/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3497916]

Is Chrono Cross the perfect example of an excellent game that was a poor sequel?

[Anonymous No.3497920]

[Anonymous No.3497927]

Zelda II

[Anonymous No.3497958]

>>3497916
every year that goes by we have more and more. the majority of post 2008 sequels are probably worse than the transition from trigger to cross

since this is vr I'd say zelda ii or castlevania ii are pretty quintessential.

the entire wii catalogue, including smash brawl displays the same pattern

[Anonymous No.3497985]

>>3497916
no. Its the dreadful marriage of brilliant music and shitty graphics.

[Anonymous No.3498375]

>>3497985
>shitty graphics.
Are you high?

[Anonymous No.3498601]

>>3497916
Dark Cloud 2 maybe?

[Anonymous No.3498637]

>>3497985
>shitty graphics
>I have a baby vocabulary

[Anonymous No.3498639]

>>3498375
Damn that looks good. Did this come out at the ending of the psx library?

[Anonymous No.3498692]

Why is she so perfect?

[Anonymous No.3498730]

>>3498375
Souped emulator screenshots are cheating, anon.

[Anonymous No.3499216]

>>3498692
because you can't have her

[Anonymous No.3499220]

>>3497916
it's a decent game that was a poor sequel

[Anonymous No.3499285]

>>3498692
>I'm in love with serge
>but I can't escape my destiny time to merge into a dragon and try to kill everything

[Anonymous No.3499348]

Cross is what sequels should strive to be. A whole new experience that puts its shoddy prequel into question instead of being a lukewarm self-masturbatory rehash.

[Anonymous No.3499532]

>>3499216
>>3499285

[Anonymous No.3499607]

>>3499348

[Anonymous No.3500020]

thought the element system was kind of a clusterfuck in the end, also only being able to use skills once per battle was kinda stupid, I know you could recharge them, and if you could spam everything the game would be even easier, it just seems arbitrary though

other than that most aspects of the game are pretty good, the combat is otherwise fine and the characters are pretty good and colorful though some lack development.

also the dead sea is one of the coolest places in any video game and certainly one of the coolest if not the coolest place in the chrono games period

[Anonymous No.3500659]

>>3498639
I'd say around that time, definitely the later part. I remember Playstation Magazine stating that by this time we would be arguing about Cross vs. FFIX like Trigger vs. FFVI.

[Anonymous No.3500752]

If anything it was a great sequel that actually complimented the story of Trigger without just being the same with the number 2 on the end

It was a shitty game with bad gameplay and half-baked ideas

[Anonymous No.3501089]

>>3500752
What a bitch

[Anonymous No.3501094]

>>3500752
I hated that you needed to deny kid at every turn to get glenn and leena.

I guess it makes sense in the context of the story, serge maybe wanting to avert the outcome of the dream he had at the start, but still, you have to be a dick to her when all shes tryna do is help senpaitachi

[Anonymous No.3501208]

>>3501094
>Helping Kid gets you Korcha and a swamp dungeon
>Denying her gets you Glenn and a pirate dungeon

It's like they wanted you to let her die.

[Anonymous No.3501281]

>>3501208
>gay islander kid with his dick hanging out vs the second best party member in the game that shits out damage and dual wields holy swords
kid never had a chance

[Anonymous No.3501315]

>>3499607
baka

[Anonymous No.3501445]

>>3501315
Shut up tsundere trash

[Anonymous No.3501618]

>>3499348
>>3499607
>>3501315
>>3501445
>You'll never be this autistic

[Anonymous No.3501626]

>>3501618
>posting pictures is autistic
???

[Anonymous No.3501634]

>>3501618

[Anonymous No.3501638]

>>3501634

[Anonymous No.3502075]

>>3500020
Yeah I never really liked the fact that skills were one time use per battle, especially when I was trying to steal a rare item from an enemy. However, I did like the fact that you could run from every battle, even boss battles, so you could reset that and try again until you got the item.

>>3499216
You can if you cheat and use the time egg.

[Anonymous No.3503905]

>>3497916
>>3500752
It's weird how I feel like both of these statements are true.

Maybe there's more to being a good game than having good game design and more to being a good sequel than giving players more of the same.

Can a game be a good game while having bad gameplay? What makes Chrono Cross a good game? It's graphics? Story? Music? Characters? Pacing? Concept? Something specific to the time of its release? There's got to be something that redeems this as a game.

[Anonymous No.3505251]

>>3501094
This, I get enough of this bullshit from Star Ocean games, for once can I just unlock everything without having to jump through so many hoops?

[Anonymous No.3507410]

>>3505251
god star ocean 2 is shit because of this, and like chrono cross and the choices revolving around kid, the objective best characters in the game to go for are ashton and bowman as opposed to opera and precis, so like why even fucking bother having choices when the choices are so one sided anyway.

I always end up getting opera / precis when I play as claude since you can get the most stacked team in the game with rena and claude / dias / ashton

[Anonymous No.3507416]

Trigger Niggers

[Anonymous No.3507428]

>>3507410
Ever try a Claude/Rena only playthrough? Apparently it really changes the tone of the game

[Anonymous No.3507429]

>>3507416
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.3508913]

Cross is a good game that decided to trample all over Trigger in the most retarded of ways.

Like having Dalton play a role in the Fall of Guardia through making Porre a military power. Crono displays the ability to wipe out anything in his path, yet dies to fucking Dalton?

It also suggests that Lucca never helped her friends out, somehow continued living right where she was and even opened an orphanage, and then just dies to Lynx after opening the path to the Frozen Flame.

And then Robo dying was just the cherry on top. Oh whats that, one of the original crew isn't a ghost child with almost no bearing on the story, and in fact has a role in the plot? Oh well he's dead now.

Like fuck, at least Schala and Magus have some sort of proper place in the story and they couldn't even name Magus proper. It's bullshit.

Cross should have just been it's own game. All the trampling on Trigger could have been avoided, and the plot holes explained in cutscenes with characters from another timeline.

Fuck Cross.

[Anonymous No.3508936]

>>3508913
>Fuck Cross.

[Anonymous No.3508986]

>>3508913
I think the script writer knows better than you what the main characters are capable to do. Just becouse you think a overleveled Chrono represent what the character is capable of doing in the story you obviously new to jrpgs. Keep battle power levels out of the story and realize Chrono was just a kid.

[Anonymous No.3508996]

>>3508986
>defeats lavos who travels through space to devour worlds
>can't defeat a military that is just barely learning gun technology
right

[Anonymous No.3509013]

>>3508996
>can't defeat a military that is just barely learning gun technology
they likely had weaponry like guns, such as the dragon tank which has a lazer. in fact it was probably supplied by lucca or from dalton from a time where better technology exist.

neither of which had the ability to take on lavos

[Anonymous No.3509015]

>>3508986
Except that you never really need to grind in Trigger and can even beat the game without Crono? The main story is like 15 hours long, max.

> Keep battle power levels out of the story and realize Chrono was just a kid.
So is Serge. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.3509279]

>>3509015
his point is to leave gameplay mechanics out of the plot elements, and that anyone, even heroes can die unheroic deaths.

crono beat lavos, so what? he probably still got killed by someone noscoping his ass during the invasion, and so did all his friends so this time no one got revived

[Anonymous No.3509286]

>>3509279
you can't deny "gameplay mechanics" when he knows magic like luminaire which separates him from literally everyone except members of his own party in terms of strength

[Anonymous No.3509293]

>>3509286
Yes you can. This is me denying gameplay mechanics right now. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.3509295]

>>3509293
you're retarded, congrats

[Anonymous No.3509340]

>>3509286
true, his magic makes him strong and I'm sure he had enough hp to take on an invading army anyway :^)

[Anonymous No.3509360]

>>3498639

Yea more or less, I think this came out Nov. 99 on Japan, so, it wasn't THAT late considering the PS1 had games coming out in the early 2000's, came before FF9 IIRC, and that one looked good too, but I liked the Chrono aesthetic a lot more.

[Anonymous No.3509402]

>>3509340
he can attack with lightning from far away, he wouldn't even be taking any damage

[Anonymous No.3509519]

>>3501281
Truer words anon, have never been said.

[Anonymous No.3509523]

>>3509519
Why does Serge look so smug

[Anonymous No.3511656]

Question

Chrono Trigger is a game I hold near and dear to my heart and feel should be left alone as its own thing to never be spoiled by any supporting material. Enough was said.

I should avoid Cross right?

[Anonymous No.3511704]

>>3511656
No, play it. People shit on it, but it's good for what it is. There are a lot of characters in the game and it can seem overwhelming, but that really only matters if your a completionist. It takes 3 playthroughs to get them all and I think there are more endings than that. The story is fun and most of the characters have good background stories.

Also, the soundtrack is by far my favorite of any game. I listen to it often to this day and am still blown away by how good it is.

[Anonymous No.3511706]

>>3511704

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's set in some kind of parallel universe to Trigger right?

[Anonymous No.3511718]

>>3511706
The last time I played through it was maybe 5 years ago, so I'm a little rusty on the story.

It is pretty much a parallel world story. There are references to Trigger, but not many. A lot of them are pretty subtle, with the exception of the ending and stuff that happens in the Dead Sea.

[Anonymous No.3511723]

>>3508913
Trigger's magic actually came from Lavos. Once they defeated Lavos, their powers faded. That's how they were defeated by tecnology.

[Anonymous No.3511851]

>>3511656
If you really love Trigger that much you're probably going to hate Cross

[Anonymous No.3511896]

>>3511656
Cross IMO is a good game, gameplay wise, and the story mostly has to do with parallel dimensions as opposed to time travel.

The jist is, that at the end of chrono trigger with the defeat of lavos, certain things are altered and that reality turns into the keystone dimension. The events in chrono cross split the keystone dimension because serge dying but not dying creates a paradox. So yeah it kinda shits on trigger but not really.

The references to trigger in the game itself are few and far between except for some very specific areas like the dead sea and the final boss, and the references that are there throughout other parts of the story deal with the future of chrono triggers keystone timeline as opposed to the actual events you experienced in trigger for the most part.

I guess that's the best way I can put it, its convoluted but cross is kind of a clusterfuck itself, so..

Gameplay wise I love chrono cross but some people don't like the element system or the saga like random stat gains that are still tied to your star level, so min/maxing properly is sort of a chore I guess.

[Anonymous No.3511912]

I'm not even trying to be a contrarian faggot here, but I just never seen the appeal of Trigger as one of the best RPGs. I think it was average I suppose, so honestly I thought Cross was better in that I consider it a solid 8-8.5/10 game. So no, I don't think it is a poor sequel.

[Anonymous No.3512103]

>>3511912
Your opinion makes you exactly that. Cross is in no shape or form better than Cross. I'd say maybe music wise, but even there Trigger is a strong contender with it's score.

[Anonymous No.3512106]

>>3512103
>Cross is in no shape or form better than Cross

[Anonymous No.3512135]

>>3503905
It could be that the pacing was atrocious....I remember never finishing the game although I thought that everything was brilliant, graphics, music, story, characters....Must be the first game for which I can't give the usual explanation to why I stopped playing.

[Anonymous No.3512146]

>>3512106
well he's functionally right, you know? Cross *is* Cross, so it can't be better than Cross

[Anonymous No.3512160]

>>3512106
when typos go right

[Anonymous No.3512997]

Why did they retcon magus out of the game, and why did schala not ever at least mention him in the game? This is her beloved brother who spent every ounce of himself trying to find her in trigger, and he gets no mentions at all from her, as if he didn't exist.

It makes even less sense when you consider that trigger DS ties into CC after you beat the optional boss, and shows magus wandering off having lost his memory, so does that mean that it was a retcon of a retcon and that he just became gil and forgot everything?

I don't even know anymore

[Anonymous No.3513003]

>>3512997
>This is her beloved brother who spent every ounce of himself trying to find her in trigger
Yeah HE spent that time doing this, maybe from her perspective he's just a guy that can't decide if he want's to look like a flaming faggot or bleeding edgelord.

[Anonymous No.3513010]

>>3511723
Except it didn't fade away because it was what enabled them to use magic, not that they used it as a wand or something.

Also lavos is not defeated, hence why it starts becoming the time devororer. The frozen flame is a piece of lavos so his presence is never fully removed.

So no, their magic is intact and works just fine even after they defeat lavos.

[Anonymous No.3513016]

>>3509523
cause he's got best boy and best girl at the same time

[Anonymous No.3513017]

>>3513016
>best girl
Where?

[Anonymous No.3513062]

>>3513010
>lavos is not defeated
>after they defeat lavos
he is defeated but his presence in the world is still there, like the frozen flame you pointed out

pretty sure the mammon machine was only collecting energy so the kingdom of zeal could become immortal. once they are touched by the energy lavos gives off under the earth, it enables them to use magic. that's why spekkio is able to teach the party magic, since innately all people have an affinity towards an element but it's only activated by the energy of lavos.

so yea, crono and marle would have been able to use magic, and from far distances. they could easily have taken out the porre army even if they had guns. muh plot advancement is a shitty reason to make it necessary that they die. plus, guardia is still a nation during the events of cross, but they never explain what happens to crono or marle. for all we know, they are back in guardia trying to rebuild shit during cross.

[Anonymous No.3513281]

>>3513010
He starts to become the dream devourer when he merges with lavos. And the entire below world was people who couldnt use magic. Cronos party were descendants of The Kingdom of Zeal, once the kingdom fell the pure magic people bred with the no magic people so not everyone has the magic gene and it explains why Magus can use so much more magic.

[Anonymous No.3513286]

>>3513281
I meant Merges with Schala.

[Anonymous No.3513301]

>this is a dragon

[Anonymous No.3513321]

>>3513281
they couldn't use magic in the below world because they weren't introduced to the energy via the mammon machine. if they had been, then they could've used magic.

[Anonymous No.3513342]

>>3513321
If thats the case why cant Ayla use magic when introduced to Spekkio?

[Anonymous No.3513343]

>>3513342
spekkio doesn't have lavos' energy, he just teaches them how to use it

[Anonymous No.3513349]

>>3513343
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Magic.html

It explains Magic is partly genetic.

[Anonymous No.3513352]

>>3513349
the genetics are manipulated by lavos' energy, it even says in the english version that lavos helped creatures on earth evolve so they could grow stronger, he even influenced technology. ayla grew up in a time before lavos was on earth, so she never came into contact with the energy until after the fact, and spekkio even says (paraphrased) "you are from a time before magic existed" so she's outta luck.

[Anonymous No.3513368]

>>3513352
It also says in the game the below dwellers were down there and not in Zeal because they couldnt use magic. When they "racemixed" it diminished the genes so not everyone can use it. Which explains why Magus can use more magic because hes pure.

[Anonymous No.3513383]

>>3513368
right, and that's fine.

the original discussion on this was that crono and marle are unable to use magic once they defeat lavos, which would show how they could have been killed by the porre army. of course this is false

remember that lavos communicated directly with queen zeal through the mammom machine and corrupted her for thousands of years in order to cultivate a world he could harvest. it's hard to say exactly who was touched by lavos before the time where the gurus construct the machine and zeal is corrupted and wants immortality. however, it is conceivable that anyone touched by lavos' energy could use magic, since that's how the genetic separation happened in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3513397]

>>3513383
I don't see why they wouldn't be able to use magic.

But I think we're forgetting something. The Porre army would be able to use magic and a wide variety of it. Even magic to "seal" other magic. Due to the time crash they colonized El Nido in home world (the only world where you see the "ghosts" of the CT cast), and they discovered elements there. It's clear that anyone can use elements, add to that militaristic organization and even whatever strategic knowledge Dalton may have and it's clear that three/two magic using characters would be severely underpowered facing an entire army of element users.

Also "muh headcannon, the party killed lavos etc" isn't an argument, even in CT when Dalton surrounded them they were overpowered and captured several times.

[Anonymous No.3513401]

>>3513383
Once they killed Lavos, in the extended Chrono Trigger DS they could still use it against the Dream Devourer. Its possible Crono did use magic, but his magic isnt infinite. Hence he died.

[Anonymous No.3513414]

>>3513397
Dalton had knowledge of Magic and advanced Technology. Its safe to assume he taught his army a lot of things that was ahead of the time.

[Anonymous No.3513426]

>>3513414
I think that's likely but we certainly can't know for sure. What we CAN know is that the Porre army used elements, so even if Dalton didn't teach them further magic they were still very well prepared. I don't understand why people can't believe crono couldn't lose if he's facing an ARMY of people using magic one way or another.

[Anonymous No.3513449]

>>3513426
Well he did build those Robots you had to face, and he built the wings on the epoch. He was certainly tech savy. Even the smallest of technology he had his army build would have a huge edge over Guardia.

[Anonymous No.3513453]

>>3513426
it's never stipulated that porre used magic during the fall of guardia. that they find elements after invading el nido is after the fact

>>3513397
dalton is a pure magic user like magus and basically overpowers them. this is before they defeat lavos, so they aren't as strong as they would be during the fall of guardia.

[Anonymous No.3513484]

>>3513453
A partially charged Sunstone was in Porre for a bit of time as well. According to the website above, those coming into contact with the Sunstone COULD unlock magic if the right genetic makeup was there. Who knows how many people came into contact with it at that time, or the radius you would have to be in to unlock said genes.

[Anonymous No.3514073]

>>3513449
Yeah, its funny how he was treated like a useless buffoon, or comic relief type villain and then he comes back and has the last laugh and kills everyone, I think that's what bothered people most, that it was fucking dalton of all people that brought down guardia

[Anonymous No.3514321]

>>3514073
and he didn't even rename porre to be the new kingdom of dalton.

and then he doesn't even show up at all in cross. he has the masamune at some point after killing the last swordsmen on guardia in that ds cutscene, but just loses it?

what the fuck was kato thinking

[Anonymous No.3514330]

>>3514321
Butthurt that other people took his ideas and made something better than he could have.

[Anonymous No.3514415]

>>3514321
Which is why we want a 3rd game to close even more plotholes they left open with the 2nd. Where is Magus, since they removed the Radical Dreamers game as canon and Guile is not Magus?

[Anonymous No.3514427]

>>3514415
now they are saying guile is magus according to the DS version where he ends up in el nido with his memory lost, or it's supposed to be el nido, but it looks like guardia forest instead

[Anonymous No.3514685]

>>3497916
>>3500752
>>3499348
>>3503905
>>3508913
>>3511706
>>3511896
>>3512997
>>3514415
>>3514427

It's actually the third in a series, believe it or not.
I'm not being pedantic against the verbiage 'sequel' merely pointing out that they made a whole game that apparently explained why Shala became a cockney urchin and I think explains how she went to save drowning silent hero.
It may or may not explain other things such as Glenn being frogs babby, ayla being leahs babby, or magus/janus/magil/faggil turning into guile.

I never played the game of which I'm speaking, but there could be tons of japanese fans who caught it and thusly understand alot of the more seemingly derivative or half-baked characters/backstory

[Anonymous No.3514707]

>>3514685
Except Kato already came out and said they intended Magus to be Guile, but later ditched the idea. So where is Magus?

[Anonymous No.3514726]

>>3514685
everyone knows about radical dreamers

[Anonymous No.3514972]

>>3514685
radical dreamers is canon, it just takes place in an alternate timeline now, since it was only half a game anyway, it wouldn't make any sense for radical dreamers to be canon over chrono cross as it pertains to the keystone dimension

[Anonymous No.3515427]

>>3514972
Kato stated that RD is not canon anymore. They ditched most of what RD explained as far as Magus and other parts to tie Trigger to Cross. They instead expanded the DS version to explain fucking Dalton and such

[Anonymous No.3515491]

>>3508913
Cross is Cross, not Trigger 2. If you are a fan who would have preferred another game about Chrono and Marle (both starting back at level one, of course) traveling through time to save the world from some other cosmic threat, be my guest.

The series is all about choice and consequence, Cross took it to it's logical conclusion. Trigger is a fairly tale; a boyhood dream. Cross is a bittersweet dose of reality. There is no THE END in the world. Your actions can cause things to happen that you don't want.

But if you prefer some manchild dream being invincible hero beating up everyone and never having any uncomfortable situations happen to them then fine

[Anonymous No.3515519]

Cross is pretentious, clunky garbage.

Trigger is actually fun to play, for a JRPG.

[Anonymous No.3515596]

>>3515491
except it is "trigger 2"

just because you like cross more doesn't make it a good sequel. everything that happen in cross could have had a better explaination to tie it into trigger, but kato decided to be a hack and just shovel the trigger party aside.

>if you prefer some manchild dream being invincible hero beating up everyone and never having any uncomfortable situations happen to them then fine
no one stated this except you, fuck off

[Anonymous No.3515635]

>>3515596
>everything that happen in cross could have had a better explaination to tie it into trigger, but kato decided to be a hack and just shovel the trigger party aside.
Why do you act as if the only way to have something tied to Trigger is by having the exact same cast? Every single event and antagonist in Cross is deeply rooted in Trigger to the extent that all the bad guys have their origin in Trigger. Not having Crono and Marle doesn't change this at all, besides the entire backstory of the female protagonist is tied to two Trigger characters. Even if she's off screen Lucca has ten times as much depth in her letter in Cross than in the whole of Trigger.

[Anonymous No.3515658]

>>3499348
>Cross is what sequels should strive to be
A steaming pile of shit? Because that's what most of them already are.

[Anonymous No.3515668]

>>3515658
What an insightful post

[Anonymous No.3515673]

I keep trying to get myself to replay Cross because I know it's a pretty good game, even if it can't live up to it's predecessor. I just can't though. I'm really not a fan of the battle system, the story (as far as I can remember) is kinda all over the place, but what really gets to me is the playable characters.

In Trigger, you have this really iconic JRPG party. It's this small, tightly knit group where everyone has there own place in the party and everyone has chemistry with everyone else. The characters are all wildly different, and they all have a whole host of unique abilites. They all have backstories, they all have characters that develop as the game goes along. And then you play Cross and the change is just so bizzarre. You can recruit a metric fuckton of people into your party. But only a small handful of them are explored as characters or have any importance to the story. Most of the characters are just really one dimensional and pointless and it leaves you feeling hollow from an emotional point of view if you keep them on your team. And, because of how the battle system works, there's really not that much in the way of differences from one character to another when it comes to their abilities either.

Pic related, one of the many, many throwaway characters in this game.

[Anonymous No.3515674]

>>3511656
>I should avoid Cross right?
Like the fucking plague.

[Anonymous No.3515695]

>>3515668
Avatarfagging is against the rules, you know.

[Anonymous No.3515709]

>>3497916
no, its the perfect example of brilliant music coupled with shitty graphics, ASK ME AGAIN NEXT WEEK!

[Anonymous No.3515748]

>>3497916
It worked for me.
Do you want me to send you the fix?

[Anonymous No.3515756]

>>3511851
>>3515674
>>3515491
Fucking stop it with this meme.

Chrono Cross isn't some secret club that fans of Trigger are excluded from. It's possible to enjoy both

Let people play it and decide for themselves. Stop trying to de-associate yourselves from fans of a game that just so happen to have a bad reputation on this board.

Christ you faggots are so pretentious. You are what's wrong with this board.

t. Chrono Cross fan

[Anonymous No.3515757]

>>3515635
>Why do you act as if the only way to have something tied to Trigger is by having the exact same cast?
no one said this, please reread the thread

[Anonymous No.3515761]

>>3515756
It's not a meme. Cross is nowhere near as popular as Trigger despite being a lot of people's introduction to the franchise for a very good reason. It's the kind of game you can really only find impressive if it's your introduction to JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.3515802]

>>3515761
What's that got to do with anything in my post? I think Cross is objectively better than Trigger by a considerable amount. My question is why are people telling others to not avoid playing it? If anything, playing it will open up people to how a truly great JRPG is designed, and will bring light as to why Trigger is only entry level. So what if they think Chrono Trigger is the greatest game in the genre? My point is that if they play it, they'll change there minds and think "oh shit this really is the better game".

[Anonymous No.3515817]

>>3498637
Let me try to explain it to you in a slightly more colorful language and satisfy your taste for detailed explanations then. It appears as if a mysterious person and/or animal defecated right onto the game's visual aspects, then proceeded to let the feces dry in the merciless, burning heat of the evening sun, only to afterwards sand the crusted remains half down, to bestow upon said game a quite faded yet grimy appearance.

[Anonymous No.3515823]

>>3515802
Because if you love Trigger, you most likely will hate what Cross does to Trigger's cast and setting. It takes a clean ending and ruins it for no purpose other than to give new characters something to do, which is the average for bad sequels all around.

[Anonymous No.3515857]

>>3497916
no one would be complaining if it had akira toriyama's art
that man's art alone managed to convince countless people that dragon quest games are worth playing

[Anonymous No.3515864]

>>3515817
Everything in this universe is better than Toriyamas designs DBdrone.

[Anonymous No.3515875]

>>3515761
it was very pretty though for its time. so colorful with the handpainted backgrounds. and i remember the songs in it by heart, to this day. the soundtrack was masterfully recorded and applied in-game. you are right, i was a kid when i played it first. but the last time i replayed it as an adult, i immediately noticed these very same features. there were few ps1 games that had this level of art direction. it is one of a kind in that respect.

[Anonymous No.3515890]

>>3515823
I loved Trigger. I later played Cross and realized it was the better game, and I didn't like Trigger that much anymore. Although, I didn't like it initially, I gave it a chance and it's now one of my favorite games. I think it's important to note that I didn't even like Trigger the first time I played it either, so who am I to judge what I will end up liking?

My point is that even if you may not like (or think you like) a game when you first play it, give it a chance instead of jumping to conclusions with your opinion on it. It takes time to understand and fully appreciate a game. That's why I encourage people to take time to form there opinions, as it's the only way to truly refine your tastes in games and find the ones that you will enjoy the most.

[Anonymous No.3515908]

>>3515857
>>3515864

[Anonymous No.3515926]

>>3515908
>that retarded dual-bladed sword

Not even Toriyama can save Cross' shitty character designs.

[Anonymous No.3515929]

>>3515890
>I loved Trigger. I later played Cross and realized it was the better game, and I didn't like Trigger that much anymore.
Really thinly veiled trolling, better luck next time.

[Anonymous No.3515946]

LMAO it's always the stunted manchildren who bitch about Cross. How telling. Also fuck Toriyama and his sameface garbage.

[Anonymous No.3515957]

>>3515946
LMAO it's always the arrogant pseudo-intellectuals who bitch about Trigger. How telling. Also fuck Masato Kato and his retardedly convoluted stories.

[Anonymous No.3515976]

>>3515802
>oh shit this really is the better game
you can't respect Cross as a good game if you like Trigger because of what Cross does to the Trigger cast and how it treats the story. the disconnect between the two games isn't in gameplay or aesthetic, because both games are great in those areas. it's the way Kato decided to flip-flopped on Radical Dreamers canon and ruin the connection you had to Trigger in the process. he was terribly shortsighted. for example, he thought keeping Magus as a playable character in Cross as Guile would mean players would only ever use him and not explore other cast. the fuck?

course if you didn't play Trigger then you didn't give a fuck about anything in that game because Cross only needed the Chrono name in order to sell. most of the experiences the cast in Cross had could have been explained similarly without needing Trigger at all. if you went into Cross as a Trigger player looking to expand or find closure in Cross, you were simply disappointed.

[Anonymous No.3515979]

>>3515817
>2/10 made me respond
Cross is easily top ten in the graphics department of PS1 games.
>>3515890
>keep giving a shitty game chances and eventually you will like it
The game is so flawed in its execution I dont even have the time to type it all up
>too many characters to care about
>convoluted story that is 2 deep for any sane person to understand. A fucking god computer? Magic? Dragons? WHY?
>mechanics are not fun
>is the spell trap system supposed to encourage replay?
>encounters relying on specific characters in your party with no indication and have few reasons to find them
>even the dev team commented on how they shoe horned in characters from the original and how divided the writers were.

There are worse games out there but goddamn its not that good.

[Anonymous No.3516018]

Who is more cancerous, Trigger fanboys or DS1 fanboys? Both love a shitty game, both are mad at its superior sequel and both are utterly wrong about everything.

[Anonymous No.3516026]

>>3516018
sick bait bro haha

[Anonymous No.3516031]

>>3516018
Crosshitters are far more cancerous than Triggerbros.

[Anonymous No.3516046]

>>3515979
If it was a complete stand alone game i dont think it would catch AS much shit as it does. But since they didnt connect the game to Trigger until the end, rushed in some ghosts and HA SEE it is a sequel! Thats what makes the game bad. People still like Valkyrie Profile and Suikoden even though they have some pretty bland worthless characters in it.

[Anonymous No.3516047]

I think the worst part of Cross is the fanbase. Bad sequels are the norm with few exceptions, nothing new there. People desperately trying to defend them because they started playing at that point is just bad, though.

I mean, can you imagine someone seriously trying to say Pokemon Gen III is better than II?

[Anonymous No.3516054]

>>3516047
But Cross is a superior game and an even better sequel. Most sequels are just rehashed garbage, Cross is groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.3516060]

>>3516054
Alright, I'll bite. What exactly is groundbreaking about CC?

[Anonymous No.3516078]

>>3516054
>Cross is groundbreaking.
It stole 90% of its new mechanics and design from SaGa games and somehow made them shit.
I agree that Cross is the better game but it's not a groundbreaking game at all.

[Anonymous No.3516079]

>>3515926
>where are my generic katanas!!?
>>3516054
>Cross is groundbreaking
Now that's just outright wrong. I don't hate the game but it's by no means a masterpiece

The butthurt it generates is absolutely hilarious though

[Anonymous No.3516082]

>>3516079
yea being autistic sure is fun

[Anonymous No.3516107]

>>3516082
Why are you so upset anon

[Anonymous No.3516112]

>>3516107
i'm not, i'm havin fun being an autist and talkin bout how great cross is

[Anonymous No.3516142]

>>3508913
I like how nobody is able to answer his question. It is fucking simple: Why did they have to take the story direction to that of erasing the previous storyline and characters in a senesless fashion?

Perhaps the writer did not like the original and tried to force us into liking the new characters and storyline. Whatever the reason, it doesn't matter because the writer failed ultimately, and the series is dead for 10+ years.

[Anonymous No.3516163]

>>3516142
>senesless fashion
Because with time travel everything becomes senseless. You can't make a good and engaging plot when everyone can time travel. What's the point of the whole story when you could erase everything easily as Cross proved. You were always a slave to a cheap and bad story and expected something good out of it when in fact it never was good.

[Anonymous No.3516168]

>>3516142
>I want every sequel to be a 100% clone of the original

[Anonymous No.3516172]

SerGAY

[Anonymous No.3516180]

>>3516172
>tfw no qt Leena gf

[Anonymous No.3516183]

>>3516180
>Leena
Abysmally awful taste

[Anonymous No.3516189]

>>3516183
Fuck you you just jelly I could have TWO qt Leena's

[Anonymous No.3516190]

>>3516183
>>3516180

Harle >>>> Kid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Leena

[Anonymous No.3516194]

>>3516190
>his waifu has to put disgusting makeup to not look like a irish prostitute

[Anonymous No.3516205]

>>3516190
reported for avatarfagging as as a shitty french clown

[Anonymous No.3516210]

>>3516194
>generic childhood friend

[Anonymous No.3516215]

>>3516210
>desperately seeking attention by picking a deformed clown.

[Anonymous No.3516225]

>>3515890
Wow, someone gave a genuine opinion without using buzzwords and the only two responses he got were people getting upset with him. How sad.

[Anonymous No.3516226]

>>3516215
There's nothing deformed about her

[Anonymous No.3516227]

>>3516142
>Perhaps the writer did not like the original
i get the feeling that with all the trouble they had establishing canon in radical dreamers that Kato was rushed into finishing rather than taking the time to create something solid, like what happened to Magus.

>>3516163
fuck off

>>3516168
you keep baiting this and it still isn't true

[Anonymous No.3516231]

>>3516227
>fuck off
Great argument. I bet you think it's perfectly logical that 14 year old children topple empires and kill monsters that were too strong for the whole world military too. When the game for one moment became somewhat realistic(Chrono and his faggy bunch dying like they should) and stopped treating everyone in the world as inferior beings to the protagonists you say it's bad writing.

[Anonymous No.3516232]

>>3516231
there is no argument to be made, you didn't make any points except that you think it's a bad story, so fuck off

[Anonymous No.3516238]

>>3516232
The only bad things about Cross is that it's unfortunately tied to the autistic fanbase you represent and that it's too easy thus not allowing for the full utilization of the color/field battle system. Besides that it's great fun.

[Anonymous No.3516247]

>>3516238
>the only bad thing about corss is it's tie to trigger
yea so you agree that it should have been it's own game, a separate universe from trigger

wow that was hard for you, wasn't it? you can still fuck off

[Anonymous No.3516253]

Chrono Cross is an excellent game that is, in fact, better than Chrono Trigger.
It is also an adequate sequel once you grasp the full pattern of the plot, but due to awkward story telling this full pattern doesn't become clear until the last 5% of the game.

[Anonymous No.3516254]

>>3516247
Not him, but it should have just been its own game like Final Fantasy does, or it should have been Chrono Trigger 2 with a expanded world and some of the old cast.

[Anonymous No.3516369]

>>3515979
>too many characters to care about
You don't have to care about them, just play with the ones you like. They're simply put in place so you have more options.
>convoluted story that is 2 deep for any sane person to understand. A fucking god computer? Magic? Dragons? WHY?
Yeah, the story may be all over the place. Take what you can out of it and don't worry about it making complete sense. I don't think it can affect gameplay that drastically.
>mechanics are not fun
Subjective. Just because you don't enjoy them doesn't mean they're broken. As unconventional as they are, I believe it's one of the game's stronger attributes.
>is the spell trap system supposed to encourage replay?
Not necessarily. I think it mainly encourages you to not limit yourself to only finding elements through purchasing/finding them in dungeons.
>encounters relying on specific characters in your party with no indication and have few reasons to find them
I don't think I understand what you're getting at. Are you saying there's no point in wild encounters so you avoid them entirely? It's commonplace with any RPG to face encounters even though you can avoid them. That's how you develop proper experience.
>even the dev team commented on how they shoe horned in characters from the original and how divided the writers were
So? Sure, that explains why the story is messy, and why they felt the need to tie the game in with Trigger (probably to appease the fans who couldn't accept the game is meant to be a complete departure from its predecessors)
None of that matters because the game can still stands strong despite those flaws, and it does a damn good job at that.

[Anonymous No.3516373]

>>3515929
It's true. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's how I grew to like it. I gave it a chance because despite not liking it, I knew it had battle mechanics that had greater depth, better music, better writing (even though the story itself may be convoluted), greater amount of content and overall a more expansive, fully-realized game.

I didn't appreciate it at first, but I kept playing until I could, and that's why I encourage others to do the same. You won't regret it.

[Anonymous No.3516420]

I legitimately love Chrono Cross. I love its plot, wayward though the way it is told. It makes perfect sense once you get through the knot of parallel dimensions. I love its interesting setting, and I actually like the tie-ins to Chrono Trigger.
I suppose I understand why people feel affronted at CT's cast being killed off or given small roles, but they were never invincible and honestly not very interesting, so it didn't bother me at all.

[Anonymous No.3516439]

>>3516369
>probably to appease the fans who couldn't accept the game is meant to be a complete departure from its predecessors

It's funny how nobody ever complains that Parasite Eve or Brave Fencer Musashi were complete departures from Chrono Trigger. Maybe that's because Square didn't explicitly bill them as Chrono Trigger sequels, eh?

[Anonymous No.3516463]

>>3516369
>why they felt the need to tie the game in with Trigger (probably to appease the fans who couldn't accept the game is meant to be a complete departure from its predecessors)
Chrono Cross doesn't work without Chrono Trigger. After all, CC is basically a remake of Radical Dreamers, which was a more direct sequel to Chrono Trigger. Still, CC's plot is wholly rooted in CT, with Belthasar, Zeal's Guru of Reason, being the primary manipulator of everything going on. It wasn't some last-minute tacked-on decision.
It may be convoluted, but it does make complete sense if you lay it out end to end.

[Anonymous No.3516495]

>>3515979
It could be the best looking psx game, but it comes back to the eternal argument of "if the best game on a systems is shitty, does that make it a 10/10 because everything it's compared to is not as good as it?"

[Anonymous No.3516510]

>>3516495
Compare only to its peers, jackass. Otherwise everything that isn't modern AAA games has terribad graphics.

[Anonymous No.3516526]

Why can't people just like both?

[Anonymous No.3516553]

>>3516510
Chrono Trigger has good graphics.

[Anonymous No.3516557]

That battle music in CC is making it really hard to replay it right now. Wish there was some mod where I could swap out the song.

[Anonymous No.3516590]

>>3498639
The emulator is cleaning that up a lot. The actual fight has the same jumpy textures as PS1 is known for, as well as the typical low res.

[Anonymous No.3516605]

>>3516553
Compared to SNES era, sure. Thus, compare like to like.
Compared to something modern it looks like garbage.

[Anonymous No.3516729]

>>3516605
Are you mentally fucking challenged? Jesus Christ, I lurk and read stupid shit all the time here but goddamn you took the fucking cake, chef, and entire bakery today.

[Anonymous No.3516731]

>>3516557
>he doesn't like gale

[Anonymous No.3516752]

>>3516526
because Cross is shit

[Anonymous No.3516778]

>>3516729
Trite mockery is not an argument, anonymous. CT does not look good by modern standards of 2D games. If you are saying it should not be compared to modern 2D games, then you are making my argument for me.

[Anonymous No.3516779]

>>3516778
Shit I love that game

[Anonymous No.3516808]

>>3516778
odin sphere isn't modern lol its like 10 years old, modern 2D games are indie pixel shit that look WAY worse than CT, but go ahead and cherry pick 10 year old vanillaware games, literally the only company that does 2D that beautiful

[Anonymous No.3516823]

>>3516808
Even mobage are more beautiful than CT's primitive spritework.

[Anonymous No.3516827]

>>3516808
I dunno, Dust was a really beautiful game.

[Anonymous No.3516831]

>>3516808
BlazBlue. I think Ori and the Blind Forest used a 2D world and 3D characters.

[Anonymous No.3516895]

>>3516823
yeah budget flash tier shit looks better than chrono triggers pixelart

[Anonymous No.3517071]

>>3515946
wow, where can I find this translated?

[Anonymous No.3517113]

>>3498375
Wow is that Bjork's latest video?

[Anonymous No.3517124]

>>3516778
That doesn't look "better" than Chrono Trigger. It is indistinct and busy. It just looks "different". The height of 2d graphics was the late 90s/early 2000s anyhow. Mostly in the fighting game genre. They really don't make them like they used to because its hard.

Original anon you were responding to, by the way.

[Anonymous No.3517136]

>>3516254
>>3516247

Or you could you know, just play it as it's own game where some characters and concepts come from previous games in the series like in Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.3517173]

>>3516731
right? the song is great. really cool way to use 9/8 as a time signature. very bartok

[Anonymous No.3517356]

>>3517173
>9/8
As in a compound of 4/4 and 5/4, or more like a swung waltz?

[Anonymous No.3517832]

>>3517124
>trying to evade into artistic buzzwords just to say opinions are opinions
Actually, Odin Sphere's artwork is clean, beautiful, and striking. It's "busy" because that is a battleground, with enemies to fight, not some cutscene. It is not "indistinct". Everything is readily clear as to what is what. Detail is high, colors are vibrant, shading is clear.
Objectively, its artistic quality is far higher. It is much more complex, and if you like CT's very archaic spritework more, that is an issue with your nostalgia-drowned tastes being unable to accept anything being better than what you liked as a kid.

[Anonymous No.3517840]

>>3517832
lol you use nostalgia as a buzzword in your argument when your talking about a 10 year old game yourself

[Anonymous No.3517842]

>>3516831
Dragon's Crown has some of the best 2D art in gaming history

[Anonymous No.3517884]

>>3517842
Everything is so distinct that it needs a mini-map with character and enemy models shown in white outline, apparently.

We get it, you were 10 in 2006 and that's was your first RPG.

[Anonymous No.3517886]

>>3517842
It's not real 2D sprites as you'd expect OS and DC are closer to flash animations than to Vanillawares previous games like Princess Crown

[Anonymous No.3517889]

>>3517356
neither its complex
2+2+2+3 as far as i can tell. same grouping as that one dave brubeck song too

[Anonymous No.3517894]

>>3517889
or maybe thats what you meant by compound of 4/4 and 5/4. sorry im a bit out of touch with the lingo. just listen to the snare hits in the song. they are on all of the weak beats in the measure. and dont get thrown off by the melody which is polyrhythmic as fuck

[Anonymous No.3518116]

>>3517889
Fair enough, I've never actually heard it, just wondering.

The only Dave Brubeck tunes I've heard are Take Five (5/4) and Unsquare Dance (7/4) so that's lost on me too.

[Anonymous No.3518218]

>>3517884
>Everything is so distinct that it needs a mini-map with character and enemy models shown in white outline, apparently.
Nigga things go off the screen and that's your only means of tracking them. It's not for things on the screen.

>>3517840
There's nothing nostalgic about Odin Sphere's art which still holds up today. Thus, the point.

[Anonymous No.3518313]

>>3517889
>>3518116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9GgmGLPbWU

[Anonymous No.3518324]

>>3518218
There's nothing nostalgic about Chrono Trigger's art which still holds up today.

[Anonymous No.3518342]

>>3508913
>>3508986
>>3508996
>>3508996
>>3509013

>Crono and Marle
>Dead

You guys are crazy.

When Dalton came from bumfuck to mess shit up in the present (which shouldn't be possible since the entity that opened the portals had closed them after lavos' death) the gang realized their work wasn't done yet. Some shit still remained since Dalton traveled through time.

But wait, everyone had already gone back to their time. So, instead of risking other changes to a good timeline, only Crono Marle Lucca and Magus went on this new journey.

Fuck Guardia. The gang never really cared for crowns or riches. So they just left Dalton think they won so he wouldn't be a nuisance anymore.

Lucca discovered Kidd (Schala) and she helped Gaspar in his gambit by raising her and doing the things you saw she doing in Cross.

Magus couldn't save the version of Schala in the Dream Devourer, so he erased his memories and became Guile.

Crono and Marle went on to me the leading characters in Chrono Break, a game that never saw the light of day and would complete the trilogy, correcting every pretensious and over elaborated plot element from Cross.

Source: I am high.

[Anonymous No.3518381]

>>3518342
Idk how well cross sold being a later release on psx
But I feel like chrono break would sell like hotcakes if they made it today
Seeing as all those greatest games list put CT up prett high

[Anonymous No.3518404]

Cross is GOAT and harle is best girl

[Anonymous No.3518470]

>>3518324
>There's nothing nostalgic about Chrono Trigger's art which still holds up today.
Except its blocky, garish, often forgettable, and you have made no arguments in its favor you evasive fuck.

[Anonymous No.3518587]

>>3518313
yup that one. the first part of the riff is the same count 2+2+2+3. the melody in the battle theme is way more complicated and interesting though. and thats saying something

[Anonymous No.3518616]

>>3518342
magus didn't erase his own memory, schala erased it, not wanting him to dedicate his life to something he couldn't obtain, its shown after the fight with the dream devourer that she used what little control she had left to save everyone and then erase her bros memory

which is stupid as hell, and even if they did this asspull to try and explain guile in cross even after they retconned him being magus originally, its still stupid that schala never mentions her brother in cross at all

[Anonymous No.3518640]

>>3518616
>its still stupid that schala never mentions her brother in cross at all
Because
A) Guile isn't Magus in CC
B) She could've jogged Magus' memory if she'd brought it up

[Anonymous No.3518682]

>>3518404
Can't argue with facts

[Anonymous No.3520450]

>>3518640
it should have just stayed retconned, cause attempting to explain it after the fact in the DS version just makes it more of a mess really

[Anonymous No.3520461]

>>3497916
Everything Trigger did, Cross did better. You can't help that a CD can hold better quality music, better graphics, better animations. Even IF a good game wasn't determined by how good the gameplay is (but it totally is), Cross just has a more interesting battle system. I especially like how you can't really grind enemies, you only get level ups from bosses.

Trigger was alright when it came out, but I don't see why the dumb story is so popular. Maybe it's because I actually read books when I was younger so I wasn't impressed by everything handed to me

[Anonymous No.3520462]

>>3520461
And I forgot to add, it's not bad that a sequel is better. It's what they SHOULD be. You can say you don't like the story, or the characters, or that it's confusing, but that doesn't mean it's a worse RPG.

[Anonymous No.3520484]

>>3520461
well you do grind regular enemies for level ups, its just that star level increases your "cap" so to speak

[Anonymous No.3522304]

>>3518342
all that shit is stipulation and the whereabouts of crono and marle are unknown. it's probable that they died during the fall of guardia because of the "lone swordsmen" wielding the masamune which dalton kills at the end, signifying the fall of guardia. kato doesn't say it's frog or crono or anything, so if this dude's the last guy left, where the fuck are they?

either they are dead, or were indisposed so they couldn't help guardia. crono was the prince, his mother and cat likely perished in the attack. pretty fucked up that lucca seemingly doesn't help at all

[Anonymous No.3522513]

>>3522304
it certainly wasn't frog wielding the masamune, he went back to his time and probably died a natural death and the masamune was passed down, I'm assuming the sword was given to the guardia lineage and it may have been just an unknown but perhaps renowned swordsman that handled it during the fall of guardia

It could have been crono I suppose but I doubt it, medieval great swords weren't exactly his thing in CT

[Anonymous No.3523416]

>>3522513
Crono was prince of Guardia, pretty sure they would have noticed if it was him brandishing the Masamune at the end. It's not that he isn't a capable swordsmen, he's just too important a character not to be recognized.

Kato seems to love asspulls so maybe it's fucking Tata dying at the end

[Anonymous No.3523537]

>>3516142
>Why did they have to take the story direction to that of erasing the previous storyline and characters in a senesless fashion?

Because no matter what you do or how important you may be, one day you will be forgotten sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.3523547]

We really do not know the circumstances of Crono's and Marle's deaths. For all we know Dalton could have swallowed what pride he had left by that point and had them assassinated, in any number of ways, while they slept.

[Anonymous No.3523557]

>>3512997
Unless I'm not remembering a scene in Trigger that addresses this, I believe Schala had no way of knowing that Magus was a grown up Janus. I would imagine that during Magus' time in Zeal as the Prophet he would have kept his face covered to prevent people from noticing any resemblance between him and the royal family, hence the hood and cloak. The only time she would have had a chance to see his face was a very brief moment during the incident at the Ocean Palace and with everything going on she couldn't just stop to take a moment to see if anyone happened to look like her little brother who was already there.

[Anonymous No.3523568]

>>3513426
Didn't the Porre Army also have shit like Grobyc and the tech needed to make him floating about? They got a lot more than just guns and elements.

[Anonymous No.3523572]

>>3514321
>he has the masamune at some point after killing the last swordsmen on guardia in that ds cutscene, but just loses it?

>"Oh hey, neat swo-Fuck, it's cursed"
>"I ain't using this."
>"Quarantine it on an island somewhere, not having cursed shit floating around my army."

[Anonymous No.3523575]

>>3514415
>since they removed the Radical Dreamers game as canon

Actually it is canon, it's just a third dimension running parallel to Home World and Another World in Cross.

[Anonymous No.3523580]

I really don't like the idea that if you like Trigger than you won't like Cross because of what happens to the Trigger cast. You know just because you're some hero or whatever doesn't make you immune to bad shit happening. That's life.

[Anonymous No.3523939]

>>3523580
what happens to triggers cast is inconsequential since its a shitty time travel story anyway, its literally a narrative device for anything can happen and still be undone

don't get me wrong, I love CT and CC, but lets be honest here, the story essentially has no weight cause they can do w/e they want cause time travel lol

[Anonymous No.3523941]

[Anonymous No.3524170]

>>3515673
This was my big problem of the game. The characters were for the most part not tactically dissimilar enough that it really mattered who you picked and so many were just garbage characters. I really wish they had spent more time making the important characters unique and fleshing out the story. I had fun playing Chrono Cross, but it just doesn't have anything to make me want to come back and play it again.

[Anonymous No.3524172]

>>3523939
Time Devourer couldn't be dealt with by time travel since it was going to eat all possible timelines and presided outside of time.
That's literally the entire purpose of CC's plot, since Balthasar needed to make a Chrono Cross to rip a hole in time and blow the Time Devourer apart.
Everything you do in Chrono Cross (the game) culminates in creating the Chrono Cross (the artifact). Lynx, FATE, two dimensions, Kid, etc. it's all a web of cause and effect woven by Balthasar since he needed to make two Dragon Tears exist (and it's a truly unique item), and both of them shatter into the shards of Hate and Love, and then smash them together with ancient dragonian magic. It really isn't easy to make a Chrono Cross.

[Anonymous No.3525058]

I don't get harles end, because she couldn't have serge she decided fuck it ima just merge into the dragon god anyway? Or was it more along the lines of she couldn't and was bound by her purpose, but if thats the case why did she try to stop serge so much from fulfilling his destiny

[Anonymous No.3525557]

why is doreen only seen a few times in zeal in trigger, and then basically vanishes entirely until cross?

[Anonymous No.3525604]

>>3525058
I always thought she had no choice but to follow the dragons even if she didn't want to

[Anonymous No.3525823]

>>3525604
This
Isn't Harle still a machine?

[Anonymous No.3525856]

>>3525823
a sexy machine

[Anonymous No.3525945]

>>3515817
CC has the best 3D graphics of any PS1 JRPG. Sadly the PS1 was shit at 3D graphics. It also has the best pre-rendered backgrounds, which was another terrible idea.

CT still looks good today (although it's not the best looking JRPG on the SNES).