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3447723 No.3447723 [Reply] [Original]

Did you have the misfortune of growing up with NTSC to play your games, /vr/?

>> No.3447726

>>3447723
Yeah but at least I'm white

>> No.3447728

>>3447723
Yeah, I never got to experience the bliss of 50hz refresh rates

>> No.3447732

>>3447728
You also never got to experience the bliss of higher definition analogue TV and beautiful auto-tinting colours.

>> No.3447735

Multinorm TV master race.

PAL colors for regular TV and movies, NTSC refresh rate for japanese video games.

>> No.3447754

>>3447723
>>3447735
>white
>Multinorm TV master race

Thanks for making me feel so good about myself.

>> No.3447773

I didn't play games on TV like a pleb.

>> No.3447774

50Hz forever.

>> No.3447797

>>3447723
I was a PC player so I've never experienced pleb dilemmas.

>> No.3447807

Without it, my Apple II couldn't display any color and I couldn't import Japanese games.

>> No.3447823

>>3447723
>Playing games at a retarded speed
https://youtu.be/_r8NJnzzzRY

You people need serious help.

>> No.3447827

>>3447732
Literally not even problems on color TVs not made in the 70s PAL damage control is fucking pathetic.

>> No.3447856

>>3447797
>PC
>games

kek

>> No.3447871

>>3447797
Except there are issues with Commodore games, as it was expected that the user would hook it up to a TV and so there were both 50 hz and 60 hz versions and the majority of games are 50 hz only.

>> No.3448105

>>3447797
You need a tv for computers, too.
>>3447807
That's no loss. Apple and Japanese games can fuck right off.

>> No.3448120
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3448120

>>3448105
>Japanese games can fuck right off.

You mean you dislike a vast majority of the best /vr/ titles?

>> No.3448125

>>3448120
I dislike Japanese games. Don't get too upset, drone.

>> No.3448135

>>3447871
>and the majority of games are 50 hz only

Probably about 80% of C64 games worth bothering with are NTSC titles.

>> No.3448137

why haven't 3rd world 50hzfags killed themselves yet?

>> No.3448142

>>3448135
>worth bothering with
Good cover, Amerishart.

>> No.3448148

>>3448125

suck on my dick, choke on it.

>> No.3448149

Microprose, Sierra, LucasArts, Epyx, Broderbund, EA, and Synapse titles, all NTSC, all essential C64 gaming.

>> No.3448154

>>3448149
>point and click adventure garbage and simulator garbage
>''''''essential''''''

>> No.3448176

>>3448154
The Top 10 Game List on Lemon64 has:

*Zak McKracken
*Maniac Mansion
*Wasteland
*Pirates!
*Ikari Warriors Plus
*The Last Ninja 2
*Ultima IV
*Prince of Persia
*Ultima V
*Archon

Eight of these are NTSC games. Check. Mate.

>> No.3448184

>>3448176
>e-celeb opinions matter when I agree with them

>> No.3448186

The top 10 on Gamebase 64, there is only a single PAL game listed (Flimbo's Quest)

>> No.3448195

>>3448176
Now this is keeping in mind that most of the people on there are Yuropoors, so this isn't skewed by American votes.

>> No.3448239

>>3447823
>tfw Britbong
>No gaems
>PAL region
>Most games released here had this shit
Why even live?

>> No.3448473

>>3447723
Nigger I grew up with PAL and it was a slow piece of shit. It took until games stopped being in the /vr/ range to get normal speeds. So go fuck yourself trying to push stupid memes.

PAL was shit, plain and simple.

>> No.3448571

Best childhood = The silky smooth 60fps of NTSC combined with the genital integrity of Europe.

Canada master race.

>> No.3448580

>tfw your reaction times as an adult are lower due to growing up on 50hz PAL games

>> No.3448584

>>3448580
*slower

>> No.3448589

>>3448571
>genital integrity of Europe
That's a disturbing mental image right there.

>> No.3448596

>>3448473
I guess you were a console kiddy.

>> No.3448835

>>3448596
Yep. PCs were very expensive in my country until about the PSX era. Nowadays I mostly play PC. No more having to deal with shitty PAL standards, too.

>> No.3448841

>>3448105
>You need a tv for computers, too.
Not if you wanted quality.

>> No.3448850

>>3447723
PAL60 > PAL50 optimized game > never the same colour

fact

>> No.3448851

>>3447723
better dead than red

>> No.3448853

>>3448589
It's just a guy thing.

>> No.3448953

>>3448850
NTSC > butchered lower resolution 50Hz games. Sorry, you lose.

>> No.3448962

>>3448953
erm, PAL is in a higher resolution than NTSC ...

>> No.3449079

>>3447728
>you will never have black bars on all of your games
>you will never play games at a slower speed than their developers intended
Just fuck my life up. ;_;

>> No.3449084

>>3449079
Oh and...
>you will never have to sit through an additional anti-piracy warning before the game actually starts
God I can't take the feels no more.

>> No.3449085

>>3449084
You mean cracktros? Those are like the opposite of an anti-piracy warning.

>> No.3449086
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3449086

>>3449085

>> No.3449087

>>3449086
Never seen those before.

>> No.3449090

>>3449087
It's a PAL thing, you wouldn't understand. :(

>> No.3449104

>>3447723
Enjoy your 50 frames per second.

>> No.3449107

>>3449104
The human eye can't see above 24fps anyway. Which is why movies are shot at that framerate.

>> No.3449602
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3449602

>>3447723
Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil and Uruguay are NTSC though.

>> No.3449635

>north korea and vietnam
I don't get get it.

>> No.3449671

>>3448962
Not for games, which never made use of the extra resolution. Unless you count black bars. Which you probably would, palfaggot.

>> No.3449681
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3449681

>>3449602

>> No.3449904

>>3449671
But some games do. Like Ecco Tides of Time and Goldeneye.

Interesting enough, using PAL's extra resolution was actually rather common in 6th gen for games that didn't have PAL60.

>> No.3449927

>>3449079
Some emulators have a PAL mode. For example some NES ones let you play at 50 if you want nostalgia.

>> No.3449936

>>3449927
PAL mode is only useful when emulating stuff like a Commodore 64 that has a lot of PAL-dependent games.

>> No.3450037

>>3449107
This anon sees car wheels as moving backwards.

>> No.3450040

>>3449602
But brazil is PAL-M (sort of like PAL-60, but an actual standard and not a hack only implemented by games consoles). They basically tacked PAL color on top of System M (the black & whites of NTSC).

>> No.3450068

>>3447723
>Did you have the misfortune of growing up with NTSC

Yep and, 60hz s-video in 1989, PIP tuners, hifi audio and all that other terrible shit. It was unbearable growing up with an a/v nerd dad.

>> No.3450074

>>3450068
Nintendo supposedly found through surveys than less than 20% of NES owners connected their consoles with the composite out instead of the RF switch.

>> No.3450075

>>3450068
Stop lying, cunt. S-video didn't exist in '89.

>> No.3450080

>>3450075
The S-video standard was formalized in 1987, but some stuff like the Commodore 64 could output it even before that (but not with the 5-pin DIN plug).

>> No.3450203
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3450203

>>3449107
>Which is why movies are shot at that framerate.
They're actually shot that way because film stock was once very expensive and 24 FPS was the bare minimum you could use while having smooth motion. Tape used on television wasn't nearly as costly and could easily handle 30 FPS or even 60 FPS, but because tape was used to record things like sitcoms and soap operas viewers subconsciously associate it with low production values, which is why many dramas are shot at 24 FPS to give them a "cinematic" feel. 24 FPS also makes special effects, namely CGI, much easier to render and integrate so it's still used in films.

>> No.3450212

>>3450074
Why do normies hate technology?

>> No.3450227

>>3450203
I wonder if people playing silky-smooth 60fps games have the same mindset

>> No.3450235

>>3450075
>Stop lying, cunt. S-video didn't exist in '89.

I bought an S-VHS player in 1988 that came with S-Video output. Literally the first thing I did when I moved out of home.

>> No.3450490

>>3447723
Please don't bully the Americans, it's not their fault they're always behind in everything.

>> No.3450495

>>3450212

Because it's expensive. In the 80s, most TVs people had only used RF.
Many people got access to composite through VCRs, not TVs.

>> No.3450567

>>3447723
kill yourself

>> No.3450616

>>3447723
>Did you have the misfortune of growing up in a 1st world country?
Yes

>> No.3450632

>>3447723
>Poorfags Always Lagging
>good

>> No.3450647

>>3448120
he's aus-kun

>> No.3450689

>>3447723
why was Burma NTSC, seems kinda random

>> No.3450804

It's like I'm really on /v/.

>> No.3450823

>>3447723
I hope you're red or else you fucking suck at RISK

>> No.3450838

>>3449086
>>3449087
>>3449090
The odd thing is I'm an Amerifag and I've seen those.....

>> No.3450861

>>3450689
because Pacific War

>> No.3451013

>>3450689
A long time ago, I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with superior refresh rates.

>> No.3451015

>>3449107
as someone that plays fps games on pc quite a bit that's horse shit

>> No.3451616

>>3450616
>murica
>first world
Maybe Canada. And Central Europe.

>> No.3451693

PAL-M Master Race reporting in.

>> No.3451706
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3451706

>we could have had higher resolution retro games if it wasn't for those fucking americans

Life isn't fair

>> No.3451725

>>3449904
>Interesting enough, using PAL's extra resolution was actually rather common in 6th gen for games that didn't have PAL60.

Too bad you got locked out of using progressive scan options in most games. NTSC versions of games almost all had a 480p mode.

>> No.3451730

>>3451725
You can bring those modes back with homebrew, even on the original PAL discs.

576p is possible, even.

>> No.3451739

>>3451706
How is that their fault?

>> No.3451740

>>3449107
Oh look, it's this meme again.
>>3450227
You're lying through your asshole if you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps.

>> No.3451749

>>3451730
Yeah, which I'm sure you did when those games were released right?

Enjoy jumping through hoops to unlock shit we had out of the box.

>> No.3451753
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3451753

>>3451706
>mfw when we could have uniform higher refresh rates and earlier progressive scan if it wasn't for Eurocucks

>> No.3451761

>>3451749
Typical lazy Amerifat.

>> No.3451765

>there are people on /vr/ so inept that they think installing a 60hz mod on consoles is literally impossible

You can't make this shit up. Americucks are hilarious.

>> No.3451773

>>3451765
I like how Saturn's 60hz mod is so easy you don't even need to open the console to do it.

>> No.3451774

you faggots view yourselves as something above /v/ but you still give more attention to obvious bait threads than they do

>> No.3451776

I have a modded PAL PS2 and I play burned NTSC games.
Am I doing it wrong?

>> No.3451782

>>3451761
Typical poor eurocuck.

>> No.3451786
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3451786

>>3451765
What'd you expect from the nation that banned Kinder Surprises?

>> No.3451793

>>3451782
>Europe
>poor

how's not being in the top ten GDP countries going for you, murrka?

>> No.3451797

I'm surprised Australia-kun manages to get such a consistently massive response with these PAL vs NTSC threads.

He really is a master shitposter, thanks to you fags.

>> No.3451798

>>3450495
Then...they didn't have access to composite.

>> No.3451805
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3451805

>>3451797
>it's another "paranoid-schizoid thinks every baitposter is some samefag I gave a le so funny nickname to" episode

>> No.3451806

>>3451793
How's mudslime immigration treating you, eurocuck?

>> No.3451809

>>3451806
How's mexicans stealing your jerbs treating you, Americuck?

>> No.3451814

>>3451805
Well when you use that same anime character each time, it's pretty obvious. But good job on the thread.

>> No.3451824

>>3451809
Don't forget getting shot by a gang of niggers just because you stepped out on your front porch.

Living in the US must be horrible.

>> No.3451837

>>3451805
>australia-kun calling other people paranoid-schizoid

We're laughing at you in the secret mod IRC channel

>> No.3451843

>>3451837
Secret mod channel was just another one of his ruses, like liking Amigavania. Good job taking the bait, idiot.

>> No.3451848

>>3451843

Who cares, it's fun to fuck with australia's schizism.

>> No.3451853

>>3451848
He's probably better off IRL than the people who obsess over him.

>> No.3451856

>>3451853

He makes shitposting marathons that last whole week ends. I doubt he's very sane IRL.

>> No.3451858

>>3451853

You aren't fooling anyone australia.

>> No.3451860

>>3451856
How do you know you're not just confusing multiple posters with him?

>> No.3451864

>>3451860

Because We can see his IP :)

>> No.3451865

>>3451853
>defending the worst shitposter on /vr/

Kill yourself. Not even mad, just end your oxygen consumption.

>> No.3451868
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3451868

>>3451864
Holy shit! Are you a l33t 4chan hacker?

>> No.3451872

>>3451865
Australia-kun did nothing wrong.

>> No.3451879

>>3451872

He's not very creative and repeats his "memes" a lot. He's a low quality shitposter. The only reason people notice his shitposting is because /vr/ is a slow board and he shitposts pretty much every single day.

He's no Lancedjack.

>> No.3451882

>>3451879
LancedJack wasn't creative either. He would just spam Lucky Star reaction images and call it a day.

>> No.3451886

>>3451882

He became the most famous /v/ troll back then, and /v/ is no small board.

>> No.3451890

>>3451886
Well, that was from a time where anon vs. tripfag drama was still popular.

Besides, it was really easy to trigger /v/ with moeshit back then, around the time they thought they were manly for liking Gurren Lagann and HnK.

>> No.3451897

>>3451890

Triggering /vr/ is really easy too.
In fact, australia's bait became obsolete.
In that regard, the overrated games guy sill has more success than australia.

But still you can't compare a real troll like Lancedjack to an amateur like australia-kun.

>> No.3452428

>>3448850
High framerate PC games > RGB60 > PAL60 > NTSC > shit > RGB50 > PAL

And this true even if the game is "PAL optimized".

>> No.3452512

>>3452428
>he fell for the "you can actually see above 60fps" meme

>> No.3452817

>>3452512
>he's retarded and thinks refresh rate is fps

>> No.3452823

>>3452817
>implying it's not

Try to get higher than 50fps on PAL, I dare you.

>> No.3452847

>>3452817
>>3452823
You can have a framerate beyond your screens refresh rate but it has no impact on the displayed image nor game fluidity.

>> No.3453620

>>3452823
I'm not implying anything sport. I'm saying fps and refresh rate are two different things. Which is a fact. And that you're retarded. Also a fact.

>> No.3453638

>>3453620
For all intensive purposes, your refresh rate will bottleneck the FPS, so in this context, yes, they are the same. No matter how high the FPS is, it'll always be stuck at less than 50 on PAL.

>> No.3453718
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3453718

>>3452512
You're blind or Reddit-tier retarded (pic related) if you can't see the difference between 60fps and 144fps.

>> No.3454235

>>3453718
It's a placebo, mate. Like 4k monitors.

>> No.3454243

>>3453638
>all intensive purposes

>> No.3454257

>>3449602
Uruguay is PAL-M officially, but consoles were always NTSC because most TVs were multisystem

>> No.3455338

STUPID QUESTION AHEAD
what's the difference between ntsc and pal? And why do they exist?

>> No.3455357
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3455357

>>3455338
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pal+ntsc+differences

>> No.3455523

>>3455357
So in other words PAL > NTSC? why isn't everything just PAL?

>> No.3455527

>>3455523
Shit for games because it means 50hz instead of a smooth 60hz.

>> No.3455530

>>3455527
theres nothing wrong with 50fps games

hell, most games nowadays are barely above 30

>> No.3455539

>>3455530
Yeah but it makes already low FPS games worse because of vsync.