Who's your favorite character from the Phantasy Star tetralogy?

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Anonymous Sun Sep 11 23:52:42 2016 No.3491029 [Reply] [Original]

Who's your favorite character from the Phantasy Star tetralogy?

Anonymous Sun Sep 11 23:59:23 2016 No.3491040
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Not exactly a whole lot of character depth going on. I like Wren because he's an unstoppable wrecking machine. I like Demi because its cute how her suit opens up like a beetle's shell when she uses her ultimate attack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:09:26 2016 No.3491050 I've never played this series before. How do I get into it? Just go in order of release? Also what version/rom hack/etc. would be the best. More then likely I'll be emulating so take that into consideration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:11:24 2016 No.3491056 >>3491050 Do you like Chrono Trigger or other SNES RPGs? Play 4 first. Do you like Goldbox or other maze-like oldschool RPGs? Start at the beginning. 4 plays like a mid-90s JRPG, all the others are super oldschool dungeon crawlers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:14:36 2016 No.3491060 >>3491056 >Play 4 first. He's gonna miss out on a lot of references to the older ones, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:14:50 2016 No.3491062 >>3491050 go in order of release. master system version of first game, genny version 2-4

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:15:30 2016 No.3491064

>>3491050
I just finished 2 for the first time. No online guides, made my own maps, etc. Definitely tested my patience at times, but rewarding and fun overall.

Doing 1, now. Same deal: no online help, making my own maps. I did read scans of the US manual and a translated copy of the JP manual. I played 1 before quite a ways, but this time I'm doing it with the SMSPower translation. Big improvement if only in terms of menu aesthetics.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:16:55 2016 No.3491065

>>3491060
Not like it matters. If you like it, you'll play it again. I played it first and played it again after beating the rest of the series.

Nice thing about it is that its relatively short. Once you know what you're doing, replays are well under 20 hours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:22:55 2016 No.3491079 I'll go through them in order. Thanks for the info. Is there and rom translations worth getting or is it fine the way they are originally? I only ask the because Im playing the rom translation for DW3 and that makes a world of difference.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:27:30 2016 No.3491086

>>3491064
>playing blind

That's the way to play it. One of the most fun gaming experiences I've had and I played the game 20 years after it was released.

I'll admit when I replayed it a second time I cheated online a few times though. Climatrol is fucking crazy and even drawing my own maps I think I got luck the first time I ran it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:28:11 2016 No.3491087
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Right now I'm playing Phantasy Star IV, just finished Ladea Tower. It's already a wild ride. And just previously I beat the original w/SMS Power translation, mapping most dungeons. PS1's way more solid and interesting than I expected, and I love how it provides just enough detail to let you fill in the blanks (ex. foreshadowing at Paseo, Twintown and the morgue, inequality on Palma under Lassic's rule, &c.).

Favorite characters in either game so far? Tyron (he gets his shit together and gets the Guns) and Alys/Lyla. Chaz is the runner-up, he must have inspired Vyse's banal item descriptions in Skies of Arcadia. Demi somehow has the smuggest expressions so far.

>>3491079
Use the SMS Power fan patch for Phantasy Star, and remember to enable the Mark III FM synth add-on so you can get better music/sound.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:34:14 2016 No.3491104

>>3491087
>>3491079

Second on the SMSPower translation. It isn't 100% faithful and the original translation isn't as bad as many games from the era, but it changes text to be on two lines, cleans up the font, renames a few things be consistent with the rest of the series. Definitely a step up from the original without ruining the experience in any way.

Off topic: which DWIII patch? SFC or NES?

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:37:27 2016 No.3491108

2's original text is beyond poorly formated. Decent translation for an 80s game but its formatted so bad that you sometimes can't tell for sure which character is supposed to be talking. You can infer it though.

3 doesn't have an interesting or compelling story that you'd care to read anyhow.

For having barely any cutscenes at all, and very little dialog, 2 has one of my favorite jrpg stories. The ending is just so cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 00:52:41 2016 No.3491141 >>3491104 Snes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 01:05:46 2016 No.3491164 File: 1.67 MB, 4032x3024, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And just like that DL the rom already patched and I'm ready to go. I'll do the same as the other anons here and just go blind. I'm printing out some graph paper right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 01:11:39 2016 No.3491172 >>3491164 Good man and godspeed. Oh, and the SMSPower version means it's a Japanese ROM, meaning FM soundtrack. You can force it in your emulator settings or press Start on the title screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 01:16:20 2016 No.3491175 >>3491029 Alys (PSIV) SIGH

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 01:49:15 2016 No.3491225 File: 2 KB, 222x222, Kyra.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491029 Kyra a cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 01:53:00 2016 No.3491232 I'm surprised how good IV is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 02:12:13 2016 No.3491264 I'll tell you who my least favourite is, the wrinkly old bitch at the cloning centre who won't bring Nei back because "not human flesh". YOU DID IT ABOUT 100 TIMES BEFORE!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:45:32 2016 No.3491425 File: 1 KB, 72x104, scene_043.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491029 1. Alys (PSIV) 2. Alis (PSI) 3. Rolf (PSII)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:48:36 2016 No.3491429 >>3491264 you mean the supercomputer that controls all the machines on the planet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:51:05 2016 No.3491430 >>3491264 That plot hole could've been fixed by her simply saying "I'm sorry but Nei's data appears to have been erased from the system".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:54:29 2016 No.3491434 File: 170 KB, 632x901, doujinshi-psall_v8-28.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I: Alis II: Nei III: Mieu IV: Demi

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 04:59:07 2016 No.3491441 File: 36 KB, 480x687, mieu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491434 Nice list.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:07:18 2016 No.3491510
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>>3491050
>Just go in order of release?
If you're a bad enough dude, yes. If you just want an easy to get into RPG then PS4 will accomidate.

Here's the link to the correct version of PS1:
http://www.smspower.org/Translations/PhantasyStar-SMS-EN
If you're not playing this version, with FM sound enabled, you are doing it very wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:08:30 2016 No.3491513 File: 662 KB, 3102x3588, ikuto.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491086 Climatrol is nothing. I blundered my way through it in no time. Try this cunt on for size.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:09:38 2016 No.3491514 File: 718 KB, 1001x1001, 1366223888118.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491029 Have a better version

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:11:05 2016 No.3491515 >>3491429 Your thinking of Mother Brain, the Clone Lab Grandma is the blue-skinned weirdo that raises the dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:12:07 2016 No.3491516 >>3491430 What plot hole? Cloning is a gameplay device, in the story nobody actually ever dies (except that one time in space when everyone dies) except Nei.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:13:21 2016 No.3491517 >>3491086 >>3491513 spent 4 hours in Climatrol. It really was designed to make you run in circles forever. Though when you get lucky you do find the right stairs out of 40 to the goal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:34:02 2016 No.3491523 >>3491516 Except they explicitly take her to the labs instead of, I dunno leaving her there or Climatrol kersploding and leaving her body to be eaten by fishies

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 06:48:59 2016 No.3491529

>>3491523
Yeah, but the story never takes you there before that. So nobody died up until that point, regardless of your gameplay experience.

I didn't mean to imply that cloning isn't an actual thing in the setting, after all your entire party are canon clones by the end.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 07:25:51 2016 No.3491558

>>3491529

I always assumed the clone labs were a bit like the ghola tanks in Dune, and it was the original person/body that gets repaired using cell cloning, its not a completely new person walking out of there. Otherwise, you know, they'd have no memories. Then Data Memory and the Clone Labs would need to merge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 07:37:08 2016 No.3491562 >>3491558 I'm not really sure how it's supposed to work but when the prison sattelite goes down your whole party is incinerated and Tyler somehow restores a backup from just before you died.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 13:46:43 2016 No.3492023
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>>3491513
One of three charts I made for that place. I didn't know what I was looking for, either, so I spent ~6-8 hours making sure I had everything. It was also the first Dezo dungeon I did. Bulked me up too much and made the last few areas a little too easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 13:48:06 2016 No.3492026 File: 3.91 MB, 3006x5344, IMG_20160912_104416542_HDR.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491513 >>3491517 >>3492023 Here is my Climatrol map in comparison.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 12 16:51:18 2016 No.3492309 >>3491513 That one is easy to map and pretty fun to figure out though. It takes time, sure, but its satisfying and logical. Climatrol is a fucking mess.

Anonymous Mon Sep 12 17:06:46 2016 No.3492331

>>3492309
I didn't do a regular map because it can be tough to tell how the floors relate to each other spatially. I had a few maps where I would go up separate steps of stairs and not realize it was connected. The tower with Nei in it was like that for me. I figured making a chart of branching holes would work better, but it kind of backfired. I'd recommend some combo, where you indicate landing points relative to the holes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 03:13:33 2016 No.3493204 >>3492026 Jesus H Christ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 03:18:57 2016 No.3493213 >>3492026 your draftsmanship is fucking horrible

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 03:23:48 2016 No.3493219

>>3492331
It doesn't actually matter, the entire thing is a process of elimination, displaying it in 2D only makes it more complicated. More effective would be a simple verbal list of directions. Write down labels for all the teleporters in the room, circle the one that happens to be correct, cross out the others as you eliminate them.

Or just memorize them, it's not actually that many once you find the correct route.

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 04:21:23 2016 No.3493281

>>3493219
I didn't need the map once I knew the correct route, obviously. I made it to find the correct route and to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I don't really see how a verbal list would be any easier. That's more similar to what I used for the late Dezo palace with the chart I posted above. It works with that one because it's pits are one way: down. Climatrol has lots of loops, and if you don't know how the teleporters relate to each other you can wander in circles thinking you're making progress.

I don't understand how circling the "correct" one would work. You only know it is correct when you find your way to the end. It's more like, go in a teleporter, see three more teleporters. Until you pare all of those down you can't circle anything in your model. It isn't "try a teleporter, immediately hit a dead end, return and cross it out" kind of thing. In fact, with my map I was able to only use about a quarter to a third of the teleporters since I could see how they connected; the bottom half of the page stacks over the top, so the teleporters work more like ladders in real life. PSII is actually pretty good about designing dungeons in that sense. Teleporters don't randomly throw you across the map.

And while Climatrol has a discrete ending, I didn't know that going in. I thought it might have an ending but also chests with key items, or something, so I wanted to cover the whole place. That's part of where my trouble with the Dezo dungeons comes in; nothing tells you if you've finished them. You just go in, get loot, and eventually you have what you need from them, but there's nothing to indicate what specifically you are looking for in each dungeon.

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 05:01:39 2016 No.3493343

>>3492309
I never used maps which is why Ikuto fucked me in the arse. I could use logic, game design knowledge and directional sense to make my way through every other dungeon, no worries, but that one is just a mess of holes and I couldn't deal with it at all. I'm ashamed to say I just looked for a map on the internet for that one. I mean, I love exploring without maps, but that sort of trial and error than punishes you so hard and has 80 different routes to nowhere is just not my idea of fun.

Climatrol though, no worries at all. I'm honestly surprised that one gets so much hate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 05:06:25 2016 No.3493346 >>3493343 I'm the guy with the map of it above. I don't remember it as amongst the hardest despite how serial-rapisty my map looks. I though Ikuto and Nei's tower were harder.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 13:25:59 2016 No.3493796 >>3491225 Why'd you post a pic of Sailor Mercury?

Anonymous Tue Sep 13 16:24:06 2016 No.3494032

>>3493343
I played without maps until I got to the island where you need to find the plant. That was really rough and made me think about digging out the graph paper. Then I reached Climatrol, and that put me over the edge.

No need for maps in 3 and 4. Though I used guides quite a bit for 3. The game is not compelling and setbacks are frustrating rather than compelling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 16:32:22 2016 No.3494037 File: 28 KB, 448x336, 99-Phantasy-Star-4252.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3493796 Kyra is adorable and is the sassy big sister type

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 13 19:09:54 2016 No.3494376 >>3494032 I'm finishing 1, now. I did 2 first. Glad to hear maps aren't (as) necessary in 3 and 4. I'd like to finish the original series, but I've been getting a little tired of mapping.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 00:23:28 2016 No.3494963 File: 62 KB, 640x480, 1375313414453.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How is the PS2 remake of the first game?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 00:25:16 2016 No.3494968 >>3494963 It's shite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 00:36:56 2016 No.3494991 >>3494963 Feels cheap and Myau looks like a dog. Alis' new art is cute and the remix music is good, at least. Now, Generation 2, that's 100% garbage. Bad art, remix music is atrocious.

Anonymous Wed Sep 14 00:53:45 2016 No.3495014
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Great version of PSII's overworld theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNpHhQUo9Ow

>>3494991
They got the PSO illustrator to do the cover art for those releases, which was perfect, but of course the in-game art's cheaper and flat. Still not that bad though.

I'm about to head to Soldiers' Temple in PSIV now. Very fun game. Lassic got robbed of a more interesting prologue/epilogue conversation with your party, he seemed ambiguous and maybe even aware of Dark Force in PS1. Going through the old Air Castle layout, but from overhead, is a cool moment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 01:13:31 2016 No.3495048 File: 9 KB, 160x208, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3495014 >The in-game art's is flat. No it's not, this is flat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 02:52:35 2016 No.3495224 >>3494963 It's a new game with reused level design. There's nothing of the original in it. Avoid like cancerous plague carrying crabs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 03:23:14 2016 No.3495264 File: 636 KB, 1024x1683, Shir_art1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491029

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 04:05:20 2016 No.3495302 File: 30 KB, 141x141, alis6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3494963 Alis's new portrait art is great other than that? Eh. S'okay. 2 was a steaming pile though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 20:31:15 2016 No.3496945 >>3495014 fuck, you beat me to linking that. seems to be based on one of the arrange albums that i can't find anymore, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sBe2-pnlQI this one is pretty good too

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 20:36:28 2016 No.3496969 >>3495302 The sassy Alis portrait picture alone makes the 1 remake worth it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 14 22:15:00 2016 No.3497224 >>3495048 DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 13:49:35 2016 No.3498717

Vahal(la?) Fort was kind of cool, but I wish it had a unique boss fight rather than three Dominators. And now Wren has all the gizmos for world domination. I just need Megid now to use the ultimate combo.

>>3495302
The portraits are standout.

>>3496945
PhantasyStarOST has all the Sound Collection arrangements uploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftGrbTFqVVA

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 16:39:28 2016 No.3499083 >>3498717 this music is what the music from generations should've been

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 19:17:47 2016 No.3499502 File: 184 KB, 282x699, Alys_portrait.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3491029 I started playing the hell mode phantasy star 4 rom hack I always thought Alys was a bad ass and changed my name to Alyssa dont tell anyone

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 19:31:40 2016 No.3499541

>>3494963
>added a goddamn map
>more variety in skills and items
>a few extra enemies
>NPCs have more dialogue, party members actually talk to eachother
>less fumbling through menus

What was wrong with it? I can't believe everyone is saying it's terrible. I mean, it feels a lot different, but everything from the original is still there. If they didn't inexplicably add a ton of NPCs you have to chat with to advance the plot, I wouldn't have a single gripe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 15 19:52:07 2016 No.3499602 >>3491029 Odin's Talking Cat.

Anonymous Thu Sep 15 20:03:51 2016 No.3499625

>>3491029
I liked all the worthless characters in 4. Like Hahn and Gryz. They both had actual storylines, and made me care about them a little bit more than other characters.

Part 3: I a straight Okairofag
Bad ass Rhys, and Nial. Fucking Sari strongest person in the entire PS universe.
Ryan straight bad ass. Siren with the ill red hair.

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 02:45:52 2016 No.3500390

>>3499541
>everything from the original is still there.
Literally nothing but the maps is from the original. You say a few new monsters, but look at the bestiary, there's quite a few missing too and all the monster stats are rebalanced for a modern game with bigger numbers. At the end of the game every character is doing enough damage to one-shot the Master System version of the final boss.
How can it be the same game in any way when the original game mechanics are entirely absent?

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 02:57:30 2016 No.3500420

I was going to post a topic on the Phantasy Star series, but I figured since this topic is active I will ask here.

How is the series?

I heard the first one is a technical marvel for the Sega Master System, but dated game play wise.

I heard the second one was dated.

Third one is bad.

The fourth one I heard is considered to be the best RPG on the Mega Drive/Genesis, but it makes references to its dated predescessors which may take away from fully enjoying the game.

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:08:45 2016 No.3500451

>>3500420
>I heard the first one is a technical marvel for the Sega Master System
Yeah, the smooth scrolling dungeons are pretty amazing. Not even a single game on the Mega Drive or Super Nintendo matches it. Really makes you think.
>but dated game play wise.
It's a very mechanically simple game, yes. Simpler than Final Fantasy 1, about equal to the first couple of Dragon Quests. Simple ain't bad.
>I heard the second one was dated.
PS2 is a lot less unique, more of a Dragon Quest clone but with grating dungeon designs and useless stats (Strength does nothing!). It's still interesting.
>Third one is bad.
No. It is very flawed and unfinished, but bad is a strong word, bruv!
>The fourth one I heard is considered to be the best RPG
We can just end the sentence there and still be accurate.
>references
They are present and it's nice to get the refrences but missing out on a few shout outs won't ruin the game.

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:14:02 2016 No.3500474

>>3500420
I just finished II and then I, in that order, playing blind.

They're great and pretty old. Kind of counterintuitively 1 felt more modern that 2 in a lot of ways. 1st person dungeons crawl is pretty old school, but I felt like it was a little better balanced and more polished. It's definitely the best looking 8-bit RPG, but also possibly the most polished. 1's got some super random bullshit (like damage), but I really enjoyed my time with it.

2 is good, but I found it much more tedious. Both have pretty big non-linear sections, but 1's was more fulfilling, for me. The connections between the 2 story-wise are they're but not especially amazing. Both games have pretty thin, but good, stories.

I want to play 3 and 4, but I'd like to take a break, first. If you have beaten other 8-bit RPGs then you know what to expect. I was able to beat both without looking shit up, but it reaaaaally adds to the game time and makes it a little more tedious. Making maps is great, but I understand people wanting to look shit up.

I started with 2 expecting it to be a bit more refined than 1, but found the opposite to be true. That may or may not matter to you.

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:29:15 2016 No.3500517

>>3500451
> Smooth scrolling dungeons
I've always wondered how they pulled that off. Even PC dungeon crawling RPGs of the time, in which the entire game plays from that perspective, couldn't match PS1s scrolling. Shame they ditched it for the future games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:33:27 2016 No.3500532 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YU6hm50RsA

Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:40:59 2016 No.3500562
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>>3500517
>I've always wondered how they pulled that off.
That was this guy's contribution to the game. He was the Japanese John Carmack, responsible for a lot of Sega coding magic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:41:45 2016 No.3500567 >>3500562 Dude was like, fucking 22 at the time. Crazy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 03:44:08 2016 No.3500575 >>3497224 Dude, everything Genndy designed was flat, Phantasy Star 2 Remake's art was not flat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 16 14:48:16 2016 No.3501339 File: 214 KB, 562x523, douk_heh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VueUScwNakA

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