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3487947 No.3487947 [Reply] [Original]

Was there ever a reason given that Magus couldn't turn Glenn back if just asked politely?

>> No.3487952
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Because he's a BADMAN.

>> No.3487953

>>3487947
Simple answer would be "Turning a human into a frog is much, much easier than turning a frog into a human".

>> No.3487967

>>3487953
"But I am clearly not a frog in the strictest sense. Now that we have defeated Lavos, I would like you to at least try doing it, seeing as how I do not need my deformed amphibian fighting style as much as I did."

>> No.3487992

>>3487947
I kill Magus every time, fuck him

>> No.3488126

>>3487947
Frog mentions a couple times that he actually kinda likes his new form. It might just be weak bantz but there is the chance that Frog has truly self-actualized more strongly as Frog than as Glenn.

>> No.3488160

>>3487947
Because Chrono Trigger is very very over rated, OP.

>> No.3488179

>>3488160
You people that hate this game hate fun. You guys hate life.

>> No.3488201

>>3487947

Magus is an asshole

>> No.3488210

>>3487947
You kill Magus, don't revive Chrono, don't crash the Epoch into Lavos to start the battle.

>> No.3488224

Was there ever a reason given that Magus couldn't turn back into Janus if just asked politely?

>> No.3488259

>>3488224
>Magus couldn't turn back into Janus
What?
Like Marle turning back into Nadia?

>> No.3488583

>>3487947
No. The one big flaw of CT in my opinion. Whether you accepted or rejected Magus's alliance at the cape should have affected whether you got stuck with frog Frog or he got turned back to human.

The real answer is they just didn't want to have to re-do all his techs if got changed back halfway through the game since some relied on him having a long tongue.

>> No.3488630

>>3488583
I miss an uber boss in Chrono Trigger.
Lavos is pathetically easy if you know to how to maximize your characters, you can beat him with Crono alone and even then he's still not hard.
Spekkio's Nu form ain't that hard either, and definetely not rewarding.

>> No.3488637

>>3488630
if you want an uber boss, fight Ocean Palace Lavos. the shell has 30,000 hp and keeps cycling through attacks. I've beaten it, but I had to switch battle time to wait (for the first and only time in the game). the inner forms are the same.

Lavos is not so pathetically easy if you confront him around level 40-50.

>>3488583
that wasn't the only flaw. they didn't use the forest music enough, Woolsey's translation has minor issues, and they should've added a hardmode for more replayability. with that said it's still a masterpiece of gaming.

>> No.3488765
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>>3488637
>if you want an uber boss, fight Ocean Palace Lavos. the shell has 30,000 hp
Whoaaaaa

>> No.3488829

>>3488765
as I was saying, it's way more challenging when you're around Lavos' level (50). the game makes it easy to get way overleveled. when you're level ** you can slice through enemies like a knife through butter.

if you want to fight nu spekkio, I'd recommend using PAR to get there quickly, as black omen runs get tedious after awhile.

>> No.3488834

>>3488829
>The game is challenging if you play under arbitrary restrictions
You don't say.

>if you want to fight nu spekkio
Read nigga, read.

>> No.3488838

>>3488126
I never thought of it this way. I like this solution the best

>> No.3488841

>>3488834
I did read. I agree that nu spekkio is more of an easter egg and not that rewarding, but he's something at least.

the fact remains that if you're that powerful in the ocean palace, you went out of your way to grind in the elevator or somewhere else. if you play through without grinding (not really a llg/arbitrary restriction), then ocean palace lavos is an uber-boss.

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>>3488126
>Needing to become non-human in order be self-actualized

>> No.3489274

>>3489025
He would have lost his incredible jumping ability and his stretchable tongue. But, he could possibly make up with that in developing his magic further. Imagine Water 3.

>> No.3489414

he gets the frog antidote in the anime ending, does that count?

>> No.3489854

>>3489414
No, but I like it better.

>> No.3490253

>>3487947
This Panzer Dragoon Saga and breath of fire are the only jrpgs worth mentioning.

>> No.3490392

>>3488126
What does he self-actualize from?

>> No.3490619

>>3487967
he gets turned back in the animated ending, does one of the old endings have him turned back? I don't remember.

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>>3490253
>hay guise
>I just got here from youtube
>I'm totally 18 or older

>> No.3490668

>>3488583
There is an ending where Frog turns back into Glenn...

>> No.3490721

>>3490668
He turns into green haired Vegeta in Piccolo's mantle.

>> No.3490770

>>3490619
Yeah, I think you have to kill Magus and not revive Crono. There might be another requirement too, but you hardly see anything.

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>>3490619
Yeah, he looks pretty awesome. Sort of disappointed that they had the sprite and then never really used it outside that one scene.

>> No.3492952

>>3492464
It's a travesty what they did to him in the PSX anime ending, with the spikey hair or whatever he had.

>> No.3492960
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>>3492952
Yeah, the anime did him no justice. Outside the hair color, nothing matched.

>> No.3492963

>>3487947
Because he never asked, and he didn't because that would destroy his pride. He'd rather stay as a frog forever than just ask the ex-villain to help him.

>> No.3492978

>>3492963
We don't really know how Frog feels about Magus.

>> No.3492980

>>3492978
Well, that sure is how I see it.

>> No.3493003

>>3492978

His whole life's missions was to avenge the death of his best friend who died at Magus's hands.

We very clearly know what Frog thinks about Magus. Intense seething hatred.

>> No.3493078

>>3493003
>We very clearly know what Frog thinks about Magus.
We don't. This is not an adult drama, it's a game aimed for teenagers with Toriyama's goofy art-style. Frog canonically gave up from killing Magus.

We don't even know if Magus was in fact evil or just indifferent. Sure he killed Cyrus, but it was Cyrus who went after Magus' head.

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>>3487947
>it's another autistic role-playing ''''game'''' thread on /vr/

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>>3493087
Seems to me like another person calling something autistic to appease the redundant counterculture he's part of.

>> No.3493745
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>>3487947
Yeah it's called bad writing.

JRPGs are full of it.

>> No.3493758

thead theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpw6Lt6USrs

>> No.3493768

>>3493745
>video games are full of it.

ftfy

>> No.3493958

>>3493768
>tfw there are no good video game stories

I guess MGS1 comes the closest. It's honestly pretty down to Earth and believable. I could see it written into a novel if Tom Clancy or someone had done it. But then MGS2 onward just goes batshit insane and ruins the tone.

RDR wasn't too bad, but not too amazing either. Kind of generic western story.

As far as RPGs go I'd put Chrono Trigger at or near the top. It's pretty cool with the mix of time periods and the cast is pretty good too.

>> No.3494552

>>3493958
>MGS is "down to earth"
Do you even listen to yourself?

>> No.3494569

>>3493958
There are some games (mostly Western RPGs) that actually have good stories and writing. Like Planescape: Torment for instance.

>> No.3494587

>>3494552
What is weird about it? It's sci-fi, so if you can accept some future technology like cloak suits and mechas it's not too far fetched. It's really tame compared to MGS3 where it's got a guy who spits bees at you and shapes swarms of them into the shape a tommy gun.

>> No.3494626

>>3493078
I think he only stopped going after Magus out of respect for the rest of the party. Deep down he still hates his guts, but he understands the circunstances and everyone else's decision.

>> No.3494636

>>3494587
Yeah floating psychics, nuclear robots, cyber ninjas, and clones fighting clones are totally believable. Not to mention targeted diseases, PMCs taking over a US military base, one of those clones killing a guy and taking his place in a really overly convoluted ploy to fool the infiltrator...about theonly thing realistic is snow in Alaska but even that depends on time of year.

>> No.3494643

>>3489274
that's another minor flaw in CT, no ultimate water spell.

>> No.3494671

>>3494636
Psycho Mantis was based on remote viewers employed by the military in the 60s and 70s, and maybe even later. Whether they were legit or not we don't know but the military did have so-called psychics on payroll.

Nuclear robots, not hard to imagine as being possible. We could probably build one now but it wouldn't do much walking around.

Cyber ninjas, as I said it's sci-fi, so it's not there yet but they have artificial eyes now that let blind people "see" (vague black/white shapes) so improvements to prosthetics and artificial components will only get better.

Clones are already real. We can clone animals so there's nothing to say we can't do a person too outside of morality.

I doubt Foxdie could work exactly as they say it does in the game because Kojima is not a real microbiologist, but changing a virus' DNA to make it only target specific other strands certainly sounds possible, if not now then soon. If they can insert jellyfish DNA into rats to make them glow in the dark I don't see how genetic viruses are too far fetched.

Again, compare all this to spitting tamed bees or a literal ghost man or a man able to shoot lightning from his body at will. MGS1 is really realistic in comparison.

>> No.3495654

>>3487947
Frog didn't really want to. He admitted that he's thankful for his new form.

>> No.3496813

>>3487947
Because I killed that nigga when we crossed paths again. Had to do it, for the home boy Cyrus.

>> No.3496819

>>3496813
Ever heard of forgiveness? even though I killed him too.

>> No.3496919

>>3495654
I think he was just being sarcastic. He lived in a hole in the ground with bugs and shit. No way he was happier like that.