/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3495419]

>be me
>get missles
>try throwing one at a red door
hmmm it doesn't open
>run around like a jackass for 20-30 min
>finally get pissed and shoot all 5 at a door
>mfw it opens
>game does not communicate this to the player in any way and it actually works differently from other metroid games.
Truly, this is the best game of all time.

[Anonymous No.3495420]

>>3495419
>I'm retarded
>this game sucks cause I never developed problem solving skills

[Anonymous No.3495421]

>>3495419
>game does not communicate this to the player in any way and it actually works differently from other metroid games.
That's wrong, and you're retarded. It was always five missiles to open a red door until they changed it in Prime/Fusion. Next time read the fucking manual.

[Anonymous No.3495426]

[Anonymous No.3495430]

>>3495426
>>3495421
>no in game tutorial
what a garbage game.

[Anonymous No.3495463]

>>3495419
I knew this from Nestroid, but it still pisses me off. It's a poor design decision but most fans won't admit it.

>>3495421
>It was always five missiles to open a red door until they changed it in Prime/Fusion.
If you're going to bitchpost at least get your facts right. Super was the last Metroid game to use the 5-missile thing.

[Anonymous No.3495465]

>>3495463
>If you're going to bitchpost at least get your facts right. Super was the last Metroid game to use the 5-missile thing.
...Which is exactly what I said, genius.

[Anonymous No.3495472]

>>3495465
Nvm my bad I misread your post and thought you wrote Prime/Echoes

[Anonymous No.3495504]

>>3495419
>game does not communicate this to the player in any way
Uh, I'm pretty sure that red doors flash when you hit them with a missile bro.

[Anonymous No.3495506]

>>3495463
>>3495430

>REEEEEEE THIS VINYL PLAYER HAS NO SOFTWARE TUTORIAL I CAN'T SET IT UP WHAT A SHIT PIECE OF TECHOLOGY REEEEEEEE

RTFM

[Anonymous No.3495513]

How was the player supposed to know? You can't defend this.

[Anonymous No.3495529]

>>3495419
>be me

Stopped reading.

[Anonymous No.3495585]

>>3495419
>mfw

Which face was yours?

????????????

[Anonymous No.3495589]

/mdg/ anon

the control freak and 1 door missile patch is there

[Anonymous No.3495595]

>>3495419
I figured it out pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.3495607]

>>3495419
>>3495430
Well, there is the fact that missiles are the only weapon you have at that point that effects the door at all.

[Anonymous No.3495616]

>>3495595
We all do, he's just slow.

[Anonymous No.3495695]

>>3495420
So trying the same thing again when it didn't work the first, second, or third time is proper problem solving skills?

[Anonymous No.3495696]

>>3495585
are you dumb? hes ridley and his face is in the picture

[Anonymous No.3495708]

>>3495419
You have a point. Why the FUCK does it need ALL five missiles when every other door needs one beam/super missiler/power bomb?! That was fucked up! Thankfully they corrected it in later games.

[Anonymous No.3495710]

>>3495513
You DO NOT want to break this tube before you get Gravy Suit. Just don't.

[Anonymous No.3495715]

>>3495710
Otherwise it's like swimming in gravy.

[Anonymous No.3496643]

>>3495695
Reading the manual is.

See
>>3495426

[Anonymous No.3496660]

>>3495426
is there anywhere that offers full release sets of these to download or am I limited to pulling each one off emuparadise one by one

[Anonymous No.3496745]

Lol, this thread.

The red doors took five missiles because that's the way it was in the original Metroid. There was some continuity from NES to SNES. Most people playing the game would've been surprised (and probably pleased) if it opened on the first shot.

For those who for whatever reason did NOT play the original NES Metroid first, they would have to have either: a) RTFM, or b) use deductive reasoning. Considering the game was released during a time when the real packaging and manuals mattered, it starts to become extremely obvious that nothing at all was done wrong.

And here's something funny. I played Metroid Fusion first. Then Zero Mission. Then Super, on an emulator. Guess what? I still figured out how to OPERATE THE FUCKING DOOR! First try, even!

As said before, the stupid door flashes and makes a sound. It gives you feedback. Don't be so fucking dense, people.

[Anonymous No.3496753]

>>3495513
>"This is made of glass, let's see what happens when I detonate a LITERAL NUCLEAR BOMB" inside it!"

[Anonymous No.3496778]

>>3495419
>be me

[Anonymous No.3496903]

>>3495419
>game does not communicate this to the player in any way

If you watch the demo it shows Samus shooting 5 missiles at a red door and it opens. Actually I think much of the "demo" is there to give hints to the player. But you probably didn't even watch the demo, did you?

[Anonymous No.3497136]

>>3496903
That same demo also shows Samus breaking the infamous tube in Maridia

[Anonymous No.3497158]

>>3495430

[Anonymous No.3497542]

>>3495426
what the fuck is a super bomb?

this game is impossible

[Anonymous No.3497593]

>Flashes and makes a noise like when you damage pretty much anything in a videogame.
>"Well, I guess nothing happened."

[Anonymous No.3498513]

>>3495513
You see a shattered one in a different part of the game. Also when you're inside it, the map tells you that you're in Maridia.

[Anonymous No.3498518]

>>3497136
Not unless you already did it in game.

[Anonymous No.3499040]

>>3498513
b-b-but thats hard why cant they just have a big glowing arrow and on screen instructions to blow up glass? how they expect me to figure out and put pieces together? stupid mean game developers.

[Anonymous No.3499180]

>>3499040
In their defense, play it again. Notice how the flashing isn't ALL that obvious.they should have flashed slower and in contrasting color (opposite of pink, cyan.)

[Anonymous No.3499198]

>>3499040
not to mention you don't even have to break that tube to access maridia. you can take the long way via the wrecked ship.

[Anonymous No.3499225]

>>3499198
You have to use the tube entrance to access the important parts of Maridia.
The wrecked ship path just drops you off in front of it.

[Anonymous No.3499226]

>>3497136
What about that thing when you become a foetus and turn your missiles into health? I saw that on there too - I figured it out once but I've forgotten now.

[Anonymous No.3499229]

>>3497542
It's just a thing you get, don't panic. All in good time...

[Anonymous No.3500749]

>>3495426
>doesn't tell you that you need to shoot the lights not the poles
hot garbage

[Anonymous No.3500767]

>door flashes from red to blue every time you fire a missile into it
>HURR surely this won't fucking work

[Anonymous No.3500768]

>>3500749
It doesn't tell you that you need to shoot anything. How do they expect players to figure this stuff out?

[Anonymous No.3500775]

>>3495430

Look you fucking idiot every game back then had manuals which were actually read! This was normal for everyone!

This is what pisses me off about emulators and ROMs, they need to force the manual in the user's face, because fucking millennial idiots don't realize what it was like

[Anonymous No.3500790]

>>3495504
Yeah they react in a way that doesn't exactly say "this is futile, don't waste your missiles".

[Anonymous No.3500793]

>>3500775
>This was normal for everyone!
Really? I never did. Mostly because it was all health and safety bullshit like "make sure the Game Pak™ is firmly in the Super Nintendo Entertainment Control Deck System Machine™ before applying no more than 0.4 newtons to the Power Switch™" and "don't have a tabloid-baiting Seizure™ like that one kid did"...

[Anonymous No.3500796]

>>3500793
You clearly never read a single game manual in your life.

[Anonymous No.3500839]

>>3500796
He clearly never read past the first 2 pages.

[Anonymous No.3500842]

>>3495419
>game does not communicate this to the player in any way
You're incorrect: the door flickers when you fire a missile at it. That should be an indicator that you're doing the right thing.

[Anonymous No.3500849]

>>3499226
You have to have 10 missiles, 10 super missiles, and 11 power bombs. Then go into a ball, hold Down L and R and use a super bomb. Keep the fire button pressed down until you're done rechargin.

[Anonymous No.3500850]

>this enemy doesn't die when I shoot it once!
>how am I supposed to know to shoot it more?

[Anonymous No.3500851]

>>3500839
More honest.

[Anonymous No.3500854]

>>3500850
>and when I do shoot it, it flashes - I'm stumped!

[Anonymous No.3500886]

>we miiverse now

[Anonymous No.3500898]

>>3495419
> Throws missile at door
> Has arm cannon capable of launching missiles at velocities capable of triggering payload
hmmmm I wonder why it didn't open

[Anonymous No.3500964]

>>3495430
>there are people in this thread who unironically replied to this bait

[Anonymous No.3500975]

>>3500886
It frightens me that these people's brains work so differently than my own. Not even the first time I played the game did I get into these situations

[Anonymous No.3501030]

Dumbass. I don't know what kind of imbecile you have to be to even need to look that up...."hurr, I only have this new item, guess it's NOT the thing I need to use....the game practically shits out health and ammunition I can't be bothered to try more than one!"

The sad thing is there actually are a couple parts in this game that could stump you and might require a guide....this is not fucking one of them

[Anonymous No.3501042]

>>3500842
It doesn't flicker noticeably. Even I got confused when I found those doors the first time I encountered them, all BLUE doors until them worked with one shot, so why must this only, RED door need FIVE missiles?

[Anonymous No.3501073]

>>3501042
It flickers well enough to notice that a hit has been taken, it's different than if you use a missile on a door that CAN'T be opened by a missile regardless....this alone should clue you in that missles are indeed to tool to use, and, idk maybe try more

You're just an non attentive shit for brains who needs quicktimes events to get through a game

[Anonymous No.3501097]

>>3501042
It not only flickers appropriately, it also does NOT make the noise the regular blaster makes (dink) illustrating that it was not being deflected.

This lack of deductive reasoning is why new games are boring handholding garvage.

[Anonymous No.3501113]

>>3501042
How does it feel to know you're one of the people ruining video games?

[Anonymous No.3501141]

>>3501113
>Obtuse level design is good!

It's not hard to figure out that you need to shoot the door with a missile, but 5 is just obtuse.

If I shoot something 3 times and all it does is blink, Then I assume that I'm on to something, but don't the correct solution yet.
Kinda like how you can hit some zelda bosses with your sword all you want, but it won't damage them.

Sure they state you need to shoot all 5 missiles in the manual, but that doesn't excuse it from being bad level design.

[Anonymous No.3501145]

>>3497593
This was how I figured it out.

[Anonymous No.3501154]

>>3500790
You talk like a fucking beta.

[Anonymous No.3501158]

>>3501141
How many missile shots a door takes to open isn't level design, it's a game mechanic. And all it requires is someone to actually notice what the door does when you hit it with a missile

[Anonymous No.3501169]

>>3495426
Wtf, I just want to play the game, I don't want to read shit.

[Anonymous No.3501170]

>>3501158
No that's stupid, noticing things is too hard. The only thing I should ever have to notice is a giant yellow arrow and on-screen instructions telling me precisely what to do.

[Anonymous No.3501173]

Guise I was stuck here for hours before I figured out there was run button, there was no hints about this.

[Anonymous No.3501174]

>>3501158
There's too much shit going on in the screen to notice a door flashing.

[Anonymous No.3501176]

>>3501174
No there's not.

[Anonymous No.3501183]

>>3501173
Somehow I always knew there was a run button because when I first started the game I noticed the default controls were total shit due to Japanese reversing everything. So I rebound the controls to the proper MURIKAN bindings (y shoot, b jump etc) and noticed run in there.

[Anonymous No.3501859]

>>3501042
Then you're a fucking idiot who either needs to A) stop emulating with shitty filters, B) stop fucking with the settings on your TV, or C) get your stupid fucking eyes checked

[Anonymous No.3502187]

>>3500851
man that show was great

[Anonymous No.3502193]

>>3501173
I had to call the fucking nintendo hotline to get past that part

I still remember the phone number for that hotline but 4chan won't let me post it

[Anonymous No.3502282]

all of the enemies in the game that take more than 1 hit to kill will flash when you do damage to them.

the pink door flashes when you do damage to it.

there's your hint. you can't say there are no in-game hints about this. this hint is very easy to figure out if you pay even the slightest bit of attention to the game.

[Anonymous No.3502302]

>>3501141
>It's not hard to figure out that you need to shoot an enemy with a bullet, but 5 is just obtuse
See how sill that sounds?

Shooting doors as a mean to open it isn't exactly a convention that lots of games do. It's not obtuse at all given that it's already a special condition to open a door. So just because it's outside of your troubleshooting sense doesn't mean it's bad design.

[Anonymous No.3503209]

>>3501859
No, I first played it on CONSOLE, I DID get past the red door eventually, I was 12 back then, we had NO FUCKING MANUAL and lastly... The kid who owned the console and game explained me shortly after.

All your points are invalid, faggot

[Anonymous No.3503260]

>>3503209
Jesus and I thought I was dumb as a kid.

[Anonymous No.3503271]

>>3503260
It's not a case of stupidity, the TVs settings were ideal for playing at night with room light on, not with indirect sunlight. That is ALSO what the owner told me when I told him I could not tell if it was working or not: "Ah, let me adjust the TV a little. I play at night most of the time, so that is why it looks so dark"

[Anonymous No.3503339]

>>3495419
>be me
>tfw me
>being me erry day all day
>100% me 100% of the time I can't help myself
>me

[Anonymous No.3503379]

>>3503339
An alternate interpretation to "be me" is basically "considering who/what I am"

[Anonymous No.3503414]

>>3503379
it's unnecessary. you don't need to announce that you're you. no shit. I like to tease every time I see it posted.

I don't see how your interpretation works with op's post.

[Anonymous No.3503439]

post webms

[Anonymous No.3503450]

>>3503414
>>3503379
It actually means "Me when I was an even bigger idiot"

[Anonymous No.3503451]

[Anonymous No.3503463]

This entire thread:

>Hey, I thought needing to fire 5 missiles into a door to open it was stupid and more obtuse than it should be.
>gut gud fgt, your inferior intelect can't comprehend badly designed game mechanics!

[Anonymous No.3503472]

>>3503463
>the side i agree with is 100% rational and calm. the side I disagree with is insane, hostile, and rude.
I hate this me me. stupid ass holier than thou comic artists spread this shitty line of thinking like wildfire.

[Anonymous No.3503478]

[Anonymous No.3503481]

[Anonymous No.3503493]

im lazy and dont know what else to webm bye /vr/

[Anonymous No.3503494]

>>3503463
>WTF how am i supposed to guess what to do? what? it blinks when you shoot it with missiles (literally the only weapon you have besides your basic blaster (which does nothing) when you first encounter said doors)? WTF HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO NOTICE BLINKING THIS GAME SUCKS HOW STUPID
>well, have you ever considered that maybe you're just bad at the game?

Where did this meme come from that having to ever think or pay attention to anything for even a second is bad game design?

[Anonymous No.3503497]

>>3500886
People actually get stuck in Super Metroid?

[Anonymous No.3503501]

>>3495426
oh fuck. this is embarrassing, OP. never show your face here again.

[Anonymous No.3503537]

>>3500886
Let's be honest for a moment.

When a game doesn't have a manual, it fucks you over.

[Anonymous No.3503810]

>>3503537
Specially THIS game

[Anonymous No.3503825]

>>3495419

>be me

back to 9fag buddy, even reddit might reject you

[Anonymous No.3503838]

>>3495419
when you fire a beam at a red door it gives an inert non-responsive reaction.

when you fire a missile the door flashes and it makes a different sound, so no you're just retarded op

[Anonymous No.3503860]

>>3503838
Some would interpret that as "Missiles have different graphic effects" which is perfectly reasonable

[Anonymous No.3503863]

>>3503860
the door flashes. the door has a different effect itself.

[Anonymous No.3503870]

>>3502193
I called them all the time over Shadowgate on the NES.

[Anonymous No.3504184]

>>3503494
>Where did this meme come from that having to ever think or pay attention to anything for even a second is bad game design?
It's the hipsters and underages who are playing the classics for the first time.

[Anonymous No.3504224]

>>3503537
I never had a manual for SM and I never had these issues.

And the virtual console releases DO come with manuals BTW.

[Anonymous No.3504251]

As a speedrunner of this game, I always laugh when people talk about this game's design and all the complaints about things that are literally non-issues. Get good.

[Anonymous No.3504279]

>>3495419
>>3494173

love these autistic OP's

[Anonymous No.3504442]

>>3495426

What if it was 1997 and you had only the cartridge?

[Anonymous No.3504702]

>>3503209
That has nothing to do with you not being able to distinguish between 2 completely different colors. What are you, some kind of dog?

[Anonymous No.3504709]

>>3503271
>>3501859
Point B was valid, actually. Please in2readingcomprehension

[Anonymous No.3504713]

>>3504442
Call the Nintendo hotline like every other kid back then did when they were stuck. And buy your games with the manuals next time.

[Anonymous No.3504718]

>>3504442
When I first played the game I didn't have a manual, and I never had these problems. I was 10 btw.

[Anonymous No.3504795]

>>3503497
I think the noob tube got me. Didn't really know when to head to Maridia. Other than that nothing much that I recall.

[Anonymous No.3504962]

>>3499040
What about a loveable talking alien companion that yells out:

>"SAMUS, SAMUS I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU SHOOT THAT DOOR 5 TIMES WITH YOUR MISSILES "
>"5 AS IN THE AMOUNT OF FINGERS ON YOUR HAND"
>"JUST SHOOT IT 4 MORE TIMES YOU FUCKING CUNT"

[Anonymous No.3504970]

>>3504962
That would be nice. They could call it Adam.

[Anonymous No.3504971]

>>3495419
>>Game does not communicate using five missiles to open doors in any way.

Obviously the sound and visual cue is different, so the game does give you a cue.

In addition posted pic is literally from the manual.

[Anonymous No.3505095]

>>3495419
How the fuck was I supposed to know to jump over or on the goomba here?!?
The game gives no fucking indication you can must or even can do that.
I'm glad that I fucking dropped this shit game because of this artificial difficulty bullshit.

This is how you sound like and it's also the reason modern games hold your hand all the way from start to finish.

[Anonymous No.3505120]

>>3500886
>y cant metroid crawl?

Fucking faggots, just like OP.

[Anonymous No.3505473]

>>3505095
>This is how you sound like and it's also the reason modern games hold your hand all the way from start to finish.
More like the reason he's like this is because modern games hold your hand.

[Anonymous No.3505495]

>>3505095
The way Mario is designed is actually very, very deliberate.
https://youtu.be/dBmIkEvEBtA

>This is how you sound like and it's also the reason modern games hold your hand all the way from start to finish.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA play some better fucking games, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3505513]

>>3495513
Pic is the only true example.

For red doors if the player isn't retarded he would discover a special sound when a missile hit the door inciting him to throw some other to see was happen.
Moreover every other blue doors you met opened when you hit them with normal beam, so red doors are litteraly inciting you to shoot them with a special attack.

[Anonymous No.3506418]

>>3504702
No, but you must be, son of a bitch.

>>3504709
Actually, invalid. The settings were on average, but TVs back then weren't ultra HD and shit, so you could have a dimly lit room with some and cant see shit, but have a SUN IN YOUR FACE and see with everything with others.

Also remember: The owner had the IDEAL settings for playing at night with the room's light, not with the sunlight.

[Anonymous No.3506423]

>>3504971
The flickering is barely noticeable... And I do believe it "disappears" if there's a motion blur or any sort of interframe blending (specially the later, as several old TV sets had those.

[Anonymous No.3506752]

>>3506423
It's only "barely noticeable" if you're blind or were playing on a tv whose settings have been nigged to hell.

I'm sorry you had to play on such a shit TV.

[Anonymous No.3506758]

>>3495419
>be me

[Anonymous No.3506797]

>>3506758
>being bald

[Anonymous No.3506846]

>>3506797
wasnt me

[Anonymous No.3506970]

>>3506418
Yeah, as in the setting were fucked with, making point B 100% valid. And no, CRT tvs weren't dim as shit, and, news flash, that was what was available at the time the game was made. Who are you even trying to fool?

Fucking mutt

[Anonymous No.3507014]

I want /srg/ to get the fuck out of /vr/ forever

just die already

[Anonymous No.3507048]

>>3507014
What if I like Supes Metro ID without being a speedy runner?

[Anonymous No.3507152]

metroid is just baddoom lol

[Anonymous No.3507154]

>>3507014
gonna drop a hot sticky word on this post senpai (short for family)

[Anonymous No.3507175]

>>3506752
Bitch, get an old TV set and try playing on it. I triple dare you!

[Anonymous No.3507179]

>>3506970
No, the settings were ideal for the hour the owner used it. Not for 8 EARLIER.

And you son of a bitch certainly never lived in a 2nd world country where you'd either import lotsa expensive good tvs or buy the cheap national ones.

[Anonymous No.3507216]

>>3507179
No one gives a fuck about how poor your shithole country is. When played on a normal TV with normal settings, it's perfectly easy to tell that the door flashes and makes a sound when you hit it with a missile. If you can't, it's purely your fault for using fucked up equipment and being incapable of reading the manual provided with the game.

[Anonymous No.3507487]

>>3507152
Metroid in the Bedroom

[Anonymous No.3507502]

>game doesn't hold your hand and put a big help message "A RED DOOR! I HEARD YOU NEED FIVE MISSILES TO OPEN THIS!" in your face
Modern idiot gamers in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.3507847]

>>3507179
As in they had been fucked with. Deviated from the factory setting. There is no "ideal setting for night", your little bitch friend just couldn't handle a little light in his face and fucked the settings up. Point B is still valid.

[Anonymous No.3507879]

>>3495419
But what gives it that retro feel?

[Anonymous No.3507932]

>>3507014
"Waaaaah waaaaah I've been exposed!" You've been exposed.

[Anonymous No.3507950]

>>3495419

I was in the same boat as you dude, I played the Prime trilogy years ago, then AM2R and Zero Mission around when the former came out, then Super after for the first time and I was pretty confused by the change from 1 -> 5. You're not alone.

[Anonymous No.3508578]

>>3507879

senpai senpai senpai senpai senpai