/CRT/ Thread : great spaghetti edition

[Anonymous No.3416640]

Previous thread >>3393957
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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[Anonymous No.3416839]

No idea what to play lately. Thinking about replaying PDS in Japanese for moonrune studies. God I love PDS. My favorite game.

[Anonymous No.3416854]

Remember never to fall for the scart meme.

[Anonymous No.3416902]

>>3416854
So, lets say I want to make direct console - BNC cables for use with Extron switch and PVM.
Not really because of "memes" but because 10 female SCART - BNC connectors are going to look silly.

Using Megadrive 1 as example, I need 8-pin DIN, BNC connectors and crimping tools. And 75 Ohm mini coax cable with 4 individually shielded wires (R, G, B, S).
Console - SCART cable has 75 Ohm resistors and 220 uF capacitors on these lines. Resistors are not required for 75 Ohm coaxial cables, but what about capacitors?
Guess I can add small box with components required (not really different from SCART shell), I can drill holes for each signal (somewhat messy).
Cutting traces from PCB to AV port and soldering required components in between will ruin compatibility with consumer TVs with SCART inputs.

[Anonymous No.3416904]

>>3416854
Why can't I just use SCART and SECAM in peace?

[Anonymous No.3416909]

>>3416902

Just ignore those posters. They parrot "don't fall for the SCART meme" without knowing why they're saying it or are uninterested in listening to why people would choose SCART cables and instead are just trying agitate or make themselves feel superior about their choice to use non-SCART connections.

[Anonymous No.3416913]

>>3416902
Why not just get a SCART switcher? With the output being a scart to BNC?

[Anonymous No.3416923]

Hey everyone. Kinda new here, but I picked up a PVM-2030 A while back and finally got around to getting the 25 pin dsub-SCART adapter and some cables for my PSX and SNES. What I noticed is that both the screen position and the convergence needs to be slightly adjusted, but I have no idea where to even begin. The PDF's I find on google don't mention any kind of pots or switches for that stuff.

[Anonymous No.3416925]

>>3416923
convergence is done on the rings (and is a total pain to do) and/or with magnets.

[Anonymous No.3416931]

>>3416902
On second thought, I can cut traces and add 220 uF capacitors. And use console - BNC cables with Extron and SCART cables with capacitors removed from the SCART male shell on my consumer CRT.

But that's not just "lol make your cables", that also involves extensive console modding. Anyone can build SCART - BNC adapter. This is much harder.

>>3416913
Isn't gscartsw the only decent (quality) switch with 8 inputs and everything else is kind of bad? And it lacks manual switching and only has one output. And always sold out.
Extron units are like 150 USD to ship to my country, but have lots of inputs and outputs, and I can use free ports as audio setup switch.

[Anonymous No.3416934]

>>3416925
>Update
Well to be honest it's not awful, but the screen position is really the problem. That black bar along the side really gets at my OCD lol

[Anonymous No.3416940]

Sup /vr/ I heard you like CRTs

[Anonymous No.3416969]

>>3416854
>Remember I'm a poor fag that cant into expenssive properly shielded scart cables and switches with gold plated connections so I dont want any one to do so either

It was the best investment in gaming I did, SCART + BVM Proffessional monitor is overkill
I use it from the Nes up to the Wii and non HD sony consoles. The first time you see the games running with stunning sharp a cristal clear picture yeahh you would fall for the SCART meme easy peasy dude.

I'm not rich, it took more than one year to buy everything. Each month I bought a cable for one console, a professional monitor, a scart switch, you dont need to spend all your savings doing this at once.

[Anonymous No.3416976]

>>3416969
Whats with the 2 ps2's lad?

[Anonymous No.3416993]

>>3416976
You didn't spot the PlayStation and PSOne?

Redundant redundancy is redundant...unless he's running FHDB on the fat PS2, in which case it's fine but not retro

[Anonymous No.3416996]

>>3416976
Both of them works, I softmodded the Phat one to play games with the hard drive so I could spare my still working DVD drive. The slim was a gift from my father when he was alive, and this slim was my first console before everything you see in this picture. What you see in this picture is 12 years of collecting.

[Anonymous No.3417004]

>>3416993
how do you knew that. Not retro but for retro, there is an entire collections of Arcade, Neo Geo,Genesis ,Sonic and Mega Man , Taito, SNK, Capcom collections in this HD, I use OPL tu run them

[Anonymous No.3417006]

>>3416996
Fair enough lad, was just wondering why you'd have a slim as well.
>>3416993
No idea how i didn't spot that.

[Anonymous No.3417067]

>>3416969
I get scarf for other retro consoles. But when it comes to NES and N64 I'll stick with the hdmi mod. Sick picture and no input lag works for me.

Then again I guess I'm not too retro since I don't care about SEGA this or turbo duo etc. I'll use component for GameCube and ps2(even though I heard scart looks slightly slightly better on ps2 than component)

[Anonymous No.3417068]

>>3417067
>scarf
Kms

[Anonymous No.3417084]

>>3417004
It's cool man, I was just messing.

I have a similar PS2 setup myself actually with a 500GB SATA laptop drive, mostly to play retro collections and the like.

[Anonymous No.3417176]

Got an issue with a commodore 1701 monitor where every now and then the picture will start flickering and wavering. It'll usually go away after a few minutes but it's annoying, that's for sure. Is this an issue with solder joints around the (front) inputs or with the caps? I guess I'll know for sure once my s-video splitter comes and I can properly use the rear inputs.

[Anonymous No.3417192]

>>3417067
>hdmi mod
>no input lag

[Anonymous No.3417237]

>>3417084
Thats a fucking cool set-up. Maybe this is a stupid question, but doesnt that damage the CRT? Also- how?

[Anonymous No.3417246]

>>3416969
Fuck thats a pretty setup dude. But dont you get neck strain looking at that LCD? Or, if you play it from afar, dont you find everything kind of distracting?

[Anonymous No.3417254]

Which of the three is best and worst?

[Anonymous No.3417264]

Hey guys! Friendly reminder for all you retro gamers that a classic consumer CRT hooked up with composite or Svideo is the way your old games were meant to be played! Catch ya in the video-world!

[Anonymous No.3417337]

>>3416976
>>3417006
>lad
stop

[Anonymous No.3417347]

>>3416854
Please use a trip im tired of seeing this

Please

[Anonymous No.3417364]

>>3417337
Why?

[Anonymous No.3417394]

>>3417254
Apeture > Slot > Shadow

[Anonymous No.3417415]

>>3417237
No it doesn't damage anything. A lot of arcade machines used standard tubes in tate configurations...

It's just a simple loop through from the first BVM. Nothing fancy though I could lose the second control unit and just run both (or more, I have four of these now) from a single source.

[Anonymous No.3417425]

>>3417415
I just got a PVM but havent been able to use it yet. Is there an option to change the orientation? Are there any games other than shmups that benefit from it?

[Anonymous No.3417431]

Help me lads. I'm moving and this is my new unit for my consoles and such. What size CRT do you recommend I get alongside my flatscreen? I have an 18 inch crt at my folks but I think I can go for something a bit smaller. Or is there a flatscreen that plays retro vidya now just fine without lag?

[Anonymous No.3417437]

>>3417431
I would look for a 13" with at least s-video

[Anonymous No.3417438]

>>3417425
You need a compatible game, it has nothing to do with the monitor itself.

Some console ports support tate but your best bet is probably mame. Mostly shooters tbqh.

[Anonymous No.3417439]

>>3417431
Forgot my pic

[Anonymous No.3417456]

>>3417439
>>3417437
desu squeezing a CRT in there isnt gonna look good
This is the one situation where I would actually recommend a scaler and a TV with low-ish lag.

[Anonymous No.3417462]

>>3417456
I can push the shelving unit either to the left or to the right and it'll open up a little bit of space for a stand and a small TV.

I don't want going for a flatscreen if there's minimal lag. I just fucking hate lag. What do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.3417493]

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/5724823373.html

I kinda really want this. The only other sets this big are the Sony HD units, and this one is 15Khz only, so would be good for vidya. I can probably live with S-video, but the price he's asking is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.3417527]

What model WEGA is this? The top edge of the TV is a lot sharper than a lot of the other WEGA's I've seen.

[Anonymous No.3417530]

>>3417527
Forgot pic.

[Anonymous No.3417531]

>>3417493
>http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/5724823373.html
That is an awfully high asking price especially since he ain't delivering or moving.

Being a Cincinnati man myself why don't you check out some of the thrift shops. I just picked up my first trinitron, and a reeeeeeally good looking toshiba 14" for my desk the other day for $5 a piece at the salvation army in Eastgate. I know it's not retro but I picked up a working fat PS2 with no cords for 3 bucks and ordered the rest of what I needed to hard drive it (already have spare power and AV)> Thrifting ain't as good around here as it used to be but there are still some great finds and enough old people for decent yard sales on the weekends.

Found my SNES with a couple of games in a generic cardboard box at a yardsale labeled "old plug and play games" at a yard sale. Elderly couple wanted $15 for the box.

The only place I would avoid is the Goodwill on 125 (there is never anything there....EVER).

[Anonymous No.3417539]

>>3417527
No sticker on the back anywhere? Also for the love of god rent you a carpet cleaner man.

[Anonymous No.3417552]

>>3417539
It's not my house, boy. It's an ad on Craigslist.

[Anonymous No.3417579]

>>3417439
Agreed with >>3417456, CRT tubes are super deep and heavy. That entertainment center is aimed at slim, lightweight HDTVs, not 100 lbs. Sony Trinitrons.

[Anonymous No.3417591]

>>3417084
Little jealous of this. Had the same idea but lacking a second BVM of the same size :/

[Anonymous No.3417656]

>>3416923
Helped a friend with his a couple months back, I pulled the back off and had him spot any changes as I twisted pots. (Just so I wouldn't shock myself while checking)

[Anonymous No.3417676]

>>3417656
Oh neat. So there are more controls tucked away inside. Well heres hoping I don't shock myself to death. Hopefully this isn't too difficult.

[Anonymous No.3417679]

>>3416902
>Resistors are not required for 75 Ohm coaxial cables,
They are required.

[Anonymous No.3417686]

>>3416969
You BVM setup works in spite of the scart meme, not because of it.

[Anonymous No.3417692]

How is the contrast on HD CRTs? if shit then why?

I'd really like to watch widescreen movies without letterboxing.

Maybe I should just find a VA panel TV

[Anonymous No.3417736]

>>3417192
Yup no input lag. Sorry you're stuck in a time where hdmi mods are shit. Present day the definitive hdmi mod for n64 is capable of CRT style input lag

[Anonymous No.3417742]

>>3417736
>CRT style input lag
No such thing.
LCDs have input lag, CRTs don't period.

[Anonymous No.3417747]

>>3417579
>>3417579
So what do you recommend? Are there any flatscreens that are /vr/ approved?

[Anonymous No.3417752]

has any technology come to light in the last 5-10 years that would make CRT screens easier to produce or not as deep or lower power?

like if sony was to make a CRT today, what would they do differently?

[Anonymous No.3417768]

>>3417439
Heads up. I have that same IKEA shelf and I adore it but you are NOT getting a CRT of any kind on there.

[Anonymous No.3417775]

>>3417747
Bravias are some dope shit.

[Anonymous No.3417782]

>>3417747
You can look up the lag of TVs online, I would recommend an IPS panel with the lowest lag you can find.

VA panel's contrast will more resemble a CRT, but the lag will be worse.

You'll need an upscaler/linedoubler. Check Fudoh's site for information on those. http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

[Anonymous No.3417947]

>>3417246
no I have a bed there is sort a bed and a sofa at the same time its on the other side of the room

My neck would break if I played right from above

[Anonymous No.3417958]

>>3417084
Sweet setup man , how do you use SATA in your PS2 btw, I still have a smal hard IDE in it, but I want to upgrade to a 400gb IDE from a IBM server. But I have my doubts this thing can be a little noisy

[Anonymous No.3418007]

>>3416923
>slightly

>>3417958
network adapter hack

[Anonymous No.3418012]

[Anonymous No.3418030]

>>3417736
Go plug in that light gun and have a blast!

[Anonymous No.3418052]

>>3417742
You know benq monitors have next to no lag

>>3418030
Got me there. I guess I'll have to live my life without rail shooters

[Anonymous No.3418058]

>>3418052
>ALL benq monitors have no input lag
You stupid or something?

Also no one wants to use a TN panel.

[Anonymous No.3418061]

>>3418052
>I guess I'll have to live my life without rail shooters
I'm not advocating that you play light gun games. Just as long as you understand that you are playing with lag.
And no, claiming that you don't notice it doesn't justify it.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418123]

We're hoarding now, boys.

I was that guy who found 2x 20F1U's and a 20L5 by accident, after searching for 3 years.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418125]

>>3418123
Plus I'm picking up another 4, including another BVM-20F1U in a week or so :)

[Anonymous No.3418131]

>>3418123
>>3418125
What the actual fuck

Is that a 20 inch ikegami in the middle left?
jelly

[Anonymous No.3418135]

>>3418123
Build a wall
Robocop OCP conference room style

[Anonymous No.3418136]

>>3418123
>>3418125
Where the fuck do you guys find all these PVMs/BVMs? There are never any in my area.

[Anonymous No.3418149]

>>3418123
BUILD THE WALL

THE CRT WALL

[Anonymous No.3418151]

>>3418149
I bet every one of these is in a landfill
:[

[Anonymous No.3418154]

I love the aesthetic of some of these brochures.

[Anonymous No.3418160]

>>3418123
i think i just had a heart attack
i thought i was privilaged for having two 14l5's and a 20m2mdu

post more of the collection

[Anonymous No.3418176]

>>3417958
Like pic related
>>3418007
>network adaptor hack
That's another way which will allow a 3.5" drive to fit but I prefer mine tbqh as I wanted the quietest solution possible. I even considered an ssd but that's pure madness...

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418189]

I think I'm going to get rid of most of them, though. I'm planning on keeping the 3x F1U's and the 20L5 for now. I might also keep a 20L2 and one or two of the small ones, but that's kinda pushing it. I need to recoup a bit of what I spent on them, but honestly if I didn't need the money I would would just hoard them until I had a permanent house/space I could display them all.

>>3418135
I would actually consider it if they were all the same model or at least the same size and knew I could get more, but it's unlikely. With the BVM's/L5 I'm keeping, I'll at least be able to do a 4-display 2x2 grid if I want, which is pretty cool.

>>3418131
Middle leftmost is a Panasonic 19" (there's also a JVC rebrand of the same monitor). I actually have a few more monitors to pick up, and I think there might be a few ikegami in there.

>>3418136
Connections/classifieds/making calls etc. It actually took me about 2-3 years of regular searching to find a good condition, high end PVM/BVM, and it was probably entirely by luck I found an ad buried that everyone else missed. I think the guy left out or typo'd the model name on the ad but I recognized the photo and called him up. It came from a post-production studio type thing. When I went there to pick it up he ended up finding 2 more monitors which just happened to be BVM-20F1Us. I asked him to let me know if he finds any more or other gear they are getting rid of and I took his card.

A few weeks later he texted me saying that their location also owns another studio and they were clearing out some CRTs, which is where this second lot came from (the ones I originally got are the rightmost ones in the corner). I honestly didn't really need or want more, but I figure they are pretty rare to find here in Canada and I know people who would want them so I just decided to take the entire lot. He also had a bunch of stuff like cables, computers, audio gear, switchers etc which I needed too so I figured it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.3418193]

>>3417439

27" Consumer Trinitron is about as heavy and deep as you can probably go, or a 20" professional one.

Measure how deep it is

[Anonymous No.3418201]

>>3417692

Contrast on the 24" and 32" Widescreen BVMs is excellent

The BVM-24 whatever is 16:9 and still "affordable" (~1k on ebay)

[Anonymous No.3418206]

>>3418176
I was just wondering about this today. Thanks for the pic!

[Anonymous No.3418207]

>>3418189

Where are you located, roughly?

I might be interested in one of those if you'll ship. I'd imagine other anons might be too

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418216]

>>3418123
If anyone is curious...

IN ORDER FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, LEFT TO RIGHT:

Sony PVM-20L2
Panasonic BT-M1950Y
Sony PVM-20M4U
---
Sony PVM-20M2U
Sony PVM-20L2
Sony PVM-20M2U
---
LaCie ELECTRON 22 BLUE IV
Sony PVM-1350
Sony PVM-20N6U
---
BT-H1390Y
BT-H1390Y
Sony PVM-20L5
Sony BVM-20F1U
Sony BVM-20F1U


Confirmed units I should have in 1-2 weeks:

Sony BVM-A20F1U
Sony PVM-20M2U
Sony PVM-2530 (maybe)
LaCie ELECTRON 22 BLUE IV (maybe)
LaCie ELECTRON 22 BLUE IV (maybe)
+ Bunch of BNC/RCA cables
+ [Matrix switchers???]
+ [Unknown Ikegami units???]
+ [Misc audio gear???]

Mind you these are all untested but I'm pretty confident they are okay since the first set were. Hopefully I can get around to cleaning and calibrating them soon. If any anons are in the GTA/Toronto area and want one, I'll be checking in again in maybe a week or two with what I have left. I've already promised a couple of people a monitor and some are going to my University's gaming/retro club thing, but I will probably have extras even after those are gone. So you guys can have dibs on them before I put them on kijiji/craigslist.

[Anonymous No.3418221]

>>3418201
i was just talking about consumer HD CRTs

people say they have bad contrast like LCDs

I'm wondering if thats true and why

[Anonymous No.3418229]

>>3418216
>Sony PVM-2530
nothing else besides this and the LaCies matter imo senpai
>Mind you these are all untested
wat

[Anonymous No.3418254]

>>3417439

What's the dimensions on those side cubes? A 13" or 9" PVM would look cool in one.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418304]

>>3418229
>Mind you these are all untested
They are "untested" in that I've hooked up nothing to them yet, and they have likely not been in use for a number of years. They all power on. The company I got them from pretty much went full digital YEARS ago which is why they aren't used, but they were in good working order before they were stored. Most were stored indoors/climate controlled too, except some of the older models which I didn't take or weren't interested in.

I'm pretty confident everything will be fine though, and the guy also offered me money back if there were any problems. I got my first set of BVMs (the ones on the right in the photo) a month or so ago from them and they were pretty much in perfect condition. These guys have done professional post-production work for some familar movies/tv shows, and everything was calibrated and serviced pretty regularly. I think half of the BVMs actually had a Sony factory tube replacement and service which is technically supposed to occur at 30k hours, but is rarely done by most owners. Another one of the BVMs was literally a paperweight for them and only used as an SDI passthrough box for audio cue recording for years, and the tube was never on.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418309]

>>3418229
>nothing else besides this and the LaCies matter imo senpai
The LaCies are really great, I just finished trying Overwatch on it along with some Quake 3, 3rd Strike (on fightcade), and some other games and it was very nice. I almost forgot what black looked like on a computer monitor.

I also tried my new scaler/line doubler on it (the OSSC) and it looked great. I'm really interested in trying large horizontal resolutions on it for emulation, i'm sure it will look awesome. If someone wants one monitor to do everything the best choices I think are either a LaCie (or something like a Sony FW-900/500) + line doubler or a Multiformat PVM/BVM.

I'm getting 2 more of them...I only took the one today because that's all the van I had could fit. I wanted to focus on the newer PVMs since they were promised to people and what 99% of people want or need when it comes to retro displays, so I know I wouldn't be stuck with them. The LaCie displays don't seem to be in much demand, and I've seen a few on classifieds for months now. The PVMs get snatched up in hours, sometimes minutes. I'm definitely considering keeping one LaCie, although it would kind of be out of place in my setup.

[Anonymous No.3418317]

>>3416640
Fucking CTR, I got away from /pol/ because of that shit, yet it followed me here. Fuck this shit

[Anonymous No.3418318]

>>3418309
Where did you order your OSSC from?
I didn't know they were out yet.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418340]

>>3417394
>>3417254
Personal taste.

PVMs and "PVMs"(JVC, Ikegami, etc) come in dot triad and aperture grille flavors.
NEC and Mitsubishi Presentation monitors have slot masks.
Arcade monitors use slot masks, as do many consumer TVs.
PC monitors use either dot triad or aperture grille.

>>3417438
>>3417425
Some non-shooter console stuff that has it as an option would the PS1 Namco Museum offerings. Varies by game, obviously.

>>3417530
Design-wise, it looks like my KV-27HS420, except perhaps a bit larger.
A glance around doesn't seem to suggest there are any models other than it and the 32/36'' versions there of, and they're all HDCRTs.

E-mail them and ask them for the model number off the back of it.

>>3418221
Picture quality is on of the things that HDCRTs don't lose from the added scaler.
You'll obviously need to calibrate it and hope it doesn't have high hours, but an HDCRT can still make for a nice sub-1080p movie machine.

>>3417752
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_emission_display
Is pretty much what you're describing, sans the easier to produce bit. That's where they were caught up at.
Both are fixed resolution displays, so you wouldn't get the "no scaling" benefit of CRTs, but they were the CRT successor technologies.

>>3418309
>I think are either a LaCie
I'd like to point out that the LaCie monitors are all NEC-Mitsu rebadges.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418362]

>>3418318
They just started shipping them out in the last 2-3 weeks or so I think. I was on a waiting list since last year. I think I was among the first 20-30 people to get on the list and only the first ~100 people have them. Last time I heard the list was well over 800-900 people long and I assume it's much longer now.

The next run is said to be bigger than 100 units...but if you aren't on the list don't expect to be able to get one until christmas/2017 at the earliest, unless you happen to get one 2nd hand/get someone's spot/go the DIY route. DIY kits are available soon but those require some pretty fine soldering, so make sure to know what you're doing if going that route.

videogameperfection.com, ships from UK. It was about $230 USD shipped, which I think is really great compared to the framemeister. The only thing I don't like about it is that it doesn't have BNC inputs and doesn't do s-video/composite, but I guess you could always get external transcoders for that. There's a few features coming in the next firmware updates that are really nice too.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52158

>>3418340
>I'd like to point out that the LaCie monitors are all NEC-Mitsu rebadges.

Yep that's correct. From what I've seen, I think in North America (at least in the graphics/production business) it seems the LaCie rebadging is what's usually available from people who have not scrapped them yet.

[Anonymous No.3418369]

What's the difference between a PVM and a BVM?

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418382]

>>3418369

PVM: "Professional Video Monitor". Really refers to the specific line of Sony Trinitron "PVM" model monitors but sometimes people use PVM as a catch-all for any professional CRT monitor (Panasonic/JVC/Ikegami etc.).

BVM: "Broadcast Video Monitor". Usually refers to Sony's BVM line of monitors which are usually higher quality and more expensive than PVMs. Typically used in the broadcast/tv/movie production industry.

[Anonymous No.3418410]

>>3418216
Tbh not to jealous of the haul because most of those monitors are alright aside from the L5 and BVM's. Too bad the F1U's didn't come with a control board.

I miss my wall of M4U's

Around that same time I got a few BVM's. Totally I had about 20 monitors in one room.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418417]

>>3418410
I wouldn't mind one of the 800+ PVM/BVMs, and one of those Panasonic monitors just so I could get a chance to see a tri-dot professional monitor in person.

[Anonymous No.3418442]

>>3418382
Is this your new trip free20L5guy ?

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418469]

>>3418135
Me in a few years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF6xUooOs8&t=16s

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418513]

>>3418410
Actually, I got 3 control units with the BVMs/L5 and getting a 4th soon when I go back to take the rest of the lot. One controller is semi-broken but I know the problem and it's an easy 10 minute fix. The BVMs also came loaded with multiple RGB boards (3 each I think). Got 2 memory cards as well. They are actually in the original pic on top of those 13" that are on top the BVMs/L5, but the ceiling lamp was blocking it. If the monitor's serial ports are all connected, you actually only need one controller to control all of them (up to 32 or 64...I forget) just by using one as a master monitor.

I also bought a USB RS485/422 adapter and when I have some time I will try coding a simple app/script for controlling the BVMs/L5 through a computer or remotely from a smartphone. If I like it, I might consider using an arduino with WiFi or IR instead.

>>3418229
>PVM-2530
I guess the 2530 is nice if you want the extra size... it's probably the most "retro" in terms of aesthetics (both cosmetically and display @ ~500 TVL). Definitely a preference thing but I guess there's the argument that it has a more 'authentic' look than the higher TVL/newer sets, but at that point wouldn't later gen high-end consumer TV be almost on par with that, minus RGB and maybe a bit better colour quality? From what I've seen s-video would probably be on par with SD Wegas. RGB would be nice but the set is also 14+ years older than these newer PVMs, so the chances of actually getting a nice unit are lower. Plus you have to deal with the non-standard RGB connector. I know a few people that have had 20/2530's and never looked back after 'upgrading' to a newer model. I technically already own the one I mentioned since I paid for the whole lot, I think I'll pick it up if I have the room next time.

>>3418442
No, I was here weeks ago under a different trip when I got the BVMs. Many seemed to like my posts/story so I just decided to update. I forgot what trip I used though so I just made another.

[Anonymous No.3418525]

I really want a tri-dot professional monitor

Ebay was crawling with them a few months ago, and now I can hardly find any.

[Anonymous No.3418529]

Is there a way to factory reset this specific TV? The HDMI port suddenly stopped working for whatever reason and someone suggested the reset.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418532]

>>3418529
You really don't want to do a factory reset unless you have to.

What do you mean it stopped working? Is the HDMI input/channel no longer available, or does it just no longer detect anything being fed to it when switched to said channel?

[Anonymous No.3418534]

>>3418532

How come what happens if you factory reset it? The input is a available, however it stopped displaying picture and audio.

[Anonymous No.3418543]

>>3418534
Factory workers calibrate the monitors prior to selling and so if you factory reset it goes ALL the way back to before calibration. Not fun to fix.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418545]

>>3418534
Every individual set was configured after coming off the line and before being sent out of the factory. Doing a factory reset will not only get rid of any changes made since it left the factory, but also that original calibration as well. This will leave you with a pretty bad picture at best.

If the input is still accessible but isn't displaying/detecting anything coming across it, I would think it may be the port itself and not something that a factory reset of the service menu could fix.
It's possible there may be something in the service menu that affect this, but I just took a look at the settings for mine (HS420) and GOOD LORD is there a shit load of junk in there.

[Anonymous No.3418552]

>>3418543
>>3418545

That sounds pretty awful then. This sucks. I don't know why it stopped working. I barely used it so that's why I'm so puzzled.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418558]

>>3418552
What are you trying to feed to it? Could it be you're sending too high of a resolution, and it's just "ignoring" it to protect itself from damage?

[Anonymous No.3418563]

Hey guys, anyone know about JVC TM-A21OG TVs? I found someone on craigslist nearby with 9 JVC monitors (Not sure if they're all the same monitor) and I wanna know if they're any good. From pictures it looks like they only do composite/s-video which I'm kinda fine with since I'm gonna be using my amiga for RGB. They're also free which is a big thing considering I'm in desperate need of a replacement for my dead Trinitron.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418564]

>>3418382
>>3418417
Oh, I am just looking up specs now and I didn't realise the M4U was a bit higher TVL while the 20L2 is more on par with the M2U. I had thought all 'L' models were newer than the M models but maybe that's not the case? The 20L2's have the option for input cards, but didn't come with any. Am I better off keeping the M4U instead of a 20L2? That might also work out better because I would be able to have a matching TATE/YOKO pairs with 20L2s and M2Us and not have to split them up. Someone I promised monitors to wanted a matching pair so that might work be better for them, since I only have one M4U.

Apart from the BVMs/L5, I was thinking of keeping the Panasonic 19" + 20L2s (maybe just the M4U now) and maybe 1-2 13"s + 1 LaCie.

[Anonymous No.3418568]

>>3418558

First I was using my PS3 which was running fine. Then it stopped so I thought I would try something "lighter" and plugged in a Vita TV with no response.

[Anonymous No.3418570]

>>3418563
I would get it depending on the price
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/monitor/brochure/tma101gu.pdf

but im a fan of slot and shadow masks and think rgb is overkill

[Anonymous No.3418572]

>>3418564
desu is there any reason for L5 when you have a LaCie?

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418573]

>>3418417
>>3418410

Oh, I am just looking up specs now and I didn't realise the M4U was a bit higher TVL while the 20L2 is more on par with the M2U. I had thought all 'L' models were newer than the M models but maybe that's not the case? The 20L2's have the option for input cards, but didn't come with any. Am I better off keeping the M4U instead of a 20L2? That might also work out better because I would be able to have a matching TATE/YOKO pairs with 20L2s and M2Us and not have to split them up. Someone I promised monitors to wanted a matching pair so that might work be better for them, since I only have one M4U.

Apart from the BVMs/L5, I was thinking of keeping the Panasonic 19" + 20L2s (maybe just the M4U now) and maybe 1-2 13"s + 1 LaCie.

[Anonymous No.3418575]

>>3418529
Hmm...Do you live in Canada/Toronto?

[Anonymous No.3418580]

>>3418573
aside from the BVMs I would just see which of the PVMs had the best convergence/geometry and then decide on which to keep.

Because there's not very many pots to adjust on a PVM if the convergence is really bad.

[Anonymous No.3418583]

>>3418575

I live relatively close to Toronto.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418585]

>>3418568
Is it possible that either of them are trying to do 1080p? I know that sometimes when the PS3 is getting a so-so connection over HDMI, it'll "auto-detect" and try to set it to 1080p, to which you may have bumped a button okaying it while confused over nothing showing up.

If possible, reset the PS3's display settings by holding the power button while turned on, connect it via composite THEN connect it to the TV via HDMI and see what happens.

>>3418573
L-Series was the replacement for the M-Series, but that doesn't mean they can't have different tier monitors to fit different situations. Just as there are M2, M4s, and the M7, there are L1s, L2s, L3s(limited to smaller sets), L4s, and L5s.
I want to say the N-Series was run alongside both, but has worse specs than either being they're lower end models.

>>3418572
If I had to guess, Component support along with supporting 15khz along side higher resolutions on the same monitor. A more "all-in-one" package, if you will.

[Anonymous No.3418586]

>>3418583
Maybe I'm mistaken then. I recently met someone who helped me out that has that exact same TV and a very similar setup & consoles, not sure how I remembered it so vividly. Thought I would ask.

[Anonymous No.3418590]

>>3418586

Oh, no worries man.

>>3418585

I'll test that out and see if it's the problem.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3418592]

>>3418590
You should hear an additional beep once it's reset. There's a better explanation on Sony's own site if you need a more proper explanation.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418594]

>>3418585
Yeah I actually did a double take at the back and it seems this M4U was manf. late 1999 while the M2Us 2000/2001. The 20L2's are 2003/2004 so definitely a successor, although I guess I'll see the actual picture difference when I get around to testing.

[Anonymous No.3418595]

My shitty samsung has highlights (like white letters on grey background) bleeding all the way to the right. Upping the contrast almost make it disappear. Is my set dying or just made that way?

Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.3418614]

>>3416931
Get a few of these.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3418615]

>>3418572
Well, unless you already have a scaler/line doubler you will need one to run retro consoles on the LaCie or similar, it does not support 15khz. These can be hard to find and can run you additional $230-600 or higher for a *good*/lagless one, although there are cheapy ones you can get for less. If you don't use a scaler it's appropriate for 480p-1080p+ RGBHV (so computers and any console with VGA support) and can run higher reses than that at 60+ hz well.

The L5 is not very picky with sync and it will also take everything 1080i and lower. You can plug composite/s-video/component/RGB straight into it so it's probably better if you just want to play retro consoles, and may actually be easier and possibly cheaper than a PC CRT setup if you want to buy a nice scaler/transcoder that have all the inputs you need to go along with it. If you're just emulating on PC, the PC CRT is probably a better choice to start with since they are cheaper and easier to find.

[Anonymous No.3418636]

>>3418614
Not that anon, but are these any good? Would they cause any input lag or anything like that? I don't plan on ever having more than three older consoles, so this would be perfect for me if it's not shit.

[Anonymous No.3418686]

>>3416640
not part of the flat masterrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piIOf3rTcP8

[Anonymous No.3418812]

>>3418221
HD CRTs have some of the best colors and contrast with CRTs, especially Sony's Super-Fine Pitch sets.

[Anonymous No.3418847]

>>3418636
They're pretty much perfect.

[Anonymous No.3418852]

>>3417947
Weird ass question, but did that come in pieces? We need a couch and would like it to double as a bed, but our apartment stairway is too narrow for anything other than futons.

[Anonymous No.3418854]

Back at my place I have three PVMs thag a buddy salvaged for me. I havent had a chance to test them but I know the larger one, maybe a 20 inch, has one of those VIDEO IN/VIDEO OUT BNC ports on that back and no RGB inputs. Is there a way to get RGB from this?

[Anonymous No.3418945]

>>3418847
Well, I can confirm that.
It's perfect if you like seeing crosstalking (that checkerboard pattern causes by the chrominance) on the screen.

[Anonymous No.3418994]

>>3418573
Definitely stick the M4U. I'm the one who posted the wall of them and aside from having a great tvl count they're also nice enough to have component/rgb, svideo, and composite

[Anonymous No.3419102]

>>3418847
mine isn't perfect and lowers my brightness, but I still use it just to house my scart cables so they don't get lost everywhere

[Anonymous No.3419109]

>>3418945
There's no noticeable interference with my switch (as long as only one input is active). Of course it's not the perfect switch, but it's one of the best consumer-grade switches out there.

[Anonymous No.3419165]

>>3418570
They're all free, I guess I'll give this guy a visit next time I'm in the area.

[Anonymous No.3419167]

Here's my setup, I'm in a dry area for crt's in general

[Anonymous No.3419197]

Not exactly CRT focused but i helped my dad move his old CRT and found loads of lines from school stuffed into the back of it, had a little laugh.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3419242]

>>3418994
Going to test and compare today. All of them in the picture actually support component/RGB, s-video, and composite, except the N6U and the 1350.

[Anonymous No.3419257]

>>3419167
So simple. So rad.

[Anonymous No.3419443]

Need to get a new telly but i don't have any units that can take a CRT, any decent HDTV's for playing stuff like PS2's?

[Anonymous No.3419478]

>>3417439
As and aside, can I just say that I fucking hate the trend in furniture right now where everything has to be a cube? I was recently looking for a new shelf to store some of my cartridge games and I actually had to dig a little to find an actual shelf unit instead of just a bunch of cubes stuck together.

[Anonymous No.3419492]

>>3419167
Adore this setup, that PVM looks super cool. I hope you play with headphones or plan on getting some speakers for some stereo output.

>>3419443
Mainly TVs from late 2000s early 2010s will handle 480i/p content pretty good, make sure you have some Component cables too. See >>3417775 and >>3417782 (Ignore the scaling part). Check out those links and try to get a TV with the least lag, and always check for a "Game Mode" to reduce lag.

[Anonymous No.3419607]

Some guy in my area is selling two Ikegami TM20-17Rs. $150 for the both of them. Should I cop?

[Anonymous No.3419614]

>>3419492
The problem is with Scalers is they're really expensive and HDTV's are pretty shit on their own.

[Anonymous No.3419619]

>>3419607
That looks amazing

[Anonymous No.3419627]

>>3419619
It's an old photo from when I got my PVM years ago. Love this thing.

[Anonymous No.3419640]

>>3419607
600 TVL and RGB input

I think 1 for 75 is a decent deal

[Anonymous No.3419643]

>>3419607
Even if you already have a PVM, I'd take both of the 20" ones for $150

[Anonymous No.3419649]

>>3419640
>>3419643
Yeah, I was thinking about grabbing them just for the hell of it. My 20M2MDU still works great, but it's hard to pass up some Ikegami monitors.

[Anonymous No.3419679]

There's also some other guy selling a PVM-1910 for $100 which I considered picking up as well.

Wish I could find a BVM somewhere.

[Anonymous No.3419710]

>>3419614
Well I wouldn't bother with scalers, HDTVs really have the most problems with 240p content. They usually handle and scale 480p content well enough. I mean getting a scaler would help but I think they're more so aimed at 240p games and are way too expensive for someone just looking to play some ps2 and other 7th gens stuff.

[Anonymous No.3419743]

>>3419443
What do you mean "you dont have any units"?

[Anonymous No.3419759]

>>3419743
I don't have shelfs or units that can hold a big CRT, i have IKEA stuff.

[Anonymous No.3419785]

>>3417947
Yes I assembled it my self with a couple of screwdrivers and a hammer

[Anonymous No.3419795]

>>3419785
Whered you get it?

[Anonymous No.3419798]

>>3418151
>The Holocaust
https://youtu.be/hv6umONV7iw

[Anonymous No.3420496]

>>3419607
I have one. No OSD, and you will need to adjust the few geometry controls it has from inside the set.
I like it.

[Anonymous No.3420647]

Got one of these for an alright price but it's been stuck in Mississauga for over a week, my SCART to BNC adapter from the UK I ordered a week after came faster then this.

Is this what I get for ordering one off eBay? This shit better not come broken.

[Anonymous No.3420661]

>>3420647
hate to break it to you duder but people see these things as a gold mine and don't really care much to spend the funds on shipping. I can only hope they packed yours with care.

[Kathodus !!gE4nSSmnHty No.3420721]

>>3420647
Hopefully you get it in once piece. Where are you located?

[Anonymous No.3420725]

>>3420647

I ordered one off of ebay and it arrived in one piece. The seller was slow to ship it, but whoever packed it new their shit. If I remember correctly it was actually double-boxed and absolutely overflowing with packing peanuts.

[Anonymous No.3420729]

>>3420647

I ordered a professional CRT monitor off of ebay and it arrived in one piece. The seller was slow to ship it, but whoever packed it new their shit. If I remember correctly it was actually double-boxed and absolutely overflowing with packing peanuts.

What does the tracking say? I'd possibly be a little concerned about a domestic package sitting at an office for a long period of time. Could just be a normal delay, but maybe try calling USPS (or whoever is shipping it) to see if they can give any more info.

[Anonymous No.3420768]

>>3420721
Near Vancouver, stuff usually takes about a day to come after it gets to Richmond.

>>3420729
I'm not really too worried about how it's gonna be shipped, the seller had a lot of positive feedback and what he sold was mostly big electronics like this. The tracking hasn't updated past "Item was released by Customs and is now with Canada Post for processing" since the 2nd, I've reached out to Canada Post on Facebook and Twitter and they both never helped at all.

[Anonymous No.3420775]

>>3420768

Oh, if customs is involved (and assuming it is anything like my experience with US customs) that might explain it.

[Anonymous No.3420784]

do you guys use your crt for gamecube too? just curious

[Anonymous No.3420793]

>>3420784
Anything from Wii and lower pretty much. I occasionally use mine for ps3 as well (fighting games and emulation)

[Anonymous No.3420801]

>>3420768

Customs has been slow recently.

I'm in Toronto, but I saw a bunch of stuff on the BC kijiji as recent as a few weeks back. If I recall correctly there were a couple of nice PVMs on there for low (sub $100), and the ads were also up for quite some time.

[Anonymous No.3420881]

>>3419798
It's like a heap of dead puppies.

[Anonymous No.3420904]

Got myself a SCART - SCART cable with individually shielded wires.
When soldering console side (to Mega Drive connector for example), I need to connect all video and audio grounds to DIN connector shell?

[Anonymous No.3420910]

>>3417347
Just filter the filename famicom.

[Anonymous No.3420913]

Anyone has any experience with Raspberry Pi hooked to CRT, or some pics?

I can't afford real hardware right now and I'm thinking about buying Wii for VC, but I already have Pi 2 with RetroPie installed and I'm wondering is it worth it. Can't find any comparison photos on google either.

[Anonymous No.3420917]

>>3420904
I usually solder grounds to the shell as well as to at least one ground pin if there is one. Don't know if it helps picture quality that much. Seems like it helps somewhat when I tried connecting/disconnecting the shell from ground on a SCART connector once.

[Anonymous No.3420918]

>>3420913
Two words:
>No 240p

Actually make that four:
>Composite only

[Anonymous No.3420920]

>>3420904
it is a good idea to connect all grounds, at both ends

[Anonymous No.3420925]

>>3420918
240p through HDMI (to VGA to SCART/BNC)
https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/49wkr9/240p_rgbs_guide_rgb_composite_sync/

[Anonymous No.3420934]

>>3420918
>No 240p
Seriously? Jesus, guess it's back to looking for Wii. Thanks

[Anonymous No.3420937]

>>3420934
Pi composite only outputs 480i, it's hardware limitation.
Someone using composite output on Pi and saying that it looks like real hardware connected to CRT is retard red flag.
But look into >>3420925

[Anonymous No.3420942]

>>3419710
Seconded. I have a Framemeister and I mostly use it for 240p things. My HDTV is pretty good at 480i. And for video (laserdisc player, usually) the picture is rather soft.

[Anonymous No.3420946]

>>3420925
>>3420937
It's still going through composite, no? Seems more trouble than it's worth. Also retropie frontend is hard to get used to

[Anonymous No.3420949]

>>3420946
>It's still going through composite, no?
No. It converts VGA sync into sync sygnal you can use with 15 kHz CRT.
I still have to try it with my Pi though, so no personal experience, sorry.

[Anonymous No.3420953]

>>3420946
It seems like it outputs a 320x240@60Hz-hdmi signal that this one HDMI->VGA adapter actually supports and makes it output a 15kHz signal. Since VGA is RGBHV instead of RGBS (horizontal and vertical sync on separate wires instead of combined) you need to combine the syncs, which is what the circuit you build is for.

[Miyo - CRT !QueenN1xao No.3420959]

I really need a better place to put this, maybe get a desk or something.

[Anonymous No.3421125]

My TV has bleeding similar to pic's but less pronounced? Is it fixable? How can it be fixed?

[Anonymous No.3421142]

>>3419607

[Anonymous No.3421790]

Whites have a dull grey/yellow tint. Looks worse in person. Can this be fixed?

[Anonymous No.3421824]

>>3421790
Perhaps the color temperature is set at 6500K (warm white, also boardcast standard) but you are expecting 9300K (cool white, usually used on computer screens) as white and the contrast, brightness is set too low.
>Can this be fixed?
Depends on the set. Color temperature adjust could be done with the menu or you need to open the set and adjust trimmers on the neckboard.

[Anonymous No.3421828]

I wish I had connections to people in the broadcasting/video production industries. Trying to find BVMs or other high tier CRTs is impossible around here.

I'd love to get my hands on an Ikegami HTM-1990R or a 1917R. Some guy is selling one on ebay for $5000.

My holy grail.

[Anonymous No.3421843]

>>3416923
Just use the s-video input, that's what I ended up doing with my 2030 after running into the same issue with the CMPTR input's left-shifted image.

[Anonymous No.3421880]

>>3421824
Is that what the 'Temperature' settings on many TVs are?

Cool = 9300K?
Neutral = 6500K?
Warm = 3200K?

I notice when I have the temperature set to Neutral on my CRT, the Wii Menu looks slightly yellow. When I set it to Cool, it looks more natural and whiter.

[Anonymous No.3421882]

I would like to connect a PS2 and a PS3 to a Philips 109B. Highest res it supports is 1920x1440. What would be the best way to achieve this? and is there a chance that input delay will be introduced?

[Anonymous No.3421890]

>>3421824
Is that you Brad?

Isn't that what the 'Temperature' settings on many TVs are?

Cool = 9300K?
Neutral = 6500K?
Warm = 3200K?

I notice when I have the temperature set to Neutral on my CRT, the Wii Menu looks slightly yellow. When I set it to Cool, it looks more natural and whiter.

[Anonymous No.3421904]

>>3421882
it doesn't sync 240p/480i so ps2 is kinda useless there, not many 480p games

if it accepts sync on green you can push 480p from the ps3 (i'm not sure about ps3 too much, so someoen correct me if i'm wrong)
or convert component>RGBHV which i assume is an available cable for ps3

but again, i'm just trying to point you in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.3421906]

>>3421890
>Is that you Brad?
Nope.

>I notice when I have the temperature set to Neutral on my CRT, the Wii Menu looks slightly yellow. When I set it to Cool, it looks more natural and whiter.
Yeah, that's what this is about.
I usually stick to 9300K because the cool white is pretty much the same white that a fresh piece of paper has, so I consider that as the proper white.

[Anonymous No.3421937]

>>3421890
>>3421906
>9300k
disgusting

[Anonymous No.3421971]

>>3416640
What game is this

[Anonymous No.3421989]

>>3421971
Spellcaster for Master System

[Anonymous No.3421991]

>>3421971
Spellcaster / Kujaku Oh on SMS

[Anonymous No.3422050]

>>3421937
Why?

[Anonymous No.3422129]

>>3420925
RPi>hdmi to vga converter, breakout cable, sync combiner,

or same video settings and, RPi>hdmi to ypbr converter for a consumer set

still cost more than a wii with a component cable. And it plays dvds, Wii and GC games

[Anonymous No.3422151]

Does an ATSC or NTSC tuner make any difference for retro games, or is that only for TV?

[Anonymous No.3422172]

>>3422129
The one good thing about the rpi is you can play higher res videos through it, the wii struggles with even 480p.

[Anonymous No.3422217]

>>3422172
My friend has one, the internal audio is bad, he has some add on for aqudio and it seems complicated to do anything. He also has recalbox instead of retropie and it looks easier.

[Anonymous No.3422409]

Did you miss me, /crt/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjJ8irRPdqk

[Anonymous No.3422414]

>>3422409
he threw away all his crts many years ago. Now he exclusively plays retro nes games on his HD lcd with composhit video.

[Anonymous No.3422430]

>>3422409
>I had PoS signal standards
>I guess everyone did too

[Anonymous No.3422462]

I picked up a sweet Sony KV-32FS120 the other day for 20$. I had been hunting for a good CRT unfortunately everybody in my area lets them go to shit then throws them out.

Then I found an ad for a Vacuum, some other crap and the KV. After some back and forth (during which the owner stressed how nice the TV is and that it is great for "retro games") we agreed to meet. Nothing prepared me.... I showed up, this guy opens his garage.

He had a frogger machine, centipede, and about 5 other consoles. He had a NES, a panasonic and JVC CRT next to each other. He also had a very old RCA. He told me he had several more machines in his basement along with his retro consoles and his other TVs. He stressed how he did not want to just give the KV away, he wanted someone who would play retro games on it and appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.3422476]

>>3421824
There is no temperature setting, but I can adjust color levels. So I would have to open it up and fuck with it? That is something I can handle, can you point me toward some information I could read up on?

[Anonymous No.3423153]

>>3422050
9300K is for computer monitors. 6500K is basically the standard for video.

[Anonymous No.3423239]

>>3422476
>So I would have to open it up and fuck with it?
If it bothers you that much then you can.
But mark the original positions (draw a line with a sharpie on the side) so you can easily reverse your changes. An alternative would be to measure the resistance with an ohmmeter, but you need to pay great attention how the trimmer is wired up.
>That is something I can handle, can you point me toward some information I could read up on?
Well, google it.
However, I can tell you right now that it's not a bad idea to use a modern monitor as reference and display the greyscale pattern (or something with white and dark gray spots) on both the monitor and your CRT. That's how I did it on my Trinitrons, there were 2 trimmers for green and blue called G. DRIVE and B. DRIVE. It's not 100% perfect but very close.

[Anonymous No.3423501]

>>3421843
After spending ~$100 on SCART cables and the 25 pin adapter I think that option has passed.

[Anonymous No.3423510]

>>3423501
>After spending ~$100 on SCART cables and the 25 pin adapter I think that option has passed.
We told you to never fall for the SCART meme.

[Anonymous No.3423512]

>>3423510
I fell long before I arrived here.

[Anonymous No.3423517]

>>3423510
>Not using SCART

Why would you use anything else? The cables are common enough to be cheap and it's the best RGB output you'll find. Making your own cables is incredibly retarded.

[Anonymous No.3423548]

>>3423517
>it's the best RGB output you'll find
Not even close.
High quality 75 Ohm coaxial with BNC terminations are much better.

[Anonymous No.3423636]

Any recommendations for a PS2 s-video cable?

[Anonymous No.3423638]

>>3423636
Official one.

[Anonymous No.3423639]

>>3423636
PS3 one.

[Anonymous No.3423807]

>>3423501
>$100 on scart cables
ayy lmao sucks to be Ameican i find them in thriftstores all the time

[Anonymous No.3423860]

>>3423517
Ignore him. He's a serial shitposting tard boy.

[Anonymous No.3423867]

>>3423636
This is the only case where I will actually recommend you use the official one. But you're better off getting five dollar generic component cables too.

[Anonymous No.3424183]

Took this photo last year when I only had an S-video cable for my Saturn.

[Anonymous No.3424226]

>>3420647
Alright so I got the 1354Q today and it came like this, which wasn't in the eBay pictures, is it a simple fix or should I send it back? Haven't turned it on yet. https://imgur.com/a/H8RxO

[Anonymous No.3424246]

>>3424226
Hrm.

Would the shipping be expensive to send it back?

I would turn it on and see how it looks anyway

[Anonymous No.3424250]

>>3424226
That's proper fucked mate

Guess the seller didn't ship it on a pallete?

[Anonymous No.3424254]

>>3424250
>palette
breh its 13 inches

[Anonymous No.3424262]

>>3424246
It'll be from Canada back to the US, don't know exactly how much it'll be. I'm hesitant to turn it on since I'm still new to PVMs.

>>3424250
Came in a huge box with more bubble wrap around it then I've ever seen in my life. It was definitely damaged in shipping though, the Picture on eBay didn't have the crack.

[Anonymous No.3424264]

>>3424246
DON'T.
Never turn on a device (especially if it's working with high voltage) that has very obvious signs of heavy damage.
Also it looks like the the tube is loose. Turning on would damage the monitor even further.

[Anonymous No.3424267]

>>3424254
Breh it got fucked up

Should've shipped it on a pallette. A small one if you're going to be such a salty poorfag about it

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3424279]

>>3424262
Contact the seller immediately, inform them it was damaged in shipping, and be prepared to take quite a number of photos.

It wouldn't be beneficial to either part to actually send it back, especially across the border, so it's not all that unlikely that you'll get a refund and be told to just keep it as is.

[Anonymous No.3424306]

>people STILL try to get CRTs shipped to them
You are equally responsible for destroying these monitors.

[Anonymous No.3424315]

>>3424279
Just sent them an email, hopefully this thing is repairable since there's no way in hell I'd ever find one locally and it's a pain in the ass to find one on eBay I can afford.

[Anonymous No.3424319]

>>3424306
Next week I will show mine here, I paid a very high price for the shipping as well the CRT will be shipped in it's original box. I'm sure it will be fine.
I will not tell any details, I wanna surprise you guys
Also the last time it wasn't that bad, I fixed the case and the CRT is still working fine.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3424320]

>>3424315
Make sure you follow ebay's contact system, as communications outside of it can actually lead to more problems.

[Anonymous No.3424345]

>>3424264
Yo its fucked anyway.

[Anonymous No.3424346]

>Bought my 20M2MDU four years ago from a medical supplier on ebay
>Got it for $100 shipped
>Showed up in perfect condition
>Have used it for all my SD games since then
>Look up prices for the same CRT on ebay a few days ago out of curiosity
>Cheapest one is $350 for local pickup
>Next cheapest listing is $500
>Seven sold
Not even CRTs are safe from inflation.

[Anonymous No.3424423]

>>3424246
>>3424250
>>3424264
>>3424267
Am I the only one who can't see a picture?

[Anonymous No.3424430]

>>3424423
https://imgur.com/a/H8RxO

[Anonymous No.3424446]

>>3424430
>https://imgur.com/a/H8RxO

[Anonymous No.3424495]

I emailed some broadcasting stations asking about old CRT monitors.

I expect nothing.

[Anonymous No.3424639]

>>3417084
pff awesome setup Man, i just downloaded 50gbs of MAME games, i wish i could play them in a similar setup.

[Anonymous No.3424650]

>>3424639
>i just downloaded 50gbs of MAME games
For fucks sake anon, you do realize that roughly 6-7GB of that is actual games worth playing, and the rest is a bunch of slots/gambling/bar games?

[Anonymous No.3424661]

>>3424650
Yes hahaha Im testing one by one and deleting the shit, Im still on letter A Kek.

[Anonymous No.3424689]

>>3424661
Funny you should mention that, I've been working on making a mame 0.170 rompack that only includes working games. No slots/gambling/mahjong/bar games, no non-functional games. All merged set, so every game has all needed files+bios files included. Was thinking about uploading it somewhere, but it's already 6GBs and not complete.

[Anonymous No.3424696]

>>3424689
Keep the good work man, that shit will save time to alot of people.

[Anonymous No.3424702]

>>3424696
Yeah, but where the fuck do I upload it? Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.3424713]

>>3424702
Media fire or mega in parts and with password and missleading name.

[Anonymous No.3424909]

Which is better for retro gaming:


A flat Sony CRT TV (mild focus, convergence and geometry issues) displaying retro console in component (SCART-YUV transcoder)

or

A curved Sony CRT (no picture problems) displaying retro consoles in S-video?

[Anonymous No.3424910]

be honest guys, is my Sony KV-32FS12 sufficient or should I put in the extra effort to hunt me down a PVM/BVM? I live in Jacksonville so realistically I should be able to locate one without a ridiculous amount of effort but I'm wondering if the picture difference truly is that much greater or if it's just a meme

[Anonymous No.3424931]

>>3424909
latter

[Anonymous No.3424939]

>>3424346
same story man. picked up the same, a 20m2mdu, $85. less than a year ago.

I'm thankful i have a few.

[Anonymous No.3424946]

>>3424226
holy shit. i am so sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.3424973]

What would you rather have:

S-video modded console displaying on a CRT television

or

Regular composite console displaying on 80s PC monitor (Commodore,Atari,Apple)?

[Anonymous No.3424978]

Hey guys, I found this Commodore 1702 monitor at a goodwill and was so excited but unfortunately the picture is blurry as hell. If you turn down the brightness text is legible but obviously it's very dark. Is there anything I can do to fix this that doesn't involve me opening it up? I took a photo but oddly enough it looks better in the photo than in real life.
Also I'm thinking about taking an air compressor to the openings in the back and trying to get some dust out of the inside. Would that be a bad idea for any reason?

[Anonymous No.3424979]

>>3424973
>S-video modded
The only console that needs modding is genesis. I would still pick s-video.

I would rather have RGB->component on a CRT television, though.

[Anonymous No.3424984]

>>3424978
Here's another photo with the brightness down.

Also sorry for the wall of text.

[Anonymous No.3424989]

>>3424978
>>3424984
You will need to open the monitor to fix whatever is wrong with it.
What are you connecting to the monitor and how?

[Anonymous No.3424990]

>>3424910

Colors are deeper, resolution is higher so it'll be a little crisper. Contrast is a little better, less likely to crush blacks on one end or whites on the other. Also most later PVMs will let you adjust H size and V size from the front panel controls. And the HV regulation is better, so for example white text on a black background is less likely to bloom out into a faint grey cloud, among other things. The differences are mostly subtle, and nothing like the huge jump you get from say RF on a 1991 bargain set to s-video on a 2000's trini.

Honestly, if your trinitron is in good condition I wouldn't really bother getting a PVM unless you want native 480p and up or you're looking for a smaller desk/1-person CRT in the first place.

There are relatively few pro monitors that are much bigger than 20" and aren't either beat-to-shit old, ridiculously expensive, or both.

[Anonymous No.3424991]

>>3424979
>RGB->component on a CRT television
retarded tryhard with too much money wants his overly saturated colors

[Anonymous No.3424996]

>>3424989
Just an NES with AV cables I had laying around. I tried to plug an Atari Flashback into it as well and it was also blurry. I figure it's probably bad caps.

[Anonymous No.3424997]

>>3424991
Retarded poorfag that goes for mediocre options to match his mediocre underachieving life.
You calibrate the TV to avoid shit colors.

[Anonymous No.3424998]

>>3424991

> map(3 channels -> 3 channels)
> lossless transcoder
> literally $12 in parts off digikey

> overly saturated colors
> saturation control

I think you have brain problems mate

[Anonymous No.3425001]

>>3424989
Also I tried both the front and back inputs and both were blurry, albeit with the colors being slightlt different.

[Anonymous No.3425012]

>>3425001
You're going to have to open it. Think of it as an adventure.

[Anonymous No.3425024]

>>3424998
>> literally $12 in parts off digikey
Do you have a link for the project/schematics?

[Anonymous No.3425032]

>>3424990

Heard that. Only thing that sucks with my Trinitron is slight geometry issues with the left side of the screen which seems to sag down a bit compared to the rest of the screen (which endless dicking off with the service menu has not been able to correct), pic related. Other than that I think it looks gorgeous, keeping in mind i literally got it for free via Craigslist. Also pls don't judge output quality, I'm playing via composhit until my Y-less S-video cable comes in the mail, which will serve me until a SNES ypbpr that doesn't cost an arm/leg appears, or until I go full meme with a SCART-to-ypbpr setup

[Anonymous No.3425037]

>>3424997
>>3424998
RGB is more saturated than s-video, so it gives a completely different feel than how 99.9% of people played the games.
Gives an emulated overly sharp look as well.

[Anonymous No.3425047]

>>3425024
>>3425032

The color space conversion is trivial, the only tricky bits have to do with the sync.

This circuit appears to be intended for arcade boards, and I haven't built it yet. I've currently got a RGB->YPbPr converter on the way for cheap that I'm intending to crack open and reverse engineer.

[Anonymous No.3425052]

ps1, s-video, 1989 set

[Anonymous No.3425056]

>>3425032
Um your convergence is insanely bad as well.
No offense but it looks like someone dropped your TV in the past

[Anonymous No.3425068]

>>3425047
That circuit is not likely to work with consoles + TV because it doesn't have a video clamp.

[Anonymous No.3425079]

>>3425056

none taken, it was a free TV so I'll take what I can get. well, that it was such a son of a bitch to get in my house to begin with that I'm in no rush to replace it now lol. the convergence issues come and go, sometimes it's noticably blurry yet other times the quality is extremely sharp. still, it's such a step up from my other options (HDTV, or shitty AV-only 13-inch budget) that it'll suffice until I happenstance across a better option. I'm rooming atm so whenever I get my own place I'll probs toss it and locate one in better condition

[Anonymous No.3425080]

>>3425037

You can adjust the saturation on S-video, you fucking tard.

Do you rub vaseline all over your glasses to avoid that "emulated overly sharp look" when you're driving?

[Anonymous No.3425131]

>>3425079


Yeah, I'm >>3411495 , and just picked up a free KV-27FS120 . The size is about perfect, can play comfy 2-player but still "only" weighs 100 pounds so I can get it in and out of my car and tv stands all by myself.

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA , it looks like the 32's jump to ~160 and the 36"s to around ~200-220 ish. I know we had a 36" growing up that was a pain in the dick to move.

I'd keep an eye out for 27"s once you move, they seem pretty nice. As far as convergence goes, PVMs don't really have any advantages - doesn't matter how tight it was leaving the factory if every john fuckface owner banged it around.

[Anonymous No.3425160]

>>3416640
>spaghetti
>stall clearly says soba

[Anonymous No.3425179]

>>3425131

yeah comparing yours to mine there's a noticeable drop in sharpness quality upon closer inspection as implied by >>3425056
, not a deal-breaker atm but definitely something that dampens the mood a bit. was the output in that picture composite or s-video?

[Anonymous No.3425180]

holy fuck stop this HD CRT meme. they fucking lag like any other modern TV. stop. just. stop.

[Anonymous No.3425198]

>>3425180
Wat?
Who's talking bout HD CRTs?

[Anonymous No.3425212]

>>3424910
>I live in Jacksonville so realistically I should be able to locate one without a ridiculous amount of effort

There's a namefag here called "Anonymous of Jacksonville" who does work for the broadcast industry and has a crapload of PVM and BVM monitors.

I'd give him a shout when he rears his head.

[Anonymous No.3425224]

>>3425198
fuck you, lets talk about HD CRTs and how SHITTY they are

[Anonymous No.3425231]

>>3419679
what crt is that, looks nice

[Anonymous No.3425253]

some dude near me is selling a Sony KV-20S40 for 20 dollars but lives kinda far (2 hour drive), should I cop anyways? Idk much about Sony KV-20S40's

[Anonymous No.3425271]

>>3425231
PVM-20M2MDU

[Anonymous No.3425289]

>>3425180
>>3425198
>>3425224

KV-32FS12 outputs a maximum resolution of 480i, dipshit. as does fellow anon's KV-27FS120. WEGAs aren't HD CRTs, Hi-Scans are. do some research before you troll, faggot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

[Anonymous No.3425294]

>>3425289
are you fucking with me? where the fuck did I quote any discussion of WEGAs? Cant I just talk about HD CRTs in a CRT thread? faggot

[Anonymous No.3425334]

>>3425179

That's not my pic, but the guy said it was SNES through S-Video.

Mine isn't quite as nice as that, his seems to be better taken care of. The retron had my DSLR when I had it setup, currently it's in a closet while I move some stuff around. I'll take pics when I get it set back up.

I definitely recommend getting a Nintendo S-video cable, it'll work for SNES, N64, and Gamecube and is the best low-hassle, cheap(ish) solution for connecting all three to consumer sets. I wasn't satisfied with any of the third-party ones, so I imported one of the first-party Nintendo ones from Japan (~$35). Worth it.

I'd still casually keep an eye out for a good 13" or 20" PVM/BVM etc for your one player needs. "Anonymous of Jacksonville" has a whole storage unit full of them and he might be amenable to selling one. Make sure to have a couple hundred dollars in cash at the ready though, depending on how close to ebay/free market value he'd want for one. Go have a look at ebay "sold listings" to get a feel for what the particular models go for.

[Anonymous No.3425336]

>>3425271

Black level looks excellent. Did you calibrate it yourself or did it come like that?

[Anonymous No.3425339]

>>3425336
Myself. It's not too difficult.

[Anonymous No.3425346]

>>3425294
you said
>stop this HD CRT meme
we were never talking about HD CRT meme in the first place.
Stop implies we were doing something in the first place.

fucking moron

[Anonymous No.3425347]

>>3425339

Did you use a probe, or just eyeball it? How about convergence?

Any links to a guide you used? Looks fucking great

[Anonymous No.3425349]

>>3425346
stop

[Anonymous No.3425356]

>>3425347
I just eyeballed everything. My CRT has some geometry issues which can't seem to be fixed through the service menu, which is kind've annoying, but it's not too bad. I'd like to get a professional to really fixed it up for me but like that'll ever happen lel.

[Anonymous No.3425362]

>>3425347
There is absolutely nothing hard about 'calibrating' a crt

doesnt even deserve to be called 'calibrating'

[Anonymous No.3425365]

>>3425346
stop

[Anonymous No.3425382]

>>3425362

Eh, it's usually pretty easy to pull something horrible >>3424984 or bad >>3425032 into decent shape. Going the last 10% and getting H and V linearity, gain/bias, and convergence all perfect is a major pain in the ass.

Sure, "calibrating" meaning just playing with the service menu is easy as fuck. Dealing with the rings is another matter.

[Anonymous No.3425440]

>>3424991
How are you so fucking stupid so consistently

[Anonymous No.3425451]

>>3425440
Y-you too

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3425556]

>>3424346
Gotta love Tekyard.

[Anonymous No.3425704]

>>3425556
They've been sending me indecipherable emails ever since I bought my PVM from them, haha.

[Anonymous No.3425743]

>>3425382
The rings are ok, it's the fucking convergence strips i have a problem with. From high-TVL PVMs all the way down to arcade tubes, I can't make the fuckers do anything. Not a fucking thing. I find you need at least disc-shape fridge-magnets to do anything noticeable. No idea if that's due to older sets of what.

[Anonymous No.3426093]

Computer CRT monitors can have resolutions up to 2048X1536.

If I get such a monitor and set it to 640X480 for old windows games will there be scanlines because the raster beam is small (designed for high res) or will the monitor adjust the raster beam larger to avoid scanlines?

[Anonymous No.3426276]

>>3426093
If my IBM P260 is anything to go by you'll get scanlines but they'll be too fine to notice at normal viewing distances

[Anonymous No.3426395]

How can I enter the service menu of a samsung TV if I don't have the original remote?
Does a generic remote work?

[Anonymous No.3426397]

So, I picked up a BVM-20F1E for 10 britbucks today

[Anonymous No.3426407]

>>3426093
Sometimes PC graphics cards will draw each scanline twice on the lower resolutions to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.3426609]

>>3426397

>So,

haha, upvoted my friend!

[Anonymous No.3426620]

>>3426093
640x480 on an FW900

[Anonymous No.3426624]

>>3426093

My PVM-20L5 has small but noticeable scanlines when used at 640x480.

It looks really nice, they go in the spaces that would normally be bilinear blur on an LCD panel so it adds a sort of fake sharpness.

[Anonymous No.3426692]

>>3426609

>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.3426850]

>>3426397
Everything turned out nicely following a quick tweak

[Anonymous No.3426858]

>>3426850

[Anonymous No.3426863]

>>3426858
Obligatory arty shot

[Anonymous No.3426865]

>>3426863

[Anonymous No.3426870]

>>3426865
Aaaand back to Contra HC

[Anonymous No.3426931]

>>3426865

Not a fan of 1000 lines but I have to admit this monitor has the least glow of any CRT I've seen

[Anonymous No.3426956]

>>3426931
It's 900tvl. The 20E1 is 1000 and the 20G1 is 800. I have a couple of G1s too and they are very slightly nicer for 240p.

All in all not bad for a tenner and two hour round trip though. It has 90k hours on it but the tube and flyback are in excellent shape.

[Anonymous No.3427096]

There exist convex CRTs and flat CRTs.

Flat CRTs have less glare than convex CRTs.

Concave LCD TVs are popular right now amongst normies.

Are concave CRTs theoretically possible to create?

Would a concave CRT have more or less glare than a flat CRT?
Would a concave CRT have more or less focus, convergence, and focus issues than a flat CRT?

[Anonymous No.3427101]

>tfw just copped a snes with the original posters, manual, two controllers for 40 dollars cause mine broke last month randomly and I am too lazy to fix it and my old controller is rusted to shit
>tfw copped a PVM-1354Q for 90 bucks

did I do good, am I a retro gamer now?

[Anonymous No.3427121]

>>3427101
It's alright

I got my BVM for $70 the seller just had it listed as 'Sony Monitor' the other BVMs of the same kind on ebay were $400

[Anonymous No.3427126]

>>3427121
I honestly only got it cause it has the posters, it has the "you're playing with nintendo" poster or whatever and the super games poster.

Both prob worth 10 bucks on their own

[Anonymous No.3427704]

>>3427096
just my thoughts but concave would cause the edges to be further from the emitter than the center creating more issues id think.
Thats the reason for the original concave shape. to try and keep a radial distance between phosphors and the emitter.

Really old like 50s/60s CRTs maybe even older were almost spherical if i remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.3427710]

Anyone have a KV-13FM13? How is it for retro gaming?

Also, if given the space, would you go for 13" or 18"?

[Anonymous No.3427727]

>>3427710
18". While I don't know the size of my childhood CRT, I don't think these days I'd want to play on much less than a 20" for console games.

[Anonymous No.3427824]

>>3423501
Holmes I bought em all too, the good scart cables from that lady on ebay. Played FFX in RGB and beat it with that goofy left shifted image. Did comparisons between FFVII in s-video and in RGB and decided to play through it in s-video, played everything from that point on in s-video.

My older bro was bitchin about that Chocobo race just a few hours ago, I beat it with a fucking Gamestop controller thanks to my 2030

[Anonymous No.3427836]

just look at all this bullshit

[Anonymous No.3427906]

This is... interesting

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-CT-1386YD-Color-Video-Monitor-/172280404705

An actual NiB PVM

[Anonymous No.3427940]

>>3416640
Would an Xbone look like ass on a 1080i CRT?

[Anonymous No.3427953]

>>3427940
It will look fine, but worse than on an LCD.

[Anonymous No.3427964]

>>3427953
I'm cool with it not looking as good on an LCD. I just want to watch Netflix and reconnect with my XBL buddies on a comfy CRT.

[Anonymous No.3427971]

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/app/5722025805.html

2 cop or not 2 cop

[Anonymous No.3427978]

>>3427964
If it's all you have, then I guess that's what you'll have to settle for.
It's probably the worst option, though.

[Anonymous No.3427980]

>>3427978
So it is gonna look like ass?

[Anonymous No.3427983]

>>3418340
>FED/SED
Meh
Laser Beam Steering is where it's at
It's even commercially available on the form of Microvision's various Pico-Projectors, Celluon's PicoAir Projector and Sony's MPCL-1(which is based on the former)...but sadly not in TV's/Monitors yet

It even has improvements over the CRT such as no Phosphor Decay(due to no Phosphor) and Zero Persistence Blur

[Anonymous No.3427993]

>>3427980
It's going to:
-Have nice colors
-Depending on the condition of the tube, have nice blacks
-Have good motion quality
-The picture will be slightly the wrong shape unless you can fine-tune the geometry
-Be slightly blurrier than an LCD
-Lag about as much an a decent LCD TV

Do you have the TV, or are you looking to buy it? I wouldn't recommend buying it.

[Anonymous No.3427995]

>>3427993
I'm gonna buy it for $15 on Craigslist.

[Anonymous No.3428016]

>>3427993
pls answer me since ur the only one in here

>>3427971


I only ask cause its a 2 hour drive

[Anonymous No.3428030]

>>3428016
I think it's composite only. So probably not.
Try searching "trinitron" instead of "crt"

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3428031]

>>3425704
There are worse fates.

>>3427983
While quite a nice technology, it doesn't really fit the question I was answering. Rather, a different approach to a raster based display.

>>3427995
Are you even sure it's actually an HD WEGA? What is the model number?

>>3428016
I personally wouldn't think that'd be worth a 2 hour drive, much less if that's just one way.

If it's in good condition, it'd be a nice little set, but I'd honestly try to find a similar vintage set with at least S-Video if you're going to go on that long of a drive.

[Anonymous No.3428098]

>>3428031
It says WEGA on it and it looks like it has a 1080i sticker on it. Pretty sure its an HD WEGA.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3428224]

>>3428098
The WEGA logo in the corner doesn't explicitly mean it's HD. There are SD sets that have it there as well.

And the only thing I can make out from the bottom left is the Trinitron logo. Aside from that, the stuff below it looks like it could be either SRS or WOW, both of which are Surround Sound related and not indicative of whether it's an SD or HD set.

Ask the seller for the model number.

[Anonymous No.3428290]

>>3428031
>it doesn't really fit the question I was answering.
It deserves far more to be called "The CRT Successor" than either FED or SED do considering it's not fixed-pixel

End of discussion

[Anonymous No.3428720]

>>3427710

18", no doubt.

I looked it up, and the 13" consumer Trinitrons are only like an inch shorter than the 13"/14" PVMs. There's not too much reason other than cost to buy a 13-20" consumer trini instead of a PVM.

It's worth it to buy consumer 5-9" because the PVMs are fucking deep in relation to screen size, and >20" consumer trinis are worth it since the only PVMs that big are old as fuck (mid 80s), the 24" BVM is still only ~20" when displaying 4:3, and the 32" BVM is expensive as fuck (~$4k). They made consumer 27"+ 480i sets well into the mid 2000s.

I have a couple 12-14" monitors that look nice, but they aren't near as comfy as my 20" and 27" sets that you can actually lean back in a recliner with.

[Anonymous No.3428880]

>>3427906

neat.

Composite and S-video only, can't seem to find any information on TVL or stripe pitch though.

If it had RGB out of the box, was 20", or wasn't $60 in shipping I'd probably cop it.

There's another guy on ebay with NIB GVM-2020's. I'm pretty happy with my 20L5 but the GVM will do 24 khz as well as 15/31

[Anonymous No.3428954]

Any of you guys use Extron Matrix switches? I wired up a sync stripper on my ps1 cable and for some reason it still won't detect the sync. It works when I go straight to my pvm.

[Anonymous No.3428967]

>>3428954
>Extron
You fell for the extron meme.

[Anonymous No.3428968]

>>3428954

I wanted to add that I could have sworn that it worked before, but I recently got my PSIO in and the chip that you have to solder to the board also requires 5v so I don't know if that is fucking with the stripper or not. Would it?

[Anonymous No.3428974]

>>3428967

I have 12 systems hooked up via RGB/composite, go fuck yorself.

[Anonymous No.3429049]

>>3428967
Shut up please. I use 5 Extron switchers, you propably use cheap customer gear. Stop shitting on something you don't have a clue about.

[Anonymous No.3429061]

>>3428974
>>3429049

[Anonymous No.3429078]

>>3429061

[Anonymous No.3429149]

>>3429061
Fuckin kek

[Anonymous No.3429151]

>>3428954
To combat this, didnt have a sync stripper, I used another input and used the rgb board for the sync and it handled the signal without an issue.
But since now there are 2 seperate sync outputs and the BVM only has the one sync input I had to use a Y connector to run both into it.
Just dont run multiple systems at the same time and it works no issue.

[Anonymous No.3429152]

Is the B&O MX4002 good for retro console gaming?

[Anonymous No.3429475]

>>3429152
Yes.

[Anonymous No.3429594]

>>3428974
>>3429049
Shills detected.

[Anonymous No.3429687]

>>3427836
Welcome to that large size pvm life. 2530 here. My setup looked like that til I got an AV switcher just for audio

[Anonymous No.3429703]

>Just got an email from an engineer at one of the broadcasting companies I emailed
>Has two "top of the line" Ikegami monitors still sitting around he'd be willing to let me have
Holy fuck, I really didn't expect anyone to respond.

[Anonymous No.3429726]

is a Sony KV-32S42 any good? its a white model and i dont see any of those around any more. should i pick it up?

[Anonymous No.3429732]

>>3429703
Is he selling or giving away?

[Anonymous No.3429740]

>>3429732
Don't know yet. He said he'd email me back with the model numbers when he got home from work. I asked him if he was looking to give them away or sell them, so I guess we'll see.

[Anonymous No.3429781]

>>3429703
Good luck anon

[Anonymous No.3430096]

This fucking hurt so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B3vfqvrlhw

[Anonymous No.3430296]

I have heard that RGB SCART oversaturates the chroma causing all games to look like Super Mario 64 (toddler games loaded with primary colors).

S-video on the other hand, I am told, gives games a subdued nuanced palette appreciated by those refined in manner.


Are these statements accurate?

[Anonymous No.3430312]

Fucking hell /crt I'm so fucking pissed.

>Listing on craigslist for 9 FREE 21" JVC Broadcast Monitors
>Were used for an art installation
>Only go up to S-Video, still worth it
>Wanna pick one up
>Respond to listing
>Week later, no response
>Email them again today
>Listing is removed soon after

Fucking hell, why can I never get a deal? There's no way they got rid of 9 giant TVs like that. What do I do? I still have the address cause I looked it up in Google Maps. Should I get their number and call or something? I was praying my CRT needs would be fulfilled and just like that my only hope vanishes.

[Anonymous No.3430317]

>>3430312
you would be surprised how fast craigslist stuff goes these days. It was a little slower before but now it goes fast. Dont worry you will find other deals later on.

[Anonymous No.3430338]

>>3430317
Okay, I get things go quick but I found the listing 3 days after it was posted and still up. If it was one or two monitors I would believe it but NINE whole monitors disappear that quickly? If they responded saying "Sorry they're gone" I would at least have some closure. I just feel like I missed out big time, nothing will ever beat a free broadcast monitor.

[Anonymous No.3430352]

>>3430338

My impression is that if you are pursuing something that anybody in your area might want, you need to be checking craigslist constantly. There are people who just sit around waiting to find stuff to flip - I'd not be surprised if some of those show up again but with prices.

Also, you never know what will show up. I know I found a great monitor on my nearby craigslist listings (I'm in Texas) a couple years ago. Stuff shows up when you least expect it. Just check several times a day and try to be patient.


>>3430296

Stop. If you prefer S-Video, that's fine. Use it, but as the song goes, don't be a dick about it.

[Anonymous No.3430359]

Germanons, where did you get your CRT?
I'm having a hard time to find a nice CRT on ebay/ebay Kleinanzeigen (either too far away thanks to no car or too expensive for my taste).
Any alternative to that?

[Anonymous No.3430360]

>>3430296
RGB over coaxial + BNC is god-tier.
RGB over SCAR if a mess with innacurate colors, audio buzz, lost sync signals, and interference.

[Anonymous No.3430369]

>>3430360
What about SCART with individually shielded signal wires?
And what's the best route for rgb over individual coaxial cables that doesn't involve console drilling?

[Anonymous No.3430492]

Just bought used Wii with component cable but my tv only got scart input (Europe). Should I just get official Wii scart cable or look for an adapter from 5x component to scart, which I cant seem to find? Is there a difference?

[Anonymous No.3430516]

>>3430492
Pic related would be what I need, but I only found this in Aus shop ehich doesn't ship worldwide

[Anonymous No.3430517]

>>3430096
Eh it looked like a pos anyway.

[Anonymous No.3430523]

>>3430296
Ik this is a joke, but I pretty much agree.

i'm used to composite and s-video so naturally i prefer that 'palette'

[Anonymous No.3430526]

>>3430492
>>3430516
Who knows if that chinese shit transcodes. Yes you need an official wii scart cable.

I honestly think you're retarded to have to ask.

[Anonymous No.3430531]

>>3430526
retrorgb.com said its okay to buy an adapter

But I think Im gonna get official anyway since they are at least avaible on aliexpress

[Anonymous No.3430563]

>>3430096
Could he not have just used a sledgehammer, why did he have to be so autistic?

[Anonymous No.3430794]

>>3430096

there we go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVsTZ4M5smg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLqTSUI-NdU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3OlkwESmYM


How does that fell anon ?

[Anonymous No.3430989]

>>3430794
What a faget. At least the edger guy made an effort

If I want to watch a child throwing things around I can do that at home

[Anonymous No.3431000]

>>3430794
He kinds reminds me of Eric and Dylan in the first video.

[Anonymous No.3431030]

>>3423867
The 1st party component are better than a lot of the 3rd party.

[Anonymous No.3431032]

>>3424495
Try editing houses and film equipment warehouses. Thats where I got mine, but I know people who work at both.

[Anonymous No.3431035]

>>3424909
Unfortunately the latter because geometry issues will drive you insane.

[Anonymous No.3431040]

>>3425253
I dont either but just google it, if you dont have a PVM and it has RGB id say go for it.

[Anonymous No.3431272]

Does component work for 240p as well. I think I remember hearing something about it only being compatible with 480i.

[Anonymous No.3431279]

>>3431272
>Does component work for 240p as well
yes

[Anonymous No.3431351]

>>3431000

He's also a furry, it looks like.

[Anonymous No.3431364]

Just found an old samsung 27" on the side of the road. Everything is working well except the picture seems a little blurry to me, like just slightly out of focus. Is this something I can adjust from the service menu or am I going to have to open this up and electrocute myself? Also in the regular options menu, sharpness adjustment says not available.

[Anonymous No.3431416]

>>3431364
Take a pic.

[Anonymous No.3431429]

>>3430369
getting or scavenging a multi out. for nes you can use a n64 rf adapter or on any console you can run a short run of multi coax sub-mini to a rf connector or some sort of small enclosure. You don't need resistors with proper 75ohm coax.

[Anonymous No.3431441]

>>3431364
Every CRT ive seen has a 'focus' knob inside it.
You don't have to do anything but take the back off and twist the knob while its on.
While examining the image of course.
Usually labeled Focus or F.

[Anonymous No.3431471]

>>3431416

[Anonymous No.3431472]

>>3431429
>You don't need resistors with proper 75ohm coax.
(ツ)

[Anonymous No.3431483]

>>3431364 here is there a universal guide for service menu codes or is by manufacturer? Some of these I've figured out through trial and error but as I just found out they save automatically

[Anonymous No.3431497]

do i have to be /fit/ to fuck around with a CRT?

[Anonymous No.3431508]

>>3431472
It's true you mong, you still need the caps but you don't need 75 ohm resistors on 75 ohm cable. gfy

>>3431483
>not writing down base settings before fiddling around

u dun goofed.

[Anonymous No.3431516]

>>3431441
If adjusting the focus knob doesn't help but affects the blurriness then the tube is worn out.

>>3431497
A little bit on the heavy ones which are bigger than 14".
A lot on sets exceeding 24" but it's always better to carry those with a another person than alone.

[Anonymous No.3431521]

>>3431497
you do for this one. Most ~27" are only ~100lb though, movable alone without too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.3431526]

>>3431508
>you still need the caps but you don't need 75 ohm resistors on 75 ohm cable. gfy

[Anonymous No.3431527]

>>3431508
you don't need 75 ohm resistors on 75 ohm cable.
(ツ)

[Anonymous No.3431591]

>>3431527
>>3431526
doesn't know the resistors are there to fake the proper resistance with 50 ohm shit cable and 30-40 ohm rca connectors. real cable and bnc doesn't need such fuckery. gb2school.

[Anonymous No.3431592]

Street Side Samsung here. Got the adjustments back to normal and found the focus knob. Made huge difference, then I barely touched the "Screen" knob and this is what's currently going on.

[Anonymous No.3431624]

>>3431591
>gb2school
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

[Anonymous No.3431630]

>>3431592
>I barely touched the "Screen" knob and this is what's currently going on.
Turn it back to where it was.

[Anonymous No.3431631]

>>3431592
Turn the Screen knob. Turn it into the direction that makes the retrace lines appear (what you're seeing right now) then into the other direction till the retrace lines fully disappear, don't turn any more after that.

[Anonymous No.3431632]

>>3431592 again

fiddled around and got picture back

[Anonymous No.3431646]

Everything is looking a lot better than before but it looks like the corner purity and some other geometry is off. I guess I'll fiddle around in the OSD some more. Trying to find actual info is impossible has anyone bought a service manual pdf before?

[Anonymous No.3431653]

>>3431646
The corner purity may fix itself after the set degausses a few times. It usually happens after you move the TV so that it faces in another direction.

[Anonymous No.3431732]

whats the best way to connect my laptop to my tv, laptop has s-video out so i thought it be easy. but tv has two scart and one rca, i plugged s video into the scarts but got nothing, would the rca slot work?

[Anonymous No.3431772]

>>3431646
Degauss the set a few times with turning on and off or if there's a setting, otherwise getting a strong magnet and fiddling around usually helps my purity issues.

[Anonymous No.3431815]

>>3431732

Does your laptop have a VGA out?

It takes some messing with, but you might be able to get it to output 240p then use an adapter to go from VGA to SCART

[Anonymous No.3431852]

>>3430096

YEA !

give her shit !

[Anonymous No.3431873]

>>3431815
it does bur i figured s video be easier

[Anonymous No.3431887]

>>3431815
>>3431873
Or would a cable like this just wurk?

[Anonymous No.3431913]

>>3427096
you'd get massive issues. In any colour CRT, the electron guns draw a straight line from the neck to the phosphor coating of the front glass, and in doing so, go *through* the mask of grid that isolates the colours. Those slits are aligned so that only the right colour can go through the right hole. Flat CRT's make this more complicated, the grid or mask had to be even more delicate, and magnified problems with geometry and convergence about fivefold. A convex CRT would blow things out even further. Think of the mask of grid on the inside of the screen, and what the angles in it would have to be like so that only the blue gun could go through the blue holes. Warping the screen further that way, the apertures would have to be soooo narrow. It could be done, but it would never have been economical to do so.

[Anonymous No.3431918]

Anyone know best quality for original Xbox? I know VGA is possible through a transcoder, but Ive heard mixed things about quality. Ive heard the component boxes are shit. Is there a solid 3rd party cable?

[Anonymous No.3431920]

>>3431918
>Ive heard the component boxes are shit.
The xbox supports component natively.

[Anonymous No.3431928]

Found this TV on the street, Is it worth it for me to hunt down a remote so that I can change things in the service menu? As you can see the overscan is pretty bad and the bottom right corner is off compared to the rest, like it's rotated.

[Anonymous No.3431932]

>>3431624
This.

>>3431591
>doesn't know the resistors are there to fake the proper resistance with 50 ohm shit cable and 30-40 ohm rca connectors. real cable and bnc doesn't need such fuckery.
whatthefuckamireading.jpg

>>3431873
S-video out from a laptop is garbage, and to be avoided at all costs.

>>3431887
Only if you get the PC to output 15kHz (low res modes like 240p/480i) and the cable combines the sync lines right. If you're not good with linux, and neither are most of us, look into crt_emudriver. That's by far the easiest way to go. Then figure out your cabling.

[Anonymous No.3431934]

>>3431030
lol no

they're exactly the same

[Anonymous No.3431936]

>>3431928
Also, it's a 27" AV-2750. I coulnd't find any service manuals online

[Anonymous No.3431940]

>>3431936
Actually, AV-27050. Whoops

[Anonymous No.3431943]

>>3431928
>>3431936
>>3431940
If you don't have a universal remote, you may be able to use the QR Remote app on a smart phone to access it. I have done so in the past.

I have fun messing with the settings of even the crappy CRTs I find.

[Anonymous No.3431945]

>>3431943
Why, oh why did Samsung have to remove the IR Blaster from the S7
How cheap are universal remotes?

[Anonymous No.3431953]

>>3431945
I think I picked up a cheapie at Target for like $7 a few years ago. This was before I accumulated like 4 that came with CRTs I picked up off CL. You can probably find one at the goodwill for dirt cheap. Bring batteries and test the remote on the TVs they have on display.

[Anonymous No.3431957]

>>3431932
>Only if you get the PC to output 15kHz (low res modes like 240p/480i) and the cable combines the sync lines right. If you're not good with linux, and neither are most of us, look into crt_emudriver. That's by far the easiest way to go. Then figure out your cabling.

I downloaed and installed the drivers, they ran, but now need to hook it up somehow. I have a feeling cheap cables from ebay wont work

[Anonymous No.3431958]

>>3431918
>component boxes are shit
Either you got trolled hard or you're unnaturally stupid. Xbox supports component cables natively. The HD AV pack lets you also add 5.1 optical surround sound and it's dope as hell. The vast majority of Xbox games support 480p 16:9 (even if they don't say so on the box), a bunch support 720p, and some are even 1080i. Surround sound on the Xbox is cool as shit. I highly recommend it.

[Anonymous No.3431970]

>>3431920
>>3431958
Sorry, first Xbox. I meant the HD AV pack when I said component box. Ive heard they have poor shielding.

[Anonymous No.3431974]

>>3431953
Looks like Target has some cheap ones. Apparently my TV uses the Video Status button in it's service code, is this called something else these days? Cause none of the remotes I see have it

[Anonymous No.3431995]

>>3431970
Oh no worries man. Empty insults against a person's intelligence is just the traditional 4chan greeting. I don't actually think you're stupid. Haha. But you've got nothing to worry about, the HD AV pack looks 100% identical to regular component cables. I recently made the switch so that I could use surround sound and it's absolutely identical. I'm a graphic designer, so I'm a huge dork about this stuff. I have a very well trained eye for better or for wors, and I can assure you they're identical. So grab some component cables and get your Jet Set Radio Future on! Or Phantom Dust, or Panzer Dragoon Orta, or one of a great many awesome racing sims.

[Anonymous No.3432084]

>>3431624
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching
it is matched as the console outputs are 75 ohm, the termination on the monitor/display is 75 ohm and the cabling itself is also guess what? 75 ohm. You don't need to match a resistance value that is already there. a good coax scart cable has guess what? no resistors to gnd. good coax a/v cables also have no resistors because they weren't built with garbage components.

good cable only needs caps on some consoles to brighten the image or none if an rgb amp is used.

TL;DR there is no variation between console> 75 ohm coax+bnc>75ohm terminated display. the impendence is already matched fgt

[Anonymous No.3432142]

Hey /crt/ i have someone local selling a PVM 20L2 with an adaptor card for $200 CAN. Good deal? They had a PVM 20L5 but that got sold quick.

[Anonymous No.3432145]

Is there a guide on the correct way to make changes in the service menu?

[Anonymous No.3432152]

>>3432145
Not really as it varies from TV to TV.

Just fuck sake, make sure you write down what the initial settings are in case you fuck it up.

[Anonymous No.3432165]

>>3432084
>it is matched as the console outputs are 75 ohm
And the console outputs are 75 Ohms precisely because there are 75 Ohm resistors at the outputs of the decoder. This is because the output of the video amps are typically of low impedance.
If the console does not have resistors between the decoder and the AV connector, like the Genesis, you have to put the resistors somewhere in the path, regardless of cable type.

>TL;DR there is no variation between console> 75 ohm coax+bnc>75ohm terminated display. the impendence is already matched fgt
This is not always the case. If resistors are needed, a 75 Ohm coaxial cable does not make them unneeded.

[Anonymous No.3432168]

>>3432145
>Is there a guide on the correct way to make changes in the service menu?
The service manual for your TV model should have one.

[Anonymous No.3432173]

>>3432165
>decoder
Encoder, I mean.

[Anonymous No.3432230]

>>3432142
That seems very pricy to me anon

[Anonymous No.3432247]

>>3432142

That's acceptably priced, if it's in great shape.

People here will say it's "expensive", remembering the PVM-1913 they scored back in 2013 or the one they got last month from a "guy who knows a guy". Free market prices (venues open to the public) are much higher.

It's really a question of how patient you're willing to be and do you have the willingness to cold-call broadcasting studios and hospitals etc.

[Anonymous No.3432260]

Does this cable support component AND composite?
Is this just false advertising?

https://www.amazon.com/Component-Premium-Resolution-PlayStation-Console-3/dp/B01B1BMH7A/

[Anonymous No.3432281]

>>3432260
The PS2 supports both composite and component so yes, it's likely it is legit.
However, when using 480p mode, output from composite and s-video will be disabled.

[Anonymous No.3432301]

>>3416640
honestly, fuck PVMs

Those presentation monitors are my grail.

[Anonymous No.3432318]

>>3432260
looks like it will do both. I didn't know that about the PS2 (>>3432281) but otherwise, it's also an RGB cable, because in RGB "mode" for the PS1, 2 & 3, the composite video line still runs.

[Anonymous No.3432331]

>>3431957
We are talking for an RGB monitor/TV here, right? SCART being one form of RGB socket...

Normally a VGA-5BNC, then a BNC-SCART will do. But check how and if the sync is combined. For a PVM you can often get away with a simple T-joiner for the first cable. Otherwise, for SCART, see what you can find out about the cables.

[Anonymous No.3432343]

>>3432318
Another strange thing, instead of being the component colors, the cables are actually red green and blue. Is this the answer to the anti-scart fuckers?

>>3432331
This is the UMSA, takes RGBHV and outputs RGBS if im not mistaken.

[Anonymous No.3432352]

Consistently impressed by GameCube gameboy player over S-video.

[Anonymous No.3432357]

>>3432343
>instead of being the component colors, the cables are actually red green and blue
Have you never seen a component cable before?

[Anonymous No.3432358]

>>3432352
Using gameboy inferface?

[Anonymous No.3432361]

>>3432357
>>3432343

I'm a retard lol

I think this means I need sleep.

[Anonymous No.3432364]

>>3432352
Slot masks look pretty ugly close up, but I think theyre one of the best for long distance viewing.

[Anonymous No.3432408]

>>3432358
Yup. Love it to death.

[Anonymous No.3432420]

>>3432168
There is none for mine, at least on the internet.

[Anonymous No.3432491]

I know it isn't /vr/ what's up with consoles like GC, PS2 and Xbox only allowed 480p or higher resolutions with Component cables? Wouldn't higher resolutions benefit S-Video/Composite or is there a technological reason?

[Anonymous No.3432537]

>>3432491
>or is there a technological reason?
Those signals do not have the bandwidth for higher resolutions. No device can send or receive a higher resolutions with those signals, not just those consoles.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.3432541]

>>3432318
>the composite video line still runs.
Until it switches into Progressive scan mode, in which case it'll do the same thing as in Component mode; Rely on embedded sync, that is to say RGsB.

>>3432364
We need to go closer.

>>3432352
The Gamecube in general just has really good quality video output, be it composite or s-video.

[Anonymous No.3432582]

>>3432537

pedantry:

Those *standards* do not mandate the bandwidth needed for higher resolutions.

It would be possible to make say your own 720p composite signal, which would be the easy part. The hard part would be getting other people to accept the spec, namely TV manufacturers. 15khz sync rate was the dominant television standard for like 60+ years, and 99.99% of consumer sets couldn't sync any faster anyways so there was a lot of inertia there.

As it went down, people decided it would be better to just make a "fresh start". Since they got a do-over, there was no need to deal with the chroma subsampling you get from composite and s-vid, so they went with three full bandwidth channels worth of chroma. There's nothing to say they couldn't have made "hi-def" composite or s-video.

Dealing with "why americlaps got YsPbPr instead of RGBS or RGBHV" is another matter entirely. I'm pretty sure it has to do with how DVDs encode data internally.

[Anonymous No.3432660]

>>3432582
Of course hi-def composite would have looked like shit, but that's beside the point.

[Anonymous No.3432929]

>>3431934
I've had both. I'm sure there are tons of 3rd party cables but mine were weaker physically and more prone to signal noise. 1st party, which I got for $10, work fine.

[Anonymous No.3432934]

>>3432491
S-video and composite use NTSC color encoding, which is very specifically designed for 15KHz video. You can't just use the same color encoding for 30KHz sources; you'd have to change the color subcarrier frequency to get more chroma resolution and the TV decoding the signal would need a dedicated decoder for it. NTSC is basically a hack, anyway, for putting color information in a one-dimensional, black-and-white signal. There's no reason to use it for video game consoles except that TVs support it.

[Anonymous No.3433114]

>>3430360
I've never experienced any of those, except audio buzz, with SCART. No matter how crappy the cable.

[Anonymous No.3433129]

>>3418176
Is there a way to hack the PS2 network adapter into using SD cards?

They last longer than hard drives.

[Anonymous No.3433136]

Display port to VGA? Does it work?

[Anonymous No.3433150]

>>3421890
>>3421906
6500k is the correct option for NTSC though.

[Anonymous No.3433151]

>>3433114
Do all scart cables have audio buzz or just the cheap ones?

What about JP21 scart? Does it have quality issues?

What about D-terminal compared to separate component video? Does it have problems from the wires being too close to together?

[Anonymous No.3433167]

>>3430360
How would you get that?

[Anonymous No.3433209]

>>3421890
>>3421906
Leave it on warm for one play session (45min+) so your eyes will adjust to it.
Going back to neutral will look off and cool will look frozen.

[Anonymous No.3433248]

>>3429152
I watched some reviews of Bang & Olufsen CRTs from the Beovision series. The MX 4000 series seems to have some for retro gaming while later ones like the 7000 series had better sound. The MX8000 series however seems to have some problems because those are probably HD CRTs.

My family had a B&O Beovision TV back in the 90s and we used that till 2003 or something. Every console game looked on it, even NES ones. I can't remember if ours supported it but I believe most B&O CRTs support both PAL and NTSC.

I'm not sure if what those reviewers say about them can be trusted as I don't try to trust my memories too much but I really gotta grab one of those again.

If you can get one for less than 80 bucks then I would personally say get it. Keep in mind however that those TVs are VERY heavy, especially if you want to keep it on the second floor or higher.

[Anonymous No.3433265]

I was trying to degauss my CRT with a magnet and now there's some weird yellow tint and the bottom of it
It takes about half the screen and it's round

It looks like a piss stain

[Anonymous No.3433272]

>>3433265
>I was trying to degauss my CRT with a magnet
Don't do that. Seriously. Never do that. Even if you think you did it it will bring up colored auras every now and then

[Anonymous No.3433275]

>>3433129
I suppose you could use something like pic related but I pretty much guarantee it would run like shit and be expensive for any usable capacity.

Also:
>They last longer than hard drives

LOLTHEFUCKNO

[Anonymous No.3433278]

>>3433167
Solder it together yourself

Ik utterly retarded right?

[Anonymous No.3433283]

>>3433275
Well they will last longer than IDE hard drive is what I meant.

[Anonymous No.3433291]

>>3433283
Don't use an IDE drive then, go SATA. SSD if you *really* can't stand spinning rust.

If a numpty like me can figure out how to do it, anyone can.

[Anonymous No.3433294]

13 inch or 20 inch

[Anonymous No.3433312]

>>3433272
Can I fix it tho?

[Anonymous No.3433314]

>>3433294
13 inches is good enough for S-Video
20 inches if good enough for Component

[Anonymous No.3433323]

>>3433314
>s-video is bad meme
I fucking despise this elitist bullshit thread.

[Anonymous No.3433324]

>>3433312
You might well have permanently deformed the shadow mask / aperture grille...

In which case it's game over for that CRT

[Anonymous No.3433330]

>>3433248
MX4000 are light as fuck

[Anonymous No.3433335]

>>3433312
get a degauss coil/wand
>>3433324
not likely

[Anonymous No.3433374]

what model is this lads, worth anything? I'm not familiar with this

[Anonymous No.3433380]

>>3433278
Oh, I didn't know you meant just coaxial BNC cables.

[Anonymous No.3433382]

>>3433374
It's a Trinitron.

[Anonymous No.3433384]

>>3433382
Pls.

[Anonymous No.3433387]

how do we feel about samsung

the Samsung Sam-14Mv looks nice

[Anonymous No.3433409]

>>3433323
You're in a thread of CRT visual appreciation, what the fuck do you expect. Go to a hi-fi /mu/ thread and complain that no one likes your cassettes.

[Anonymous No.3433413]

>>3433374
Are we just gonna not talk about the reflection in that photo?

[Anonymous No.3433416]

>>3433314
You will not find a 13 inch set with s-video, ever.

[Anonymous No.3433424]

>>3433416
is this bait

[Anonymous No.3433425]

Hope this thread is not dying, because I'm sure someone here could help me.

What is the best way to connect / config a Raspberry Pi to use with a PVM? I've heard about HDMI to RGB converters, but I guess you still need to make some changes to emulator or Raspberry Pi settings to get the correct resolution and scanlines?

[Anonymous No.3433427]

>>3433413
FUCK YEAH SHADOW PUPPETS!!!

[Anonymous No.3433429]

>>3433409
Actually Type II or higher casettes with Dolby sound pretty good...
Problem is almost nobody used them/it.

[Anonymous No.3433430]

>>3433416
lolmurricans

[Anonymous No.3433434]

>>3433416
My 14 inches TV has S-Video and Component

>>3433323
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying that S-Video is optimal on 13 inches.

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>>3433429
I used SA/MA90s exclusively for over 20 years and so did most of my mates

Also, dolby is ass

[Anonymous No.3433489]

So I'm on vacation, and going without my CRT is pretty hard. I saw a pair of these at the dollar store, and was wondering if they would make my laptop's screen look like it has scanlines for when I play retro games with an emulator.

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>>3433489

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>>3433434
My travel/desk set has S-Video, Composite and ypbpr at 14". Based Toshiba

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>>3433489
I don't even remember which thread I made this joke in yesterday.

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>>3433413
LONDON

[Anonymous No.3433560]

/crt/

which one of these would you guys rec me getting as my new crt

Sam-14Mv
sony trinitron kv-1370r
KV-13M31
Kv 13fm12

I'm thinking KV-1370r


theres no sony pvms in my area, to my awareness

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>>3433560
>KV-1370r
I'd pick that one up without thinking twice about it

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>>3433594
I gotta wait for the guy to respond back, it's been like a week, losing hope but we have to pray for me anon...

the other three are ready to be bought but im holding out for a few more days

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>>3433560
get the samsung for sweet svideo

[Anonymous No.3433626]

Hey, >>3424226 here again

Filed a Paypal dispute with the seller and Pitney Bowes, hopefully I'll get a full refund. At this point I'm probably just gonna save up for a Framemeister so my SCART cables I bought don't go to waste, and get a decent Trinitron to replace the shitty Panasonic CT-20SX11CE I got from my sister. I wanna get something with Component and 480p support so I can hook up the PS2/Xbox to it, I've heard people bitch about lag on ones like those but is it really as bad as people say?

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>>3433626
I want to hug you anon (:

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>>3433626
Honestly, most Xbox games are going to look better over component on a modern display. The vast majority of the library supports 480p, 16:9, and 5.1. 720p support is more common than you'd think as well, and looks incredible. And some games support 1080i too! As for the PS2, almost everything is 480i and 4:3 with only stereo or "simulated" surround, so you'd want an FV300 or 310 Trinitron. 480i, 4:3, speakers that are far better than they have any right to be, component/s-video/composite with a great 3D comb filter, and fucking astounding picture quality.

[Anonymous No.3433704]

New bread
>New bread
>>3433697

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>>3423153
Video games have no standard. Keep in mind that these video games were developed on computer monitors (aka 9300K)

[Anonymous No.3433909]

Anyone have a 600 vs 800 line comparison?

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>>3416640
that image looks incredibly clean

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>>3433416

they made a shitload of pvms with s-vid

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>>3430096
That's horrific but at the same time I had no idea the glass on CRTs was so durable.

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>>3433374
pretty hot.