I wanted to make a few myself but finding a wholesale source of the MultiAV connector is seemingly impossible. HDRetrovision sells 3-packs of the connectors for $10, but that's ridiculous.

Is 3D printing your own out of the question?

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>8 composite inputs

Why the fuck would you go through all this trouble for a comprehensive and all inclusive setup when you're still using EIGHT composite consoles? There are very few consoles that people actually use where you're forced to use it. You should focus on getting a better monitor or better signals from your consoles before doing this dumb shit

PS if you want to sacrifice HDMI you can find receivers with a lot more analogue inputs

You can even run RGsB through the component inputs/outputs or run RGBS through S-VIDEO cables

>> No.3512618

Can do RGBs through component + composite port on the same inputs too depending on model

>> No.3512646

anon, he wont pay 10 bucks for 3

He doesnt have a 3d printer

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>> No.3512793

You're not wrong. I spent my money on a mini CNC machine instead. It only mills lower receivers.

>> No.3512956


Please don't tell me any of you guys have bid this PVM up. $480 so far with one day left on a PVM that doesn't even have an RGB input, and the tv lines on those old ones are as low as a later flat screen consumer trinitron (which will have component at least). The PVM meme has gone too far.

>> No.3512961

Makes me pretty happy with my CRT hoarding. How much do these bozos pay for 37" monitors?

>> No.3512968

20" PVM prices are so fucking high now

at least 13" has stabilized somewhat

>> No.3512971

Yeah buy you could still get 2 Olympus OEV203s for that much, and they'll have RGB.

>> No.3513006

>a PVM that doesn't even have an RGB input

Stereo input is p cool tho

>> No.3513051

I said cables, not consoles. Nothing wrong in salvaging the plug of a $5 cable to fit your need.

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New to these threads
Found this thing at a Goodwill and got it for $8. How did I do?

>> No.3513095

only composite on the front input, marks it as a mid tier set. has stereo which is nice. The geometry looks okay. Sanyo?

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Emmerson actually
It has composite in the front and back and a coaxial in the back too.

>> No.3513214

>on a PVM that doesn't even have an RGB input,
The asking price is beyond insane, but it does have RGB; Just not over BNC or SCART.

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Starting price was 79 bucks

You can see all the experienced bidders dropped out early on. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's all shilling at this point

>> No.3513253

I just got my SD2SNES in today. Was Super Metroid always really, really blue at the start? It seems brighter than I remember.

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The intro is of Ceres, and Ceres is very very blue, as are a decent number of the rooms connected to Old Tourian. Upper and Lower Brinstar will both change that rather quickly.

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if it isn't svideo I'd keep looking for one with it but no matter what the perfectionists say, playng composite on a smaller tv is not bad.

>> No.3513445

20" pvm is worth it due to it not being made anymore. As supply starts to dry in the coming years I'd expect the price to be 500-700 by the end of next year. Better investment than stocks. More and more people into retro gaming, just look at the AVS and Nintendo mini, plus OSSC just came out and SD2SNES is backordered a couple of months.

>> No.3513494

damn, that auction is $510 with 20hrs remaining

>> No.3513520

And it's just going to get trashed in the shipping

>> No.3513593

nobody? shii, maybe avs forum?

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1280x1024 has produced me the best results. might be monitor dependant but at this resolution my monitor doesn't flicker.

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>Better investment than stocks.

>> No.3513708

FW900 can do up to [email protected]

>> No.3513848


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Help, my storage unit is almost full and this isn't even all of the monitors I have. There are two more 14M2s and three 8042s at home. Anyone want some monitors at fair market value? I'm thinking of setting up a shop but not on eBay. Every monitor will be tested and photographed.

>> No.3513876

X6 dialogues were the best.

>> No.3513936

I already tried that fagtron. the only service manuals i can find is for the newer 3526R and only the owners manual for mine which i already have.

>> No.3513937


nigga I literally live in Orange Park and I am seriously debating driving to Tampa to pick up some PVMs off craigslist; I would gladly buy some shit off of you

>> No.3513939
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Do you live anywhere near Chicago?

>> No.3513956

>Anonymous of Jacksonville
you are a special kind of stupid

>> No.3513970

>implying we dont have 4chanx making everything anonymous
theres quite a few jacksonvilles I assume you mean florida?

>> No.3513989

Fine, let me duckduckgo that for you


>> No.3514085

I'm in Mandarin most of the time, so OP isn't that far to go. I just went to Tampa twice in the last two weeks to pick up monitors. I think the porn production companies there must be offloading their equipment or going under. RIP Tampabukkake.

>> No.3514164


top kek

well, I'm definitely interested in a 14M2, I'll keep tabs whenever your shop goes online

>> No.3514267
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Just grabbed a PVM 1341. Anything I should keep in mind in regards to maintaining/keeping it safe (I heard you shouldn't place metallic/electronic stuff on top of them)?

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Managed to grab a PVM 1341. Anything I should know in the way of maintaining/keeping it safe? I heard you shouldn't put electronic or metal things on it

Trying again with the photo because mobile rotates and fucks it all to hell

>> No.3514295

Are PVMs easy to find in Australia?

>> No.3514317

They used to be. Getting harder to find now though because game collectors are buying them up.

>> No.3514318

>Not getting the joke

>> No.3514338

>making a way out there joke
>about photo orientation
>expecting him to get it

It took me a bit to see what you were trying to do. And even I may still be wrong.

Australia = upsidedown?

>> No.3514345

Addendum: Because of southern hemisphere

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>> No.3514426

Ok now wheres my cookie?

>> No.3514665

At least one BVM-20G1A found its way to the UK and now sits in my battlestation with 4k hours on the (for southern hemisphere) tube working just fine.

>> No.3514701

>how did you amass all these consoles you know nothing about?
I know how to play video games on them and hook them up to a normal consumer grade TV. anything beyond composite or HDMI (or RF) is fairly abnormal for tv's in the US. Last year was the first time I saw an Svideo cable in person for example. I was more concerned with actually playing my video games than how sharp the squares on my tv were from the other side of the room.

>> No.3514781

that's obviously a scam site but thanks for trying to help anon
y/c has been around since the 80's on consumer sets and ypbpr has been around since the 90's

I don't think you even own any of those consoles and this is a child's wishlist.

>> No.3514798

>anything beyond composite or HDMI (or RF) is fairly abnormal for tv's in the US.
Since forever when you go to Best Buy or other electronics retailers the floor drones have been trying to sell you "premium" Y/C or component cables for your SVHS/DVD.

>> No.3514809

Mitsubishi ZM chassis service manual is here:


Just wait for the "processing" link to change to "get manual" and enjoy

>> No.3514841

but how many electronics did you buy that came with component output or bundled with component cables back then?

You'd probably have a vcr over composite, which might even have stereo audio if you/your parents wanted to splurge. And there'd be a cable/satalite box which would use either RF or composite as well. Then sometime around 2000 a dvd player would join them, and although it probably could use component, chances are it came bundled with the standard red/white/yellow cable that would confuse your parents into using composite still (assuming your tv even had component inputs, I know mine didnt).

if your parents were like mine or my friends parents, youd end up with your own tv, probably between 14-20" that your dad had in his bachelor days, or they got on sale, which had mono audio over composite if you were unlucky, or a set of stereo inputs on both the front a back if you had a really good set.

saying that Y/C has been around since the 80's is like saying CD's have been around since the 80's. Yes they existed for consumers, but they didnt really hold a significant portion of the middle-class market (especially not the more competetivley priced market) until the mid-late 90' at least. Unless you specifically wanted that and were willing to pay extra to get it, you probably didnt have it.

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muh nigga.

thanks for reals ;)

>> No.3514853

You're welcome

I noticed your CK-35308 appears to have user adjustable purity, presumably to compensate for northern or southern hemisphere. Very cool feature

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yes it has a north/south or east/west switch and two position strength switch as well as a manual degauss button. Up here near the pole it has to be on max strength or the screen is tilted depending on which way its facing. The user manual said it was because of the size of the tube its sensitive to the earths magnetic field. it also said it would require adjustment after being setup but I never dis because I couldn't find a manual and it looks okay as is.

>> No.3514902

Don't get it wet. Don't let it get too cold or too hot. Don't run it at max brightness. Don't power it off and on rapidly. Don't press degauss unless you need to. Don't let it run out of spec (no sync, bad sync, no vhold lock, etc.) for extended periods. Don't leave a static screen up for prolonged periods (pausing for hours, etc.). Don't run it in 16:9 mode unless you're fine with uneven wear on the tube. Ignore the overscan button for the same reason.

>> No.3515005

>Ignore the overscan button for the same reason.
Wouldn't that be more an issue with the underscan button? Overscan would still be using the entirety of the visible tube, where under would be bringing undrawn parts of the raster into view.

>> No.3515025


Hey AoJ it's OP Anon from earlier here, would you be willing to arrange a local pickup for one of your 14M2 monitors? I can post my email if you're interested

>> No.3515117

What switcher is that?

>> No.3515124

>What switcher is that?
Holy shit, topkek

>> No.3515147


>> No.3515323

Is that you Greenman?

>> No.3515380

What's your offer?

>> No.3515550


Tbh I'm not exactly sure what you would consider to be "fair market value", but would 120 bones be in the ballpark for you?

>> No.3515924

Sounds about right but I'll have to do a little work tonight before I decide which of my M2s to sell. I'll also take photos if you want.

>> No.3515932

Sounds good to me, email's in the field so just hit me up when you've got it all figured out,

>> No.3515936


Well that didn't work too well, just went ahead and posted it in the name field instead.

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So I'm about to go pick up a KV-27FV300 in a few hours and started reading the manual for it on my downtime at work. I saw pic related and wanna know if that's the only resolution it supports in component, or if it's the highest it supports. I'm perfectly fine if it's the latter since it means the signal is gonna be 0ms analog and proper scaling of 240p content.

>> No.3515982

240p isn't a "resolution" as such. It's a kludge of 480i

You'll be fine

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Thanks, much appreciated!
Now to find the room to set this up

>> No.3516059

Yeah, it's 480i(240p) only. It's one of the best you can get for that, too.

>> No.3516095


>> No.3516181

that ebay pvm-2030 finished at $630.

>> No.3516312

Was this a Craigslist post, posted sept 19th?

>> No.3516318

Asking cause i dont want to step on your toes. Although you probably already have it anyway i wouldnt be able to get to it for a couple days. If not sweet i might be able to get one myself.

>> No.3516319 [DELETED] 

>still have the CRT from my childhood and never had to deal with buying a new one
Anyone else know this feel?

>> No.3516356

Holy shit my parents got me this exact TV as an 10th birthday gift from Costco, still have it to this day

>> No.3516363

Damn thing went for $630, wtf.

>> No.3516802


CL is the worst fucking website in the world. Get this bug all the time.

>> No.3516862

there seems to be two listings for the same model on my city's page. asked the guy to send me e-mails until it's gone. the listing I'm talking about was posted this week too. although the oldest one of the two recently got bumped again.

>> No.3516887 [DELETED] 

>when one of your normie friends see your CRT set-up
>wow, Anon, it's 2016 get with the program dude even the old ass Nintendo has an HDMI now for M O D E R N T E L E V I S I O N S

How do you plead?

>> No.3516893

>when one of your normie friends see your CRT set-up
>wow, Anon, it's 2016 get with the program dude even the old ass Nintendo has an HDMI now for M O D E R N T E L E V I S I O N S, what are you poor? because I can give you one of the dozen I have from literally my closet!

How do you plead, criminal?

>implying there is any other answer than 0ms input delay

>> No.3516920

May not be the same then. I only did see one so thats good atleast. We arent overlapping search territories.

>> No.3516925

Holy shit, your thumb is broken

>> No.3516926

>How do you plead, criminal?
Fuck off.

>> No.3516928

ok, is the listing you're looking at from San Gabriel Valley? I would really hate to make this a competition because everyone deserves to have a CRT for gaymen.

>> No.3516957

Haha no where close. Im East Coast. About as far away as it gets pertaining to the USA.

>> No.3516963

The one the guy by me has also comes with the sony stand as well. Not that i need it. I have an oak corner entertainment center i plan on putting it in. Really wish it was a 310 though that voltage regulator can make quite a difference.

Also i cant seem to find much input but what are you alls thoughts on the fs320? I havent found one just asking for info about the model that may not be found in it owners manual.

>> No.3517027

FV vs FS
The FV has standard Picture-in-Picture (P-i-P), 15x2 watt speakers (compared to 5x2), a 3D digital comb filter (compared to a 3-line), and an extra S-video input.


has some good info on fd trinitron models

>> No.3517190

Most make sense, but how would no-sync be bad for the monitor?

Many games have stationary status bars for health/powerups etc, can that lead to burn in? Would it be better for the crt to limit it to say 1 hour of use at a time? I'm guessing these monitors were designed to run basically non-stop, but not with a static image (or portion of the screen being static).

>> No.3517517

You'll be fine if you don't leave something paused for days. If you're some kind of Megaman addict and that's literally all you play for hours every day, there's a chance you'll burn in that health bar border. If you guys want an example of extreme burn in, I can show you a monitor from my workplace that has a timecode block burnt in from displaying the time on top of programming every day for years.

>> No.3517520
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Hey Orange Park anon, I'm going to emaily you some pics.

>> No.3517763

Thanks for the info. Im going to prospect an fv300 tomorrow. Hopefully the picture is in decent shape. Though id trade it anyday for the fv310.
Needs to be specifcally a 27inch though or have some sort of stand if it a larger model cause my corner cabinet will only fit something up to 30" wide. And they decided to put the speakers on the side.
If I could buy a speakerless just monitor. I.E. one of thise NEC or Mitsubishi monitors id take it in a heartbeat but most of them Unicorns have been captured. I found one on a govt surplus site the XM29 not the plus model. But they never got back to me. I was trying to figure out how shipping worked when id have a company pick it up.
Also I prefer eternal sound anyway sounds better and i have speakers so I might as well use them.

>> No.3517797

>Picture-in-Picture (P-i-P)
doesn't this require a framebuffer and thus produce lag ?

>> No.3517834

Hey i always forget the model numbers and or at the very least a direction to look. The mitsubishi 15khz or multisync monitors, basically the equivalents to the NEC xm29, what are they called or what are some model numbers to look for?
I can never remember them. I really should write them down somewhere.

>> No.3517910

Enjoy your monitor, Orange Park guy.

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never ship a crt, it will get rekt.

Good Luck anon, hope you find one.

I learned something too, I didn't know the 16:9 enhancement squished all 480 lines into a 16:9 format instead of having black ars and reduced resolution. I've never used mine but tested it with the blu ray player and it's tits. you have to set the output to 480i 16:9 YPbPr and it works, mine is a 2 digit fv so it's manual. I need a new set as well but I am hunting a 955 or 960 wega 16:9 hdcrt for dreamcast + and movies
maybe? I've never used it while gaming.

>> No.3517987

Here's ones I've found to exist, there's probably more


megaview xc2910c
megaview xc2930c
megaview xc2930c
megaview xc2935c
megaview xc3310c
megaview xc3315c
megaview xc3716c
megaview xc3717c
megaview xc3725c
megaview xc3730c

>> No.3518035

Ive shipped before twice actually and both only needed minor tuning when they arrived. No exterior damage either.

But thank you and same to you endeavours.
Thanks anon!!

>> No.3518057

Guys, what do you think about SONY KV-29CL11 K, is it good?

>> No.3518074

I remember buying that same TV at Wal-Mart during Black Friday in the early 2000's.

>> No.3518093

>never ship a CRT
Actually you can safely ship then if you use reputable private carriers, ship via freight and use proper packaging. I received two 20 inch monitors (1x 20L5, 1x 20F1) from Harpo Studios last year on a pallet. They were pristine. Shipping was $250. The monitors were $25 total.

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You are my savior, AoJ

Once my SCART to BNC adapter comes in the mail, itll be smooth sailing. Until then, well, S-Video is nice

>> No.3518113

What about DHL?

>> No.3518197

DHL I haven't used a lot. I have used NAVIS though. Tell them you'll pay whatever it takes to get your CRTs delivered safely and they'll do the rest. My two 20 inchers came in their own custom cut cardboard boxes with extremely thick bricks of black foam cradling them on all sides. I threw out one of the boxes, broke the other one down for storage and kept a couple of the foam bricks in case I ever needed to ship something again.

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Not having a car is pain. I cant transport these heavyass CRTs for shit and no good/interesting ones are in my area

>> No.3518262

someone fell for the scart

>> No.3518279

Just get one 8 or 9 inch PVM/BVM and call it a day. They have carrying handles on the top and you get /fit/ while transporting it. People may think you're being ironic, like someone carrying a 90s battery-powered boombox, but it'll probably be worth it. What have you got to lose?

>> No.3518290

I totally would but PVMs are literally impossible to get in my country

>> No.3518315

Where? Just want to know so I never accidentally go there. Thanks!

>> No.3518323

Never come to Denmark. I cant even find CRTs in the trash and the ones there have been ripped for copper by gypsies or have wires cut because of dumb regulations.

>> No.3518403
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whats a decent vga to s-video/composite converter i can get?

i saw this startech one that seems good but its like $90 ouch

amazon has a lot of no name brand ones for like $15-$20 though

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>he needs a convertor
>he can't make his own

>> No.3518473

More like, most people here grew up with SCART.

>> No.3518527

Not sure if any of them will do 240p.

>> No.3518624

that will be 480i. mmight as well just get an old pci card with s-video output if that's what you're looking for. the only way I know of to get 240p out of a modern pc is a hd4/5/6/7xxx card crt emu driver and a vga to component transcoder.

>> No.3518649

One of my neighbors is getting rid of their Magnavox with a Sega Genesis. I already took the Sega Genesis and the box of games but wanted to know if I would be fine with a Plasma that has a max res of 720p. Is there any advantages with a CRT vs a Plasman?

>> No.3518708

>Is there any advantages with a CRT vs a Plasman?
Do you even lurk bro?

>> No.3518896

Maybe Beovision (Bang & Olufsen) tvs are available? MX series CRTs are supposed to be good

>> No.3518898

Useless middleman connector. Solder up your own wiring. Most RGB input CRTs take BNC connectors, not SCART.

>> No.3518902

>Is there any advantages with a CRT vs a Plasma
just give the genesis back.

>> No.3518904

>Most RGB input CRTs take BNC connectors, not SCART

Just no

>> No.3518913

>Most RGB input CRTs take BNC connectors
Nope, not a muritard

>> No.3518920

Most of the PVM/BVMs (that aren't DIN), Mitsubishi Megaviews, NEC XM 29" 33" 37", JVC's pro monitors. Only SCART I see are the Beovisions. I await your list of obscure TVs in an attempt to prove me wrong.

>> No.3518921

Yeah thats about the only option at this point. Problem is the firmware needs to be a certain number before you can access the service menu and that is kinda important to me.

>> No.3518924
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the retrostation

>> No.3518926

Comfy as hell. I appreciate the "grandma's basement" look

>> No.3518928

there are scart pvms

>> No.3518934

Found the NTSC fag

>> No.3518935

>scart pvms
Didn't know that, I stand corrected

>> No.3518938

Found me? NTSC fags are the majority

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>> No.3518947

>(that aren't DIN)

>Mitsubishi Megaviews, NEC XM 29" 33" 37"
Also support D-Sub

There are MANY more TVs sporting SCART connectors than there are professional sets period, not even getting into BNC only ones.

I vaguely remember asking this a long while ago, but can't remember the answer; v6 or 7506?

>> No.3518953

>being this delusional

>> No.3519041
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I just recently got a TV that has Composite, S-Video, and Component inputs. I know what I'm doing with all my consoles that I'm plugging into it except for my Saturn. Do I get an S-Video cable for it, or a SCART > Component converter?

>> No.3519057

S-video is generally good enough for consumer sets. Get the converter if you're a perfectionist, or if you're prone to compulsively upgrading.

>> No.3519061


Is a cheap one like this okay? or do I need to get one of those expensive $30 plus ones?

>> No.3519063

p45 https://equities.wedbush.com/clientsite/Research/ActionAlertFilePreview.asp?UUID=E4AFF57F-DDBC-437F-8520-AF38BEDD3E43



ps2 is the only thing that PAL outsold NTSC, and that wasn't even every year.

>> No.3519065

No idea how it works, but it's probably garbage. I'm not too familiar with converters, but I think startech is supposed to make good stuff.

>> No.3519068

do not buy that, I'll look like garbage if you use that converter. If you need to convert from RGB to composite, use the OSCC or XRGB Framemiester.

If you're trying to go from scart to RCA, you can buy a premade cable, but those are overpriced and you can make your own by buying a 1ft SCART to SCART, open up one end and solder on the connectors you need.

>> No.3519070

Oh look, the total of consoles sold in PAL regions total is slightly less than NTSC.
That's because Yuropoors aren't console faggots.

We are talking about general usage of the PAL/NTSC and not game consoles.

>> No.3519089

tell me about crt projectors
are they lagless? how much energy do they consume compared to a tv?

>> No.3519092

RGB->Component would be nice, but S-Video is more than enough for most. I'd only suggest the converter if you feel like slipping down the videophile rabbithole and/or S-Video ends up not looking good enough for you, which is doubtful.

That is literally just a physical adapter that takes three RCA and feeds them over a SCART connector.
You need something that will actually change the color space between the RGB of SCART to the YPbPr of Component.

This: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/371647985464
is the most often suggested one because it is relatively plentiful and easy to find, and gives decent results after some tweaking. It will need a small breakout like this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/302067263568
in order for you to get audio.

This: http://www.ani-av.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29_51&products_id=220
is a higher quality one that's been brought to my attention recently and will offer better results outright, no adjustments required. It also doesn't require a breakout for audio.

Though I really would suggest you at least try out S-Video before going around looking for transcoders.

>> No.3519097

Also, pay no mind to the "SCART->HDTV" bit written on it. Its purely a transcoder and does no scaling. Resolution/Sync-rate in=Resolution/Sync-rate out.
Component is just more common on LCDs in general than older SD sets, especially in comparison to SCART.

>> No.3519192

This is a video games board

Its not even close, admit it. Nintendo even names 3 regions, Japan, Americas and Other.

Europe doesn't even have its own category getting shoveled into the pile with the rest of "Other." Who's delusional... lol

>> No.3519202

By what you just said, you.
>muh Nintendu

>> No.3519214
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Found this 21 inch sony tv listed on craigslist
No model number or any other info on the post.
Guy wants 15$ for it
Says good working condition, what should I find out to see if its a good deal?

>> No.3519220

$15 is a fine price for a Trinitron, but I'd ask what the inputs are. It's hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like it might not have S-Video. That would be a deal breaker for me.

>> No.3519221

Since it only has RCA composite video, its not a very desirable CRT. Those Wega style flatscreens CRTs are very common and you should be able to find just about any size up to I think maybe 40ish inches. Those kind also don't work with light guns

>> No.3519223

I just want to play my old games on something that isnt a hdtv my fucking eyes hurt its so blurry

Which input is the S-video, im a scrub when it comes to this stuff

>> No.3519231

Svideo connector is a circular single plug with 5 pins. That Sony doesn't have svideo, only RCA composite. Which would make it a base model.

>> No.3519232

let me correct myself, it also has RF as an input, but I wouldn't consider using that as its low quality

>> No.3519235

you're stuck with composite or component.

>> No.3519239

Was ment for

>> No.3519246

But even if it doesnt have the s-video its still an upgrade from playing on an HDTV right?
Looking at the pastebin, I dont know shit about soldering so i would probably break a tv/console setting up that s-video

>> No.3519272


Composite on a 20", consumer CRT is still an upgrade from the fucking horrible demon shit that i.e. 2016 Samsungs do to old consoles.

We talk shit on composite, but that's mostly because once you've seen the better stuff it's hard to go back. Composite looks fine as long as you don't quickly A/B it with something better.

In the actual retro times basically everybody played using composite (or RF, which is modulated composite. So it will give games that """retro feel""", for better or worse.

For $15, I'd probably pick it up for now, and keep on the hunt for a slightly higher end, ~27" ish Trinitron which takes component and s-video. Post on here before you pick it up though, since some of the later models are "HD" which is bad.

I have a consumer, composite-only 20" that was my gateway drug back into CRTs. It still looks pretty good for playstation games.

>> No.3519276

Alright anon, thanks for the info
I had found a local game store that was selling ps2 and gamecube games for good prices, 7-10 bucks per game CIB unless the game was notably rare like Fatal Frame, which i paid 18 for

The guy is gonna get the model number when he's off work so I'll post it then

>> No.3519292

S-video is a pretty significant step up from composite in image quality, many systems output it natively and the cables are usually cheap and easy to find. It would be my preferred method of playing retro games on a consumer TV, and is a fairly common input on mid-late 90s TV sets, and basically ubiquitous on anything post 2000. It should be easy enough to find a TV for cheap or free that has S-Video, but if that's your only option where you live and you're fine with composite then $15 isn't much to fret over.

>> No.3519296


Yeah, it's a great time for PS2 stuff. There's some rare ish stuff that's just now hitting $30, but you can pick up great games all day long for $5-$8. Been loading up on black label, CIB THPS, MGS, GT, Ace Combat etc myself.

I haven't had much luck finding 'bargains' for GC, that train is currently pulling out of the station. I've still been buying backup copies of games at the $20-$30 price point though, since I'm pretty sure it's only going to get worse from here.

Apparently Xbox games are cheap as hell too but I have no strong interest in the system. Also I don't really expect these to get expensive in the future so I'm not concerned.

>> No.3519298

You can hook up S-Video to composite.
S-Video Y goes to composite Y and S-Video C goes to Pb and Pr.

No loss of S-Video quality.

>> No.3519301


I don't feel so good...

>> No.3519304

I have a chipped PS2 Slim with 640GB hard drive, with 99% of the PS2 games are on it.

>> No.3519305

hmm, no
s-video C uses a carrier. Pb/Pr don't

>> No.3519307

neat, is there a common adapter for that? I am just finding 7 pin s-video on searches which is unrelated

>> No.3519312

I was thinking of getting a ps2 slim because my fatty can no longer run the blue disc games.
Even popped it open and cleaned the lens, still no dice
How much did all of that cost you?
About how long to chip it and get the games on it?

>> No.3519313

That's irrelevant for anything newer like that consumer CRT.

>> No.3519316

>How much did all of that cost you?
>About how long to chip it and get the games on it?
Got it for free a few years ago from a shop my mom's friend used to work at, already had been chipped with a Matrix chip. The hard drive was from some old shit PC and the USB-SATA bridge was a few bucks off eBay.
Also had a Fat that I gave away as a gift years ago, that one I chipped myself, can't remember how much the chip was but took about 20 minutes of soldering.

>> No.3519318

>get the games on it?
I did it over time, when I was bored. A dozen games a day, I didn't plan on filling it up with all the game's, latter I just downloaded all I could find.

>> No.3519324

I recommend you just get a better TV, can't be that hard.

>> No.3519332

Not him but, as I remember that would only be a problem if you would try to feed a signal without a carrier into something that's looking for one.

>> No.3519338

My son, let me tell you about CRT projectors.

They are huge and heavy, in general. They have three tubes, one for each primary color. Due to the general nature of video and our world, some of those tubes get worn in faster than others. Some projectors were used to view 16:9 content so much that there's visible differences in brightness at the top and bottom of each tube. Some of these tubes were liquid cooled and/or focused (and are full of gunk, or dry, or whatever).

But yeah they look amazing when running properly and are pretty similar to regular CRTs with regard to response times.

I can't say for sure but it looks like that monitor has component inputs but not svideo, which is kinda odd. Component is better anyhow, I would definitely go take a look for $15.

>> No.3519361


>PS2 slim
>640GB hard drive

How does that work? Is your setup self-contained?

I've got an HDD in my PS2 fat, but I was under the impression that you basically have to use an SMB share through ethernet for the slims if you want good speeds. PS2 USB is like 1.1 speeds iirc so games load even slower than the retail disks.

>> No.3519390

you can wire the IDE directly, and there are some custom cases for an HDD

>> No.3519412
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Not that guy but I have a 500GB laptop drive in my PS2. Pic related.

USB on that console is a dead loss for storage because 1.1. I can pop this one out in literally a few seconds and stick it in my Thinkpad Utrabay adapter for 100MB/s transfer speeds. I have FreeHDBoot installed on it too so don't even have to have a modded memory card for emulators and all that good stuff.

Total cost? Around 5 bucks for the Sugoi drive adapter, the drive itself was surplus (free) after I upgraded my Thinkpad to SSD.

>> No.3519416

Just realised you were talking about the slim model...

Excuse me while I get my coat

>> No.3519432

Man, I wish the mods would sort their shit out with /v2k/ and or /vr/ some day so we didn't have to sneak this stuff into tangentally related threads.

>> No.3519439


Where did you get that IDE->SATA adapter? Googling "Sugoi SATA" didn't really seem to bring up anything actionable.

I'm currently waiting on the dual-row adapters to use the Startech adapter but something plug-and-play would be sweet for my next one.

>> No.3519451


I bought a job lot of them on eBay actually, hence the low unit price. They can be hard to find nowadays

>> No.3519461


>moon runes

um... ah....

>> No.3519465

I...I thought I was on 4Chan?

Run it through google translate then. The only relevant information is numerical anyhow...

>> No.3519546

Assuming you're talking about the 21" TV above

this means nothing
>composite video
It has component
>I think maybe 40ish inches
There's a 40" HD CRT TV, but no SD ones
>Those kind also don't work with light guns
Flat CRTs work with light guns without issue.

>> No.3519617

they weigh 150lbs, shit out 1kW of heat, are fiddly as hell to calibrate, cost tens of thousands of dollars, and you're ten years too late to find a low hours unit that's been stored carefully

the same as any other CRT

>> No.3519630

Wow, talking out of your ass.

>> No.3519648

I'm not that anon but the information presented is accurate.

>> No.3519649

You'll learn

>> No.3519654

Anyone here have experience with Denver brand CRTs? I found one near me that looks decent, but i cant find any info on them

>> No.3519663

>shit out 1kW of heat
To put some facts against the conjecture an extreme case (BarcoReality 912) only consumes 1.1KW total and wouldn't convert all of that to heat.

Even if it did, 3200x2560 resolution would make it worthwhile in my book.

>> No.3519715

tritube projectors don't need/use mask/grille right ?

>> No.3519753

Indeed, they use appropriately filtered monochrome tubes with electron beam directly onto a uniform phosphor layer.

I spoke earlier (last thread?) about 8k film recorders. The same principle is at work here. The limitation as regards resolution is beam width/focus and scan frequency. They can go far beyond what mask/grille setups are capable of.

>> No.3519795

KurtPalme is the only place I'd buy one from, unless I found someone selling a CRT projector in the wild for seriously low. Even then, buying a used projector is basically gambling with your time, money and space.

I still want one.

>> No.3519804

if any euro (specificaly french, italy or swiss) is here, there are 3 29" pvms on sale in lyon

>> No.3519879


I have a small electric heater that does 1.5k . So it's just a winter time projector, no big deal

>> No.3519927
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>this means nothing It has component
yellow is rca video composite
>There's a 40" HD CRT TV, but no SD ones
Wega's are all HD, came after the earlier Trinitrons
>Flat CRTs work with light guns without issue.
Check again. The Wegas we're discussing do not work with light guns.

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>Wega's are all HD

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>yellow is rca video composite
We'll done! Can someone get little Jimmy a gold star before he wets himself with excitement? Not sure how it relates to the discussion in hand but you sure know your colors!
>Wega's are all HD, came after the earlier Trinitrons
You're wrong. Nothing more to say
>Flat CRTs work with light guns without issue.
>Check again. The Wegas we're discussing do not work with light guns.
SD ones do...

>> No.3519975

From wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video
"High-definition video is video of higher resolution and quality than standard-definition. While there is no standardized meaning for high-definition, generally any video image with considerably more than 480 horizontal lines"

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>> No.3519981

Where does this state that all WEGAs are HD?

I can tell you from personal experience that they are not.

>> No.3519998

You must either be thinking of earlier Trinitrons or one that can do 480i.

>> No.3520017

Where do you guys buy your scart cables ?

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Busted out the old Saturn for this one (used to have a CD booklet with Daytona USA, C&C, and a few other decent games but I lost it, all I have left now is the MMX4 that was in it the whole time)

Probs gonna Psuedo Saturn it soon desu, just for them arcade-perfect CPS2 fighters

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I'm too curious to not buy this, I already have a Y cable to split chroma, and a powered splitter if that doesn't work. If I'm out 3 bucks because I got bamboozled, so be it.

>> No.3520147

The WEGA line is what Sony branded their high-end FD Trinitrons after 1998. There were both SD and HD WEGAs produced.

480i is the NTSC standard definition. 480p is Enhanced Definition, and 720p and 1080i/p is High Definition.

>> No.3520149
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Can anyone tell me what model this is? And if it's a sought after/good crt? Been into retro for a while but just now getting into the benefits of crt. Help would be appreciated, thanks

>> No.3520162

RetroGamingCables website or RetroConsoleAccesories eBay store.

If you have a PCM/BVM, make your own or buy BNC cables instead.

>> No.3520234

I'd buy in a heartbeat, kawaii~

Dunno model but that era of Trinis is late '80s early '90s

>> No.3520240


It looks like a late 80's to early 90's trinitron.

Almost certainly a consumer set, PVM/ BVMs are meant for local signals only and don't have tuners built in. That picture has "channel" buttons visible.

Also it looks pretty small to me, maybe a 9" or 14" tops judging by the button-to-screen ratio. Probably okay for the kawaii factor but if you're after good picture quality keep looking

>> No.3520260

gscartsw is too expensive, what do I get instead?

>> No.3520274

The little heat haze effect in the background of Sky Lagoon is such a nice little touch.

Assuming you're in the US:
Disregard SCART Switchers
Acquire Matrix Switcher

>> No.3520281

so you're suggesting I toss all my scart cables in the trash and buy new $30+ bnc cables for everything?

>> No.3520282
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Serves you right for falling for the scart meme.

>> No.3520283

There is literally nothing wrong with scart as a connector from a technical point of view. Try a real argument.

>> No.3520285

>There is literally nothing wrong with scart as a connector from a technical point of view.
Well, there's the impedance mismatch...

>> No.3520304

Is PS1 the next logical step for HD Retrovision?

>> No.3520318

This gets mentioned over and over again and nobody has


posted any kind of test bench setup that can actually measure this.

>> No.3520324

You could make your own little breakouts to adapt them to the matrix switcher for much less.

I'm just saying if you're bothered by how expensive the gscartsw is(which I agree with it being way too damn much), a matrix switcher is a much cheaper alternative with much better build quality and functionality; The only issue is adapting an already SCART based setup to the almost exclusive BNC Extron equipment.

You'd still need adapters, but you could looking into VGA switchers if that's something you'd feel better about.

>> No.3520329

System Shock 2 natively supports 4K resolutions and it came out in 1999, alternately it's extremely easy to edit a game's ini file to force it to play in whatever resolution you want

>> No.3520370

Almost definitely not, at least in a dedicated cable. PS2 runs PS1 games at 240p in either Component or RGB and the PS3 upscales to 1080p. Both of these alternatives look great on a flatscreen. The only way PS1 is getting represented is gonna be an adapter from the Genesis cable along with the Saturn and NGAES.

Pretty sure the next big product for them will be the Dreamcast Component cables.

>> No.3520406

You could use a reflectometer or a combination of a fast pulse generator and a fast triggerable scope.

>> No.3520445

if you use Phono plugs you have impedance mismatch
if you use phono-bnc you have impedance mismatch
if you use the most common bnc connectors you have impedance mismatch
if you use the wrong cables you have impedance mismatch

but, somehow, this is only important when you use scart...

variable geometry standards much ?

>> No.3520850

Thanks anon good info in here. I didnt know that about the PVM/BVMs. Good stuff. Obviously that's what I'm on the lookout for here but I saw this trinitron and it piqued my curiousity. Thanks

>> No.3521165

>drilling holes in your console because of /vr/ anti-scart memes

>> No.3521171

welcome to /vr/

>> No.3521185

only to use impedance-mismatch phonos and 50ohm bncs.

>> No.3521617

I try to avoid doing any physical modification to my console chassis but I made an exception for my SNES optical audio out. Totally worth it, no more analog brightness interference buzz. Besides, there are replacement back panels available.

>> No.3522170
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Though my entire life, whenever I did ANYTHING with a CRT, I only used RF or Composite. I just got a CRT the other day for like $5 that takes Component inputs, so I plugged my Wii into it and started playing some games with Retroarch in 240p

Holy shit.

Holy fucking shit

>> No.3522351
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I want a computer with S-Video outputs that can run Dolphin at 480p and other emulators at 240p.

I know Dolphin is mostly CPU demanding but is this possible with such low-end cards?
I will also use it to play Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy or Unreal Tournament 99 if possible.

What if I were to use my old i5 with a EVGA GeForce 6200?

>> No.3522353

Just use a PC CRT with a scanline filter

>> No.3522359

Those old gpus only output 480i through s-video, no 240p.

>> No.3522362

Not true.
The nvidia 79xx series and certain Radeon 3xxx series have s-video, scary or component out through adapters.

>> No.3522367

And where are you getting this info? Because I actually have one. The s-video/component output on my geforce 7800s only does 480i.

>> No.3522371

My CRT TV only supports 240p to 480i

I'm wondering about EmuDriver for 240p but I'm also clueless about that.

>> No.3522374

If I get another CRT my roommates will throw me out.

>> No.3522518

Just get a Wii and homebrew it. You can use a component cable for 240p to your CRT TV and a vga cable for 480p to your PC monitor.

Job done.

>> No.3522662

It won't work for what I'm trying to do.

>> No.3522686

You should be more concise with your needs than, so we're not playing the guessing game trying to help your pleb fgt ass for free.

>> No.3522690


>> No.3522710

Looking for an analog video amplifier IC that can handle 1600x1024 at 85Hz. Does anon have any suggestions? What does the bandwidth of an amplifier IC signify? Anything to do with it's ability to process different resolution signals?

>> No.3522763

Maybe read my post?

I can manage on my own anyway, if you don't want to help people for free then you're free not to, because you're just being a nuisance.

Is that enough?

>> No.3522772

Play your pc on a pc queer. You dont need dolphin if you have the actual hardware, just get an external hdd and cfg loader. Setup a vm if you're so pleb you have botnet windows.

I want to believe in you, take off the bib and go google some shit

>> No.3522779

maybe he wants to netplay

>> No.3522816

>The other kind of analog-video transmission is component and has three color components. RGB (red/green/blue) is the common computer-monitor standard and offers the highest quality of component video. RGB achieves a fully white-to-fully dark transition on adjacent pixels to optimize font appearance. For a common 1280×1024-pixel display with a 60-Hz scan-refresh rate, the pixel rate is nearly 100M pixels/sec. RGB components generally do not use DAC-reconstruction filters, instead transmitting the raw DAC output or a buffered version of it. Amplifier requirements are for a –3-dB bandwidth of 300 MHz, a slew rate of 1500V/µsec, and a settling time of 7 nsec to 1%.

>The typical RGB amplifier is a triple with an internally set gain of two. Back-matching resistors are external because IC processes do not give accurate resistor values. Single-supply amplifiers typically have a slew rate of only approximately 500V/µsec and barely settle within a clock time. At the highest pixel counts, the amplifiers typically run on positive and negative supplies; are current-feedback or slew-enhanced, voltage-feedback designs; and have more than enough slew rate and bandwidth. Linearity for these devices should be 1% or better, and dc offsets are not generally important because almost all monitors have a dc-restoration feature for their inputs.


>> No.3522889

A kinda odd resolution, here's the closest I found:
>106.25 kHz
>229.5 MHz
Now keep in mind that the required min. bandwidth is half the sampling rate. Your amp needs to be able to amplify 114.75Mhz or faster, also look in the datasheet for the external components (you better use the recommended resistors only) as well as keeping your wiring short and use proper shielded cable (75ohms) as 'early' as possible. (this means to solder it as close to the circuits as possible, also don't forget to solder the shield to ground)

>> No.3522995

What kind of monitor/TV are you using? I've accomplished this with an old Radeon card, a 480p capable PVM and VGA to BNC breakout cables.

>> No.3522996

I have the same monitor heh

>> No.3523123
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alright /vr/, I managed to pick both of these CRT's up for under 40 bucks total at a place I cant tell you about so random nerds don't come in taking all the goods. These weren't so hard to find but I'm sure it will be much harder to look around for the holy grail of BVM's and NEC monitors. Can anyone who has these recommend them?

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A Pokemon VCR exists...


>> No.3523204

My dad says he has a CRT that's around 30 inches. Is there a good chance its an HD?

>> No.3523301

Yes but take a look anyhow.

>> No.3523332

Even 14":ers aren't that horrible to carry, you could probably get it home on the train/bus, unless you have twigs for arms.

>> No.3523348

14" bvms are quite the horror.
feels like the electron gun is a neutron star

>> No.3523406


Model numbers?

>> No.3523551

Looks like a Dell P991 or similar and a 20M2MDU/E

>> No.3523563

Looks like a Dell Ultrascan P991 on the left and a Sony PVM 20M2MDU on the right.

Good scores on both. That Ultrascan can handle 2048x1536 at 60 or 1920x1200 at 85, really underrated monitor.

>> No.3523660

It's actually the front glass that's probably the heaviest part, imho.

>> No.3523706

BVMs have many extra components and are built much much more sturdy than PVMs it adds a lot of weight

>> No.3523950

I have two, one 20 and one 14. Yeah they weigh more but those handles sure do make a massive difference when lifting.

>> No.3524128
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Just picked this up from a garage sale today and plugged in my snes through s-video and noticed that the image seems to be pulled in from the right about an inch. Anyone know what's causing this? I don't remember noticing it before.

>> No.3524139

different resolution display differently on crts. test a few different consoles and see how the overscan looks. If you want to adjust the horizontal position there is usually a pot to adjust that inside the tv. just be careful and note the original position.

>> No.3524142

Different consoles start drawing their active video lines at different points than others, and also have differing horizontal resolutions.
Adjusting Horizontal Center or the equivalent option in the service menu will let you adjust the former, and Horizontal Size or the equivalent will let you adjust the width of the drawn raster. You'l likely need to adjust both in this case, since the image on your set seems correctly aligned on the left of the screen, but not the right.

Make use of the grid and linearity images in that Test Suite to get geometry correct(squares are square, circles around as round as you can manage) and then go from there.

You'll need to find the service manual or at least how to access that Samsung's service menu to do all of this, it won't be in the normally accessible one. And don't go changing all types of things around without knowing what they do, otherwise you could end up leaving it in MUCH worse shape than it currently is.

>> No.3524143

A pot?
I also tested the wii, which is what i'm running 240p suite on in the pic.
I did get into the service menu, a lot of options, I just wanted to see if it could be magnetization issue from the move before i spend hours adjusting from the menu.

>> No.3524148

thanks, so far i've tried the wii and snes and it's also displaying the issue on just blue screen so i don't think it's the consoles.

>> No.3524152

its horizontal position. all tvs have slightly different position. its not caused by magnets. some games will actually let you adjust the horizontal position in the options. really its not a big issue i would just leave it.

>> No.3524163

Poteniometer. A little knob to turn inside of the monitor, and something you're more likely to find on older analog chassis.
I'm not saying a mid-2000's Samsung like that might not have one or two floating around inside, but the service menu would be the way to go about adjusting things like this.

Screen size and center are some of the simpler things to adjust in service menus, so it shouldn't be too difficult or take too long to remedy.

>> No.3524169

I've been fiddling around for a little bit and i've adjusted the H-EW to stretch the width of the screen but I cannot get it even on both sides, the right seems to have some weird warping.
In the linearity test the left side has circles, while the right side has ovals

>> No.3524693

>set up alert messages on auction sites for sony bvm and pvm in my area
>one year later not a single monitor up for sale

why even live

>> No.3524701

>in my area

>> No.3524820

I'm seriously considering making a physical mail campaign to all the local production companies and TV stations offering to buy CRTs. If it happens and it works, ya'll profit.

>> No.3525274
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>Wanted to buy one of those shitty CRT/radio combos to replace the one I bought brand new for five bucks and accidentally broke a few years ago
>figured I'd have to pay fifteen bucks, five for the TV and ten for the shipping
>my fucking face when seeing those online prices
I have a fucking CRT museum in my house and I never paid more than 25 dollars for a single TV. What the fuck happened?

>> No.3525278
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Hipsters, anon. Hipsters happened

>> No.3525325

Vaporware. Not even once.

>> No.3525512
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KV27FS17, BluRay, 480i, YPbPr, 16:9 enhanced (squishes raster for full 480 lines?) Velocity Modulation on low. This tv is kinda fucked but it looks damn good in person.

480i isn't too bad. Why aren't consoles this crisp though?

>> No.3525634

There is a big improvement in input/display lag when changing from LCD TV to CRT TV because the former needs to scale+deinterlace. (original hardware)

By comparison, how much will input/display lag improve going from LCD PC monitor to CRT PC monitor? (emulation)

>> No.3525829

Video 2 on my TV is both the S-Video port and the composite port on the back of my TV. If I have an N64 cable that has both cords at the end, do I benefit from having both plugged in at the same time?

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>> No.3525862

No. Just keep the s-video plugged in.

>> No.3525925
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Which japnese tv brand/model is best for japanese gaming?

>> No.3525937

Does anyone know if there's a way to factory reset a Toshiba AF series CRT? I kinda fucked up in the service menu.

>> No.3525969

The service menu was for professional use only, there is no reset. You can set it to the initial specs for an eeprom replacement but it will still need a bunch of adjustments. Why didn't you write the settings down silly? Get ready to get friendly with 240p test suite.

>> No.3525998

Thanks for the info. Yeah, it wasn't a smart move. I was using the 240p Test Suite when I messed it up. And now, not matter what I do, I can't get the grid lines to straighten out.

>> No.3526013

Under no circumstances can you photohraph it, untold damage can be done if you do so

>> No.3526061
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Is a KV-24FV300 worth driving 75 miles for?

>> No.3526068
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Picked up this pvm-20M2U off craigslist last night.
I happened to have one of those 3 in one sony/xbox/nintendo cables with s-video lying around so I've just been messing around with that.

Unfortunately in my haste and excitement I somehow managed to jam the sony av cable into my snes in the dark like a retard and shorted it out so it's just giving me a black screen now.

>> No.3526132

the girl in the picture might be

>> No.3526178
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Shouldn't there be more color visible at 1?

>> No.3526182
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Should I get it /o/? I already have a PVM-20M2MDU, And i'd really like a 'desktop' unit. I'd like to see if he would get down to $100. With CRT prices skyrocketing, i doubt i'd get a better deal for an actual PVM anytime soon.

He also has some 8040's for sale, I want another 8" PVM since the one I have has a shot Green channel on the RGB input.

>> No.3526217


>> No.3526240

1> you can't photograph that.
2> there should be more definition in the white grades. It gets full bright like there shades early.

You could possibly fuck around with color and brightness controls and cable quality.

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Too quiet.

>> No.3527294

Can I hook a SHVC-cpu-1 to RGB without any mods? Currently using a SNES Mini that I modded. On the NTSC multiport output, does it output composite video that is stripped for sync or does it output just sync signal?

>> No.3527306

I talked to a guy that delt in that equipment and he said that people call all the time for the 20" but nobody wants the 14". I'd say its up to you, I wouldn't pay more than say $75 but then again if you don't have a pro monitor, it might be a good chance to get something at least.

>> No.3527318

I'm going to go pick up a Trinitron KV-16WT1. Anyone got something i should look out for or ask the owner about?

>> No.3527330

Pin 3 is csync.
Pin 9 is composite video

>> No.3527346

on the SNES multi out or SCART?

>> No.3527354

The SNES multi out.
Never fall for the scart meme.

>> No.3527407

yeah but the SNES NTSC scart cable is only $7 from china and its not like you can use the RCA composite ones as they don't have metal pins at the connections they don't use. With the $7 multi out to SCART it also comes with the caps and resistors built in. Then I solder wiring to the SCART pins and run it to BNC terminals that go to the monitor

>> No.3527661


>> No.3527802
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Someone just put up a 14" Trinitron monitor in NYC, for $100. I thought about it but I decided it's not really worth pursuing. I've already got a 32" Trinitron TV that looks good and I don't think I would want to pay $100 or more for an RGB monitor unless it was a 20" model.

What drives me insane is that twice now I've seen a good deal for a PVM, contacted the seller, he never gets back to me and next thing I know the price on the listing has jumped up from something reasonable to $500. By now I am pretty sure it's the same guy behind both and he's trying to run some kind of scam. If he's actually got shit to sell and he's going to try to bait and switch people into paying the eBay price, he has no-one to blame but himself if no-one buys.

>> No.3527847

I'm pretty sure that 14" model doesn't support RGB, only S-video and composite. And honestly, people are asking way too much for these things.

>> No.3527852

Yeah, I'm leaning more and more towards just saving up for a Framemeister. I've already got several CRT TVs and monitors and as much as I would love to get an RGB monitor for my consoles, it's coming less and less practical these days. There was that brief flash in the pan where all the studios and hospitals were getting rid of them and it was a great option, but we're fast reaching the point where you'll be better off with either going cheap and getting a component cable TV for $5 at the thrift store, or going ultra-modern with a framemeister.

If I find a good deal on a PVM I'll definitely spring for it, but it's looking a lot less likely than it was a year ago.

>> No.3527856

This (scalping) is pretty common with craigslist. If he sells just one monitor at that inflated price, it'll make all the spam effort worth it.

>> No.3527987

My BVM14G5U always auto Degauss when I Turn it on, how do I disable this function?

>> No.3528031

That's normal. If you're worried, leave the monitor in standby. BVMs were made to be powered on 24/7 for months and years. There's two 14 inch BVMs in my station that have been confidence monitors for Comcast closed captions for years now. They'll probably continue to run for years before shitting the bed or being decommissioned.

Almost every consumer computer monitor I've manipulated in my lifetime has auto-degaussed when powered on. I wouldn't sweat it.

My earlier comment about not habitually degaussing was to deter people from being trigger happy. Degaussing is not a magic bullet; it's particularly useful in a few specific situations (mostly related to cardinal direction orientation or operation in extreme close proximity to other strong magnetic fields).

Remember to let your monitor warm up for a good 20 minutes to 1 hour before adjusting fine settings.

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Relevant image.

>> No.3528096

Look up the service manual, many times it has the default values listed. Mine did and it's just some shitty Sanyo.

>> No.3528181


Is it worth it? I've had my eye on it for some time but I'm concerned about the purity issue. Thoughts?

>> No.3528189

You want that to happen. If it didn't, the tube would gradually become magnetized.

>> No.3528294

I wasn't able to find the service manual anywhere online, at least with dropping some cash.

>> No.3528297

Seriously, this.

>> No.3528324

Double no. It already has issues before even considering what may crop up in shipping, and doesn't even have RGB available with out modding.

And the price isn't even decent to begin with.

>> No.3528325
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Not my photos but my mom has a similar telly, is it possible for a retard to connect it to a laptop and how expensive the cables and shit will be?

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>> No.3528340

post brand and model numer maye someone knows where to find it nice /crt/ anons have helped me before.

>> No.3528341

Is there a way to know if there's a PC monitor or consumer TV with the same tube as the PVM 1271Q?

>> No.3528356

to a laptop. Since its composite rca only you will need a digital to analog converter. They usually do 480i video. It wont look as good as hardware but it does the job. I dont know about any that do 240p but im sure someone else might.

>> No.3528360
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will something like this do?

>> No.3528367

yes. but anons usually say the video looks shit compared to hardware video.

>> No.3528369

> but anons usually say the video looks shit compared to hardware video.
i don't mind that. it probably looked like shit back in the day.

>> No.3528379

Emulated 480i on CRT still gets upscaled like it would on a modern LCD, since the game's native resolution was 240p. Just not as much.

>> No.3528382

so you are saying it will look not much different from LCD? Well at least that telly is bigger than my lcd tv/monitor.

>> No.3528386

240p>480i is like only 2x scaling, not as bad.
240p>1080p has to be upscaled like 5x as much.

>> No.3528445
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someone is seriously asking $500 for this KX-14CP1 and laserdisc player.

They wont separate them either.

>> No.3528612

I called on one from NYC the other day, the $30 one. It was a lady that owned a production company (filmingf for MTV, A&E and a few others). She said she already had a few people call and coming to look at it, asked what the deal was as she was getting inundated with calls. She was really sweet and I talked to her for a while about her company. She was so nice that I spilled the beans and told her she should take down the craigslist ad and sell it for 10x, telling her to look at how much they were going for on ebay. Sorry guys! She was very nice and I felt bad for her as her company is downsizing.

>> No.3528691


you... you... really really considerate and thoughtful individual

>> No.3528723
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bumping this. I'm interested in this too.

>> No.3528738

Just got the ebay notification for it, god fucking damn.

>> No.3528895

I have need of a 480p screen that supports light guns over component, is there any decent list of all the ED CRTs that were released? I'm guessing it's a very short list.

>> No.3528943

What's wrong with the slim?

>> No.3528956

ED CRT tvs don't exist. ED was a thing with flat panel tvs.
every 480p-able CRT is also 1080i (and thus HD CRT) because of the minimal freq difference (31-33khz).

>> No.3528959

And looking around, it looks like my only option is the L5 line of PVMs, which never show up on eBay, or a BVM, which is even rarer.

Fantastic. I'm so happy I only realised I needed a 480p screen after the entire market got filled with people willing to spend 500 bucks on a 14" screen. AND it's a crap-shoot if it'll even work because literally nobody has ever tried it.

I should have just bought an arcade cabinet. It'd probably be cheaper and less hassle at this point for the single game I'm doing this shit for.

>> No.3528963

jvc DT-V line, mitsubishi, nec.

or Component-VGA with a PC monitor

>> No.3528973

>or Component-VGA with a PC monitor
If only it was that easy, the 0.001 second of delay it adds would make it unusable. The other professional monitor types are even rarer than Sony's, so it's barely worth considering them.

>> No.3529069

Just received a sony bvm-1910d, hooked it up, picture comes through from my SNES but only yellow. If I press the red button on the front, the colors turn to green, if I press the green button the colors turn to red, so it seems the guns are working but the blue button doesn't seem to work and it looks like the bottom tray took a hit in shipping. Is it likely just this button being messed up? It has a key lock and I have no key, any ideas? the other two color buttons click when I depress them, the blue just goes in and out

>> No.3529090

^ also forgot to mention this happens in both RGB and composite inputs. To rule out the SNES, when I hook up the composite/rgb to my 20" pvm the colors look fine.

>> No.3529153

the 3 buttons are to turn off or on the corresponding color. The keys are a pain to come by i managed to find a guy in california, David Riddle, search David Riddle Company on ebay and he has a contact number to call and ask him if he has any more keys. i paid $5 for 2 keys shipping included. Which isnt bad, considering the key through sony use to be $50 a piece.

>> No.3529160

I'm pretty sure that good converters don't add lag.

>> No.3529191

Thanks for the info. I was able to get into the trey by prying the whole tray up at the key arm and it moved up enough to get the arm by the slot. If I can't get ahold of David Riddle, I might remove the lock (though its retaining ring is loctited) or cut the material away that is in front of the arm.

This monitor looks incredible, just from playing 5 minutes of FZero

>> No.3529198

spacing out today, forgot to say it was that blue button. it couldn't come out all the way due to the front being dented in. I can force it out and the picture clears up, I just have to figure out how to straighten the front lip so its straight.

>> No.3529230

Off topic I know but do RGBS Scart cables on GameCube actually get true RGBS signal quality?

>> No.3529270

Only PAL Gamecubes have RGB available on the Multi-Out.
NTSC only has up to S-Video.

Not sure why you're asking about whether it's "True" RGB quality or not. GC has some damn good video output, and that stands true for all of the outputs.

>> No.3529276

The seller also had at least 1 or 2 other BVM 1910's if anyone is interested. http://www.pixequip.com/product.aspx?id=359736

Seller is in canada, was about $400 shipped to the USA.

>> No.3529280

It doesn't take an internal hard drive which was the entire point of my post

>> No.3529283

Some NTSC models support component. That's the better option over RGB if you're looking to play at 480p.

>> No.3529296

And the cables to use it go for over $200 at this point.
PAL also supports component via those cables, but not progressive scan(without homebrew).

GCVideo/Lite is a nice option to look to, but isn't exactly an easy plug and play solution is just about all cases.

>> No.3529398

Well I live like 2 and a half hours away but I was considering making the trip. I just really want a 20inch monitor but I guess it should at least be RGB capable if I get one

>> No.3529426
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What kind of giant monitor is this? I want it.

>> No.3529439

almost looks like a shitty projector TV

>> No.3529454


Bro i promise you dont want that. The colors are fucked beyond belief
Looks like a washed out TN panel no matter what you do. I have one.

>> No.3529478
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Picking this one up tomorrow for free. Can't tell much from it, but it's from the 80's.

Can anyone help me out with the details?

>> No.3529657

I was looking into it but a freind let me borrow his YPbPr cable and the only reason to have one is a GB player. I can't tell a difference between gc games on Wii or GC in 480p

still might get the one that doesn't remove the digital out once the ez pak kits ship on badass

>> No.3529661

Sony branded their higher end sets "Profeel" in Japan (and maybe a few other places?) so of you see one in good condition, I would snap it up.

>> No.3529673

you didn't even post an input shot or a model number silly.

I can tell you it's an old sony console tv probably 27" that is probably RF or RF/CVBS only and it's gonna be heavy

>> No.3529737

No problem, wasnt aure if you wanted to avoid damage albiet minor to the chassis so i hadnt suggested prying.
But since it is out itd probably be easiest to just remove the lock if u dont care if it there.
I wanted to keep it because the drawer has a tendency to open easily if not locked when moving the unit.

>> No.3529752

Im not really sure, basically you can expect RF and hope for composite. Either way it wont look 'bad' unless you sit 3 feet from it

>> No.3529756

I just dismantled the entire chasis of my BVM and unscrewed the lock from behind it

>> No.3529808


That's a swamp cooler,lol.

>> No.3529853

A giant box fan with mist?

>> No.3529861

Essentially, yeah. Just search "football swamp cooler" on image search.

>> No.3530017


Wood frame? sick.

>> No.3530029
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weird german website but I like this pic


>> No.3530035

>i like this pic
fuck out of here

>> No.3530042


>> No.3530049

Anon in this other thread just bought an NEC XM37 for $1500 + $900 shipping, kill me.


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>> No.3530069

big deal. I got my crt at goodwill for 5 bucks and it has superb retro feel

>> No.3530128

For those old ass probably RF only sets its more an improvemnt imo. They dont have much other use.

>> No.3530131

>hes literally retarded

>> No.3530170

Why? What am i missing?

>> No.3530434

If what you're implying were true, having even a slightly longer cable run between the console and display would render it unusable.

A quality analog transcoder that ONLY changes color spaces should leave light gun games in the exact same condition they were in before transcoding.

>> No.3530438

>the tube could have been swapped
>even some of those old ones have composite
>you wouldnt sit 3 feet away from a console tv so rf doesnt even look that bad
>could be possible to mod it for composite or s-video

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For that kind of money I'd want it shipped in a nuclear flask.


>> No.3530506

What do you get if you request installation with badass? I'm looking into getting both hdmi and component but I'm curious if it'll be as simple as plugging and playing

>> No.3530507

Isn't the xp37 plus the most desired model?

>> No.3530538


I don't know, I guess it comes down to preference. I have an XP29 Plus and I am happy with it. Got some visible moire pattern on certain screens but overall it looks great. I use it for everything except the Famicom and MSX which I play on my smaller Ikegami because I like the look of older games on the smaller screen.

>> No.3530572

Don't feel like looking up model numbers, but that's be the XP37 Xtra; Highest horizontal sync(95khz?) plus component support.

>> No.3530574

Toshiba 27AF53. If anyone has the service manual for this or a similar model, I would greatly appreciate it.

>> No.3530580

That was me. Hope it survives shipping.

>> No.3530747

I hope it doesn't.

>> No.3530756

Are you from the past?

>> No.3530769
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I've found 3 crts in under a month on the side of the road. One being a heavy as fuck Sony trinitron, they all work like 90% of what I expect they looked like new. Trini suprisingly works great. I should also add, though they were on the curb, I still found out about them through craigslist. Under the free section , listed with other shit people don't want that nobody will pay for. One tv I found by a garbage can in some guys yard so I just took it.

>Don't look under electronics, look under "free"

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>> No.3530849
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Why is Composite so bad?

>> No.3530896

memes deserve good answers too sometimes. Here.

If I gave you a headset with instructions on how to paint a painting you could probably do it. Slow, and most likely close to what I wanted. Electronics are near instant and almost 100% what I wanted.

Pretend you are electronic and fast.

Composite is multiple voices telling you what color goes where and how bright for your picture. 5 different voices all talking at once. You need to do this picture so fast you mess up ( usually 60 times a second (or 50 if palfag). You can't go any faster, but you can't take longer either. Sometimes there is outside electrical storms or nearby picture creation rooms (power surges or other analog cords) that muff up the instructions too.

Component or scart for 240p gaming is like having 5 different people with different headsets. One for luma, one for blue, etc. The picture can't be completed any faster, but the individual person doing their job can focus better, creating a clearer picture. Component and scart sometimes have higher quality shielding too, so less muffed up instructions. (you can get thick protected cords of any type, but even cheaper YPBPR usually have better shielding that composite)

Something like S-video falls in between the two examples above.

Digital connections, like hdmi or DP, are still like you and a ton of others working together (depending on the cord , the faster the digital cord the more others there are to help do more cool things). You are instead given the image and told to trace it and make it look perfect.

>> No.3530901

Piss poor analogy.

>> No.3530920

Oh, it wasn't as bad as your response to it.

>> No.3530928

My response was accurate and didn't waste anyone's time with a wall of text.

>> No.3530929
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Does the US 1910 take the same key as the Aus 2010 version? If you can't get hold of Dave Riddle, you might take pic related to a locksmith. I did, and I now have tow working keys.

>> No.3530930

That isn't the definition of anything more than brevity, and sadly that's all you get points for. But then you lost them again by getting salty.

>> No.3530931

What are those keys for?

>> No.3530935

Oh, and remember to print it 1:1 in mm.

>> No.3530939

Well, your wall of text analogy is, in fact, piss poor. Sorry you are not knowledgeable enough to realize it. You don't need to get butthurt when someone calls it what it is because in this thread we care about accurate information. If you don't know it is best to remain quiet and listen to those who know.

>> No.3530940

The controls drawer on the front, below the screen. So you don't have to dismantle your early-model BVM to get into it.

>> No.3530942

My what? I think you've mistaken me for the guy who posted the analogy. I'm just chiming in to call you the wanker you are :)

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ooooh, fail.

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u wut m8?

>> No.3531098

I took the advice of some anon and carried the CRT home. 2 hours and 15 kilometers later its finally in house. I'll see about getting some pictures later when i have it all hooked up. If my phone camera decides that it works

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What have I gotten myself into? The thing weighs over 200 pounds and I have to take it up a flight of stairs.

Model #: KV-2647RX. Came with a remote and Composite cable adapter as it is RF. I will have to wait until tonight until a buddy helps me get it up the stairs.

What would happen if I strip it of its wood? Might just refinish it

>> No.3531194

nice dumpster tier tv dude

>> No.3531204

Don't listen to the other guy, that TV is amazing.

Could be easier with a one of those 2 wheel dollys

>> No.3531209

Damn, you just made yourself look like even more of a faggot

>> No.3531216

Please don't fuck with the wood man

>> No.3531225

I encoded Rick Astley's most famous music video to DVD and played it on my tiny CRT. Couldn't upload it to Youtube due to copyright reasons, but here you can download it if you're interested.

>> No.3531259

>ED CRT tvs don't exist


>> No.3531267


I will just dust it off and will ensure its care. If not for me, then for future generations. The fact that I can't find any images of it outside of manuals makes me wonder how many of these are still out there working. I'll post some screenshots of it up and running a bit later

>> No.3531271

man it must suck to live in the first world for crt fans, i see crt's here on a regular basis.

>> No.3531510


That's a really slick set. Mid-Century Modern vibes. The wood is the best part, give it a light sanding/oil if anything.

>> No.3531702

Alright i got it all set up, but the image appears to be off-center and i cant enter servicemode with this remote. Does anyone here know where i could get a remote for a 2000s-ish Sony Trinitron?

>> No.3531997
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>searching for tvs and monitors on craigslist
>want to put -lcd to avoid lcds
>however, some people put "not a lcd" on their crt listings

>> No.3532073

the same thing on ebay.
>search for a megadrive game or accessory
>millions of NOT MEGADRIVE listings.
>among of million of other NOT NINTENDO NOT ATARI NOT SNES

>> No.3532151

>not finding other random words to block that get the same result

Man my eBay alerts are wacky.

>> No.3532350


It takes 6 Mhz to transmit a full luminance signal (black and white) at old TV resolution. Radio transmissions in the old days were just one 6 Mhz channel, so it worked out fine.

Then, they added in two color channels (blueishness and reddishness), but they still wanted to cram it in to the old signal. So they ended up saving like 60% of the original bandwidth for luma, 20% for blueminance, and 20% for redminance.

The end result is that the signal loses a bit of luma resolution, making things blurry, and greatly loses chroma resolution, which makes the edges of colors streak and spread out. IMO the worst part is the luma-chroma crosstalk, where sharp black and white transitions will create spurious color noise.

Composite encoding is an irreversible, lossy transformation.

Component uses three separate 6 MHz channels (18 MHz total), so it can carry the full bandwidth of the signal and doesn't throw away information.

>> No.3532365


I got one on ebay. I think most trinitrons all use the same codes as each other.

I looked up the original remote mine shipped with (find service manual or whatever), note the model number, and try to buy one that's sorta close to the model number or age on ebay.

I didn't have to change anything and my random modern-trinitron remote just worked

>> No.3532383

Alright i'll look on ebay. The problem is my remote doesnt have a display button. Its the one that came with the TV originally too. Thanks for the advice, Anon

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Just got a 20M2MDU for $100, awwww yeah

>> No.3532768

Protip. Those cables suck. Break it apart and use the console specific plugs to create s-video only cables. The stock cables are just composite, even through s-video. Making your own separate cables is better. True svideo

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>> No.3532840

>Is a KV-24FV300 worth driving 75 miles for?
Only if you live in an area where that is your only option. Otherwise I wouldn't drive that far for anything that wasn't special; such as a BVM or a MegaView.

>> No.3532917

how does one "make his own" vga to composite converter

>> No.3533083

I dont know but people in this thread think you should DIY everything except when it actually comes to working on a CRT, then they pussy out and say they'll 'deal with' their shit convergence.

>> No.3533124

I can understand the fear if you only own one CRT, but if you have a backup there's really no good reason not to safely, slowly fuck with every pot available inside a set. If you have a vectorscope, you're even better equipped to make changes.

I still haven't messed with the convergence rings on any set I own. I also have never added magnets or "rejuvenated" a tube, though a much older engineer friend of mine keeps offering to do so. He said he used to regularly flash tubes for fun back in his day. I'm relatively sure he knows what he's doing (he's a legit wizard with satellite tech and electronics repair), but I don't have a really good candidate for rejuvenation imho. All my CRTs look healthy at the moment.

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ill bump

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I'll lend you my power.

>> No.3533659


You don't really "DIY" it, you rely on a global network of semiconductor fabs.

There are a lot of ICs that will encode composite from RGB. The CXA1145 is commonly used for S-video and composite upgrades to sega genesis

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Nintendo just released another video on NES mini

>Shows interface
Interesting HUD, reminds me of AVS
>Reset button for save states
Whatever, to each his own
>Crispy upscaling, colors look right
Only took them ten years
>4:3 mode
Here's hoping there's no stretched widescreen mode
>CRT filter

So looks like we're getting some official CRT shaders for this thing. Thoughts on the filter? Video only showed a few seconds.

>> No.3533791

I don't think the market for this thing is knowledgeable enough about retro video to know what to do with this. Everybody is just going to play it in stretched widescreen. There will be tons of threads of people asking how to "get rid of the black bars on the sides".

>> No.3533807

>crt filter must also be composhit filter

>> No.3533812

all they need to do is add a subtle scanline overlay. hopefully you can do integer scaling

>> No.3533824

you can't directly encode vga to composite because 31-15 khz.
CXA1145 comes stock with md/gen model1.
And if you ever need to DIY a 15khz rgb-svid/composite, you should go with a CXA1645, nearly same pinout, far less components needed and direct svideo output.

>> No.3533946

I would not advise rejuvenating unless the tube is on its last legs

>> No.3533958

Stop. fucking. bumping. this.

You retards know that japanese TVs arent made any different than any other CRT TV.

Fucking weaboos
>japanese gaming
what the fuck does that even mean, a japanese snes game doesnt look any different on a japanese made CRT.

I'm sorry you think they made their CRTs with glorious nippon steel.

>> No.3533981

>a japanese snes game doesnt look any different on a japanese made CRT.
IIRC japanese NTSC has different black level than American NTSC.

>> No.3534007

tfw all the best CRTs are made in Japan.

my picks are anything with at least s-video, a real wood enclosure and the oem remote.

Then I would put the Mitsubishi 40",little cute sharp linytrons. Zenith Digital System 3 and then component sd trinitrons.

If you care more about the picture then the feels

SD content KVxxFV-310 are the top consumer set



this is common knowledge

>> No.3534069

Ok well unless you can read moon runes you wont be using jap ntsc, a PVM supports all the standards anyway.
Just because they happen to be from japan doesnt mean anything

he asked specifically GLORIOUS NIPPON TV FOR GLORIUS NIPPON GAME like it actually makes a difference where the CRT is made like hes going to import a CRT made with nippon steel

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>not folding your aperture grilles over 1000 times for the sharpest of pixels

>> No.3534158

Yeah, as mentioned, I don't have any good candidates at the moment. Maybe soon when my station gets rid of its last three CRTs.

>> No.3534357

>that guy that doesn't know that composite and component are different things
>that guy that thinks you need to mod your consoles to get RGB
>that guy that needs to ask if something is a CRT or not
>that guy that thinks you can convert composite to RGB or vice versa and get RGB quality
>that guy that's emulating on a pi with 480i composite and think he's part of the CRT master race
>that guy that spends an exorbitant amount on a PVM, then asks what the BNC connectors are
>that guy who has been playing on a HD CRT this whole time and gets defensive when he's told how it is

>> No.3534369

im literally all of these, and its a bvm by the way. eight full, hard inches of 480i composite retropi feels.

>> No.3534413

HD CRTs are fine for 480p and 1080i.

>> No.3534434

I had assumed he was asking for what Jap CRTs were good because he was living there or near there or planned on looking at auction websites. There must have been a reason, I rationalized.

>> No.3534442

I agree with your assessments aside from the one about modding consoles to get RGB. That's true for some consoles. Don't be obtuse.

>> No.3534479

>that guy that thinks you can run RGBS through a composite cable with a composite to scart adapter.
>that guy who thinks you can run 480p through s-vid or composite, and mixes 480p and i up regularly
>that guy who asks in the thread how to hook his laptop to his CRT
>those guys who always suggest getting a graphics card with s-video without knowing that you cant output 240p over it

>> No.3534513

>those guys who always suggest getting a graphics card with s-video without knowing that you cant output 240p over it
You can actually, if you mess with the registers.

>> No.3534752

Yeah it looks like the CRT filter is a "haha those old things were so shitty" joke filter. Wavy lines, blurring, like a sad RF modulation emulation. All that was really necessary were some scanlines and a tiny bit of bloom or geometric distortion.

>> No.3534759

hey guise, I made this guide about video monitors
feel free to suggest changes, when it's good enough it could be put in OP

>> No.3534940

holy shit, someone is fucking mad.

>> No.3534942

Shit, I've been looking for one too. And also bumping this shit to make >>3533958 pissed.

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>japanese gaming
what did he mean by this?
its just playing games
theres nothing specific about japanese gaming

therefor there's nothing for a particular TV to do especially well when theres nothing that makes japanese gaming unique

Are you faggots asking for the best CRT? Some of the best happen to come from japan just because sony happens to make some of the best CRTs.

tldr stop using the word japanese when it has no relevance to the discussion

also even if there were something unique about japanese gaming, the concept of someone buying a TV specifically for japanese games repulses me

so yes
stop. bumping.

I skimmed it, looked good

You should include consumer CRTs and PC CRTs if you want it to be all encompassing.

>> No.3534967

Also, one thing you never hear people talk about much is, the old apple, ibm, commodore, atari, and amiga monitors. unfortunately i dont know enough about those monitors to write something like that. Also theres not much documentation of people using those with other consoles (aside from the commodore monitors)

>> No.3535142

elaborate pls

>> No.3535205

Playing games in japanese, on a japanese system, on a japanese tv.

>> No.3535207

>nothing that makes japanese gaming unique
>stop using the word
>relevance to discussion
>repulses me

Holy shit, you need to go back to Rddit, pal. You are literally the cancer that is killing 4chan.

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bump. Just started getting into japanese gaming. Bought a Famicom the other day. Shit's gonna be gud.

>> No.3535524

the point was just about video monitors, PVMs, BVMs, and the like. I excluded PC monitors because of their lack of 15khz support.

8/16 bits computer monitors would require another dedicated pasta.

>> No.3535578

Upscaling from 240p to 480i on Component is like going back to Composite, which isn't all that bad and still better than LCDs.

>> No.3535765

Do non-Wega "HD" CRTs (1080i) still have the same retro feel as the big 'ol scanline-y TVs many of us played on as kids? I'm considering getting one on craigslist, but I'm not sure if a big HD CRT is really what I want, or a small CRT monitor, and a proper plasma TV.

>> No.3535819

>>3535765 here
I guess to refine my question, if I like retro gaming and watching TV shows and movies (but don't have access to discs rendered in 4k), am I going to be happier with a 52-inch HDCRT, or a 20-inch SDCRT monitor and a 30-inch curved TV? Mobility is a non-issue.

>> No.3535837

Those 52 inchers are rear projection, heard bad things about them. If you need that size get a plasma

>> No.3535841

Kys weaboo

>> No.3535878

Nigga you dumb. You can adjust the black point on literally every TV ever.

>> No.3535919

>Do non-Wega "HD" CRTs (1080i) still have the same retro feel as the big 'ol scanline-y TVs
Unless it's some special multisync set that we don't know about, no. Retro games only benefit from SD CRTs.

>52-inch HDCRT
Please don't think that rear-projection boxes are CRTs

>> No.3535921

I don't think you understand what he was talking about.

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>> No.3536079

Have some CRTs


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I found this 32 inch CRT on Craigslist.

Does anybody know the model? Is it any good?

>> No.3536662

Ask the seller?

>> No.3536695

I did, its just that I'm too impatient and I wanted to see if some anons had experience with that tv.

>> No.3536701

so even the non rear-projection TVs don't have scanlines? What's the appeal of them, then?

>> No.3536704

this every time

It has a front s-video which is a good sign. I'd grab it as long as it isn't an ed/hd set. Geometry and purity is the most important thing
make sure it's square and colors look right with all display settings at 50%

>> No.3536707

>so even the non rear-projection TVs don't have scanlines?
Many (All?) HD CRT TVs upscale. At the least they do some digital fuckery that adds lag.

>What's the appeal of them, then?
Decent colors and motion quality.

>> No.3536712

>I'd grab it as long as it isn't an ed/hd set.

What's wrong with HD sets?

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Anybody in west Texas/east New Mexico finna sell an HD CRT?

>> No.3536871

They scale 240p, no scanlines and lag. Great for movies an 6th gen+

>> No.3537249

>am I going to be happier with a 52-inch HDCRT, or a 20-inch SDCRT monitor and a 30-inch curved TV?
Why not get both an HDCRT and an SDCRT?
If you are going to go RP, look into the Mitsubishi.

>has three cathode ray tubes
>not a crt

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