/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3495958]

is our hobby becoming too expensive? Would you have to be a trust fund baby to "retro gaming"?

[Anonymous No.3495970]

Maybe. With certain consoles, like the Saturn, it's wiser to invest in one game per year or just emulate the games you want.

[Anonymous No.3495978]

If you're just getting into collecting, then yes, you do.

Nerds have a lot of disposable income and don't mind blowing it on a few CDs and a case.

[Anonymous No.3496000]

Not if you learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.3496006]

Yes.

If you started collecting after 2008 you're an idiot. Taking the NES as an example, the people who have large collections did it when games went for maybe $1 each. You CANNOT find those prices today. You'll be paying $25-$50 for a single game if it's decently sought after and in good condition, no matter how common it is.

Do yourself a favor and get a flashcart, modchip, or whatever else.


That said, if you really want to build a collection of something, working Atari 2600 consoles and games are still cheap as fuck.

[Anonymous No.3496007]

>>3495958
it's not "too" expensive for me but it's a shame I can't build up a library quicker. however I find it fun to collect thousands of dollars of cardboard and paper.

[Anonymous No.3496023]

>>3496007
>however I find it fun to collect thousands of dollars of cardboard and paper
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.3496026]

Just a bit

[Anonymous No.3496716]

>>3496000
This, tbqh. Most Japanese games are cheap and easy to get a hold of. You'd also have the benefit of playing them in their original language without removed content or censoring.

[Anonymous No.3496730]

>>3495958
No, but it's getting harder to find things at a good price. If you're a baby you would indeed need a trust fund. If your an adult you can drive yourself to flea markets.

>>3495970
It's wiser to invest in a AR

[Anonymous No.3496785]

>>3495958
Gaming is super cheap if you're in to 6th gen. But we can't talk about that here.

[Anonymous No.3496792]

>>3496785
>Gaming is super cheap if you're in to 6th gen
Not if you like GameCube.

And PS2 games are starting to get expensive (the more niche genres like jRPGS, Shmups, Rhythm games). Xbox is still relatively cheap.

[Anonymous No.3496807]

I'll be really surprised if these games are worth much 20 years from now. Especially the disc based stuff.

[Anonymous No.3496818]

>>3496026
At least that one is honest. Most would say "acceptable" condition.

[Anonymous No.3497040]

>>3496792
>im so retro i havent even heard of the wii

[Anonymous No.3497076]

When it was announced I felt like the NES Classic would bring prices down. But now I think that once it comes out, prices are gonna jump for NES titles...

[Anonymous No.3497094]

>>3496818
That is "acceptable" condition.

[Anonymous No.3497103]

>>3497076
Prices are going to continue to go up until the millennial generation starts retiring or maybe dying.

[Anonymous No.3497154]

>>3497040
>>im so retro i havent even heard of the wii
What the fuck do you mean?

[Anonymous No.3497156]

>>3495958

>is our hobby becoming too expensive?

No, it's cost 0 USD for as long as I can remember with a few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.3497328]

>>3495958
>Is our hobby becoming too expensive
Have you ever looked at the prices for comic book collecting, for sports memorabilia collecting, for guitar collecting? Video games are one of the cheapest hobbies to collect for. The majority of Saturn games I bought cost me around $30 because I bought Japanese copies for any game that didn't have a language barrier. There's only a few games that cost more than $100 and tbqh if you're a functional adult with disposable income that's nothing for a collectible hobby. Quit whining that people used to get games really cheap; it's your fault for not buying them back then.

[Anonymous No.3497361]

>>3495958
It depends.

Emulation is free and covers a shitload of platforms really well these days. If you're cool with that it's as cheap of a hobby as reading. On the other hand collecting can cost so much that it's cheaper to plunk down $60 for a new title.

[Anonymous No.3497382]

>>3495958
It depends, are you a collector or an enthusiast?

For me personally I normally go with roms, convenient and run great. Do I prefer having a physical copy of a game? Of course I do but unless you're rich this hobby will kill you. Collecting isn't what it used to be, now its just people who would rather have nice display pieces then games. When I do buy a game I play it as soon as possible. I don't get these "collectors" who just collect just to collect. I never buy anything I didn't have an interest in playing.

[Anonymous No.3497449]

>>3497156
>as long as I can remember
Your age is showing

[Anonymous No.3497517]

>he doesn't mod all his consoles for them sweet, sweet off-brand CD-Rs

[Anonymous No.3497573]

>>3495958
Internet / Youtube collectors are cancerous non-players. They just fill their homes with shit they don't play. I hate people who try to steal every N64 cartridge or try to bump the cost of plastic discs past 100 dollars. Fuck em. I've quit collecting games. I think the digital copies and hacking are the way to go. I haven't played a good game since Resident Evil 5 came out. Anyway, I really hate YT collectors and complainers. The games stand on their own and they shouldn't cost a lot of money. Theres literally hundreds of thousands of games out there.

[Anonymous No.3497585]

>>3495978
Pretty much this. Just mod your consoles, get flash carts, and emulate if you don't want to be able to make videos of you standing in front of shelves full of games you never play.

[Anonymous No.3497620]

>>3497328
>comic book collecting

Cheap as shit except for key golden age issues. You can get a trillion modern issues for next to nothing now with some great stories. I honestly buy more comics than I do games at this point.

>guitar collecting
Ok you have a point here. But guitars are for playing not hanging on the fucking wall. People who 'collect' a ton and play none of them are worthless.

[Anonymous No.3497640]

>>3497620
My Saturn collection is likely worth less than a Magic the Gathering deck. Only the most ridiculously scalped games approach the cost of an Underground Sea.

[Anonymous No.3497687]

>>3495958
If you see a good price on something you want then go for it, but the hobby is going through a transitional phase that a lot of people will have to get used to. Eventually there will be no point in trying to build a shelf because the prices will be so astronomical that no-one can afford it except Youtubers.

On the other hand though, the system hardware itself is still readily available, and flash carts and modchips are fast becoming the way to go if you want to actually play games. It will be a really sad day when the physical copies of the games we love are all gone, but we can still enjoy the games on the original hardware for the foreseeable future. It's just that the software side of things is increasingly moving to all digital, because there are a lot more consoles than there are copies of each game.

Naturally, the cost of the consoles is creeping up too, but if you're not burdened by having to spend hundreds of dollars to build up a game library anymore, then those rising costs will not be so bad in the short term.

Eventually there will be no affordable options left except emulation, but emultation is getting a lot better. We may even be at the point soon where FPGAs can accurately emulate systems like the N64, which could open up an entire market of plug n' play FPGA consoles where all you need is an SD card full of ROMs to play nearly hardware-accurate versions of thousands of classic games.

Nothing beats playing original cartridges on original systems, but it's beyond our control. The boom in retro appreciation is unfortunately killing the retro game market, and I worry that it will eventually kill my favorite local game shops with it. Rather than mourne the past though, I'm looking more towards how I can transition towards the future of the hobby, whether that's flash carts or emulation. I've already managed to accumulate a shelf that I can be proud of, and if I have to settle for repros, flash carts and emulators going forward, so be it.

[Anonymous No.3497740]

>>3495958
I bought mine in 1999 for 115$ is it time to sell?

[Anonymous No.3497753]

>>3495958
Yes.

Fucking hipsters ruined retrogaming.

[Anonymous No.3497760]

>>3497740
For sure, that's an insane return even if you manage like $600

[Anonymous No.3497763]

>>3497760
>insane return
>500 dollars over 17 years

Jesus Christ no, just keep the game.

[Anonymous No.3497765]

>>3495958
if you just want to play games, piracy is key. anything else and yeah you gotta be a trust fund baby or have won the fucking lottery.

[Anonymous No.3497827]

>>3495958

If you're a collector you're part of the problem.
If you're not a collector then there is no problem.

[Anonymous No.3497976]

>>3495958
It gets brutally expensive, and not just in a mere monetary sense.

Just with trying to maintain a decent supply of old PC parts, people batfuck delusionally begrudge supposed nerd advantages.

[Anonymous No.3498061]

>>3497076
The NES Classic itself is going to get scalped to shit. Amazon pre-orders for the thing sold out in minutes.

I doubt I'll be able to get my hands on one this year, and probably not until mid-2017 if Nintendo keeps producing them.

[Anonymous No.3498192]

>>3498061
The same thing happened with Amiibos. Now nobody wants the damn things.

[Anonymous No.3498289]

>>3497620
Yeah and game collecting is cheap as shit for the most part. Atari 2600, Genesis, GB, GG, etc are all super cheap.

>Guitars are for playing and not hanging on the wall
Most guitar collectors collect for getting specific sounds when they play, like getting that one pedal or pickup modification that makes their playing sound just like Randy Rhoads.

Anyway people are in denial about the retro game bubble "popping". I used to think that way and then I watched the Shenmue 3 Kickstarter make Dreamcast prices skyrocket. Now I'm collecting cheaper stuff while it's still cheap before I move on to pricier things.

[Anonymous No.3498630]

>>3498289
The retro "bubble" isn't going to pop, if only because they're an acceptable substitute for modern games. Their prices reflect the fact that for the price of a 60$ new game off the shelf, you can buy 2-12 older games. There has to be a huge increase in the quantity and quality of modern games to make investing in retro less desirable, and that's not going to happen any time soon with current gen consoles running 300$+ and forcing you to put up with their general BS.

[Anonymous No.3498693]

>>3498289
>Game Boy
>cheap
You're kidding, right? Even insanely common ones like SML2 regularly go for $20+ around here.

[Anonymous No.3498873]

>>3498693
>$20 is a lot of money
Spotted the poorfag

[Anonymous No.3499096]

>>3498192
Because the scalpers ruined them and Nintendo never restocked the ones that were hard to find. Instead, they've been pushing the Animal Crossing Amiibos that nobody wants.

[Anonymous No.3499123]

>>3495958
What hobby, building an autistic collection of packaging and physical media? Yeah, I guess.

Anyone who wants to fucking actually *play* these games can do so accurately and for free now.

[Anonymous No.3499239]

>>3495958
man that game's gonna need to suck my dick for me to pay that much

[Anonymous No.3499508]

This is why piracy exists OP

[Anonymous No.3499516]

>>3495958
tfw you like playing video games more than looking at them

[Anonymous No.3499563]

it's not expensive if you dont want to collect the common stuff such as Nintendo. I'm starting to go more for Atari 2600 and 80s computers because nobody is really interested in those except for old people.

[Anonymous No.3499575]

>>3495958

RIP Moebius.

Fuck I would kill to see another rpg inspired by Jean Giraud art in my life again.

[Anonymous No.3499587]

>>3495958
>Would you have to be a trust fund baby to "retro gaming"?

For genuine retro gamers you would be playing the relevant games of the era you are interested in (which are dirt cheap since they flooded the markets for a reason). They were culturally relevant and they inspired the games that followed. Virtually all of these retro games are still available for a fair price for those who care to enjoy them.

Hipster collectors destroyed the retro game markets by chasing special snowflake titles that were scarcely distributed for a reason. The games they covert most were often obsolete and unwanted on release date and had no impact on the industry. No one even heard of most of these titles even when they were new.

This is why retro collectors are a step below girl gamers for the most part. They are in it to be fashionable attention whores. It has gone from playing games to the games being a defining part of their identity as they show off their rare collections on social media.

[Anonymous No.3499594]

>>3499587
fucking epic.

[Anonymous No.3499636]

Collectors are a pox on the hobby.

They love talking about these "sweet" deals when they rip off someone but stomp their feet like babies when a person or reseller knows the value of the things they have and refuse to be ripped off.

[Anonymous No.3499910]

>>3499636
Collectors don't do that. Bandwagoner eBaybys do though.

[Anonymous No.3499960]

>>3499910
Bandwagoner? Whatever man, I've been in this hobby longer than you, sorry I take the time to drive around and look for deals instead of paying ebay prices. And these retards try to sell for ebay prices with the audience being their local flea market instead of , umm, ebay

[Anonymous No.3499968]

>>3498693
How poor are you...? Like seriously, who thinks collecting for the Gameboy expensive? You want expensive, go collect for the Neo Geo.

[Anonymous No.3499986]

>>3499960
topkekkid. I'm probably as old as your dad and was writing games in the 80's
You sound mad late20sbandwagoncollector lad.

[Anonymous No.3500004]

>Yoshi : we didn't add viera because too similar to miqo'te!

Yet, you just added au ra, which miqo'te with scales Yoshi.

[Anonymous No.3500029]

>>3495958
If you're getting into collecting so you can say you own super rare and valuable games, then yes.

If you just want to play some good retro vidya, there's still plenty cheap ones to choose from.

[Anonymous No.3500047]

I remember being able to pick up nes games for less than 5 dollars a piece and now I have a TON of good stuff from my child hood. When I realized prices were shooting up I got out of it so I moved onto newer systems. I buy whats cheap.

>years ago
>gamestop phazing out ps2
>some cib unopened
>get literally stacks of them for 1-5$ a piece
>already quadrupled my investment

[Anonymous No.3500049]

>>3495958
No just stop looking up super rare games. There's still tons of great stuff out there that's affordable. I have a rule to never go over $60 but usually rarely go over $30 anyway. Yeah it sucks you can't buy a ton of games super cheap anymore but they're not incredibly outrageous yet.

[Anonymous No.3500171]

>>3497103
>millennial generation

All I had was your hand-me-down NES and SNES collection, big bro. I just want to be reminded of the good times we had playing games together.

[Anonymous No.3500195]

>>3497103
>millennial generation starts retiring
You can't retire if you never had a job

[Anonymous No.3500362]

>>3500171
I had this same situation. The difference is I held onto them and built up libraries for them all through the rest of my life. I was 13 when the original Xbox launched but I was more interested in old games because I enjoyed playing them more. Most people my age always tell me about how they sold all their old gear and wish they still had it.

[Anonymous No.3501397]

>>3499587
This post is so retarded. What about collectors that don't use social media, or have been collecting way before social media?

[Anonymous No.3501451]

When all the little faegots like you started hoarding games.

[Anonymous No.3501663]

>>3497976
>people batfuck delusionally begrudge supposed nerd advantages.
que?

[Anonymous No.3501865]

>>3501397
>This post is so retarded.

As long as you don't take selfies or videos of yourself in front of your collection while holding up your recent acquisitions, I suppose you may still have a hint of credibility as a gamer.

Most are like pic related though. Retro collectors are on the same level as girl gamers or possibly lower.

>What about collectors that don't use social media, or have been collecting way before social media?

Hoarders (or liars).

Do you have fond childhood memories of playing "flinststones: surprise at dinosaur peak" with your dad? Fuck no. You didn't even know the title existed until someone told you it was rare and that made you want to own it.

[Anonymous No.3501935]

I'd be happy just with reasonable reproductions from china. I'm just hoping for ps1 reproductions sometime soon so I can finish off my ps1 collection.

[Anonymous No.3501940]

>>3496716

the games are cheap

shipping is not

[Anonymous No.3502038]

is $40 for a PS2 Slim with 2 Dual Shocks and 2 Memory Cards a good deal? that's all my local thrift stores within a 30 mile radius have available

[Anonymous No.3502043]

>>3501940
It's actually a hell of a lot cheaper than it used to be. It really isn't that bad, I get batches of games (4-8 games or so) from Japan pretty regularly and the shipping is only 10-20 bucks.

Even with shipping you're still getting shit for way cheaper than their US releases.

[Anonymous No.3502054]

>>3502038
Hell yeah dude, I'd get it in a heartbeat UNLESS you're interested in modding your system at all.

An original PS2 with the HDD and softmod can do many interesting things.

[Anonymous No.3502102]

>>3501865
>Do you have fond childhood memories of playing "flinststones: surprise at dinosaur peak" with your dad? Fuck no. You didn't even know the title existed until someone told you it was rare and that made you want to own it.

What the fuck? Are people only allowed to buy games today that they played as children? Get out of here with your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3502234]

>>3502038
I wouldn't call it a good deal. It would be about right at 5$ each for the memory card, 5$ for the console, 5$ for the cables, and 5$ for each controller. Really depends on the condition of the console.

[Anonymous No.3502240]

>>3501935
That's probably not happening.

[Anonymous No.3502258]

>>3495958
Yes and No.
The bubble hasn't burst so if you didn't get shafted on a price, you really didn't lose any money if you can move it quickly.

Lets say Zelda cost you 20 bucks. It's not like a car, it doesn't lose value if you play it a bunch. Then if you then sell it for 20 bucks you never lost money.

[Anonymous No.3502263]

>>3495958
only if you're an authentic-fag

You can buy digital retro games for cheap and emulate for free. It's really just a waiting game for things that haven't been able to get properly emulated yet.

[Anonymous No.3502280]

I dunno man, the bubble is good.

I got into collecting around 2003 and stopped around 2013.

I don't work anymore, I just live a neet life and flip retro games.

God bless the neogeo and these stupid hipsters.

[Anonymous No.3502281]

>>3499587
>>3499594

Samefag

[Anonymous No.3502296]

Just think about this, I could use iComic and have every rare comics at my fingertips and it would be glorious, perfect, practical, and the best way to enjoy any comic anywhere. If someone only enjoyed comics for themselves to read there is really no better way.

Not to mention, perfect physical reproductions of older comics made with better materials and sold dirt cheap (similar to aliexpress carts)

Why are those old comics fucking worth a fortune?? Plus, I guarantee there are better comics being written and illustrated today that go for $3 with %1000 better art styles, cooler/more interesting characters and deeper mind blowing stories than goddamn xmen/spiderman/superman #1.

Could you say that last part About the current age of gaming?? You could debate it, I personally say no, but we all wouldn't be on this board and in this thread if we were so caught up and interested with current games.

Shit will continue to rise in price, get them while you can.

[Anonymous No.3502303]

>>3502296
I really feel that gaming reached its peak around ps2/gc era and that it was downhill from there.

I try to get hyped for the new games but they suck and are shallow.

[Anonymous No.3502325]

>>3495958
YES. The modern shelf collector is a vacuous moron who's goal in life is conspicuous consumption for social media cred. Spending hundreds of dollars on nintendo games is a mental illness akin to pedophilia or schizophrenia. It's completely genetic and absolutely cancerous to the community.

TL;DR krikzz.com
TL;DR zophar.net
TL;DR emuparadise.me

[Anonymous No.3502328]

>>3502325
*completely degenerate

autocomplete fail

[Anonymous No.3502331]

>>3502325
poorfag detected

[Anonymous No.3502338]

>>3497753
hipsters started retro gaming. "nerds" who watch big bang theory and AVGN are to blame for the high prices. hipsters merely were playing nes when ps2 was around because it was cheap and ironic.

[Anonymous No.3502389]

>>3502054
they also have the original PS2 but it's a bit beat up (scratches everywhere); came with a black Dualshock, and one memory card.

>>3502234
the Slim was in good condition, just missing the AV cables

[Anonymous No.3502445]

Since collecting in general is so expensive I've decided to just collect for one genre and emulate the rest - Survival Horror. Sadly it appears I've picked the most expensive genre. This weeks buys:

Haunting Ground: $100
Rule of Rose: $200
Fatal Frame collection: $120
Hellnight PAL: $80
Ring Terror's Realm: $28
Clock Tower 3: $18
Clock Tower 2: $70
Clock Tower: $70
Intelligence Cube (wanted it): $50
Kuon SEALED: $160

am i contributing to the problem by giving in to their unfair prices? I can afford it, so it's not like i'm financially hurting myself, but i don't try very hard to find alternatives to Ebay and local shops

[Anonymous No.3502495]

>>3502445
Intelligent Qube?? Not survival horror but slightly creepy, fantastic game, one of my favorites to play today, still can get past stage 5

[Anonymous No.3502507]

>>3495958
If your hobby is collecting super rare games, yeah it's pretty expensive.

[Anonymous No.3502534]

>>3502495
Yeah Qube, my bad. I know it's not survival horror but I thought I'd mention the price.

[Anonymous No.3502554]

Collect old did and PC games. Most people don't know the value and they are usually thrown into the CD section at Goodwill. Picked up Quake AoE for like 2 bucks the other day. If you don't care about big boxes this is a pretty decent option.

[Anonymous No.3502596]

It isn't worth collecting anymore. Too many newfags ruined everything.

[Anonymous No.3502950]

>>3502596
Says the kid who's been collecting for at least two summers. But yes, newfags have shitted things up. Doesn't mean it's not worth collecting. I see good deals all the time.

[Anonymous No.3503265]

>>3502338
There are people that have been playing and collecting NES since it came out. I know that is hard to believe, being born in the late 90s and all.

[Anonymous No.3503309]

>>3502445
why didn't you get a PAL copy of Haunting Ground? It goes for around £10 here.

[Anonymous No.3503316]

>>3496730
Hello, /k/.

[Anonymous No.3503401]

>>3503309
Oh, well it's simple really because FUCK PAL, Pal.

[Anonymous No.3503417]

>>3503401
It has 60hz and 480p modes so why not? Plus they bought Hellnight PAL so unless the guy is just buying games to put on a shelf they probably dont have to worry about region locks.

[Anonymous No.3503424]

I play 100% on PC and emulate consoles. I sold all my old consoles and games for a nice wad of cash. Sure playing on the original is better but it's not £3000 better.

Now I collect physical PC games when I find them, never pay more than £1 each, even big box ones. It's a hobby.

[Anonymous No.3503434]

>>3497585
>emulate if you don't want to be able to make videos of you standing in front of shelves full of games you never play.
felt this in my sides

[Anonymous No.3503471]

Same shit is happening with other hobbies though, take musical instruments for example; vintage Fenders or old Roland synths going for upwards of $3000-4000+. A decade or two ago you'd find them in a shop for $250-500, or even less.

You want to fix up an old 60s muscle car? Prepare to get raped over a rusted out husk with no engine cause the old fart who owns it "knows what they got." You like comics? Baseball cards? Stamps? You gonna get raped. Simple as that. It's happening everywhere.

>>3500049
This. Most of the rare games are shit and overrated anyway. It sounds like sour grapes but it's not, I've emulated most of the games on a lot of rare games lists and can't understand why there's even demand for them.

Pretty much the only good rare/expensive games I enjoyed were OP's pic, Chrono Trigger (not that rare but overpriced for sure) and Snatcher.

[Anonymous No.3503559]

>>3497740
Actually yes, the saturn has recently been hacked, I'm sure you've seen the video. This will do two things: a working plug and play flash cart and secondly near perfect emulator.

[Anonymous No.3503615]

>>3503559
It's not like it isn't already easy enough to play backups on the system. There's either swap trick, modchip, or pseudosaturn

[Anonymous No.3503767]

>>3503417
>>3503417
No I'm paying to play, and have stable access. Emulation is great but it sucks at the same time, Hellnight is a gem of a game that only had a PAL release. So kind of collecting for shelf, but if I can play it, I'll get the playable one.

[Anonymous No.3503809]

>>3502281
non

[Anonymous No.3503835]

>>3503471
The modular Moog we had at my college couldn't be sold if we tried about 10-15 years ago, now it's worth about $60,000

[Anonymous No.3503919]

>>3497827
Keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous No.3504205]

>>3495958
>is our hobby becoming too expensive?
This was already the case starting ~7-8 years

Anymore I just invest in controllers and adapters to use them on PCs with emulation.

[Anonymous No.3504803]

>>3501663
Yeah, like if they catch someone being interested in computers and not being sore about it, they decide that it's unfair whenever someone gets to do that comfortably when on the other hand others find technology burdensome and struggle with it. They are part of the expectation that those blessed with such freakish gifts owe it to share with the disadvantaged - the whole convention to that effect that built up.

And if they happened to have noticed the dot-com boom, they expect anyone involved in computers to be grateful for the privilege of "being in" such a hot new field, cause they haven't bothered to notice that the dot-com boom and similar starry times have swung around. So, this especially implies dudes that love to conceive of themselves as businessmen.

[Anonymous No.3504828]

>>3503559
>Flash cart for Saturn

My body is ready.

[Anonymous No.3504963]

The only way to collect is to figure out a bunch of things you like, then the thrift stores and garage sales as your hobby. You WILL find great deals on video games if you keep it up. On days that you don't find vidya, you'll find other things that you collect or for your house or etc. Keep doing this over YEARS and you'll have a great collection (in addition to great furniture and houseware and everything else you collect).

[Anonymous No.3505002]

>>3502296
>Why are those old comics fucking worth a fortune?

Cultural significance.

Valuable comics are typically first issues, first appearance of a famous character, or first appearance of an artist before they were famous.

Rarity is only a very small factor in comic collecting. There are dozens of publishers and even the big companies have comics that flopped, or had rare misprints, or had to issue recalls but a few samples survived, and those are all usually valueless. It doesn't matter if only 12 copies of that particular comic exist, it is worthless if it is not culturally relevant. Usually misprints actually hurt the comic's value (such as accidental double covers. It is far more rare, but considered flawed).

>New mutants issue #97 can be found for $2.
>New mutants issue #98 can go for $600-$900
>New mutants issue #99 is about $5 on a good day

All of these issues had the exact same print run and distribution. They are equally rare, but issue 98 had the first appearance of deadpool. Cultural significance.

Retro gaming is the opposite.

The important and influential old games are not valuable whatsoever. Collectors want the shoverware that was caught in limbo as a company halted distribution, or they want games released 2 years after the console was obsolete and did not appear in local stores.

Scarcity and obscure is pretty much the only factor that drives their value. The is no cultural value to the "valuable" rare games.

This retro collectors are bullshit. Rare video games were rare for a reason and this should make them less valuable, not more.

[Anonymous No.3505036]

The market values of EarthBound, Smash Bros., OG Pokemon, Conkers, etc. refute that only "rarity" is valued in game collecting.

[Anonymous No.3505068]

>>3496807
6th gen (excuse my language) will probably have a price increase in 20 years due to nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.3505073]

>>3505036

Titles can be both rare and culturally significant (same as comics). Earthbound is a good example of this. It had a low original production run due to shit marketing and it's success came later. within a decade every critic had it on their top 10 lists and the hype built to what it is now.

Most of the games you listed are not especially valuable either (unless sealed, unopened). A game maintaining or even doubling it's original MSRP after 20 years is not that remarkable a feat.

[Anonymous No.3505086]

>>3499587
>The ones who were in it before the prices skyrocketed are to blame since they buy all the games no one else wants.
Sure.

[Anonymous No.3505113]

>>3497827
What if I play emulated games/flash carts because I can't afford the real thing?
What if I can't buy as many games as I would like to due to prices?

[Anonymous No.3505138]

>>3505113
>What if I can't buy as many games as I would like to due to prices?

If you already played them on an emulator what are you hoping to accomplish by putting a copy of that same game on your shelf?

This should not cause you financial hardship.

[Anonymous No.3505152]

>>3505138
Well, I guess we should just burn every dumped cartridge in existence, then.

I like the experience of playing on a real system. I like having a controller, and the collecting aspect, and I think the idea of playing a game on an underpowered 20-year-old machine is oddly charming and fun. Also, even though it doesn't really matter with some systems, not every game plays perfectly accurately on emulators.

This isn't an emulation vs. console thread, though.

[Anonymous No.3505157]

>>3505152
>and I think the idea of playing a game on an underpowered 20-year-old machine is oddly charming and fun

No offense, but are you like 22?

[Anonymous No.3505161]

>>3505157
My age doesn't matter, but I am 16. I think old computers and game systems are interesting.

[Anonymous No.3505167]

>>3505161
It's really no less stupid of a reason than playing for nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.3505170]

>>3505161

It was just the "oddly charming' comment that stood out. You still have idealism and seem to lack a meaningful amount of disposable income. It just sounded like you were young is all.

[Anonymous No.3505174]

>>3505170
I just wish that how much money I or others have wouldn't interfere with the ability to game in the preferred way as much as it does. I can deal with buying $20 or $30 games, but getting into the $50 range is when it gets a little ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.3505180]

>>3505152
>I like having a controller
sheesh, i wish you could somehow plug a controller into a PC and be able to play games with it. a man can dream

[Anonymous No.3505181]

>>3505167
>It's really no less stupid of a reason than playing for nostalgia.

Nostalgia is more meaningful to the industry (and economy) than retro-hipster collectors overpaying for used goods.

The mini-NES will be the hottest toy this December and every dad in America will have one under the christmas tree. They are going to want more games and that should lead to lower cost powerpack type products and more cheap retro consoles to use them on.

The retro industry will become less of a niche market, but most of them jumping on board will be happy enough with just an SD card full of games.

[Anonymous No.3505183]

>>3505174
>but getting into the $50 range is when it gets a little ridiculous.

Welcome to my childhood. That was the MSRP of those games in the 80s, in 1980s dollars.

I wish I could have played each and every game back then as well.

[Anonymous No.3505184]

>>3505002
Then why is Earthbound actually a common game but worth something you gotta sell a kidney to get?

[Anonymous No.3505187]

>>3505180
Most third party controllers suck. But sure, I could get half a dozen adapters and half a dozen controllers and store them all near a PC hooked up to my TV. It would be roughly the same experience aside from emulation innaruacies, potential increase in lag, and the inability to collect or enjoy the charm of the real hardware, for the sake of a lower price.

[Anonymous No.3505190]

>>3505183
Used 30-year-old games that only specific hobbyist wanted didn't cost $50 when you were a kid. New games shouldn't cost as much as technologically inferior games with much lower demand.

[Anonymous No.3505193]

>>3505184
Because more people want it now than they did back then. Earthbound wasn't popular when it came out.

[Anonymous No.3505195]

>>3505183
This. It might sound surprising to younger people, but those retro games used to be the AAA highest definition graphics available at the time, and were priced as such. Me and most kids I knew had like 3-4 games for each console, with the rich ones maybe having 8 (I grew up in a poor-ish suburb, though). I think steam discounts and virtual console really made modern gamers unreasonably jaded nowadays.

[Anonymous No.3505197]

>>3505184
>Earthbound actually a common game

It's not? They halted production pretty early on when retailers were bitching that no one was buying it. it was a massive failure on launch.

Most other Nintendo titles sold 1 million to 2 million copies. Earthbound they made what? 140,000 copies?

It was a common enough sight at game rental stores, but nobody ever rented it. It was rare to see in game stores.

[Anonymous No.3505198]

>>3505190
Also, the games in that photo range from $35-45.

[Anonymous No.3505202]

>>3505195
>most kids I knew had like 3-4 games for each console, with the rich ones maybe having 8

That is pretty normal for middle class.

A good friend of mine had 7 games, and his dad was the editor of the city newspaper. Big house, nice cars, but even well off dads would cringe at the cost of games.

After christmas the kids would gather and make lists of which kids got what game (or in rare cases, more than one game). After a month the kids would start trading the games on the schoolyard so we got to experience more of them.

[Anonymous No.3505204]

>be /emugen/
>sitting on 500GBs of Saturn rips, including the full PD series
>emulate the first one with PCSX2 anyway
>never paid a cent

/vr/ sure is funny

[Anonymous No.3505214]

>>3505204
Indeed. If you're interested in a quirky and maybe slightly challenging machine for lower end emulation and for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Commercial_video_games_with_freely_available_source_code

...well then, you get looked at as a freak for not going with a standard issue Atom or whatever else instead:
>>3496748
And that's if people even will in the first place tolerate the notion of not using your desktop for everything.

[Anonymous No.3505262]

>>3505204
You dumb kids having fake fun with your stupid emulators.

[Anonymous No.3505296]

The price is going up as a result of multiple circumstances:

1. The internet as a whole has become a lot more widespread. The dotcom bubble was actually not that long ago. There's been a large rise of websites and opportunities for you to hawk your shit at higher prices; so instead of tossing shit in a garage sale now they're throwing it on craigslist and seeing how much their collection is going for at the same time.
2. Nintendo's fight against market devaluation for their games has had a ripple effect in a lot of similar games from that era. When people see Popular Game X sells for a ton, they start to think Less Popular Game Y can sell for slightly less than a ton. Since I guarantee most collectors started off with Nintendo shit, things like this very quickly spread.

The bubble's not going to burst any time soon considering there's a dwindling supply. The only thing that could change things drastically is if companies decided to tap into the retro game market themselves and issue reprints of older carts, systems etc.

For me, I'm avoiding the rising prices because I tend to be in a far more niche area than games. I'm interested in retro computing and niche Japanese systems than the stuff I grew up on outside of a few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.3505336]

>>3501940
>>3501940
Also, if you live in the UK, like I do, then you have to trust that the seller will mislabel the value of the game on the customs declaration form, since any imports over £15 (including shipping) will be taxed 20% plus an £8 Royal Mail customs processing charge - so a game listed on eBay for £13 + £4 shipping will actually cost £28.40 in total.

Fortunately most Japanese sellers are nice enough to lie about the value of the game, but you never know.

[Anonymous No.3505929]

>>3505296
>The only thing that could change things drastically is if companies decided to tap into the retro game market themselves and issue reprints of older carts, systems etc.

The mini-NES could change this industry if sales are as strong as I am expecting them to be.

People will get a taste of the old games with the handful of built in titles, and that could convince nintendo to release a cart version for 2017, or a SNES version, along with an assortment of 10-in-1 type carts for it. "Best of capcom", "best of konami", etc types of collections.

A SNES (or mini-SNES) will also likely include titles like earthbound built in. What they include will come from their past experience on the virtual console and they know what games consumers want.

[Anonymous No.3505962]

>>3495958
>our hobby

my hobby is playing games, and it's quite cheap

[Anonymous No.3506272]

>>3496023
being this poor kek

[Anonymous No.3506451]

Well obviously if your "hobby" consists of just buying up tons of rare valuable games, and not actually fucking playing them, yeah, it's gonna get expensive.

That's why I fucking can't stand collectors. Most of them don't play their damn games at all. All they care about is muh rarity muh label muh cardboard. Like really, buying a $500 NES game solely because some faggot on Youtube said that it's supposedly is rare, is beyond retarded. It can be an absolute shit game, something nobody in their right mind should ever want, but I gotta have it cause muh supposed rarity!!

Collectors for the most part just maniacally buy up as much shit as possible, and waste tons of money doing so, then go "durr why is everything so expensive!?! Fucking resellers! Y-yeah let's just blame them!" They fail to see they're the reason why its fucking ridiculous now. And now that I've begun selling my Nintendo shit I love being able to rip off these hipster faggots. And they eat it right up. A sucker is born every minute.

[Anonymous No.3506461]

>>3506451
wait, you're selling all your nintendo stuff?

how much for your river city ransom and your super dodgeball?

[Anonymous No.3506469]

>>3506461
$100 each, they're ultra rare bro :^)

[Anonymous No.3506476]

>>3506451

Very much this. Also the mainstream hit games tend to be the cheapest.

Pick up an issue of gamepro from 1995 and look at the top 10 "must play" games for the SNES. Odds are good you can still get those games as loose carts for less than their original MSRP.

[Anonymous No.3506504]

>>3506451
Also to add on, I find Youtube collectors/ social media collectors are the absolute fucking worst. Literally they just drop tons of money on games they've never heard of til yesterday, they don't plan on playing them, just so they can put it on a shelf and hopefully gain some quick nerd cred. Or the ones who have patreons/donations crap, they get FREE games and shit sent to them from viewers, which is a pity because they're never going to touch them, and still have the balls to complain how expensive everything is getting. They do this as they get ad revenue from Youtube as well. Seriously, they are a legitimate cancer.

Pick up videos have to be the worst. I mean, wow, you're just showing us what you overpayed for, I'm so impressed. Wow, you just went on ebay and bought tons of shit. I'm sure no one else with some money is able to do that. What's next? Grocery store pickup videos?

[Anonymous No.3506506]

>>3495958
I only buy consoles and accessories now. Pirate everything.

[Anonymous No.3506525]

>>3506504
dude old games lmao

[Anonymous No.3506541]

>>3505929
that might happen, but I think it's also equally likely that it might drive up demand for the original carts - the recent resurgence of vinyl in the age of streaming shows that people care about physical media and the "original" of something

[Anonymous No.3506549]

>>3497094
And to think that when I buy a 可 on Amazon it looks almost as good as new and/or is only branded as such because it's missing stuff like the box.

[Anonymous No.3506553]

>>3506541
People are so fickle. Something goes out of style today? Wait a decade and it will be a collector's item.

[Anonymous No.3506571]

>>3506541


But vinyl value is like comic value. People want classic Rolling stones and zeppelin and beatles. Cultural significance drives consumer demand.

They don't want vinyl that was only played once on minnesota college radio in 1978 and was never heard from again.

For games the really valuable titles are the shit that was barely released and no one knew about (assuming they were ever even released). The more obscure it is the more valuable it is.

[Anonymous No.3506579]

>>3505198
>>3505198
current prices?

[Anonymous No.3506580]

>>3505161
Why can't mods do their jobs? I miss children being public b&

[Anonymous No.3506602]

>>3506579

The featured games on that list like little nemo are like $7-$10. Castlevania 3 is like $25 loose. Good games tend to be cheap like that.

Most of the rare and valuable games never appeared in the sears catalog. That is what made them rare in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3506675]

>>3503471
>Baseball cards?
Those are actually much cheaper then they used to be. Cards from 1970+ remain (relatively) static in value because so many people figured out that they had value, and therefor took care of them.

[Anonymous No.3506814]

I really hate people who try to get complete collections or just focus on rare games instead of just getting the games they're actually interested in. A collection of good games is better than a collection of rare games any day, but this whole "old games are worth 20 grand" dialogue that has entered the public consciousness thanks to stuff like storage wars and clickbait drives the price on retro shit up no matter what the game. People will pay hundreds of dollars for something like stadium events or dinosaur peak just for the sake of rarity. A game's value has nothing to do with how good it is. If they did, stuff like super spy hunter would cost more than fucking sunday funday.

[Anonymous No.3506894]

>>3497382
man... this sounds like /toy/. I guess collecting is the same, whatever the object. there are always people who collect because they are obsessive autists who need every last item in a run. there are those who collect because they think it makes their dick look bigger. and then there are guys like you and me: those who collect because we actually enjoy the things we collect.

for me, I want games because I want to play them, and I want a physical representation of my tastes. I want my collection to reflect me, personally. I don't care how rare a game is, if I don't like playing it, I won't keep it. People piss themselves for Dragon Force, on the Saturn. I played the game, i don't like it. I love Vampire Savior, so i am happy to display that game.

[Anonymous No.3506895]

>>3497382
where is that pic from? did Bomberman join Hamas?

[Anonymous No.3506968]

>>3505197
Nintendo expected it to sell a million in 2 weeks like DKC did, but god forbid it did below a posterboy, so lets just say it flop! Vaguely.

[Anonymous No.3507049]

>>3506968

They lost millions on it, so it was a flop.

[Anonymous No.3507064]

>>3507049
RPGs just weren't big til ff7

[Anonymous No.3507068]

>>3507064

They were considered "dead or dying" before FF7 came out, that much is true.

Gamepro would do RPG reviews on page 120+ in the back of the book and new games would only get a single page. Readers would bitch about RPG coverage wasting space and wanted more pages dedicated to mortal combat fatality move sets.

[Anonymous No.3507130]

>>3495958
It really depends on what games you want.

For example, I would like Castlevania: Dracula X for my Super Nintendo, but I know that it's not worth the 300 bucks people try and sell it for online.

TL;DR be smart about through which medium you buy retro games.

[Anonymous No.3507138]

>>3507130
Does it really go for that much now? I thought it never broke 200

[Anonymous No.3507461]

>>3506571
didn't someone find a whole crate full of Air Raids? Or am I mistaken?

[Anonymous No.3507476]

So being a retro gamer means collecting ancient fucking hardware? Huh. Thought it just meant playing old games.

Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.3507525]

>>3507476
you're not playing the old game without the old hardware, you're just playing a simulation of it.

[Anonymous No.3507527]

>>3502445
Is Hellnight really that expensive nowadays? I remember buying it from Ebay for like 10€ some years ago...

[Anonymous No.3507571]

>>3507525
This mentality is retarded. I'm a collectorfag because I like playing on original hardware, but saying someone didn't actually play the game if they emulated it is dumb. It's like saying you haven't actually seen a movie unless you watched a 35mm film print of it in a theater. If someone watches it on a DVD they still saw the movie. It might not have been the optimal "experience", but the content itself was the same.

[Anonymous No.3507604]

>>3507571
It's not like watching a DVD it's more like giving the script to another director who tries to recreate the experience as accurately as they can but they can't. It's like seeing Les Miserables in Toronto. The visuals are wrong, the sound is wrong. The content's not the same with emulation. Can you promise that that the physics, input lag, etc is entirely accurate. Checkers wouldn't be checkers if you had a board where you could move two squares every turn but to you "meh that's close enough you elitist checkerfag!" No it wouldn't be and neither is SMB3 on.. whatever you played it. An iPhone or some derivative thereof I suppose.

[Anonymous No.3507772]

>>3497687
This anon gets it. It's lamentable, but the fact is everything you said is true. I accepted this a while back, and while it's not quite the same, there is considerable joy to be had in a digital collection for me. Emulation is getting better with every nightly build, and a great deal of the games up to the 6th gen can be enjoyed pretty damn accurately. It's also fun enhancing games on emus like Dolphin/PCSX2/PPSSPP, etc.

I've built a pretty nice emulation machine that I'm proud of, that has pretty much everything up to the 6th gen, excluding the original Xbox of course. I can choose whether to enjoy classics as they were, or apply modern enhancements. I can choose which controller to use, and in most cases, the original can be hooked up via USB. I really love my shelves and drawers full of original carts/discs and box art, but personally, I also really enjoy having several TBs of software to choose from that can be accessed with a couple of clicks.

[Anonymous No.3507885]

You're all missing the point of wall collections. People collect them because they're easy to grab and cheap to fill space. No one owns a huge ass collection with the intent to play everything. It's hilarious that people act like having a complete collection of ROMs on their flash cart or emu box is somehow going to give them the precious time they need to enjoy it all. It's not like owning ROMs keeps physical copies available for people who want them. I could wallpaper my room with SMB/DH and there would still be oodles of copies out there. The premium priced games? I'm not sure what people expect to happen there. What, people are just supposed to give away rare games in good condition until some enterprising person gets their hands on it and sells it?

The hobby is as cheap as it ever was, which is basically free until you decide you want to invest in the experience, and then it's all a matter of disposable income.

[Anonymous No.3507937]

Who's more at fault here: sellers price gouging or morons stupid enough to pay?

[Anonymous No.3507960]

>>3507937
It's more that the most common trader's market place takes 10%, so every time someone tries to get equivalent value for a "trade" the price gets pushed up.

[Anonymous No.3508060]

>>3507885
>No one owns a huge ass collection with the intent to play everything
Except, y'know, the people who actually do. I don't see the point of owning a game you have no interest in playing. Bragging rights? Social media cred? It looks pretty on a shelf? All of these are bad reasons and you should collect something like coins or stamps instead.

[Anonymous No.3508093]

>>3507525
>a simulation
>of the exact fucking same code
what

[Anonymous No.3508190]

>>3508060
>You should collect this arbitrary other collectable

No thanks.

[Anonymous No.3508195]

>>3508060
>All of these are bad reasons and you should collect something like coins or stamps instead.
Give a single legitimate reason for this.
>b-but games are meant to be played!!!11
Coins are meant to be used as currency, and stamps are meant to be used to mail letters. There's no difference.

[Anonymous No.3508419]

>>3507604
>It's not like watching a DVD it's more like giving the script to another director who tries to recreate the experience as accurately as they can but they can't.
No it isn't

[Anonymous No.3509225]

>>3508419
Actually that's a pretty apt comparison. The script is the software and the director is the hardware. Emulating is the Vince Vaughn version of Psycho to video games. Even when it tried to be exactly the same it was was far from it and worse because of it.

[Anonymous No.3509231]

>>3508093
see >>3509225

[Anonymous No.3509234]

>>3495958
this shows you how much of a cancer is the sega saturn and their fanboys.

[Anonymous No.3511523]

>>3509234
Nintendo fanboys are just as bad

[Anonymous No.3511579]

>>3507604
>Checkers wouldn't be checkers if you had a board where you could move two squares every turn but to you

That's just stupid. You're not even trying to make that make sense, like with a comparison like checkers on a board for Chinese chess.

[Anonymous No.3511594]

look its simple, collect games when there cheap. original xbox and ps2 games are cheap now, GET THEM NOW!

[Anonymous No.3511597]

>>3509225
Stop talking out your ass. You can't swipe analogies that already have their rightful uses for other things. Straightforward analogies, you can't just bump those out with your stuff instead.

>The script is the software and the director is the hardware.
Well, see, we had this stuff called ... get this ... ports! And those actually had directors! Of course, they needed a whole new cast/crew, like any movie with a new director.

[Anonymous No.3511604]

>>3511594
If any of my PSP movies ever hit 20 bucks, that'll be a 10x increase over what I bought them for. Some are getting there.

[Anonymous No.3511609]

>>3495958
Its about PLAYING the games, not looking at shrinkwrapped NIBs on a shelf at your mom's house.

Emulate. $4 flash drive = $140,000 of NIB garbage for consoles that don't work anymore.

[Anonymous No.3512491]

>>3502102
>Completely missed the entire point of >>3501865

[Anonymous No.3512569]

>>3506571
>They don't want vinyl that was only played once on minnesota college radio in 1978 and was never heard from again.

Someone doesn't know a damn thing about retro music nerds.

[Anonymous No.3512580]

>>3511597
To be fair, MOST games "journalism" outlets gave DmC a hard time for being inferior to its predecessors. You'll also notice most DMC fans would compare it to DMC2.
>I've never played the original, but I can weight in on this, lel
Honestly, I believe this can be applied to the masses that might have watched The Total Recall reboot, The Thing re(re)make, Ghostbusters and others.

[Anonymous No.3512612]

>>3511597
There's no reason at all why someone who played the new DMC but not the old one shouldn't give their opinions on it.

[Anonymous No.3512631]

>>3512580
This DMC reboot was widely panned. Also movie remakes are usually only seen as cynical cash ins when that's what they actually are, like TR or the new Robocop. When a remake is excellent no one cares that's what it was.

Psycho remake was a special case.

[Anonymous No.3512675]

>>3495958
There are emulators, there are mod chips, there are flash cards, there are numerous games which aren't expensive. So no, unless you're only interest in the hobby is showing off your expensive games, and then the hobby would have no appeal if it wasn't expensive.

[Anonymous No.3512687]

>>3507525
>>3507604
>>3509225
No emulation is like watching a move with a scratched cd it's still the same movie but not perfect.

[Anonymous No.3512696]

>>3512631
>This DMC reboot was widely panned
8/10s from several of the biggest review sites on the planet is "widely panned"?

[Anonymous No.3512720]

>>3512696
Yeah. No one trusts the big review sites even a little anymore, that's proof right there. Even if they're not shills they're assumed to be. Most actual gamers found it a huge disappointment.

[Anonymous No.3512865]

>>3505152
Then get flash carts and mod chips. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.3512876]

>>3505190
30 year old games didn't exist when I was kid.

[Anonymous No.3512903]

>>3505190
This person does not understand what collector's items are at all. That's like insisting that a rookie Satchel Paige card shouldn't be worth any more than a random new one from a player because the printing technique is dated by comparison.